Strongest Subcompact Tractor?!? New Holland WORKMASTER 25s / LS MT125

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  • @ilmo2313
    @ilmo2313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Wow!!! Two episodes with the cap. I'll have to get you another special cap next time we meet. Give Christy her cap back. LOL.
    Impressed with how much the NH can lift, too.
    On some of the early models of the 1025R, there was a problem of the "droopy bucket syndrome" that some of the members on GTT talked about, It was similar to the bucket dumping instead of curling up as you found on the NH. Mine never had the problem, though.

    • @robsmith7681
      @robsmith7681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My ls mt122 had the same issue. I just fixed it. My rod end balls for the joystick mechanism were all loose. Was a real problem, and I only found it cause I actually broke one of the rod ends just on Tuesday night. I fixed it Wednesday, and it’s a HUGE improvement. I was pretty surprised that it had been a issue since the day I bought the tractor. My dads yanmar also has the droopy bucket syndrome too. We’re checking his joystick out this weekend.

    • @brandonmacklenar1484
      @brandonmacklenar1484 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 1026R I had suffered horribly from “droopy bucket syndrome”. JD released a TSB with a fix. If I remember correctly, it was a check valve installed in the SCV to hold pressure in the cylinders until the curl hydraulics took over with enough pressure. The side effect: dump was much slower. I also had to search for a dealer willing to install the valve; my selling dealer wouldn’t do it unless I dropped the machine now for an appointment 3 weeks in the future, then they had to duplicate the problem. Unless they put a few hundred pounds of load in the bucket, it wouldn’t droop.

  • @ljedinger
    @ljedinger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I own one of these and love it. I have zero issues with the valve and the float feature works fine for me. Perfect size bucket etc. for what I need it for.

    • @jonkluver7912
      @jonkluver7912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm no farmer but I bleed green and very interested in getting one of these

  • @Aprons.Overalls
    @Aprons.Overalls 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    This is why independent testing means so much more than specs on a piece of paper. Great stuff, Tim!

  • @ShoeRyan
    @ShoeRyan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Yesterday I was thinking, 'man I wonder if Tim has a lift capacity video on that workmaster'. Not really in the market, but fun to watch!

  • @derekpiehl85
    @derekpiehl85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    If u need a different tractor to do weight tests with. U could come to northern Wisconsin and we could do a lift capacity with my yanmar sa424 tractor. It says 1200lbs. But I have lifted multiple huge logs at the same time. If u get a chance to run a yanmar let us know what u think

  • @bnewton5922
    @bnewton5922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Congratulations. Wasn’t that long ago you had to ask for help doing heavy lifting because of your health. I’m so glad to see you improved and doing things like this. Watch those cheeseburgers and keep up the great videos. Don’t forget to give Christy her hat back. Lol
    God bless.
    Bruce from Mason Michigan

  • @person86422
    @person86422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was watching you lift the weights and thinking "gosh those weights would be scary if they slipped out" then bang! They slipped out 😂 Thank your for this video! One of the most informative loader capacity videos I've ever seen

  • @ATR-42
    @ATR-42 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    20 seconds in... I knew this was gonna be good! the expression on Tims face when the weights went flying lol

  • @lisajohnson8566
    @lisajohnson8566 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tim, I realize this video is almost a year old and I haven't read all your comments but I know what was wrong with that loader valve. I have a LS MT-125 and these tractors are identical. In fact through my research LS makes it for New Holland. But on the valve. My tractor had the same issues with that valve and more. The fix was that the valve top, where the heim joints to the valves are come loose. The operator handle comes loose too and then you have all kinds of thing going on there at the top of that valve at the same time. I tightened EVERYTHING up at the top of the valve and it didn't work this good from the factory.
    I so appreciate you doing this lift test to see exactly what this machine can lift. I also found it interesting how you graphed the fact that is loses capacity as the bucket goes up. The "1000" pound lift capacity at the pins was a selling point for me and I've figured that the best this machine could do with the bucket was about 850 pounds. But what a surprise to see you snatch that heavy load off the ground. I have to write down those numbers so I have an idea but I personally wouldn't put more then 1000 pounds in that bucket as it's my machine and I don't want to abuse it. But that was the best test I've ever seen and I learned a lot. Thanks so much and I liked and subscribed.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words, and explanation on the valve.

