Wow!!! Two episodes with the cap. I'll have to get you another special cap next time we meet. Give Christy her cap back. LOL. Impressed with how much the NH can lift, too. On some of the early models of the 1025R, there was a problem of the "droopy bucket syndrome" that some of the members on GTT talked about, It was similar to the bucket dumping instead of curling up as you found on the NH. Mine never had the problem, though.
My ls mt122 had the same issue. I just fixed it. My rod end balls for the joystick mechanism were all loose. Was a real problem, and I only found it cause I actually broke one of the rod ends just on Tuesday night. I fixed it Wednesday, and it’s a HUGE improvement. I was pretty surprised that it had been a issue since the day I bought the tractor. My dads yanmar also has the droopy bucket syndrome too. We’re checking his joystick out this weekend.
The 1026R I had suffered horribly from “droopy bucket syndrome”. JD released a TSB with a fix. If I remember correctly, it was a check valve installed in the SCV to hold pressure in the cylinders until the curl hydraulics took over with enough pressure. The side effect: dump was much slower. I also had to search for a dealer willing to install the valve; my selling dealer wouldn’t do it unless I dropped the machine now for an appointment 3 weeks in the future, then they had to duplicate the problem. Unless they put a few hundred pounds of load in the bucket, it wouldn’t droop.
I own one of these and love it. I have zero issues with the valve and the float feature works fine for me. Perfect size bucket etc. for what I need it for.
This is the same tractor I bought new in 2020 . Love it . It's a work horse for its size for sure . I have buddy's with deer and Kubota and even a Mahindra. I have used all of them myself . I chose to buy the New Holland Work Master 25s. I think they all had things I liked about them . But this one checked more boxes then all the others . Good video
Hello, Since you've owned and operated the NH 25s I figure you would be a good person to ask if you dont mind. Have you experienced the dip when it should curl issue Tim ran into? If so, are you living with the issue or was it fixable? Also, do you know how to set the float?
Congratulations. Wasn’t that long ago you had to ask for help doing heavy lifting because of your health. I’m so glad to see you improved and doing things like this. Watch those cheeseburgers and keep up the great videos. Don’t forget to give Christy her hat back. Lol God bless. Bruce from Mason Michigan
Hi Tim, I realize this video is almost a year old and I haven't read all your comments but I know what was wrong with that loader valve. I have a LS MT-125 and these tractors are identical. In fact through my research LS makes it for New Holland. But on the valve. My tractor had the same issues with that valve and more. The fix was that the valve top, where the heim joints to the valves are come loose. The operator handle comes loose too and then you have all kinds of thing going on there at the top of that valve at the same time. I tightened EVERYTHING up at the top of the valve and it didn't work this good from the factory. I so appreciate you doing this lift test to see exactly what this machine can lift. I also found it interesting how you graphed the fact that is loses capacity as the bucket goes up. The "1000" pound lift capacity at the pins was a selling point for me and I've figured that the best this machine could do with the bucket was about 850 pounds. But what a surprise to see you snatch that heavy load off the ground. I have to write down those numbers so I have an idea but I personally wouldn't put more then 1000 pounds in that bucket as it's my machine and I don't want to abuse it. But that was the best test I've ever seen and I learned a lot. Thanks so much and I liked and subscribed.
If u need a different tractor to do weight tests with. U could come to northern Wisconsin and we could do a lift capacity with my yanmar sa424 tractor. It says 1200lbs. But I have lifted multiple huge logs at the same time. If u get a chance to run a yanmar let us know what u think
I was watching you lift the weights and thinking "gosh those weights would be scary if they slipped out" then bang! They slipped out 😂 Thank your for this video! One of the most informative loader capacity videos I've ever seen
The valve had known issues of the stop nuts coming loose. I like the controls of my NH loader. Remove the cover to the battery and the panel behind the loader control stick. Break the zip tie and raise the protective boot and tighten the nuts and it will be much better.
Good review Tim. The other good think about testing with the bucket level is that more closely replicates what you could left when using pallet forks. You would usually want to keep the load level as you lift.
Some weaknesses of the LS and New Holland subcompacts are the joystick has design flaws where the connecting pieces, (forget what they are called,) break and have to be replaced too often, (they are fairly easy to replace.) The ability to change the oil is a problem because the allen wrench style plug siezes and can't be removed. That style of plug is used because of proximaty to the front axle. (I'm considering going to a handpump suction tank through the dipstick.) With over 250 hours it has been a little workhorse and yes I do wish the bucket were larger and it had the quick attack skip-loading on the FEL. A 3RD function would also be nice to control the skip loader attachments like a grapler. Changing the Transmission fluid boosted the response, probably true on all tractors.
The Ford (New Holland) I use @work is a beast. We tried to over load it last week with snow, salt, gravel and roofing materials. Just couldn't over load it. Heck, I used it today as a jack to change the tires on our Kubota. (Floor jack developed a bad leak. We only lifted the front)
Great to see this comparison. I use a massey ferguson and I'm curious how it would compare but those Ls and new hollands have some good lifting specs. Looks like that sv needs a reseal or replacement though, the o-rings are allowing bleeding to the other port.
As always, another excellent video. Nearby to me are a Deere dealer, a Case-IH (with Yanmar-Cub Cadet compact & sub-caompact) dealer and a New Holland (with Kubota for compact & sub-compact) dealer. I had not yet found your TH-cam channel when I was researching a sub-compact, so it took a while. I now recommend your channel to anyone considering a purchase.
Tim I had a Boomer 25 2012 year of make good little tractor my bucket rams started leaking I couldn’t get internal parts for repair. I had to buy new cylinders it was 5 months to get so I traded it in for a Kubota B2650 with a cab. I love this Kubota.
As you have a zillion comments you probably won't see this but I used to have a Ford/New Holland 1620d (1500 hours) and I now have a 2019 2032R. I find the loader hydraulics on the 2032R to be jumpy whereas on the 1620 they were very smooth. Also the float function worked very well on the 1620. That said I like the 2032R better but the 1620 had its merits. The main reason I switched was because I was tired of skinning my knuckles taking off the deck (which I hardly ever did), the muffler not sticking up, and the quick-tach loader. Other than that the old 1620 was a very good machine! The loader was very easy to remove on that machine as well.
