I can't explain the intense joy these videos bring me - thank you so much for all the time and effort you pour into these vids, they make me cackle out loud every single time. I hope you have an absolutely wonderful day :)
"Players play their characters like water, they seek the path of least resistance. However, what the players really want is to go through a path that's anything but a straight. So your role as a DM is to set up hurdles so that the players can follow that path of least resistance, and at the end, the shape is as satisfying and pleasing as possible." - Paraphrased from Brennan Lee Mulligan, on linear storytelling as a DM
I’ve just learned that know plot survives first contact with the players. I just try to make sure there is a way to move forward, the way I would do it, but if their way makes sense then cool. I have my plot points on a notebook and by the time they get done with it it it looks like the arcane scribbling of a madman. My main goal is to make the world feel like it’s reacting to the players in the way that Skyrim doesn’t.
I’ve been stressing about whether or not I’m railroading my players with my story, and I thought I was just covering up my restrictions by giving the illusion of choice. This video has helped me realize the difference between railroading and what I’m actually doing; telling a linear story. It’s a huge relief. Thank you, Mr. Demico. Thank you.
Illusion of choice is what physical reality gives you anyway, no matter how rich and lucky at birth you may be. None of us is Zeus, at best we get an inhumanly large and unknown number options, but never truly infinite options. We wouldn't even know how to be truly limitless. To make a good game, you just need enough options and satisfying enough limitations to justify the smaller selection to trigger the same illusion.
What your doing is fine, your players will most likely enjoy it if done right. Just don't tell the internet or they will cry and say how your a horrible DM.
If you don't have a permanent DM character, and the party isn't doing that characters quest, and the DM isn't hooking up with players both in-game and IRL, and if the DM isn't secretly gaslighting a player about how everyone feels about their character, then you're probably good.
This was like therapy for me and my wife, who's currently DMing for us lol. She's always worried about "railroading" us, and it's completely unfounded. She's such a great storyteller, and we all love following her plothooks. This was exactly what we needed to watch!!!! 🙂 Thank you!!
That's a great form of storytelling when you know how it ends, but the fun part is learning how everything led to that outcome. It's like how you know Titanic is going to sink by the end of the movie, but what you're here for is to see how it all happens. Similarly with EXU: Calamity, you know the Betrayer Gods are getting released, the question is how. Also that first hour of the final episode which represented literally only a second of in-universe time was *chef's kiss* 😘👌
You have to tailor it towards the group you have. Sometimes especially if it's newer players to many choices confuse them in my experience. Once they get there wings give them choices let them fly!
As a first time DM, I learned this the hard way. I was planning my first campaign (two years ago) and grew obsessed with avoiding railroading at all costs. What happened was that I created a sandbox type campaign and it couldn't be shittier both for me and my group. In time, I evolved it to be a multi-branch linear campaign and things started flowing so much better.
The core agreement between Player and DM is basically "We will create a story together." Railroading is the DM going back on the deal while screaming "MY STORY MINE!!!" while Linear storytelling is the DM going "Ok for this story to unfold, this is the first plot point that the story must pass through. What's you're approach?"
Exactly. As the DM, it’s your responsibility to make sure there’s a story to interact with. Most of the time, the story in the game will mostly line up with what you planned. But the players are supposed to interact with it in their own way, finding their own solutions to the problems you designed. The mark of a good DM is designing a story open enough that your players can do something completely unexpected, that you didn’t at all intend, but you roll with it and still find a way to make it work with the intended plot. THAT is perfect D&D storytelling IMO.
Right, we often talk about the responsibilities of the DM in this respect, but not that as players you should also be making some effort to engage with plot hooks too. Its kind of a dick move to deliberately walk away from something your DM has prepared.
I’m happy that you brought up how stories can be linear, non linear, and sandbox at different times. It’s a tactic that I use a lot. In one campaign, the party started off on a pretty linear path, and once they got to the shadow king, he told them to go get stronger and come back for their next job once they have more skill and magic items. So now the players have to go around and find out where magic items are and the campaign turned into non-linear as they scoured the land for any ancient tombs or desecrated temples. I had stuff pre prepared, but they could get the items in any order they chose. In the next campaign I am running, the party is going to be plopped into a new strange world after a very brief (like 2 encounters) linear section. They will go on sandboxing for a level or two, and then will be noticed by the local factions, at which point it will turn into linear or non-linear (idk I don’t plan that far in advance) as they are introduced to the politics of the world and hints of the BBEG acting in the background (they will originally not appear important, as the factions they interact with do not know of the BBEG’s significance yet and are too busy politicking to notice a cult worshiping a dead witch king grow within their lands)
I guess make the choices they have within the story way less frequent? Like no more choosing between buying 10 potions or buying a magic sword for the fighter, there is only a potion shop now.
I feel for you, bro, though in my case me and my friends and I were on our first campaign, so me saying "OK here is a problem, do whatever you want to fix it" sometimes depending on the thing that they had to do, they did feel overwhelmed with choice, which is why they would consistently ask me what I think they should do.
@@GreviousGKoopaFor that case I'd say it is ok to limit the options on how to fix the thing, maybe detailing the thing helps to narrow the choices available. It may also be they are just confused with the lack of specificity. It is difficult at first to determine how much your players understand (or pay attention to) the situation, so ask them if they get it.
As a new DM I knew this way of Dming was the one that I liked (and now my players are enjoying) but always read about how bad "railroading" was. I'm so happy to saw one of my favorites youtubers validate my DM style (not that it was neccesary but is really neat).
The thing you want to be careful about is "attempting to give illusions of choice". Starting at the back of a train and battling your way through challenges until you get to the front of the train is fine. Being told you can leave whenever you want, only to realize you're not allowed to and that you're on a moving train, that's what makes you feel railroaded.
Seriously who are you man. The amount of good will, free stuff and love you put out into the community is next level. Thanks so much for all your work. :-)
I'm glad you pointed out the choice paralysis aspect. I as a DM can easily get too excited coming up with stuff like that and I regularly get disappointed once it's actually in front of the players because by overloading them with choices and information I didn't actually communicate clearly what the consequences of those choices are, or the players spend way to long deciding amongst themselves what to do because they feel like I've given them a test with a multiple choice question and only one correct choice.
This actually puts a few things into perspective. I like choices and consequences and I have been led to believe that sandboxes are my type of game. There was just one tiny problem with the genre; I rarely ever finished them, and the reasons are becoming more obvious. 1) I need goals to keep me interested. 2) I'm prone to choice paralysis. There have been times where my inability to decide what I wanted killed my interest in the game. It's the reason why I can never play Minecraft (or any other sandbox) for too long. Some people can make their goals and enjoy games that way, whereas I prefer having a narrative to follow. I don't know if I have some kind of ADHD, but I am more likely to enjoy and finish a linear game than non-linear one. And now I know why. I thought sandbox was the solution... but I was wrong. Linear with choices is the soft spot for me.
I don't know if it was on propose, but I love that the railroading example's DM is so stupid that he goes out of its way inventing insane excuses to impede the players when they weren't even necessary because all of the villagers are already unable to escape because of the forcefield. Talk about tunnel visioning
That's what happens when you make shit up on the spot to counter and roadblock your players instead of simply plotting out an internally consistent world and having it react accordingly to whatever the players try to do.
Something that Brennan Lee Mulligan talked about in the Game Masters of Exandria video, is that in a game with plot objectives you need to have rails, but it sucks for those rails to come from the GM, so what he talked about was doing in depth character creations because what your players give you is what the rails become, therefore granting this full degree of player agency while still having those rails in place. In that same video, Abria talked about how there were moments where Brennan guided her along a certain scene, but it didn't feel like a railroad, rather he gave her prompts to do what her character would do, so when he says something she didn't go "Oh, I guess this is where the plot is going" she went "Yeah, you're right, I don't hear that prophecy, FUCK THIS TREE!"
This is a good use of the "dynamic dungeon" approach I use. I helped a player create her character, and from the conversation we had while choosing spells, I had a good idea how they'd react to some things. So I put a few of those "hooks" into the dungeon. One of my favorites was a putrid fountain with treasure at the bottom, because I knew that player would enjoy using her magic to purify the water. Another was a cave behind a waterfall for a player who, out-of-game, had mentioned that "all games have at least one cave behind the waterfall". So I put a bunch of razorvine behind a waterfall because I knew he'd go there.
As someone who has recently started branching out into different systems (GOD I love you Blades in the Dark), D&D really *does* require a lot more railroading compared to certain other rules-light systems, mostly because of DM preparation. When I'm DMing D&D, I need to have a *lot* of stuff prepared. I usually need battlemaps, if I want the party to fight certain enemies I'm gonna need a stat block for that enemy, I need to have a general idea of what they can *do* in this town, because all the scene-setting work in D&D is on you, the DM. If my players just decide "nah, we don't wanna help the goblins of the ancient forest this session, we're gonna head to that town south of the forest" and I didn't think to have at least *something* for that, I'm SoL and I need to either prep interesting things *real* quick or prepare for a very flat and uninteresting session. With Blades, I do not need to do this. Blades is *meant* to be more sandboxy, which means that everything is set up so that I basically have to do no prep. There are no stat blocks (player rolls solve both the enemy and their actions, and they change depending on a bunch of factors), there is no over-arching plot you need to stick to, there's just a system of factions and a way for the players to find jobs to do *in the system*. You really don't need to plan these jobs at all, because Blades forgoes planning *even in game* and has characters retroactively plan their job through flashbacks when necessary. When comparing Blades and D&D, it becomes *abundantly* clear just how much of D&D's session-to-session play is reliant on the GM at least 'trailroading' the players, showing them the path to follow and hoping to god they aren't just gonna be contrarian jerks and do something else. Blades, as a system, uses none of this, and requires the players to find their own fun in the world - that's not objectively *better*, mind you, but it's an example of how there *are* systems for non-linear, sandbox storytelling, and D&D just isn't it.