  • @stanleyconrad4234
    @stanleyconrad4234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jumping in late Tim. I only read about half the comments, so I may be beating a “dead horse”. A couple years ago I purchased an LS repo configured as the NH. It had hard usage IMO with 270 hours. The loader valve was super sloppy and needed adjustment. Since it’s sorta useful around the place I’ve kept it, got it “right”. I’m still learning on loader usage, but seems to be adequate? I did immediately add ballast and I feel everyone should. It would not have been my first choice due to size and pin on bucket, but bought due to it being cheap! Having other tractors I’ve found each has quirks as it were. Now to my question, I have had a tiny Yanmar for 36 years, no hour meter! I do not worry about hours. A maintenance reference for me. I’ve always felt diesel fuel was cheaper than starters and flywheel gears. Lots of idling as I do stuff. Do you personally worry about the hours you put on your tractors? Thanks in advance. Stan here.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Stan.
      I am concerned about hours on my new machines. They ‘cost a lot’. Hours on an older machine are cheap, so less worrisome.
      I do not let my tractors idle. You may be right about wear on flywheel and starter. I just hate the noise. Especially when shooting video. So, I shut it off with nearly every stop.
      In other words, my priorities might be totally different than yours simply because of my usage and needs.
      I’ve never had any issue with the drivetrain on any of these machines, so I’m getting to where I treat them rougher over time. Gaining confidence that they will last forever:-)
      Your thoughts?

    • @stanleyconrad4234
      @stanleyconrad4234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TractorTimewithTim Well Tim you said it best. One size does not fit all / different strokes for different folks. I’m not videoing (camera waver) and noise doesn’t seem to be an issue for me. So I suspect I’ll continue my practice. I’m STILL waiting on my newest and may be more careful as the hours build on arrival. Probably not. One comment I failed to mention earlier is that with the MT 125 at idle the loader is practically useless. The RPMs must be up to use the loader. The RK25 is smooth/usable at idle! I’m up to my butt in tractors, I even have a couple of Hinomoto’s. At 76 I’ll let someone else worry about the hours at the auction I guess. Fun until it’s “over”. Thanks for the immediate reply. Stan

  • @GeorgeWeaver
    @GeorgeWeaver 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some weaknesses of the LS and New Holland subcompacts are the joystick has design flaws where the connecting pieces, (forget what they are called,) break and have to be replaced too often, (they are fairly easy to replace.) The ability to change the oil is a problem because the allen wrench style plug siezes and can't be removed. That style of plug is used because of proximaty to the front axle. (I'm considering going to a handpump suction tank through the dipstick.) With over 250 hours it has been a little workhorse and yes I do wish the bucket were larger and it had the quick attack skip-loading on the FEL. A 3RD function would also be nice to control the skip loader attachments like a grapler. Changing the Transmission fluid boosted the response, probably true on all tractors.

    • @croc106
      @croc106 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Replaced my connection to the dumping portion of the valve for the FEL 3 times in 6 months after I purchased it brand new in 2019. Such junk.

  • @dakillaklown715
    @dakillaklown715 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The valve had known issues of the stop nuts coming loose. I like the controls of my NH loader. Remove the cover to the battery and the panel behind the loader control stick. Break the zip tie and raise the protective boot and tighten the nuts and it will be much better.

    • @johndeilus7333
      @johndeilus7333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My LS MT125 had the same problem. My LS service guy wanted to replace the whole valve. I said no and fixed it my self.

  • @garyfaulds2008
    @garyfaulds2008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think that NH had a hard life , an at 400 hrs shouldn't have that must play in the valve body like that , interesting to see from a brand new one the difference?? . Next time my friend has his NH out im going to look into that .

    • @dumper87
      @dumper87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, looks like a rental that's been rode to hell and back. I have an LS MT122, same tractor, minus 3HP. The valve body on mine is tight, crisp, and responsive. The loader feels overpowered for the size and weight of the tractor, and the float position is very obvious.

    • @aramaic48
      @aramaic48 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I agree, that machine is beat to hell.

  • @MessicksEquip
    @MessicksEquip 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something is wrong with that valve, at least the float for certain.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea. Several commenters have mentioned similar issues that they were able to resolve...so might not be too big of a deal!
      Thought the lift capacity was good. Impressive.
      Thanks for commenting!

