Legal migrants have to pay additional tax to have access to said healthcare and its simply incorrect that they are eligible for "most benefits". They first need permanent residence status or citizenship, of which can take at least 5 years to process.
Not in my own personal experience working with migrants. They have a small army of consultants to support and advise how the system works and what can they claim immediately and they do.
@@markfrancis5164 Have you ever moved abroad or gone through the process of applying for a work visa yourself? I can assure you, outside of a single migration agent, which is standard practice, no one is provided a "small army" of consultants. But lets assume you are correct and you know all the intricate details. What are these migrants you know claiming specifically?
There needs to be some sort of national service (not necessarily the military). The people who aren't working are not all medically unable to work so they should be doing things to help society. They can do easy jobs like cleaning up streets, maintaining woods, and many other tasks that need doing in society
Maybe get retirees to do it for a pension top up, get some fresh air and exercise and meet some like minded people to complain about everything and talk about the good old days .
Of which 3.5 million are over 50 and either ill or taken early retirement. 1.1 million are careers doing care work and not being paid for it. 2.1 million are students studying as opposed to working. 1.1 million are sick (see broken NHS and bad handling of the pandemic) Etc etc The real unemployment rate i.e. people actually looking for work or in between work is 1.5 million, made up of people either unqualified for the jobs available in the economy or natural flow of people between jobs and likely to land a job in the near term. And unless you want to force ppl to do jobs they don't want to do or aren't qualified to do then we will need foreigners, because I don't fancy having surgery or legal advice by a person who isn't qualified and doesn't want to be there. It took me all of one minute to look this info up and dispell your bs.
People also ask What is the story of the frog and the boiling water? The boiling frog is an apologue describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. Apply this model to immigration 😮
lol almost every right winger says it's economic. Also, culture changes all the time. The world 100 years ago is far from today's milieu. Resisting cultural changes is futile.
The ‘migration is a solution to an aging population’ is bit naive. It’s just kicking the can down the road as those people will grow old too. Given that only 15% of migrants are skilled, that’s an awful lot of unskilled labour entering the workforce that will need to be looked after later on…
Kicking the can is exactly what they are doing. That is literally the point of immigration. Ability to tax intergenerationally and solve long run finance issues in the economy. Put another way, most immigrants work in roles where there are shortfalls in the economy - i.e. locals aren't qualified to do them - and then importantly have kids who in one generation are out achieving locals. Every study shows this. So gov can tax them down the line. They more than pay for themselves and others with their higher earning taxes. Again just look at the data, it is absolutely clear on that.
@@paulbo9033 Intergenerational taxes should be illegal. The government shouldn't even have the ability to go into debt. Retirement should be entirely in the hands of the worker. Putting a part of your earnings in a stable index fund like the S&P 500 can allow any worker to retire as a millionaire.
Britain has not made a fiscal surplus for the last 24 years. We have had high net immigration for more than a decade but it does not seem to be improving Britain's finances
@@tip00former1 There was NO net inflow after public spending. The hole every year was filled by borrowing. We had to borrow even during Tory austerity though to be fair in our best year we only had to borrow 700 million which in the scheme of countries financials is close to zero. I doubt 'corruption' as internally we are not dealing with cash and the civil service is well paid with a fantastic pension that would be stupid to loose. It would be easy to trace all transactions. But keep coping with your blame game. Are you out of touch enough to think we can compete with China? That Britain will become Great Again?
@@xtc2v I think what most people mean when they refer to corruption in the UK is entirely legal corruption. Exploiting loopholes, preferential treatment in business, huge PFI.
UK politicians have never sold the concept of immigration as a positive though. Indeed, during the last two decades, both main parties have promised lower immigration in their manifestos - but then delivered the opposite in government. So this can also be seen as a failure in democracy - where the public do not get what they’ve voted for. We shouldn’t be surprised that voter turnout is at an all time low, and discontent with politicians extremely high. Politicians must either sell the positive qualities of immigration, or cut numbers down as per manifesto promises.
Politicization of Immigration should be shunned but it provides a great cover for deeper and more real problems in the Economy of any country. Every country, that has issues like stagnant wages, skyrocketing housing prices tends to use immigration as a bogeyman.
You should investigate the Danish number more; it's not some random study; the government itself is behind it. They have a long report that discusses the problems and benefits of migration and the numbers, then breaks down where the immigrants come from in detail.
@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 They did, but it was just some time ago. They were among the first to open their doors and became a bit of a laughingstock from the other Nordics. So, they have some of the most extensive experience in dealing with immigration problems. Instead of trying to sweep it under the rug like the Swedes, they openly discussed these issues and came to the conclusion that immigrants outside the EU are not worth it.
@@stefnirkOpenly discussed? You mean they voted for the Danish People's Party - a thinly veiled neo nazi group which was included in a coalition government. They enacted a law to forcibly sell jewelry and other valuables of refugees to 'fund' their integration. How appalling. This is not a country to emulate. Ultimately immigration is about finding a solution for Europeans who have no desire to have children - it is not a purely humanitarian gesture. Corporations need workers and whether native populations want it or not - governments will be forced to allow immigration. Otherwise the welfare state will collapse.
They have had a very right wing government for many decades now. They are now planning to force migrants out of certain parts of the cities wwre they might have lived for decades. Sweden and Finnland have seen a shift to a more right wing government too. While Germany, France and Spain anf UK, Poland shifted to the left in its last national over the past 3 years elections.
We need migrants because of a lack of productivity gains which is circular because as you increase low skilled immigration productivity falls. If employers have access to cheap and plentiful labour they be less likely to invest in new technology that increases productivity.
I recall the mass immigration from Eastern Europe. Hundreds of thousands of people came to work in our economy. They undercut the wages of Indigenous workers and lowered our wages through their competition. They also saved their money, did not spend it here and sent it back to their home country. They therefore had a very negative effect on the workforce here, although those who used their services did make some savings. The overall effect was negative and caused the Brexit vote. Conclusion: immigration must be handled very carefully if it is to benefit our economy.
Great content! What surprises me is why no economic experts talk about the billions spent on unnecessary wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Ukrain، etc etc. Wouldn't it have been better to spend that money within the country?
That & at least 30 years of under building housing (houses & flats) for the population. Conservatives, Labour & Libs all played a part of this. We've built under 50% of the expected housing every year for 30+ years so no wonder we have such a housing issue with record high prices & rent and now normal interest rates which creates a terrible storm
@vorong2ru Protecting from whom? There was a peace deal just two weeks after the war began, but Joe Biden rejected it. Then, the USA started selling gas to Europe at 4 times the market price. How can you compete with China when you're buying gas at such a high price?
@@vorong2ru we've kinda put a target on ourselves by supporting Ukraine in the war if Russia goes all out (uses nukes). I understand & can see that former USSR states / countries would be the main initial targets if Russia beat Ukraine from the beginning but the UK genuinely was never a threat nor did we have much interest to the Russians until we had a large influence in this war via rejecting peace tks for Ukraine & arming them.
Why for instance, there be a shortage of say Fruit Pickers, when we have numerous thousands sitting in hotel rooms etc, who could be picking fruit etc and probably a lot of them would be only to happy, surely to be doing this. At least it would show who wanted to actually work and not just arriving, with their hand out?
@@boombox2661 East Europeans, what big corporations are you talking about? There is a minimum wage in the UK, the same as what I am on. Do you work, or one of the nine million inactive with your hand out, like lots are, I would rather be working, picking fruit, brushing the streets, or removing graffiti than sitting around all day doing nothing, with my hand out, we have enough of them already.
@@brianevans2819 i am a tradesman. I run my own company in the UK. I am hoping for the best and prepared for the worst. It is not going to end well. The UK if on Its way down big time. Get out of debt and prepare for a financial depression. Best of luck 🤞🏻
Why are students bring dependants? Surely its not normal for a student generally a young person to bring their family to uni? Imagine a brit turning up to freshers with their family how weird.
Okay it's like this - I am an immigrant considering which country I want to go and study in. I am a Masters in Ai, a strategically important tech/sector, and I want to do a PhD. I know there is a massive skills shortage in my field so organisations and economies are literally in competition for my talent. I am also willing to spend £30k on this study which the uni sector needs as a source of income, and Im in a category that tends to spend in the local economy propping up local jobs. While I do my PhD I won't be doing much paid work, and I have a wife who earns the average salary of £34k but she isn't the one doing the PhD so if she moves with me she is dependent on me until she can get a job in the new country (assuming the new country allows her to work and that she earns the average local salary which ironically is not enough to meet the immigration threshold as a non-dependent). Im in demand so it's simple, I go to whichever country is the least deluded about the competition for global talent that is taking place. I go to where said country understands the above and allows for dependents so I don't have to be split up from my husband. And if Britain doesn't understand, I shrug my shoulders and say, good luck with meeting your future skills needs, economic needs, and paying your pensions without talent you can't otherwise get, I will just go to Germany, or Finland, or Netherlands where they will allow me to bring my wife and kids if I had one. In short, Britain needs to get over itself. People like me are in demand for good reason and have choices, Britain needs to wake up before it finds itself hopelessly unprepared for future challenges because it was too short sighted and racist to let talent in that would have solved future problems. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
Because they see this platform or route. And, the unis survive onthis . This has been stopped for good or bad. Now only Phds and some grads with research module can bring dependents. Core of the problem is Britain's declining population growth since 70s. Britain managed this with many inflows of Immigration and to some extent is addicted to it. Migrants are also consumers, home buyers etc again for good or bad I don't know.
@@paulbo9033or scenario 2, they get a student visa to a fictitious school and then disappear to work cash jobs in a pub or nail bar. All for legal immigration where people contribute to society and the state.
