If Cheating was SUCH a dealbreaker for Cat regardless of how long ago it was, then THAT should have been the first question out of Cat's mouth in the pods.
Everyone saying Tom was just concerned that being a makeup artist indicates that someone is superficial and obsessed with looks, that was only part of it. He straight up said he wants to live a good life, his values are hard work and ambition, and he wants a partner who aligns with him on that. In his mind, being a makeup artist is not hard-working or ambitious. It’s clear that he wants to be a power couple, where both people have high-powered jobs and contribute equally financially, while Maria wants to be a traditional housewife. And there’s nothing wrong with either - they’re just completely incompatible. Also Tom saying jobs was the dealbreaker for most relationships - not even close to true. Most men don’t seem very concerned about their partner’s job, but the fact that he believes it’s the biggest dealbreaker, just shows how much importance HE places on it.
Exactly. I fully agree. They’re just incompatible. The sad about it is that they could have ended this at the pods because this incompatibility about family values & how they envision their household was exposed in the pods. Maria quickly changed her tune to say she wasn't saying she won't work at all but at least for the first couple of years of their children's lives she would want to be there. This was her trying to compromise on something big & important to her. Even if the first few years "break" would be their happy medium, this mismatch would still show up in other areas of the life together. Sure enough it did during the LIB experiment. They had a argument about who paid for their first ice cream date. Had they taked this mismatch seriously during the pod stages & tried other to connect with people it could have been avoided & perhaps they would have found other better matches. Yes I am aware of Tom & Tasha. However most people are so eager to hold on to a connection so that they don't get off the show. In addition to that, in their case they really seem to have a genuine connection that includes very real physical desire for each other. So they were both eager to be with each other despite the very big elephant in the room.
@@divangzsineli5659i don’t think Maria changed her tone. She still hasn’t said she wants to be a SAHM. As for Tom, all that hard work and highflying job and he cannot hold the fort down for the woman who has his children to take a break while doing so? Tom is a selfish person. Any man who expects the woman who has children (I’m childfree so this is not for me) to contribute equally is a selfish person and undermines the incredible labor that childbirth and rearing is. He showed absolutely no empathy or consideration in that conversation of that fact. I don’t think that they should get married.
@@pearlosibu Preach. A woman isn't just contributing equally. Her contribution far surpasses any amount of money that Tom brings in; it's priceless. Society is feeling it now there's a drop in the birth rate. There's no amount of money (or even robots) that can compensate for too few human beings. Society devalues pregnancy, childbirth, child rearing and for men it's generally off their radar; they tend to undervalue it because it isn't in financial terms. You can bet that Maria would take over much of the childrearing AND domestic work AND working outside of the home. While Tom gets to soar in his career because he's got a woman taking care of business at home.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 when me and my ex broke up he showed up one day to tell me "how hard was to live by himself" which obviously he never noticed while I was there to do everything. When we were together he had the balls of telling me I was selfish for traveling to see my family (??) and the first thing he did was hiring a maid, so what I assume was selfish of me was not being there to clean his shit right?! that's how it ended, I realized I felt so much peace when I was away.
In Freddie's case, I don't think he can be hated because of that. She asked him that question and he answered instantly, he didn't even make an excuse, he said yes and was remorseful. It was something that happened 7 years ago and that he believes is something that doesn't represent the person he is today. I get why he cried and I think it was justified, the person who you fell in love with is being distant with you for hours and hours because of something that you don't want to be associated with (I also get Cat because I would need to think over that topic too). Having watched what we have watched of Freddie, he seems honest and hasn't done anything in this process that could be seen as a red flag, the only one is this one which was done 7 years ago, we don't even know what wrongdoings everyone else has done in their past. I'll only judge them from what I see and till this point, I feel like Freddie is a good person. I love your reactions even when our opinions don't align. Hope nothing but the best for you!!!
I was so happy that Jasmine put pressure on Ollie. He wanted a free pass for his bad behavior. Tom comes off as classist, going by his comment about judging people bassed on their job. It's sad because it's a very big deal and a big hurdle to get over.
Personally, I disliked the way Jasmine was pressing Ollie. She asked the same question 2 times, 3 times... enough. She said instead of having a talk with Bobby, Ollie should have talked to Demi first, but here she is having a conversation/argument with someone about a relationship she is not a part of. You can express your concern about a friend to a certain degree without getting involved this much. Especially since she isn't even aware of how Ollie/Demi's relationship is exactly. I don't like that Ollie reacted in a childish manner, but I understand the frustration tho.
Nobody likes to be badgered. Ollie and Jasmine don’t even have a friendship. I would’ve reacted the same way if someone I barely knew came to Badger me about my relationship. Bobby was already talking to Ollie and Jasmine should’ve left it at that.
Sorry I disagree if he liked her he’s simple answer yes, he got frustrated cause he knows there’s something he’s lying about and she’s exposing that insecurity he has that others can see
i think jasmine was overstepping a little bit tbh. it was not her place to tell ollie that he needed to be more affectionate towards demi. as demi's friend, she can encourage her to be open with ollie and communicate to him that she needs more. but she shouldn't be taking matters into her own hands and telling that to ollie in demi's place. of course he would get defensive, if demi's not telling him something is wrong, if demi's not communicating that he's lacking in that sense, it would be very uncomfortable and make him feel blindsided and attacked by someone he barely knows telling him how he should react in his own relationship
Completely agree! As far as we saw, jas and Ollie have almost no relationship and had very little interactions. It’s like a stranger coming and trying to pry into your relationship. I think Ollie should’ve been able to control his irritation a bit rather than just shutting down but it was not jasmines place to bud in at alllll
I have ADHD, if you come at me in a conversation the way Jasmine did your going to get the same reaction because I can’t process what someone is saying when it is being delivered that way. I don’t hear words I hear tone and would feel bombarded by the way she was coming at me. So at that point Me & my sensitivity will peak, I will be in a state of overwhelm. Brain shuts down, And the meltdown is real.
Yeah, I think we may have both missed him saying he has ADHD, and Jasmine did come in HARD. I think we were already frustrated with Ollie coming in and didnt give him enough grace
@@membriashI think regardless of whether he has ADHD, he gave so many signs of not wanting to proceed with the convo before the supposed 'trantrum'. He verbally told Jasmine he didn't want the convo, he put his sunglasses on, his body language shifted. I feel as a mental health nurse she should have known when to stop. But also, I agree with OP that as an ADHDer that reaction is very typical & it stung to hear the 'acting like a preschooler part', especially when he's tried in other ways to make it known he doesn't want this conversation. Jasmine was also not being a good friend in my opinion. I think she's overstepped and is being paternalistic over Demi. Her telling Ollie that Demi is insecure was NOT a good friend move.
@@membriashits so easy to miss this things. I watch all this on my own & still rewatch a couple times. I just brought it up because I had a moron barking at me earlier in the day & I had the same reaction Ollie did so my “ justice sensitivity “ kicked in. Being berated like Jasmine did Ollie I find makes it more incredibly difficult to meet People’s expectations. It makes me feel like Im always falling short, no matter how hard I try. ADHD folks are often highly sensitive to criticism. Even constructive criticism can feel like a personal attack.
@@zozoafrica4908Thank You for the work you do as a Mental Health Nurse; it is an unstaffed & intense job. You are appreciated, valued & seen. It is heroic work. What an incredibly brave & unselfish job to dedicate yourself too. 🙇🏻♀️❤️
@@zozoafrica4908 you have to also keep in mind alcohol in being consumed in large amounts in already high intense emotional situation, Jasmine is human and isnt going to be body analyzing someone whilst intoxicated. she cant pause and observe like we can, and also this is highly edited too. just something to keep in mind!
If you rewatch the scene with Catherine and Freddie she was spit firing questions at him. She had asked 4 questions prior to getting to the cheating question and all the former ones were Nos. The moment she struck “gold” and got a Yes she had got what she wanted. Something to finally make perfect Freddie not so perfect. I think Catherine has a low esteem with her rship with Freddie and is projecting that insecurity by continuously nitpicking at things about him.. If he had answered yes to the crazy gfs questions she’d have gone with that and she wouldn’t have gone on to the cheating question anyway. My point is, it could have been anything.
Catherine has admitted to being cheated on multiple times in her past relationships so of course she has low self esteem and feels insecure, especially when the man she's interested in admits to also have cheated in the past. That's obviously going to be a major trigger for her and she has every right to feel the way she feels about that.
@@onyx081 i feel like if thats the case she shouldve asked that question in the pods. if you know its a trigger for you, that shouldve been asked in the pods along with having kids convo. it makes no sense to hold Freddie accountable for as long as she did. and not just that but use that as an excuse to be mean towards him. having triggers is valid, holding them against people is not.