I believe the new Kioti 20 series machines have the new "best in class" lift for a scut. Get your hands on one Tim. Would love to see this test repeated on one of those
In the future you might look at getting a narrow water totem. Put in buck and strap down put fire hose in and do same test. Add or subtract water to get very accurate test of carry capacity. Then you can utilize water around property as well
I sure appreciate your honest reviews on all the different types of attachments, equipment and tractors. I am needing to sell my 2007 John Deere 2305 that I truly love and have always maintained in tip top shape. Regardless of hours which JD only has about 600 hrs, I have always changed all the fluids (oil and hydraulic) including all the filters (fuel,air,oil and hydraulic filters) every year. I am needing more PTO power. I am glad I watched your video on the New Holland I have kick around the idea of looking at looking at them. I have used a friends Kabota that has about 3 more HP on the hydraulics then my 2305, but I can outperform his tractor by lifting not to mention the hydraulics on the Kabota just do not operate smooth like the Deere. I am sticking with the Deere I want the 2038R (30.4 Hydraulic HP) with the bucket and now Frontier has the reverse tine tiller and pallet forks but the $42.000 is a bit much so I will probably end up with the 2032R that has 24.2 PTO hp for about 10,000 less.
Been watching a lot of your videos, it is easy to see your preference is green period. I don't know which is best, one of my sons is now riding a new green bought last year because he liked the new green I put my dad on year before last & both have big smiles. I started out on a case IH & that ended badly JUNK ! tested several Oranges & just not comfortable, well 30 years & 4 blue later I am still smiling. I have sold 2 & still have 2 , the 94 model says FORD & the 96 model say Ford/New Holland. I like green & respect green, but with 52 years of operation between the 2 with no breakdowns ? Thank you Tim for your great videos.
I think that NH had a hard life , an at 400 hrs shouldn't have that must play in the valve body like that , interesting to see from a brand new one the difference?? . Next time my friend has his NH out im going to look into that .
Yeah, looks like a rental that's been rode to hell and back. I have an LS MT122, same tractor, minus 3HP. The valve body on mine is tight, crisp, and responsive. The loader feels overpowered for the size and weight of the tractor, and the float position is very obvious.
Your "flat bucket" explanation for testing does make sense because if you are using forks and loading a flatbed then you will not be curled. Good work you two!
I have a Workmaster 25S. The float function works how you suggest. Your demo tractor's float must be broken, which might also explain some of your other problems with the valve. I don't have any of the weird things like you do (dumping when curling for example).
Would be nicer to be able to test them all new, and that valve issue maybe would maybe not be an issue but it'd irritate the hell out of me. Still they often list very high limits on loader ability which it's good to see those aren't under some situation I'd never encounter. It makes me think maybe it's not all vape and mirrors! Also sold the 2038R last week! Pretty upset, but it found a fantastic home with some good people and I've set my sights on a much much larger LS. You guys got me started on tractors and now I can't stop! They're so much fun and I've been able to do so much with mine. If they're not a mythical creature I should have a MT573 by Christmas, which will be so much more fun in the cold then a open station 2038..
Jumping in late Tim. I only read about half the comments, so I may be beating a “dead horse”. A couple years ago I purchased an LS repo configured as the NH. It had hard usage IMO with 270 hours. The loader valve was super sloppy and needed adjustment. Since it’s sorta useful around the place I’ve kept it, got it “right”. I’m still learning on loader usage, but seems to be adequate? I did immediately add ballast and I feel everyone should. It would not have been my first choice due to size and pin on bucket, but bought due to it being cheap! Having other tractors I’ve found each has quirks as it were. Now to my question, I have had a tiny Yanmar for 36 years, no hour meter! I do not worry about hours. A maintenance reference for me. I’ve always felt diesel fuel was cheaper than starters and flywheel gears. Lots of idling as I do stuff. Do you personally worry about the hours you put on your tractors? Thanks in advance. Stan here.
Hey Stan. I am concerned about hours on my new machines. They ‘cost a lot’. Hours on an older machine are cheap, so less worrisome. I do not let my tractors idle. You may be right about wear on flywheel and starter. I just hate the noise. Especially when shooting video. So, I shut it off with nearly every stop. In other words, my priorities might be totally different than yours simply because of my usage and needs. I’ve never had any issue with the drivetrain on any of these machines, so I’m getting to where I treat them rougher over time. Gaining confidence that they will last forever:-) Your thoughts?
@@TractorTimewithTim Well Tim you said it best. One size does not fit all / different strokes for different folks. I’m not videoing (camera waver) and noise doesn’t seem to be an issue for me. So I suspect I’ll continue my practice. I’m STILL waiting on my newest and may be more careful as the hours build on arrival. Probably not. One comment I failed to mention earlier is that with the MT 125 at idle the loader is practically useless. The RPMs must be up to use the loader. The RK25 is smooth/usable at idle! I’m up to my butt in tractors, I even have a couple of Hinomoto’s. At 76 I’ll let someone else worry about the hours at the auction I guess. Fun until it’s “over”. Thanks for the immediate reply. Stan
Great test, Tim. I was impressed with the lift capacity - but wouldn't be able to deal with the sloppy hydraulic control with the joystick. That would drive me crazy.
I have a Mahindra Max 26 subcompact with an SSQA I could bring up. I bought it under the impression it had the best lift capacity. I am local to you in Indiana.
I have watched this video now at least three times. I did a little research on this tractor and prior to 2021 this model only came with pin on buckets, all current models are skid steer attach. The loader valve on this model(only) does not allow multidimensional valve movement. This model is really unique to the NH line. It differs from the Workmaster and Boomer Series tractors in many aspects. That particular bucket is a dirt bucket. I don't hear people talking about them that way any more but the smaller, narrower buckets were always meant for dirt moving. There were many reasons for that.
@Tractor Time with Tim I just fixed my sloppy loader joystick problem. The ball ends that actually attach the joystick to the loader valve itself are probably loose. I just fixed mine this week, as I actually broke a ball end at 96hours on Monday. Your joystick looks exactly the same way mine did before I fixed it.
After watching the video, that’s the exact issue I was having before I broke the ball ends and fixed them. I have a video on my TH-cam showing how much tighter my joystick is now if you’d like to check it out. It’s like 19 seconds.
