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This is the same content as my French channel but in English, not the best but English !
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Today we will watch together the Mastersounds FX.
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Thank you so much for taking the time to make an english version, really appreciate it!
Thank you so much for your support.
Hey man - just wanted to say a MASSIVE thank you for this review - the diagrams and explanation are really clear. It is quite a confusing piece of kit and I have been wondering about a few of the things you have addressed in this video. Many thanks!!
Thanks for your support. With pleasure. Feel free to ask for others questions.
Thank you for your trying English to explain. It's much appreciated and I can get what you mean. It's more important to be able to transmit ideas than have perfect diction. You transmitted very well. Thank you for trying even if you aren't sure if you were capable. You were capable my good fine sir. Cheers!
And you are warmly thanked for your kind words my good fine Sir, sure you do rapadidou didou. ( I hope you will have the reference 🤣 )
I only recently stumbled upon this channel and I would like to thank you for the amazing information. Do not worry about your English, everything is clear and understandable!
I currently have a setup with a Xone:92 and 2 XDJ-1000 Mk-2's and I am looking for an effects unit that works well with this while playing mostly techno. Do you think the Mastersounds FX is a good option or should I go for guitar pedals or perhaps an RMX instead? I tried the RMX-500 but for some reason I cannot get it to work properly.
A very big thanks for your feedback ! :-)
So, RMX-500/1000 will not work properly at 100% because you haven’t any dry/wet pot nowhere on it, everything goes into it, it was made for DJM and voila... :-/
But, you can use an EFX-500/1000, dry/wet on it, as well the Mastersounds FX ( you heard in the video what you will have ) because all the unit is wet so no problem ( you have to make the same diagram to plug it as my video said ), and of course pedal fx ( stereo ones and ones with dry/wet pots of course ).
Top 👍 merci pour le test ! Mais surtout pour le routage des câbles ! Tu crois pas que sur une MP2015, ça se branche classique (comme le Zen Delay de EricaSynth) entrée / sortie / 2 câbles…?
Tu as deux entrées et une sortie sur le Mastersounds FX.
Le send n’est que in, l’insert est in/out et sert de sortie principal.
Il te faut donc entrer partout.
Hi! I know this is an old video, but wondered if your cable diagram for the MP2014 would also work with an Ecler WARM 2? Also same to work with a Pioneer DJM750mk2?
Yes it can. The main idea :
- you have 2 send / return > go with Mastersounds diagram
- you have only one send / return or insert > go with my diagram
First of all, thank you for a great video. I have a Condesa Lucia with a FX send per channel level (post fader), RCA unbalanced output
FX return, stereo return to mix with fader, RCA unbalanced input. Im not sure if I can use the same set up as on your Rane 2014, but I was hoping to. However, I did not fully undestand your cable set up. Would it be possible, to please ask for a picture of the cables, splitters and conectors. It would be of massive help. Thanks.
( made a mistake in the video, at the end it’s TS and not TR cable )
Explanations :
pool380.seedbox.fr/files/index.php/s/S4FHAcamcmJaBNe
TRS cable exemple :
www.amazon.fr/dp/B083JHV774/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_1HSK6YA4X2WWVTH83ZJW
RCA cable exemple :
www.amazon.fr/dp/B01D5H8MKY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Y899SV8QY9RPQHSG4S36
RCA adaptor exemple :
www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GTN91PW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_CKBAFTAEM954XH7G4JX5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
TS cable exemple :
www.amazon.fr/dp/B07PPMXV28/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9W50YXHATQKW6YRZ7JGF?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@@DJSTUFF Thank you so much !! You are a star! Now I will try to get it all set up :)
Your welcome.
@@DJSTUFF hi, can I kindly ask you to upload a new explanation? that would be great. Merci ;)
@@DJSTUFF hi, the pic from the URL above is not available anymore. could u please provide a new explanation? thanks in advance, this would be very helpful...;)
excellent video, thanks for the different routing examples!
Thank you for your support.
Hi, is it possible to add this to the Pioneer V10? Specifically to one of the ext 1/2 send/return.
You can behind a insert, I showed this in my video, but of course it will be ok with a send / return, like a Mastersounds Radius etc or Xone:92.
The DJM-V10 has both so ok too.
