Attack on Titan - Reaction - S4E20 - Memories of the Future
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Zeke: Our father traumatized me.
Eren: I traumatized our father.
Grisha is too weak.
@@SasukeUchiha21072011 normal*
And his grandfather lmao
also eren: I traumatized my father so that i can traumatize myself.
@@SasukeUchiha21072011 of course it’s a virgin with a sasuke profile pic
15:23 in the manga on literally chapter 1 when grisha tells eren he’ll show him the basement when he’s back, the panel has him not facing eren at all looking completely away as his eyes are darkened looking at something, or someone outside the door. Maddening storytelling by isayama.
Eren told Isayama to draw the scene like that
damn WIT really fumbled the bag with that scene.
@@slice768 you can't blame them. There was supposed to be only one seasom for AoT, and they couldn't know that this exact scene will be relevant 10 years later. But even when you rewatch the scene, the scene isn't bad at all, grisha still loked "scared" in that scene
Bad* story telling. That wasn’t planned Isayama changed the ending last minute.
@@AstroReviews erehisu spoted
3:40 Gabi got the gun from Colt. He was carrying it in the past few episodes. After he died (RIP) the gun was still there. They mentioned it as a anti-titan riffle.
Yeah, the weapon was explained in the beginning of season 4, then steadily and silently through the season, as well as showing it while Gabi was maturing through the current season. Colt had the anti-titan rifle, Gabi is snipe-queen(second to sasha (rip..)) and finally it's time for revelations
Yup... Colt was SEEN, still carrying that ANTI-TITAN rifle in THIS episode, when he was talking to Zeke.
Colt was carrying the Gun since Episode 1 of Part 2. Most reactors forget to pay attention in midst of their talks or else they would have caught that obvious gun being there all the time.
Gabi actually comments on it an episode before saying what is that bamboo thing or something and he mentions it's an anti titan rifle, before Nile brings Falco to them.
Grisha apologizing to Zeke had me bawling ;0;
The closure our little Z needed :'( -Sam
@@TheReactPack one big misconception i want to clear to guys is the show's True name is indeed Supposedly " THE ATTACK TITAN" which means it was meant to show us the story of attack titan and notice the fact the attack titan's Description explained by Eren Kruger that it fight for Freedom's sake and keep moving forward which is literally The Inherent nature of Eren yeager!! so the story was indeed about Eren Jaeger all along!!
Eren wasn't disgusted when he saw Grisha kill the Reiss, he was disgusted that after everything, Grisha was going to let them live and forego the mission.
nah i think he actually was disgusted when he first saw it being from rod reiss pov. It was the first time he actually saw the full memory from his dads pov so hearing what frieda said solidified it and then that's when he said "yk what dad? kill em" lmaoo
@@borderlessmedia6045 Nah first time he saw it is when he kissed Historia's hand. He told Zeke he saw that whole thing play out 4 years ago. That's why at some point going through the memories with Zeke, Eren was guiding Zeke, "Next memory, Zeke." He knew what was coming and what he was going to do.
That and grisha told zeke to stop him which eren treats this as his betrayal to the attack titan’s ideal
No, Eren was "disgusted" and shocked, that he saw his future self, telling his father in the past, to kill the Reiss family
@@celinho68 he was shocked at seeing himself, but he was disgusted at his fathers refusal.
I really like how they show that Eren is standing behind Grisha everytime Grisha is able to see Zeke. So he is basically seeing Zeke through Eren's eyes in the future being sent back to him as memories.
god damn it you're right and it bothers me to no end that I didn't pick up on that on my own
Yes, Eren is revealing Zeke to Grisha. I'm not sure exactly why tho.
@@halifaxx55 I don't think he's choosing to, simply by having the attack titan, Grisha will have glimpsed these memories from Eren's perspective right? I suppose Eren could have tried to keep Zeke out of his own field of view and never say his name aloud but that would probably make in depth conversations hard and annoying for no real gain.
@@richardohanlon3036 I think Eren was somehow able to pick and choose what memories Grisha saw, because Grisha says, "why won't you show me everything", and on that note, I think Eren was also responsible for the memories Kruger saw about Armin and Mikasa...and unlike other Attack Titan previous inheritors, Eren not only had the Founding Titan, at some point learned to use it's full power, so he defiled the rules of the AT's abilities, only seeing glimpses of the future inhertors' memories, but Eren became able to see whatever he wanted from any previous inheritors' memories and control what they can see or not...I think
@@richardohanlon3036 Grisha only sees what Eren chooses to show him.