@@user-fv1576 the numbers of ppl doing this are extremely low though. You can't base policy on edge cases. Restricting the bulk of much needed immigration because of a few ppl at the margins is idiotic in the extreme
The thing is, regardless of race or religion I would be wanting to see something being done to stop hundreds of thousands of unemployed and mostly young MEN coming to this country. It's an obvious recipe for social disaster. The real problem is almost being ignored because it's been turned into a race and religion argument.
hundreds of thousands of unemployed men ? most have visas and are here legally to do jobs you don't want to do, illegal migration makes up less than 10% of the overall figure
This is all starting to look rather criminal by the last Govt: the initial estimated budgets for asylum, border, visa and passport operations was £320m for 3yrs: they spent £7.9bn!!! Apparently the game was to massively underestimate for political reasons and then to constantly top up from Treasury reserves (which is why the year’s reserves had gone by June!).
As an immigrant myself, I have often said immigration isn’t an issue economically . The issue I do see with it is more of a social issue with crime and integration among some communities.
Also someone coming here who ends up working in McDonalds or Tesco is a crazy situation, they get paid the minimum wage and can just about survive. Then the government has to pay them benefits to help them.
3:50 the wages obviously decrease due to migration, why else would they put up the wages of "skilled immigration" 100% below the real market rate? I think that wage for actuaries were set at some 28K !!!! In fact, the cost of living arbitrage and work visa commisions is currently the most lucrtive industry, and it has been since at least 2008, mostly through lobbying and private equity "cost reductions".
Well considering a lot of them are students that's hardly surprising. As for those here on work visas, I presume you have a credible source to back this up?
@@tomc.2808 dear friend - do you have a credible source to back up what you're saying, or are you just making generalisations based on your own (very limited) experiences? Also, why does it even matter? Everyone has to start somewhere.
@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx He is absolutely right about Britiah Bangladeshis. They are the least economically active of any ethnic geoup in the UK. I think you ahould reflect on why you dismissed this wthout any evidence or a second thought. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bangladeshis#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DIn_2021%2C_Bangladeshis_were_the%2C24%25_of_White_British_women.?wprov=sfla1
@@scobeyrowley5115 I lived in Tower Hamlets, huge Bangladeshi community, you will hardly ever see a boarded up shop unlike white suburbs. They open a phenemenol number of businesses. My perception is that they are hard working.
Very informative and a sensible way to discuss benefits and disadvantages of each type of immigration. I’m sure the vast majority of people don’t realise that asylum seekers are dwarfed by people and their families coming to the uk on student or work visas.
My wife herself is a immigrant and I recently learnt that a lot of people from India are selling their student dependacy visa to others and there are companies dedicated to helping fake the documents to do it. So its apt that this is from a economics channel lol
You don't work at the Home Office, obviously. So, there's a big gap between what you've heard and what actually happens in the real world. #JustGetReal
You make a fallacy on some of your points. With the point about wage suppression you claim that an increase of people does not necessarily make wages drop as there is an increase in demand and thus it will even itself out but on you point about the NHS waiting lists you claim without immigration the NHS would have a lot more vacancies without making the connection that they need those extra staff as immigration pushes up the number of people who need to access the NHS
Wages aren't an issue you can be making 1000 pounds a day if the purchasing power is shit what is the point immigration and open borders is good if there is no access to welfare because it increases possible consumers possible entrepreneurs removing tarrifs removing import taxes and increasing business freedom these 3 reduce prices and increase international value of your reserved currency and how much the currency is worth I realized the only logical position is open borders and more lower government in fact private health care with extreme deregulation would be a fuck tonne cheaper
@@tysolbohan6446 I agree, it’s laughable when people say we have a free health service. Taxpayers are paying many thousands ever year for this so called free health service ….. and it’s really shit
The small UK is never more than only 70 miles from the sea. with an under estimated population of 69,182,205 as of Friday, August 9, 2024, based on Worldometer's elaboration of the latest United Nations data. You could say too many for the weak old infrastructures to cope. We will soon if not already overwhelmed. Our kids can't afford housing and most people have no money, so how can immigrants without benefits afford to live here. The UK has become unrecognisable from 20-30 years ago not for the better. Seems like something very strange going on from a global standpoint with net zero and the whole dysfunctional controlled system. Am I going to be arrested?
1. Because most immigrants are economic and pay their way so don't need benefits, this is tracked data so just look it up to verify for yourself. 2. The problems you identified are made worse without immigration, not better. E.g. the gov chose not to build houses for 30 years and privatise everything, that's a policy decision with absolutely nothing to do with immigrants. But now to improve availability of housing you need to dramatically build, for which you will need to finance the house building and for that you need future tax receipts by increasing the number of tax payers and higher rate tax payers. This can only be done via immigration because Britains birth rate has flat lined and is not going to pick up again.
No; but neither are you going to be taken seriously, with a comment like this. Imagine somebody who hasn't seen the about our new rivers of poo being caused by the grift of the privatised water companies, or that the Conservatives reduced public spending by half, as well as giving millions to their banker diners in the city in subsidies. Whereas they cut salaries and pensions for doctors and nurses. What might they think? #JustAsking
@@paulbo9033 You are describing a Ponzi scheme Policy to bail out a failed monetary corrupted control system, NHS, and state pension are all bankrupt. A failed system that's kicking the can down the road all built on debt and keeping people in it under control, trying to be bailed out by unregulated unskilled immigration. If we had a points based system for immigration to choose the skills we needed and not take in Any/all people, mostly males that chuck their passports away that come over from safe France leaving their own country to fail. UK has less skilled jobs available now as we have lost our manufacturers to china and the jobs left are mostly service industry, gig, unskilled and with minimum wage poor pay on zero hours contract and will only get worse due to AI. Take a look at the German crashing economy that was the EU power house. In a democracy people voted to leave the EU and not to be run by a world globalist socialist war hungry order introduced by the USA after WWII to fill a power vacuum and to keep the so called peace. Democracy was overwhelming overruled by the left wing elites in USA and the global left wing elites worldwide order that couldn't except a democracy, so we now live in a more crony dictatorship as we always have. House prices have increased along with all asset prices with the unlimited supply of cheap debt by banks that create it out of nothing pushing up prices. Not backed by anything causing inflation that is stealing our wealth. All bailed out by taxpayers after it all collapsed in 2008 and never recovered. The birth rate in the UK has decreased in the UK because most tax paying families can't afford kids, both parents need to go out to work all day every day and they need to pay for child care. Most of the young people don't want kids and are not starting a family because they can't afford a house so spend on having a good time and live at home with their parents. The wrong type of non tax paying people, benefit claimants are having kids and not paying for housing. Back in the 60's you could afford a house on 3 times one wage and in 1930's USA The median annual pay during the Great Depression was 22% of the cost of an average home. Today's it's 14%. That means that pay relative to home cost made it easier to buy a home during the Great Depression than right now. But don't want to argue, just wait and see what is going to unfold. People have had enough and are skint.
@@paulbo9033 so according to you we need more immigrants because of immigrants. Well it's now a proven fact that immigrants are a net drain on our economy because not everyone who comes here is an engineer believe it or not
This is a balanced and timely video; just two points of consistency. Early on you say that more migration (supply) increases demand (economic growth). Later you show that GDP has remained stagnant. So it really is a case of increased supply and that as a country the strategy seems to be competitive by reducing our cost base. The 2nd observation is that the impact on wages should focus on the poorest decile who are impacted most. you mention this but it needs more investigating. overall, when you combine lower wages, higher rent, and longer waiting for health care, there is a reason to worry about the poorest in our country.
A problem with this video is how you keep using averages and generalisations to smooth over the issue. As you admitted the wage depreciation on lower skilled workers is higher at 2%, that with a target inflation of 4% means they need to argue for at least a 4% pay increase year-on-year just to keep up, which isn't easy. I wouldn't be surprised if the 1% increase in net migration causing 1-2% increase in housing prices is heavily weighted to lower-end housing. Meaning as always the poor get hit harder. Combine this over the last 2 & 1/2 decades and it is very clearly a serious issue keeping millions poor in the country, just because the effects are small in one year doesn't mean they are small at all over 24 years and counting. People are fed up of others telling them they "wouldn't want to do those jobs" when the reason they don't do those jobs is because instead of paying a fair wage they import cheaper labour from abroad and then make them compete for housing. Reforms idea of net zero migration (with an exception for healthcare workers) is a no brainer.
immigration leads to higher inflation for everything! food, rents, utilities etc. That is because their is a time lag between usage (days) and new supply coming on to the market (years) for when they come
How can people who live on an island like the UK believe that importing more people and increasing their population forever has no limit? It’s like filling your petrol tank and then continuing to pump as the fuel runs down the quarter panel. I realise the island is not quite full yet, but what is the future plan when you are full?
Wait till you find out about flat lining birth rates and the concepts of death rates and emigration. In short because of these factors we literally can and will need to have immigration forever. Deal with it.
@@stanrixWhere are you getting your facts from? The UK is not nearly full, and reproduction declines and we are not getting younger. Don't listen to populists.
Interesting video and more facts Firstly, the UK has been below replacement fertility since the mid 1970s, yet despite this a rising population on the 3rd or 4th highest foreign born population after Germany and the United States. Another fact, this means the UK also has the world's most cosmopolitan or largest nominal foreign born population of any city, London. Correlation and causation perhaps , isn't legal skilled/non skilled immigration helpful for London , to thrive as one of the largest city economies in the world whilst maintaining a large UK economy?A final fact, projections are UK becoming the most populous country in Europe by the mid 21st century(excluding Turkey and Russia partly outside Europe)!🎉
A very interesting video, sir. However, I noticed one thing not mentioned: nearly all working migrants which I know send money earned home to their families - understandably. So at say, £100 per week per migrant, this represents a huge amount of money leaving the economy each week. Native workers would spend such money largely in the UK economy.
