Jack the Ripper- Edgar Degas????
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- This Pub Test covers Edgar Degas as a suspect in the Jack the Ripper saga.
In this one I express my thoughts on this as well, let me know your thoughts in the comments.
Hope you enjoy.
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I think that it is highly unlikely that the killer would be known to us today, for anything other than the murders.
Yep, that is why I had to deep dive this one. Degas is the new hit suspect, whilst being so unlikely.
Degas spent most of his time painting and the notion that he was Jack the Ripper, a truly fascinating insight nonetheless, serves as a cautionary tale for what might happen if a painter went too far, and ACTUALLY attempted to do the things Jack did. Jack seems to have been a bit smaller than Edgar Degas, and a painter like Degas would have required more time contemplating how to carry out his attacks, than Jack the Ripper had. Thanks for the video! Fascinating insight into the minds of Edgar Degas and Jack the Ripper. Best wishes to you from Iceland.
Thank you for your gracious comment. I didn't think he was a serious suspect, but it has, but it has blown recently. ( You are the first person from Iceland to comment on the channel. Nice.) 😁
The painting you didn’t look for could possibly be “scene of war in the Middle Ages”
Thank you for that detail. I wasn't even sure it was real. 🙂
He was 54,and and had been losing his vision for 8 years prior to 1888. He didn't know the area, and nobody had been able to peg him living in Whitechapel. A 54 year old man with vision issues, and stumbling around in pitch dark in an unknown area doesn't fit any serial killer MO.
Can't disagree with that at all..👍🙂
Impressionist paintings take a very short amount of time. Generally with few strokes of the brush and painted in person, using real landscapes and people as references. Edgar Degas used photography to help him paint though. Impressionism was heavily influenced by Japanese water paintings at the time. Realist paintings were made with the purpose of calling out societal issues and portraying the lower class and the poorest of the people. Hope that clarified everything.
Yes, thank you. I'm looking at art very differently now. 🙂
Van Gogh being your touch point for the opinion of Degas at the time is interesting. Van Gogh was the most isolated and underrated artist of the ime and his opinion wouldn't have really mattered to others about what was good or bad art.
I have to say my opinion would rate even less. 🤣
In all seriousness I did not know that about Van Gogh.
Thanks for adding that detail. 👍🙂
Hi there. A great series of videos. But you've missed the killer. Jacob Levy
Haven't missed him. He's on the list of upcoming suspects. It is staggering the amount of people who were considered as the ripper. 🍺👍🙂
Interesting vid mate but very circumstantial! Not a contender in my opinion. I feel it’s irrefutable that whoever it was knew Whitechapel like the back of his hand
Totally agree. It's why I'm still baffled that in 2024 he suddenly became a contender..😳
You need to look into the necks of his female portraiture.... and the xrays of his waxwork figurines..... you didn't actually touch any of the salient points. Based on your upload I wouldn't see it, pls look deeper.
Thanks for the comment. You raised some things I need to dig into a little.
There are a few suspects that will get a deeper dive.
Again, thanks for jumping in and sharing the info. 👍🙂
No not him. A very weak case for being him.
I strongly agree... that is why I was shocked that a video got over 13 million views suggesting he was!!! 😳
I agree with you. The case against him is very weak at best.
Thanks for watching. Appreciate the feedback as well. 🍺👍🙂
Impressionism is basically using not clear or crispy lines to create people's and objects forms, and relies more on abstract brushstrokes to make realistic images. It's basically lazy as realism artists view, and they think it was a cheap quick way to make it big. It was also a very new style so the people loved a fresh view.
Thank you for the comment. 👍
I've been educated on the difference since I posted this video. 😁
Your details have helped me as well. (And I mean that in all honesty. The Pub Test is about having these conversations and we all get to learn something)
Thanks for the comment and for watching. 🍺👍🙂
Okay, when TH-cam suggested this video, I thought that I would regret watching, but Owen handled it, in my opinion, very well. I thought it was a stretch for Degas to be a suspect, and the evidence is extremely flimsy, but I thought it was good to point out the motive of the "researcher." Imagine all of the videos to be made because someone dislikes a historical figure of the time and posits them as Jack the Ripper candidates. I have heard over and over that Queen Victoria has been suggested as a possible candidate, although any of those videos I will skip. The initial investigation was botched and evidence has been lost or destroyed over time, so we will never truly know, but I'm pretty certain that the real criminal, if we could learn his or her identity, was not someone of note. Thanks for a video well done.
Thanks for the generous comment. You are right that it doesn't take much to get on the list of possible suspects.
I'm glad you enjoyed this video. 👍🙂
People kill where they are comfortable. I don't think there has ever been a serial killer who killed in his hols for a few weeks and then went back to his normal job. Sexual psychopaths dont work like that. As one of the other comments mentioned the killer was a local who knew the area in depth. I think because the killings are extraordinary some feel the killer must have been someone who must have been "someone" the truth was he was a nobody. The idea of a famous nearly blind artist 20 years older than the suspect descriptions is at best unlikely
Yep, totally agree. I wonder how many defamation lawsuits would be under way if some of these people were still alive.
Thanks for watching. 🙂👍
I really have no reason at all to suspect that Degas was the Ripper. He was a man between the ages of 20 & 60 who lived in western Europe. That seems to be the whole case other than lots of conjecture. As I understand it, there's no evidence that he was anywhere but in southern France at the time of the murders. Your point that anti-Semitism was common at the time is legit, not because that makes it OK, but because if anti-Semitism makes one a suspect and there were many anti-Semites, what makes Degas a suspect any more than any of the other anti-Semites? And if Degas associated with Sickert, either Sickert was the Ripper, which would mean Degas wasn't, or Sickert wasn't the Ripper, which would mean that associating with him means nothing.