Grisha's voice actor did a SPLENDED voice acting in this episode. I couldn't stop tearing up when he told those words to Zeke in the end cuz in the end, he was just an innocent regretful father.
Eren is not getting the memories from a future inheritor. His future self is sending memories back to Grisha, and present Eren is seeing those memories through Grisha’s memories. That’s why he reacted so strongly when he kissed Historia’s hand. He accessed all of Grisha’s memories, including the ones that were sent by his future self. So from that point forward, Eren has essentially known the future (not the entire future, but the parts of it that his future self thought he needed to know for events to go accordingly).
Everytime i watch this i remember s3 episode 6 or 7 when eren was captured by historia's dad in the uce castle place and he said
"I feel like ive been here before!"
He was litteraly there. Wow. Amazing writing and credits to isiyama
That animation on Grisha when he collapses/writhes in horror in what he's done is INCREDIBLE
Him screaming Eren’s name at the sky with that crazy music is just absolutely insane.
I heard that scene was animated by somebody who worked on Death Note
@@Zer-db1bp I can't wait till that one releases.
23:05 When Eren told Zeke that he was disgusted with what he saw his Father do, he used true words but for a totally different reason, everyone including Zeke thought he was talking about the fact that his Father killed everyone, including the children , but it's just the opposite, he felt disgusted with the Father for having been a "coward" at the time
Yeah it's Colt's gun, probably pulled it off his body.
I saw someone comment in another video that Eren Uno reversed daddy issues lmao
not the uno reverse D: -Sam
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story
On a serious note, it's really scary how Grisha, someone who was so anti-Marley and pro-Eldia, saw one glimpse of Eren's plan and was like, "Zeke. You have to stop him." Despite Grisha's hate for Marley and how far he was willing to go, even HE thought his plan was too far. He was genuinely horrified. Whatever Eren's plan is, Grisha does not want it to happen.
Speaking of, Zeke and Grisha finally getting to work out their issues and hug each other in a moment of pure love is really heartwarming. Grisha understood his mistakes when raising Zeke before. Instead of only treating him as a tool, he treats him as his son. Zeke is finally able to take his first step towards closure after years of trauma. Even if they had their differences, Grisha and Zeke can at least agree with one thing: Stopping Eren.
I think Grisha had changed by that point and self-admittedly become softer as a doctor and a (better) father inside the walls. He probably also sees Eren's plan going beyond Marley and even including killing other Eldians in Liberio and on Paradis.
omg I felt so bad for Sam someone should have given her a hug she cried through like the whole episode :(
i was feeling feelings
Loveyou sam
@@TheReactPack I'll hurt you even more. Zeke never got to read the cat house book with his grandparents. The ultimate betrayal
11:39 Dani wants to see the opening so badly lmao
I’m dead
LOOOOL she's fighting the urge
I just saw this 🤣 trying to be sneaky
LMAOOOO i didn't even noticed
LMAOOOO that was like 10 looks in a second 😭😭
Eren doin what had to be done. Bro raised his dad to raise him 😂
15:18 So, in the manga, Grisha is looking exactly at where Eren is on the first chapter. In the anime, they didn't show it and zoomed in instead on the key to the cellar.
Quick spoiler free FYI: Grisha is saw all these memories of them seeing "his" memories, through Eren's eyes, due to the Attack titan's power. Anything that Eren sees in these scenes, his dad has memories of from Erin's perspective. That's why a lot of times, you'll see that Erin is standing behind Grisha's shoulder, so that he doesn't see things he wasn't "supposed" to see. He really did see Zeke in the house basement, due to Eren being there to give him the memories of it. "Future" Eren was the one regulating which memories Grisha, teen Erin and adult Erin could see. That's why teen Eren was so revolted when he kissed Historia's hand and had flashbacks to the church basement, because he had finally seen that HE was the reason why his dad murdered them all. To sum it up, the type of "time travel" happening is known as fixed timeline (there's also dynamic timeline and multiverse timelines). Fixed timelines tend to have a lot of bootstrap paradoxes, where the event is the cause and the cause is the event.
I think Gabi grabbed the gun from Colt. He had one before he died. Either way gabi with a gun is dangerous 🤣 also this is my favorite episode of the season and I’ve been so excited for you guys too watch 🔥
remember in earlier seasons when the scouts had eren locked up for misbehaving, and Hange caught eren talking to himself in the mirror, Paraphrasing the same words the owl: Eren kruger was pepp talking & preparing the titan shot atop the marley dock platform when grisha first inherited the attack titan. the owl uses the same alias eren uses when he infiltrates marlley as the wounded soldier "eren kruger" . he was also mimmicking the exact hand motions when eren kruger prepares the titan serum. i think eren was doing some memory ability shit in that cell.
its so crazy to think about, eren basically encouraging his dad to make a family as the owl before he is born so he can meet & save armin and mikasa.