I just hate how people brush it off how he came up with the "dirty talks" on the pod and then judged Katherine for engaging in it, since then I just despise him
I am finding myself wishing to see Emma and Matt more in the episodes because we are not seeing too many love-upped couples yet here... Wow, at Tom judging Maria for being a Makeup artist, wth has Tom never heard of @LisaEldridge because his comment was wrong. Wonder if Lisa saw this and weighed in anywhere on it.
I have the unpopular opinion now I see online with the Ollie situation. I think people are cutting him ALOT of slack when the signs are wrong. There is something off with Ollie and Demi and we spotted it before the group settings. More so from Ollie towards Demi. The questions Jasmine was asking Ollie were just general questions all the other couples ask each other and the only reason Ollie feels it as “pressure” is cause he knows Jasmine is pulling the curtain on the BS he’s been tryna sell us. I’m not saying he doesn’t care about Demi as a person, he may even love her in a way. However is Ollie into Demi physically and is he sexually drawn to her, no. He’s not, and his fault is in not communicating and being honest about those feelings or in this case the lack thereof. His words are saying we’re good but his body is deceiving him and exposing him. As of this episode I just can’t hop on the Ollie train though Jasmine shouldn’t have asked 4/5/6 times she’s intense for sure but if he loved her and wanted to be with her physically the words would just flow out of his mouth. Won’t even count all the walking away and being rude to her when she was checking on him. It’s a lot.
Yeah, now that Ollie has seen Catherine and Charlotte, he's lost sexual interest in Demi completely. I don't know if he loves her as much as the support and understanding she gives him. The ADHD came out of nowhere and I think that Ollie is weaponising it.
@@dalubuhlengwenya7188 LIB Sweden Lukas said he wasn't attracted to Amelia and she still stood there wasting her time. We saw how Ollie licked his lips when he saw Cat, just saying.
“I am your best friend I am the BEST friend you’ll ever have” with that dead pan stare. No lady, you are her mother, the mother to an adult daughter, please unclip the leash.
I watched all episodes out so far and S&S are the only ones ready for marriage. Do participants get more money off Netflix if they go through the emotions & put on a wedding dress & stand at the altar just to go NO! Cuz if not why do the wedding & invite family, seems silly & cruel.
In my dating life, it took me a long time to understand that if my partner didn’t extend the same respect they show for me to my friends, then they didn’t actually respect me. It may not be obvious early on, but watching your partner interact with your friends is crucial to understanding how they feel about YOU. Sure maybe jasmine overstepped, but Ollie’s reaction told me a lot. There were many avenues he could’ve taken, and he chose “big reaction”. It’s very “I wouldn’t sit and hear my partner out if they had a problem with me”. Which we then almost immediately see with Ollie and Demi’s following conversation. I understand the counterpoints I’m seeing in the comments, but I just don’t agree.
My make up artist friend is the person that works the most out of all my friends (except doctors), she works Friday/Saturday till midnight doing make ups, Sunday from very early morning, always working on holidays, I feel like people have no ideia how much a make up artist works, specially the time they usually work is awful for their own personal lives, seeing her is really hard, but it's INSANE to think it's not ambitious to literally work on your own pleasing people all day everyday and having to handle so much bs.
@@SharronDope and the amount of people that thinks she should do her work for free because they are "friends"? it's absurd, people are so out of touch, and dealing with brides and bridesmaids? jesus! I'd rather bathe in hot oil 😂
Yeah, but is she making money tho, she doesn't seem like a good MUA based on her lipstick choice at the reveal. They are not compatible and should just call it quits. I hope Tash doesn't take him back either cause he is a mean stingy man
I love how you mentioned the difference in the dynamic Demi & Ollie versus Nicole & Ben as the coupled who had not done it yet. There has been no scene since they met were it felt like there was strong chemistry & palpable desire of each other. None of the little things are there like the gazing in each other eyes, the fingers interlocking, finding any excuse to touch the other person. As a couple they never gave a vibe of wanting each but struggling because they want to wait & take it slow. They looked like they had no issue keeping their hands off each other. The stolen look Ollie gave & licking his lip for Catherine when she first arrived with Fred proves that he has it but he just does not have it for Demi unfortunately.
Nah, Jasmine over stepped the mark and bobby didn't check her. Some men need space, Jasmine was nagging him to the point where he stormed off. And other man would've told her to mind her own business and not in a polite way. Saying that Ollie isn't showing her the sexual attraction that Demi is looking for and that's why she's down as she has too much masculine enegry in the relationship.
I personally think Catherine is digging for things to make Freddie not be the one. I get cheating/someone having cheated before being a dealbreaker, but if it is that big of a deal to her, why didn’t she ask about this in the pods? Just kinda feels like at this point (and in future episodes) she is working overtime to prove that it’s Freddie not her that is the problem.
I agree with the whole Ollie and Demi situation, it definitely seems like they aren't as close as the other couples. However, I have to take Ollie's side on this regarding his conversation with Jasmine. I respect that Jasmine is concerned for her friend, however, it IS NOT her place to get involved with their relationship. Demi is a fully grown woman who is capable of making her own decisions. If she's not happy, she can end things. For Jasmine to intervene like she did, especially since Demi said that she never said anything to Jasmine about their relationship, just tells me Jasmine needs to stop getting involved and creating drama. I totally agree that Ollie shouldn't have stormed off, especially without Demi. He should've handled that WAY better. But as someone who is also not affectionate in public, but very affectionate in private, I could also see why Ollie was very annoyed after this conversation. Again I get it, it does seem like they aren't really thriving like the other couples, but appearances aren't everything. This guy is the ONLY guy that everyone seems to be on the case with since his conversation with Catherine. A conversation that SHE initiated. Yeah sure, he's been acting weird since then, but so has everyone else. This is also something he pointed out as being the reason he was feeling weird which could explain his behavior. They are putting way too much pressure on the guy and it's no surprise that after too much pressure the guy has had enough. Jasmine should've voiced her opinion with her friend and left it at that. She's getting WAY too involved in other peoples relationships when she should only be focusing on her own; It's not her place and she's out of line.
I appreciate the authenticity at the end, lol. Also, I am enjoying the tags at the very end of the videos. 😂 Steven and Sabrina will definitely get married, everyone else, I'm not so sure....
I feel like Freddie didn’t cry to manipulate her, I honestly think he was so upset about how she treated him the rest of the day and feeling insecure in the relationship because of it. It’s a big 180 from the previous day. Yes it may come across as manipulative but I believe his hurt and his fears. Also, I have done what he has, cheated once, more than 8 years ago and I just would never do it again. It was horrible and I hated how I made my ex feel. I am not proud of myself and it still bothers me to this day. I would never cheat again and I think Freddie most likely feels the same.
That was a rant! Tom doesn’t know sh*t about the beauty industry and made a very ignorant statement here. However, I truly believe there is something deeper going on with Tom and Maria, and this may have to do with cultural differences (maybe age gap too) regarding money and roles of men and women in a couple. We have already seen them having different views when Maria talked about wanting to be a stay at home mum. I am not optimistic for their couple because when it comes to marriage, it is a core value and they don’t seem to align, unfortunately. Regarding the Jasmine/Ollie talk, I think Jasmine has good intentions, but why doesn’t she talk to Demi before ? And why does everybody in this cast feels so entitled to get involved in the Demi/Ollie situation. I give credit to Ollie, when he talked to Catherine he said she was pretty, but it is consistent with what he said in the pod : he felt a sexual tension with Catherine without seeing her, and he chose to go with Demi because he was looking for something else. And what he said after seing Catherine was still the same.
Freddie was crying because Cat just froze him out and was distant to him without giving him any chance to build that trust. There was nothing he could do
I'm in the minority here (judging by a skim of the comments), but I think Jasmine was being a good friend by trying to offer advice on what Demi needs from Ollie. Sometimes, it takes an external person to the relationship who sees things more clearly to help people along. I mean, Ollie did it himself the night before when he checked in with Bobby and asked if he was feeling the tension in the group. After that, I think it's reasonable to assume Ollie appreciates getting an outsider's perspective. Not to mention, Bobby is Jasmine's partner, so it might feel like, as a couple, they're already being pulled in to give Ollie advice. Jasmine did start by asking Ollie for consent before giving advice. And he said yes. Her tone was soft and even gentle. From my perspective, Jasmine went in with kids gloves and Ollie responded by talking over her, putting on sunglasses and immediately trying to end the conversation. He basically said "yeah, I already know all this" (about how he should have talked to Demi after talking to Cat). And I think it's important here to remember that Demi was ALREADY talking to Ollie, but Ollie chose to interrupt her to go off with Bobby! I mean! If my friend's bf acted like this, I'd immediately think this man isn't serious, and he's playing with my friend's heart. Whether on purpose or not he's not even capable of putting up with the slightest push back. Even the most coddling tone of voice is too harsh for him. How is he ready for a serious relationship, then? I know there are mitigating factors to the situation and Ollie's reaction. I won't bring them up due to spoilers. But in that moment, with the information Jasmine has, I can even understand why she'd double down when it felt like Ollie was trying to end the conversation. Ideally, however, Jasmine should have respected when Ollie said he was getting overwhelmed and backed off then and there. In an idea world, it would have been understood as Ollie taking back consent and things would have ended there.