  • @pioneerAv
    @pioneerAv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love how you change the colors of the graphics to match the brands 😂

    • @johnathancrotzer5491
      @johnathancrotzer5491 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Particularly when he does head to heads you will fade to the other color

  • @MikeK84
    @MikeK84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I believe the new Kioti 20 series machines have the new "best in class" lift for a scut. Get your hands on one Tim. Would love to see this test repeated on one of those

  • @christophish
    @christophish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a Workmaster 25S. The float function works how you suggest. Your demo tractor's float must be broken, which might also explain some of your other problems with the valve. I don't have any of the weird things like you do (dumping when curling for example).

  • @crhend512
    @crhend512 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always, another excellent video. Nearby to me are a Deere dealer, a Case-IH (with Yanmar-Cub Cadet compact & sub-caompact) dealer and a New Holland (with Kubota for compact & sub-compact) dealer. I had not yet found your TH-cam channel when I was researching a sub-compact, so it took a while. I now recommend your channel to anyone considering a purchase.

  • @kipcudd7253
    @kipcudd7253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does the kioti compare to these?

  • @Obi1kenobi10
    @Obi1kenobi10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Ford (New Holland) I use @work is a beast. We tried to over load it last week with snow, salt, gravel and roofing materials. Just couldn't over load it. Heck, I used it today as a jack to change the tires on our Kubota. (Floor jack developed a bad leak. We only lifted the front)

  • @hardwareguy1
    @hardwareguy1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good review Tim. The other good think about testing with the bucket level is that more closely replicates what you could left when using pallet forks. You would usually want to keep the load level as you lift.

  • @jamesjohnson6639
    @jamesjohnson6639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great to see this comparison. I use a massey ferguson and I'm curious how it would compare but those Ls and new hollands have some good lifting specs. Looks like that sv needs a reseal or replacement though, the o-rings are allowing bleeding to the other port.

  • @BigRooster616
    @BigRooster616 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is the same tractor I bought new in 2020 .
    Love it .
    It's a work horse for its size for sure .
    I have buddy's with deer and Kubota and even a Mahindra.
    I have used all of them myself .
    I chose to buy the New Holland Work Master 25s.
    I think they all had things I liked about them .
    But this one checked more boxes then all the others .
    Good video

    • @EOTG_AK
      @EOTG_AK 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does yours exibit the issue where the bucket drops when trying to curl while lifting?

    • @garywaterman814
      @garywaterman814 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, Since you've owned and operated the NH 25s I figure you would be a good person to ask if you dont mind. Have you experienced the dip when it should curl issue Tim ran into? If so, are you living with the issue or was it fixable? Also, do you know how to set the float?

  • @rexbarrett1643
    @rexbarrett1643 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank goodness Mary wasn’t standing under the bucket when the weights fell! Nice test Tim.

  • @leonsumrall524
    @leonsumrall524 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve used this same machine for about 60 hours. Never once had the issue you are having with the valve for the loader. Definitely have that looked at

  • @tonydekubber3114
    @tonydekubber3114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, the loader valve on my 2019 MT 125 does not have any curl issues, and the float woks great by pushing the lever forward.

  • @deanbushnell6596
    @deanbushnell6596 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Has anyone or yourself thought about using a magnetic level on the side of the bucket for a close levelness? Good video

  • @andysmith5220
    @andysmith5220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the future you might look at getting a narrow water totem. Put in buck and strap down put fire hose in and do same test. Add or subtract water to get very accurate test of carry capacity. Then you can utilize water around property as well

  • @beyondfubar
    @beyondfubar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would be nicer to be able to test them all new, and that valve issue maybe would maybe not be an issue but it'd irritate the hell out of me. Still they often list very high limits on loader ability which it's good to see those aren't under some situation I'd never encounter. It makes me think maybe it's not all vape and mirrors!
    Also sold the 2038R last week! Pretty upset, but it found a fantastic home with some good people and I've set my sights on a much much larger LS. You guys got me started on tractors and now I can't stop! They're so much fun and I've been able to do so much with mine. If they're not a mythical creature I should have a MT573 by Christmas, which will be so much more fun in the cold then a open station 2038..