Great video Tim, the loader valve is obviously worn out on that machine.. which is no excuse as it doesn’t have that many hours to be so sloppy and worn so they should have built it better
I have a 2020 MT122. It came standard with the newer quick attach bucket, but not the quick attach mechanism. The quick attach bucket is a dual mount, and works as a pin on bucket, or with the quick attach adapter. The geometry does not change when using it with the quick attach adapter, so the only drawback to using it is the extra weight. I did not weigh the adapter before I installed it, but it is not very heavy, maybe 50 or 60 pounds. I don't notice the reduction in lift capacity. I don't know if there are any significant differences between the geometry of the new bucket vs the old one that would affect the lift capacity. The biggest drawback of the quick attach is that it is not SSQA. It looks similar and functions the same, but it is a proprietary mini version, so you can't use standard SSQA attachments. I'm glad that they designed a quick attach system that is relatively compact, lightweight and appropriately sized for the machine, but the lack of available attachments for it makes it almost useless. JDQA really takes the win for versatility in the subcompact market, due to the widespread aftermarket support. If other manufacturers adopted the design and it gained enough popularity to encourage implement manufacturers to support it, it would be a good system.
I just watched a video showing the new 25s and it appears that it does have a standard SSQA now. I guess New Holland recognized the problem with the LS system and speced it with a full size SSQA for compatibility. There aren't many differences between the NH and LS, but this does appear to be one of them.
Interesting video but that is one dangerous tractor. Although the lift capacity seems to be what many people look for in a tractor, the reality is that it’s rarely ever used. Even if it were, one has to ask how long the front axle would hold up where the FEL has been over-cylindered in order to have lift bragging rights. The reality is that any FEL can be designed to lift amazing amounts of weight, but if the axle and bearings - or for that matter the tractor itself - aren’t built for it, there will be failures or even worse - safety issues. Deere and Kubota tend to build their FEL’s to lift sensible amounts that match the capacity and strength of their tractors. That’s why those brands last for thousands of hours and years of use with nothing more than greasing and scheduled fluid changes. And that’s also why they retain their value better than any other compact tractor on the market.
I had to tighten the nut that held the control handle into the loader valve because it came loose. After that everything works like a dream. Its definitely a work horse and besides not having the drive over deck, ive not missed any Deere features yet. I especially liked the $3k difference in price if not more loll. Mines a 2020 model.
Hey brother, my new holland tc24da 3 points hotch does not work, i disconnect the backhoe, was trying to use the 3 points but didnt work, any suggestions please
We've got a hard used 2017 MT125. I'd say that one has a valve issue. Full float is all the way forward and mine doesn't dump when lowering and curling. I really do wish it had the SSQA but it is what it is.
I'm glad you are doing tests with the W25S. It is the tractor I am most interest in. I was considering the JD with drive over deck, but I'm not 100% certain on that vs the pull out. Only problem is whatever I get will be my new mower and I will want to take the deck off often enough to consider it. Grapple use is my primary thoughts after mowing. Largest lift capacity is best. I was considering the 2032R but I'm just not sure.
@@chiefjoseph8154 I actually ended up going with an LS MT225s. The guy at the dealer said he doesn't recommend mowing with a tractor around my area because we get so much rain the tractors are too heavy and leave ruts. So I spent the money on a bigger tractor instead.
Little blue there looks like it's had a hard life for only 400hrs. I have driven 100 hp loader tractors, John Deere, Massey ferguson, Case, etc, sometimes a bigger bucket isn't always a good thing, but at the end of the day all that matters is it can do what you want it to do, doesn't matter what kind of machine it is, and yes I have a mt125, maybe a little favoritism on my part. Keep putting out great videos like this.
he was saying that the smaller pin on style bucket assembly weighs less than the bigger quick attach buckets so that was less fixed weight to lift allowing more tare weight to be lifted ....had nothing to do with capacity
It still surprises me how all these small looking loaders can still handle such weight, its pretty impressive, and yes, I think your way of testing the lift capacity is the more honest one I have seen Everybody can compare very easily with that But, I also wonder if that valve are defective, I have never seen a valve behave like that on such a new tractor, only in very old ones where I know the seals and valves are not good
I dont own a tractor yet but probably will be purchasing soon as we are moving from subdivision to horse property. I only anticipate light use so sub compact will most likely be what I get. I just wanted to comment that coming from having no tractor I am not overly concerned with lift capacity. The way I see it is if it can load, lift and move a wheelbarrow full or more of material I would otherwise have to do manually, I'll take it. lol
Coming off a '56 Ford 640 that I had owned for 17 years. I looked at New Holland 25S, several Kubotas . . . and went with a JD 1025R. Smaller and lighter bucket lifting more weight. OK. But larger loads and less trips with a 53" bucket? OK as well. I don't need to fill high trucks. I need to move loads at ground level. Except with pallet forks. Then lift and load rules.
I realize the price dynamics are different in the USA than in Canada but a 1025 r is priced about $10000 more the any of the other sub compact tractors. I do think it is better than the others but is not in the price class. It really is priced with the B series Kubota which out classes the 1025r. It is like apples to oranges based on price. The doesn't mean the Deere is bad it means it sits between sub compact and compact.
I really enjoyed this and glad to see you testing a New Holland / LS tractor. I have a LS MT125 - 2020 model (bought it because of your videos). It is my first tractor and I like it but it does have it's own idiosyncrasies. 1. I have had to replace the parts in the front end loader twice (see my youtube video on gray acres) 2. the front left tire leaks air around the rim and has to have air added ever other day. The right is not as bad but leaks 3. never received any communications from the manufacturer and it is registered in my name
Boy Tim, you get extra credit for lugging those weights around. No need to go the gym after that. Always interesting to see your observations and comments. That faulty curl is definitely a “no go”! Blessings!
Good fair objective video as always Tim, I have the same tractor as commented before and I can tell you that you seem to have a valve issue as well. I can also tell you from experience I had mine loosen up and had to be serviced under warranty and I would be willing to bet it is something along those lines as seeing the condition that LBB is in I don't believe the previous owner was one to do much in the way of service on that tractor. Keep up the good work and God Bless you and Christy.
Please make an effort to do the same test with SkisSteer quick attach. I would love to see the comparison. Even if you redo the test on a different tractor.
Is there a comparison graph somewhere between the Kubota, John Deere, and New Holland (LS)? Could someone please share a link to it (if it exists)? My neighbor is thinking about buying a New Holland or a Kubota BX, I have a 1025R, and my brother in-law has a B2600. It would be useful to be able to compare the lifting capacities.
Ah, but does the rating at the pin include the bucket weight? If you cannot answer that easily, then even more confusion is added. Both the Deere and Kubota 500 mm measurements include the bucket.....and I believe their ‘at the pin’ measurements include the bucket as well.
