AL4 DPO Automatic Transmission Service Fluid Refill & Level Check Renault Citroen Peugot How To DIY
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PSA Peugeot Citroen AL4 Automatic Gearbox
Renault DP0 Automatic Gearbox
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I've put a bit too much in there - classic! Great instructional video, thanks.
thanks & cheers
As soon as I heard the symptoms.. I thought blocked filter.. had a trans eat the lockup clutch lining and symptoms matched, pulled the pan and the filter was a mess of what looked like fine mud.. thanks for the upload your becoming a regular reference point for diagnosis of trans faults. Awesome job buddy!
glad vids help, thanks & cheers
Top job boys.
thanks bloke (y)
Thanks that helps
good to hear, cheers
Thanks for the video, will come in handy. Have to say tho - the idiocy of the engineer not putting a dipstick on such a vital part is just beyond me..
welcome to our world. cheers
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Hi, great mechanic, lean and effective!
I love the idea of using the leveling bolt to refill it back with no need of dissasembling parts somewhere else.
Q1: what is the diameter of the hose that fits in the leveling bolt-pipe?
Q2: what do you use to pump the new oil in?
Any links to products are welcome.
Thank you again
hi, you can just hold a hose up to the level tube port and use a pump if you do a one-off. cheers
Nice video you spoke about putting an external filter
Can you tell me or do you have a video on that.
hi, i would have somewhere in my video collection. just put it in cooling line, but bear in mind those filters are directional ( they will have a flow indicator on the filter housing) disconnect a line and have someone briefly start motor, this will show you the transfluid flow direction. cheers
sir this same gearbox renault duster 2.l petrol 4 speed amt geabox , id yes we can fix this gearbox to renault
Hi, great vid, did the oil change fix the customers issue. I have the same transmission and I am having the same symptoms.
hi, improved not fixed. cheers
Hello, what color is the oil that you put on the flag? When I unloaded my car, I found the color of the oil to be red. It is the same engine and the same car, a Peugeot 406.
Hi. How long does it take for the old oil stuck in the torque (about 2.5l) to get fully mixed with the new oil. Does it mix quickly by pressure/hydrolics with a 5 minute drive, or is it much slower and maybe takes a few weeks/months of driving? (I left mine draining overnight to see if the torque would empty on its own through the seals but I hardly got any, maybe a tenth of a litre, and probably not even from the torque)
hi, fluid mixes fairly quickly, however the fluid that is in behind pistons usually have very small bleed hole, so it will take longer to flush out that, unecessary to worry too much unless you have coolant/water in your trans. cheers
Hi.
When draining an automatic gearbox you only get about half of the oil out.
The other half is still in the torque converter.
If you just refill like you did you end up with 50/50 oil.
50% new mixed with 50% old.
That's why when you removed the level plug to set the oil level the oil that came out was nearly as black as the original oil.
When I did mine I used 20 litres of oil.
Drained as much as I could.
Refilled and set the level.
Drove for a few days and repeated until all the 20 litres was used.
Each time you drain you remove more of the old oil.
1 drain and refill = 50/50 oil. New/Old.
2 drains = 75/25.
3 drains = 87.5/12.5.
4 drains = 93.75/6.25.
Obviously these are very loose figures.
Yes, it is more expensive but you end up with a better job.
Unfortunately on the Megane Scenic the oil cooler is built onto the gearbox and is cooled by the engine coolant via an oil to water heat exchanger.
I cannot see how an inline oil filter could be used if there are no pipes going to an oil coiler radiator at the front of the car.
Also, on my car the oil change didn't fix the jerky 1st to 2nd gear changes even after stripping, cleaning and rebuilding the hydraulic block with new solenoids at the top.
Couldn't change the gear change solenoids as I couldn't afford them at the time.
This is an UK car.
hi, it would have been cheaper, better and easier if you installed a remote cooler adapter kit which enables fitting of an air trans cooler. then you could have just vacuumed the old fluid via those lines with a cheap hand oil extraction pump from ebay, and had the added bonus of better trans cooling and eliminated chance of coolant entering your trans. whenever we recondition these trans we insist on fitting a bypass cooler. in uk you might need the coolant to warm up the trans fluid in sub zero temps inorder to not scrub out seals. in australia we need to keep them cool so trans last longer. cheers
Great video.
I read that if you try to suck oil out you risk metal deposits getting sucked into the wrong places and causing transmission problems. I got a whirring relative to rpm on my 1.4 Clio Mk2 auto. No change problems and someone told me it's a normal noise. I'm going to change the ATF and see if it helps - I might do a second change to get 80% new fluid but that's good enough for me. Is any Dex 3 the best for these transmissions? Any type of Dex 3 has got to better than the 18 year old stuff in there now. Ever used Dex 6 in these?
Same box at Renault on Megane 2, called "DP0" ("AL4" at Peugeot and Citroën).
They say 60°C to check the level.
no worries. cheers
@@YepThatsIt MAN BUT where is filter ? you must replace the filter when you change the oil....
