I look at it as Tomlin almost LOST that Super Bowl. No way should such an inferior Cardinals team have been leading so late into the fourth quarter. Steelers' individual talents, not the coaching pulled that game out.
Just like Steve Kerr! Jerry West and Mark Jackson developed Klay and Steph and handed over a loaded championship ready team. Mark Jackson got so screwed. Anyways, that Stealers team was stacked and a very well run franchise 💯
@@ButterGram I think he’s a players’ coach, too. Never hear of any quarrels or spats. I imagine they’ve vouched for him a lot. Coach-owner relationship is vital, too. Billicheck would’ve been long gone with Tomlinson’s record, they were NOT besties hahaha
tomlin will coast into the hall of fame or some shit for never having a losing record even if a significant number of years they barely passed .500 and got knocked out of the playoffs instantly he was never a truly great coach, he was horrible at managing egos which blew up great steeler teams through the years, and he lucked out early on to have some of the most talented players in steelers history that didn’t need a ton of coaching anyway. also, frankly, he’s black and the media has a hard on for inflating the careers of black people in these fields.
Thank God he's finally being rightfully critized. This guy has been coasting off massive talent his GM has given him for his entire coaching career. He won one ring with Bill Cowher's team and also owes it in part to Bernard Pollard injuring Tom Brady. Imagine having nearly a decade of Ben, Brown, and Bell all in their primes plus a top 10 defense and o line nearly very year during that same time and making one super bowl.
Don’t forget 3 likely future HOF offensive linemen David DeCastro, Marquis Pouncy, and the legendary 6’9” decorated Army Ranger Captain who completed 3 tours of Afghanistan before becoming an NFL pro bowler, Alejandro Villanueva! 🫡
Agreed Sir. Tomlin is overrated. That year he went running his yap with the media about New England, overlooking JAC and got boat raced at home by Blake Bortles. Shameful
“I don’t think he’s a great coach at all. He’s a nice coach; he’s really a cheerleader, but I don’t know what he does. I don’t think he’s a great coach.” -a winner.
At the time that Terry uttered those words, those of us who are Black thought that was a statement that was racist, but upon further examination, no truer words could have been spoken. Mike Tomlin quite frankly lacks the necessities to be a HC at the NFL level, I’m sure he’s a great man, husband, father and he definitely knows football but he CANNOT COACH FOOTBALL!!! He’s a cheerleader
I used to be an ardent Tomlin supporter. But that Cleveland playoff game broke me. I finally began to see all the criticisms of him were true. Under achieving during the regular season (except for 2020), and not being prepared come playoff time. It happens every year and all he has to offer is empty platitudes and rhetoric, which the media loves. He once said, “I have the best job in sports.” Well of course he does. Imagine having a job with zero accountability, and a host of media willing to defend you when you fail. I’d call that a dream job too. You said it best, he loses when it matters most and never gets called out for it. Just compare him to Mike McCartthy a guy who’s guided his team to three straight 12-5 seasons and lost in the first round of playoffs every year. He’s on the hot seat, at least according to the media. Why is he treated differently? Is the never losing season thing? Because they both won a Super Bowl.
The standards for these things like Halls of Fame have changed in the past 10-15 years or so. With that in mind he may just make it in. Not that I disagree with you.
No hes not. He hit the lotto when the Steelers hired him. Hes the biggest fraud in football. If he got hired by any other team he would have been canned 10 years ago. Hes worse than Marvin Lewis
Steelers havent wom a plsyoff game in about ten years thats how terrible these idiots are now. They have totally become apathetic and tolerant of losing.
LOL I hate both teams. But I am steelers defector (born and raised) because they are implicit with losing. So I root for their failures in the most hilarious and extreme ways possible. Tho I cannot bring myself to root for the Ravens LOL. You guys have a strong shot this year tho. Good luck!
Ya, you were shaking in your boots that we didn't see you in the playoffs. I think over the 4 years we are 7-1 over you guys.... As a Steelers fan I have hate but respect for the Ravens. I never want to see you win but I like that we both play some of the most competitive within an organization of all time. With that being said, I have total hate and disdain for the Browns and Cowboys. Seeing them both lose in the playoffs this past weekend was satisfying enough for me to not be so disgruntled about our failed attempt and loss to the Bills.
@@skap_attack The Steelers have ALWAYS been one of the NFL's "darling franchises" that can do no wrong and get break after break from the league. The refs always favor them, they get multiple primetime home games year after year, and their players can do whatever and get a slap on the wrist (Big Ben). So Tomlin is trash if he can't win with those advantages. But they won't fire him. It would look bad for the franchise that forced The Rooney Rule upon the NFL to fire a black coach. Good. Suffer, Rooney's!
Its insane that the NFL report cards show the players regularly giving the Rooney's an F on the Ownership question while people like David Tepper only get a D-. The rest of the report card also shows how cheap ownership can be as it comes in the bottom half for things like training, family support, and travel.
I can't thank you enough for this video. As a Steeler fan for decades, this issue has been bothering me. I was own of the very few who wanted Bruce Arians to take over..but... Credit to Tomlin's Superbowl win should go to Bill Cowher. The standards has really fallen. Chuck Noll (continue to Rest in Peace Emperor Chaz) would probably be seething in his grave.
Non-Steelers fan here: I have nothing but respect for the organization, but they’re a far cry from what they were built upon and yes, it does start with Tomlin. He has done nothing to keep the team relevant, the team hasn’t developed their young players like teams past. It’s just a sideshow now. There is no way a player like Pickens could have behaved the way he has under Cowher or Knoll. No way! Change definitely seems necessary.
Pickens, Bell, Juju, AB. he constantly ignored and deflected and undermined the chaos they created. I will not say that Tomlin made them cancer but he certainly enabled the cancer
Hit the nail on the head. I constantly hear “He’s a SB winning coach!” He legitimately stepped into the best position any head coach has in NFL history. He inherited a team that won a Super Bowl 2 years prior, with a future HOF QB not even in his prime yet, and the #1 Defense in the league. He won a SB with a team that he did not build or mold. It was a team that already had veterans who had what it took to win the big game. Then you constantly hear “Never had a losing season!” No, just a whole lot of underperforming/mediocre ones, and only won 3 play off games in 13 years.. with one of them being a game where Cinci snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and outright handed Pittsburgh the W. Not saying he’s a “bad” NFL coach but he is EXTREMELY overrated
Everyone needs a friend like Stephen A Smith. You can have a losing season, suck at your job, commit a crime and as long as you're black, Stephen A Smith will brush all of that off and support you lol. Tomlin hasn't been as good as a coach as everyone is giving him.
Wow... This is the best video I've seen regarding Tomlin. I've been a Steeler Fan since 72. When Franco just got there and to see how Tomlin is just raking us through the mud, it's just disgraceful for the last 8 years. I've been wanting them to get rid of him, but. I know how the Steelers are. They don't get rid of anybody. It's. It's to their detriment to be so loyal. Thank you for this video. I'm glad someone could see what all Steelers fans are seeing, and it's really ashamed....😔
This video was made and posted a year ago? Well it still applies on Jan 7, 2025! We need a new head coach here in Pittsburgh and a good house cleaning! Tomlin can not get us to the Superbowl, let alone win it!
If the media is defending someone you know they are probably garbage. I can't wait to see Lamar Jackson play this weekend... I will laugh so hard if he loses.
YOU ARE PREACHING NOW! Stand by for a Lamar video in 3....2....1....IF he GAGS at home off the bye to a rook QB. I am the BIGGEST Stroud guy there is this weekend. I might get a Stroud TAT if he takes care of business for me.
@@skap_attack Last year, I talked all kinds of smack on Jordan Love...I take it all back. I was wrong. He might even be my favorite player now since he cowboyed DEM COWBOYS!!!
I can't see Lamar losing in these playoffs under Todd Monken they are peaking at the right time and with the most dominant defence in football under Mike MacDonald
Tomlin has got to go. Are they going to create a new category for a "great coach" in the NFL. The most winning seasons. Well ain't that a hoot. Remember tomlinites, this season started with Mikey T getting out coached at home by a good team, and ended with this team getting out coached by a good team. Everyone in the AFC North has won a playoff game since the Steelers did it last. If this guy sticks around,it will be a lot more of the same. Sick.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 if people say the same about gruden then it applies to tomlin. But let me guess since hes black ur not gonna apply the same standard....
I've been a Steelers fan since 06. I'm going to say what most won't. He should have been fired after losing to Tim Tebow in the playoffs. The only reason he got those 2 SB appearances(1 SB win) is cause he was left with Bill Cowher team(coaches and players). Once everyone left or got old, we haven't done anything meaningful since. We lost are Steel Curtain mindset and honestly I can't even watch a full game. Hopefully Russell Wilson redeems himself. Best thing MT did was get Minkah Fitz and bring in Flores.
I remember the Steelers from the 60's. They sucked, but they weren't an embarrassment. Tomlin's an embarrassment and his team is playing down to his incompetence. Rooney needs to sell his team to someone who cares about the fans and has the kahoonas to fire the fraud head coach and his entire coaching staff, and hire the right people to bring the franchise back to glory.
The pontificating is absolutely incredible from a dude who won a Super Bowl in his SECOND season, and only three TOTAL playoff games the last 13 years.