  • @Mike_Neukam
    @Mike_Neukam 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 2020 MT122. It came standard with the newer quick attach bucket, but not the quick attach mechanism. The quick attach bucket is a dual mount, and works as a pin on bucket, or with the quick attach adapter. The geometry does not change when using it with the quick attach adapter, so the only drawback to using it is the extra weight. I did not weigh the adapter before I installed it, but it is not very heavy, maybe 50 or 60 pounds. I don't notice the reduction in lift capacity. I don't know if there are any significant differences between the geometry of the new bucket vs the old one that would affect the lift capacity. The biggest drawback of the quick attach is that it is not SSQA. It looks similar and functions the same, but it is a proprietary mini version, so you can't use standard SSQA attachments. I'm glad that they designed a quick attach system that is relatively compact, lightweight and appropriately sized for the machine, but the lack of available attachments for it makes it almost useless. JDQA really takes the win for versatility in the subcompact market, due to the widespread aftermarket support. If other manufacturers adopted the design and it gained enough popularity to encourage implement manufacturers to support it, it would be a good system.

    • @Mike_Neukam
      @Mike_Neukam 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just watched a video showing the new 25s and it appears that it does have a standard SSQA now. I guess New Holland recognized the problem with the LS system and speced it with a full size SSQA for compatibility. There aren't many differences between the NH and LS, but this does appear to be one of them.

  • @chuckstimson9029
    @chuckstimson9029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    By always keeping the bucket level it gives a good apples to apples comparison. Love the comparisons that you do.

  • @williamriley2528
    @williamriley2528 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That lil blue tractor's been worked hard and put away wet. ( Somebody else has already tore it up...)

    • @ddddsd20
      @ddddsd20 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beat up like a rental, seems like a lot of money to spend on something just to destroy it.

  • @tb8338
    @tb8338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As you have a zillion comments you probably won't see this but I used to have a Ford/New Holland 1620d (1500 hours) and I now have a 2019 2032R. I find the loader hydraulics on the 2032R to be jumpy whereas on the 1620 they were very smooth. Also the float function worked very well on the 1620. That said I like the 2032R better but the 1620 had its merits. The main reason I switched was because I was tired of skinning my knuckles taking off the deck (which I hardly ever did), the muffler not sticking up, and the quick-tach loader. Other than that the old 1620 was a very good machine! The loader was very easy to remove on that machine as well.

  • @PurpleCollarLife
    @PurpleCollarLife 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great test, Tim. I was impressed with the lift capacity - but wouldn't be able to deal with the sloppy hydraulic control with the joystick. That would drive me crazy.

  • @garyeisele2810
    @garyeisele2810 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I sure appreciate your honest reviews on all the different types of attachments, equipment and tractors. I am needing to sell my 2007 John Deere 2305 that I truly love and have always maintained in tip top shape. Regardless of hours which JD only has about 600 hrs, I have always changed all the fluids (oil and hydraulic) including all the filters (fuel,air,oil and hydraulic filters) every year. I am needing more PTO power. I am glad I watched your video on the New Holland I have kick around the idea of looking at looking at them. I have used a friends Kabota that has about 3 more HP on the hydraulics then my 2305, but I can outperform his tractor by lifting not to mention the hydraulics on the Kabota just do not operate smooth like the Deere. I am sticking with the Deere I want the 2038R (30.4 Hydraulic HP) with the bucket and now Frontier has the reverse tine tiller and pallet forks but the $42.000 is a bit much so I will probably end up with the 2032R that has 24.2 PTO hp for about 10,000 less.

  • @fmixthings
    @fmixthings 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm glad you are doing tests with the W25S. It is the tractor I am most interest in. I was considering the JD with drive over deck, but I'm not 100% certain on that vs the pull out. Only problem is whatever I get will be my new mower and I will want to take the deck off often enough to consider it. Grapple use is my primary thoughts after mowing. Largest lift capacity is best. I was considering the 2032R but I'm just not sure.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We’ll show attach ability soon.

    • @chiefjoseph8154
      @chiefjoseph8154 ปีที่แล้ว

      The tractor is gutless. Trust me.

    • @fmixthings
      @fmixthings ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chiefjoseph8154 I actually ended up going with an LS MT225s. The guy at the dealer said he doesn't recommend mowing with a tractor around my area because we get so much rain the tractors are too heavy and leave ruts. So I spent the money on a bigger tractor instead.