Yep, my thoughts exactly on this one. 🍺👍🙂
I'd like to be the first to nominate Whistler (James McNeill, not Simon) as a ripper suspect, because why not?
Why not indeed. 😁 I think some people are now suggesting it might be someone from the future. ( A psychotic ti.e traveller perhaps 🤔)
Thanks for watching 🍺😁🤔
It could even be Whistler’s mother? 🤔
Then who does constitute a racist or a misogynist, if not someone who makes racist or sexist comments? They can change later in life, and those labels no longer apply, but they once were racist. If Degas made disparaging comments about Jewish people, then at the time he made them, he would have been anti-Semitic. However, you did not actually do any research on Degas yourself as stated. so we don't even know if he did say those things. It was a common attitude at the time, but that also does not mean we cannot judge it to be a poor, uninformed opinion.
Well... I can't argue with any of that. 🙂. Truly a Pub Test comment if there was one.
Your opinion has given me.pause for thought on some of my statements.
I still do stand by the claim he wasn't Jack the Ripper.
In thinking about what you said a bit further I have to acknowledge that if we did hold views that were wrong then we would go into those misogynist or racist categories. Just hopefully we don't put peo0le into those time bubbles.
Thank you again. 👍🙂
So… he lived in the 1880’s. Ok.
He lived within 1000 miles of Whitechapel. Ok
He allegedly painted pics of chasing women. Uh huh… sure that makes perfect sense. 🤔
Good video Owen! If there was anyone who could make this case sound reasonable, it’s you Chocolate Brussell Sprout!
Was interesting to dig a deeper into this one. Learned a few extra details about him, not the least of which is I'm not an art lover. 😁 ( Might have to change my name Chocolate Brussel Sprout. C.B. Sprout would look good on the spine of a book ) 🤣🤣
Good job on the video as usual!
Big diff between realism and impressionism. Impressionism is more about catching fleeting light so the painting would be very fast. Just an impresdion of a certain time in the day. Realism is very realistic. More like a picture.
Hi, thank you for that. I have been corrected on this and now have a greater understanding. 🙂👍
My creative is writing and telling stories, art was never my thing.
Yet I felt I had to defend a fellow creative person from being thrown under bus for crimes he didn't commit.
Thanks again for your comment and for watching. 🙂
@OwenNeidhart I also think it is very unlikely Degas did this and it is sad he is being defamed like this. Good on you for stating your opinion on this.
Straightaway You spoke it,born 1834,so age 54 in Ripper Time,when the suspect shoulda been around 30-35,but with a foreign accent🤔 👋for a Good Presentation as usual;-)
One body had a tube of paint nearby. The throat focus, the wax figures, the insane poetry.... yeah idn.
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate your point of view. 👍🙂
I can tell you if a painting is impressionism, realism, or expressionism, but it's a little hard for me to put the difference into words.
Realism is like you're painting a real scene or subject that's in front of you, depicting it as it is.
Impressionism is like you are painting that same scene but it's blurry and altered like it's not in front of you, but it's from your memories or dreams. You're really capturing the essence and feel instead of things as they actually are, and there's a focus on capturing the way the light falls on the scene. Colors aren't fully blended by the brush, your eyes just combine them. Brushstrokes visible. Think Waterlilies by Monet.
Expressionism is like you are painting the scene also through the filter of a dream or memory but you also did a little lsd. It's much more altered, colors usually more vivid than real life, and unblended even more than in Impressionism. Brushstrokes highly visible. Think Starry Night by Van Gogh.
Degas is my favorite impressionist. Absolutely not the killer. Most artists I know love dark humor, and can easily fall into the category of "total whacko", but very few of us are killers. I think. Ok, that one Gacy guy who painted clowns. He doesn't count. He was a clown who painted. Not a painter who clowned.
Thanks for that explanation. 👍
It helps explain his attitude towards other artists for me. ( Though I think many of his comments were said in jest)
My creative side is writing and storytelling. And while most creative people are rather quirky, as you say, it doesn't make us deranged killers.
While there are exceptions, as you pointed out, I totally agree that Degas wasn't Jack the Ripper.
Thanks again for the comment and for watching. 🙂👍
My Lordy, pitching up my Dad's tent in the backyard. Grabbing all the Agatha Christie books I could and a packet of twisties was my ideal weekend! Yes, it was the 80s when you had the luxury of being bored ( after you finished your chores).
🤣🤣 I first thought that you meant ready Agatha Christie made you bored. 🤣🤣 It was a different time for sure and reading was always a go to for me.
Like many I only heard about his possible connection a few weeks ago. but It could be him! His problem with eye sight meant he mostly only came out at night. ..Seriously though, Degas seemed to express the reality of the times..The low social status of dancers I just watched a few vids of his art & a creepy sculpture.
Bad eyesight is perfect for the dark. 👍 I missed that detail. Would've been good for the video. What I've always understood about him is that he wasn't perfect, bit he wasn't a monster either. 🍺🙂👍
Arrogant frog..lol😅😅😅
I'm still hoping that isn't wildly racist..🤔 At least you see the humour in it. 😁😁🤣🤣