I love how the media targets coaches like McCarthy, Harbaugh or Sean McDermott. Demanding they all be fired after their most recent playoff failures, yet Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in 8 years with 4 straight one and done playoff losses. Yet no one in the media is calling for Tomlin to be fired??? Funny how that works
I never liked Tomlin. He inherited Cowher's team to win the Super Bowl and has not utilized the talented player he had for all those years. Ben should have had a few more super bowls at least. Bring the Whiz back
The national media loves him and the local media won’t criticize him because apparently they are “scared” of him. Also the Steelers are too loyal. Tomlin is an average coach
I think Tomlin, McCarthy and Tomlin are great coaches and none of them should have been fired. Cowher had a few losing seasons and was also a great coach.
Lmaooo Bruce Arians is getting the credit?? Yeah he won a SB with Tampa as head coach but that was after they signed Tom Brady, the same Tom Brady that made Bellichik's losing/failure of a head coaching career up to 2001 all of a sudden look like the greatest Head Coaching resume ever for about 20 years
Calling a coach that regularly gets his guys to the postseason a fraud is wild, but consistent early exits in the playoffs are legitimate reason for a coach to lose his job in any sport. Especially with THAT many shots at it, and a coach free agent market that includes Harbaugh and Belichick.
Tomlin is a good coach its just time to move on. I can appreciate when its time to move on but i think guys are crazy. Im a lions fan MFErs don't appreciate anything. Id kill to have had the Tomlin era in Detroit.
Overrated Barry Switzer at best is mediocre Mike Tomlin. The great franchise of Pittsburgh covered this man’s inconsistencies for a long time. It’s all out now !!
They just cannot get out of their own way. He just informed the organization he would be back. HE TOLD THEM! After winning 3 playoff games in 3 years...
Been a steelers fan most of my life. Seen some great teams. Great players great coaches. This isn't it. No question tomlin is a great man. But he's not a good coach. He proves that on a weekly basis. Lose to teams bellow you. Get blown out by the actual good teams. As long as his ego stays this team will never see postseason success. Ain't gonna happen. Steelers will het blown out this year and maybe ppl will start to look at the numbers and realize just how bad of a coach he actually is. Again not to say he isn't a good man. He cares about his players and his players love him but hily shit.. how does he still have a job? Cordell Paterson returns kicks like cmon.
Not gonna pretend that Tomlin's coaching record been great in the playoffs last several seasons, but I'm shocked hes even coached some of those Steelers teams to the postseason. He had like 4-5 BACK UP Quarterbacks starting after they moved on from Roethlisberger & the front office has done a MEDIOCRE job at best in supplying him with good to elite talent. They literally held on to their best players too long or trade/let them walk for a pack of Skittles. I dont even know how he's managed to NOT have a losing season over the years. We've seen way more talented teams perform worse week end & week out. Therefore to call him a FRAUD is a out of pocket. No one had any real expectations for these Steelers & if you say so, youre lying 😂.
By all accounts, I think he's a good man. Definitely somebody you'd want in your corner on a personal level for this journey called life. Unfortunately, he (along with some of the front office) has been underwhelming for the majority of his tenure. At times, you'll see sparks of greatness. But he's just never been able to piece it all together on a consistent basis.
@@jamesdjl4359being a good guy isn’t enough for an nfl head coach. Who else keeps their job year after year of failures because “they’re a good man”. It’s laughable
Someone is only a fraud if they personally go around claiming to be something they are not. So if other people misplace their own beliefs upon them they are not frauds people just need to mind their own business.
Didn't they win a Super Bowl with him and make it to 2?? Also how was it ALWAYS the standard until he got there when from 1980 to 2005 they won 0 super bowls and made it to just 1 Super Bowl and this was without Tomlin. Also Bill Cowher, like Tomlin, won 1 super bowl and made it to 2 with the Steelers but he was part of the WINNING STANDARD??
#1 Tomlin going only 8-10 in the playoffs versus cower going 12-9 is highly misleading. If you take the 2005 season that the steelers won the superbowl in context you can see just how easily cower ends up with the same record except worse than tomlin if the refs, err, steelers didn't go on the most improbable (dirty) superbowl run in nfl history at that time as the 6th seed who had to destroy the career of an 05 mvp candidate, Carson Palmer, by destroying his leg on the second play of the game with an obviously dirty hit, getting the colts on the only bad day they had that year and still needing the most accurate kicker of all time to miss a field goal to win, beating a vastly overated broncos team in the afc championship and winning a totally fair and not rigged superbowl which still to this day is argued over as the second most rigged superbowl of all time second only to superbowl 3. If the steelers didn't destroy one of the best QB's in the leagues knee in that first playoff game, cower ends his career with a, well what do you know, a 8-10 playoff record. Except Cower, unlike Tomlin, wouldn't have a superbowl ring. If there ever has been a rigged playoffs to get a team to win (for bettis, for cower) the 05 playoff run of the steelers is still considered the closest example of it. #2 To say that tomlin winning one less division title than cower helps to prove that cower was a vastly superior coach is laughable. Yes, cower has one more div. title but lets look at the competition each coach faced. During cowers tenure, his division opponents went a total of 398-481-1 combined with a win percentage of .453. Yet, tomlins tenure saw a combined opponents record of 395-423-7 with a win percentage of .483. It doesn't sound like much but those 3 points are huge, especially when you consider that in the 2017 and 18' seasons the Browns had a combined 1-31 record. Cut those two seasons for the browns out and you have a over .500 win percentage. However, that is not the best point to come from my analysis. For cower, from 92'-06' his division opponents had a winning record only twice and neither of those years(99' and 06') did cower win the division. Yet, During Tomlins tenure, the steelers division had a winning record SEVEN times and the steelers won the division TWICE in those seven years! So, not a single time did cower win the division when it had a winning record but Tomlin did it TWICE, and both of those years (14' and 20') the AFC North was the best division in football with a win record, both years of 38-25-1 (.603). So while yes, tomlin is down one to cower, i would argue that Tomlin did it against tougher opponents, finishing with a higher win percentage than cower and winning the best division in football twice compared to cower not doing it at all. #3 cower doesn't have basically the same win%, he has a worse win percentage by 1 point plus tomlins won 24 more games that cower. why did cower retire anyway? Oh yeah, thats right, that steelers team that was soo "plush" with talent went 8-8 in their last season under bill cower coming fresh off that superbowl win. The same squad that won the superbowl (minus bettis) barely scraped buy a .500 season with the legendary bill cower until tomlin came along and went 10-6 and 12-4 in those first two seasons with that same squad??? this is also forgetting that over a 3 year span teams can change dramatically. Drafts and trades and retirements. So this idea that Tomlin won because of what cower built is a bad argument at best and reaching for straws. #4 The idea that Cower just didn't have talent at the QB position is simply wrong. Both O'Donnell and Stewart were ProBowl Quarterbacks While Maddox was the 02 comeback player of the year leading the steelers to a 10-5-1 record of which he was 10-3-1 and they almost went to the afc championship that year save for a overtime field goal loss the the Tennessee Titans. People also forget, Big Ben might have been a good quarterback but he had a ton of struggles Himself with the motorcycle wreck, his trouble with women and legal woes. Along with that, if you do the same math with Ben as i did with cower you will find that abscent that dubious 05 superbowl run Big Ben would have ended his career with a playoff record of 9-11 and only one superbowl as nobody questions the steelers run to the superbowl in 07 (just the win). Ben had problems performing too. Yes, ben was better than the other list of QB's but to throw everything on tomlin is shady at best. Don't forget, in 2010 Ben was suspended for the first 6 games where the steelers went 5-1 without him and 7-3 after his return. These are just a few of the issues with this video. I could go on but ive spent way too much time on this already. To sum things up: Tomlin won more against tougher division opponents and has no shadow of "rigged" allegations over his superbowl win and he has yet to walk away. Remember, cower was facing these same arguments the offseason before he finally won the superbowl. Everyone seems to forget.
BOOM! And nobody better say "Cowher made those QBs pro-bowlers" because those are the same people that say Tomlin having the 3rd most pro-bowlers is a DETRIMENT.
Tomlin has done nothing in the league since Cower's roster thinned out on him. The Steelers could have had 3 Super Bowls with Rothlisberger, Bell, and Brown if anyone other than Tomlin was the coach.. the fact that he botched winning with those guys is insanity.
So the man has coached for what 16 years has never had a losing season, wins a Super Bowl, coaches the team to another Super Bowl...but sucks because he couldn't take a team with Mason Rudolph past the Bills. The Steelers have won two Super Bowls since the 70s and Tomlin has won one of them.