It's more likely that Eren is the last attack Titan. He even says, I am who I've always been, meaning he hasn't been manipulated by anyone (future attack Titan). He is the last attack Titan, he's the one manipulating the past holders of the titan. The founding Titan is stuck in the past by the memories of King Fritz. The attack Titan seeks freedom by the memories of Eren
so they keep showing the scene where Eren kisses Historias hand and makes that face. so its leading us to believe that that is when he finds everything out from before and what comes next
It's more of he saw his Father's memories of that moment so he would have also realized at that point he was the one pushing his Father. This leads him to need Zeke to Open the paths in such a way with royal blood to allow him into his Father's memories to achieve that outcome. If I understood it correctly.
The little unusual character reactions/expressions in fiction that most people don't catch and which end up being incredibly important/significant on a rewatch are one of my favourite things.
@@sirken2 that’s just a more complicated way of saying exactly what the original commenter said 😂.
Grisha said if he knew the price for freedom he'd never pay it, Eren on the hand is willing to pay it as much as it costs
remember the scene where eren was talking to the mirror ? "fight..fight" he was actually talking to all the predecessors of the attack titan so they could see his face through his eyes (mirror reflection), that's why they never listened to anyone, they all knew what they had to do from the beginning just like grisha
Damn that line “will eldia really be saved because of this” it’s crazy to think even after everything Grisha was still loyal to his goal
We already kinda knew that the Attack Titan holders can see "memories" of the future, with the Owl talking about Armin and Mikasa who he didn't know, and weren't even born yet.
That's also how Grisha "saw" old bearded Zeke at some points in this episode. It was Eren looking at Zeke during their trip in the Paths, and those memories trickled backwards to Grisha.
"all but the father"
This is very very important, so wren told his father to spare Rodd so later he would turn to a Titan and historia would do the killing blow and she become the queen the Eren would kiss her hands and see the past and to complete the circle
Just a point a lot of people miss is if you look at where Eren is when grisha sees Zeke he is behind Grisha looking at Zeke allowing his Father through Erens memories to see him. This happens again when Griash hugs Zeke Eren is facing Zeke and Grisha so Grisha is able to see him. At least how I understand it Eren's positioning is key to allow his Father to see through his eyes via the attack titans power.
Eren wasn't disgusted by his father for crushing the kids, he was disgusted by his father for his lack of resolve and folding in the last second.
IT'S DEMON TIME BABY.
Godlike performance from Grisha's voice actor + incredible animation work on that mental breakdown scene, such a masterpiece
19:25 in this moment grisha is seeing himself in 3rd person through the memories hearing Eren voice is like a 3rd person Pov and when grisha see zeke is the same, he see zeke through Eren memories who is behind him, so grisha is watching himself and zeke in the front
22:55 To go more in depth on what Nicole briefly said about Eren being sick at his father killing the children, it was that he was actually upset at his dad not having the willpower/courage to take the founder and accomplish his mission. From that moment of touching Historia’s hand in S3, Eren has been slowly but surely working his way up to where he is now, manipulating and pushing his dad past the point of no return, to “fight” for everything he stood for. Another bonus is that some fans have a theory of when Eren pointed to the other side of the sea in S3 and asked if they kill all their enemies, they could be free, Eren wasn’t actually asking Mikasa and Armin, he was asking himself from Season 4. I know this is a lot of opinion from a random fan, but I hope this clears things up. Love your reactions as always 🤗
In case you guys didn't understand the time travel concept of Attack on Titan shown in this episode, here's a brief overview on how it works.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen. This calls into the question of the existence of free will in the world of AOT.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1) He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2) The ability of the Founding Titan
3) He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this means that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
All of this literally blows away my mind every time I read and see it specially that last part. Isayama is truly a genius coming up with all of this.
Another great episode guys.
These last few episodes have been some of the craziest episodes I've ever seen. So I'm really excited to see you reactions to the remaining episodes. Can't wait.
When Eren said in the memories, he is no longer brain washed, it wasn't to trick Zeke. He was being honest. Because Zeke kept saying that Eren was brainwashed, and trying to prove that. So Eren just was be straight forward with him, that he understands, he is no longer brainwashed.
Same with the "disgusted" moment. He was disgusted by his father's inaction, and him being weak enough to not go through with the plan.