That's kinda cringe, because being wrong and then understanding and correcting that are part of developing ones personality, so if you follow this path you're either delusional and/or stagnant.
I played all of the Dragon Age games + the DLCs for the first time this year and blew my mind how much agency the player has. Even decisions from past games effect the newer ones.
Yeah, I remember Brennan Lee Mulligan talking about this in his round table with Matt and Aabria. He likened it to irrigating a field, when the water wants to go in a straight line while the farmers want an appealing vista. The ‘story’ or ‘plot’ wants the path of least resistance, whereas the players want complex paths that the story would have to fight in its current form, meaning you as the architect must design a path to please both. “You made the shape of a story, while trying to make it anything but.
Brennan put it so succinctly in that portion of the roundtable! I often find that some advice can be given and then doesn't work in specific ways that people expect. This brings to mind the "if you want something to have stakes, put a timer on it!". I've seen DMs do this and then be surprised/complain that their players only want to go save X NPC or get to Location Y in the allotted time instead of follow all these new, interesting plot hooks the DM is laying down. Like of course the players will go do the urgent thing; you said it was urgent!
I am constantly impressed by all of the media examples you use in these videos to support your points. It’s so fun to see the clips and art that help get the message across. The first thing that came to mind with video games that mix linear and non-linear are the type with a main quest line and lots of side quests. Playing Assassin’s Creed where I can either progress the plot or go around beating up the towns and cities really made me enjoy the game.
I feel like this was a long way to say something like "if you want to play Curse of Strahd, you HAVE to go to Barovia," I heard that on Crispy's Tavern and he is a DM that prefers running linear games with tough combat so he often has alot to say when reading dnd horror stories that involve DMs getting accused of railroading when all they were doing was running a linear game. Still cool to hear a breakdown of these three narrative structures
The thing is though Curse of Strahd is non-linear at least from my experience, but it probably wouldn't be hard to make it linear. So no, I wouldn't say its just saying that. What Crispy was talking about there was creating characters that can work in a party or central conceit of the campaign, which is also important.
I think the problem is that players forget that the DM needs to set the scene or else there is no game - I run sandbox games but to bring the party together you do need little bits of planned events at the start of a campaign to ensure your PCs meet one another and have a reason to adventure - the start of Curse of Strahd is a perfect example. Good players will lean into these moments - bad ones will just try to say no to everything because it's 'railroading' to expect them to actually engage with the game.
@shadenox8164 CoS is so non-linear the community had to MAKE UP a main quest just so the DMs didn't have to do it themselves. It's a wonderful setting book with plenty of sidequests but unless you have really precocious players it's impossible to get a fulfilling story if you run it as written
@@nehemiahsomers4141 we're playing COS at the moment and it's been a blast because we're a experienced group and know how to work with the DM and each other to get the most out of it. I can't imagine anyone running the game without some liner story to get the PCs to Ravenloft, and there's some great liner versions like Strahd Must Die Tonight and Curse of Strahd IN SPACE (my personal favourite!). What makes COS so fun is that the non-liner storytelling is baked into the DM instructions so it's never going to play out the same way twice... part of making it fun also relies upon players accepting that the settings will have some limitations on player freedom - eg you can't just planeshift your way out of Ravenloft or expect your wizard to have a good time in a Dark Sun campaign.
@@ether4211 whenever I play sandbox, the first session is usually linear, a little railroad-y even, just to bring people up to speed, set up a tone and so on. I mean, think of Skyrim. It literally starts with you on a cart about to be executed. You can't choose not to go and see the dragon attack the village. But after that, you're a free man, doing as he pleases. Nobody in their right mind would argue that Skyrim isn't a sandbox
I love that you're so self aware about the videos, honestly the best thing about this channel - and all the amazing work put into your homebrew that is FREE for heaven's sake - and gosh darn it one of the big things I love about TTRPGs is narrative; the story the DM is telling, sure, that can be primarily player driven, or completely sandbox but over all the narrative relies on the Dm's shaping of the world - I'm often confused by the idea that DMs should stop making linear stories or attempt to make player choice the absolute decider, because frankly, there are many players who want to star in their own fantasy story, and that needs a DM with a level of control over the story's direction, player choice can effect the people they meet, the battles they fight, and the ordeals they have to overcome, but at the end of the day a story cannot simply manifest from unrelated decisions What is bad is when a DM allows the characters to make any decision they want and uses an open world to hide the fact the sandbox is fluff and the actual story is railroaded
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I've been using a lot of Linear Storytelling in my games recently. I've essentially broken it up into small, seemingly unconnected stories that are slowly building into something greater. These stories are short/small enough that they only take 2-3 sessions at most, but are also simple enough that player's still have agency on how to progress. So far it's working out pretty well. I just gotta get past the BBG that is "Scheduling Issues".
I think railroading works better when you don't ask your players open ended "What do you want to do?" and ask more guiding questions like "You stand outside the necromancer tower, how did you prepare for this?". Talking while even scheduling a game "I'm excited about this dungeon crawl I made". I've found myself with anxiety players, so providing them a syllabus with what we're doing and what I need from them helps a lot to get them confident in the game. And even without anxiety players, I'll ask at the end of the previous session "What mission would you like next?" or "what landmark on the hexmap would you like to head towards next session" and then have a week to craft a heist or pre roll some random travel tables or maybe even grab a couple props from the dollar store to hand out. The main thing being to communicate with the players where their choices lay, which can be less about where they go and more about how they approach.
Depends on the style. I genuinely hate ironed-out stories, and I'm a forever DM. My games start with plot hooks, and write down what could become the plot of that hooks, but all can change depending on the vibe and on how the player want to interact with the world around them (it never works when, for example, I want to make a gunslinguing and high-risk high-reward story but the players want to play a safe and well planned story). If it works on your table, fine, but it's not better, it's just another approach
As a DM, I struggle to avoid the main plot thing because I love story. 🤷🏻♂️ I've always wanted to do a monster hunting campaign though ever since I played the Witcher 3. It's always been a big inspiration. Current campaign is inspired by a game of thrones/a song of ice and fire. It's heavily story driven and a high risk game. Combat isn't super common, but when it happens, it's dangerous, but I haven't killed anyone yet. Didn't mean to ramble, it just excites me. 😅🤣
I find that the emergent narrative that springs up from player interest and ingenuity is 100x better and more satisfying than the story the DM comes up with. Mostly because 1. Most DMs aren't professional writers or narrativists and therefore rely a ton on previous media and tropes which get ACHINGLY stale and predictable over time and 2. The combined imagination of the players molding a story out of a setting that isn't set to fit them creates solutions to problems that are excitingly unique and forces players to make use of their combined resources more often.
I think I'd have a better time dming if all of my regular players were actively paying attention and engaging in the story with a sandbox like that. I'm running a less regular game with much more traditional players that is more of a sandbox, and I'm having a great time considering they're more involved in every moment. I think any game just depends on full participation and undivided attention on both parts to have fun, no matter the type of game.
Final Fantasy VI and VII were beautiful examples of linear stories with lots of player choices throughout, including eventually sandbox world explorations.
ive played FF VI last year, that is a good example of D&D, and the game doesnt even have a main character, you could argue for three of them, and it be a totally valid argument
Yeah... 😅 Consumed like 10 000 hours of D&D games, storytelling world-building... content and still haven't played a game yet. But worry not I know it's coming soon... Someday... Somewhen... 😅
As a first time DM I told my players I was running a guided story (Candlekeep Mysteries) and if they wanted to play they would have to go along with the adventure prompts. To me, this means if the plot requires them to help a King, they will accept the quest and in doing so start the adventure. How they go about the quest and the outcome of the quest will depend on their creativity and actions. Running an entirely open sandbox world where you can do very little planning and have to react and improvise to every players whims sounds like an exhausting nightmare! How do you get to be creative? How do you introduce engaging NPC’s and challenge your players growth and development? Great work as always Pointy Hat! Thanks for giving us this tip! 🙏🏻
Linear games are pre-prep, Sandbox games are post-prep. It requires more improvisation, but as long as you write down whatever an NPC say and do and canonize it after it happens, it's pretty much the same.
I'm a first time Game Master for my group and I've found myself waiting up for your videos because they are simply amazing and the information is PRICELESS. I was in the middle of tormenting myself with my last minute game prep when this video released and they're all so good!!!
I love linear story RPGs as the choices they offer are more meaningful within the context of the story and player character. There feels like a direction and purppse to them.
100% this. They are so much easier to guide, cater, and push things along. The characters having their joined stories and objectives along a major path and toward the next event is so powerful. Look at stories like Avatar, One Piece, Pokemon Legends Arceus, and Xenoblade. They are all linear with sequential wide open sections that make them freeing. Keeping in enough linearity also helps the feeling of the GM as a *director* and moderator, helping provide the best aspects and moments catered to the players and characters. So yeah I’m a big fan of this hybrid model of sequential narrative openness. They come in knowing where they are and where they’re going and what they generally want to do, with the story, choice, and action being based on *how* all of that happens.