Part 2: On Mike Tomlin - If Tomlin sucks, then your coach sucks too. Want proof? Cowher was just as big a disappointment. Cowher got to just as many super bowls as Tomlin did, won just as many SBs as Tomlin did, he took CHOKED several big playoff games (losing to Drew Bledsoe in 2001 is borderline unforgivable given how bad Bledsoe was under pressure throughout his career). Cowher, unlike Tomlin, had losing seasons. Tomlin has 7 division titles to Cowher's 8 division titles, but I'd argue that Tomlin's division has been HARDER to win than Cowher's was during his time in Pittsburgh. Cowher is 12-9 compared to Tomlin's 8-10 but that is literally the difference between one good playoff one in which you make a conference title game and a couple one-and-done years. The TOTAL empirical difference between Cowher and Tomlin is MARGINAL at best. They both won one close SB. They both lost one close SB. And here's where i REALLY feel like your argument doesn't work: NFL COACHES in GENERAL ARE OVERRATED. QBs are more important than the coach. If Tomlin had Brady, he'd have 8 Super Bowls and look like a genius. Before Brady, Belichick had FOUR LOSING SEASONS in 5 years for a Browns team that, contrary to popular opinion, was ACTUALLY GOOD before Bill got there. They had made the playoffs 4 out of the previous 6 seasons before Bill got there. They have a TOP 6 WIN % of any franchise of the LOADED 80s. They were NOT perennial losers before Bill got there; Belichick is the one THAT STARTED THE CHRONIC LOSING IN CLEVELAND. Before Brady IN New England, Belichick took a team that made the Super Bowl with Parcells (the real genius, not Belichick), and was .500 or BETTER under Pete Carroll, that HAD NOT HAD A LOSING SEASON in FOUR YEARS, to 5-11 and then 0-2 with the highest paid QB in the NFL, Drew Bledsoe. With Brady IN New England, after they became a dynasty, the ONLY season they didn't win the division? Brady was hurt in 2008/09. THe ONLY season they didn't make it to the playoffs after their 2nd SB win in 3 years? Brady was hurt in 2008/09. After Brady IN New England, Belichick put up 3 LOSING SEASONS in 4 years, with the WORST OFFENSE the NFL has seen in over a DECADE. That's how putrid NE's current offense ranks. With Brady? The highest PPG AVERAGE in NFL HISTORY of any QB at 28 PPG. Belichick is 84 - 103 WITHOUT Brady. He has ZERO DIVISION TITLES in 11 seasons without Brady. ZERO. Point. ZERO. He has ONE PLAYOFF WIN IN 11 SEASONS WITHOUT BRADY. 1. Far, far, worse than Tomlin. Harbaugh was going 7-9 without Lamar. Get's Lamar and is now contending for Super Bowls. Yes he won a Super Bowl, but he won that SB on the back of RAY LEWIS and Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs, 3 HOF caliber defensive STUDS, and Flacco going Super Saiyan during that run (which i REFUSE to ascribe to Harbaugh given his inability to coax anything near that kind of performance from Flacco thereafter). By your criteria, I'd argue Harbaugh is overrated. (Unless you think Lamar is overrated and Harbaugh is actually carrying him, which i bed to differ). Bruce Arians. He had ONE good run with Carson Palmer, got blown out by Cam Newton. Was below .500 every season in Tampa as QB "guru" until he got THE GOAT to win him his lone ring after Brady put up 4 straight 30+ point playoff games (all on a torn MCL). No Brady = NO RING FOR ARIANS. Give Tomlin Brady and he looks like a genius too. Lets see. Andy Reid is exempt. He's a LEGIT genius level head coach. Won with everybody. So good, people thought Kevin Kolb was a franchise QB lol. So good, he made Alex Smith look like a borderline Pro Bowl QB. Has OWNED the AFC West since he arrived AFTER OWNING the NFC East with McNabb. Reid is a legit top 10 coach all time. Sean Payton had several below .500 seasons in Brees's PRIME because he couldn't fix their defense. Good coach, but he made one Super Bowl, won 1, and hasn't been back since. Tomlin at LEAST made it back twice. Dan Whittaker in Detroit is doing some great things but its still too early. Ditto for Indy. Ditto for Ryans in Houston. LaFleur has to MAKE it to a SB first. He's looking really good so far with how he's coached up Love. McCarthy? LOL. He is an even bigger representative of your thesis than Tomlin is! He has LOTS of talent and chokes every year with ROGERS (who is better than Big Ben) and now Dak. Sirianni? This years collapse is telling. Washington? Lol. Giants? Lol. Minnesota? Too early to tell. Chicago? We shall see. Vegas? Inept ownership (could really apply for most of the teams in the league TBF). Chargers? Staley is garbage but Herbert is also a choker. Bengals coach? Missed playoffs with Burrow. Can't seem to fix the offensive line. Without Burrow, he hasn't won anything. And we shall see if he can really coach now that he has to lose one of boyd or Higgins. Stefanski? He's a good coach. Beat Tomlin head to head with Baker only to LOSE to a ROOKIE CJ Stroud - which only reinforces my point: QBS are wayyyyyy more important in terms of winning/losing games than the head coaches. Wake up guys. Stefanski just got OUTCOACHED by a rookie HC in Demeco Ryans and a rookie QB. Pederson? He has a SB ring but missed the playoffs with Trevor Lawrence after a bad collapse to the season. Got fired from Philly after hitching his wagon to a BAD carson wentz. It's ALMOST AS IF GOOD COACH cannot CONSISTENTLY out perfom BAD QB play. Hmmm, notice a theme here? Nick Foles, plays out of his MIND in the 2017 playoffs. They hand the keys to Wentz, he craps the bed, can't read a defense, panicks under pressure. The result? Pederson gets fired. Perhaps if Pederson had CJ Stroud instead of Wentz, he'd still be in Philly right now racking up wins. Pete Carroll. How many playoff wins does he have since 2014? See...I'm making sense now. Cardinals coach? Too early to tell. Sean McVeigh? ELITE. Took Goff to the Sb. And then WON the Sb with a better QB in Stafford. Still remains to see what he can do once the Rams core gets too old and Donald and Kupp fall off. But he's EASILY a top 5 coach in the NFL NO QUESTION. Losing season last year was a blemish (5-13) but perhaps COACHING IN GENERAL IS OVERRATED. Why? LAST season, the Rams were BAD. They were the first defending Super Bowl champion to finish with a losing record since the 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the first defending Super Bowl champion to miss the playoffs since the 2016 Denver Broncos. To add to all those struggles, the Rams went 1-7 on the road for the first time since 2011, when the team was still based in St. Louis. That's bad bro. But he gets a pass for that season because of the incredible work he did all the seasons before as well as getting the team to recover the 2nd half of this season and perform better. Kyle Shannahan? ELITE. He has one SB under his belt and several conference title games. Matt Ryan looked like Dan Marino under Kyle and they were one 2nd half collapse from winning the 2015 SB in large part to his work as offensive coordinator (until his IDIOTIC playcalling cost them in the 2nd half). He took Jimmy G, an average QB to the SB. Something similar to McVeigh with Goff at the time (Goff has since improved). Shanahan, however, before he got Purdy had a LOSING RECORD IN San Francisco without Jimmy G. He's missed the playoffs in San Fran with his starting QB injured. Tomlin has gotten his team to the playoffs MULTIPLE times with his starting QB injured. Shanahan is a top 5 coach but can he PLEASE win a Super Bowl first before he starting crowning him as the next offensive Einstein? McVeigh has earned it, Shanahan has to seal the deal. So how many coaches can we reasonably say are better than Tomlin right now? Andy Reid McVeigh Shanahan MAYBE Pete Carroll Tomlin is BETTER THAN HARBAUGH: 18-15 vs Harbaugh, including wins with BACKUP QBs. Give Tomlin Brady, or Stafford, or a LEGIT QB and he can work wonders. Big Ben was washed his last 4 seasons and Tomlin paid the price for sticking with a QB who was already past his prime and fat and out of shape. Guess what? Tomlin has a FAR better win % without Big Ben than Belichick has without Brady AND McVeigh has with his backup AND Kyle Shannahan has with his backup. Only Reid has a better win % than Tomlin (over at least a 10 game sample size) without his starting QB. Like I said, it's not a BAD video, just a whole INCOMPLETE video. You are holding Lamar and Tomlin to a HIGHER standard than the media is holding several other coaches and players past and present. Such as Peyton Manning, who ESPN had the audacity to name the most DOMINANT football player of the century in 2016 lol, go look it up; or Sean Payton, who was never on the hot seat despite three consecutive 7-9 subpar seasons with PRIME Brees (although I do give credit to Payton for maximizing Brees's talent and enhancing Brees after a serious shoulder injury). LOVE your channel, LOVE your work, will still be your biggest fan on here, but i stand by criticisms. The two videos aren't terrible, but they are NOT contextualized anywhere near well enough for my liking. My guess is he probably has to win a playoff game next season or he's out depending on how the season goes. You're still the TH-cam GOAT!
McVeigh does some boneheaded things too. You think he could've used those timeouts he wasted, one in the first few minutes of the third q? BB took Mac to the playoffs after losing the best QB ever who's been in the fabric of the team for a decade+. McVeigh still had his QB the next few seasons and all I heard is excuses for him. Which other coach would get those kind of excuses when they still have their SB QB? I'm not saying BB doesn't have soemthing to prove without Brady or McVeigh isn't a good coach. But to say BB can't win after Brady left to say McVeigh is undoubtably a great coach is crazy. You had some really good points overall. The fact is, it's hard to win in the playoffs especially without a top level QB.
You do realize that the Cowboys have only 5 playoff Wins in the last 28 seasons meanwhile you're over here trash talking Pittsburgh for having a bad 13 years where Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell held the team hostage with their diva antics.