Not gonna lie I don't agree with the statement about Freddie crying, and is part of why men feel so self conscious about crying around their woman. Freddie literally could have said "no" to cheating, he straight up said yes and didn't give an excuse. To be able to cry in front of her takes a lot of strength, and it's so hard for a man to be able to do that. Men feel so self conscious about crying because they're worried they are gonna be judged in one way or another. Often times its because they won't be seen as masculine. In my case, there have been so many times I've wanted to cry in front of my partner and haven't, because I was concerned it would manipulate her and change her mind just because she doesn't like me upset. It would come out naturally anyway even when I tried to stop it. Sometimes crying in front of your partner is exactly what they need to see to know that your heart is in it, and can change your partner's approach in the conversation entirely. Not because their feelings are manipulated, but because they may have previously thought you were not genuine, and crying gives them the evidence to see that you are genuine. We don't need more reasons for men to feel like they shouldn't cry. Women will always say that Men should be comfortable crying around them, but the reality is there is still so much pressure that makes them feel uncomfortable doing so, mainly because there's still a lot of negative reactions to them crying when it actually happens.
I hear that and it was a reach. I think we heard a rumor that made us look at him a bit side eyey but in what were watching especially he hasnt really done anything wrong up to this point
@@membriash thank you for understanding and not getting defensive from my statement. Reading back on my comment I apologise if it came across as targeting you for the statement you made. You did seem fairly understanding in the video and did acknowledge his intentions could still be genuine so it wasn't meant to come across that way. I just thought it was an important topic to highlight and I appreciate you listening :)
@@TheReconJacob dont worry! Even a bit of finger pointing is fine, we do it all the time. I appreciate you bringing a fresh perspective, it helps us check ourselves for the next video
Idk why people think ben couple will get married. I feel ben is right there at the moment but I don't think nicole is genuine. And I feel their romance is kinda forced and awkward. I see them talking about sam most of the time than themselves. They don't make it. Nicole is not there yet
Idk how this is gonna end but Ollie better not say no at the altar. He should call it off before they get there. If Ollie says no, he's gonna be the most hated man on the Internet.😅
I knew Tom & Maria had different family / household values but knowing he has this attitude where he looks down and categorises people based on their job titles stinks. He was dead serious about it too. How do you think someone is shallow because that are a MUA?
I'm a software engineer, mostly in financial organizations nowadays. Was a waitress and other service jobs when I was young. Tom's just wrong, I'm sure his industry is full of clueless morons just like any industry I've worked at. And people who are great at their jobs but still morons. You can be an ambitious and hard-working makeup artist, or any other profession, what does that have to do with anything.
Okay I have 2 points to make, on the Ollie and Demi situation, that I haven't seen reflected a lot in the comments so far. It's the meltdown thing and the sexual chemistry thing, and how culture and race, I think, have a bigger role than what people are expecting. *1.* In a later episode (spoiler, but not really) Ollie and Demi talks about him having ADHD and how he's _very_ private about it. I have been diagnosed with both autism and ADHD, and the way he reacted to Jasmine is exactly how I would have reacted if it was me. She keeps saying the same things, and he feels like he has answered her - whether or not _you_ feel he has - but she keeps pushing him. Maybe she's stepping on others' toes, maybe she's being a protective friend, but anyone neurodivergent (has senory issues, easily gets overstimulated, can get overwhelmed in crowds) would have _such a hard time_ in that situation. When she starts repeating herself, I'm not hearing har words, I'm only hearing her tone and every singe word would grate more on my nerves + being in the sunshine for several hours would feel too visually loud + hearing conversations all around you, that constant low chatter + Demi wanting to lay down on me, that sweaty skin to skin while I'm already feeling too much? *No. Absolutely not.* I would have reacted worse than Ollie, and then hearing people commenting that he's 'acting like a chilld having a tempertantrum'? That kind of makes my inner child cry, because both Ollie and me are grown adults who feels like this at times, and yet we are sort of belittled for it. *2.* I absolutely see and think that Ollie and Demi have sexual chemistry. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe when the show is over and they do, or don't, walk down the isle and can finally talk about everything in public, they will talk about this aspect of their relationship, but after this honeymoon episode, after they meet their friends and family and stuff, to me it seems like their realtionship blossoms and they get the space to be themselves more. *but what about the culture and race stuff?* Well, I don't live in the UK so I don't really have a lot of personal experiences to back this up, but most of the media stuff I consume are from the UK, both reality tv, sitcoms, panel shows, comedy, podcasts, news, and others, so a whole lot really. Both Ollie and Demi have a mixed/black working class london background, not rich posh london (try Made In Chelsea lol) or country suburb london (try The Only Way Is Essex lol). Maybe I'm projecting and going into dangerous territory here (sorry if I'm completely out of line and wrong) but from what I've picked up over the years is that, in that culture, your wife/husband is your _partner_ and your relationship is _private._ White working class londoners are much more open and lose with their drama spilling everywhere, this includes just talking about sex, doing pda, break ups, pregnancy and babies, and definitely any mental health stuff, and black working class londoners keeps that stuff in the home/family, because it is nobody else's business. Demi and Ollie *share* this background and upbringing. That's why I feel like this is an indication that Ollie *is* serious about Demi, and that their realtionship works on that level as well, because he _doesn't_ talk about these things when talking about her, why they _don't_ do pda in those group settings - and also why I get the feeling that he *does not* see Catherine in that way; because he mentions the flirting and stuff. Again, in my limited observations, when you have this background and you mention these kinds of things, it means you're not fully respecting them and what you have with them = _a fling_ , not something permanent or serious. Anyway, excited to see more of your reactions, and hopefully someone will read this and see my points lol
I really appreciate the lengthy response and some perspective. Sorry for hurting your inner child, we can see now how those comments were triggering for quite a few people
@@membriash hi, thanks so much both for reading and responding, but also for acknoleging the specefics 😊 it's okay, and I'm quite used to it, but it can also suck, so that's why I mentioned it 🤷🏻♀️ but I'm looking forward to watch the rest of your reactions when they come out! Also, have you thought of reacting to the swedish version of the show? I haven't watched it myself, but I'm from Denmark so I could probably help with some cultural translations there lol ✌🏻
Hi, just want to help with your cultural analysis of Demi and Ollie in the UK. Yes, brits of colour are less about PDA but people like Jasmine would be included in the same category as Ollie and Demi. That is why she gets so involved because she and Demi are the only two with a similar background, which is why they seem overly close to other people. She also has the expectations of Ollie that come from those backgrounds. Ollie is meant to prioritise protecting Demi, maybe not be as affectionate- but definitely protective. As soon as he pulled Bobby for a chat, instead of Demi- he came across as suspect and not wanting her.
13:15 I think Freddie is tearing up because Cat has turned cold(er) on him for telling the truth about something he did seven years ago and he cannot change the past. He can likely feel her moving away from the relationship and if they can't talk it out and move past it - then she should walk away or he should. And, yes, Ashley, I too wonder why this cheating question didn't come up in the pods. I'd also like to know Cat's relationship with her birth parents - if any. Also, who gets cheated on in every relationship?
Ollie was so right walking away. Its not her business to question the relationship between he and Demi. He doesnt know her so what right does she have to come at him like that? He doesnt owe her anything. Demi was fine with him so what was her problem?
Jasmine definitely overstepped IMO. I understand she was trying to protect her Demi. But a true friend protects her friend AND her friends interest. She should've told Ollie what she observed, not interrogate him. Instead her method could've stirred discord
I think Catherine definitely should've asked that in the pods if it's such a big deal for her...I think she's lowkey trying to find something wrong with Freddie/a reason why it can't work, because even in that conversation she just wasn't letting him speak! I get such weird vibes from her and I can't shift it lol
Okay so I have to give an opinion that may not be liked. I don’t think that what Tom was that crazy. Women talk like this ALL the time about men and their job titles when it comes to picking partners. When men come and say they are plumbers and electricians women don’t choose those people as partners most of the times. When people say they’re doctors or engineers even outside of romantic rships people applaud them. And when people say they’re makeup artists, or nail techs in women cases it’s like oh okay. I mean it’s the world we live in and to think that people don’t give you props for your profession before they even know who you’re as a person then we’d be lying. Anyway Ashley shouldn’t be so mad cause I think she misunderstood Tom the same way Maria misunderstood Tom. She thought he was looking down on her in a class and intelligence/success way and he actually meant it in a character way that makeup artists would be obsessed with their appearance and like he said shallow. They both go into more details in their confessionals and I was frustrated watching cause in their face to face fight they didn’t go into depth of what he meant and I wish they did cause they both misunderstood each other. When people hear you’re a lawyer they immediately make jokes about you being an argumentative person. When you say you’re a teacher people immediately assume that you are great with kids and kind. Many jobs unfortunately/fortunately come with preconceived stereotypes that society has set up. I saw nothing wrong with Tom saying he judged Maria’s job(not saying it’s a good thing but she asked a question and he was honest) but to my point, Maria misunderstood what he exactly he was judging.