Eren was always telling the truth, but not the whole truth. Because he wanted Zeke to lead him to the point where he would force his father into killing the royal family.
Eren didn't feel sick, even saw all of that, he saw how he was in the end the reason why everything happened and that's when he changed as a character
It's actually safe to asume that Eren controled all attack titans. "We've all (all previous users of the attack titan) been lead to this, to this moment. To fight the king's self-righteousness". So, yeah. It was Eren all along.
no.
nah lol how can he control smthing he didnt evn get involved in like a 100 years ago. The attack titan holders was probs just thinking who tf mikasa and armin are and why they wanna save em so much haha but I think Eren's father was the one thts been controlled the most just cus thts the part where Eren actually went "back in time" and had influence over. The previous attack titan holders just had the will of Ymir to be free from royal commands and had always wanted to fight against tyranny.
@@Buckheimer proof? everything is happening at once in that space so he as the guy in control of founder and attack titan can do alot in there. his actions arent bound to the year he is in.
@@yellowdevil8396 yes but just based on the story and Eren's goals theres literally no point for him to go so far back when Ymir already did most of the work for him where she instilled her will of freedom against tyranny in the attack titan shifters. You also have no proof to say Eren went all the way back into the first attack titan shifter to control him and evn if he did, wtf is he suppose to tell the shifter to do? Just start killing everyone? lmao I think its safe to assume Grisha was the only one who got manipulated the most whereas the ones before were driven by Ymir's will just like how the royals who inherited the founding titan were bounded by the King's will.
@@Buckheimer why did you go on that tangent? your post ended up being false anyway since the owl was influenced by eren. so no... its NOT "safe to assume grisha was the only one" and to shift the burden for the others on ymir.
The reason why Grisha can see Zeke and not Eren is because Grisha is looking through Eren's memories. Whenever Grisha saw Zeke Eren was standing right behind him facing Zeke. Also the reason why Grisha looked so freaked out while leaving the house is because he was looking at himself through Eren's vision.
Eren didn't feel sick about his father killing the Reiss family. He felt sick because he saw himself tell his father to do it...
Also that's so cute, thinking this all doesn't end with Eren...lol
From what I understand, Eren doesn't really knows everything that will happen next, he only knows what the next Attack Titan or his future self allows him to see, so if the future Eren doesn't want to spoil the end of the show he can just block those memories to the Eren we see now. That's why Grisha helped him, he thought his wife was going to be saved because Eren didn't share her death.
Well no, kinda. It's not "allows". People keep getting this weird assumption that the Attack Titan can send memories - it can't. Grisha in this episode saying "why won't you show me everything" isn't literal. People need to remember that he's an unreliable narrator, he's just viewing things from his perspective. All the Attack Titan can do is see memories (just like every other titan) except it goes both ways. Eren isn't sending memories, just like Grisha never sent memories to his younger self, or Eren Kruger didn't send any memories -rather just like any other time, memories just arise in the mind of the person experiencing them.
The reason that people see what they do is not because of some 4d chess being played, rather it's the only logical way for the events to unfold as they do. The AoT universe is causal and predetermined, and what we are seeing is the only way things could have played out.
@@GerblerM Well, I don't know if you have more context than me (I didn't read the manga yet). But that seems like an assumption just like what I said. All we know for sure is that the AT can see both past and future.
But aside from that we don't know how that works. I prefer to take what Grisha says literally because it can be a clue given by the author and it's better than just empty theories.
I don't think it has to be seen as "seending memories", for me it's just like database shared by all but with some restrictions. You can think those restrictions are basically made by fate itself, that is pure luck, or what I understood from what Grisha said: if the conditions (like when Eren kissed Historia's hand) are made then a memorie could be seen but Eren has some control over his own memories.
"Eren isn't sending memories, just like Grisha never sent memories to his younger self, or Eren Kruger didn't send any memories"
The thing is that Kruger was caught off guard by Eren's memories, it looks like Grisha only knows about it because of Eren, and Eren himself only saw that kind of memories clearly (Not like the weird dream in ep 1) after kissing Historia's hand. So I don't think Kruger, Grisha or young Eren had the same kind of ability that actual Eren has.
@@NanoMp40 So, I have read the manga HOWEVER everything I type in these comment sections is only using inferences and information that's been shown to the viewer so far, and is/was my interpretation of the events from back when the manga was airing - so no spoilers from me.