I thought you were trolling when you started making your points LOL "this coach made TWO SBs and won one while this coach made TWO SBs and won one" LOL Then "this coach had an 11-11 while this coach has an 8-10 " like if one of those losses was a win that would make it OK? "one of the most winning teams" meanwhile Tomlin has won exactly the same amount for the same years before him being there, two SB appearances and one win, almost same regular season wins, one game below .500 compared to .500. I clicked on this video because I legit thought Tomlin has underachieved. And while he definitely has in the playoffs, your video actually made me appreciate him to some extent. Your videos are usually on point except for the Steph ones, but in this one, the arguments really missed the mark. I'd say this, he could be underachieving without being a massive FRAUD.
I think all these old school 15year plus NFL Coaches(Any Reid, John Harbaugh, Tomlin, and Belichick) are only good as their quaterbacks which explains their production or lack there of. On coaching skill alone along with a solid defense, Tomlin will get you 8-10 wins but without a dynamic QB don’t expect much more.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6Meh. The 49ers have been solid for years by relying on a solid rushing attack with a hard nosed defense. Jimmy G and Purdy aren't really world beaters in my opinion.
History of winning? The Steelers won 4 championships between 75-80 and didn’t win again until 06 and 09 so tell me how this man ruined their tradition of winning
Mike Tomlin is equivalent to coaches like George Seifert and Barry Switzer. They all have the commonality of inheriting and riding off a stacked roster from their previous regime. But they all did little to almost nothing to improve or leave an impact on their team.
It’s channels like these that really take away from the beauty of sports 🤦🏽♂️. You have a guy trying to sway peoples minds and tell people Tomlin is a fraud of coach. When it’s simply not true…but hey this is the American way…
@@skap_attack simply put it this way: Lebron James is also two games under .500 when it matters most. Allegedly neither have had enough help despite Ben Roethlisberger and Dwyane Wade being pretty good players from what I recall
I will never understand how the Steelers did not when a Superbowl when they had Ben, Bell and Brown?? Oh wait, i figured it out! Mike Tomlin was the head coach! That's why!!
I know nothing about american fotball but I dont know why hearing you spitting facts left and right about anything makes my day so I watch every single one of your videos.
Damn, that is INCREDIBLY high praise. I am extremely grateful to have you on board and supporting the channel to that level. And don't worry, back to basketball tomorrow or the next day! I appreciate you 🙏❤
@@eazymoneymane7789 if his standards are the same for football videos as basketball then he most likely is. Also this comments took the words right out of my mouth
Calling him a fraud is a bit of a stretch. Its not like Mike is pulling a LBJ calling himself the goat. Tge Rooneys are notoriously loyal to their coaches. This isnt new. He won a Superbowl and went to another. How many coaches can say that? If hes a fraud I'm waiting for the Bill Cohwer video next.
Honestly, he was a diversity hire. He inherited Cowher's team much like Barry Switzer did Jimmy J's Dallas Cowboys. But the proof is in the pudding. Barry bombed his next 2 yrs and he was a wrap. Dallas has never been the same since. In Pittsburgh's case, the Rooney's stuck with a certain Roethlisberger WAY too long after the scandal and I think that left a stain on that team imo. SoTomlin is in between 2 really messy story lines. But it is time to move on from him. I know Pittsburgh fans feel different, but take emotions away? ALL of this start after Roethlisberger.
Mike Tomlin isn't a fraud drafting Kenny Pickett was the worst thing they could have ever did when are we going to stop blaming head coaches and hold Quarters backs accountable this head coach narrative has been going on for years
@@PhillipCummingsUSA actually Ben roethlisberger always been a overrated system QB the first half of his career he was carried by the defense the second half of his career he was carried by Antonio Brown
@travonteoatis-henderson240 Bruh shut the hell up. Big Ben is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and probably the best quarterback in Steelers history. What the hell are you talking about
I'm a Dallas fan, but respect the Steelers franchise; the league is better when Pitt is strong, and they have been barely above average the last few seasons. I could see them replacing Tomlin, BUT you have to make sure you have a better coach in place b/c it could be worse; what if they started going like 5-12 w/ a new coach who turned out to be even worse? But if they had a chance to line up Pete Carroll, Belicheck or Jim Harbaugh, I would say do it. Tomlin is hard to pinpoint b/c at times he has seemed like a good coach, and then others not so much. But I know the standard in Pitt is higher than the average franchise, which is why I think it's worth the risk to try someone new.
The "standard" is limping into to the playoffs with a 9-8 record to lose in the wild card round.
You are DAMN right it is. And that is what it is ALWAYS going to be with Tomlin at the helm.
Making the playoffs is barely even an achievement anymore. Almost half the teams make it.
Only 18 teams don't make it
Only 18 teams don't make it
🤣🤣🤣
Even before the 14 teams, he was still making the playoffs
Only 18 teams don't make it
🤣🤣🤣
Even before the 14 teams, he was still making the playoffs
He so incompetent he can't manage the clock. Then everyone will say the fans are crazy for wanting him fired
"Until his loser a** came to town" LMAO I LOVE SKAP!! HE IS TOO FUNNY
😂😂😂😂
Comedy gold. 🤣
Finally someone tells the truth about Tomlin, if it wasn't for his pre-built roster he never wins a super bowl
I look at it as Tomlin almost LOST that Super Bowl. No way should such an inferior Cardinals team have been leading so late into the fourth quarter. Steelers' individual talents, not the coaching pulled that game out.
Finally this is all I hear about every day this isn't new information
@@orbitsun tired of niggas who havent played ball dont know about the 08-09 cards... They had a stacked roster
Just like Steve Kerr! Jerry West and Mark Jackson developed Klay and Steph and handed over a loaded championship ready team. Mark Jackson got so screwed. Anyways, that Stealers team was stacked and a very well run franchise 💯
@@ButterGram I think he’s a players’ coach, too. Never hear of any quarrels or spats. I imagine they’ve vouched for him a lot. Coach-owner relationship is vital, too. Billicheck would’ve been long gone with Tomlinson’s record, they were NOT besties hahaha
tomlin will coast into the hall of fame or some shit for never having a losing record even if a significant number of years they barely passed .500 and got knocked out of the playoffs instantly
he was never a truly great coach, he was horrible at managing egos which blew up great steeler teams through the years, and he lucked out early on to have some of the most talented players in steelers history that didn’t need a ton of coaching anyway.
also, frankly, he’s black and the media has a hard on for inflating the careers of black people in these fields.
Yep. It's all anti white and we know he would have been ran out of town a decade ago if he was not black.
Roomeys are traitors
Thank God he's finally being rightfully critized. This guy has been coasting off massive talent his GM has given him for his entire coaching career. He won one ring with Bill Cowher's team and also owes it in part to Bernard Pollard injuring Tom Brady. Imagine having nearly a decade of Ben, Brown, and Bell all in their primes plus a top 10 defense and o line nearly very year during that same time and making one super bowl.
Don’t forget 3 likely future HOF offensive linemen David DeCastro, Marquis Pouncy, and the legendary 6’9” decorated Army Ranger Captain who completed 3 tours of Afghanistan before becoming an NFL pro bowler, Alejandro Villanueva! 🫡
Agreed Sir. Tomlin is overrated. That year he went running his yap with the media about New England, overlooking JAC and got boat raced at home by Blake Bortles. Shameful
“I don’t think he’s a great coach at all. He’s a nice coach; he’s really a cheerleader, but I don’t know what he does. I don’t think he’s a great coach.”
-a winner.
Ice cold quote from a true Steeler legend
@@c.moriarty1178 2015.
- Terry Bradshaw, for those curious about who said that quote.
At the time that Terry uttered those words, those of us who are Black thought that was a statement that was racist, but upon further examination, no truer words could have been spoken. Mike Tomlin quite frankly lacks the necessities to be a HC at the NFL level, I’m sure he’s a great man, husband, father and he definitely knows football but he CANNOT COACH FOOTBALL!!! He’s a cheerleader
TB said it...BAM...move Art Jr while you are at it! Snyder forced to sell Washington so go after the sacred. I said it!
I used to be an ardent Tomlin supporter. But that Cleveland playoff game broke me. I finally began to see all the criticisms of him were true. Under achieving during the regular season (except for 2020), and not being prepared come playoff time. It happens every year and all he has to offer is empty platitudes and rhetoric, which the media loves. He once said, “I have the best job in sports.” Well of course he does. Imagine having a job with zero accountability, and a host of media willing to defend you when you fail. I’d call that a dream job too. You said it best, he loses when it matters most and never gets called out for it. Just compare him to Mike McCartthy a guy who’s guided his team to three straight 12-5 seasons and lost in the first round of playoffs every year. He’s on the hot seat, at least according to the media. Why is he treated differently? Is the never losing season thing? Because they both won a Super Bowl.
Maybe Tomlin will take his talents to LA and coach the Lakers next season. 🤣😂🙃🤪
YES! A PERFECT fit! Two media created, coddled LOSERS. What a perfect marriage.
Is he on the Kluth Sports rooster?
That would be perfect lol
No, please. I need peace.
@@joaopescusano rest for the wicked
Is Mike Tomlin really a HOF head coach? The Steelers have been irrelevant for years under Tomlin
Couldn't agree more with you. But YES, he is going directly into the Hall of Fame when he retires...I don't think he should. But he will.
@@skap_attack He just seems like some hard-nosed dude who only knows how to yell at people lol.