I have a counter argument that a lot of working migrants bring their life savings into this country. A lot of working immigrants don’t bring their aging parents either. So until a study is done and reliable statistics shown, I don’t think it’s conclusive.
@@BillyChuckThe21st Yes, that can be the case, although the life savings of one could be huge whilst the life savings if another could be miniscule. I know some migrants take what they have made in England and return home to buy a house for cash. Would that English people could save for three to five years and then buy a house.
@@peterbarkworth951 some do, but how is that negatively affecting the UK economy? I don’t think foreign workers not buying a house here is a bad thing, workers return home after they have done their job sounds a pretty ideal situation, you can’t expect them to leave the country without their lawful earnings.
@@BillyChuckThe21st Good luck to those workers; they have earned the money and can enjoy. Sadly, English workers have to compete for the jobs and unless, they want to take their money to Romania or Poland, they must pay high house prices or rents: rents pushed up by extra demand caused by immigration.
While it's possible to compensate essential workers by immigrants, doing so makes native people be reluctant to start their careers as essential workers. Imagine starting cattle farming when the government puts no restriction on importing beefs from, say, Brazil, USA or Canada. When there is guaranteed arbitrary supply or importing cheap products, nobody wants to become a supplier.
General question: You mentioned 1% immigration raises housing prices by 1%. Is this the same for house prices in terms of both buying and renting? I feel like it would have a higher effect on rent, which I think has risen more than buying prices (but I don't have the stats). The reason I ask is it makes the most sense that new immigrants, especially from third countries, may not have the right to buy a home if they are on a short visa, the income to buy it or even the will. Many immigrants from the EU for the first couple of years don't know whether or they even wanted to buy a house because they weren't sure they wanted to stay. Anyways, for at least those reasons, my gut tells me that the price increase would be much more significant in the renting sector. Thank you.
they always say in these films that immigration does not affect wages and housing costs, and repeat all that "highly skilled" trope, which makes little sense if you think logically.
Pushing rents and housing cost the most are tourists. They can afford to pay a grand a week for a flat or even more. The longer migrants stay the longer they are working and migrants do make up a huge share of construction workers.
This is a very thoughtful analysis from an economic lens, concluding there are pros & cons to the economy of current migration in th UK. However people are migrating into a union of 4 nations that live by a culture that is their identity. The price of chips is not an identity, natives and migrants are not cultural commodities. So I presume you ignored the real question, provided a credible substitute answer for some other more interesting purpose.
The average price first-time buyer paid in 2023 was £288,136. Given that 1% sudden increase of population increases houseprices by 2%, the 15% deposit to buy that average home increases by £864. So renters aiming to getting on the property ladder are effectively taxed £860 in average every year on their savings and rent increase upon this.
"10 facts about immigration" as a title does not identify specific types of immigration so suggests we are talking about ALL or TOTAL immigration. At 3:00 in the video we see text that reads "immigrants contribute more to the public purse on average than native born Britons do." which appears to suggest that we are talking about ALL immigrants but then goes on to say "The MAC reckons that each additional migrant from the European Economic Area (EEA)..." so we're not talking about ALL migrants, just the ones from the EEA who apparently yield "£2,370" more for the Treasury than the average British-born adult. I doubt there are migrants from the EEA seeking asylum and I am sure there are no migrants from the EEA crossing on small boats unless it is their own personal yacht. If you subtract the cost of dealing with irregular migrants and asylum seekers from the apparent Treasury windfall of EEA migrants you will find that ALL migrants has a net cost to the Treasury and not a net gain to the Treasury. The excessive immigration that should be stopped is the irregular and asylum seeker migration however I still do not see how EEA migrants below a certain salary benefit the country unless the desired benefit is to create a pool of cheap labour, or supress salaries or increase pressure on demand for housing. NO. If you have more labour and build, make, manufacture more of something with the increased labour, that does not create more demand. Market demand for something drives the need for higher productivity to meet that demand and that increase in productivity drives the demand to employ more people. Too much labour supply can only result in unemployment, inefficiency or lower salaries. Too much labour supply is NEVER going to create some demand for your existing product or service. You are trying to suggest a takeaway with one chef selling 500 burgers a day will sell 1000 if they employ a second chef, that is not how demand works. If both Chefs are on the same salary and sales increased to 750 burgers the profit margin on those burgers has decreased so the only way you would get the profit margin back would be to reduce salaries of both chefs, reduce the size or quality of the burgers or increase the price of the burgers; but size and quality reductions or/and price increases will impact demand. Talking about the effects of immigration on salaries, rent and house prices in terms of overall National impacts might yield tiny percentage changes but that is not the true picture in the sense that we do not have a Nationally average salary, rent, labour requirement or house supply. ALL migrants (legal, irregular, EEA, rest of the World, ALL) do not spread themselves evenly across the whole Nation. Housing supply is not evenly spread across the whole Nation. Job opportunities are not evenly spread across the whole Nation. The salaries you might get and the increases you might receive are not evenly spread across the whole Nation. To be honest there is VERY LITTLE that is evenly spread across our whole Nation. The cost of living is definitely not evenly spread across the whole Nation, so as migrants will chose to settle in certain areas the impacts that can be felt by people in local geographies is wildly different to 0.2 % or 0.4% of some National study and this very definitely include the impact to local NHS services and other civic functions. Headline figures of National percentages may look very compatible but they always hide the regional or more granular realities. GDP Growth ---- more migrants more GDP growth. Many migrants send money to the home country (it's their money they can chose to spend it how they wish) but the minute the money leaves the UK the Treasury loses any further taxation on that money. Then there is the cost of £Billions that the Government spends on accommodation for asylum seekers and processing their applications. The migrants are entitled to the use of interpreters for interactions with central or local Government at the Governments expense. To quote Indeed.com "Average NHS Translator/Interpreter yearly pay in England is approximately £35,341, which is 26% above the national average." So GDP Per Capita is much lower than GDP Growth because it is more expensive to administer migrants based on the average of ALL migrants rather than focusing on the value of the EEA migrant subset. If you increase the population whilst the number of unemployed apparently stays the same then yes, the graph will show a falling percentage of the population unemployed.......but.....even migrants from EEA have "No Recourse To Public Funds" since 1st January 2021. I think I'm correct to say that the "UK Unemployment %" graph at 09:16 is based on people claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If you are unemployed but not claiming Job Seekers allowance, how does the Government truly know you are unemployed? Our unemployment figures are down but our homeless figures have increased significantly over the same timeframe as the reducing unemployment. Falling birth rates of British born potential parents is heavily dictated by the cost of housing, cost of day-care, cost of everything really and a huge dollop of uncertainty generated by many sources. If The Treasury truly believes they get more "bang for buck" from migrants then why exactly would you expect the British born youth to deliver more (technically) for less? I am happy for legal migration that fills real job requirements. I am happy for a multi-cultural United Kingdom. I have been a migrant for many years to my wife's home country where I was very integrated and totally legal. My wife has been an immigrant to the UK, getting her UK Citizenship as soon as was possible and we have been here for > 20 years now. If you have read this far then thank you very much but people that haven't read this far will be assuming I'm a racist which is unfair as as yes, I am white British but my wife and our daughter, whilst both British are not and do not identify as white. Please read House of Commons Library: UK Prison Population Statistics By Georgina Sturge 8 July 2024 You may need to question the benefits of ALL migrants some more because I don't know how you attribute a Treasury economic return to the victims of criminals and you may say "but there are just as many criminals per capita by groupings" and I will say read the "Religion of prisoners and the general population England and Wales; March 2024" chart and look at percentage of prison population vs share of the general population. If we are going to continue with the belief that ALL migrants produce a net gain for the Treasury and ignore the uncomfortable truth that some societies have more bad apples per capita, then besides building more homes, how about building more jails? If ALL migration is a win for the UK, then given the numbers that arrived in 2023, the UK should be booming now and there should be no need for the Chancellor of the Exchequer The Rt Hon Rachel Reeves MP to even think of removing the Winter Fuel Allowance from the UK Pensioners
@@paxundpeace9970 Bearing in mind that my comment paragraphs were written whilst I paused each section of the video and that I even include timeline numeric references in my comment.......! If you've got nothing to say then I'm fine with that but don't try to shutdown conversation just because you don't agree.
In theory, lower immigration should force companies to invest in automation and thus improve productivity. But its worth comparing with Japan (no immigration, declining workforce). For some reason nominal wages there have been stagnant at 0.3% real terms wage growth over the past decade. Thoigh to be fair, they have been falling in the UK.
I think we need to look more at that danish study rather than say'i don't know much about it'. People often dismiss the specific origins of migrants because it's seen as racist. But it shows that people from a particular area, the middle East area, on the whole have never been a net contributor to society over their working life. I don't think an equivalent safety 3 exists in the UK because everybody is too terrified of being called racist. I think deep down we all know migrants from, say, Australia, will be far more valuable to our economy than, say, Pakistan. We should reflect this in our numbers, in my opinion. Another point is that although more people = more demand and thus more work, I don't think those from poorer Asian countries are as demanding for products and healthcare as natives. They tend to huddle together and keep themselves to themselves, sending most money to their actual home while loving frugally in a transactional period of life, so I'm not sure that balances out
Can you point out the source of your claims, please? Otherwise, it would be just misinformation. My anecdotal experience doesn't agree with your likely false claim. The CEOs and founders behind Google DeepMind, the only successful deep tech AI company in the UK are both of Mediterranean and Arab origins.