In my experience, it is much more difficult to prepare for complete sandbox games and even in nonlinear stories it is harder to prepare dramatic events and foreshadowing the things properly. It is difficult as character arcs are often interrupted or interchanged with other plots. Players sometimes forget the cool things and naturally after 24 weeks break, some of the passion is lost in time and will need to be refreshed. That is how feelings work. Linear stories with choices aplenty is best for almost all tables in my experience. But I love monster of the week stuff too for a change of pace but my favorite is deep and dramatic long campaigns. I am a sucker for that and they are simply usually mostly linear. There might be sandboxy parts but the main narrative and story is linear.
I find this stuff really interesting. Personally I run mostly nonlinear/sandbox styles, but I absolutely recognize the value of linear games and do enjoy them. I also think it's a lot easier to prep for, as sandbox games can end up feeling like a loosely connected series of random encounters. And while that works wonders in some places, like in exploration or survival-style games, if you're trying to run an epic story-heavy campaign, it simply will never serve your needs
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NGL I think I needed to see this video. I’ve been putting together my next campaign with some new players and I’ve been trying to find the best storytelling method and talking myself out of doing linear storytelling because it feels “Railroady” meanwhile all of my other games have struggled from a lack of direction and purpose. So thanks, I was leaning this way and now you’ve affirmed the truth. Here’s to great campaigns!
I really appreciate this video, thank you! I now have a solution for some of my players choice paralysis. I was worried about 'railroading', but giving a linear story(instead of nonlinear) before I try handing them a world sounds like a great solution. First video of yours I've seen and you've already helped me a ton. Thank you!!
As I’m doing more one-shots recently, linear storytelling is my go to. I will often do a non-linear in the vein of “you got X places to go (and yeah, they will have more concise plots when you get there), but which do you want first?” Very much in the vein of the first Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. But why am I not in the trenches with you? Idk. I guess I’m not at the front. Just one of the fellas at home while you save the day!
TH-cam is listening to me. I am starting my first campaign as a DM and I was telling my players that it will likely be most liner and I give you some moments where the world becomes explorable and we had quite the conversation about this topic. I was able to sway them my way. Mostly after I cried and begged them not to force me to do a sandbox because it is more strain and soul drain than I need at the moment. Then I see this video, as always, love your work Antonio! :D
Story from the first campaign I ran. I made a mystery plot but after listening to people saying how railroading was bad I didn't put anything to send them towards the foreshadowing for the ending and they ended up skipping all of it because I didn't try hard enough to expose them to it. The ending twist completely fell flat and none of the players cared (It was also a problem of not learning what kind of campaign the table wanted and since I have made sessions more towards their interest with a small amount of railroaded foreshadowing for the twists and intrigue I like in storytelling to create a game everyone on the table enjoys)
Thanks for this video! I've only played, like, 3 1-shots in the last year but I've started DMing for my kids. I stumbled upon the non-liner to liner tactic, and it's worked out pretty well! I let my kids fumble around for a couple sessions doing encounters from Icepire Peak, then the big brothers of the guys they attacked all happen to be working for the BBEG who figures into the backstory of my 11-yr-old. It's like, I let them come up with the puzzle pieces, then I fit them together. PS, hearing my 6-yr-old daughter tell my wife, "Mommy, I melted a goblin's face off!" was a really cool dad moment.
Seeing as the entire point of playing D&D is to have fun, I think maintaining a certain minimum degree of linearity in every campaign is essential, because being the main characters in the sequential plot of an awesome story is fun. Wandering around aimlessly and doing random crap can also be fun sometimes, but that isn't exactly how most stories go, and for good reason. The key point is to let the players decide how they want to respond to any given event. As long as they always have at least a couple options and the freedom to propose new ones (even if they're really stupid), then it's fine.
For me, an ideal campaign (linear or otherwise) would have large amounts of character agency. (Which I will distinguish from player agency) Characters have hopes and ambitions, and ultimately leave their mark in the plot. (Run the same module with a different group of characters, at it should give a different vibe. For a sandbox, the characters goals simply become the plot. The DM just needs to plan appropriate obstacles.
I completely disagree that linearity is needed at all. What *is* needed, I think, is creating credible threats, antiparties, villains, etc, that whether the players get involved or not, will continue their march towards their goals. It doesn't matter if the players sit on their asses and cant think of anything to do, because the world will march on with or without them.
First thing: love the videos. My kids and I watch them and love the content. As a new DM (for my family) I appreciate the recognition of linear story telling. I will always let them play with the storyline however they want but I want them to know there are objectives they can focus on and it helps them roleplay their characters. So like, thanks 😄
When I studied games design at university everyone would always argue that a linear narrative stripped players of their agency and I could never succinctly respond to them about how WRONG they were, but now I'll just send people this video! I love a good linear narrative, I love leaving breadcrumbs for people to follow in stories, and I also love people to feel like they have a choice and make an impact on the story. I ESPECIALLY love when all these things happen at the SAME TIME 👍
Master the Dungeon has amazing videos on traps and puzzles, it is kind of their main focus. Small channel too. Sometime in the mean time between Pointy Hat videos.
Going from the back of a train, battling through challenges to the front of the train is completely fine. Demon Slayer literally made an arc like that. What you want to be careful with is giving illusions of choice that you cannot keep, because being told you can get off at any point and then discovering you cannot is what makes you feel railroaded. Otherwise you're just having an adventure.
Hearing pointyhat talk about games like dragon age and their linear (with choice) storytelling along with his general fondness of dnd makes me wonder what he feels about Owlcat's Pathfinder game. I'd also like to add that I highly recommend them to anyone who hasn't played them; especially because they're on sale.
Great video! I've been looking at what Sly Flourish calls "yam-shaped" campaigns, where the beginning levels and the climax are more linear, but the middle part is more non-linear and open. I guess that's the classic BioWare model: you have the tutorial intro (usually with NPC companions that don't survive), then the first town/quest hub with the NPC recruitment missions and a few sidequests but one main objective. Then the setting opens up and you can do the 3-4 main quests in any order, before the game gets linear in the climax as you wrap up the main story.
I really love this video! I’m a fairly new DM, having only DMed like 5 times, but the whole time I was worried I was railroading because I wanted to keep important plot points and twists in the story, yet give them a fair amount of free reign on how to get from point A to point B. After each session I always ask if my players had a good time or if it was too structured, and they always reassure me they felt fully immersed in the story but still I worried. Seeing this video gave me the validation to tell myself that I’m doing what I should be doing. Thank you Mr.Pointy Hat!
I think one of the important things to remember is that even when you use linear storytelling, you don't have to make it feel linear to the players. For example, they may have three different NPCs they can reach out to for help. All three NPCs might suggest the same solution. You might THINK the noble, the thief and the clergy would have all given you different paths to tackle the problem, but it doesn't mean they would have. This is linear, but the players still have choice in how they approach the problem. It might even change some of the details of what happens or why, but it could lead to the same situation, the same puzzle, the same combat, etc. The one really big thing to avoid is making the players feel like they don't have any choice. In highly-linear story situations, it's important to both discuss the linearity of the campaign with the players, but also to ensure that their characters are sufficiently motivated so that the linear path would definitely be the one they take. A discharged knight of the kingdom who seeks to earn back her rank will take up arms to defend the cities and villages, especially if those in office can't. The sorcerer whose brother was killed by the BBEG will stop at nothing to get revenge. The Life cleric must purge the undead menace because the BBEG is a necromancer. They stole something from the Rogue and now the rogue has to defeat them and get it back or they can never return to their order. If a player's character does not have a baked-in reason to be motivated to tackle the campaign and follow the adventurer's path, then it's the player's responsibility to figure out why they're motivated, even if it's just that they're really chill with whatever and like these random goobers they met.
In a couple of days, I’m planning to DM my first session by running an adventure from one of the D&D modules, and railroading has been a reoccurring fear in the back of my head since I plan to stay true to the book. This explanation has taken a lot of that weight, and I can’t thank you enough, Pointy Hat. Much appreciated!
I think this whole video can be boiled down to “Don’t be an asshole”. On the one hand the DM shouldnt be an asshole by forcing the players to play their game. On the other the players shouldnt be an asshole by using “player choice” to do whatever random thing the feel like at the moment just to fuck with the DM or satisfy some momentary urge rather than engaging with the rest of the party or the DM
Having read some of the comments on this discussion I see so many takes that want the DM to be a lapdog that tends to all of the player's whims it's so bad. TTRPGs are supposed to be collaborative. Make the bare minimum effort to *collaborate* with your DM.
Would love more content like this. Your D&D-focused stuff is good, but as someone who GMs other systems, having general insights on building narratives is really neat.
Sabía que eras español, pero para nada me esperaba que vivieses en Tenerife, saludos desde Lanzarote. Disfruto mucho de tus vídeos, sigue así. Sobretodo por tu increíble nivel de inglés, tengo curiosidad ya que voy a estudiar filología inglesa, tú también lo has estudiado o simplemente has vivido anteriormente en un entorno en el que se hable mucho inglés?
My best campaign experiences as a DM, homebrew or official module, has been through linear storytelling. Specifically, I go by a consequence system, with "consequence" being morally neutral. There's the overall storyline happening around the players, and there are hooks dangled in front of them to participate in them, but my players have the agency to do anything they want (which is 90% of our content). If they don't take the hooks, stuff happens even without them there, affecting what they encounter later. Everyone loves it, and it feels like true RP. Wonderful video, keep it up!