@TheDJStuff - can you take a picture of your MP2015 wiring? I'm still a little confused by the diagram. It looks to me like it requires two sets of splitters? Splitter 1: Insert TRS Stereo-> S / R; and Splitter 2: Y-cable to split Aux Sends. But if this is the case, don't two of the splitter cables need female-to-female connectors to plug into each other? I'm confused about this. Of note I have a PX5, and wired it up like the Radius, with the Filter on the Insert via stereo TRS cables. I am curious about doing what you've done though.. as it would give me control over the efx Return volume.
very cool fx unit. also your english is much better than my french. bon video et explanation. merci!
Thank you for your feedback. :-)
Thank-you for the excellent review loved your style of presentation also your insight regarding the sends/returns.
Please keep doing the English reviews we need you. 🇬🇧🙏🏿
Thank you so so much for your kind message.
Good stuff. So with my xone 96 i will plug it in like a 92 and then have my bozure isolator on the master insert. That should work, correct ? This way i choose which channel gets the fx and the isolator is for everything? You can answer in french !
With the diagram for the Rane MP-2014, you can do it like you said, yes.
My brotha brotha, any chance you know if the ARS 9100 is compatible with the master sounds fx unit without creating all these crazy splitter connections?? I am in need of FX unit for my ARS 9100 badly!any help is greatly appreciate! Thank you
One send / return or insert = crazy spitter connexions 🤷♂️
Even Mastersounds doesn’t recommend this, only Mastersounds and Xone mixers.
Hi, does this work with the Xone pX5? . Would it have filter per channel? . Thanks!!!
Yes, if you make the same schema as the MP-2014 in my video. 👍
Thanks for this great post. I have a question that I was hoping you could answer 🙂
I have a Taula 2 rotary mixer with send on each channel and one return. Same as Condensa Lucia. I looked at the video where you draw up the connections. I have all the cable and have connected it. But the hipas/lowpas filter don't work. Do you know if it possible to get the hips/lowpas filter to work on the Taula?
Would be great if you have an answer 🙂All the best,
Frank
Try this :-)
pool380.seedbox.fr/files/index.php/s/sk7oMCQ3YfKTwXj
@@DJSTUFF Hi, yes I tried this. But the filter will not work?
As an owner of a xone 96 thus solved my issue having a high pass and a low pass capability, only better because it allows nice effects as an addition.
Crazy Unit.
I really liked this one, but I sold it because the delay’s feedback is not enough long for me.
But it’s a great unit.
@@DJSTUFF but is there a way to include a boss dd7 in the chain in order to increase the feedback in order to make that endless feedback loop?
Because the mastersounds fx Unit sounds great and give me the ability to incorporate a high pass filter and a low pass filter using my xone 96!
Something found on the playdifferently 1.4 only that mixers upfader curve is really bad but the xone is much better.
Maybe a custom mapping of a traktor kontrol x1 mk2 or mk3 to resemble the mastersounds fx Unit.
Great review. I can see this with dub or slower hip hop beats or maybe adding some life to Accapellas. I am struggling though to see how it can enhance thick or highly arranged house music. I wish they had put a phaser or flanger on it, but those require beat sync. Any recommendations for those effects? Thanks so much :)
They told me not but it seems to have a tempo detection as far as when I moved the pitch of my track the 1 beat of the FX still was 1 beat on an other tempo, so it seems.
Wonder if possible to (on 1 send return from mixer) make use of the fx and filter parts on same loop.
Send out from mixer > into fx.into filter> back to mixer?
I don’t understand your question, can you ask again precisely ? Thanks.
@@DJSTUFF the fx unit looks to have 2 parts...send/return and an insert filter.
Using both them in series on same send/return loop
I’ve done that like that typically in this video in fact.
Thank you for this tutorial! It helped me a lot with the decision to buy Mastersound FX unit. I have one question: I have an Ecler Nuo 2.0 with send/return I/O similar (at least apparently) to the Vestax mixer. So I guess I should use the same complex configuration. However, I also connected it differently, by simply plugging the INSERT I/O in the FX unit with send/return I/O in the mixer using two split cables (stereo jack -> RCA left/right). It works and sound is fine, but I wonder if I am missing something avoiding the more complex configuration used in the tutorial. What am I loosing by avoiding the connection with the RETURN in the FX unit?
Anyhow, I am very happy with my purchase and I love the sound and the control features of the FX unit... which I definitely recommend so far
Thank you for your support Matteo.
I think if every thing works fine for you ( like me in the video ) why would you change every thing ;-)
v2 of the mixer works differently. thats why it works the way you have it.