Good video tim and christy. Looks like the lift arms are shorter than the ones on the JD1025, can you do a measurement there too. That would increase the lift too. Either way the NH did lift a good about of weight. Rural King claims their tractor can lift a lot too. Too bad Mike Morgan doesn't have that one still. Have a Great Day, GOD BLESS
great test! Have you done Kubota L series tests? You should create a playlist with these type of tests on different tractors if you have access to them for testing.
That curl function going down instead of up with a load in it is due to the lack of a load control type of valve. These type of valves are more expensive but they will correct that problem. Another name for the load control is called a counter balance valve. These will not let the oil coming from the cylinders go out until it’s input pressure is greater than it so as to over come the tendency to go the wrong way before the input pressure can hold the load.
I’m curious how the cats take to the different tractors. Do they like the green ones over the blue or orange? Which tractor are the cats sleeping on when you first open the door? That stat will not be in the manual. Which seats color do they like? ....... Good job on the demo. That tractor probably needs a new valve for the bucket control. With 400 hours, there is some wear in that valve body. In my view, the lack of the quick attach bucket is a game changer. It may pick up a little more weight, but the challenge factor in putting different attachments would out weigh that decision. (No pun intended) A new buyer without experience may not realize that right away with out watching your channel first.
When you look at Crane capacity, they measure it 5' from the pin center ( where the crane rotates). At least Grove does. I've done crane work with a 320 ton crane that was maxed out with a load of 10,000 lbs. the stick was out 170' and at no more than a 40 degree angle.
Hi Tim great job testing the lift capacity the sloppy valve would scare me , I have a 2017 NH Boomer 24 and the joystick is on a pedestal just in front of the right fender a little taller than the pto and 3 point handle, it's very easy to feather the controls. ps. it dose have the float position.
Good morning Tim. Great video, as always. I would love to see a lifting capacity test on the newer Yanmar 324/424. Have you ever thought about introducing Yanmar to your videos, or have any future plans on doing so ? Thanks for all the work you and Christy put into your videos.
Very informative vid, I really liked the objectivity. I have worked with heavy equipment and farm equipment. Anybody that can correct me on this, and please do if I misspeak. The farm duty loader uses the rod end of the hydraulic cylinder to curl the bucket, heavy or industrial equipment have an added linkage to use the non rod end to curl the bucket which creates far more force. Looking at the bucket cylinders I am guessing they are 2 " diameter with 1 1/4 " rods?? But take the area of the cylinder, minus the area of the rod and then multiply your pressure, that is the max force of each bucket cylinder. When you are putting the loader down and then try to curl a huge load, the bucket will uncurl and force the fluid to the least load which is the rod end of the lift cylinders. Worst thing that can and does happen on some hydraulic systems when overloaded, the lift lever is pulled the load is raising and then the curl lever is used, the bucket uncurls and the lift raises faster not a nice surprise, fluid goes to the least resistance which sometimes is backwards. Manufactures need to advertise the lifting capacity near the their sold buckets cutting edge.
Looks like the control valve is missing it’s load check valve (or it doesn’t have one, but it should). The spool is opening the rod end of the cylinder to before the pump oil has overcome the pressure in the cylinder.
Nice test, my John Deere 790 has a pathetic lift capacity for its size to be blunt. Also I have a dead spot in the scv just like you demonstrated where you pull in to curl and it dumps your load on the ground.. shortly after buying the tractor I was loading fire wood into a person's trailer and I dumped the load of wood all over the ground behind the trailer I thought I had done something wrong turns out it was the dead spot in the valve. They want a fortune to rebuild or replace that valve so I have learned to snap the lever past the dead spot quickly but it truthfully drives me absolutely nuts...
Anyone know if there are cables to adjust for the loader valve? Seems to me that a few minutes of adjustment would fix at least all the slop in the controls. Tim, for safety sake have a “bucket” built to 1 pack weight on a 3 point and 2 hook to a loader to preform your weight test.
Wow!!! Two episodes with the cap. I'll have to get you another special cap next time we meet. Give Christy her cap back. LOL.
Impressed with how much the NH can lift, too.
On some of the early models of the 1025R, there was a problem of the "droopy bucket syndrome" that some of the members on GTT talked about, It was similar to the bucket dumping instead of curling up as you found on the NH. Mine never had the problem, though.
My ls mt122 had the same issue. I just fixed it. My rod end balls for the joystick mechanism were all loose. Was a real problem, and I only found it cause I actually broke one of the rod ends just on Tuesday night. I fixed it Wednesday, and it’s a HUGE improvement. I was pretty surprised that it had been a issue since the day I bought the tractor. My dads yanmar also has the droopy bucket syndrome too. We’re checking his joystick out this weekend.
The 1026R I had suffered horribly from “droopy bucket syndrome”. JD released a TSB with a fix. If I remember correctly, it was a check valve installed in the SCV to hold pressure in the cylinders until the curl hydraulics took over with enough pressure. The side effect: dump was much slower. I also had to search for a dealer willing to install the valve; my selling dealer wouldn’t do it unless I dropped the machine now for an appointment 3 weeks in the future, then they had to duplicate the problem. Unless they put a few hundred pounds of load in the bucket, it wouldn’t droop.
This is why independent testing means so much more than specs on a piece of paper. Great stuff, Tim!
I own one of these and love it. I have zero issues with the valve and the float feature works fine for me. Perfect size bucket etc. for what I need it for.
I'm no farmer but I bleed green and very interested in getting one of these
Yesterday I was thinking, 'man I wonder if Tim has a lift capacity video on that workmaster'. Not really in the market, but fun to watch!
This is the same tractor I bought new in 2020 .
Love it .
It's a work horse for its size for sure .
I have buddy's with deer and Kubota and even a Mahindra.
I have used all of them myself .
I chose to buy the New Holland Work Master 25s.
I think they all had things I liked about them .
But this one checked more boxes then all the others .
Good video
Does yours exibit the issue where the bucket drops when trying to curl while lifting?
Hello, Since you've owned and operated the NH 25s I figure you would be a good person to ask if you dont mind. Have you experienced the dip when it should curl issue Tim ran into? If so, are you living with the issue or was it fixable? Also, do you know how to set the float?
Congratulations. Wasn’t that long ago you had to ask for help doing heavy lifting because of your health. I’m so glad to see you improved and doing things like this. Watch those cheeseburgers and keep up the great videos. Don’t forget to give Christy her hat back. Lol
God bless.