Your city looks adorable! Really, such a good vibe in there. About linear/nonlinear narratives... I do think that your example of mixed parts is great! Thanks for your videos.
wait, video games went through a "boss fights=bad" phase? can you give an example? (i'm not trying to start a fight/debate, sorry if i gave that vibe, I just want more context)
There was a "boss fight bad" phase? Also I heard more people complaining about how bad western games in comparison to Japanese ones (mostly from people who are way too horny for anime girls).
You're a great TH-camr not because of the free stuff (which is amazing), but because of your heart. Thanks for another fun video and helping me feel more confident about my linear stories!
As a DM who very much prefers linear storytelling, this is really uplifting. SO MUCH bad feels from all the people attacking that style of play, this is great. Thanks
Another great video! Pointy Hat always has insightful, clever, and creative things to say about the topics he chooses. This is now my favorite DND channel!
I'm actually really happy to see this exact topic being discussed in such a clear and defined way. I've been struggling trying to come up with something of a plot to try running a game for friends but I would constantly feel like I was painting myself into the corner of railroading just by having a loose handful of plot points so I had a coherent story as the background for what is happening. Having this very clearly defined difference between a linear story and railroading will help me avoid those "Oh no I'm just railroading them" thoughts.
When I gm, I like to have linear branching narratives around a central theme, and when the players have moments of brevity between those points, I open up the sandbox and redirect with non linear narratives if necessary to return the players to that linear story. I guess what I'm really saying is that you've railroaded my love for this channel and I can't thank you enough for the happiness it brings me in watching your videos
As always, great content my dude! I definitely also hate railroading and similar "DM Power Abuse" scenarios where "oh I know I split the party, but now you suddenly need each other, so POOF! the cleric's good just teleported you back together" or whatever... it just doesn't feel right... Keep up the good work though!
I loved that this video focused on Game Theory!!! I'm not in enough spheres or online circles to talk in favor of linear plots, but I miss the focus on having those! I just need to start getting back into those with my dnd games. Thank you as always!🎉
When your table has that "yes and" approach to the story, it works so well... But when you're in a group of contrarians, that extract pleasure to frustrate the DM plans, it could be a really bad experience.
I enjoyed this video. My best friend is running a couple of games at the minute. One was a straightforward dungeon crawl, fairly linear the other was sandbox. Frostmaiden I think. The frostmaiden group really struggled because they didn’t know what to do, argued about what they should do and got frustrated with the DM’s and each other. And they’d asked to play sandbox style. My friend vents at me on discord all time. His latest one is how they keep missing obvious clues.
I needed this video so bad! Our DM is new and has been trying to run a sandbox type game, but due to inexperience has actually been railroading us through his own behind the scenes narrative. Maybe this video can help us all see the light of linear storytelling.
I really enjoy and appreciate your advice. I think that you'd be a really fun guy to have as a DM (it also doesn't hurt that you're adorable in personality and looks) LOL Take care of yourself and keep creating!
This is such a good video that i think tons more people need to see. So many problems in the digital age are caused by people just not understanding or having misconceptions of things.
Also I love how this ties to video games like Breath of the Wild which I have heard people herald as one of the best sandbox games of all time, even though it isn't one.
Me and the other DMs in our group (I know, our group has 3 DMs, we are blessed), we have a routine whereby in between archs/quests we will have a role play heavy session or two where the party recovers from the last quest line and figure out information for what to do next. During these sessions we are given two or three choices and we choose which direction we want to go, therefore starting a new linear quest. I love this model. It provides change, choice, and player agency, while then giving the DM direction for the future sessions.
When my friends and I were trying D&D for the first time, after a short easy game to dip our toes in, we were going to start an open-world campaign in which we could get the several MacGuffins in any order we wanted. However... It went so wrong after the first dungeon and entered the world for the first time. Another player and I were trying so hard to do damage control... But then one player had to bow out temporarily, and we didn't want to continue our big homebrew campaign without them, so we started to play the much more linear, railroad-y Humblewood. That was the best choice ever. As we, beginner players who barely played for 2 months, continued with the game, we got experience, we got better at roleplaying, and I lost my title of a wallflower and became one of the most passionate roleplayers that I straight-up voice act my characters and even bought a voice mod. If you are introducing a group of players that 5/6 of them have only played one short game to a D&D campaign, I HIGHLY suggest a linear campaign for them. We are now finally playing our first open-world campaign, and we are doing SO much better than our first one. All thanks to earning experience through a linear storytelling campaign.
I like the points you make about choice paralysis. To be honest, if I get to that point I am happy because that means I have extra content for players to enjoy. The trick is to recognize is to stop yourself from giving them too much.
omg! This put into words how I was feeling about a dnd game I'm in! I always play a few different games at the same time and for some reason I couldn't put into words why my new game just isn't fitting my play style. It's a sandbox, but also it feels railroading since there is plot points the dm is trying to get us too, so it just feels like the gaming styles are crashing into eachother instead of helping each other. This is an amazing video!!
Thank you for this video. I am a DM in one campaign and a player in another. I learn a lot from the DM in the other game and sometimes wonder if i should pursue a more linear narrative since i am so bad at emotional payoff, at least in my pov. Yet my group loves making the small choices for character flavour and they don't mind me giving them the next destination and not offering a bunch of choice. I think this is more sandbox style. As a panster writer it is less time consuming to prep since its only when the session ends that i can effectively make up material for the next session (while having furure destinations float in my head for when i see an opportunity to drop hints if a character does something unexpected). My players are enjoying whats happening so far so i am focusing on my weakness - combat - instead of trying to fix something that isnt broken. I am fortunate to be blessed with players with whom my DMing style suits. I like sandboxing as a scatterbrained DM but largely prefer linear as a player. For context, my "sandbox" campaign (which had elements of linear) is tomb of annihilation but heavily modified with a bunch of homebrew stuff tossed in as i see fit.
I'm currently running my first homebrew campaign and let me tell you, linear storytelling has done wondors for me. It makes things very easy to track for both me and my players (who are also new) and let's me guide them towards significant choices I have planned in the story we are telling. Making them feel like they're contributing to and making a difference in the story while also allowing me to prepare for whatever they choose to do ahead of time. All in all it's still really enjoyable for everyone and makes DMing alot less of a headache than I was anticipating :)
SABIA QUE ERAS ESPAÑOL!!! Buenas paisano! Just love your vids, i´ve watching them for quite some time now, because my fiancee and I are going to start DMing and you are helping me dearly. Thanks lots!!!
The DM has the authority to make the next session a heist. The players have the agency to decide if the theme music for the heist is Mission Impossible, or Benny Hill.
I’ve been coming up with a lot of stuff for a campaign I wanna run in a while with my friends, but I’ve been scared to plan for too many of the plot points because I was afraid to limit player choices. This made me realize I was afraid for nothing and I’m excited to get back to planning. Thanks Antonio!
Plot twist this video is about the importance of public transportation 🚋
I can't explain the intense joy these videos bring me - thank you so much for all the time and effort you pour into these vids, they make me cackle out loud every single time. I hope you have an absolutely wonderful day :)
Railroads ARE very important, especially in the dangerous wilds of DnD, anything could pop out at you!
I LOVE TRAINS
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"Players play their characters like water, they seek the path of least resistance. However, what the players really want is to go through a path that's anything but a straight. So your role as a DM is to set up hurdles so that the players can follow that path of least resistance, and at the end, the shape is as satisfying and pleasing as possible."
- Paraphrased from Brennan Lee Mulligan, on linear storytelling as a DM
Also commented this, and yeap. That played in a loop in my head this whole time.
*runs through every wall*
I’ve just learned that know plot survives first contact with the players. I just try to make sure there is a way to move forward, the way I would do it, but if their way makes sense then cool. I have my plot points on a notebook and by the time they get done with it it it looks like the arcane scribbling of a madman. My main goal is to make the world feel like it’s reacting to the players in the way that Skyrim doesn’t.
@@Belligerent_HeraldI went digital for my notes. It's still a mess.
Paradox choice is good because when you have 3 choices it's not a this is right this is wrong feeling.
I’ve been stressing about whether or not I’m railroading my players with my story, and I thought I was just covering up my restrictions by giving the illusion of choice. This video has helped me realize the difference between railroading and what I’m actually doing; telling a linear story. It’s a huge relief. Thank you, Mr. Demico. Thank you.
Same! I was so worried I was railroading until this video
Illusion of choice is what physical reality gives you anyway, no matter how rich and lucky at birth you may be. None of us is Zeus, at best we get an inhumanly large and unknown number options, but never truly infinite options. We wouldn't even know how to be truly limitless. To make a good game, you just need enough options and satisfying enough limitations to justify the smaller selection to trigger the same illusion.
What your doing is fine, your players will most likely enjoy it if done right. Just don't tell the internet or they will cry and say how your a horrible DM.
If you don't have a permanent DM character, and the party isn't doing that characters quest, and the DM isn't hooking up with players both in-game and IRL, and if the DM isn't secretly gaslighting a player about how everyone feels about their character, then you're probably good.
If you are "telling a story" you probably are railroading.
This was like therapy for me and my wife, who's currently DMing for us lol. She's always worried about "railroading" us, and it's completely unfounded. She's such a great storyteller, and we all love following her plothooks. This was exactly what we needed to watch!!!! 🙂 Thank you!!