The 2nd Generation MasterSounds FX Unit keeps the original and muchloved feature set with it’s fantastic user experience and adds our
AUTO BPM feature on FX 8, plus the ability to use FX with DJ mixers
that have a send and return system. If nothing is plugged into the
AUX RETURN sockets on the rear of FX, then the PARAMETER control also
adjusts the level of FX added to the mix, meaning the effects and
filter can be used with mixers that don’t have an AUX send control
(with the addition of 2 x TRS splitter leads, sold separately
I wish they would of put a tap tempo for the delay but it’s still a very choice piece of gear!!!!!
Like I said in the video, they told me that there is no BPM counter but when you are at 120BPM for exemple, you have your delay at 1 beat, you move your pitch to 124BPM, the delay is broken few seconds and keep the 124BPM after : there is still no BPM counter ? 🤔
Hi, Mastersounds says it won't work with Xone 23. I see you have a Xone 23 on your shelf and wondering if you have tested with Xone 23?
Hello, my Xone:23 doesn’t work anymore.
But like my Rane MP-2014, same diagram, same cables, it works. :-)
The SECOND GEN FX UNIT will work...That's what I have my FX unit plugged into now.... ask Ryan to send you a diagrams.... its a really easy set up...
Yea I have the fx2 now and it works but also have the mastersounds 2v and my xone 23. Thanks
@@espresso1967 Nice! That's my next mixer... only issue I had with that FX and my 23 is that I personhood get FX on the right side... I swapped cables too and same issue.... Ryan and crew are awesome, they tested FX unit and it's fine... I think something just up with my 23....
Hello. It works with xone 23? Thank you !
Exactly the same.
The second gen FX unit will work with the xone 23/c fine..... ask Ryan at Mastersounds for the diagram...really simple set up
I have a Carmen V (rotary mixer)
I would love to know if it would be possible to link this up to it (and get all its features) you’re English is excellent!! Please keep on doing what you’re doing!
If you have the send/return per channel option ( 250$ in my memory ) you can do the same as my Rane MP-2014.
If not, by default, it’s only the loop master, so you can use the Mastersounds FX but only on the Master of your Carmen V.
Do you have any idea If this would work with a xone 62
I don’t remember what we have on a 62. But if you have a send/return like 92 it will work with Mastersounds wire diagram, if you have an insert it will work with my MP-2014 diagram. 👍
What’s the tune?
Like I said in the description, it’s from Native Instruments Maschine.
Yet to find a better vid on the ms fx unit, great work and many thanks. On the ARS Model 9100, would you use same as MP2014? Merci
Thanks for your support.
It’s better, with what I see, because on the MP-2014 you have only a send button, with your ARS Model 9100 you have send knob/volume control, way better.
The cables diagram will be the same as MP-2014.
@@DJSTUFF Many thanks i will try and give feedback. Merci
The Insert only seems to have worked, merci becoup.
Mmmm it’s strange because there is 2 input on the FX, one for insert ( filter part ) one for AUX ( FXs ) so you have to split your send.
Hi - does anyone know if I can use this FX unit with a Bozak AR4 mixer? Thanks
You only have a stereo TRS loop master. So same connexion as my Rane MP-2014 but its start and end with TRS.
Hi. Thank you for the very informative video. Do you think the Mastersounds FX work with a Rane Empath mixer? Would it be the same way you hook it up as the MP2014? Thanks again!
The Rane MP-2014 send/return is in RCA and the Empath one in JACK but the rest is the same, yes you can do pretty the same thing :-)
Merci!!!!! Bizarrement la version anglaise en terme de câblage est plus precise que la version en Français :)
Ahah mince, pourtant j'essaye de faire à peu près le même contenu sur chaque.
I don't understand how the filter section (which needs to run as an insert) works with mixers that do not have a master insert. I'd have thought that if you used a filter with a normal send/return loop, you'd hear the dry signal and the filtered signal together (like you do with a delay or reverb). But you're getting just the filtered signal on a mixer without a master insert. Could you explain how this works?
In this unit the rooting signal is like that :
- insert in > filter > insert out
- aux in > FXs > insert out
And all the FXs are wet, no dry/wet pots, always wet, so the can be applyed on any music with great result.
But this system, to work well, needs two send or two aux output, one to go to the insert, the other to go to the aux part.
It’s for that reason I explained how did I manage my Rane MP-2014 to have two separete sends to work like that.
Mastersounds have in their mixers only a loop and send-aux/return, and made this unit working with that, but I prefer tell that the best experience will be with two send/return because with just a loop master + aux/send you can’t apply a filter on only one channel, all channels go to filter in this case.
With two send/aux you can choose whitch channel goes to filter or to FXs.