Bruce from Mason Michigan
Hi Tim, I realize this video is almost a year old and I haven't read all your comments but I know what was wrong with that loader valve. I have a LS MT-125 and these tractors are identical. In fact through my research LS makes it for New Holland. But on the valve. My tractor had the same issues with that valve and more. The fix was that the valve top, where the heim joints to the valves are come loose. The operator handle comes loose too and then you have all kinds of thing going on there at the top of that valve at the same time. I tightened EVERYTHING up at the top of the valve and it didn't work this good from the factory.
I so appreciate you doing this lift test to see exactly what this machine can lift. I also found it interesting how you graphed the fact that is loses capacity as the bucket goes up. The "1000" pound lift capacity at the pins was a selling point for me and I've figured that the best this machine could do with the bucket was about 850 pounds. But what a surprise to see you snatch that heavy load off the ground. I have to write down those numbers so I have an idea but I personally wouldn't put more then 1000 pounds in that bucket as it's my machine and I don't want to abuse it. But that was the best test I've ever seen and I learned a lot. Thanks so much and I liked and subscribed.
Thanks for the kind words, and explanation on the valve.
If u need a different tractor to do weight tests with. U could come to northern Wisconsin and we could do a lift capacity with my yanmar sa424 tractor. It says 1200lbs. But I have lifted multiple huge logs at the same time. If u get a chance to run a yanmar let us know what u think
I was watching you lift the weights and thinking "gosh those weights would be scary if they slipped out" then bang! They slipped out 😂 Thank your for this video! One of the most informative loader capacity videos I've ever seen
I’ve used this same machine for about 60 hours. Never once had the issue you are having with the valve for the loader. Definitely have that looked at
Yea, Pretty sure that was a bad loader valve.
The valve had known issues of the stop nuts coming loose. I like the controls of my NH loader. Remove the cover to the battery and the panel behind the loader control stick. Break the zip tie and raise the protective boot and tighten the nuts and it will be much better.
My LS MT125 had the same problem. My LS service guy wanted to replace the whole valve. I said no and fixed it my self.
Great video, the loader valve on my 2019 MT 125 does not have any curl issues, and the float woks great by pushing the lever forward.
Good review Tim. The other good think about testing with the bucket level is that more closely replicates what you could left when using pallet forks. You would usually want to keep the load level as you lift.
20 seconds in... I knew this was gonna be good! the expression on Tims face when the weights went flying lol
Some weaknesses of the LS and New Holland subcompacts are the joystick has design flaws where the connecting pieces, (forget what they are called,) break and have to be replaced too often, (they are fairly easy to replace.) The ability to change the oil is a problem because the allen wrench style plug siezes and can't be removed. That style of plug is used because of proximaty to the front axle. (I'm considering going to a handpump suction tank through the dipstick.) With over 250 hours it has been a little workhorse and yes I do wish the bucket were larger and it had the quick attack skip-loading on the FEL. A 3RD function would also be nice to control the skip loader attachments like a grapler. Changing the Transmission fluid boosted the response, probably true on all tractors.
Replaced my connection to the dumping portion of the valve for the FEL 3 times in 6 months after I purchased it brand new in 2019. Such junk.
The Ford (New Holland) I use @work is a beast. We tried to over load it last week with snow, salt, gravel and roofing materials. Just couldn't over load it. Heck, I used it today as a jack to change the tires on our Kubota. (Floor jack developed a bad leak. We only lifted the front)
Great to see this comparison. I use a massey ferguson and I'm curious how it would compare but those Ls and new hollands have some good lifting specs. Looks like that sv needs a reseal or replacement though, the o-rings are allowing bleeding to the other port.
Has anyone or yourself thought about using a magnetic level on the side of the bucket for a close levelness? Good video
As always, another excellent video. Nearby to me are a Deere dealer, a Case-IH (with Yanmar-Cub Cadet compact & sub-caompact) dealer and a New Holland (with Kubota for compact & sub-compact) dealer. I had not yet found your TH-cam channel when I was researching a sub-compact, so it took a while. I now recommend your channel to anyone considering a purchase.
Thank goodness Mary wasn’t standing under the bucket when the weights fell! Nice test Tim.
I love how you change the colors of the graphics to match the brands 😂
Particularly when he does head to heads you will fade to the other color
Tim I had a Boomer 25 2012 year of make good little tractor my bucket rams started leaking I couldn’t get internal parts for repair. I had to buy new cylinders it was 5 months to get so I traded it in for a Kubota B2650 with a cab. I love this Kubota.
By always keeping the bucket level it gives a good apples to apples comparison. Love the comparisons that you do.
As you have a zillion comments you probably won't see this but I used to have a Ford/New Holland 1620d (1500 hours) and I now have a 2019 2032R. I find the loader hydraulics on the 2032R to be jumpy whereas on the 1620 they were very smooth. Also the float function worked very well on the 1620. That said I like the 2032R better but the 1620 had its merits. The main reason I switched was because I was tired of skinning my knuckles taking off the deck (which I hardly ever did), the muffler not sticking up, and the quick-tach loader. Other than that the old 1620 was a very good machine! The loader was very easy to remove on that machine as well.
I believe the new Kioti 20 series machines have the new "best in class" lift for a scut. Get your hands on one Tim. Would love to see this test repeated on one of those
That lil blue tractor's been worked hard and put away wet. ( Somebody else has already tore it up...)
Beat up like a rental, seems like a lot of money to spend on something just to destroy it.
That was a good test. I almost purchased that size NH, but the JD had much more to offer for me. Good job folks
In the future you might look at getting a narrow water totem. Put in buck and strap down put fire hose in and do same test. Add or subtract water to get very accurate test of carry capacity. Then you can utilize water around property as well
I sure appreciate your honest reviews on all the different types of attachments, equipment and tractors. I am needing to sell my 2007 John Deere 2305 that I truly love and have always maintained in tip top shape. Regardless of hours which JD only has about 600 hrs, I have always changed all the fluids (oil and hydraulic) including all the filters (fuel,air,oil and hydraulic filters) every year. I am needing more PTO power. I am glad I watched your video on the New Holland I have kick around the idea of looking at looking at them. I have used a friends Kabota that has about 3 more HP on the hydraulics then my 2305, but I can outperform his tractor by lifting not to mention the hydraulics on the Kabota just do not operate smooth like the Deere. I am sticking with the Deere I want the 2038R (30.4 Hydraulic HP) with the bucket and now Frontier has the reverse tine tiller and pallet forks but the $42.000 is a bit much so I will probably end up with the 2032R that has 24.2 PTO hp for about 10,000 less.