  • @BiffsEquipment
    @BiffsEquipment 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video Tim, the loader valve is obviously worn out on that machine.. which is no excuse as it doesn’t have that many hours to be so sloppy and worn so they should have built it better

  • @usmc6153
    @usmc6153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a Mahindra Max 26 subcompact with an SSQA I could bring up. I bought it under the impression it had the best lift capacity. I am local to you in Indiana.

  • @realairplane261
    @realairplane261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the hoses mixed up for curling the bucket?

  • @timraber6575
    @timraber6575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m curious how the cats take to the different tractors. Do they like the green ones over the blue or orange? Which tractor are the cats sleeping on when you first open the door? That stat will not be in the manual. Which seats color do they like? ....... Good job on the demo. That tractor probably needs a new valve for the bucket control. With 400 hours, there is some wear in that valve body. In my view, the lack of the quick attach bucket is a game changer. It may pick up a little more weight, but the challenge factor in putting different attachments would out weigh that decision. (No pun intended) A new buyer without experience may not realize that right away with out watching your channel first.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The cats don’t seem to have preference! They sleep on all the seats!

  • @fabioforni5722
    @fabioforni5722 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do like the quick attach bucket on the Kubota compared to the bucket attachment on the deere.

  • @Nivek0326
    @Nivek0326 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I havent seen anything posted have you been able to test this with the new 25s with quick attach?

  • @chickenman298
    @chickenman298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd like to see a TYM tested. I know same thing as a Mahindra but I don't think you've tested either unless I missed something

  • @danne77sthlm
    @danne77sthlm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It still surprises me how all these small looking loaders can still handle such weight, its pretty impressive, and yes, I think your way of testing the lift capacity is the more honest one I have seen
    Everybody can compare very easily with that
    But, I also wonder if that valve are defective, I have never seen a valve behave like that on such a new tractor, only in very old ones where I know the seals and valves are not good

    • @garywaterman814
      @garywaterman814 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I dont own a tractor yet but probably will be purchasing soon as we are moving from subdivision to horse property. I only anticipate light use so sub compact will most likely be what I get. I just wanted to comment that coming from having no tractor I am not overly concerned with lift capacity. The way I see it is if it can load, lift and move a wheelbarrow full or more of material I would otherwise have to do manually, I'll take it. lol

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gary, please at least consider the 1025r. It is a much nicer machine than the NH 25s

  • @kevin_6217
    @kevin_6217 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tim, I love the whole Home Depot vibe you have going on there. It's an ACTUAL Depot, at Home.

  • @1fastedd1
    @1fastedd1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you tried iseki?

  • @pmdoit
    @pmdoit 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another clear and concise informational video. I love the videos that you two do. Who does the editing?

  • @jwright650
    @jwright650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job with the testing. Being objective and keeping the tests as similar as possible provides useful information.

  • @stump-bossBIll
    @stump-bossBIll 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great demonstration TTWT! Sorry about your concrete floor taking a beating!

  • @mrgoodwrench1103
    @mrgoodwrench1103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Just wondering how much more the 1025 bucket would weigh compared to the smaller New Holland ?

    • @earlyriser8998
      @earlyriser8998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think this is a good idea....how much does and orange and green bucket weigh compared to the blue...add that to the weights and then replot the curve with all of them on it.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The bucket weight is included in the lift capacity specs...so supposed to already be accounted for.

    • @mrgoodwrench1103
      @mrgoodwrench1103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TractorTimewithTim Thanks for the reply. :)

  • @AV8R_1
    @AV8R_1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whats up with that front wheel? Exploded bearings?

  • @robsmith7681
    @robsmith7681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    @Tractor Time with Tim I just fixed my sloppy loader joystick problem. The ball ends that actually attach the joystick to the loader valve itself are probably loose. I just fixed mine this week, as I actually broke a ball end at 96hours on Monday. Your joystick looks exactly the same way mine did before I fixed it.

    • @robsmith7681
      @robsmith7681 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      After watching the video, that’s the exact issue I was having before I broke the ball ends and fixed them. I have a video on my TH-cam showing how much tighter my joystick is now if you’d like to check it out. It’s like 19 seconds.

  • @FirePantsFabrication
    @FirePantsFabrication 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like the control valve is missing it’s load check valve (or it doesn’t have one, but it should). The spool is opening the rod end of the cylinder to before the pump oil has overcome the pressure in the cylinder.

  • @ReinQuest
    @ReinQuest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea why that dumped when you tried to curl?