The standards for these things like Halls of Fame have changed in the past 10-15 years or so. With that in mind he may just make it in. Not that I disagree with you.
No hes not. He hit the lotto when the Steelers hired him. Hes the biggest fraud in football. If he got hired by any other team he would have been canned 10 years ago. Hes worse than Marvin Lewis
Steelers havent wom a plsyoff game in about ten years thats how terrible these idiots are now. They have totally become apathetic and tolerant of losing.
I cannot wait until we are finally free of Tomlin. He and the Rooneys are doing a disservice to this history of this franchise.
The only thing as a Ravens fan that brings me almost as much joy as a superbowl win is seeing the Steelers suffer.
LOL I hate both teams. But I am steelers defector (born and raised) because they are implicit with losing. So I root for their failures in the most hilarious and extreme ways possible. Tho I cannot bring myself to root for the Ravens LOL. You guys have a strong shot this year tho. Good luck!
Ya, you were shaking in your boots that we didn't see you in the playoffs. I think over the 4 years we are 7-1 over you guys.... As a Steelers fan I have hate but respect for the Ravens. I never want to see you win but I like that we both play some of the most competitive within an organization of all time.
With that being said, I have total hate and disdain for the Browns and Cowboys. Seeing them both lose in the playoffs this past weekend was satisfying enough for me to not be so disgruntled about our failed attempt and loss to the Bills.
My best friend is a Ravens fan. He has laughed me to scorn so much...😊
@@skap_attack The Steelers have ALWAYS been one of the NFL's "darling franchises" that can do no wrong and get break after break from the league. The refs always favor them, they get multiple primetime home games year after year, and their players can do whatever and get a slap on the wrist (Big Ben). So Tomlin is trash if he can't win with those advantages. But they won't fire him. It would look bad for the franchise that forced The Rooney Rule upon the NFL to fire a black coach. Good. Suffer, Rooney's!
We'll see after the Ravens lose to Houston on saturday.
Tomlin better NOT get into the hall of fame EVER!!
We need to hold owners accountable too because they're frauds just like jerry jones.
Mark Cuban
They’re cowards. The opposite extreme of the Joneses.
Its insane that the NFL report cards show the players regularly giving the Rooney's an F on the Ownership question while people like David Tepper only get a D-. The rest of the report card also shows how cheap ownership can be as it comes in the bottom half for things like training, family support, and travel.
I can't thank you enough for this video. As a Steeler fan for decades, this issue has been bothering me. I was own of the very few who wanted Bruce Arians to take over..but... Credit to Tomlin's Superbowl win should go to Bill Cowher. The standards has really fallen. Chuck Noll (continue to Rest in Peace Emperor Chaz) would probably be seething in his grave.
Non-Steelers fan here: I have nothing but respect for the organization, but they’re a far cry from what they were built upon and yes, it does start with Tomlin. He has done nothing to keep the team relevant, the team hasn’t developed their young players like teams past. It’s just a sideshow now. There is no way a player like Pickens could have behaved the way he has under Cowher or Knoll. No way! Change definitely seems necessary.
Pickens, Bell, Juju, AB. he constantly ignored and deflected and undermined the chaos they created. I will not say that Tomlin made them cancer but he certainly enabled the cancer
Hit the nail on the head. I constantly hear “He’s a SB winning coach!” He legitimately stepped into the best position any head coach has in NFL history. He inherited a team that won a Super Bowl 2 years prior, with a future HOF QB not even in his prime yet, and the #1 Defense in the league. He won a SB with a team that he did not build or mold. It was a team that already had veterans who had what it took to win the big game.
Then you constantly hear “Never had a losing season!” No, just a whole lot of underperforming/mediocre ones, and only won 3 play off games in 13 years.. with one of them being a game where Cinci snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and outright handed Pittsburgh the W.
Not saying he’s a “bad” NFL coach but he is EXTREMELY overrated
Ken Whisenhunt should had been selected as the head coach in 2007, not Tomlin.
Everyone needs a friend like Stephen A Smith. You can have a losing season, suck at your job, commit a crime and as long as you're black, Stephen A Smith will brush all of that off and support you lol. Tomlin hasn't been as good as a coach as everyone is giving him.
Race hustlers who don't deserve our society
Wow... This is the best video I've seen regarding Tomlin. I've been a Steeler Fan since 72. When Franco just got there and to see how Tomlin is just raking us through the mud, it's just disgraceful for the last 8 years. I've been wanting them to get rid of him, but. I know how the Steelers are. They don't get rid of anybody. It's. It's to their detriment to be so loyal.
Thank you for this video. I'm glad someone could see what all Steelers fans are seeing, and it's really ashamed....😔
Exactly. "NeVeR HaD A LoSiNg SeAsOn," but he's 8-10 in the playoffs. Fuck Coach Fraud, he's ruining my team
This video was made and posted a year ago? Well it still applies on Jan 7, 2025! We need a new head coach here in Pittsburgh and a good house cleaning! Tomlin can not get us to the Superbowl, let alone win it!
If the media is defending someone you know they are probably garbage. I can't wait to see Lamar Jackson play this weekend...
I will laugh so hard if he loses.
YOU ARE PREACHING NOW! Stand by for a Lamar video in 3....2....1....IF he GAGS at home off the bye to a rook QB. I am the BIGGEST Stroud guy there is this weekend. I might get a Stroud TAT if he takes care of business for me.
@@skap_attack Last year, I talked all kinds of smack on Jordan Love...I take it all back. I was wrong. He might even be my favorite player now since he cowboyed DEM COWBOYS!!!
I can't see Lamar losing in these playoffs under Todd Monken they are peaking at the right time and with the most dominant defence in football under Mike MacDonald
@@ulasou2900 unfortunately I agree with you. BUT he HAS only won ONE playoff game in his career. Not discounting the possibility of a choke job.
@@ulasou2900 I know a certain Manning that used to bully the league all season long and then blow the playoff homegame. Its known to happen.
He hasn't won a playoff game in seven years but hey he always goes 9-8!
Tomlin has got to go. Are they going to create a new category for a "great coach" in the NFL. The most winning seasons. Well ain't that a hoot. Remember tomlinites, this season started with Mikey T getting out coached at home by a good team, and ended with this team getting out coached by a good team. Everyone in the AFC North has won a playoff game since the Steelers did it last. If this guy sticks around,it will be a lot more of the same. Sick.
I agree. It's time. Tomlin must go.
Mike Tomlin won Bill Cowher’s second SB.
Cut the crap.
Still took that team to another sb
@@BoosterGoldEarth6still used cowhers players 😂
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 if people say the same about gruden then it applies to tomlin. But let me guess since hes black ur not gonna apply the same standard....
I can fix that for you .....that team took Tomlin to the superbowl.....not the other way around @@BoosterGoldEarth6
The people who act like barely making the playoffs is an achievement in a league where ~45% of the league makes the playoffs is hilarious.
I've been a Steelers fan since 06. I'm going to say what most won't. He should have been fired after losing to Tim Tebow in the playoffs. The only reason he got those 2 SB appearances(1 SB win) is cause he was left with Bill Cowher team(coaches and players). Once everyone left or got old, we haven't done anything meaningful since. We lost are Steel Curtain mindset and honestly I can't even watch a full game. Hopefully Russell Wilson redeems himself. Best thing MT did was get Minkah Fitz and bring in Flores.
Tell that to Art Rooney then. Because the rest of us already knew all of this 🤷🏿♂️
I remember the Steelers from the 60's. They sucked, but they weren't an embarrassment. Tomlin's an embarrassment and his team is playing down to his incompetence. Rooney needs to sell his team to someone who cares about the fans and has the kahoonas to fire the fraud head coach and his entire coaching staff, and hire the right people to bring the franchise back to glory.
Best press conference in the business. Uses all the words and says nothing.
The pontificating is absolutely incredible from a dude who won a Super Bowl in his SECOND season, and only three TOTAL playoff games the last 13 years.
@@dmurphy1578
Couldn’t say it better myself
Tomlin is a black head coach nuff said.
And?
@@DM-22no, that's it. That's the reason
I love how the media targets coaches like McCarthy, Harbaugh or Sean McDermott. Demanding they all be fired after their most recent playoff failures, yet Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in 8 years with 4 straight one and done playoff losses. Yet no one in the media is calling for Tomlin to be fired???
Funny how that works
The standard isn’t a Super Bowl, it’s 9-8! That’s a season success according to Mediocre Mike.
DEI lifetime hires dont work.
He does have an NFL record, however...and thats having the worst record against sub 500 opponents ever
Bingo
@@rockymountainhomesteadyour white. Least athletic race on the planet
@@MarvelMadness2003nice..racism
Subject matter aside, That was some epic editing.
THANK YOU! I appreciate you 🙏❤
Let's be real, we know why Tomlin is still the head coach despite having not won anything relevant in 14 years.
I don't follow NFL much anymore, is he the only one who's a head coach right now?
Uhh why is he the coach? Please elaborate?
Tell us why?
@@strawhats0823 cos hes black
Yeah.. we know that ALL other head coaches, "not like him", have amazing success and win the Superbowl every year, right?
The Steelers didn't want to be called racist and get canceled for firing the bum Tomlin.