@@savurazvan7854 good quesstion sir, i have changed the oil but not the filter coz me mechanic says the filter is inside the gearbox
How many liters does the automatic gearbox have? Al4
Hi. I'm from Malaysia. I own the Peugeot 207. AL4 gearbox 4 speed. I also got issue lately same as the car in the video. Slipping shifting during hot time. On the afternoon driving especially. I'm nearly want to make fully restore on the gearbox. But then I've using the Mobil 3309 atf. The gearbox issues gone and the gear shifting become smoother.
hi, some of the fine metallic debris that is suspended in the trans fluid will come out with an oil change. any trans fluid that is suited to your particular trans would have similar result. the problem is the internal filter getting blocked with that fine swarf. make sure you do a trans cooling line flow check, add magnets if possible and even check solenoids aren`t leaking or heavily contaminated with debris before you do any major removal & repairs. cheers
@@YepThatsIt previously i have using the Areca and 4hp20 which is recommended for AL4 gearbox. But still get a bad result. The issue no solve. Then when i switch to the mobil 3309 atf, the problem gone. Maybe the mobil 3309 atf is suitable for now. But i still continue monitor the result. Tq. 😊
@@Bolakampung_fans salam bang, confirm ea gearbox 406 kita ni boleh pakai mobil tu? nk tukar gak ni, gearbox da jerking² la.
@@wanrose4564 jika gearbox kereta tuan AL4 empat speed, boleh guna tuan. Tapi jika masih sama ada kemungkinan isu solenoid valve atau isu² lain.
I have a Citroen c4 coupe (2007) with automatic transmission, I would like to do a complete flush instead of normal change, but this requires opening the transmission coolant lines in order to empty the oil from the torque converter, do you know if this technique is possible with AL4 ? Where are these coolant lines located in the Citroen c4 ?
Many Thanks in advance
hi, to doa full flush you will either need a vacuum pump or a transmission flush machine. in doing a full flush with either will require 3 to 4 times your trans fluid capacity. we only do a full flush when water or coolant has entered transmission. generally it isnt needed otherwise. cheers
@@YepThatsIt
Thx for the reply
I just changed the oil, it improved a bit, but problem still occurring ( transmission puts itself in 3 rd after a loud bang ).
This seems a known AL4 issue ! I am going to replace the solenoid valves
Its only change or also flush the oil?how to flush the al4 matic oil?
hi, if you have vacuum pump you can get a bit more oil out through the trans cooling lines. cheers
Hello I have a Peugeot 207cc al4 automatic transmission how much liters to make a drain and refill ? ( A normal one without the torque converter)
Buy 4l. Put in 3.5 then do the running engine hot oil level check. If its not a steady flow add the rest and repeat. You need a steady flow to ensure there's enough to do the running engine hot oil level check until there is just a trickle.
@@kw3663 ok thanks 😊
hi, if the oil mix with coolant what should do?
hi, asap flush trans fluid a few times and also install a bypass transmission cooler see th-cam.com/video/1paq5RbiTNQ/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/Veu5h5evTiY/w-d-xo.html hopefully you save it in time before linings start to peel and surface rust forms. cheers
Hola que puede ser que el auto a penas lo pones en marcha la marcha a tras entra sin ruido y golpe. Pero en caliente si hace un golpe leve cuando pones marcha a tras. Tambie lo hace en 2da cuando está en frío y salís cambia de primera a 2da rápido a bajas vueltas. Pero en caliente al cambiar a 2500rpm y pega un pequeño golpe. Los demás cambios funcionan sin golpes.
hi, it could be transmission is worn ? when heat is applied transmission fluid thins out and metal can either expand or tighten depending where it is. make sure you do all the basic checks first before you pull anything apart. cheers
Inline filter will do nothing other than filter coolant. Common issue with AL4. Can also check pressure regulation valves pressures on the valve body via scan tool. Seems AL4 has an issue with dealing with hot ATF. Users in Brazil have had good results with Dextron6 fully synthetic.
hi, try lubegard atf additives, the red bottle will greatly help cool your atf. cheers
I have a 2006 Citroen C5 model 2.0 16v (AL4) automatic transmission vehicle.
I get transmission failure when it rains.
I am getting error U1003-0103 in OBD data
In addition, the vehicle changes gears on its own while driving on the road.
When the rain stops, my car returns to normal. Errors cleared
I think part of my car is getting water and the problem persists until this water dries up.
What is the faulty part?