The most fascinating linear story for me was definitely Brennan's calamity. I want to play DnD like THAT. But I don't even have a normal group so...
That's a great form of storytelling when you know how it ends, but the fun part is learning how everything led to that outcome. It's like how you know Titanic is going to sink by the end of the movie, but what you're here for is to see how it all happens. Similarly with EXU: Calamity, you know the Betrayer Gods are getting released, the question is how. Also that first hour of the final episode which represented literally only a second of in-universe time was *chef's kiss* 😘👌
Normal group? I can't find more than one person that's excited about playing
Thousand times YES!
Calamity is an absolute masterpiece.
You have to tailor it towards the group you have. Sometimes especially if it's newer players to many choices confuse them in my experience. Once they get there wings give them choices let them fly!
As a first time DM, I learned this the hard way. I was planning my first campaign (two years ago) and grew obsessed with avoiding railroading at all costs. What happened was that I created a sandbox type campaign and it couldn't be shittier both for me and my group. In time, I evolved it to be a multi-branch linear campaign and things started flowing so much better.
The core agreement between Player and DM is basically "We will create a story together."
Railroading is the DM going back on the deal while screaming "MY STORY MINE!!!" while Linear storytelling is the DM going "Ok for this story to unfold, this is the first plot point that the story must pass through. What's you're approach?"
The directing is the DM's while the acting is the players. It is movie making.
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Exactly. As the DM, it’s your responsibility to make sure there’s a story to interact with. Most of the time, the story in the game will mostly line up with what you planned. But the players are supposed to interact with it in their own way, finding their own solutions to the problems you designed. The mark of a good DM is designing a story open enough that your players can do something completely unexpected, that you didn’t at all intend, but you roll with it and still find a way to make it work with the intended plot. THAT is perfect D&D storytelling IMO.
@@justadude5868 So all DM's have to be both highly intelligent and very wise. Most will not meet those standards. Modules don't meet them either.
Right, we often talk about the responsibilities of the DM in this respect, but not that as players you should also be making some effort to engage with plot hooks too.
Its kind of a dick move to deliberately walk away from something your DM has prepared.
I’m happy that you brought up how stories can be linear, non linear, and sandbox at different times. It’s a tactic that I use a lot. In one campaign, the party started off on a pretty linear path, and once they got to the shadow king, he told them to go get stronger and come back for their next job once they have more skill and magic items. So now the players have to go around and find out where magic items are and the campaign turned into non-linear as they scoured the land for any ancient tombs or desecrated temples. I had stuff pre prepared, but they could get the items in any order they chose. In the next campaign I am running, the party is going to be plopped into a new strange world after a very brief (like 2 encounters) linear section. They will go on sandboxing for a level or two, and then will be noticed by the local factions, at which point it will turn into linear or non-linear (idk I don’t plan that far in advance) as they are introduced to the politics of the world and hints of the BBEG acting in the background (they will originally not appear important, as the factions they interact with do not know of the BBEG’s significance yet and are too busy politicking to notice a cult worshiping a dead witch king grow within their lands)
I have this strange dilemma where I always run linear storytelling, and get told by my players they don't like it because it's too sandbox.
H.... HOW???
I guess make the choices they have within the story way less frequent? Like no more choosing between buying 10 potions or buying a magic sword for the fighter, there is only a potion shop now.
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I feel for you, bro, though in my case me and my friends and I were on our first campaign, so me saying "OK here is a problem, do whatever you want to fix it" sometimes depending on the thing that they had to do, they did feel overwhelmed with choice, which is why they would consistently ask me what I think they should do.
@@GreviousGKoopaFor that case I'd say it is ok to limit the options on how to fix the thing, maybe detailing the thing helps to narrow the choices available.
It may also be they are just confused with the lack of specificity. It is difficult at first to determine how much your players understand (or pay attention to) the situation, so ask them if they get it.
As a new DM I knew this way of Dming was the one that I liked (and now my players are enjoying) but always read about how bad "railroading" was. I'm so happy to saw one of my favorites youtubers validate my DM style (not that it was neccesary but is really neat).
The thing you want to be careful about is "attempting to give illusions of choice". Starting at the back of a train and battling your way through challenges until you get to the front of the train is fine. Being told you can leave whenever you want, only to realize you're not allowed to and that you're on a moving train, that's what makes you feel railroaded.
Seriously who are you man. The amount of good will, free stuff and love you put out into the community is next level. Thanks so much for all your work. :-)
He is "Antonio Demico, and this is _Tip of the Hat"_
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I'm glad you pointed out the choice paralysis aspect. I as a DM can easily get too excited coming up with stuff like that and I regularly get disappointed once it's actually in front of the players because by overloading them with choices and information I didn't actually communicate clearly what the consequences of those choices are, or the players spend way to long deciding amongst themselves what to do because they feel like I've given them a test with a multiple choice question and only one correct choice.
Hat; don't burnout from all the content.
Take your time. We'll be here to enjoy it and support you!
This actually puts a few things into perspective. I like choices and consequences and I have been led to believe that sandboxes are my type of game. There was just one tiny problem with the genre; I rarely ever finished them, and the reasons are becoming more obvious. 1) I need goals to keep me interested. 2) I'm prone to choice paralysis. There have been times where my inability to decide what I wanted killed my interest in the game.
It's the reason why I can never play Minecraft (or any other sandbox) for too long. Some people can make their goals and enjoy games that way, whereas I prefer having a narrative to follow. I don't know if I have some kind of ADHD, but I am more likely to enjoy and finish a linear game than non-linear one. And now I know why. I thought sandbox was the solution... but I was wrong. Linear with choices is the soft spot for me.
I love a good train themed campaign
I don't know if it was on propose, but I love that the railroading example's DM is so stupid that he goes out of its way inventing insane excuses to impede the players when they weren't even necessary because all of the villagers are already unable to escape because of the forcefield. Talk about tunnel visioning
That's what happens when you make shit up on the spot to counter and roadblock your players instead of simply plotting out an internally consistent world and having it react accordingly to whatever the players try to do.
Something that Brennan Lee Mulligan talked about in the Game Masters of Exandria video, is that in a game with plot objectives you need to have rails, but it sucks for those rails to come from the GM, so what he talked about was doing in depth character creations because what your players give you is what the rails become, therefore granting this full degree of player agency while still having those rails in place. In that same video, Abria talked about how there were moments where Brennan guided her along a certain scene, but it didn't feel like a railroad, rather he gave her prompts to do what her character would do, so when he says something she didn't go "Oh, I guess this is where the plot is going" she went "Yeah, you're right, I don't hear that prophecy, FUCK THIS TREE!"
This is a good use of the "dynamic dungeon" approach I use. I helped a player create her character, and from the conversation we had while choosing spells, I had a good idea how they'd react to some things. So I put a few of those "hooks" into the dungeon. One of my favorites was a putrid fountain with treasure at the bottom, because I knew that player would enjoy using her magic to purify the water. Another was a cave behind a waterfall for a player who, out-of-game, had mentioned that "all games have at least one cave behind the waterfall". So I put a bunch of razorvine behind a waterfall because I knew he'd go there.
As someone who has recently started branching out into different systems (GOD I love you Blades in the Dark), D&D really *does* require a lot more railroading compared to certain other rules-light systems, mostly because of DM preparation.
When I'm DMing D&D, I need to have a *lot* of stuff prepared. I usually need battlemaps, if I want the party to fight certain enemies I'm gonna need a stat block for that enemy, I need to have a general idea of what they can *do* in this town, because all the scene-setting work in D&D is on you, the DM. If my players just decide "nah, we don't wanna help the goblins of the ancient forest this session, we're gonna head to that town south of the forest" and I didn't think to have at least *something* for that, I'm SoL and I need to either prep interesting things *real* quick or prepare for a very flat and uninteresting session.
With Blades, I do not need to do this. Blades is *meant* to be more sandboxy, which means that everything is set up so that I basically have to do no prep. There are no stat blocks (player rolls solve both the enemy and their actions, and they change depending on a bunch of factors), there is no over-arching plot you need to stick to, there's just a system of factions and a way for the players to find jobs to do *in the system*. You really don't need to plan these jobs at all, because Blades forgoes planning *even in game* and has characters retroactively plan their job through flashbacks when necessary.
When comparing Blades and D&D, it becomes *abundantly* clear just how much of D&D's session-to-session play is reliant on the GM at least 'trailroading' the players, showing them the path to follow and hoping to god they aren't just gonna be contrarian jerks and do something else. Blades, as a system, uses none of this, and requires the players to find their own fun in the world - that's not objectively *better*, mind you, but it's an example of how there *are* systems for non-linear, sandbox storytelling, and D&D just isn't it.
"We can't be friends because I'm not friends with people who are wrong." I'm using this from here on.
I've never seen such a polite and powerful sentence in my life.
That's kinda cringe, because being wrong and then understanding and correcting that are part of developing ones personality, so if you follow this path you're either delusional and/or stagnant.
I played all of the Dragon Age games + the DLCs for the first time this year and blew my mind how much agency the player has. Even decisions from past games effect the newer ones.
All the Dragon Age games are pretty good!
Yeah, I remember Brennan Lee Mulligan talking about this in his round table with Matt and Aabria. He likened it to irrigating a field, when the water wants to go in a straight line while the farmers want an appealing vista. The ‘story’ or ‘plot’ wants the path of least resistance, whereas the players want complex paths that the story would have to fight in its current form, meaning you as the architect must design a path to please both.