I never liked Tomlin. He inherited Cowher's team to win the Super Bowl and has not utilized the talented player he had for all those years. Ben should have had a few more super bowls at least. Bring the Whiz back
Ben only got better and the team got worse...
He is a fraud. Always has been.
It's time to have some tough conversations. Fair is fair and the smoke is equal opportunity. 😂
The national media loves him and the local media won’t criticize him because apparently they are “scared” of him. Also the Steelers are too loyal. Tomlin is an average coach
The dude is a glorified cheerleader
Facts!!
I'm a HUUUUUUGE Steelers fan and you are 100% correct, my man.
What if Bill never left? He was the man and left too early.
Really having to kick us Steelers fans while we're down.
I think Tomlin, McCarthy and Tomlin are great coaches and none of them should have been fired. Cowher had a few losing seasons and was also a great coach.
A man so nice you had to name him twice.
I too respect the legends of Tomlin and Tomlin.
Mike tomlin never called a play, and never will.
Lmaooo Bruce Arians is getting the credit?? Yeah he won a SB with Tampa as head coach but that was after they signed Tom Brady, the same Tom Brady that made Bellichik's losing/failure of a head coaching career up to 2001 all of a sudden look like the greatest Head Coaching resume ever for about 20 years
Calling a coach that regularly gets his guys to the postseason a fraud is wild, but consistent early exits in the playoffs are legitimate reason for a coach to lose his job in any sport. Especially with THAT many shots at it, and a coach free agent market that includes Harbaugh and Belichick.
I’d take his shitty record my team hasn’t won a playoff game since 2000….
So? You like mediocrity instead of rings?
Tomlin is a good coach its just time to move on. I can appreciate when its time to move on but i think guys are crazy. Im a lions fan MFErs don't appreciate anything. Id kill to have had the Tomlin era in Detroit.
Skap you are the GOAT no doubt about.
The media gives more excuses for this mediocre coach than they do for Leflop !!
Overrated Barry Switzer at best is mediocre Mike Tomlin. The great franchise of Pittsburgh covered this man’s inconsistencies for a long time. It’s all out now !!
THEY DO! Tomlin is the LeBron of the NFL!
What how. Mike Tomlin is clearly a Hall of Fame coach
@@skap_attackwow that's ridiculous
@@Kings0424 Only because he landed the dream job. He basically waisted Big Ben's entire career. And he was loyal enough not to complain.
This was beautiful. Well done sir.
Thank you Skap. Especially the past 5 years. They have been massively overrated
They just cannot get out of their own way. He just informed the organization he would be back. HE TOLD THEM! After winning 3 playoff games in 3 years...
Overrated from what exactly? They weren't really expected to do anything major to be rated over the past 5 years lol
LOVE your editing work 🤩The movie clips really make your videos POP
Throw John Harbaugh and Kyle Shanahan in there too
Been a steelers fan most of my life. Seen some great teams. Great players great coaches. This isn't it. No question tomlin is a great man. But he's not a good coach. He proves that on a weekly basis. Lose to teams bellow you. Get blown out by the actual good teams. As long as his ego stays this team will never see postseason success. Ain't gonna happen. Steelers will het blown out this year and maybe ppl will start to look at the numbers and realize just how bad of a coach he actually is. Again not to say he isn't a good man. He cares about his players and his players love him but hily shit.. how does he still have a job? Cordell Paterson returns kicks like cmon.
Well said
Not gonna pretend that Tomlin's coaching record been great in the playoffs last several seasons, but I'm shocked hes even coached some of those Steelers teams to the postseason.
He had like 4-5 BACK UP Quarterbacks starting after they moved on from Roethlisberger & the front office has done a MEDIOCRE job at best in supplying him with good to elite talent. They literally held on to their best players too long or trade/let them walk for a pack of Skittles.
I dont even know how he's managed to NOT have a losing season over the years. We've seen way more talented teams perform worse week end & week out. Therefore to call him a FRAUD is a out of pocket. No one had any real expectations for these Steelers & if you say so, youre lying 😂.
This one is tough for me. I like Tomlin and my cousin is on the coaching staff. I am bias here, but everything you said is right
By all accounts, I think he's a good man. Definitely somebody you'd want in your corner on a personal level for this journey called life. Unfortunately, he (along with some of the front office) has been underwhelming for the majority of his tenure. At times, you'll see sparks of greatness. But he's just never been able to piece it all together on a consistent basis.
@@jamesdjl4359being a good guy isn’t enough for an nfl head coach. Who else keeps their job year after year of failures because “they’re a good man”. It’s laughable
While I still think Tomlin is a good coach, I appreciate the thorough analysis. Keep the NFL content coming Skap!
I appreciate you 🙏
He’s just like bill Belichick. Complete trash without an all time great QB.
Personally I think Tomlin has a bad liver his eyes are always yellow 🤷🏾♀️
Fraud is the wrong word. He is a solid and good head coach sure. Great can be debated. Fraud is not the word.
What about phony?
@@knowledgeseeker1528 wrong word.
No. It's accurate. When you consistently fail with such talent, that makes you fraudulent
Someone is only a fraud if they personally go around claiming to be something they are not. So if other people misplace their own beliefs upon them they are not frauds people just need to mind their own business.
minding your own business doesn't work when it's the public eye like sports
he's a sports critic and tomlin definitely ain't a private citizen
Didnt u call Belichick a fraud also? Then use Bill's accomplishments to illustrate how much of a fraud Tomlin is...interesting.
Didn't they win a Super Bowl with him and make it to 2?? Also how was it ALWAYS the standard until he got there when from 1980 to 2005 they won 0 super bowls and made it to just 1 Super Bowl and this was without Tomlin.
Also Bill Cowher, like Tomlin, won 1 super bowl and made it to 2 with the Steelers but he was part of the WINNING STANDARD??
#1 Tomlin going only 8-10 in the playoffs versus cower going 12-9 is highly misleading. If you take the 2005 season that the steelers won the superbowl in context you can see just how easily cower ends up with the same record except worse than tomlin if the refs, err, steelers didn't go on the most improbable (dirty) superbowl run in nfl history at that time as the 6th seed who had to destroy the career of an 05 mvp candidate, Carson Palmer, by destroying his leg on the second play of the game with an obviously dirty hit, getting the colts on the only bad day they had that year and still needing the most accurate kicker of all time to miss a field goal to win, beating a vastly overated broncos team in the afc championship and winning a totally fair and not rigged superbowl which still to this day is argued over as the second most rigged superbowl of all time second only to superbowl 3. If the steelers didn't destroy one of the best QB's in the leagues knee in that first playoff game, cower ends his career with a, well what do you know, a 8-10 playoff record. Except Cower, unlike Tomlin, wouldn't have a superbowl ring. If there ever has been a rigged playoffs to get a team to win (for bettis, for cower) the 05 playoff run of the steelers is still considered the closest example of it.
#2 To say that tomlin winning one less division title than cower helps to prove that cower was a vastly superior coach is laughable. Yes, cower has one more div. title but lets look at the competition each coach faced. During cowers tenure, his division opponents went a total of 398-481-1 combined with a win percentage of .453. Yet, tomlins tenure saw a combined opponents record of 395-423-7 with a win percentage of .483. It doesn't sound like much but those 3 points are huge, especially when you consider that in the 2017 and 18' seasons the Browns had a combined 1-31 record. Cut those two seasons for the browns out and you have a over .500 win percentage. However, that is not the best point to come from my analysis. For cower, from 92'-06' his division opponents had a winning record only twice and neither of those years(99' and 06') did cower win the division. Yet, During Tomlins tenure, the steelers division had a winning record SEVEN times and the steelers won the division TWICE in those seven years! So, not a single time did cower win the division when it had a winning record but Tomlin did it TWICE, and both of those years (14' and 20') the AFC North was the best division in football with a win record, both years of 38-25-1 (.603). So while yes, tomlin is down one to cower, i would argue that Tomlin did it against tougher opponents, finishing with a higher win percentage than cower and winning the best division in football twice compared to cower not doing it at all.
#3 cower doesn't have basically the same win%, he has a worse win percentage by 1 point plus tomlins won 24 more games that cower. why did cower retire anyway? Oh yeah, thats right, that steelers team that was soo "plush" with talent went 8-8 in their last season under bill cower coming fresh off that superbowl win. The same squad that won the superbowl (minus bettis) barely scraped buy a .500 season with the legendary bill cower until tomlin came along and went 10-6 and 12-4 in those first two seasons with that same squad??? this is also forgetting that over a 3 year span teams can change dramatically. Drafts and trades and retirements. So this idea that Tomlin won because of what cower built is a bad argument at best and reaching for straws.
#4 The idea that Cower just didn't have talent at the QB position is simply wrong. Both O'Donnell and Stewart were ProBowl Quarterbacks While Maddox was the 02 comeback player of the year leading the steelers to a 10-5-1 record of which he was 10-3-1 and they almost went to the afc championship that year save for a overtime field goal loss the the Tennessee Titans. People also forget, Big Ben might have been a good quarterback but he had a ton of struggles Himself with the motorcycle wreck, his trouble with women and legal woes. Along with that, if you do the same math with Ben as i did with cower you will find that abscent that dubious 05 superbowl run Big Ben would have ended his career with a playoff record of 9-11 and only one superbowl as nobody questions the steelers run to the superbowl in 07 (just the win). Ben had problems performing too. Yes, ben was better than the other list of QB's but to throw everything on tomlin is shady at best. Don't forget, in 2010 Ben was suspended for the first 6 games where the steelers went 5-1 without him and 7-3 after his return.