Help me! please
hi, try putting di-electric grease in all electrical connections and also check all the earth straps for good connection. often earth straps are bolted to paint, so the electrical connection is only through the bolt thread, put some di-èlectric grease or spray some wd40 in there and see how you go. cheers
Can you tell me how to flush the atf al4?
hi, you can use vac pump to suck out top half of converter via the trans cooling lines. cheers
All of the manuals I found says 60 degrees (C) for checking oil level
hi, thats no worries. we prefer to have fluid level at higher end on these. at higher temp the expanded fluid will come out. fluid level at temp between the 40 and 60C for synthetic fluid is very slight anyway. decide for yourself. cheers
Hi ... how can you fit an inline filter ?
hi, in the cooling line, but be aware that trans inline filters are directional flow. cheers
cheers mate :)
i have 406 coupe 3.0 liter with this transmition automatic and gearbox not changing second gear and suddenly car stops all wheels blocked what can be the problem i change the oil 10k kilometer ago please help
When an automatic transmission has mechanical problems, it will not shift into D or R. But if it has trouble shifting into subsequent gears, then you have an electronic problem. Possibly the solenoids or in less cases, the connecting cables and even more rarely, the control module. I would bet on changing the selenoids and the transmission filter. Recycle used transmission oil as much as you can.
@@Autonomia_para_Puerto_Rico thank you for replying me, i've been on my mechanic electric and he dont see any issue of the car, the car now changing gears after a week but nothing find bad you know what i mean, backwars I changed the oil but not the filter cuz mechanic tolds me that the filter is inside the transmition and we must take off the gearbox for that step .... Is this true??
@@ilchejovanovski4455 look for another mechanic. Here a video were the guy change the filter with the engine and transmission matted together. th-cam.com/video/Xe1ZIKrqueE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Pj8sMztNcyF8Rwe0
Great video. One question though...what's the website address for the gearbox oil?
thanks try tritech lubricants www.datateck.com.au/Lube/TriTechAus/ or penrite www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/ you owe me a beer cheers
@@YepThatsIt Thanks a lot. Cheers 🍻
Too bad I cannot find my Clio 3 1.6 16V 82kw automatic car in order to find what oil my automatic gearbox needs 😔
I looked up the Haynes Clio Mk3 manual. Usually good info but all it says is to use Automatic Transmission Fluid! Asking for trouble! The Mk2 manual specifies Dex3
your help is needed please can you help me .
is this transmition repariable rebuilding cost expensive and where
hi, all are repairable. cheers
Does this gearbox has filter ?
hi, this trans needs disassembly to replace the filter. you can reverse flush it a bit if you remove valve body. often we install an inline filter in the cooling line and magnetic drain plugs to help keep it cleaner for longer. you can see how we do a incar reverse flush on a 6dct450 trans where the procedure is very similar th-cam.com/video/x7qqWIXO-MY/w-d-xo.html cheers
You should ONLY USE lt71141 fluid and nothing else in the al4 box and looking at the colour of that fluid ud say its been in a bit too long, and it could do with 3 more sucessive changes to get all the old stuff out for max life
no worries, thanks for that. cheers
There are many brands that have the AL4 (9730.AE) norm. Motul Multi Atf has it and is true full synthetic, Mobil is not. Renault has same AL4 Gearbox and recommend Elf. Total MVLV can be used also.
2009 mercedes V6 takes the cake for the most stupid way to check the trans level,all done through a digital display on the dash,it tells you it needs more fluid,but not how much, so err on the side of caution when refilling,the stink part is you have wait 15 min between rechecks whilst the computer does it thing for level checking.Took me an hour,whilst a dipstick takes 10 seconds.No wonder they lost the war.
Just changing the oil on the peugeot wouldnt have cleared the block filter,,maybe some compressed air through the cooler lines might have unblocked it then another oil change ?How did it go after your service ?
hi, if you cant replace filter, you would need to reverse flush the filter to be able to clear/clean it ( sometimes by removing valve body to access suction ports ) check out 9sp merc level check th-cam.com/video/AL8RLXz-i9M/w-d-xo.html cheers
is this a problematic automatic geatbox system...??im asking cuz i wanna to buy a renault megane coupe 2001 model ...
hi, all trans fail....trick is to keep them regularly serviced, add magnets and fit a bypass cooler. yo will then get max life and reliability. cheers
@@YepThatsIt hi add magnets where?
What's liters???
hi, you always go by measuring what comes out, but make sure you check as per manufacturers recommendation regarding temp etc. do not over fill as fluid will expand and can aerate causing issues. cheers
Actually it's only use 2.5~3 litres of ATF oil. 😊
hi, best to always check fluid level as per manufacturers instructions, there is no exact refill amount. cheers
AL4 service
yes
I have a big problem. When I drive the car at speeds of 90 km and above for 20 30 minutes, the transmission protects itself. 😭😭 How can I solve this shit problem mate? (Peugeot 307 al4)
hi, what do you mean protects itself? if you mean limp mode, then it could be an electrical issue. cheers
@@YepThatsIt The transmission downshifts from 4th gear to 3rd gear by itself mate. I changed the brake socket but the problem continues.
@@YepThatsIt ?? Mate could you help meee? Somebody said me the transmission pressure oil sensor is broken, that’s why limp mode. What do you think?
good day, can you help me, my car PEUGEOT 307 Automatic, when i shift gear to drive or reverse it doesn't move, instead it write " INFO PLACER BOITE" i don't even know the meaning of that, can you advice me
hi, try search on internet what that means. cheers