There's around 10 million unproductive people in the UK. Bliar extended (Widened) The scope of Disability to include Depression, Anxiety, Overweight, Alcoholism, etc etc to encourage Welfare Dependency! And by doing so, paved the way for Migrant Demand from Industry. - Regime Policy of SHELVING to replace UK Workforce.
I bet this guy lives in London and wears yellow corduroy trousers ..... what a belter !!!! he needs to try explaining this to the white people in Bradford , Luton , Birmingham , oldham , leicester etc etc etc
Nice video but it assumes there’s no government bias in the studies they run or data they release. For example, what is the crime rate amongst immigrants in the UK? They’ve never released this data. You’d think it would be an important factor for immigration policy.
You can find offenders conviction rates by ethnicity and prison population by nationality, religion, ethnicity . This is a pretty good proxy, not sure having all offenders nationality whether imprisoned or not would add much extra. Can already see which groups are over/underrepresented
Not unless you want to start persecuting people on the basis of race or ethnicity. If one ethnicity were found to commit 10-20% more crime than another it is not a reason to tar an entire group of people with the same brush. Also any analysis would also be skewed by the fact more migrants live in big cities with cameras everywhere and high rates of reported crime over small towns and villages where crimes are more likely to go unreported.
My dad's business employs cheap foreign labour and in doing so he does not have to increase wages that is why the minimum wage does not increase in line with inflation. Come on.
Should have come illegally! Free hotels, mobile, travel tickets, meals & spending money on a credit card. I cant understand why people come to the UK, there is nothing here, and everyone is leaving (inc myself) as it’s got so bad, and will get so much worse, the future isn’t bright and politicians and civil servants only drive the country further into more decline for their own benefit. Or as they have put it themselves ‘5 more years of managed decline’
That's the way it should be. It should take decades to be eligible because it's the infrastructure, resources, skills and advantages Brits have spent centuries creating. A few years in the country doesn't compare to that. I assume you use the roads built, housing built, free NHS, infrastructure, and economical advancement we provide too.
@@Camille_Anderson i do not deny that. The autor of the video said that that immigrants can take advantage of benefits so addressed that. These are your (Brits) rules, I knew them before I moved in and so I am not complaining now. UK has still a lot to offer.
As part of the legal migrants who have paid about £1100 for NHS service per year, working FT and spending locally, I assure everyone that we are contributing to the UK economy, probably even more than most British citizens do We are pretty sick of being scapegoats by some unwise Brits claiming that migrants are burdens cos most of us are obviously not. It is those who get benefits of all sorts from the government and don't any job or pay taxes are.
The way you word the point about the impact on house prices is a bit off, migration causes a 1% increase in house prices for each 1% it contributes to population growth, not the percentage of net migration vis. the total population.
I'd love to add to this discussion, but I'm afraid of the repercussions of anything I may say. I don't want a 3am wake up call from the police. Thanks in passing...oh and hail the regime!
If you are afraid because you are wanting to not talk about immigration and write hate about immigrants then better not post. If you have some facts that are pertinent to the discussion, this is not hate, please feel free to discuss any point that does not victimise anybody, and preferably with evidence based reasoning.
@@JamesKerr-z4o I actually wanted to voice my opinions about the current p$$$ce s**te that we are seeing being brought in, and also some pertinent facts regarding immigration and certain people's desire regarding that. I'm not far right, I'm a realist. But I also understand that saying the wrong thing online could result in a prison sentence, so I shall remain silent. As I said, I do not desire an early wake up call via battering ram by the police.
@@klawlor3659 I can’t comment as I could not see it. But I think you should consider Kier has introduced no laws against protesting, these laws were introduced under the Tories, probably as a reaction to Stop Oil protests, but to be honest I can’t claim to know their motives definitively.
Immigration is one of those things that as many people might not like, it's needed, the main reason being is birth rates in modern countries are too low and not enough as a replacement rate. On the surface, that sounds like a fine thing, a population decline, but the problem is that there is an imbalance on the population because of the boom after the second world war, basically, there are becoming more older people and not enough younger people, that's putting a massive burden on taxes and public services, without immigration, this problem would become far worse with governments having less tax revenue coming in, meaning either higher taxes for everyone else or lower spending on public services at a time when it needs more spending. Then there is also the job shortage, the simple truth is, there are many jobs that the natives don't want to do, and if a business can't get the workers locally, they'll end up shipping out and do business elseware, taking that economic activity with them. This is an issue that is hitting almost all modern countries that have a birthrate lower than 2.1, hence why immigration across almost all modern countries is high and likely to get higher as there is no easy solution to fix this problem until the balance from young and old is more balanced, which will take many decades for that to happen, or people start having more kids to balance it out. Eventually this will correct its self out overtime but that's decades off and in the short term, things are likely going to get worse before they get better as people are living longer and the percentage over 50 is increasing, but a solution might come about that could solve all this problem, A.I. and robotics, that could solve the cost of labour, the amount of workers needed and reduce taxes by a lot, but A.I. and robotics will bring another problem, not enough work to go around which will impact the younger generation the most, the irony being is that A.I. and robotics could flip things on it's head that the main issue isn't the older generation but finding work for the younger generation as A.I. and robotics replaces most of the jobs. But I will say one thing, even thought there's not much they can do in lowering immigration numbers, they could do far better on integrating these immigrants into society, I suspect a big problem people have with immigration isn't so much the numbers but that many of them don't integrate into society, I also feel that governments need to start facing off the rich elites and start listening to the concerns of the average citizens when it comes to cost of living and shortage of houses, a lot of these issues have been created by the rich elites that don't want as many houses being built because it pushes up the price of the ones they've bought, and with the cost of living, everything being more expensive is profitable for them, immigration is the scapegoat being used in many countries to cover up the real cracks in society which is lack of housing and cost of living. As for immigration, I find the best policy is to help develop the countries from where they are coming from, if there is less reason for them to move, they likely wont and then we have a natural flow of people movement across the world, I know that's easier said than done but that is the solution that would solve this problem over the long run, and it's something we see in the EU as the EU helps develop the eastern EU members, it reduces the influx of people moving westward and in fact, people from the west of the EU start moving towards the east in a more natural flow of people movment.
If immigration contributes to declining birth rates, your argument collapses ….. rising rents and property prices driven, in part, by rapid increases in population make it increasingly difficult to settle down and have kids
This STUPID practice or the law that just because a person is born in any country should be given that country's citizenship must be changed. Any person other than the ones who are genetically native to the land should be given citizenship, if they are born in a country, ONLY IF THEY AGREE, ACCEPT, RESPECT AND PRACTICE THE LANGUAGE, CULTUTRE, VALUES AND THE WAYS OF THAT COUNTRY and RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION, WHEN THEY BECOME ADULTS, period!! This should be documented and signed by that person.
The "net contribution UK budget" tab is hugely misleading. It shows that UK budget spends 4x more on UK-born than on migrants. It should also compare on how many UK-born and on how many migrants. Also, it should consider the age, surely older population get more out of the budget but they usually contributed whole their working life. Finally, migrant children are UK-born; however, if they attract more spending on average, they should also be considered in addressing the immigration impact on the budget. We repeat that immigration is good for the economy, but if we have a system that gives away money to people who don't contribute to the economy, how we are so sure we don't attract immigration that is actually detrimental for the economy by adding burden on the social welfare? Summarising, non-EU migrants DO NOT have better impact on the budget that UK-born. Probably their impact is much worse but this data is incapable of assessing that. The only think the table shows is that EU migration was positive for the budget and non-EU is negative. Considering these are usually working-age people is frightening to even think how they contribution will change with time and especially when they grow old and further increase the strain on the systems.
British Population 2024 --- 100,000,000 Official numbers are corrupted for political reasons. Over 70 -- 12,000,000 Over 60 -- 21,000,000 Financially for the British government it would be convenient to reduce life expectancy. How could this be achieved? British housing crisis resolved. This applies to all Western countries.
If you remove 10m people from the UK (equivalent to migration growth over the last 25 years plus 2m illegals nobody ever talks about) and send them to Greenland, you would immediately remove the need for building 1.5m homes, the NHS would be free from queues, productivity would massively increase, along with wages, our prison population would reduce, and we would all be a lot happier. You could then privatise the NHS and pay an insurance premium for all UK residents/citizens. Everybody else pays. Then we would be a good place to live. Price of housing is not the issue in the UK, it is availability, which is 100% down to immigration. Since 2023 and reduction in migrants most lorry drivers are £20k per year better off. Wages have been depressed by migrants. Most migrants when they work in the UK are in the bottom 10 percentile from a wage perspective. You have high population growth of people who work in non productive areas like hospitality and low level services creating little value, high fiscal drag and minimal tax revenues. This is why our GDP per capita and productivity is so poor. BTW to sort the carer problem out pay them £25 per hour, you will have no problem with recruitment. As for this video it is not credible from a financial or economic point of view.
@@VinoVeritas_ In the first instant their employer whom is paid by their customer. After that it becomes more complicated it maybe in the private sector it maybe in the public sector. But you could pay £25 per hour, there is nothing stopping you. Anyway it is not what you pay somebody it is what they cost you. NHS pay may be low, but benefits are massive and costed hours attended amongst the highest in the country. The doctors pay increase may only cost £350 million per annum, however their total costs are increased by over £1bn per annum and one could argue that since they are relatively young at todays rates it will cost the country £60bn.
@@VinoVeritas_ I don't care, I am just proving the point that people who don't understand economics and numbers should not run their mouths pretending to be experts. This bloke is talking rubbish. We don't need migrants because we have a shortage of carers, we have a shortage of carers because we pay them shite money.