Anyway, we're both taking Grisha at his word here - he truly thinks Eren is sending him memories, but we have no reason to believe that Eren is. We know Titan shifters can experience memories of other users, we've seen it plenty of times before - so when Grisha tells us that the Attack Titan can do that, but also for the future, it's not a big leap. What is a big leap, however, is thinking that the Attack Titan, can't actually see memories of the future, and has the power to send memories instead. For one, why would Eren be the only user to ever utilize its power? Why wouldn't Grisha send memories back to Kruger to save Dina, or to spare Fay? What I'm talking about is not empty theories, it's using the rules of the world we've been shown in order to understand what's actually happening.
@@GerblerM I wasn't trying to call your interpretation an "empty theory", sorry if i made it look like that.
As I said, I don't think the it has to do with "sending memories". I think the best way to put my interpretation is as you said "Titan shifters can experience memories of other users" but some memories are restricted.
Let's forget about the whole "sending memories" and think why Grisha didn't saw more memories. First thing is that if Grisha was able to see the future, that would probably only after getting the AT, why didn't he save his sister or Dina? Because he wasn't even connected to the memories of the AT. The only event that leaves me doubtful is Eren's dream at the beginning.
On the other hand, I think Eren is "special" because he was able to touch Historia's hand (I don't know why Grisha didn't have the same thing with Dina) and that he was the only one that had the chance to get to Ymir and interact with a titan with royal blood. (Spoiler for the next episode) if I remember correctly Eren says something like "I needed you (Zeke) to travel through the memorias so I could communicate with our father", so I believe he isn't that special but he got the chance to make better use of the power because of the royal blood.
Sorry if I wrote too much xD I get too excited talking about this anime
@@NanoMp40 Oh no, for sure, I didn't take it to be offensive or anything, I was just more trying to say that I was leaning more on what the show has shown us in the past, since both the statements Grisha makes ("the AT can see future memories" and "Why didn't you show me everything") are put at odds with one another.
I think you're right in that basically the memories of all Eldians exist in the paths - and becoming a titan shift opens your ability to experience those memories to a degree - I'd also say that I believe the reason why Grisha wasn't able to access memories with Dina, was because he wasn't a Titan at that point, like you mention.
But yeah, reading through the rest of your comment, that's basically how I understand it to work as well - Eren isn't sending anything, it's more that he's uniquely positioned to create specific memories in his own mind, by exploring his dad's previous memories thanks to Zeke+Ymir (as confusing as that sentence is, lol). That way, when his dad's Titan ability manifests, those experiences are available to be remembered.
I think the big distinction that I'm making is more that nothing is deliberate on Eren's part, so far as like... a "plan" goes. I think he's just along for the ride, because it's been preordained, and the previous users of the Attack Titan just so happened to remember the things that they did because it was the only logical way for the end result to happen. I think what the Attack Titans remember are semi-random (except for the triggered stuff), just like real memories you or I have. Like much in the same way that all Eldian memories exist in the path, my brain has a HUGE amount of memories available, that I just have no access to at this moment - but sometimes, seemingly for no reason, I'll think about a day I had in highschool, or remember a song I used to love. I dunno how to wrap up what I'm saying in a neat bow, but hopefully that made a bit of sense as to what I mean.
React Pack, post the next episode *right now!* xD
I'm not 100% sure if someone fully explained the seeing Eren/Zeke bit, but from the first time in the basement, Grisha only sees what Eren wants him to see through his perspective. Aka a third, but live perspective.
It's like imagining someone running a race with one of those GoPros strapped to their back looking at that persons back/infront over their head. Imagine Eren is the GoPro, it's a third perspective once it's passed through to Grisha.
So in the basement (and any other time this happens) you'll notice Eren is standing behind Grisha. Grisha is seeing what Eren sees/says. In the basement Grisha is seeing himself, and the older Zeke, from Erens own eyes. Same with when Grisha is holding the key at home, he knows Eren is there, because he's seeing himself basically.
Something that's kinda funny to imagine is, he can't physically touch Eren or Zeke, as they're just *live memories* , so when he is hugging Zeke, Grisha is actually hugging thin air 😭 Hope that helps! :)
This is the real Attack on Titan story. Eren's story. This proves that everything that has happened in the entire story is because Eren wants it to happen. They said that the Attack Titan has always marched forward, towards freedom. Sound familiar? That's Eren to a T. Eren is THE Attack Titan, and since the memories work from the future backwards, every previous Attack Titan has also been manipulated by Eren towards his goal of 'freedom'. That's why the Owl knows who Mikasa and Armin are. That's why the Owl saves Grisha and gives him his titan in the first place.