“You made the shape of a story, while trying to make it anything but.
Brennan put it so succinctly in that portion of the roundtable! I often find that some advice can be given and then doesn't work in specific ways that people expect. This brings to mind the "if you want something to have stakes, put a timer on it!". I've seen DMs do this and then be surprised/complain that their players only want to go save X NPC or get to Location Y in the allotted time instead of follow all these new, interesting plot hooks the DM is laying down. Like of course the players will go do the urgent thing; you said it was urgent!
I am constantly impressed by all of the media examples you use in these videos to support your points. It’s so fun to see the clips and art that help get the message across.
The first thing that came to mind with video games that mix linear and non-linear are the type with a main quest line and lots of side quests. Playing Assassin’s Creed where I can either progress the plot or go around beating up the towns and cities really made me enjoy the game.
I feel like this was a long way to say something like "if you want to play Curse of Strahd, you HAVE to go to Barovia," I heard that on Crispy's Tavern and he is a DM that prefers running linear games with tough combat so he often has alot to say when reading dnd horror stories that involve DMs getting accused of railroading when all they were doing was running a linear game. Still cool to hear a breakdown of these three narrative structures
The thing is though Curse of Strahd is non-linear at least from my experience, but it probably wouldn't be hard to make it linear. So no, I wouldn't say its just saying that.
What Crispy was talking about there was creating characters that can work in a party or central conceit of the campaign, which is also important.
I think the problem is that players forget that the DM needs to set the scene or else there is no game - I run sandbox games but to bring the party together you do need little bits of planned events at the start of a campaign to ensure your PCs meet one another and have a reason to adventure - the start of Curse of Strahd is a perfect example. Good players will lean into these moments - bad ones will just try to say no to everything because it's 'railroading' to expect them to actually engage with the game.
@shadenox8164 CoS is so non-linear the community had to MAKE UP a main quest just so the DMs didn't have to do it themselves. It's a wonderful setting book with plenty of sidequests but unless you have really precocious players it's impossible to get a fulfilling story if you run it as written
@@nehemiahsomers4141 we're playing COS at the moment and it's been a blast because we're a experienced group and know how to work with the DM and each other to get the most out of it. I can't imagine anyone running the game without some liner story to get the PCs to Ravenloft, and there's some great liner versions like Strahd Must Die Tonight and Curse of Strahd IN SPACE (my personal favourite!). What makes COS so fun is that the non-liner storytelling is baked into the DM instructions so it's never going to play out the same way twice... part of making it fun also relies upon players accepting that the settings will have some limitations on player freedom - eg you can't just planeshift your way out of Ravenloft or expect your wizard to have a good time in a Dark Sun campaign.
@@ether4211 whenever I play sandbox, the first session is usually linear, a little railroad-y even, just to bring people up to speed, set up a tone and so on. I mean, think of Skyrim. It literally starts with you on a cart about to be executed. You can't choose not to go and see the dragon attack the village. But after that, you're a free man, doing as he pleases. Nobody in their right mind would argue that Skyrim isn't a sandbox
I love that you're so self aware about the videos, honestly the best thing about this channel - and all the amazing work put into your homebrew that is FREE for heaven's sake - and gosh darn it one of the big things I love about TTRPGs is narrative; the story the DM is telling, sure, that can be primarily player driven, or completely sandbox but over all the narrative relies on the Dm's shaping of the world - I'm often confused by the idea that DMs should stop making linear stories or attempt to make player choice the absolute decider, because frankly, there are many players who want to star in their own fantasy story, and that needs a DM with a level of control over the story's direction, player choice can effect the people they meet, the battles they fight, and the ordeals they have to overcome, but at the end of the day a story cannot simply manifest from unrelated decisions
What is bad is when a DM allows the characters to make any decision they want and uses an open world to hide the fact the sandbox is fluff and the actual story is railroaded
Honestly this is one of the best videos that explains the difference between linear storytelling and railroading. Thanks once again for a stellar vid!
I have discovered you a few days ago and I'm already running out of your content. You and that familiar of yours are amazing. Keep up an amazing work! Your arts and illustrations are wonderful. Especially, the hat (you). All these expressions are so cute, and all the puns and jokes are just as good as everything else. I hope one day I'll see 500k and then a 1m (and beyond) subscribers here!
I've been using a lot of Linear Storytelling in my games recently. I've essentially broken it up into small, seemingly unconnected stories that are slowly building into something greater. These stories are short/small enough that they only take 2-3 sessions at most, but are also simple enough that player's still have agency on how to progress.
So far it's working out pretty well. I just gotta get past the BBG that is "Scheduling Issues".
I think railroading works better when you don't ask your players open ended "What do you want to do?" and ask more guiding questions like "You stand outside the necromancer tower, how did you prepare for this?". Talking while even scheduling a game "I'm excited about this dungeon crawl I made".
I've found myself with anxiety players, so providing them a syllabus with what we're doing and what I need from them helps a lot to get them confident in the game. And even without anxiety players, I'll ask at the end of the previous session "What mission would you like next?" or "what landmark on the hexmap would you like to head towards next session" and then have a week to craft a heist or pre roll some random travel tables or maybe even grab a couple props from the dollar store to hand out.
The main thing being to communicate with the players where their choices lay, which can be less about where they go and more about how they approach.
I have high anxiety. This idea is great, and I wish my DM did this in a campaign I was in. 👍
I 100% feel like a DND campaign feels empty without a main plot!
yup, i too feel that way. if i were randomly thrown into a sandbox campaign, id ask to leave 1 or 2 sessions in.
Depends on the style. I genuinely hate ironed-out stories, and I'm a forever DM. My games start with plot hooks, and write down what could become the plot of that hooks, but all can change depending on the vibe and on how the player want to interact with the world around them (it never works when, for example, I want to make a gunslinguing and high-risk high-reward story but the players want to play a safe and well planned story). If it works on your table, fine, but it's not better, it's just another approach
As a DM, I struggle to avoid the main plot thing because I love story. 🤷🏻♂️ I've always wanted to do a monster hunting campaign though ever since I played the Witcher 3. It's always been a big inspiration. Current campaign is inspired by a game of thrones/a song of ice and fire. It's heavily story driven and a high risk game. Combat isn't super common, but when it happens, it's dangerous, but I haven't killed anyone yet. Didn't mean to ramble, it just excites me. 😅🤣
I find that the emergent narrative that springs up from player interest and ingenuity is 100x better and more satisfying than the story the DM comes up with. Mostly because 1. Most DMs aren't professional writers or narrativists and therefore rely a ton on previous media and tropes which get ACHINGLY stale and predictable over time and 2. The combined imagination of the players molding a story out of a setting that isn't set to fit them creates solutions to problems that are excitingly unique and forces players to make use of their combined resources more often.
I think I'd have a better time dming if all of my regular players were actively paying attention and engaging in the story with a sandbox like that. I'm running a less regular game with much more traditional players that is more of a sandbox, and I'm having a great time considering they're more involved in every moment. I think any game just depends on full participation and undivided attention on both parts to have fun, no matter the type of game.
Final Fantasy VI and VII were beautiful examples of linear stories with lots of player choices throughout, including eventually sandbox world explorations.
ive played FF VI last year, that is a good example of D&D, and the game doesnt even have a main character, you could argue for three of them, and it be a totally valid argument
Never played D&D but here iam devouring all these videos.
Yeah... 😅 Consumed like 10 000 hours of D&D games, storytelling world-building... content and still haven't played a game yet. But worry not I know it's coming soon... Someday... Somewhen... 😅
As a first time DM I told my players I was running a guided story (Candlekeep Mysteries) and if they wanted to play they would have to go along with the adventure prompts. To me, this means if the plot requires them to help a King, they will accept the quest and in doing so start the adventure. How they go about the quest and the outcome of the quest will depend on their creativity and actions.
Running an entirely open sandbox world where you can do very little planning and have to react and improvise to every players whims sounds like an exhausting nightmare! How do you get to be creative? How do you introduce engaging NPC’s and challenge your players growth and development?
Great work as always Pointy Hat! Thanks for giving us this tip! 🙏🏻
Linear games are pre-prep, Sandbox games are post-prep. It requires more improvisation, but as long as you write down whatever an NPC say and do and canonize it after it happens, it's pretty much the same.
I'm a first time Game Master for my group and I've found myself waiting up for your videos because they are simply amazing and the information is PRICELESS. I was in the middle of tormenting myself with my last minute game prep when this video released and they're all so good!!!
Seriously, I started a pathfinder game recently, haven’t dm’d in a few years. Not ashamed to say these have livened up my story engagement.
I love linear story RPGs as the choices they offer are more meaningful within the context of the story and player character. There feels like a direction and purppse to them.
100% this. They are so much easier to guide, cater, and push things along. The characters having their joined stories and objectives along a major path and toward the next event is so powerful. Look at stories like Avatar, One Piece, Pokemon Legends Arceus, and Xenoblade. They are all linear with sequential wide open sections that make them freeing.
Keeping in enough linearity also helps the feeling of the GM as a *director* and moderator, helping provide the best aspects and moments catered to the players and characters.
So yeah I’m a big fan of this hybrid model of sequential narrative openness. They come in knowing where they are and where they’re going and what they generally want to do, with the story, choice, and action being based on *how* all of that happens.
So long as the players & DM can have fun it doesn't matter what storytelling method you use , and you can even mix and match .