Been watching a lot of your videos, it is easy to see your preference is green period. I don't know which is best, one of my sons is now riding a new green bought last year because he liked the new green I put my dad on year before last & both have big smiles. I started out on a case IH & that ended badly JUNK ! tested several Oranges & just not comfortable, well 30 years & 4 blue later I am still smiling. I have sold 2 & still have 2 , the 94 model says FORD & the 96 model say Ford/New Holland. I like green & respect green, but with 52 years of operation between the 2 with no breakdowns ? Thank you Tim for your great videos.
Great demonstration TTWT! Sorry about your concrete floor taking a beating!
I think that NH had a hard life , an at 400 hrs shouldn't have that must play in the valve body like that , interesting to see from a brand new one the difference?? . Next time my friend has his NH out im going to look into that .
Yeah, looks like a rental that's been rode to hell and back. I have an LS MT122, same tractor, minus 3HP. The valve body on mine is tight, crisp, and responsive. The loader feels overpowered for the size and weight of the tractor, and the float position is very obvious.
Thank you. I agree, that machine is beat to hell.
That thing is dangerous. When you dumped those weights, it was just a good example. I’m glad you caught that on camera. I’ll stick to my 1025r.
Your "flat bucket" explanation for testing does make sense because if you are using forks and loading a flatbed then you will not be curled. Good work you two!
I have a Workmaster 25S. The float function works how you suggest. Your demo tractor's float must be broken, which might also explain some of your other problems with the valve. I don't have any of the weird things like you do (dumping when curling for example).
Would be nicer to be able to test them all new, and that valve issue maybe would maybe not be an issue but it'd irritate the hell out of me. Still they often list very high limits on loader ability which it's good to see those aren't under some situation I'd never encounter. It makes me think maybe it's not all vape and mirrors!
Also sold the 2038R last week! Pretty upset, but it found a fantastic home with some good people and I've set my sights on a much much larger LS. You guys got me started on tractors and now I can't stop! They're so much fun and I've been able to do so much with mine. If they're not a mythical creature I should have a MT573 by Christmas, which will be so much more fun in the cold then a open station 2038..
My Yanmar SA424 will do just about anything you ask it. I use it to log my small farm and run my firewood business.
are these decent? found one used with little hours for good price.
Tim Christi great demonstration very fair
God Bless All
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Nice job with the testing. Being objective and keeping the tests as similar as possible provides useful information.
That's nice automatic leveling function for fork attachment :)
Jumping in late Tim. I only read about half the comments, so I may be beating a “dead horse”. A couple years ago I purchased an LS repo configured as the NH. It had hard usage IMO with 270 hours. The loader valve was super sloppy and needed adjustment. Since it’s sorta useful around the place I’ve kept it, got it “right”. I’m still learning on loader usage, but seems to be adequate? I did immediately add ballast and I feel everyone should. It would not have been my first choice due to size and pin on bucket, but bought due to it being cheap! Having other tractors I’ve found each has quirks as it were. Now to my question, I have had a tiny Yanmar for 36 years, no hour meter! I do not worry about hours. A maintenance reference for me. I’ve always felt diesel fuel was cheaper than starters and flywheel gears. Lots of idling as I do stuff. Do you personally worry about the hours you put on your tractors? Thanks in advance. Stan here.
Hey Stan.
I am concerned about hours on my new machines. They ‘cost a lot’. Hours on an older machine are cheap, so less worrisome.
I do not let my tractors idle. You may be right about wear on flywheel and starter. I just hate the noise. Especially when shooting video. So, I shut it off with nearly every stop.
In other words, my priorities might be totally different than yours simply because of my usage and needs.
I’ve never had any issue with the drivetrain on any of these machines, so I’m getting to where I treat them rougher over time. Gaining confidence that they will last forever:-)
Your thoughts?
@@TractorTimewithTim Well Tim you said it best. One size does not fit all / different strokes for different folks. I’m not videoing (camera waver) and noise doesn’t seem to be an issue for me. So I suspect I’ll continue my practice. I’m STILL waiting on my newest and may be more careful as the hours build on arrival. Probably not. One comment I failed to mention earlier is that with the MT 125 at idle the loader is practically useless. The RPMs must be up to use the loader. The RK25 is smooth/usable at idle! I’m up to my butt in tractors, I even have a couple of Hinomoto’s. At 76 I’ll let someone else worry about the hours at the auction I guess. Fun until it’s “over”. Thanks for the immediate reply. Stan
Great test, Tim. I was impressed with the lift capacity - but wouldn't be able to deal with the sloppy hydraulic control with the joystick. That would drive me crazy.
I have a Mahindra Max 26 subcompact with an SSQA I could bring up. I bought it under the impression it had the best lift capacity. I am local to you in Indiana.
Hi Tim, I love the whole Home Depot vibe you have going on there. It's an ACTUAL Depot, at Home.
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I have watched this video now at least three times. I did a little research on this tractor and prior to 2021 this model only came with pin on buckets, all current models are skid steer attach. The loader valve on this model(only) does not allow multidimensional valve movement. This model is really unique to the NH line. It differs from the Workmaster and Boomer Series tractors in many aspects. That particular bucket is a dirt bucket. I don't hear people talking about them that way any more but the smaller, narrower buckets were always meant for dirt moving. There were many reasons for that.
Well, it is identical to the LS MT125 ...but yes, they moved away from the pin on bucket. ...good move there!
@Tractor Time with Tim I just fixed my sloppy loader joystick problem. The ball ends that actually attach the joystick to the loader valve itself are probably loose. I just fixed mine this week, as I actually broke a ball end at 96hours on Monday. Your joystick looks exactly the same way mine did before I fixed it.
After watching the video, that’s the exact issue I was having before I broke the ball ends and fixed them. I have a video on my TH-cam showing how much tighter my joystick is now if you’d like to check it out. It’s like 19 seconds.
Great video Tim, the loader valve is obviously worn out on that machine.. which is no excuse as it doesn’t have that many hours to be so sloppy and worn so they should have built it better
Great video, bottom line : very good performance for a sub compact tractor.