I like how Sam was so emotional this episode, simpathizing with Zeke and Grisha, was a really cool reaction
I hope y’all see my comment. Ok so basically since Zeke took Eren into their fathers memories Grisha was seeing the events through his own eyes but also erens, that’s why when he was sleeping on his desk and eren looked at the picture Grisha started apologizing then eren looked at current Zeke Grisha jumped up, he was seeing everything through erens eyes also
Eren has always been a monster
Remember he swore to kill all the titans himself, he is doing the opposite
The only person who could see how crazy Eren was Reiner, that is why Reiner said 2 episodes ago
“Eren is the last person on earth who deserves that power”, cause how unhinged and psychotic he is…..
You’re literally missing the entire point of the show if you think Eren has always been a monster. His circumstance is what led him to becoming who we see now in season 4.
@@WW-er9ws ever since he kissed that hand that's what drove him. He's still a monster tho
@@geraldthegoose1685 🤦♂️he was driven by the reality of his situation it’s not hard to understand lol.
@@WW-er9ws that's what I said. That moment made him act
Eren is not even close to psychotic
**SPOILER** Nobody, meaning Attack Titan future inheritors, is controling Eren because he's the 'last inheritor'. Basically, Eren is pulling all the strings since the beginning.
It's very important to know Eren doesn't just straight up know the future. It's literally only what Grisha had seen from Erens future memories
Part of the speech from Eren Yaeger told Grisha is also the same speech Eren Kruger told Grisha before passing the Attack Titan to him. Makes me wonder if Eren Kruger was also manipulated by Eren Yaeger as well.
22:55 *ACTUALLY* ...
He did felt sick but it was because his dad was actually holding back his actions, even tho he showed the future to him....
Eren is the child geisha wanted in Marley while zeke is the child he wanted inside the walls
I think Eren was disgusted with his father in that moment, not for killing the children. But for giving up and saying he can't do it. So Eren was forced to convince him. The disgust is the opposite of what we have been thinking up to this point.
FYI: Remember what Eren KRUGER told Grishia??? That was ACTUALLY Eren JAEGER talking to Grishia!!! Hence he mentioned MIKASA, ARMIN.
That was a future memory of Grisha talking to young Eren before he injected him.
And now we know what Eren saw when he kissed Historia's hand: not only did he see his older self gaslight Grisha into killing the royal family against his will, but he also saw things far into the future because Eren EVEN FURTHER into the future sent memories of it to Grisha, and then Eren saw them through Grisha's memory, so he now knows his own future, and apparently it's horrible.
Now the face he pulled in that moment makes sense, I don't know how the fuck you even process that.
The voice acting was fking amaziiinnnggggg this episode, everytime I see this episode I tear up
The scene where the adult Eren is looking at the memory of his scarf with Mikasa is, in my opinion, the most important depiction in AOT.
And Eren's words at that time contain a lie
-> "Rather than letting someone steal my freedom,I'll steal theirs first ."
Eren was protecting Mikasa's freedom, not his own.
a a manga reader , i like ur observation ( i said manga reader bcs of what i can connect with this scene, not to say "yo all hi im manga reader"
Parkers oh crap, oh God, oh man at 29:39 was great 😆
*Before this episode*
Zeke: I gotta undo Grisha's brainwashing on you
*After this episode*
Zeke: Shit, I gotta undo your brainwashing on Grisha
I'm with Eren no matter what.
Team Eren let's go.
Love this reaction here its quiet and talking for a little bit but stay focus and paying attention nice
i love how this story shows the themes of fate and freedom with the comparison between the royal family and the attack titan inheritors. the royal family are slaves to the ideology of king fritz (slaves to the past), while the attack titan inheritors are slaves to the memories of their future inheritors (slaves to the future). some are born a certain way, some are brainwashed. are we ever free? or are we slaves to our upbringing? our ideologies? i swear in 2030 schools should replace Shakespeare with isayama in the syllabus.
They aren't slave to future inheritors, they are slaves to Eren, who used the PATH to put the memories he wanted to put in their head so that it would end like he wanted.
@@sarahbloom1056 wouldnt you say kruger was compelled to act in a way that would result in grisha getting the attack titan since he saw future grisha's memories of armin and mikasa? who knows how many acts previous attack titans were compelled to do willingly or otherwise so that specific people they had future memories of would inherit the attack titan. this chain of fulfilling future memories ultimately resulted in eren getting it.
@@Misterasianweeman no, that was not Grisha talking to himself, that was Eren talking to Grisha and younger Eren, otherwise he would have said something about Carla and not talk about Armin (Armin doesn't mean much to Grisha).