Jasmine went to far with Ollie. For one thing, they should've discussed that in private. It's a difficult and private subject. And she kept pushing and pushing when it wasn't her place. It's not her relationship and not her place. She told her he was into her, she called him a liar, and kept asking him questions and not believing his answers. So why are you asking? What's the goal here, apart from winding him up?
I didn't think what Jasmine did was wrong. In my view Ollie totally over reacted. And it became something it didn't have to be. If the questions made him uncomfortable, which they really shouldn't. He could have told her that in a calm way. With Demi he can get away with the beating around the bush and placate her. Not with Jasmine. I think he got upset because he fully knows he's not feeling it. And for some reason he cant say that. Which is pretty shitty. He's going to end up breaking Demi's heart.
I always felt Tom chose Maria for sexual reasons which felt antithetical to the lib concept. The career conversation really dissapointed me and not help him beat my allegatuons
This episode just made me mad. My God😡🤬 Honestly, I think Jasmine was pressing too much and inserting herself a bit too strongly in their relationship. I do see why she did it, but sometimes you need to take a step back and let your friends deal with their own things. I do agree that Olly isn't feeling Demi though, and I feel he's just wasting her time and sucking all her energy in something that is not going to progress. Now, the whole makeup artist conversation made me raged! So judgemental. Every profession is worth of respect and he was an asshole. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Like can you guys imagine how he must treat service workers? Throw the whole man away, my God
I feel like after being pretty honest and pretty upset over cheating on someone. Which we know no context of at all. Just that he cheated. Still bad of course. I think it’s unfair to put the “once a cheater always a cheater” narrative onto every cheater. Some people truly don’t learn. But there are people who want to change. It has to be hard when someone you love won’t speak to you or bother talk to you for a couple days. But she also may have trauma towards cheating. So having reservations is ok. But not communicating or talking about it is a really frustrating too.
@@onyx081 I said “it’s still bad” I wasn’t trying to justify it. I’m sorry it came off that way. I just think she has to give him a chance. And if she believes what she believes. She shouldn’t be staying with him. I think it’s bizarre to string someone along. I was just trying to explain I think not all cheaters. Stay cheaters.
16:26 Maria is like: "No." Ashley is like: "No." Me: No. What is going on with Tom? ... it might be a poverty mindset. In terms of never wanting to be poor... otherwise it's kind of strange, but viewers judged Benaiah for being a freelance house sitter.
Jasmine has known Demi for 2 weeks that ain’t her friend. She was being nosey and that wasn’t her place. I’m glad Freddie finally gave Catherine a reason to leave because I need him free of her 😂 Still like Ollie but great reaction otherwise
You can definitely want the best for someone, see them as a friend and stick up for them after 2 weeks in my opinion. Especially in a scenario as crazy as this in my opinion.
Completely disagree and find your comments about Ollie highly disrespectful and judgemental ‼️ 😢 Temper tantrum? Jasmine was badgering him even when he asked her to stop. Watch the other cast doing podcasts Jasmine was doing TOO much and it made ppls uncomfortable‼️😬😡
Cheating is a major ick and red flag to me. I don't care how long ago it was. Catherine has a right to feel the way she feels about it, especially since she's been a victim of it multiple times in her past relationships. I get tired of people framing cheating as some unavoidable mistake. Cheating is a calculated, conscious and deliberate act of betrayal that destroys the self worth of those who have been a victim of it. Not to mention that he more than likely cheated more than once over an extended period of time, because it's never just one time. People keep saying that Catherine has low self esteem and is insecure (which she is) but that is the aftermath of being cheated on. I'm sure Freddie's ex is walking around with the same self esteem issues and insecurities as a result of his cheating as well.
I feel like people are coming hot for the ladies for very stupid small stuff and giving sooo much slack to the guys literally saying "yeah, I think make up artist are lazy self absorbed people" like??????? I mis 2018
@@carolitoffanaIt's insane. I don't even like Cat, but the black and white view of her and Freddie is galling. The misogyny is getting worse and worse. Women are often the main offenders; it's nuts. Women's standards are meant to be in the pits of hell apparently. The only exception is Sam who is a walking, talking red flag.
@@regularity2556 WTF are you bringing her into this? Talk about deflection. If she HAD been then Freddie would've mentioned it as an excuse. Lord, the audacity!
Imo, I don't think he's judging her for being a make up artist.. i think he was probably more concerned that she uses make up to make herself attractive vs degrading her nob/education/profession. I just read it differently
I think they both read it differently to be fair. In their one on ones they interpreted the issue differently to each other. Maria was seeing it as a status thing and Tom was seeing it as a character and values thing. Still judgemental in a sense but I wish they’d gone into each other’s point of views deeper before it getting out of hand you know
@@rejectionisprotection4448 idk exactly how to read his reaction cuz I'm not really a fan (or a hater) of him. He's kind of forgettable to me. I am, however, make up obsessed hahah so I'll never side with him if that's what he meant! Haha What I took from it though seemed more like he thought she might have been someone who hides behind her makeup because of her job but in reality she actually wears WAY less make up than I do in my daily life
As someone who’s on the spectrum, I find it incredibly triggering when someone calls another person a “child” and having a “tantrum” when he’s actually having a breakdown. Hes on the spectrum. He’s a good guy. He’s overwhelmed. I can fit myself in his shoes and I would have HATED jasmines interrogation- she showed zero respect for Ollie’s space. I know your opinion of him will change but regardless, please stop labeling people as children for having a meltdown. Please thanks
Yeah. that wasn't a tantrum. Jasmine was nagging him and sticking her nose where it doesn't belong. Instead of cussing her out he walked away. Give men space to process their emotions, they are not like us women.
If Cheating was SUCH a dealbreaker for Cat regardless of how long ago it was, then THAT should have been the first question out of Cat's mouth in the pods.
This!!
Everyone saying Tom was just concerned that being a makeup artist indicates that someone is superficial and obsessed with looks, that was only part of it. He straight up said he wants to live a good life, his values are hard work and ambition, and he wants a partner who aligns with him on that. In his mind, being a makeup artist is not hard-working or ambitious. It’s clear that he wants to be a power couple, where both people have high-powered jobs and contribute equally financially, while Maria wants to be a traditional housewife. And there’s nothing wrong with either - they’re just completely incompatible. Also Tom saying jobs was the dealbreaker for most relationships - not even close to true. Most men don’t seem very concerned about their partner’s job, but the fact that he believes it’s the biggest dealbreaker, just shows how much importance HE places on it.
Exactly. I fully agree. They’re just incompatible. The sad about it is that they could have ended this at the pods because this incompatibility about family values & how they envision their household was exposed in the pods. Maria quickly changed her tune to say she wasn't saying she won't work at all but at least for the first couple of years of their children's lives she would want to be there. This was her trying to compromise on something big & important to her. Even if the first few years "break" would be their happy medium, this mismatch would still show up in other areas of the life together. Sure enough it did during the LIB experiment. They had a argument about who paid for their first ice cream date. Had they taked this mismatch seriously during the pod stages & tried other to connect with people it could have been avoided & perhaps they would have found other better matches. Yes I am aware of Tom & Tasha. However most people are so eager to hold on to a connection so that they don't get off the show. In addition to that, in their case they really seem to have a genuine connection that includes very real physical desire for each other. So they were both eager to be with each other despite the very big elephant in the room.
@@divangzsineli5659i don’t think Maria changed her tone. She still hasn’t said she wants to be a SAHM. As for Tom, all that hard work and highflying job and he cannot hold the fort down for the woman who has his children to take a break while doing so? Tom is a selfish person. Any man who expects the woman who has children (I’m childfree so this is not for me) to contribute equally is a selfish person and undermines the incredible labor that childbirth and rearing is. He showed absolutely no empathy or consideration in that conversation of that fact. I don’t think that they should get married.
@@pearlosibu Preach. A woman isn't just contributing equally. Her contribution far surpasses any amount of money that Tom brings in; it's priceless. Society is feeling it now there's a drop in the birth rate. There's no amount of money (or even robots) that can compensate for too few human beings. Society devalues pregnancy, childbirth, child rearing and for men it's generally off their radar; they tend to undervalue it because it isn't in financial terms.