In my experience, it is much more difficult to prepare for complete sandbox games and even in nonlinear stories it is harder to prepare dramatic events and foreshadowing the things properly. It is difficult as character arcs are often interrupted or interchanged with other plots. Players sometimes forget the cool things and naturally after 24 weeks break, some of the passion is lost in time and will need to be refreshed. That is how feelings work. Linear stories with choices aplenty is best for almost all tables in my experience. But I love monster of the week stuff too for a change of pace but my favorite is deep and dramatic long campaigns. I am a sucker for that and they are simply usually mostly linear. There might be sandboxy parts but the main narrative and story is linear.
Show me in the 1e DMG where it talks about foreshadowing.
I find this stuff really interesting. Personally I run mostly nonlinear/sandbox styles, but I absolutely recognize the value of linear games and do enjoy them. I also think it's a lot easier to prep for, as sandbox games can end up feeling like a loosely connected series of random encounters. And while that works wonders in some places, like in exploration or survival-style games, if you're trying to run an epic story-heavy campaign, it simply will never serve your needs
I TOOK THE FIRST STEPS TO GET INTO DND! I got the players hand book and going over it and will eventually make my character. I'm def going to review some of your character videos to give me an idea. I've been wanting to get into DND forever and you definitely sparked a lot more interest thanks to your amazing and funny vids. Congrats on your channel's speedy progress, I was here before 1mil, and will be here long after.
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NGL I think I needed to see this video. I’ve been putting together my next campaign with some new players and I’ve been trying to find the best storytelling method and talking myself out of doing linear storytelling because it feels “Railroady” meanwhile all of my other games have struggled from a lack of direction and purpose. So thanks, I was leaning this way and now you’ve affirmed the truth. Here’s to great campaigns!
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I really appreciate this video, thank you! I now have a solution for some of my players choice paralysis. I was worried about 'railroading', but giving a linear story(instead of nonlinear) before I try handing them a world sounds like a great solution.
First video of yours I've seen and you've already helped me a ton. Thank you!!
As I’m doing more one-shots recently, linear storytelling is my go to. I will often do a non-linear in the vein of “you got X places to go (and yeah, they will have more concise plots when you get there), but which do you want first?” Very much in the vein of the first Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. But why am I not in the trenches with you? Idk. I guess I’m not at the front. Just one of the fellas at home while you save the day!
TH-cam is listening to me. I am starting my first campaign as a DM and I was telling my players that it will likely be most liner and I give you some moments where the world becomes explorable and we had quite the conversation about this topic. I was able to sway them my way. Mostly after I cried and begged them not to force me to do a sandbox because it is more strain and soul drain than I need at the moment. Then I see this video, as always, love your work Antonio! :D
Story from the first campaign I ran. I made a mystery plot but after listening to people saying how railroading was bad I didn't put anything to send them towards the foreshadowing for the ending and they ended up skipping all of it because I didn't try hard enough to expose them to it. The ending twist completely fell flat and none of the players cared (It was also a problem of not learning what kind of campaign the table wanted and since I have made sessions more towards their interest with a small amount of railroaded foreshadowing for the twists and intrigue I like in storytelling to create a game everyone on the table enjoys)
Thanks for this video! I've only played, like, 3 1-shots in the last year but I've started DMing for my kids. I stumbled upon the non-liner to liner tactic, and it's worked out pretty well! I let my kids fumble around for a couple sessions doing encounters from Icepire Peak, then the big brothers of the guys they attacked all happen to be working for the BBEG who figures into the backstory of my 11-yr-old. It's like, I let them come up with the puzzle pieces, then I fit them together. PS, hearing my 6-yr-old daughter tell my wife, "Mommy, I melted a goblin's face off!" was a really cool dad moment.
Seeing as the entire point of playing D&D is to have fun, I think maintaining a certain minimum degree of linearity in every campaign is essential, because being the main characters in the sequential plot of an awesome story is fun. Wandering around aimlessly and doing random crap can also be fun sometimes, but that isn't exactly how most stories go, and for good reason. The key point is to let the players decide how they want to respond to any given event. As long as they always have at least a couple options and the freedom to propose new ones (even if they're really stupid), then it's fine.
For me, an ideal campaign (linear or otherwise) would have large amounts of character agency. (Which I will distinguish from player agency)
Characters have hopes and ambitions, and ultimately leave their mark in the plot. (Run the same module with a different group of characters, at it should give a different vibe.
For a sandbox, the characters goals simply become the plot. The DM just needs to plan appropriate obstacles.
I completely disagree that linearity is needed at all. What *is* needed, I think, is creating credible threats, antiparties, villains, etc, that whether the players get involved or not, will continue their march towards their goals. It doesn't matter if the players sit on their asses and cant think of anything to do, because the world will march on with or without them.
You're not telling a story though, It's a roleplaying game not a novel.
why do you equate not being railroaded with wandering around doing aimless crap?
First thing: love the videos. My kids and I watch them and love the content. As a new DM (for my family) I appreciate the recognition of linear story telling. I will always let them play with the storyline however they want but I want them to know there are objectives they can focus on and it helps them roleplay their characters. So like, thanks 😄
When I studied games design at university everyone would always argue that a linear narrative stripped players of their agency and I could never succinctly respond to them about how WRONG they were, but now I'll just send people this video! I love a good linear narrative, I love leaving breadcrumbs for people to follow in stories, and I also love people to feel like they have a choice and make an impact on the story. I ESPECIALLY love when all these things happen at the SAME TIME 👍
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One on traps and puzzles would be nice.
Master the Dungeon has amazing videos on traps and puzzles, it is kind of their main focus. Small channel too. Sometime in the mean time between Pointy Hat videos.
Thank you for this!
I (A new DM) recently ran a game where I was worried I was railroading my players, when in actuality it was just linear.
Going from the back of a train, battling through challenges to the front of the train is completely fine. Demon Slayer literally made an arc like that. What you want to be careful with is giving illusions of choice that you cannot keep, because being told you can get off at any point and then discovering you cannot is what makes you feel railroaded. Otherwise you're just having an adventure.
Hearing pointyhat talk about games like dragon age and their linear (with choice) storytelling along with his general fondness of dnd makes me wonder what he feels about Owlcat's Pathfinder game. I'd also like to add that I highly recommend them to anyone who hasn't played them; especially because they're on sale.
Great video! I've been looking at what Sly Flourish calls "yam-shaped" campaigns, where the beginning levels and the climax are more linear, but the middle part is more non-linear and open. I guess that's the classic BioWare model: you have the tutorial intro (usually with NPC companions that don't survive), then the first town/quest hub with the NPC recruitment missions and a few sidequests but one main objective. Then the setting opens up and you can do the 3-4 main quests in any order, before the game gets linear in the climax as you wrap up the main story.
Weirdly enough, one of my gripes with Inquisition is that I wish the areas quest arcs had a proper end point so that I knew when I finished an area.
I really love this video! I’m a fairly new DM, having only DMed like 5 times, but the whole time I was worried I was railroading because I wanted to keep important plot points and twists in the story, yet give them a fair amount of free reign on how to get from point A to point B. After each session I always ask if my players had a good time or if it was too structured, and they always reassure me they felt fully immersed in the story but still I worried. Seeing this video gave me the validation to tell myself that I’m doing what I should be doing. Thank you Mr.Pointy Hat!
I think one of the important things to remember is that even when you use linear storytelling, you don't have to make it feel linear to the players. For example, they may have three different NPCs they can reach out to for help. All three NPCs might suggest the same solution. You might THINK the noble, the thief and the clergy would have all given you different paths to tackle the problem, but it doesn't mean they would have. This is linear, but the players still have choice in how they approach the problem. It might even change some of the details of what happens or why, but it could lead to the same situation, the same puzzle, the same combat, etc. The one really big thing to avoid is making the players feel like they don't have any choice. In highly-linear story situations, it's important to both discuss the linearity of the campaign with the players, but also to ensure that their characters are sufficiently motivated so that the linear path would definitely be the one they take. A discharged knight of the kingdom who seeks to earn back her rank will take up arms to defend the cities and villages, especially if those in office can't. The sorcerer whose brother was killed by the BBEG will stop at nothing to get revenge. The Life cleric must purge the undead menace because the BBEG is a necromancer. They stole something from the Rogue and now the rogue has to defeat them and get it back or they can never return to their order. If a player's character does not have a baked-in reason to be motivated to tackle the campaign and follow the adventurer's path, then it's the player's responsibility to figure out why they're motivated, even if it's just that they're really chill with whatever and like these random goobers they met.
In a couple of days, I’m planning to DM my first session by running an adventure from one of the D&D modules, and railroading has been a reoccurring fear in the back of my head since I plan to stay true to the book. This explanation has taken a lot of that weight, and I can’t thank you enough, Pointy Hat. Much appreciated!
I think this whole video can be boiled down to “Don’t be an asshole”.
On the one hand the DM shouldnt be an asshole by forcing the players to play their game.
On the other the players shouldnt be an asshole by using “player choice” to do whatever random thing the feel like at the moment just to fuck with the DM or satisfy some momentary urge rather than engaging with the rest of the party or the DM
Having read some of the comments on this discussion I see so many takes that want the DM to be a lapdog that tends to all of the player's whims it's so bad. TTRPGs are supposed to be collaborative. Make the bare minimum effort to *collaborate* with your DM.
Probably my favorite video of yours so far! Very well done, I love having the proper terminology at my disposal to use in discourse!