  • @Katyhillfarmer
    @Katyhillfarmer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got to say i was surprised by these results, great job Tim you keep doing these lift capacity test your going to bulk up lol

  • @JohnBraman413
    @JohnBraman413 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    are these decent? found one used with little hours for good price.

  • @stephenreamer4323
    @stephenreamer4323 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have watched this video now at least three times. I did a little research on this tractor and prior to 2021 this model only came with pin on buckets, all current models are skid steer attach. The loader valve on this model(only) does not allow multidimensional valve movement. This model is really unique to the NH line. It differs from the Workmaster and Boomer Series tractors in many aspects. That particular bucket is a dirt bucket. I don't hear people talking about them that way any more but the smaller, narrower buckets were always meant for dirt moving. There were many reasons for that.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, it is identical to the LS MT125 ...but yes, they moved away from the pin on bucket. ...good move there!

  • @kimbaro1
    @kimbaro1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's nice automatic leveling function for fork attachment :)

  • @tsafa
    @tsafa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    great test!
    Have you done Kubota L series tests?
    You should create a playlist with these type of tests on different tractors if you have access to them for testing.

  • @terrybenson3632
    @terrybenson3632 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Tim & Christy. Another excellent video!!..

  • @theopautsch2311
    @theopautsch2311 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just an idea but would it be possible to do a separate test with the bucket curled where you feel you normally wood to get the figure to include as a reference point?

  • @hooligansoutside7470
    @hooligansoutside7470 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We've got a hard used 2017 MT125. I'd say that one has a valve issue. Full float is all the way forward and mine doesn't dump when lowering and curling. I really do wish it had the SSQA but it is what it is.

  • @nealtubbs9608
    @nealtubbs9608 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video guys. Thanks for showing the test.

  • @ionhavoc2
    @ionhavoc2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that's impressive considering it's weight out past the pins and not counting the weight of the bucket

  • @briannelson4493
    @briannelson4493 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim I had a Boomer 25 2012 year of make good little tractor my bucket rams started leaking I couldn’t get internal parts for repair. I had to buy new cylinders it was 5 months to get so I traded it in for a Kubota B2650 with a cab. I love this Kubota.

  • @andrewcrawley4429
    @andrewcrawley4429 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That curl function going down instead of up with a load in it is due to the lack of a load control type of valve. These type of valves are more expensive but they will correct that problem. Another name for the load control is called a counter balance valve. These will not let the oil coming from the cylinders go out until it’s input pressure is greater than it so as to over come the tendency to go the wrong way before the input pressure can hold the load.

  • @lloydcrowder1283
    @lloydcrowder1283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I realize the price dynamics are different in the USA than in Canada but a 1025 r is priced about $10000 more the any of the other sub compact tractors. I do think it is better than the others but is not in the price class. It really is priced with the B series Kubota which out classes the 1025r. It is like apples to oranges based on price. The doesn't mean the Deere is bad it means it sits between sub compact and compact.

  • @matthewroberts8742
    @matthewroberts8742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My Yanmar SA424 will do just about anything you ask it. I use it to log my small farm and run my firewood business.

  • @peterreed2685
    @peterreed2685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please make an effort to do the same test with SkisSteer quick attach. I would love to see the comparison. Even if you redo the test on a different tractor.

  • @highinthedirt
    @highinthedirt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    my brand new Kioti has that same problem with the dump while doing 2 functions... and I hate it.

  • @paulbrennan6613
    @paulbrennan6613 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s the weights difference of the buckets seeing the JD is bigger also grea compares

  • @thomaslowry5776
    @thomaslowry5776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kia Orana Tim,
    Wondering if you ever heard of an error message uer4 prog1 that comes on the hour meter on a x758

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry, no experience with x700 series

    • @thomaslowry5776
      @thomaslowry5776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim thanks thought it might be a universal code with John Deere

    • @thomaslowry5776
      @thomaslowry5776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim got this error and now the tractor won't work

  • @jamesstebbins8880
    @jamesstebbins8880 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see the pto horsepower tested. They are rated lower at the pto than most of the competitors. Interesting fact - this and the 1025 are the exact same weight. I have the LS and looked into the quick attach, however the LS quick attach for them is not a standard ssqa.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really? Won’t connect to ssqa? I did not know that!

    • @jamesstebbins8880
      @jamesstebbins8880 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim unique to the mt1 22 and 25.