You can bet that Maria would take over much of the childrearing AND domestic work AND working outside of the home. While Tom gets to soar in his career because he's got a woman taking care of business at home.
"just concerned that someone is superficial and obsessed with looks" but also he would straight up leave if the woman he chose was ugly 😂 Delusional
@@rejectionisprotection4448 when me and my ex broke up he showed up one day to tell me "how hard was to live by himself" which obviously he never noticed while I was there to do everything. When we were together he had the balls of telling me I was selfish for traveling to see my family (??) and the first thing he did was hiring a maid, so what I assume was selfish of me was not being there to clean his shit right?! that's how it ended, I realized I felt so much peace when I was away.
In Freddie's case, I don't think he can be hated because of that. She asked him that question and he answered instantly, he didn't even make an excuse, he said yes and was remorseful. It was something that happened 7 years ago and that he believes is something that doesn't represent the person he is today. I get why he cried and I think it was justified, the person who you fell in love with is being distant with you for hours and hours because of something that you don't want to be associated with (I also get Cat because I would need to think over that topic too). Having watched what we have watched of Freddie, he seems honest and hasn't done anything in this process that could be seen as a red flag, the only one is this one which was done 7 years ago, we don't even know what wrongdoings everyone else has done in their past. I'll only judge them from what I see and till this point, I feel like Freddie is a good person.
I love your reactions even when our opinions don't align. Hope nothing but the best for you!!!
I think the same. Even i think is a pre lude to cat+ollie
Ollie is the great example of "if he wants to, he will" and he wont for Demi
Im here for jasmine asking ollie to be real. He was defensive because hes guilty and selfish. Totally agree with u guys
I was so happy that Jasmine put pressure on Ollie. He wanted a free pass for his bad behavior.
Tom comes off as classist, going by his comment about judging people bassed on their job. It's sad because it's a very big deal and a big hurdle to get over.
Tom's still upset Maria covered him in Clown Lips and she's a MUA 😂
Personally, I disliked the way Jasmine was pressing Ollie. She asked the same question 2 times, 3 times... enough. She said instead of having a talk with Bobby, Ollie should have talked to Demi first, but here she is having a conversation/argument with someone about a relationship she is not a part of. You can express your concern about a friend to a certain degree without getting involved this much. Especially since she isn't even aware of how Ollie/Demi's relationship is exactly. I don't like that Ollie reacted in a childish manner, but I understand the frustration tho.
Ollie was defensive because he had ALREADY ANSWERED Jasmine's question and she kept repeating it. I was like "enough already"
yes but his reaction was a little bit too much
I definitely see that. I dont think he should have gotten so frustrated but I almost certainly would have reacted poorly myself
@@membriashjasmine had no right to insert herself in their relationship. Ollie owes Jasmine nothing.
Nobody likes to be badgered. Ollie and Jasmine don’t even have a friendship. I would’ve reacted the same way if someone I barely knew came to Badger me about my relationship. Bobby was already talking to Ollie and Jasmine should’ve left it at that.
Sorry I disagree if he liked her he’s simple answer yes, he got frustrated cause he knows there’s something he’s lying about and she’s exposing that insecurity he has that others can see
i think jasmine was overstepping a little bit tbh. it was not her place to tell ollie that he needed to be more affectionate towards demi. as demi's friend, she can encourage her to be open with ollie and communicate to him that she needs more. but she shouldn't be taking matters into her own hands and telling that to ollie in demi's place. of course he would get defensive, if demi's not telling him something is wrong, if demi's not communicating that he's lacking in that sense, it would be very uncomfortable and make him feel blindsided and attacked by someone he barely knows telling him how he should react in his own relationship
Completely agree! As far as we saw, jas and Ollie have almost no relationship and had very little interactions. It’s like a stranger coming and trying to pry into your relationship. I think Ollie should’ve been able to control his irritation a bit rather than just shutting down but it was not jasmines place to bud in at alllll
I have ADHD, if you come at me in a conversation the way Jasmine did your going to get the same reaction because I can’t process what someone is saying when it is being delivered that way. I don’t hear words I hear tone and would feel bombarded by the way she was coming at me. So at that point Me & my sensitivity will peak, I will be in a state of overwhelm. Brain shuts down, And the meltdown is real.
Yeah, I think we may have both missed him saying he has ADHD, and Jasmine did come in HARD. I think we were already frustrated with Ollie coming in and didnt give him enough grace
@@membriashI think regardless of whether he has ADHD, he gave so many signs of not wanting to proceed with the convo before the supposed 'trantrum'. He verbally told Jasmine he didn't want the convo, he put his sunglasses on, his body language shifted. I feel as a mental health nurse she should have known when to stop. But also, I agree with OP that as an ADHDer that reaction is very typical & it stung to hear the 'acting like a preschooler part', especially when he's tried in other ways to make it known he doesn't want this conversation.
Jasmine was also not being a good friend in my opinion. I think she's overstepped and is being paternalistic over Demi. Her telling Ollie that Demi is insecure was NOT a good friend move.
@@membriashits so easy to miss this things. I watch all this on my own & still rewatch a couple times. I just brought it up because I had a moron barking at me earlier in the day & I had the same reaction Ollie did so my “ justice sensitivity “ kicked in.
Being berated like Jasmine did Ollie I find makes it more incredibly difficult to meet People’s expectations. It makes me feel like Im always falling short, no matter how hard I try.
ADHD folks are often highly sensitive to criticism. Even constructive criticism can feel like a personal attack.
@@zozoafrica4908Thank You for the work you do as a Mental Health Nurse; it is an unstaffed & intense job. You are appreciated, valued & seen. It is heroic work. What an incredibly brave & unselfish job to dedicate yourself too. 🙇🏻♀️❤️
@@zozoafrica4908 you have to also keep in mind alcohol in being consumed in large amounts in already high intense emotional situation, Jasmine is human and isnt going to be body analyzing someone whilst intoxicated. she cant pause and observe like we can, and also this is highly edited too. just something to keep in mind!
If you rewatch the scene with Catherine and Freddie she was spit firing questions at him. She had asked 4 questions prior to getting to the cheating question and all the former ones were Nos. The moment she struck “gold” and got a Yes she had got what she wanted. Something to finally make perfect Freddie not so perfect. I think Catherine has a low esteem with her rship with Freddie and is projecting that insecurity by continuously nitpicking at things about him.. If he had answered yes to the crazy gfs questions she’d have gone with that and she wouldn’t have gone on to the cheating question anyway. My point is, it could have been anything.
Agreed.
yes. it is her insecure attachment style that has her second guessing and pushing Freddie away AND flirting to create space
Catherine has admitted to being cheated on multiple times in her past relationships so of course she has low self esteem and feels insecure, especially when the man she's interested in admits to also have cheated in the past. That's obviously going to be a major trigger for her and she has every right to feel the way she feels about that.
@@onyx081 that is true but two things can be true at once.
@@onyx081 i feel like if thats the case she shouldve asked that question in the pods. if you know its a trigger for you, that shouldve been asked in the pods along with having kids convo. it makes no sense to hold Freddie accountable for as long as she did. and not just that but use that as an excuse to be mean towards him. having triggers is valid, holding them against people is not.
nobody talk about the fact that Demi is not the only one that isn't herself Ollie was also way more happy and outgoing when he was in the pods
I just hate how people brush it off how he came up with the "dirty talks" on the pod and then judged Katherine for engaging in it, since then I just despise him
I am finding myself wishing to see Emma and Matt more in the episodes because we are not seeing too many love-upped couples yet here... Wow, at Tom judging Maria for being a Makeup artist, wth has Tom never heard of @LisaEldridge because his comment was wrong. Wonder if Lisa saw this and weighed in anywhere on it.
I have the unpopular opinion now I see online with the Ollie situation. I think people are cutting him ALOT of slack when the signs are wrong. There is something off with Ollie and Demi and we spotted it before the group settings. More so from Ollie towards Demi. The questions Jasmine was asking Ollie were just general questions all the other couples ask each other and the only reason Ollie feels it as “pressure” is cause he knows Jasmine is pulling the curtain on the BS he’s been tryna sell us. I’m not saying he doesn’t care about Demi as a person, he may even love her in a way. However is Ollie into Demi physically and is he sexually drawn to her, no. He’s not, and his fault is in not communicating and being honest about those feelings or in this case the lack thereof. His words are saying we’re good but his body is deceiving him and exposing him. As of this episode I just can’t hop on the Ollie train though Jasmine shouldn’t have asked 4/5/6 times she’s intense for sure but if he loved her and wanted to be with her physically the words would just flow out of his mouth. Won’t even count all the walking away and being rude to her when she was checking on him. It’s a lot.