And don't get fooled by what Grisha said about the Attack Titan power, that was only Grisha's interpretation. The king of the walls and Zeke are the two most knowledgeable people about the titans' powers, and Isayama took care of showing their reaction to Grisha's claim.
@@sarahbloom1056 can you quote where i ever wrote that i thought grisha was talking to himself? because i was referencing the episode in season 3 where it is revealed how grisha gets the attack titan. the part where eren kruger the owl tells grisha he has to move forward in order to save mikasa and armin. clearly showing that kruger has seen memories of a future grisha. adding to my original point that the inheritors of the attack titan can see memories of their future inheritors, compelling them to enact events that would make these future memories come true. also grisha knows for a fact the attack titan can see the future because he would have seen eren KRUGER's past memories of getting flashes of his own(grisha's) future memories.
@@Misterasianweeman If Kruger had seen memories of future Grisha, and he was talking to Grisha with future Grisha's point of view (hence the Grisha talking to himself) why the hell would he tell him to save Mikasa and Armin instead of Eren and Carla? Mikasa I kind of understand although she'd be less important to him than his wife and son, but Armin? Why would Grisha care about him?
There is absolutely nothing that says that Kruger saw one of Grisha's memories. However, we know that both Kruger and Grisha saw some of Eren's memories.
And again, do you believe that from a narrative standpoint Isayama put Grisha between the two people who know the most about titans with both of them saying that's not a thing about the AT's power just for the lolz. Do you really think that Isayama is such a shitty writer that he would create a power as cheated as the ability to see the future and that it would stay hidden for literally 2000 years from the literal God of Titans?
Zeke: You've activated my trap card
Eren: *Uno Reverse*
In the episode originally showing Grisha’s attack on the Reiss family back in season 3, when he attempts to stab his hand, there’s a slight cut between him holding the scalpel in the air and him stabbing his hand.
Actually at 15:14 Grisha was looking at Eren in the manga. I guess WIT thought it was a mistake at the time and edited where he was looking for the anime.
Isayama wasn't overly involved in season 1 apparently, so it makes sense that some of the important panels from the manga were missed. One day I hope they do some kind of 'final cut' where they include this scene.
I haven't read the Manga but there are a few things I've heard about that seem like they'd have been cool to leave in eg:
- Mikasa development in s1
- some more Kenny foreshadowing
- some scenes from the s4 e3 flashback with the warriors just prior to the wall being broken
Among others!
It's the fate of whoever the holder of the Jaw Titan is to sacrifice themselves for Reiner.
Did you guys ever check out the lyrics for the ending it makes it so much better
Eren is the one whos been guiding every attack titan since it existed potentially. And since Grisha can see the memories of the attack titans future when he saw zeke he was seeing zeke thru erens eyes in the memories when they were in front of grisha
The huge rifle Gaby shot was an anti-titan weapon that Falco's brother had been carrying
giesha wanted to let eren live a normal life when eren said he wanted to go and join scout....dad went to the king to convince help him again....coz he wanted to protect eren....he wanted the royals to do the work....attack titan has the ability to see the future of you remembered....remember owl?... when he said about mikasa and armin?...he didn't know wtf was that...
Eren was the son Grisha needed in Marley. Zeke was the son he wanted on Paradis.
The attack titan can only see glimpses of the future. Like they can choose what to send to the previous holder I think. Cause grisha was saying how eren won’t show him everything. Like grisha doesn’t know when the walls fall or if Carla is safe.
15:22 in the manga they actually showing Grisha face looking in somewhere but in the anime is just a zoom of hand
31:15 well the female titan is the female titan for a reason, just like how female humans can turn into male body type titans, if a male becomes the female titan it'll be a female body
Yeah only female titan and founding titan (if user is female eg. Frieda) have boobs and female structure
Actually he'll become "The male titan"
@@tFighterPilot no. All titans are "male" the only thing setting the female titan apart is her being female. If a woman becoming a titan has a male body, then a man becoming the female titan will have the female body. Just look at pieck, the warhammer or ymir's jaw
This was the only time Eren was able to influence the past and it was because he had access to royal blood
before he could only see glimpses of the future and some memories of the past holders of the Attack Titan
so you could say all this was Zeke's fault, he gave Eren the keys to the kingdom xD
When Eren kissed historical, he saw his future. So he made sure that fridge left the dad alive so that Historia becomes queen so he can see his future and exact the future.
Eren saw and realized about everything when he kissed Historia's hand, thats why he looked shocked after doing it.