But how do you use the filter with just a send/return? I watched the MasterSounds FX demo with the Xone 92 (which does not have a master insert) and whenever they use the filter, they turn the channel level to zero so you don't hear the original signal in the mix. I don't see you doing that in this video. Yet when you demonstrate the filters, you hear just the filtered sound without the original signal. And when you use the effects, you hear the original signal plus the effects. How do you do that with a mixer like the MP2014 which only has a send/return and no master insert?
Because I split my only one send/return to two send/return so I can do the same, just a Y cable.
I explain that in the video, I showed my split cables plan.
And keep in mind that the Mastersounds FX effects are just wet so you don’t have the bad thing original track + filtered track + effects + phasing.
Hmm... I still don't get it. I understand that you split your send/return into two, but that still only gives you two send/returns (and no inserts) like the Xone 92. A send/return has two separate audio signals: the original signal which is sent to the effect, and the returned signal which comes back from the effect. This is true even if the returned signal is fully wet. In the Xone 92 demo, they turn the channel level down and set the fx send to pre-fader so that you only hear the filtered audio and not the original track. You don't do that in your demo and somehow still only get the returned signal. But I've taken up enough of your time. I will check out the MP2014 manual for more info. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
There is two ways to understand this.
First, in my video, I told that we listen a little bit of some fx, like delay, so you have the filter and little delay on the back. But, in one of the reverb fx, there is a good trick, you can have only the filter when the reverb pots are at zero. So you have only the filter.
Second, to not have this « problem » ( it’s not a problem, just a wish ), I made myself a passive volume between my MP-2014 and the Mastersounds FX, to simulate a send ( like a Xone for exemple ), so I have the same behavior that the Mastersounds mixers or Xone one.
Passive volume just for the AUX, so just for the FX part, not the filter.
You can see this here :
instagram.com/p/BsT6SECHpPg/?igshid=3oompfiyvvxq
Great video and review! Thank you!
Thanks for your support Terry.
Good review - thank you.
Thank you for your support.
Thanks for a really great review and really helpful diagrams. I'm still confused by the signal routing though! I'm looking to pair this with a Formula Sound FF4.2 and that has a proper insert section so I'm guessing I use the insert send/return to the "insert" sockets on the FX and then send Aux 1 to the "Aux Return" sockets on the FX? With these connections, I don't have to use a channel for the FX return (like on the Xone 92). Have I got this right?
Not confused any more! The LPF/HPF filter works over the mix so the send from the insert sockets sends the whole mix to allow you to apply the filter and distortion to the mix.. The 8 different FX work on whatever channel you want to send via your Aux so that goes via your Aux send from your mixer to to the aux return on the unit (why they called it that, I don't know!). Those two inputs are summed up inside the unit and sent back to the mixer via the insert return to go into the master mix signal path. That's a crazy way to do it when you can just let it have a send and return, but still a cool piece of kit.
Yup, on this unit AUX is just send ( and then goes to INSERT ). INSERT is a send return.
But in your case you should take the 2 AUX on your mixer instead of AUX + INSERT.
With the solution, you can choose the channel for your filter AND the channel for a FX.
Because you have a level for send, but not for return, so return always on, so the insert part of the FX always return, so when you engage a aux part, it will always return. :-)
TheDJSTUFF Hi, just watched the video again with the sound on! Thank you once again for explaining so clearly (especially in a foreign language). Really appreciate this video 👍🏻
Bonjour, could you please share the exact cable and adapter configuration you have used for the Rane? I get the diagram but it seems like there are A LOT of splitters and adapter pieces necessary to get this to work. Also: How on earth did you figure out how to connect this?
Just analyzed what I have to do to work with my Rane MP-2014 🤷♂️
You have to remember that the fx part is only wet and is only in. And the insert part is in/out.
This is the solution :
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@@DJSTUFF thank you for the very quick reply and great photo diagram. How on earth did you find out how to do this? 😅
Reto Zimmermann You have to make 2 with 1, just Y solutions :-)
Just brought one of these brand new for £395 from ebay...what a steal....
The sound is amazing
Isn’t it :-)
@@DJSTUFF I'm going to go through your tutorial with my fx unit tonight to learn the FX unit faster...
You could, but don’t worry it’s easy, discover by yourself first ;-)
@@DJSTUFF I had a play around the other night but I only worked out the echo/delay and the high and low cut are easy coz they work on buttons lol...
I remember stuff better visually instead of the long way of working it out my self...