Yeah, now that Ollie has seen Catherine and Charlotte, he's lost sexual interest in Demi completely. I don't know if he loves her as much as the support and understanding she gives him.
The ADHD came out of nowhere and I think that Ollie is weaponising it.
@@dalubuhlengwenya7188 LIB Sweden Lukas said he wasn't attracted to Amelia and she still stood there wasting her time. We saw how Ollie licked his lips when he saw Cat, just saying.
I knew you were going to be so angry when Tom said that to Maria !! Girllllll I was as well and really can’t stand his judgy self!!! 🌻💛
Nobody understands ollie,not even Ollie...
Jasmin 's jealousy is a red flag in addition to her overbearing mother
The mom was way too intense! Kinda creepy to me
“I am your best friend I am the BEST friend you’ll ever have” with that dead pan stare. No lady, you are her mother, the mother to an adult daughter, please unclip the leash.
I watched all episodes out so far and S&S are the only ones ready for marriage.
Do participants get more money off Netflix if they go through the emotions & put on a wedding dress & stand at the altar just to go NO! Cuz if not why do the wedding & invite family, seems silly & cruel.
Just found your channel and loving it! Not going to lie, patiently anticipating your next Love is Blind Mexico episode 😂🤣😅
they are the best!!! welcome :)
the chaos is real for LIB Mexico .....mind blown
In my dating life, it took me a long time to understand that if my partner didn’t extend the same respect they show for me to my friends, then they didn’t actually respect me. It may not be obvious early on, but watching your partner interact with your friends is crucial to understanding how they feel about YOU. Sure maybe jasmine overstepped, but Ollie’s reaction told me a lot. There were many avenues he could’ve taken, and he chose “big reaction”. It’s very “I wouldn’t sit and hear my partner out if they had a problem with me”. Which we then almost immediately see with Ollie and Demi’s following conversation. I understand the counterpoints I’m seeing in the comments, but I just don’t agree.
My make up artist friend is the person that works the most out of all my friends (except doctors), she works Friday/Saturday till midnight doing make ups, Sunday from very early morning, always working on holidays, I feel like people have no ideia how much a make up artist works, specially the time they usually work is awful for their own personal lives, seeing her is really hard, but it's INSANE to think it's not ambitious to literally work on your own pleasing people all day everyday and having to handle so much bs.
I imagine that the demands, egos, issues and chaos they deal with ieven if its not Celebs is major. Props to your Friend & Maria
@@SharronDope and the amount of people that thinks she should do her work for free because they are "friends"? it's absurd, people are so out of touch, and dealing with brides and bridesmaids? jesus! I'd rather bathe in hot oil 😂
Yeah, but is she making money tho, she doesn't seem like a good MUA based on her lipstick choice at the reveal. They are not compatible and should just call it quits. I hope Tash doesn't take him back either cause he is a mean stingy man
I love how you mentioned the difference in the dynamic Demi & Ollie versus Nicole & Ben as the coupled who had not done it yet. There has been no scene since they met were it felt like there was strong chemistry & palpable desire of each other. None of the little things are there like the gazing in each other eyes, the fingers interlocking, finding any excuse to touch the other person. As a couple they never gave a vibe of wanting each but struggling because they want to wait & take it slow. They looked like they had no issue keeping their hands off each other. The stolen look Ollie gave & licking his lip for Catherine when she first arrived with Fred proves that he has it but he just does not have it for Demi unfortunately.
Nah, Jasmine over stepped the mark and bobby didn't check her. Some men need space, Jasmine was nagging him to the point where he stormed off. And other man would've told her to mind her own business and not in a polite way. Saying that Ollie isn't showing her the sexual attraction that Demi is looking for and that's why she's down as she has too much masculine enegry in the relationship.
I personally think Catherine is digging for things to make Freddie not be the one. I get cheating/someone having cheated before being a dealbreaker, but if it is that big of a deal to her, why didn’t she ask about this in the pods? Just kinda feels like at this point (and in future episodes) she is working overtime to prove that it’s Freddie not her that is the problem.
I saw that comment elsewhere and didnt clock it when I watched but thats probably right. She needs an excuse to be aggrieved maybe
Cat didnt care until she became insecure.
I love that purple color for you. The richness really makes your skin glow
I agree with the whole Ollie and Demi situation, it definitely seems like they aren't as close as the other couples. However, I have to take Ollie's side on this regarding his conversation with Jasmine. I respect that Jasmine is concerned for her friend, however, it IS NOT her place to get involved with their relationship. Demi is a fully grown woman who is capable of making her own decisions. If she's not happy, she can end things.
For Jasmine to intervene like she did, especially since Demi said that she never said anything to Jasmine about their relationship, just tells me Jasmine needs to stop getting involved and creating drama.
I totally agree that Ollie shouldn't have stormed off, especially without Demi. He should've handled that WAY better. But as someone who is also not affectionate in public, but very affectionate in private, I could also see why Ollie was very annoyed after this conversation.
Again I get it, it does seem like they aren't really thriving like the other couples, but appearances aren't everything. This guy is the ONLY guy that everyone seems to be on the case with since his conversation with Catherine. A conversation that SHE initiated.
Yeah sure, he's been acting weird since then, but so has everyone else. This is also something he pointed out as being the reason he was feeling weird which could explain his behavior. They are putting way too much pressure on the guy and it's no surprise that after too much pressure the guy has had enough.
Jasmine should've voiced her opinion with her friend and left it at that. She's getting WAY too involved in other peoples relationships when she should only be focusing on her own; It's not her place and she's out of line.
I appreciate the authenticity at the end, lol. Also, I am enjoying the tags at the very end of the videos. 😂 Steven and Sabrina will definitely get married, everyone else, I'm not so sure....
I feel like Freddie didn’t cry to manipulate her, I honestly think he was so upset about how she treated him the rest of the day and feeling insecure in the relationship because of it. It’s a big 180 from the previous day.
Yes it may come across as manipulative but I believe his hurt and his fears. Also, I have done what he has, cheated once, more than 8 years ago and I just would never do it again. It was horrible and I hated how I made my ex feel. I am not proud of myself and it still bothers me to this day.
I would never cheat again and I think Freddie most likely feels the same.
That was a rant!
Tom doesn’t know sh*t about the beauty industry and made a very ignorant statement here.
However, I truly believe there is something deeper going on with Tom and Maria, and this may have to do with cultural differences (maybe age gap too) regarding money and roles of men and women in a couple.
We have already seen them having different views when Maria talked about wanting to be a stay at home mum. I am not optimistic for their couple because when it comes to marriage, it is a core value and they don’t seem to align, unfortunately.
Regarding the Jasmine/Ollie talk, I think Jasmine has good intentions, but why doesn’t she talk to Demi before ? And why does everybody in this cast feels so entitled to get involved in the Demi/Ollie situation. I give credit to Ollie, when he talked to Catherine he said she was pretty, but it is consistent with what he said in the pod : he felt a sexual tension with Catherine without seeing her, and he chose to go with Demi because he was looking for something else. And what he said after seing Catherine was still the same.
“ I’ll screEAaaAM” 🤣
Freddie was crying because Cat just froze him out and was distant to him without giving him any chance to build that trust. There was nothing he could do
Love yall recaps 🥰 i was snorting by the end of the video 😂
Ollie gives me major red flags. No bueno. Don't love Tom either.
I'm in the minority here (judging by a skim of the comments), but I think Jasmine was being a good friend by trying to offer advice on what Demi needs from Ollie. Sometimes, it takes an external person to the relationship who sees things more clearly to help people along. I mean, Ollie did it himself the night before when he checked in with Bobby and asked if he was feeling the tension in the group. After that, I think it's reasonable to assume Ollie appreciates getting an outsider's perspective. Not to mention, Bobby is Jasmine's partner, so it might feel like, as a couple, they're already being pulled in to give Ollie advice.
Jasmine did start by asking Ollie for consent before giving advice. And he said yes.
Her tone was soft and even gentle. From my perspective, Jasmine went in with kids gloves and Ollie responded by talking over her, putting on sunglasses and immediately trying to end the conversation. He basically said "yeah, I already know all this" (about how he should have talked to Demi after talking to Cat). And I think it's important here to remember that Demi was ALREADY talking to Ollie, but Ollie chose to interrupt her to go off with Bobby!
I mean! If my friend's bf acted like this, I'd immediately think this man isn't serious, and he's playing with my friend's heart. Whether on purpose or not he's not even capable of putting up with the slightest push back. Even the most coddling tone of voice is too harsh for him. How is he ready for a serious relationship, then?
I know there are mitigating factors to the situation and Ollie's reaction. I won't bring them up due to spoilers. But in that moment, with the information Jasmine has, I can even understand why she'd double down when it felt like Ollie was trying to end the conversation. Ideally, however, Jasmine should have respected when Ollie said he was getting overwhelmed and backed off then and there. In an idea world, it would have been understood as Ollie taking back consent and things would have ended there.