I have a 2020 MT122. It came standard with the newer quick attach bucket, but not the quick attach mechanism. The quick attach bucket is a dual mount, and works as a pin on bucket, or with the quick attach adapter. The geometry does not change when using it with the quick attach adapter, so the only drawback to using it is the extra weight. I did not weigh the adapter before I installed it, but it is not very heavy, maybe 50 or 60 pounds. I don't notice the reduction in lift capacity. I don't know if there are any significant differences between the geometry of the new bucket vs the old one that would affect the lift capacity. The biggest drawback of the quick attach is that it is not SSQA. It looks similar and functions the same, but it is a proprietary mini version, so you can't use standard SSQA attachments. I'm glad that they designed a quick attach system that is relatively compact, lightweight and appropriately sized for the machine, but the lack of available attachments for it makes it almost useless. JDQA really takes the win for versatility in the subcompact market, due to the widespread aftermarket support. If other manufacturers adopted the design and it gained enough popularity to encourage implement manufacturers to support it, it would be a good system.
I just watched a video showing the new 25s and it appears that it does have a standard SSQA now. I guess New Holland recognized the problem with the LS system and speced it with a full size SSQA for compatibility. There aren't many differences between the NH and LS, but this does appear to be one of them.
How does the kioti compare to these?
Interesting video but that is one dangerous tractor. Although the lift capacity seems to be what many people look for in a tractor, the reality is that it’s rarely ever used. Even if it were, one has to ask how long the front axle would hold up where the FEL has been over-cylindered in order to have lift bragging rights. The reality is that any FEL can be designed to lift amazing amounts of weight, but if the axle and bearings - or for that matter the tractor itself - aren’t built for it, there will be failures or even worse - safety issues. Deere and Kubota tend to build their FEL’s to lift sensible amounts that match the capacity and strength of their tractors. That’s why those brands last for thousands of hours and years of use with nothing more than greasing and scheduled fluid changes. And that’s also why they retain their value better than any other compact tractor on the market.
That is pretty friggin impressive. I know my CT235 would not lift that much and it's twice the machine.
Good video guys. Thanks for showing the test.
I had to tighten the nut that held the control handle into the loader valve because it came loose. After that everything works like a dream. Its definitely a work horse and besides not having the drive over deck, ive not missed any Deere features yet. I especially liked the $3k difference in price if not more loll. Mines a 2020 model.
Hey brother, my new holland tc24da 3 points hotch does not work, i disconnect the backhoe, was trying to use the 3 points but didnt work, any suggestions please
We've got a hard used 2017 MT125. I'd say that one has a valve issue. Full float is all the way forward and mine doesn't dump when lowering and curling. I really do wish it had the SSQA but it is what it is.
I'm glad you are doing tests with the W25S. It is the tractor I am most interest in. I was considering the JD with drive over deck, but I'm not 100% certain on that vs the pull out. Only problem is whatever I get will be my new mower and I will want to take the deck off often enough to consider it. Grapple use is my primary thoughts after mowing. Largest lift capacity is best. I was considering the 2032R but I'm just not sure.
We’ll show attach ability soon.
The tractor is gutless. Trust me.
@@chiefjoseph8154 I actually ended up going with an LS MT225s. The guy at the dealer said he doesn't recommend mowing with a tractor around my area because we get so much rain the tractors are too heavy and leave ruts. So I spent the money on a bigger tractor instead.
that's impressive considering it's weight out past the pins and not counting the weight of the bucket
Fill the Holland bucket with water, then dump it into the Johnny bucket for a capacity difference test. Great video!
Tim Your comparison flat is good demonstration because alot of people would use that for how much forks would pick up.
Little blue there looks like it's had a hard life for only 400hrs. I have driven 100 hp loader tractors, John Deere, Massey ferguson, Case, etc, sometimes a bigger bucket isn't always a good thing, but at the end of the day all that matters is it can do what you want it to do, doesn't matter what kind of machine it is, and yes I have a mt125, maybe a little favoritism on my part. Keep putting out great videos like this.
he was saying that the smaller pin on style bucket assembly weighs less than the bigger quick attach buckets so that was less fixed weight to lift allowing more tare weight to be lifted ....had nothing to do with capacity
It still surprises me how all these small looking loaders can still handle such weight, its pretty impressive, and yes, I think your way of testing the lift capacity is the more honest one I have seen
Everybody can compare very easily with that
But, I also wonder if that valve are defective, I have never seen a valve behave like that on such a new tractor, only in very old ones where I know the seals and valves are not good
I dont own a tractor yet but probably will be purchasing soon as we are moving from subdivision to horse property. I only anticipate light use so sub compact will most likely be what I get. I just wanted to comment that coming from having no tractor I am not overly concerned with lift capacity. The way I see it is if it can load, lift and move a wheelbarrow full or more of material I would otherwise have to do manually, I'll take it. lol
Gary, please at least consider the 1025r. It is a much nicer machine than the NH 25s
Coming off a '56 Ford 640 that I had owned for 17 years. I looked at New Holland 25S, several Kubotas . . . and went with a JD 1025R. Smaller and lighter bucket lifting more weight. OK. But larger loads and less trips with a 53" bucket? OK as well. I don't need to fill high trucks. I need to move loads at ground level. Except with pallet forks. Then lift and load rules.
Another clear and concise informational video. I love the videos that you two do. Who does the editing?
I realize the price dynamics are different in the USA than in Canada but a 1025 r is priced about $10000 more the any of the other sub compact tractors. I do think it is better than the others but is not in the price class. It really is priced with the B series Kubota which out classes the 1025r. It is like apples to oranges based on price. The doesn't mean the Deere is bad it means it sits between sub compact and compact.
I really enjoyed this and glad to see you testing a New Holland / LS tractor. I have a LS MT125 - 2020 model (bought it because of your videos). It is my first tractor and I like it but it does have it's own idiosyncrasies.
1. I have had to replace the parts in the front end loader twice (see my youtube video on gray acres)
2. the front left tire leaks air around the rim and has to have air added ever other day. The right is not as bad but leaks
3. never received any communications from the manufacturer and it is registered in my name
That sounds super frustrating
Thank you Tim & Christy. Another excellent video!!..
Are the hoses mixed up for curling the bucket?
No. It works fine cept in that one position.
Boy Tim, you get extra credit for lugging those weights around. No need to go the gym after that. Always interesting to see your observations and comments. That faulty curl is definitely a “no go”! Blessings!
I have a bob cat 1021 if u want do any tests on it
Impressive lift capacity with Holly! I wouldn't be fond of that issue with the valve wanting to dump when curling either.