Well, I’m afraid you wound me up the wrong way at the very beginning of that video when you said that the British Isles has a long history of immigration. With all respect, I’m so sick of hearing this historical nonsense. I don’t believe there’s any evidence that Romans immigrated here in any significant numbers. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes did come in significant numbers, but that was a very, very long time ago. The truth is that between the creation of the English state in the 10th century and the Second World War, virtually nobody came to this country (the Normans were a small conquering elite). The immigration we are experiencing now is utterly unprecedented in the history of England. I would question the whole notion of a labour shortage. You refer to the lump of labour fallacy when you say that immigrants don’t take the jobs of natives because increasing population increases both the supply of labour and the demand for it. Indeed and therefore increasing the supply of immigrant labour increases the demand for immigrant labour. Just because an employer advertises a job, that doesn’t mean that that job needs to be done. Some people have said that without immigration, some restaurants might have to close. So what? Restaurant food is not a human right. Yes, we rely heavily on foreign labour for the NHS. This is a choice we have made. But it is worth pointing out that the majority (63%, I believe) of medical malpractice cases that go before the GMC are of foreign-trained doctors. This should probably not be surprising as in countries more corrupt than ours, it is possible to obtain fake medical qualifications. I’m interested that you say that the government can “use the money“ that migrants pay in taxes to fund public services. Does this mean you reject the MMT idea that taxes do not pay for public services? Is it really the case that the government cannot build a road without first importing restaurant workers and delivery drivers so that it can tax them and therefore “get the money“ for the road?
What about the impact of limited capital (factories, infrastructure etc) as you add more workers the marginal revenue that each worker brings falls. There is less capital per worker with mass immigration. Further worsening the UKs lack of investment problem. This is bad news for wages
Around 300k to 500k emigrate out of UK every year, combine that with lower birth rates then you realise at very least half a million immigrants are required annually but its impossible to have a one on one out policy I understand that but last years figures do seem crazy. Even Looks like Tories let things go out of control to have something to fight the election on knowing that Labour are perceived to be more pro immigration.
Why didn't you include capital shallowing and its affect on productivity. Only a very fringe group of people are anti-immigration, however, the volume and quality do matter, whereas your video doesn't show this at all
Before you even get to there, the UK Economy has had a productivity problem relative to our peers for decades. Even Before immigration was a thing. And every government swerved the problem. And employers too. They all was experienced staff that they don't need to invest in training them. The free lunch is no longer on the menu, but the bill for what has been served for decades is now being paid. Especially as the financial sector is no longer able to carry the rest of the economy, and is quietly cutting costs to maintain margins in the face lower returns in the near future.
Any person with even minimal common sense and a basic understanding of demographic trends knows that what is going on in the last 30 years has forever changed British society. I approve of immigration because all ex-Christian societies (including Britain) have fertility rates below 1.6 whereas the replacement level is 2.09. However, we all know that more than half of the immigrants of the past 30 years belong to a religion that at its core opposes the pluralistic and democratic values of Britain and wish to replace it with something else. Currently they are roughly 1 in 6 of all people residing permanently in the UK. By mid century and assuming the current immigration and migration trends continue they will constitute 33% of the population. When this happens many urban zones will be populated exclusively by them and they will engage in a war of attrition to exhaust Britain so the current system can be transformed (appeasement in the name of tolerance and out of economic necessity will be the first stage before total surrender until the final stage of all out civil conflict takes place). It has been the same everywhere for the past 1,400 years and only a fool would think it will be any different in Britain.
For starters you confuse the terms "immigration" and "migration" which makes it difficult to take you seriously had you even spoke sense and had your figures been true. (You don't and the figures are mostly false). You use both terms as if they mean the same thing so here is a short English lesson for you ; Migration = Britons leaving Britain to settle in other countries. Immigration = Non-Britons leaving their home countries to settle in Britain.
This video looks more at the fall in fertility rates in UK. th-cam.com/video/I5kcbEK-qAc/w-d-xo.html
Legal migrants have to pay additional tax to have access to said healthcare and its simply incorrect that they are eligible for "most benefits". They first need permanent residence status or citizenship, of which can take at least 5 years to process.
Not in my own personal experience working with migrants. They have a small army of consultants to support and advise how the system works and what can they claim immediately and they do.
You just proved what OP said. They're not eligible for most benefits.
The advisors only point out what they can get.
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@@markfrancis5164 Have you ever moved abroad or gone through the process of applying for a work visa yourself?
I can assure you, outside of a single migration agent, which is standard practice, no one is provided a "small army" of consultants.
But lets assume you are correct and you know all the intricate details. What are these migrants you know claiming specifically?
Very significant legal migrants don’t work, or have dependents that don’t work and need handout from the government
We have 9 million people of working age economically inactive, we really should not be using immigration to paper over problems like this.
There needs to be some sort of national service (not necessarily the military). The people who aren't working are not all medically unable to work so they should be doing things to help society. They can do easy jobs like cleaning up streets, maintaining woods, and many other tasks that need doing in society
@@gordon1201 the country isn't a big scouts club mate
Most of them are probably completely useless though, businesses aren't charities.
Maybe get retirees to do it for a pension top up, get some fresh air and exercise and meet some like minded people to complain about everything and talk about the good old days .
Of which 3.5 million are over 50 and either ill or taken early retirement.
1.1 million are careers doing care work and not being paid for it.
2.1 million are students studying as opposed to working.
1.1 million are sick (see broken NHS and bad handling of the pandemic)
Etc etc
The real unemployment rate i.e. people actually looking for work or in between work is 1.5 million, made up of people either unqualified for the jobs available in the economy or natural flow of people between jobs and likely to land a job in the near term. And unless you want to force ppl to do jobs they don't want to do or aren't qualified to do then we will need foreigners, because I don't fancy having surgery or legal advice by a person who isn't qualified and doesn't want to be there.
It took me all of one minute to look this info up and dispell your bs.
People also ask
What is the story of the frog and the boiling water?
The boiling frog is an apologue describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. Apply this model to immigration 😮
Main Issue of mass immigration (anywhere) is not economic, but the quick loss of cultural identity and social integration
lol almost every right winger says it's economic.
Also, culture changes all the time. The world 100 years ago is far from today's milieu. Resisting cultural changes is futile.
@@wafercrackerjack880 It s not futile, when cultural changes happen too quickly and driven by external forces
@@tremannaik99cultural change is always due to external factors u dmb brit
@@farhanmunawar2420 I m not brit. And you definitely to grow up "culturally"
@@tremannaik99 every white prsn is brit lol
The ‘migration is a solution to an aging population’ is bit naive.
It’s just kicking the can down the road as those people will grow old too.
Given that only 15% of migrants are skilled, that’s an awful lot of unskilled labour entering the workforce that will need to be looked after later on…
That's the issue. Many who are staying are low skilled working at costa coffee, tesco express.
They've been brought in to keep wages low after brexit.
By the time they retire there'll be no NHS or state pension anyway more then likely
Kicking the can is exactly what they are doing. That is literally the point of immigration. Ability to tax intergenerationally and solve long run finance issues in the economy. Put another way, most immigrants work in roles where there are shortfalls in the economy - i.e. locals aren't qualified to do them - and then importantly have kids who in one generation are out achieving locals. Every study shows this. So gov can tax them down the line. They more than pay for themselves and others with their higher earning taxes. Again just look at the data, it is absolutely clear on that.
@@paulbo9033 Intergenerational taxes should be illegal. The government shouldn't even have the ability to go into debt. Retirement should be entirely in the hands of the worker. Putting a part of your earnings in a stable index fund like the S&P 500 can allow any worker to retire as a millionaire.
@CR-rm4iy 'net'. In the long run, yes. In the short term, they've depresses wages after brexit.
We need an inflationary period for wages.
Britain has not made a fiscal surplus for the last 24 years. We have had high net immigration for more than a decade but it does not seem to be improving Britain's finances
There was still a net contribution, better follow where that money went. Incompetency, corruption, lowering taxes, etc
Bizarre logic since we already know we would have fallen a lot further without immigration. It's the only thing giving us a fighting chance atm.
@@tip00former1 There was NO net inflow after public spending. The hole every year was filled by borrowing. We had to borrow even during Tory austerity though to be fair in our best year we only had to borrow 700 million which in the scheme of countries financials is close to zero. I doubt 'corruption' as internally we are not dealing with cash and the civil service is well paid with a fantastic pension that would be stupid to loose. It would be easy to trace all transactions. But keep coping with your blame game. Are you out of touch enough to think we can compete with China? That Britain will become Great Again?
same with NHS, which under the last government was the main pretext to bring immigrants in - but in fact, the higher migration, the worse NHS access.
@@xtc2v
I think what most people mean when they refer to corruption in the UK is entirely legal corruption. Exploiting loopholes, preferential treatment in business, huge PFI.
Some good points raised. Glad you were unbiased and looked at it from pure economics perspective.
UK politicians have never sold the concept of immigration as a positive though. Indeed, during the last two decades, both main parties have promised lower immigration in their manifestos - but then delivered the opposite in government.
So this can also be seen as a failure in democracy - where the public do not get what they’ve voted for. We shouldn’t be surprised that voter turnout is at an all time low, and discontent with politicians extremely high.
Politicians must either sell the positive qualities of immigration, or cut numbers down as per manifesto promises.
Politicization of Immigration should be shunned but it provides a great cover for deeper and more real problems in the Economy of any country. Every country, that has issues like stagnant wages, skyrocketing housing prices tends to use immigration as a bogeyman.
You should investigate the Danish number more; it's not some random study; the government itself is behind it. They have a long report that discusses the problems and benefits of migration and the numbers, then breaks down where the immigrants come from in detail.
notably denmark is the only european country not experiencing a lurch to the 'right'
@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 They did, but it was just some time ago. They were among the first to open their doors and became a bit of a laughingstock from the other Nordics.
So, they have some of the most extensive experience in dealing with immigration problems.