  • @zayneborga9340
    @zayneborga9340 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Tim what kind of grease gun do you use

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      lube-shuttle.us/store. Excellent system!!!! Use code ttwt for a 5% discount.

  • @chrisduncan2626
    @chrisduncan2626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had to tighten the nut that held the control handle into the loader valve because it came loose. After that everything works like a dream. Its definitely a work horse and besides not having the drive over deck, ive not missed any Deere features yet. I especially liked the $3k difference in price if not more loll. Mines a 2020 model.

  • @jarrodp6068
    @jarrodp6068 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm confused about something Tim, you mentioned about it not having the SSQA then said it decreases lift capacity is the SSQA what linits the capacity or the pinned style?!?

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ssqa requires more steel, and moves the bucket forward, both of which limit lift capacity.

    • @jarrodp6068
      @jarrodp6068 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim awesome thanks so much for the response!!! I was thinking that's what you were meaning but wanted to verify!! I'm currently looking to buy a tractor and so I'm gathering as much info as I can get 👍👍 was looking at the subcompact Massey Ferguson GC1725mb but realized it wasn't big enough for my property due to the steep hills i needed something geared n a little bit bigger so currently looking at something like the 1735/1835 or 1840 by Massey ! I enjoy your videos keep it up!! 👍

  • @peterkober6758
    @peterkober6758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tim Christi great demonstration very fair
    God Bless All
    PaK

  • @Stepside906
    @Stepside906 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you going to do this to the new Kubota lx?

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Of course! ...but it may be awhile. Lots of stuff to do!

  • @Kcolby47
    @Kcolby47 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boy Tim, you get extra credit for lugging those weights around. No need to go the gym after that. Always interesting to see your observations and comments. That faulty curl is definitely a “no go”! Blessings!

  • @jonathankerner2094
    @jonathankerner2094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your "flat bucket" explanation for testing does make sense because if you are using forks and loading a flatbed then you will not be curled. Good work you two!

  • @craigsmith8217
    @craigsmith8217 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rating at the pin is a good comparison point because it compensate for different buckets or whatevers that might be used.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, but does the rating at the pin include the bucket weight?
      If you cannot answer that easily, then even more confusion is added.
      Both the Deere and Kubota 500 mm measurements include the bucket.....and I believe their ‘at the pin’ measurements include the bucket as well.

  • @arthurr.2075
    @arthurr.2075 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How big is your farm?

  • @NeilLB7
    @NeilLB7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do 1025R's have any lifting or handling issues with a 54" bucket fully loaded with stone or sand?

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tipsy when bucket all the way up.

    • @NeilLB7
      @NeilLB7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim Thanks. I have been researching SCT's for about a year now and am ready to buy one for our new house and 3 acres. AHW's current offer on 1025R with loader and 60" deck really makes it difficult to consider anything else. The the 1025R is clearly a class leader in almost all respects.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep!

  • @1944johndeerel
    @1944johndeerel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice test, my John Deere 790 has a pathetic lift capacity for its size to be blunt. Also I have a dead spot in the scv just like you demonstrated where you pull in to curl and it dumps your load on the ground.. shortly after buying the tractor I was loading fire wood into a person's trailer and I dumped the load of wood all over the ground behind the trailer I thought I had done something wrong turns out it was the dead spot in the valve. They want a fortune to rebuild or replace that valve so I have learned to snap the lever past the dead spot quickly but it truthfully drives me absolutely nuts...

  • @bengentry2982
    @bengentry2982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great (and fair)rundown on the NH bucket lifting ability. I believe you have a valve problem on that bucket as mine does not seem to have that issue. Switching gears are you aware of a good after market bucket that would fit that NH backhoe.? Mine came with a 9 and need a 12. Really enjoy your take on the different manufacturers!

    • @Mike_Neukam
      @Mike_Neukam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LS/NH makes a 12" bucket for that backhoe. My MT122 came with a 12". I believe they have a 16" bucket as well. Someone on the LS facebook group had a trencher bucket made by BXpanded for their MT125.

  • @LanceSheppard
    @LanceSheppard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe i saw a Branson tractor prototype that claimed it could lift 5x5 round bales and had a wider stance. That new holland is nice looking but seems like a very expensive tractor. Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't most sub compact tractor parts manufactured in south Korea?