Good fair objective video as always Tim, I have the same tractor as commented before and I can tell you that you seem to have a valve issue as well. I can also tell you from experience I had mine loosen up and had to be serviced under warranty and I would be willing to bet it is something along those lines as seeing the condition that LBB is in I don't believe the previous owner was one to do much in the way of service on that tractor. Keep up the good work and God Bless you and Christy.
Many good points; however the quality control issues should or could have been caught by the dealer.
Please make an effort to do the same test with SkisSteer quick attach. I would love to see the comparison. Even if you redo the test on a different tractor.
Is there a comparison graph somewhere between the Kubota, John Deere, and New Holland (LS)?
Could someone please share a link to it (if it exists)?
My neighbor is thinking about buying a New Holland or a Kubota BX, I have a 1025R, and my brother in-law has a B2600. It would be useful to be able to compare the lifting capacities.
So long as you use the same criteria from model to model, it's a fair comparison.
Rating at the pin is a good comparison point because it compensate for different buckets or whatevers that might be used.
Ah, but does the rating at the pin include the bucket weight?
If you cannot answer that easily, then even more confusion is added.
Both the Deere and Kubota 500 mm measurements include the bucket.....and I believe their ‘at the pin’ measurements include the bucket as well.
That was the same as my 1026R's "Droopy" bucket syndrome , which they fixed under warranty.
I'd like to see a TYM tested. I know same thing as a Mahindra but I don't think you've tested either unless I missed something
Some of us Nerds would of loved to see an overlay line graph of blue, orange, & green lift capacity heights.
I’m not sure I have the orange. Didn’t start making graphs until later!
@@TractorTimewithTim maybe to come later then! Great video as usual Tim.
The farther into this series you get. The more banged up it seems. Someone really abused it.
Good video tim and christy. Looks like the lift arms are shorter than the ones on the JD1025, can you do a measurement there too. That would increase the lift too. Either way the NH did lift a good about of weight. Rural King claims their tractor can lift a lot too. Too bad Mike Morgan doesn't have that one still. Have a Great Day, GOD BLESS
great test!
Have you done Kubota L series tests?
You should create a playlist with these type of tests on different tractors if you have access to them for testing.
That curl function going down instead of up with a load in it is due to the lack of a load control type of valve. These type of valves are more expensive but they will correct that problem. Another name for the load control is called a counter balance valve. These will not let the oil coming from the cylinders go out until it’s input pressure is greater than it so as to over come the tendency to go the wrong way before the input pressure can hold the load.
I’m curious how the cats take to the different tractors. Do they like the green ones over the blue or orange? Which tractor are the cats sleeping on when you first open the door? That stat will not be in the manual. Which seats color do they like? ....... Good job on the demo. That tractor probably needs a new valve for the bucket control. With 400 hours, there is some wear in that valve body. In my view, the lack of the quick attach bucket is a game changer. It may pick up a little more weight, but the challenge factor in putting different attachments would out weigh that decision. (No pun intended) A new buyer without experience may not realize that right away with out watching your channel first.
The cats don’t seem to have preference! They sleep on all the seats!
When you look at Crane capacity, they measure it 5' from the pin center ( where the crane rotates). At least Grove does. I've done crane work with a 320 ton crane that was maxed out with a load of 10,000 lbs. the stick was out 170' and at no more than a 40 degree angle.
What’s the weights difference of the buckets seeing the JD is bigger also grea compares
How do like the quick attach bucket on the Kubota compared to the bucket attachment on the deere.
I have a video on that. Jdqa vs. ssqa
Hi Tim great job testing the lift capacity the sloppy valve would scare me , I have a 2017 NH Boomer 24 and the joystick is on a pedestal just in front of the right fender a little taller than the pto and 3 point handle, it's very easy to feather the controls. ps. it dose have the float position.
Good morning Tim. Great video, as always. I would love to see a lifting capacity test on the newer Yanmar 324/424. Have you ever thought about introducing Yanmar to your videos, or have any future plans on doing so ? Thanks for all the work you and Christy put into your videos.
Only one dealer in the state of Indiana.
Welcome to Tim's gymn time .
people complain about lift capacity of FEL while not thinking about the load they are placing on the front axel.
I have 44 hours on mine and I love it. However the wheel fell of via the wheel bearing at 2000 rpm low gear
Very informative vid, I really liked the objectivity. I have worked with heavy equipment and farm equipment. Anybody that can correct me on this, and please do if I misspeak. The farm duty loader uses the rod end of the hydraulic cylinder to curl the bucket, heavy or industrial equipment have an added linkage to use the non rod end to curl the bucket which creates far more force. Looking at the bucket cylinders I am guessing they are 2 " diameter with 1 1/4 " rods?? But take the area of the cylinder, minus the area of the rod and then multiply your pressure, that is the max force of each bucket cylinder. When you are putting the loader down and then try to curl a huge load, the bucket will uncurl and force the fluid to the least load which is the rod end of the lift cylinders. Worst thing that can and does happen on some hydraulic systems when overloaded, the lift lever is pulled the load is raising and then the curl lever is used, the bucket uncurls and the lift raises faster not a nice surprise, fluid goes to the least resistance which sometimes is backwards. Manufactures need to advertise the lifting capacity near the their sold buckets cutting edge.
Looks like the control valve is missing it’s load check valve (or it doesn’t have one, but it should). The spool is opening the rod end of the cylinder to before the pump oil has overcome the pressure in the cylinder.
Nice test, my John Deere 790 has a pathetic lift capacity for its size to be blunt. Also I have a dead spot in the scv just like you demonstrated where you pull in to curl and it dumps your load on the ground.. shortly after buying the tractor I was loading fire wood into a person's trailer and I dumped the load of wood all over the ground behind the trailer I thought I had done something wrong turns out it was the dead spot in the valve. They want a fortune to rebuild or replace that valve so I have learned to snap the lever past the dead spot quickly but it truthfully drives me absolutely nuts...
Tim, you did a excellent job. Thanks Larry
Anyone know if there are cables to adjust for the loader valve? Seems to me that a few minutes of adjustment would fix at least all the slop in the controls.
Tim, for safety sake have a “bucket” built to 1 pack weight on a 3 point and 2 hook to a loader to preform your weight test.
Would you recommend New Holland in general?
I'm here in Hastings Michigan green Mart and it's crazy how all the people know you Tim
Gonna take home a 1025r?
No I took home a 1023e with 120 loader 260b backhoe 9 inch auger 48 inch snow blower 54 inch deck and 60 in hydraulic plow
Congratulations!!! You will love it!