These are just a few of the issues with this video. I could go on but ive spent way too much time on this already. To sum things up:
Tomlin won more against tougher division opponents and has no shadow of "rigged" allegations over his superbowl win and he has yet to walk away. Remember, cower was facing these same arguments the offseason before he finally won the superbowl. Everyone seems to forget.
BOOM! And nobody better say "Cowher made those QBs pro-bowlers" because those are the same people that say Tomlin having the 3rd most pro-bowlers is a DETRIMENT.
Tomlin has done nothing in the league since Cower's roster thinned out on him. The Steelers could have had 3 Super Bowls with Rothlisberger, Bell, and Brown if anyone other than Tomlin was the coach.. the fact that he botched winning with those guys is insanity.
Tom Brady really was something else. A phenomenon. Him and Michael were next level hyper competitors.
I've been following the Steelers since 1972. I approve this message.
So the man has coached for what 16 years has never had a losing season, wins a Super Bowl, coaches the team to another Super Bowl...but sucks because he couldn't take a team with Mason Rudolph past the Bills. The Steelers have won two Super Bowls since the 70s and Tomlin has won one of them.
Part 2: On Mike Tomlin - If Tomlin sucks, then your coach sucks too. Want proof?
Cowher was just as big a disappointment. Cowher got to just as many super bowls as Tomlin did, won just as many SBs as Tomlin did, he took CHOKED several big playoff games (losing to Drew Bledsoe in 2001 is borderline unforgivable given how bad Bledsoe was under pressure throughout his career). Cowher, unlike Tomlin, had losing seasons. Tomlin has 7 division titles to Cowher's 8 division titles, but I'd argue that Tomlin's division has been HARDER to win than Cowher's was during his time in Pittsburgh. Cowher is 12-9 compared to Tomlin's 8-10 but that is literally the difference between one good playoff one in which you make a conference title game and a couple one-and-done years.
The TOTAL empirical difference between Cowher and Tomlin is MARGINAL at best. They both won one close SB. They both lost one close SB.
And here's where i REALLY feel like your argument doesn't work:
NFL COACHES in GENERAL ARE OVERRATED. QBs are more important than the coach. If Tomlin had Brady, he'd have 8 Super Bowls and look like a genius.
Before Brady, Belichick had FOUR LOSING SEASONS in 5 years for a Browns team that, contrary to popular opinion, was ACTUALLY GOOD before Bill got there. They had made the playoffs 4 out of the previous 6 seasons before Bill got there. They have a TOP 6 WIN % of any franchise of the LOADED 80s. They were NOT perennial losers before Bill got there; Belichick is the one THAT STARTED THE CHRONIC LOSING IN CLEVELAND.
Before Brady IN New England, Belichick took a team that made the Super Bowl with Parcells (the real genius, not Belichick), and was .500 or BETTER under Pete Carroll, that HAD NOT HAD A LOSING SEASON in FOUR YEARS, to 5-11 and then 0-2 with the highest paid QB in the NFL, Drew Bledsoe.
With Brady IN New England, after they became a dynasty, the ONLY season they didn't win the division? Brady was hurt in 2008/09. THe ONLY season they didn't make it to the playoffs after their 2nd SB win in 3 years? Brady was hurt in 2008/09.
After Brady IN New England, Belichick put up 3 LOSING SEASONS in 4 years, with the WORST OFFENSE the NFL has seen in over a DECADE. That's how putrid NE's current offense ranks. With Brady? The highest PPG AVERAGE in NFL HISTORY of any QB at 28 PPG.
Belichick is 84 - 103 WITHOUT Brady. He has ZERO DIVISION TITLES in 11 seasons without Brady. ZERO. Point. ZERO. He has ONE PLAYOFF WIN IN 11 SEASONS WITHOUT BRADY. 1. Far, far, worse than Tomlin.
Harbaugh was going 7-9 without Lamar. Get's Lamar and is now contending for Super Bowls. Yes he won a Super Bowl, but he won that SB on the back of RAY LEWIS and Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs, 3 HOF caliber defensive STUDS, and Flacco going Super Saiyan during that run (which i REFUSE to ascribe to Harbaugh given his inability to coax anything near that kind of performance from Flacco thereafter).
By your criteria, I'd argue Harbaugh is overrated. (Unless you think Lamar is overrated and Harbaugh is actually carrying him, which i bed to differ).
Bruce Arians. He had ONE good run with Carson Palmer, got blown out by Cam Newton. Was below .500 every season in Tampa as QB "guru" until he got THE GOAT to win him his lone ring after Brady put up 4 straight 30+ point playoff games (all on a torn MCL). No Brady = NO RING FOR ARIANS. Give Tomlin Brady and he looks like a genius too.
Lets see. Andy Reid is exempt. He's a LEGIT genius level head coach. Won with everybody. So good, people thought Kevin Kolb was a franchise QB lol. So good, he made Alex Smith look like a borderline Pro Bowl QB. Has OWNED the AFC West since he arrived AFTER OWNING the NFC East with McNabb. Reid is a legit top 10 coach all time.
Sean Payton had several below .500 seasons in Brees's PRIME because he couldn't fix their defense. Good coach, but he made one Super Bowl, won 1, and hasn't been back since. Tomlin at LEAST made it back twice.
Dan Whittaker in Detroit is doing some great things but its still too early.
Ditto for Indy.
Ditto for Ryans in Houston.
LaFleur has to MAKE it to a SB first. He's looking really good so far with how he's coached up Love.
McCarthy? LOL. He is an even bigger representative of your thesis than Tomlin is! He has LOTS of talent and chokes every year with ROGERS (who is better than Big Ben) and now Dak.
Sirianni? This years collapse is telling.
Washington? Lol.
Giants? Lol.
Minnesota? Too early to tell.
Chicago? We shall see.
Vegas? Inept ownership (could really apply for most of the teams in the league TBF).
Chargers? Staley is garbage but Herbert is also a choker.
Bengals coach? Missed playoffs with Burrow. Can't seem to fix the offensive line. Without Burrow, he hasn't won anything. And we shall see if he can really coach now that he has to lose one of boyd or Higgins.
Stefanski? He's a good coach. Beat Tomlin head to head with Baker only to LOSE to a ROOKIE CJ Stroud - which only reinforces my point: QBS are wayyyyyy more important in terms of winning/losing games than the head coaches. Wake up guys. Stefanski just got OUTCOACHED by a rookie HC in Demeco Ryans and a rookie QB.
Pederson? He has a SB ring but missed the playoffs with Trevor Lawrence after a bad collapse to the season. Got fired from Philly after hitching his wagon to a BAD carson wentz. It's ALMOST AS IF GOOD COACH cannot CONSISTENTLY out perfom BAD QB play. Hmmm, notice a theme here? Nick Foles, plays out of his MIND in the 2017 playoffs. They hand the keys to Wentz, he craps the bed, can't read a defense, panicks under pressure. The result? Pederson gets fired. Perhaps if Pederson had CJ Stroud instead of Wentz, he'd still be in Philly right now racking up wins.
Pete Carroll. How many playoff wins does he have since 2014? See...I'm making sense now.
Cardinals coach? Too early to tell.
Sean McVeigh? ELITE. Took Goff to the Sb. And then WON the Sb with a better QB in Stafford. Still remains to see what he can do once the Rams core gets too old and Donald and Kupp fall off. But he's EASILY a top 5 coach in the NFL NO QUESTION. Losing season last year was a blemish (5-13) but perhaps COACHING IN GENERAL IS OVERRATED. Why? LAST season, the Rams were BAD. They were the first defending Super Bowl champion to finish with a losing record since the 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and the first defending Super Bowl champion to miss the playoffs since the 2016 Denver Broncos. To add to all those struggles, the Rams went 1-7 on the road for the first time since 2011, when the team was still based in St. Louis. That's bad bro. But he gets a pass for that season because of the incredible work he did all the seasons before as well as getting the team to recover the 2nd half of this season and perform better.
Kyle Shannahan? ELITE. He has one SB under his belt and several conference title games. Matt Ryan looked like Dan Marino under Kyle and they were one 2nd half collapse from winning the 2015 SB in large part to his work as offensive coordinator (until his IDIOTIC playcalling cost them in the 2nd half). He took Jimmy G, an average QB to the SB. Something similar to McVeigh with Goff at the time (Goff has since improved). Shanahan, however, before he got Purdy had a LOSING RECORD IN San Francisco without Jimmy G. He's missed the playoffs in San Fran with his starting QB injured. Tomlin has gotten his team to the playoffs MULTIPLE times with his starting QB injured. Shanahan is a top 5 coach but can he PLEASE win a Super Bowl first before he starting crowning him as the next offensive Einstein? McVeigh has earned it, Shanahan has to seal the deal.
So how many coaches can we reasonably say are better than Tomlin right now?
Andy Reid
McVeigh
Shanahan
MAYBE Pete Carroll
Tomlin is BETTER THAN HARBAUGH: 18-15 vs Harbaugh, including wins with BACKUP QBs.