  • @dcidci1012
    @dcidci1012 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been watching a lot of your videos, it is easy to see your preference is green period. I don't know which is best, one of my sons is now riding a new green bought last year because he liked the new green I put my dad on year before last & both have big smiles. I started out on a case IH & that ended badly JUNK ! tested several Oranges & just not comfortable, well 30 years & 4 blue later I am still smiling. I have sold 2 & still have 2 , the 94 model says FORD & the 96 model say Ford/New Holland. I like green & respect green, but with 52 years of operation between the 2 with no breakdowns ? Thank you Tim for your great videos.

  • @halbarringer6718
    @halbarringer6718 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like you got a "Deere" spinner on the steering wheel. Also, on the LS the ing. key is in the center of the rear shell (my neighbor has one) and every time you turn, your knee hits the key! Is that an issue with the NH?

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is identical to LS MT125.

    • @arlisspropertyservicesllc5943
      @arlisspropertyservicesllc5943 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LS/NH changed key location, they moved up and right, into the dash, out of the way now. I just drove a new LS.

  • @chadw3370
    @chadw3370 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Tim! Have you ever tested a Kioti? We have a CK4010 and we love it. Really good tractor. Love the videos!

  • @photocontrol
    @photocontrol 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive lift capacity with Holly! I wouldn't be fond of that issue with the valve wanting to dump when curling either.

  • @jamesjohnson6239
    @jamesjohnson6239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, bottom line : very good performance for a sub compact tractor.

  • @kylebishop3602
    @kylebishop3602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Usually what I find when the valve seems sloppy their's a loose bolt holding one or both of the functions together. The float position should operate like you said in the video push to lower then go a little further and it should lock in. But if something is loose it might not work properly, the other main cause iv seen in loader valves is a build up of water usually from condensation in the end cap of the valve but that usually takes one function away altogether.

  • @brim
    @brim 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many good points; however the quality control issues should or could have been caught by the dealer.

  • @nickosowski9305
    @nickosowski9305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good morning Tim. Great video, as always. I would love to see a lifting capacity test on the newer Yanmar 324/424. Have you ever thought about introducing Yanmar to your videos, or have any future plans on doing so ? Thanks for all the work you and Christy put into your videos.

  • @MarkWilliams-vp7xw
    @MarkWilliams-vp7xw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m not sure if it’s possible for you but could you test a kioti cs2220?

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have tried. So far, Kioti has not been willing to deliver.

    • @MarkWilliams-vp7xw
      @MarkWilliams-vp7xw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TractorTimewithTim dang it, if I was closer I’d let you use mine

  • @martinchampagne9245
    @martinchampagne9245 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the MT 125 and there are a few things that can be re engineered to make it better. As it stands I'll get another tractor when I get this one paid off. And yes that loader valve is a weakness for it.

    • @TractorTimewithTim
      @TractorTimewithTim  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate the honest feedback. Most folks are fanboys of their machines no matter what.

  • @mymorristribe
    @mymorristribe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fill the Holland bucket with water, then dump it into the Johnny bucket for a capacity difference test. Great video!

  • @GaryB33
    @GaryB33 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video tim and christy. Looks like the lift arms are shorter than the ones on the JD1025, can you do a measurement there too. That would increase the lift too. Either way the NH did lift a good about of weight. Rural King claims their tractor can lift a lot too. Too bad Mike Morgan doesn't have that one still. Have a Great Day, GOD BLESS

  • @axis7061
    @axis7061 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That thing is dangerous. When you dumped those weights, it was just a good example. I’m glad you caught that on camera. I’ll stick to my 1025r.

  • @jimmcknight3021
    @jimmcknight3021 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always good to see some kitty cat comic relief at the end of your videos! So I guess LS and New Holland are basically the same tractors? I wasn't aware if that was the case.

    • @MessicksEquip
      @MessicksEquip 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This one is, all the others have some differences

    • @arlisspropertyservicesllc5943
      @arlisspropertyservicesllc5943 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LS builds NH, just different stickers.

    • @MessicksEquip
      @MessicksEquip 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@arlisspropertyservicesllc5943 only true of the WM25s. The rest have many differences.

    • @arlisspropertyservicesllc5943
      @arlisspropertyservicesllc5943 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MessicksEquip ok. The LS dealer told me himself they built NH’s and put their stickers on...🙄🙄
      LS is cheaper for same machine by a 1K as well.