I had the korg kaoss pad 3 before but it didn't work properly with the mastersounds 4V....
Try the Erica synths zen delay ... way cheaper easier to hook up and just as good ... probably better
Awesome effect unit, i would know if is possibile to use an analogic pedal to this one and than reterun the sound in the mixer hahaha
Depends on the mixer but most of the time you can add yes. Pedal > mastersounds or mastersounds > pedal
@@DJSTUFF is a xone px5
Same diagram as my Rane MP-2014.
@@DJSTUFF i see, the only change is that i want to use a nux tape echo ndd7 linked in the fx before to return of the mixer, i think that is possibile.
your english is great, understood everything. Excellent video, very much appreciated, chapeau!!
Thank you very much for your kindness.
@@DJSTUFF Thanks for the great channel!
I love the sound of the Mastersounds FX but im concerned about the routing. I have an MP2015 and it looks very difficult to connect, does it work ok?
It worked on my MP-2014, did it ? :-)
So it will be the same on MP-2015, you have just to buy good wires 👍
We can speak about it by mail or phone if you want to be reassured.
@@DJSTUFF I just put together a diagram which sets out the routing but I think it got taken down because it had a link in it. Is there somewhere I can send you a link? you might find it useful to share if people ask you for it again.
Send me it at leo(at)djstuff(dot)fr
Thanks !
I'm about to buy a Mastersounds FX but can you tell me if and how I can connect it to my Xone PX5 mixer? Thank you!
Hi, like the Rane MP-2014 diagram in the video. :-)
TheDJSTUFF thank you for your reply! The PX5 has an insert and a send/return. Isn’t the connection not the same as on the 96 then?
Oh, sorry for my last information, didn’t remember this. So you can do like a Xone:96, but like I said in the video, I don’t really like this diagram because you can apply fx on all channels, you have the choice because the fx part goes to send then aux, but you can’t choose any channel for the filter part, all channel go into it.
But you have filter on the PX5 on each channel already so perhaps it’s not a big deal.
You can decide.
But both diagram is possible :-)
The px5 uses inserts only for effects ... so you will be disappointed and it’s only on master and only dry/insert ... no wet. The built in effects on the px5 are awesome already ... I have one
@@Iron883NZ you have a send/return and an master insert on the PX5 but it doesn’t matter for me since I’ve bought the 96 :-) The PX5 is nice but everywhere I dj there’s a 92, 96 or a 900NXS2 mixer. That’s why I changed the mixer
Thanks!
Thanks for watching !
Can I use this with my xone 23?
Yes, of course, like the Rane MP-2014, same cables with the send/return in rca for the Xone-23.
Hi, Mastersounds says it won't work with Xone 23. I see you have a Xone 23 on your shelf and wondering if you have tested with Xone 23?
Nice, I have the Rane Mp2014 mixer as well. Now using it with a Boss dd7 delay fx. But this Mastersounds fx looks and sounds so much better. Time to order one. What do you think about the filter in the mastersounds fx unit in comparison to the Rane filter?
The filter is also good in the Mastersounds FX. But the Rane one kills all freq. in the end of the curve and I like so much this particularity !
In the Mastersounds FX you can do cool tricks with the fx + filter, the combination, filter on or filter off, it’s pretty cool.
If you are ready to take it, send me a mail at leo(@)djstuff(.)fr, I will tell you a good thing to use the Rane and the FX perfectly, a little project I have those days ;-)
first ask Mastersounds if this FX is compatible with your mixer. Apparently my ARS9000 is not compatible with this FX.
I can explain to you booth what to do to make this compatible, I’ve done this for my Rane and you watched in this video that everything is fine ;-) my mail is on my previous message.
Bonjour, merci pour ce review. Petite question, est que c’est possible de le connecter à une DJR200?
Il y a un send/return sur le master, donc oui, mais tu ne pourras pas choisir la voie qui ira dedans, tout le master ira dedans.
TheDJSTUFF donc je dois faire la même configuration que sur la Rane?
Exactement.
Hi Guys,
I recently bought the Condesa EQ/ISO (with fx sends/returns) and I also have this MS FX unit. Which cables would I need?
Greatly appreciate all the knowledge in this channel.
What is the entire reference of your Condesa ?
TheDJSTUFF I think I got it, it’s going to be the same as the RANE, basically appreciate your help!!! Couldn’t have done it without this!!!
Your welcome :-)
I couldn’t make it work I followed everything step by step, where do you think I could be going wrong?
I will send a little picture from here later in the day when I will have time.