Give Tomlin Brady, or Stafford, or a LEGIT QB and he can work wonders. Big Ben was washed his last 4 seasons and Tomlin paid the price for sticking with a QB who was already past his prime and fat and out of shape. Guess what? Tomlin has a FAR better win % without Big Ben than Belichick has without Brady AND McVeigh has with his backup AND Kyle Shannahan has with his backup. Only Reid has a better win % than Tomlin (over at least a 10 game sample size) without his starting QB.
Like I said, it's not a BAD video, just a whole INCOMPLETE video. You are holding Lamar and Tomlin to a HIGHER standard than the media is holding several other coaches and players past and present. Such as Peyton Manning, who ESPN had the audacity to name the most DOMINANT football player of the century in 2016 lol, go look it up; or Sean Payton, who was never on the hot seat despite three consecutive 7-9 subpar seasons with PRIME Brees (although I do give credit to Payton for maximizing Brees's talent and enhancing Brees after a serious shoulder injury).
LOVE your channel, LOVE your work, will still be your biggest fan on here, but i stand by criticisms. The two videos aren't terrible, but they are NOT contextualized anywhere near well enough for my liking. My guess is he probably has to win a playoff game next season or he's out depending on how the season goes.
You're still the TH-cam GOAT!
McVeigh does some boneheaded things too. You think he could've used those timeouts he wasted, one in the first few minutes of the third q? BB took Mac to the playoffs after losing the best QB ever who's been in the fabric of the team for a decade+. McVeigh still had his QB the next few seasons and all I heard is excuses for him. Which other coach would get those kind of excuses when they still have their SB QB? I'm not saying BB doesn't have soemthing to prove without Brady or McVeigh isn't a good coach. But to say BB can't win after Brady left to say McVeigh is undoubtably a great coach is crazy.
You had some really good points overall. The fact is, it's hard to win in the playoffs especially without a top level QB.
FACTS!
If coaches are overrated and QBs are the driving force to winning games, why are you ranking the coaches at all?
You do realize that the Cowboys have only 5 playoff Wins in the last 28 seasons meanwhile you're over here trash talking Pittsburgh for having a bad 13 years where Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown and Leveon Bell held the team hostage with their diva antics.
I thought you were trolling when you started making your points LOL "this coach made TWO SBs and won one while this coach made TWO SBs and won one" LOL Then "this coach had an 11-11 while this coach has an 8-10 " like if one of those losses was a win that would make it OK? "one of the most winning teams" meanwhile Tomlin has won exactly the same amount for the same years before him being there, two SB appearances and one win, almost same regular season wins, one game below .500 compared to .500. I clicked on this video because I legit thought Tomlin has underachieved. And while he definitely has in the playoffs, your video actually made me appreciate him to some extent. Your videos are usually on point except for the Steph ones, but in this one, the arguments really missed the mark.
I'd say this, he could be underachieving without being a massive FRAUD.
What record would he have on a team like the Cardinals?
Mike Tomlin is the poster boy for "The Rooney Rule"
I'll go you one better: Tomlin's the reason so few other Blacks get hired as head coaches.
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Well they are keeping McCarthy so.....
Please make one about my Sorry Cowboys SkapAttack
Dude, what are you talking about? At least you said "my". Take the L man and comeback next year. Life goes on. #DC4L.
I can absolutely make that happen...
Mike McCunthy is absolute garbage
They are terrified of change.
Tomlin just got a 3 yr extension. Make this make sense! 😅😂
Rooney is a fool to say the least
I think all these old school 15year plus NFL Coaches(Any Reid, John Harbaugh, Tomlin, and Belichick) are only good as their quaterbacks which explains their production or lack there of. On coaching skill alone along with a solid defense, Tomlin will get you 8-10 wins but without a dynamic QB don’t expect much more.
Only good as the QB in the NFL post 2014. Since the rules does not allow for other ways to win
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 I can see that. Imagine a Trent Dilfer being the starting QB on a SB winner now or other “game managers”.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6Meh. The 49ers have been solid for years by relying on a solid rushing attack with a hard nosed defense. Jimmy G and Purdy aren't really world beaters in my opinion.
AMEN!!! AMEN!!! & AMEN!!!
History of winning? The Steelers won 4 championships between 75-80 and didn’t win again until 06 and 09 so tell me how this man ruined their tradition of winning
Not a Steelers fan but chuck noll stayed too long
1 Super Bowl. 2 AFC Championships. 7 Division Titles. No losing seasons. Niners fans would literally kill for this.
For those referencing Bill Cowher, he had 1 Super Bowl, 2 AFC Championships, 8 Division Titles, & 3 losing seasons. Take from that what you will.
As a Steelers fan, thank you. A lot of this I've been saying about Tomlin since 2020. He's Marvin Lewis with playoff wins
Shap👀Coach Tomlin had big Ben for 15 of his 17 seasons and not 12 as you had said
Packers ain’t won no damn 13 playoff games in the last 13 seasons, it’s 8. Ravens haven’t won 11, it’s 7.
@@johnbruce4003
It’s more than the Steelers!!!
@ So we can just make up numbers now? In that case, The Steelers have won 12 Super Bowls. How many for those bums?
Mike Tomlin is equivalent to coaches like George Seifert and Barry Switzer. They all have the commonality of inheriting and riding off a stacked roster from their previous regime. But they all did little to almost nothing to improve or leave an impact on their team.
It’s channels like these that really take away from the beauty of sports 🤦🏽♂️. You have a guy trying to sway peoples minds and tell people Tomlin is a fraud of coach. When it’s simply not true…but hey this is the American way…
dunno how a critique can take away your feeling of beauty of something but ok
Hes has his protection suit on
But how does Mike Tomlin's recent playoff failure lead to Lebron James having a bigger argument to be the GOAT? Just ask Colin or LeShannon!
It's all about princess james legacy duhhhhh 🤷🏿♂️
LOL I will have to see if I can connect those dots for you and Shannon...
@@skap_attack simply put it this way: Lebron James is also two games under .500 when it matters most. Allegedly neither have had enough help despite Ben Roethlisberger and Dwyane Wade being pretty good players from what I recall
Lifetime steelers fan. The culture i know is the same culture that stood by Bill Cower through the good times and bad.
I will never understand how the Steelers did not when a Superbowl when they had Ben, Bell and Brown?? Oh wait, i figured it out! Mike Tomlin was the head coach! That's why!!
Please fired Mike Tomlin please Rooney
I know nothing about american fotball but I dont know why hearing you spitting facts left and right about anything makes my day so I watch every single one of your videos.
If you don't know anything about American football how do you know if he's spitting facts
Damn, that is INCREDIBLY high praise. I am extremely grateful to have you on board and supporting the channel to that level. And don't worry, back to basketball tomorrow or the next day! I appreciate you 🙏❤
@@eazymoneymane7789 trust me, I am 😉
@@eazymoneymane7789 if his standards are the same for football videos as basketball then he most likely is. Also this comments took the words right out of my mouth
@@skap_attack I love your videos. Please leave the fraud moniker for Lefraud James. I think is a joke though
Calling him a fraud is a bit of a stretch. Its not like Mike is pulling a LBJ calling himself the goat. Tge Rooneys are notoriously loyal to their coaches. This isnt new. He won a Superbowl and went to another. How many coaches can say that? If hes a fraud I'm waiting for the Bill Cohwer video next.
Honestly, he was a diversity hire. He inherited Cowher's team much like Barry Switzer did Jimmy J's Dallas Cowboys. But the proof is in the pudding. Barry bombed his next 2 yrs and he was a wrap. Dallas has never been the same since.
In Pittsburgh's case, the Rooney's stuck with a certain Roethlisberger WAY too long after the scandal and I think that left a stain on that team imo. SoTomlin is in between 2 really messy story lines. But it is time to move on from him. I know Pittsburgh fans feel different, but take emotions away? ALL of this start after Roethlisberger.
Mike Tomlin is the first DEI hire.
Mike Tomlin isn't a fraud drafting Kenny Pickett was the worst thing they could have ever did when are we going to stop blaming head coaches and hold Quarters backs accountable this head coach narrative has been going on for years
Big Ben won the Superbowl and only got better as a QB. The team didn't...
@@PhillipCummingsUSA actually Ben roethlisberger always been a overrated system QB the first half of his career he was carried by the defense the second half of his career he was carried by Antonio Brown
@@PhillipCummingsUSA he (lil ben) is also a two time r@pist don't leave that out😏🥱
Care to try to refute any of the points and facts I present in my video? Nah, didn't think so...
@travonteoatis-henderson240 Bruh shut the hell up. Big Ben is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time and probably the best quarterback in Steelers history. What the hell are you talking about
I'm a Dallas fan, but respect the Steelers franchise; the league is better when Pitt is strong, and they have been barely above average the last few seasons. I could see them replacing Tomlin, BUT you have to make sure you have a better coach in place b/c it could be worse; what if they started going like 5-12 w/ a new coach who turned out to be even worse? But if they had a chance to line up Pete Carroll, Belicheck or Jim Harbaugh, I would say do it. Tomlin is hard to pinpoint b/c at times he has seemed like a good coach, and then others not so much. But I know the standard in Pitt is higher than the average franchise, which is why I think it's worth the risk to try someone new.