Instead of trying to sweep it under the rug like the Swedes, they openly discussed these issues and came to the conclusion that immigrants outside the EU are not worth it.
@@stefnirkOpenly discussed? You mean they voted for the Danish People's Party - a thinly veiled neo nazi group which was included in a coalition government. They enacted a law to forcibly sell jewelry and other valuables of refugees to 'fund' their integration. How appalling. This is not a country to emulate. Ultimately immigration is about finding a solution for Europeans who have no desire to have children - it is not a purely humanitarian gesture. Corporations need workers and whether native populations want it or not - governments will be forced to allow immigration. Otherwise the welfare state will collapse.
They have had a very right wing government for many decades now. They are now planning to force migrants out of certain parts of the cities wwre they might have lived for decades.
Sweden and Finnland have seen a shift to a more right wing government too.
While Germany, France and Spain anf UK, Poland shifted to the left in its last national over the past 3 years elections.
@@paxundpeace9970 UK Labour party are by no means "left"
We need migrants because of a lack of productivity gains which is circular because as you increase low skilled immigration productivity falls. If employers have access to cheap and plentiful labour they be less likely to invest in new technology that increases productivity.
I recall the mass immigration from Eastern Europe. Hundreds of thousands of people came to work in our economy. They undercut the wages of Indigenous workers and lowered our wages through their competition. They also saved their money, did not spend it here and sent it back to their home country. They therefore had a very negative effect on the workforce here, although those who used their services did make some savings.
The overall effect was negative and caused the Brexit vote.
Conclusion: immigration must be handled very carefully if it is to benefit our economy.
Great content! What surprises me is why no economic experts talk about the billions spent on unnecessary wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Ukrain، etc etc. Wouldn't it have been better to spend that money within the country?
That & at least 30 years of under building housing (houses & flats) for the population. Conservatives, Labour & Libs all played a part of this. We've built under 50% of the expected housing every year for 30+ years so no wonder we have such a housing issue with record high prices & rent and now normal interest rates which creates a terrible storm
Also the percentage increase of distribution of wealth in relation to population.
well war in Ukraine is not unnecessary, it's on our continent and we are protecting ourselves by protecting Ukraine.
@vorong2ru
Protecting from whom? There was a peace deal just two weeks after the war began, but Joe Biden rejected it. Then, the USA started selling gas to Europe at 4 times the market price.
How can you compete with China when you're buying gas at such a high price?
@@vorong2ru we've kinda put a target on ourselves by supporting Ukraine in the war if Russia goes all out (uses nukes). I understand & can see that former USSR states / countries would be the main initial targets if Russia beat Ukraine from the beginning but the UK genuinely was never a threat nor did we have much interest to the Russians until we had a large influence in this war via rejecting peace tks for Ukraine & arming them.
Why for instance, there be a shortage of say Fruit Pickers, when we have numerous thousands sitting in hotel rooms etc, who could be picking fruit etc and probably a lot of them would be only to happy, surely to be doing this.
At least it would show who wanted to actually work and not just arriving, with their hand out?
Who picked all the fruit before? Big corporation companies just want cheap labour.
@@boombox2661 East Europeans, what big corporations are you talking about? There is a minimum wage in the UK, the same as what I am on.
Do you work, or one of the nine million inactive with your hand out, like lots are, I would rather be working, picking fruit, brushing the streets, or removing graffiti than sitting around all day doing nothing, with my hand out, we have enough of them already.
@@brianevans2819 i am a tradesman. I run my own company in the UK. I am hoping for the best and prepared for the worst. It is not going to end well. The UK if on Its way down big time. Get out of debt and prepare for a financial depression. Best of luck 🤞🏻
When is it enough? or is it never enough. Just to keep the Ponzi debt based wheels a rolling. 70 million, 140 million, 200 million? 300 million.
Why are students bring dependants?
Surely its not normal for a student generally a young person to bring their family to uni? Imagine a brit turning up to freshers with their family how weird.
Graduate students bring their family. Phds. They're grown adults.
Okay it's like this - I am an immigrant considering which country I want to go and study in. I am a Masters in Ai, a strategically important tech/sector, and I want to do a PhD. I know there is a massive skills shortage in my field so organisations and economies are literally in competition for my talent. I am also willing to spend £30k on this study which the uni sector needs as a source of income, and Im in a category that tends to spend in the local economy propping up local jobs.
While I do my PhD I won't be doing much paid work, and I have a wife who earns the average salary of £34k but she isn't the one doing the PhD so if she moves with me she is dependent on me until she can get a job in the new country (assuming the new country allows her to work and that she earns the average local salary which ironically is not enough to meet the immigration threshold as a non-dependent).
Im in demand so it's simple, I go to whichever country is the least deluded about the competition for global talent that is taking place. I go to where said country understands the above and allows for dependents so I don't have to be split up from my husband. And if Britain doesn't understand, I shrug my shoulders and say, good luck with meeting your future skills needs, economic needs, and paying your pensions without talent you can't otherwise get, I will just go to Germany, or Finland, or Netherlands where they will allow me to bring my wife and kids if I had one.
In short, Britain needs to get over itself. People like me are in demand for good reason and have choices, Britain needs to wake up before it finds itself hopelessly unprepared for future challenges because it was too short sighted and racist to let talent in that would have solved future problems.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk
Because they see this platform or route. And, the unis survive onthis . This has been stopped for good or bad. Now only Phds and some grads with research module can bring dependents.
Core of the problem is Britain's declining population growth since 70s. Britain managed this with many inflows of Immigration and to some extent is addicted to it. Migrants are also consumers, home buyers etc again for good or bad I don't know.
@@paulbo9033or scenario 2, they get a student visa to a fictitious school and then disappear to work cash jobs in a pub or nail bar. All for legal immigration where people contribute to society and the state.
@@user-fv1576 the numbers of ppl doing this are extremely low though. You can't base policy on edge cases. Restricting the bulk of much needed immigration because of a few ppl at the margins is idiotic in the extreme
Congestion issues are I am afraid also quality of life issues a factor that cannot be measured by economists metrics.
The thing is, regardless of race or religion I would be wanting to see something being done to stop hundreds of thousands of unemployed and mostly young MEN coming to this country. It's an obvious recipe for social disaster. The real problem is almost being ignored because it's been turned into a race and religion argument.
hundreds of thousands of unemployed men ? most have visas and are here legally to do jobs you don't want to do, illegal migration makes up less than 10% of the overall figure
Great content, Tejvan, and love the professional graphics in the video.
This is all starting to look rather criminal by the last Govt: the initial estimated budgets for asylum, border, visa and passport operations was £320m for 3yrs: they spent £7.9bn!!! Apparently the game was to massively underestimate for political reasons and then to constantly top up from Treasury reserves (which is why the year’s reserves had gone by June!).
So the effect on wages fallacy… is not a fallacy and does Infact negatively effect wages
100%
Of course it does.
As an immigrant myself, I have often said immigration isn’t an issue economically . The issue I do see with it is more of a social issue with crime and integration among some communities.
You don’t think 700k net migration in one year isn’t an economic issue?
Did you watch the video?@@wendywolfman
Also someone coming here who ends up working in McDonalds or Tesco is a crazy situation, they get paid the minimum wage and can just about survive. Then the government has to pay them benefits to help them.
This. I see it as pretty much economically neutral overall. The social cost is the huge one.
@@wendywolfmanthe video says it isn't. Economic arguments are a deflection from the main issue: social.
3:50 the wages obviously decrease due to migration, why else would they put up the wages of "skilled immigration" 100% below the real market rate? I think that wage for actuaries were set at some 28K !!!! In fact, the cost of living arbitrage and work visa commisions is currently the most lucrtive industry, and it has been since at least 2008, mostly through lobbying and private equity "cost reductions".
I don't think anyone thinks migration is a major factor in the rise in house prices, but it is a big factor if you are waiting to get social housing
One small mistake: most of these NEW migrants never worked in their life....
Well considering a lot of them are students that's hardly surprising. As for those here on work visas, I presume you have a credible source to back this up?
@@JR-lz4bz dear friend - obviously you NEVER been in S.America, Africa or India...
@@tomc.2808 dear friend - do you have a credible source to back up what you're saying, or are you just making generalisations based on your own (very limited) experiences? Also, why does it even matter? Everyone has to start somewhere.
@@JR-lz4bz I just lived and worked for years on several continents - thats all...
@@tomc.2808 that doesnt give you any special insight into whether most recent migrants to the uk have work experience or not.
A third of Pakistani/Bengali origin living here do not work. Those who do send money back home. Tell me again how they are benefitting the economy?
They are not and the statistics are just being buried.
Do you know where that evidence is that shows that? Please drop a link to it.
#NoProofNoTruth
Please point us to your sources. until then we can dismiss this as misinformation. (it's OK this is youtube, there is a lot of BS, you are not alone)
@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
He is absolutely right about Britiah Bangladeshis. They are the least economically active of any ethnic geoup in the UK. I think you ahould reflect on why you dismissed this wthout any evidence or a second thought.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bangladeshis#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DIn_2021%2C_Bangladeshis_were_the%2C24%25_of_White_British_women.?wprov=sfla1
@@scobeyrowley5115 I lived in Tower Hamlets, huge Bangladeshi community, you will hardly ever see a boarded up shop unlike white suburbs. They open a phenemenol number of businesses. My perception is that they are hard working.
Tons of Indians moving to UK. Uk is disappearing.
African refugees can find refugees in other African countries
90 percent do....
Very informative and a sensible way to discuss benefits and disadvantages of each type of immigration. I’m sure the vast majority of people don’t realise that asylum seekers are dwarfed by people and their families coming to the uk on student or work visas.