The Founding titan is tied to the past while the Attack is tied to its future.
I love all of your reactions, I can’t wait for you guys to see the last couple of episodes 💖
Something no one really talks about is how much Eren(Jaeger)'s words to Grisha when he killed the royal family, mirror Eren(Kruger)'s words to Grisha when he passed on the attack titan.
"Until the day comes when the two of us get what we deserve, we can only move forward. Until death, even after death. This is the story that you started."
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The only reason eren can communicate with his father is beacause zeke allowed him in his father's memories therefore allowing Grisha to see erens future memories of him being there saying those things that's why Grisha sees zeke only when eren is looking at him. As far as eren being able to know how he acts in the future that is also possible because Grisha has those memories of seeing eren in the future. If not for contact with people with royal blood eren couldn't pull off what he did therefore if a future attack titan inheritor didn't come into contact with someone of royal blood they couldn't influence eren or the past in any way.
Grisha say to Zeke Stop Eren because Eren show to grisha what he gonna do with the power of the founder but grisha didn't know that Zeke want to kill all the eldians.
in this episode we found out that the anime tells the story of a villain and not a hero
Yep..... Gabi was JUST lucky to find that gun just lying there pointing towards Eren with a single round left and strong enough to pull the trigger ....🤪😂😐
Grisha's voice actor deserves an award for this episode.
idk why people treat teh opening and endings as spoilers when the man who wrote the damn story gave the ok to the opening and endings. Meant to watch it all.
The rumbling was foreshadowed since season 1, and then was spelled out like 5 times before the Rumbling Opening. All foreshadowing, and it doesn't even compare to what actually happens.
Sam looks at Morgan like that, she sure loves her, and so do I, it's impossible not to love a girl like that, attack of the titans
Soo it’s been 8 months since you guys reacted to a certain episode of Snz 3 AOT. I’m pretty sure with all the anime you watch you might have forgotten this certain scene. Do you remember when Grisha was talking to “the Owl” right before he was turned into a Titan and pushed off the wall? Well in the closing credits “the Owl” mentions both Mikasa and Armin by name. You guys seemed super confused at the time. While it was actually a super big foreshadowing to this episode that the Attack Titan can see the future. I copied the link to your own video to help you remember. The time stamp is 21:00 exactly th-cam.com/video/mZ9n23Z7XMc/w-d-xo.html&feature=share . Solved an 8 month question for you lol. Love the videos by the way. Diamond member on your Patreon🤘🏽
I think you misunderstood, Eren was disgusted that his dad *couldn't* do it himself, and that he had to convince him.
Grisha mentions that the inheritors of the attack Titan refused to bow to anyone and all the titans were all once part of Ymir.
Perhaps they are getting at the Attack Titan being the proof of Ymir's will, her desire to want to bow to no one. It makes her waiting for Eren make more sense now.
so basically Eren isn't the way he is because the attack titan seeks freedom
the attack titan is the way it is because Eren ( who we presume is the last holder ) seeks freedom
Basically Eren influenced the entire line of attack titan hosts up until the first one to reach this point.
Eren was the son Grisha wished for when he was in Marley and Zeke was the son Grisha wished for in Paradis. Its crazy if you think about it...
The fact that Eren’s actions are his own, and his not being manipulated, means that there’s no future Attack Titan inheritor After Eren.
The last 5 mins if this ep is just mind blown i cant think of anything better than this last 5mins i mean man come on nothing can beat it🔥
Small detail I love. Baby eren starts crying and wriggling around when Grisha picked him up. Eren wanted to be free.
thats not how babys work
"I thought we got Eren back....... I guess he's always been crazy." LMAO
The power of the attack titan reveals the secret scene where Eren Kruger said to Grishia "If u wanna save mikasa and armin...."
eren was disguested of grisha when the first time historia & her dad touched him in his back, he only saw his father killing them & eating the founder, but after a while when he kissed historia's hand, he saw what really happened (what about to happen as well) & he knew everything, so he went to that future step by step knowing everything
Wren saw everything that was going to happen when he kissed historia’s hand. Remember she was a pure blood and that’s when he came in contact. So he knew everything that was going to happen already. That’s why he made the face after kissing her hand
This is my personal favourite AOT episode
Just cause they see the future, that doesn’t mean they know what’s best.
Grisha Crying with baby Eren because he fail his comand!!
Alright now to really blow your minds go to S1 episode 2 and go the part where Mikasa punches Eren and feeds him bread and pay attention to the background and tell me that the mysterious figure doesn't look familiar 🤯🤯🤯