Agree, specially because SHE DID talked to Demi first, and Demi is very insecure, so she noticed she wouldn't do anything herself.
Not gonna lie I don't agree with the statement about Freddie crying, and is part of why men feel so self conscious about crying around their woman.
Freddie literally could have said "no" to cheating, he straight up said yes and didn't give an excuse. To be able to cry in front of her takes a lot of strength, and it's so hard for a man to be able to do that.
Men feel so self conscious about crying because they're worried they are gonna be judged in one way or another. Often times its because they won't be seen as masculine. In my case, there have been so many times I've wanted to cry in front of my partner and haven't, because I was concerned it would manipulate her and change her mind just because she doesn't like me upset. It would come out naturally anyway even when I tried to stop it. Sometimes crying in front of your partner is exactly what they need to see to know that your heart is in it, and can change your partner's approach in the conversation entirely. Not because their feelings are manipulated, but because they may have previously thought you were not genuine, and crying gives them the evidence to see that you are genuine.
We don't need more reasons for men to feel like they shouldn't cry. Women will always say that Men should be comfortable crying around them, but the reality is there is still so much pressure that makes them feel uncomfortable doing so, mainly because there's still a lot of negative reactions to them crying when it actually happens.
I hear that and it was a reach. I think we heard a rumor that made us look at him a bit side eyey but in what were watching especially he hasnt really done anything wrong up to this point
@@membriash thank you for understanding and not getting defensive from my statement. Reading back on my comment I apologise if it came across as targeting you for the statement you made. You did seem fairly understanding in the video and did acknowledge his intentions could still be genuine so it wasn't meant to come across that way. I just thought it was an important topic to highlight and I appreciate you listening :)
@@TheReconJacob dont worry! Even a bit of finger pointing is fine, we do it all the time. I appreciate you bringing a fresh perspective, it helps us check ourselves for the next video
All the men in my family do not fear emotions or tears it's just part of being human.
Feel like people are going in on Tom a lot man. Feels like he really tried to overcome his judginess.
I think Steven and Sabrina will make it ❤. Nicole and Ben too!❤️
Idk why people think ben couple will get married. I feel ben is right there at the moment but I don't think nicole is genuine. And I feel their romance is kinda forced and awkward. I see them talking about sam most of the time than themselves. They don't make it. Nicole is not there yet
Idk how this is gonna end but Ollie better not say no at the altar. He should call it off before they get there. If Ollie says no, he's gonna be the most hated man on the Internet.😅
I was so surprised about Tom too! You guys are making me come around against Ollie lol I think I was cutting him too much slack
Haha the acting out of the rifling through and looking for the right flag 😂. I love the jokes
I have a different opinion; but obviously only because I’ve watched up to eps 8.
I knew Tom & Maria had different family / household values but knowing he has this attitude where he looks down and categorises people based on their job titles stinks. He was dead serious about it too. How do you think someone is shallow because that are a MUA?
That was just crazy. I see MUA's as painters and illustrators. They just use a sentient canvas. I mean they are called ARTISTS.
I'm a software engineer, mostly in financial organizations nowadays. Was a waitress and other service jobs when I was young. Tom's just wrong, I'm sure his industry is full of clueless morons just like any industry I've worked at. And people who are great at their jobs but still morons.
You can be an ambitious and hard-working makeup artist, or any other profession, what does that have to do with anything.
Tom is as shady as hell to me.
Okay I have 2 points to make, on the Ollie and Demi situation, that I haven't seen reflected a lot in the comments so far. It's the meltdown thing and the sexual chemistry thing, and how culture and race, I think, have a bigger role than what people are expecting.
*1.* In a later episode (spoiler, but not really) Ollie and Demi talks about him having ADHD and how he's _very_ private about it. I have been diagnosed with both autism and ADHD, and the way he reacted to Jasmine is exactly how I would have reacted if it was me. She keeps saying the same things, and he feels like he has answered her - whether or not _you_ feel he has - but she keeps pushing him. Maybe she's stepping on others' toes, maybe she's being a protective friend, but anyone neurodivergent (has senory issues, easily gets overstimulated, can get overwhelmed in crowds) would have _such a hard time_ in that situation. When she starts repeating herself, I'm not hearing har words, I'm only hearing her tone and every singe word would grate more on my nerves + being in the sunshine for several hours would feel too visually loud + hearing conversations all around you, that constant low chatter + Demi wanting to lay down on me, that sweaty skin to skin while I'm already feeling too much? *No. Absolutely not.* I would have reacted worse than Ollie, and then hearing people commenting that he's 'acting like a chilld having a tempertantrum'? That kind of makes my inner child cry, because both Ollie and me are grown adults who feels like this at times, and yet we are sort of belittled for it.
*2.* I absolutely see and think that Ollie and Demi have sexual chemistry. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe when the show is over and they do, or don't, walk down the isle and can finally talk about everything in public, they will talk about this aspect of their relationship, but after this honeymoon episode, after they meet their friends and family and stuff, to me it seems like their realtionship blossoms and they get the space to be themselves more.
*but what about the culture and race stuff?* Well, I don't live in the UK so I don't really have a lot of personal experiences to back this up, but most of the media stuff I consume are from the UK, both reality tv, sitcoms, panel shows, comedy, podcasts, news, and others, so a whole lot really. Both Ollie and Demi have a mixed/black working class london background, not rich posh london (try Made In Chelsea lol) or country suburb london (try The Only Way Is Essex lol). Maybe I'm projecting and going into dangerous territory here (sorry if I'm completely out of line and wrong) but from what I've picked up over the years is that, in that culture, your wife/husband is your _partner_ and your relationship is _private._ White working class londoners are much more open and lose with their drama spilling everywhere, this includes just talking about sex, doing pda, break ups, pregnancy and babies, and definitely any mental health stuff, and black working class londoners keeps that stuff in the home/family, because it is nobody else's business. Demi and Ollie *share* this background and upbringing. That's why I feel like this is an indication that Ollie *is* serious about Demi, and that their realtionship works on that level as well, because he _doesn't_ talk about these things when talking about her, why they _don't_ do pda in those group settings - and also why I get the feeling that he *does not* see Catherine in that way; because he mentions the flirting and stuff. Again, in my limited observations, when you have this background and you mention these kinds of things, it means you're not fully respecting them and what you have with them = _a fling_ , not something permanent or serious.
Anyway, excited to see more of your reactions, and hopefully someone will read this and see my points lol
I really appreciate the lengthy response and some perspective. Sorry for hurting your inner child, we can see now how those comments were triggering for quite a few people
@@membriash hi, thanks so much both for reading and responding, but also for acknoleging the specefics 😊 it's okay, and I'm quite used to it, but it can also suck, so that's why I mentioned it 🤷🏻♀️ but I'm looking forward to watch the rest of your reactions when they come out!
Also, have you thought of reacting to the swedish version of the show? I haven't watched it myself, but I'm from Denmark so I could probably help with some cultural translations there lol ✌🏻
Hi, just want to help with your cultural analysis of Demi and Ollie in the UK. Yes, brits of colour are less about PDA but people like Jasmine would be included in the same category as Ollie and Demi. That is why she gets so involved because she and Demi are the only two with a similar background, which is why they seem overly close to other people. She also has the expectations of Ollie that come from those backgrounds. Ollie is meant to prioritise protecting Demi, maybe not be as affectionate- but definitely protective. As soon as he pulled Bobby for a chat, instead of Demi- he came across as suspect and not wanting her.
@@evertt7326 This is great, thanks so much for the explaination!
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I think Freddie is tearing up because Cat has turned cold(er) on him for telling the truth about something he did seven years ago and he cannot change the past.
He can likely feel her moving away from the relationship and if they can't talk it out and move past it - then she should walk away or he should.
And, yes, Ashley, I too wonder why this cheating question didn't come up in the pods.
I'd also like to know Cat's relationship with her birth parents - if any.
Also, who gets cheated on in every relationship?
Ollie was so right walking away. Its not her business to question the relationship between he and Demi. He doesnt know her so what right does she have to come at him like that? He doesnt owe her anything. Demi was fine with him so what was her problem?
Whew!
Y'all uploading is helping pull me out of the radiation accident TH-cam rabbit hole that I'm morbidly fascinated by 🤓
I disagree that Nicole and Ben should be intimate so quickly especially since she doubled back. Build a strong foundation first.