My wife herself is a immigrant and I recently learnt that a lot of people from India are selling their student dependacy visa to others and there are companies dedicated to helping fake the documents to do it. So its apt that this is from a economics channel lol
I call bs. Most of those visas are biometric. Any purchaser of the visa will not be able to prove their identity matches the biometric document.
You don't work at the Home Office, obviously. So, there's a big gap between what you've heard and what actually happens in the real world. #JustGetReal
You make a fallacy on some of your points. With the point about wage suppression you claim that an increase of people does not necessarily make wages drop as there is an increase in demand and thus it will even itself out but on you point about the NHS waiting lists you claim without immigration the NHS would have a lot more vacancies without making the connection that they need those extra staff as immigration pushes up the number of people who need to access the NHS
Wages aren't an issue you can be making 1000 pounds a day if the purchasing power is shit what is the point immigration and open borders is good if there is no access to welfare because it increases possible consumers possible entrepreneurs removing tarrifs removing import taxes and increasing business freedom these 3 reduce prices and increase international value of your reserved currency and how much the currency is worth I realized the only logical position is open borders and more lower government in fact private health care with extreme deregulation would be a fuck tonne cheaper
@@tysolbohan6446 I agree, it’s laughable when people say we have a free health service. Taxpayers are paying many thousands ever year for this so called free health service ….. and it’s really shit
You completely miss the issue of sovereign identity, social cohesion and social trust. These can be put on a graph and have tanked since 2001
Had do you put any of those things on a graph? 😂 You could argue what is and isn't cohesion or identity or trust till the end of time.
Thank you for making this video.
On a lot of this seem to not take the compounding affect into consideration.
The small UK is never more than only 70 miles from the sea. with an under estimated population of 69,182,205 as of Friday, August 9, 2024, based on Worldometer's elaboration of the latest United Nations data. You could say too many for the weak old infrastructures to cope. We will soon if not already overwhelmed. Our kids can't afford housing and most people have no money, so how can immigrants without benefits afford to live here. The UK has become unrecognisable from 20-30 years ago not for the better. Seems like something very strange going on from a global standpoint with net zero and the whole dysfunctional controlled system.
Am I going to be arrested?
You speak sense my friend
1. Because most immigrants are economic and pay their way so don't need benefits, this is tracked data so just look it up to verify for yourself.
2. The problems you identified are made worse without immigration, not better. E.g. the gov chose not to build houses for 30 years and privatise everything, that's a policy decision with absolutely nothing to do with immigrants. But now to improve availability of housing you need to dramatically build, for which you will need to finance the house building and for that you need future tax receipts by increasing the number of tax payers and higher rate tax payers. This can only be done via immigration because Britains birth rate has flat lined and is not going to pick up again.
No; but neither are you going to be taken seriously, with a comment like this.
Imagine somebody who hasn't seen the about our new rivers of poo being caused by the grift of the privatised water companies, or that the Conservatives reduced public spending by half, as well as giving millions to their banker diners in the city in subsidies. Whereas they cut salaries and pensions for doctors and nurses. What might they think?
#JustAsking
@@paulbo9033 You are describing a Ponzi scheme Policy to bail out a failed monetary corrupted control system, NHS, and state pension are all bankrupt. A failed system that's kicking the can down the road all built on debt and keeping people in it under control, trying to be bailed out by unregulated unskilled immigration.
If we had a points based system for immigration to choose the skills we needed and not take in Any/all people, mostly males that chuck their passports away that come over from safe France leaving their own country to fail. UK has less skilled jobs available now as we have lost our manufacturers to china and the jobs left are mostly service industry, gig, unskilled and with minimum wage poor pay on zero hours contract and will only get worse due to AI. Take a look at the German crashing economy that was the EU power house.
In a democracy people voted to leave the EU and not to be run by a world globalist socialist war hungry order introduced by the USA after WWII to fill a power vacuum and to keep the so called peace. Democracy was overwhelming overruled by the left wing elites in USA and the global left wing elites worldwide order that couldn't except a democracy, so we now live in a more crony dictatorship as we always have.
House prices have increased along with all asset prices with the unlimited supply of cheap debt by banks that create it out of nothing pushing up prices. Not backed by anything causing inflation that is stealing our wealth. All bailed out by taxpayers after it all collapsed in 2008 and never recovered. The birth rate in the UK has decreased in the UK because most tax paying families can't afford kids, both parents need to go out to work all day every day and they need to pay for child care. Most of the young people don't want kids and are not starting a family because they can't afford a house so spend on having a good time and live at home with their parents. The wrong type of non tax paying people, benefit claimants are having kids and not paying for housing. Back in the 60's you could afford a house on 3 times one wage and in 1930's USA The median annual pay during the Great Depression was 22%
of the cost of an average home. Today's it's 14%. That means that pay relative to home cost made it easier to buy a home during the Great Depression
than right now.
But don't want to argue, just wait and see what is going to unfold. People have had enough and are skint.
@@paulbo9033 so according to you we need more immigrants because of immigrants. Well it's now a proven fact that immigrants are a net drain on our economy because not everyone who comes here is an engineer believe it or not
I never really thought of Irish as immigrants. Weren't they from the Celtic tribes that inhabited Britain before the Anglo-Saxons invaded?
Indeed. And they are the #1 "non-British" demographic among NHS nurses.
No, they were the Celtic tribes that inhabited Ireland before the British invaded.
So then the Anglo-Saxons are immigrants? 😅
Ireland is its own seperate country so when they come here they are indeed immigrants
Didn’t celts come from Iberia? Weren’t the romans in Britain as well? The problem is flags
Excellent, factual and impartial video
This is a balanced and timely video; just two points of consistency. Early on you say that more migration (supply) increases demand (economic growth). Later you show that GDP has remained stagnant. So it really is a case of increased supply and that as a country the strategy seems to be competitive by reducing our cost base. The 2nd observation is that the impact on wages should focus on the poorest decile who are impacted most. you mention this but it needs more investigating. overall, when you combine lower wages, higher rent, and longer waiting for health care, there is a reason to worry about the poorest in our country.
A problem with this video is how you keep using averages and generalisations to smooth over the issue. As you admitted the wage depreciation on lower skilled workers is higher at 2%, that with a target inflation of 4% means they need to argue for at least a 4% pay increase year-on-year just to keep up, which isn't easy. I wouldn't be surprised if the 1% increase in net migration causing 1-2% increase in housing prices is heavily weighted to lower-end housing. Meaning as always the poor get hit harder.
Combine this over the last 2 & 1/2 decades and it is very clearly a serious issue keeping millions poor in the country, just because the effects are small in one year doesn't mean they are small at all over 24 years and counting. People are fed up of others telling them they "wouldn't want to do those jobs" when the reason they don't do those jobs is because instead of paying a fair wage they import cheaper labour from abroad and then make them compete for housing.
Reforms idea of net zero migration (with an exception for healthcare workers) is a no brainer.
Nice video, good to see some objective data review rather than indicindary opinions and what about-ism.
immigration leads to higher inflation for everything! food, rents, utilities etc. That is because their is a time lag between usage (days) and new supply coming on to the market (years) for when they come
Don't forget most students return home after courses have been completed
Dependents get no benefits
How can people who live on an island like the UK believe that importing more people and increasing their population forever has no limit?
It’s like filling your petrol tank and then continuing to pump as the fuel runs down the quarter panel.
I realise the island is not quite full yet, but what is the future plan when you are full?
92% of the country is undeveloped. And like the video said in a short amount of time there'll be significantly more retirees than working age people.
@@dan44zzt231 yuh. And the future solution?
Wait till you find out about flat lining birth rates and the concepts of death rates and emigration.
In short because of these factors we literally can and will need to have immigration forever.
Deal with it.
@@paulbo9033 I forgot immigrants don’t age… whoops 😬
@@stanrixWhere are you getting your facts from? The UK is not nearly full, and reproduction declines and we are not getting younger. Don't listen to populists.
Very balanced and informative video
The real Chancellor of the Exchequer of the UK, keep up the good work Eco Help!
Interesting video and more facts Firstly, the UK has been below replacement fertility since the mid 1970s, yet despite this a rising population on the 3rd or 4th highest foreign born population after Germany and the United States. Another fact, this means the UK also has the world's most cosmopolitan or largest nominal foreign born population of any city, London. Correlation and causation perhaps , isn't legal skilled/non skilled immigration helpful for London , to thrive as one of the largest city economies in the world whilst maintaining a large UK economy?A final fact, projections are UK becoming the most populous country in Europe by the mid 21st century(excluding Turkey and Russia partly outside Europe)!🎉
A very interesting video, sir. However, I noticed one thing not mentioned: nearly all working migrants which I know send money earned home to their families - understandably. So at say, £100 per week per migrant, this represents a huge amount of money leaving the economy each week. Native workers would spend such money largely in the UK economy.
Good point.
I have a counter argument that a lot of working migrants bring their life savings into this country. A lot of working immigrants don’t bring their aging parents either. So until a study is done and reliable statistics shown, I don’t think it’s conclusive.
@@BillyChuckThe21st Yes, that can be the case, although the life savings of one could be huge whilst the life savings if another could be miniscule.
I know some migrants take what they have made in England and return home to buy a house for cash. Would that English people could save for three to five years and then buy a house.
@@peterbarkworth951 some do, but how is that negatively affecting the UK economy? I don’t think foreign workers not buying a house here is a bad thing, workers return home after they have done their job sounds a pretty ideal situation, you can’t expect them to leave the country without their lawful earnings.
@@BillyChuckThe21st Good luck to those workers; they have earned the money and can enjoy. Sadly, English workers have to compete for the jobs and unless, they want to take their money to Romania or Poland, they must pay high house prices or rents: rents pushed up by extra demand caused by immigration.