I've always just used railroading more like that older meaning, I didn't even know the meaning had changed I thought people were just using it wrong.
Would love more content like this. Your D&D-focused stuff is good, but as someone who GMs other systems, having general insights on building narratives is really neat.
Sabía que eras español, pero para nada me esperaba que vivieses en Tenerife, saludos desde Lanzarote. Disfruto mucho de tus vídeos, sigue así. Sobretodo por tu increíble nivel de inglés, tengo curiosidad ya que voy a estudiar filología inglesa, tú también lo has estudiado o simplemente has vivido anteriormente en un entorno en el que se hable mucho inglés?
No he estudiado filología ni he vivido en un país de habla inglesa!
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@@pointyhatstudios bua, pues tienes un nivel de inglés increíble
My best campaign experiences as a DM, homebrew or official module, has been through linear storytelling. Specifically, I go by a consequence system, with "consequence" being morally neutral. There's the overall storyline happening around the players, and there are hooks dangled in front of them to participate in them, but my players have the agency to do anything they want (which is 90% of our content). If they don't take the hooks, stuff happens even without them there, affecting what they encounter later. Everyone loves it, and it feels like true RP.
Wonderful video, keep it up!
I run entire sandbox games. I let the players write the story and react to their decisions.
Your city looks adorable! Really, such a good vibe in there.
About linear/nonlinear narratives... I do think that your example of mixed parts is great!
Thanks for your videos.
Ah, yes the "Linear = bad" phase video games went through.
Right up there with "Boss Fights = bad" and "Japanese =bad".
Good times.
People must hate Dark Souls then
I just want linear games back. I’m genuinely getting tired of everything becoming open world
wait, video games went through a "boss fights=bad" phase? can you give an example? (i'm not trying to start a fight/debate, sorry if i gave that vibe, I just want more context)
There was a "boss fight bad" phase? Also I heard more people complaining about how bad western games in comparison to Japanese ones (mostly from people who are way too horny for anime girls).
@@kchgamer1788 same. I'm sick of those.
You're a great TH-camr not because of the free stuff (which is amazing), but because of your heart. Thanks for another fun video and helping me feel more confident about my linear stories!
As a DM who very much prefers linear storytelling, this is really uplifting. SO MUCH bad feels from all the people attacking that style of play, this is great. Thanks
Another great video! Pointy Hat always has insightful, clever, and creative things to say about the topics he chooses. This is now my favorite DND channel!
The im alone at trenches got me so hard. Me encantan tus videos! Muchas gracias por tu trabajo!
I'm actually really happy to see this exact topic being discussed in such a clear and defined way. I've been struggling trying to come up with something of a plot to try running a game for friends but I would constantly feel like I was painting myself into the corner of railroading just by having a loose handful of plot points so I had a coherent story as the background for what is happening. Having this very clearly defined difference between a linear story and railroading will help me avoid those "Oh no I'm just railroading them" thoughts.
This is exactly what I needed to hear! Thanks. I just found my new favorite channel. Keep it up!
When I gm, I like to have linear branching narratives around a central theme, and when the players have moments of brevity between those points, I open up the sandbox and redirect with non linear narratives if necessary to return the players to that linear story. I guess what I'm really saying is that you've railroaded my love for this channel and I can't thank you enough for the happiness it brings me in watching your videos
As always, great content my dude! I definitely also hate railroading and similar "DM Power Abuse" scenarios where "oh I know I split the party, but now you suddenly need each other, so POOF! the cleric's good just teleported you back together" or whatever... it just doesn't feel right... Keep up the good work though!
I love your videos! The main storyline is more linear but what they do, between the events is more of Sandbox
I loved that this video focused on Game Theory!!! I'm not in enough spheres or online circles to talk in favor of linear plots, but I miss the focus on having those! I just need to start getting back into those with my dnd games. Thank you as always!🎉
The thing that I like most about linear narrative is that you can include foreshadowing in a way that makes the story feels much more satisfying
When your table has that "yes and" approach to the story, it works so well... But when you're in a group of contrarians, that extract pleasure to frustrate the DM plans, it could be a really bad experience.
The true free gift at the end was the gift of perspective and understanding
I enjoyed this video. My best friend is running a couple of games at the minute. One was a straightforward dungeon crawl, fairly linear the other was sandbox. Frostmaiden I think. The frostmaiden group really struggled because they didn’t know what to do, argued about what they should do and got frustrated with the DM’s and each other. And they’d asked to play sandbox style. My friend vents at me on discord all time. His latest one is how they keep missing obvious clues.
I needed this video so bad! Our DM is new and has been trying to run a sandbox type game, but due to inexperience has actually been railroading us through his own behind the scenes narrative. Maybe this video can help us all see the light of linear storytelling.
I’m glad to see you championing linear storytelling as a good option - and differentiating it from railroading.
I really enjoy and appreciate your advice. I think that you'd be a really fun guy to have as a DM (it also doesn't hurt that you're adorable in personality and looks) LOL Take care of yourself and keep creating!
This is such a good video that i think tons more people need to see. So many problems in the digital age are caused by people just not understanding or having misconceptions of things.
Also I love how this ties to video games like Breath of the Wild which I have heard people herald as one of the best sandbox games of all time, even though it isn't one.
I love your content! Thanks for putting so much effort in to keeping the hobby space positive and wonderful!
Honestly, I'm always happy to see my players having creative ideas and outsmart the situation in which I placed them
Love your take on this. I would enjoy more videos like this from you as well as all you usual content!
YES, THANK YOU! Also, thank you for giving more perspective and permission to linear story telling
Me and the other DMs in our group (I know, our group has 3 DMs, we are blessed), we have a routine whereby in between archs/quests we will have a role play heavy session or two where the party recovers from the last quest line and figure out information for what to do next. During these sessions we are given two or three choices and we choose which direction we want to go, therefore starting a new linear quest.
I love this model. It provides change, choice, and player agency, while then giving the DM direction for the future sessions.
When my friends and I were trying D&D for the first time, after a short easy game to dip our toes in, we were going to start an open-world campaign in which we could get the several MacGuffins in any order we wanted. However... It went so wrong after the first dungeon and entered the world for the first time. Another player and I were trying so hard to do damage control...
But then one player had to bow out temporarily, and we didn't want to continue our big homebrew campaign without them, so we started to play the much more linear, railroad-y Humblewood.
That was the best choice ever.
As we, beginner players who barely played for 2 months, continued with the game, we got experience, we got better at roleplaying, and I lost my title of a wallflower and became one of the most passionate roleplayers that I straight-up voice act my characters and even bought a voice mod.
If you are introducing a group of players that 5/6 of them have only played one short game to a D&D campaign, I HIGHLY suggest a linear campaign for them. We are now finally playing our first open-world campaign, and we are doing SO much better than our first one. All thanks to earning experience through a linear storytelling campaign.
My dude thank you SO MUCH for giving me the terms to articulate this to my players!
I like the points you make about choice paralysis. To be honest, if I get to that point I am happy because that means I have extra content for players to enjoy. The trick is to recognize is to stop yourself from giving them too much.
omg! This put into words how I was feeling about a dnd game I'm in! I always play a few different games at the same time and for some reason I couldn't put into words why my new game just isn't fitting my play style. It's a sandbox, but also it feels railroading since there is plot points the dm is trying to get us too, so it just feels like the gaming styles are crashing into eachother instead of helping each other.
This is an amazing video!!
Man, I really enjoy your videos! You seems like a really nice person
God thank you for this. Words mean things! Also just generally love seeing a new vid from you
Thank you for this video. I am a DM in one campaign and a player in another. I learn a lot from the DM in the other game and sometimes wonder if i should pursue a more linear narrative since i am so bad at emotional payoff, at least in my pov. Yet my group loves making the small choices for character flavour and they don't mind me giving them the next destination and not offering a bunch of choice. I think this is more sandbox style. As a panster writer it is less time consuming to prep since its only when the session ends that i can effectively make up material for the next session (while having furure destinations float in my head for when i see an opportunity to drop hints if a character does something unexpected). My players are enjoying whats happening so far so i am focusing on my weakness - combat - instead of trying to fix something that isnt broken.
I am fortunate to be blessed with players with whom my DMing style suits. I like sandboxing as a scatterbrained DM but largely prefer linear as a player.
For context, my "sandbox" campaign (which had elements of linear) is tomb of annihilation but heavily modified with a bunch of homebrew stuff tossed in as i see fit.
I'm currently running my first homebrew campaign and let me tell you, linear storytelling has done wondors for me. It makes things very easy to track for both me and my players (who are also new) and let's me guide them towards significant choices I have planned in the story we are telling. Making them feel like they're contributing to and making a difference in the story while also allowing me to prepare for whatever they choose to do ahead of time. All in all it's still really enjoyable for everyone and makes DMing alot less of a headache than I was anticipating :)
SABIA QUE ERAS ESPAÑOL!!! Buenas paisano! Just love your vids, i´ve watching them for quite some time now, because my fiancee and I are going to start DMing and you are helping me dearly. Thanks lots!!!
The DM has the authority to make the next session a heist.
The players have the agency to decide if the theme music for the heist is Mission Impossible, or Benny Hill.
I’ve been coming up with a lot of stuff for a campaign I wanna run in a while with my friends, but I’ve been scared to plan for too many of the plot points because I was afraid to limit player choices. This made me realize I was afraid for nothing and I’m excited to get back to planning. Thanks Antonio!