Jasmine definitely overstepped IMO. I understand she was trying to protect her Demi. But a true friend protects her friend AND her friends interest. She should've told Ollie what she observed, not interrogate him. Instead her method could've stirred discord
Today me ans Ashley are definitely not aligned with pur read on people. 😂
I think Catherine definitely should've asked that in the pods if it's such a big deal for her...I think she's lowkey trying to find something wrong with Freddie/a reason why it can't work, because even in that conversation she just wasn't letting him speak! I get such weird vibes from her and I can't shift it lol
Okay so I have to give an opinion that may not be liked. I don’t think that what Tom was that crazy. Women talk like this ALL the time about men and their job titles when it comes to picking partners. When men come and say they are plumbers and electricians women don’t choose those people as partners most of the times. When people say they’re doctors or engineers even outside of romantic rships people applaud them. And when people say they’re makeup artists, or nail techs in women cases it’s like oh okay. I mean it’s the world we live in and to think that people don’t give you props for your profession before they even know who you’re as a person then we’d be lying. Anyway Ashley shouldn’t be so mad cause I think she misunderstood Tom the same way Maria misunderstood Tom. She thought he was looking down on her in a class and intelligence/success way and he actually meant it in a character way that makeup artists would be obsessed with their appearance and like he said shallow. They both go into more details in their confessionals and I was frustrated watching cause in their face to face fight they didn’t go into depth of what he meant and I wish they did cause they both misunderstood each other. When people hear you’re a lawyer they immediately make jokes about you being an argumentative person. When you say you’re a teacher people immediately assume that you are great with kids and kind. Many jobs unfortunately/fortunately come with preconceived stereotypes that society has set up. I saw nothing wrong with Tom saying he judged Maria’s job(not saying it’s a good thing but she asked a question and he was honest) but to my point, Maria misunderstood what he exactly he was judging.
I agree 100% I think Tom’s response may have triggered Maria’s underlying insecurities about it, which is fair.
Jasmine went to far with Ollie. For one thing, they should've discussed that in private. It's a difficult and private subject. And she kept pushing and pushing when it wasn't her place. It's not her relationship and not her place. She told her he was into her, she called him a liar, and kept asking him questions and not believing his answers. So why are you asking? What's the goal here, apart from winding him up?
She learnt that crap from her mum. The mum is a narcissist and she passing on her controlling behaviour onto her daughter. Bobby needs to check her.
@@jennyj0007 it's not Bobby's job to control her behavior either.
@@noelleirina5628 it is if she over stepping her boundaries. If i over step my husband checks me.
I didn't think what Jasmine did was wrong. In my view Ollie totally over reacted. And it became something it didn't have to be. If the questions made him uncomfortable, which they really shouldn't. He could have told her that in a calm way. With Demi he can get away with the beating around the bush and placate her. Not with Jasmine. I think he got upset because he fully knows he's not feeling it. And for some reason he cant say that. Which is pretty shitty. He's going to end up breaking Demi's heart.
I agree with the sentiment of jasmine’s questions but the tone was too aggressive imo. Especially because this is his first time meeting her.
@@bre2013 It wasn't the first time they met. And for me, I did not find her tone aggressive. But I understand we dont all have to feel the same.
Bro threw a tantrum over a question 😂
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It is a "going concern"...
Leaving a separate comment to note I never knew a bad Tom until now either 😂😂 giving Toms a bad name!!!
When we were editing I remembered that Sandoval exists
I always felt Tom chose Maria for sexual reasons which felt antithetical to the lib concept. The career conversation really dissapointed me and not help him beat my allegatuons
I was just as pissed off by Tom's comment as you were!
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Mitch had to pull the plug, because giggles was off the track.
What a lovely laugh!
This episode just made me mad. My God😡🤬 Honestly, I think Jasmine was pressing too much and inserting herself a bit too strongly in their relationship. I do see why she did it, but sometimes you need to take a step back and let your friends deal with their own things. I do agree that Olly isn't feeling Demi though, and I feel he's just wasting her time and sucking all her energy in something that is not going to progress.
Now, the whole makeup artist conversation made me raged! So judgemental. Every profession is worth of respect and he was an asshole. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Like can you guys imagine how he must treat service workers? Throw the whole man away, my God
I feel like after being pretty honest and pretty upset over cheating on someone. Which we know no context of at all. Just that he cheated. Still bad of course. I think it’s unfair to put the “once a cheater always a cheater” narrative onto every cheater. Some people truly don’t learn. But there are people who want to change. It has to be hard when someone you love won’t speak to you or bother talk to you for a couple days. But she also may have trauma towards cheating. So having reservations is ok. But not communicating or talking about it is a really frustrating too.
There is no context that justifies cheating
@@onyx081 I said “it’s still bad” I wasn’t trying to justify it. I’m sorry it came off that way. I just think she has to give him a chance. And if she believes what she believes. She shouldn’t be staying with him. I think it’s bizarre to string someone along. I was just trying to explain I think not all cheaters. Stay cheaters.
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Maria is like: "No."
Ashley is like: "No."
Me: No.
What is going on with Tom?
... it might be a poverty mindset. In terms of never wanting to be poor... otherwise it's kind of strange, but viewers judged Benaiah for being a freelance house sitter.
Jasmine has known Demi for 2 weeks that ain’t her friend. She was being nosey and that wasn’t her place. I’m glad Freddie finally gave Catherine a reason to leave because I need him free of her 😂 Still like Ollie but great reaction otherwise
You can definitely want the best for someone, see them as a friend and stick up for them after 2 weeks in my opinion. Especially in a scenario as crazy as this in my opinion.
Tom wants a wife. He dies not want t I be a husbabd.
Completely disagree and find your comments about Ollie highly disrespectful and judgemental ‼️ 😢 Temper tantrum? Jasmine was badgering him even when he asked her to stop. Watch the other cast doing podcasts Jasmine was doing TOO much and it made ppls uncomfortable‼️😬😡
15:00 🤣🤣
Cheating is a major ick and red flag to me. I don't care how long ago it was. Catherine has a right to feel the way she feels about it, especially since she's been a victim of it multiple times in her past relationships.
I get tired of people framing cheating as some unavoidable mistake. Cheating is a calculated, conscious and deliberate act of betrayal that destroys the self worth of those who have been a victim of it. Not to mention that he more than likely cheated more than once over an extended period of time, because it's never just one time.
People keep saying that Catherine has low self esteem and is insecure (which she is) but that is the aftermath of being cheated on. I'm sure Freddie's ex is walking around with the same self esteem issues and insecurities as a result of his cheating as well.
I feel like people are coming hot for the ladies for very stupid small stuff and giving sooo much slack to the guys literally saying "yeah, I think make up artist are lazy self absorbed people" like??????? I mis 2018
@@carolitoffanaIt's insane. I don't even like Cat, but the black and white view of her and Freddie is galling. The misogyny is getting worse and worse. Women are often the main offenders; it's nuts.
Women's standards are meant to be in the pits of hell apparently.
The only exception is Sam who is a walking, talking red flag.
You can't be sure of Freddie's ex doing anything, how do you know she wasn't cheating too. 🙄
@@regularity2556 WTF are you bringing her into this? Talk about deflection. If she HAD been then Freddie would've mentioned it as an excuse.
Lord, the audacity!
Is it just me or mama membriash's hair looks like she got a hijab on?From certain angles🙈
I watched the video too fast! I need the next episode!!
Nicole and Benaiah... I just don't see it.
Ollie has ADHD
Imo, I don't think he's judging her for being a make up artist.. i think he was probably more concerned that she uses make up to make herself attractive vs degrading her nob/education/profession.
I just read it differently
I think they both read it differently to be fair. In their one on ones they interpreted the issue differently to each other. Maria was seeing it as a status thing and Tom was seeing it as a character and values thing. Still judgemental in a sense but I wish they’d gone into each other’s point of views deeper before it getting out of hand you know
"She uses make up to make herself look attractive".
Isn't that the point of make up? Was he saying that she wears make up at inappropriate times?
@@rejectionisprotection4448 idk exactly how to read his reaction cuz I'm not really a fan (or a hater) of him. He's kind of forgettable to me.
I am, however, make up obsessed hahah so I'll never side with him if that's what he meant! Haha
What I took from it though seemed more like he thought she might have been someone who hides behind her makeup because of her job but in reality she actually wears WAY less make up than I do in my daily life
Am i the only one thinking Maria in inter sex or presenting masculine..
Tom is typical snob. He will not last
I agree. Their personalities are coming out and aren’t really fitting into each other.
As someone who’s on the spectrum, I find it incredibly triggering when someone calls another person a “child” and having a “tantrum” when he’s actually having a breakdown. Hes on the spectrum. He’s a good guy. He’s overwhelmed. I can fit myself in his shoes and I would have HATED jasmines interrogation- she showed zero respect for Ollie’s space. I know your opinion of him will change but regardless, please stop labeling people as children for having a meltdown. Please thanks
Yeah. that wasn't a tantrum. Jasmine was nagging him and sticking her nose where it doesn't belong. Instead of cussing her out he walked away. Give men space to process their emotions, they are not like us women.