While it's possible to compensate essential workers by immigrants, doing so makes native people be reluctant to start their careers as essential workers.
Imagine starting cattle farming when the government puts no restriction on importing beefs from, say, Brazil, USA or Canada.
When there is guaranteed arbitrary supply or importing cheap products, nobody wants to become a supplier.
General question: You mentioned 1% immigration raises housing prices by 1%. Is this the same for house prices in terms of both buying and renting? I feel like it would have a higher effect on rent, which I think has risen more than buying prices (but I don't have the stats). The reason I ask is it makes the most sense that new immigrants, especially from third countries, may not have the right to buy a home if they are on a short visa, the income to buy it or even the will. Many immigrants from the EU for the first couple of years don't know whether or they even wanted to buy a house because they weren't sure they wanted to stay. Anyways, for at least those reasons, my gut tells me that the price increase would be much more significant in the renting sector. Thank you.
they always say in these films that immigration does not affect wages and housing costs, and repeat all that "highly skilled" trope, which makes little sense if you think logically.
Pushing rents and housing cost the most are tourists. They can afford to pay a grand a week for a flat or even more.
The longer migrants stay the longer they are working and migrants do make up a huge share of construction workers.
I want to say something but I am afraid of the new police crackdown on online comments.
Do you mean you want to make a racist statement?
You weren't scared earlier. You need to stop doing a Farage, mate
"I was only saying" doesn't mean what your saying is true.
This is a very thoughtful analysis from an economic lens, concluding there are pros & cons to the economy of current migration in th UK. However people are migrating into a union of 4 nations that live by a culture that is their identity. The price of chips is not an identity, natives and migrants are not cultural commodities. So I presume you ignored the real question, provided a credible substitute answer for some other more interesting purpose.
Great myth debunking vid, thanks Tejvan
Liking the new graphics
The average price first-time buyer paid in 2023 was £288,136. Given that 1% sudden increase of population increases houseprices by 2%, the 15% deposit to buy that average home increases by £864.
So renters aiming to getting on the property ladder are effectively taxed £860 in average every year on their savings and rent increase upon this.
And what of the stealth tax, namely inflation or better a description currency debauchment?
"10 facts about immigration" as a title does not identify specific types of immigration so suggests we are talking about ALL or TOTAL immigration. At 3:00 in the video we see text that reads "immigrants contribute more to the public purse on average than native born Britons do." which appears to suggest that we are talking about ALL immigrants but then goes on to say "The MAC reckons that each additional migrant from the European Economic Area (EEA)..." so we're not talking about ALL migrants, just the ones from the EEA who apparently yield "£2,370" more for the Treasury than the average British-born adult. I doubt there are migrants from the EEA seeking asylum and I am sure there are no migrants from the EEA crossing on small boats unless it is their own personal yacht. If you subtract the cost of dealing with irregular migrants and asylum seekers from the apparent Treasury windfall of EEA migrants you will find that ALL migrants has a net cost to the Treasury and not a net gain to the Treasury. The excessive immigration that should be stopped is the irregular and asylum seeker migration however I still do not see how EEA migrants below a certain salary benefit the country unless the desired benefit is to create a pool of cheap labour, or supress salaries or increase pressure on demand for housing.
NO. If you have more labour and build, make, manufacture more of something with the increased labour, that does not create more demand. Market demand for something drives the need for higher productivity to meet that demand and that increase in productivity drives the demand to employ more people. Too much labour supply can only result in unemployment, inefficiency or lower salaries. Too much labour supply is NEVER going to create some demand for your existing product or service. You are trying to suggest a takeaway with one chef selling 500 burgers a day will sell 1000 if they employ a second chef, that is not how demand works. If both Chefs are on the same salary and sales increased to 750 burgers the profit margin on those burgers has decreased so the only way you would get the profit margin back would be to reduce salaries of both chefs, reduce the size or quality of the burgers or increase the price of the burgers; but size and quality reductions or/and price increases will impact demand.
Talking about the effects of immigration on salaries, rent and house prices in terms of overall National impacts might yield tiny percentage changes but that is not the true picture in the sense that we do not have a Nationally average salary, rent, labour requirement or house supply. ALL migrants (legal, irregular, EEA, rest of the World, ALL) do not spread themselves evenly across the whole Nation. Housing supply is not evenly spread across the whole Nation. Job opportunities are not evenly spread across the whole Nation. The salaries you might get and the increases you might receive are not evenly spread across the whole Nation. To be honest there is VERY LITTLE that is evenly spread across our whole Nation. The cost of living is definitely not evenly spread across the whole Nation, so as migrants will chose to settle in certain areas the impacts that can be felt by people in local geographies is wildly different to 0.2 % or 0.4% of some National study and this very definitely include the impact to local NHS services and other civic functions. Headline figures of National percentages may look very compatible but they always hide the regional or more granular realities.
GDP Growth ---- more migrants more GDP growth. Many migrants send money to the home country (it's their money they can chose to spend it how they wish) but the minute the money leaves the UK the Treasury loses any further taxation on that money. Then there is the cost of £Billions that the Government spends on accommodation for asylum seekers and processing their applications. The migrants are entitled to the use of interpreters for interactions with central or local Government at the Governments expense. To quote Indeed.com "Average NHS Translator/Interpreter yearly pay in England is approximately £35,341, which is 26% above the national average." So GDP Per Capita is much lower than GDP Growth because it is more expensive to administer migrants based on the average of ALL migrants rather than focusing on the value of the EEA migrant subset.
If you increase the population whilst the number of unemployed apparently stays the same then yes, the graph will show a falling percentage of the population unemployed.......but.....even migrants from EEA have "No Recourse To Public Funds" since 1st January 2021. I think I'm correct to say that the "UK Unemployment %" graph at 09:16 is based on people claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If you are unemployed but not claiming Job Seekers allowance, how does the Government truly know you are unemployed? Our unemployment figures are down but our homeless figures have increased significantly over the same timeframe as the reducing unemployment.
Falling birth rates of British born potential parents is heavily dictated by the cost of housing, cost of day-care, cost of everything really and a huge dollop of uncertainty generated by many sources. If The Treasury truly believes they get more "bang for buck" from migrants then why exactly would you expect the British born youth to deliver more (technically) for less?
I am happy for legal migration that fills real job requirements. I am happy for a multi-cultural United Kingdom. I have been a migrant for many years to my wife's home country where I was very integrated and totally legal. My wife has been an immigrant to the UK, getting her UK Citizenship as soon as was possible and we have been here for > 20 years now. If you have read this far then thank you very much but people that haven't read this far will be assuming I'm a racist which is unfair as as yes, I am white British but my wife and our daughter, whilst both British are not and do not identify as white.
Please read House of Commons Library: UK Prison Population Statistics By Georgina Sturge 8 July 2024 You may need to question the benefits of ALL migrants some more because I don't know how you attribute a Treasury economic return to the victims of criminals and you may say "but there are just as many criminals per capita by groupings" and I will say read the "Religion of prisoners and the general population England and Wales; March 2024" chart and look at percentage of prison population vs share of the general population.
If we are going to continue with the belief that ALL migrants produce a net gain for the Treasury and ignore the uncomfortable truth that some societies have more bad apples per capita, then besides building more homes, how about building more jails?
If ALL migration is a win for the UK, then given the numbers that arrived in 2023, the UK should be booming now and there should be no need for the Chancellor of the Exchequer The Rt Hon Rachel Reeves MP to even think of removing the Winter Fuel Allowance from the UK Pensioners
Maybe you start watching the video first.
@@paxundpeace9970 Bearing in mind that my comment paragraphs were written whilst I paused each section of the video and that I even include timeline numeric references in my comment.......! If you've got nothing to say then I'm fine with that but don't try to shutdown conversation just because you don't agree.
Circular logic when it comes to productivity
In theory, lower immigration should force companies to invest in automation and thus improve productivity. But its worth comparing with Japan (no immigration, declining workforce). For some reason nominal wages there have been stagnant at 0.3% real terms wage growth over the past decade. Thoigh to be fair, they have been falling in the UK.
I think we need to look more at that danish study rather than say'i don't know much about it'. People often dismiss the specific origins of migrants because it's seen as racist. But it shows that people from a particular area, the middle East area, on the whole have never been a net contributor to society over their working life.
I don't think an equivalent safety 3 exists in the UK because everybody is too terrified of being called racist.
I think deep down we all know migrants from, say, Australia, will be far more valuable to our economy than, say, Pakistan. We should reflect this in our numbers, in my opinion.
Another point is that although more people = more demand and thus more work, I don't think those from poorer Asian countries are as demanding for products and healthcare as natives. They tend to huddle together and keep themselves to themselves, sending most money to their actual home while loving frugally in a transactional period of life, so I'm not sure that balances out
Can you point out the source of your claims, please? Otherwise, it would be just misinformation. My anecdotal experience doesn't agree with your likely false claim. The CEOs and founders behind Google DeepMind, the only successful deep tech AI company in the UK are both of Mediterranean and Arab origins.
There's around 10 million unproductive people in the UK.
Bliar extended (Widened) The scope of Disability to include Depression, Anxiety, Overweight, Alcoholism, etc etc to encourage Welfare Dependency! And by doing so, paved the way for Migrant Demand from Industry. - Regime Policy of SHELVING to replace UK Workforce.
Clearly explained. Thanks.
Watching from Sri Lanka
"Facts" - problem is some of these studies have worked back from the conclusion they were told to produce.
I bet this guy lives in London and wears yellow corduroy trousers ..... what a belter !!!! he needs to try explaining this to the white people in Bradford , Luton , Birmingham , oldham , leicester etc etc etc
Nice video but it assumes there’s no government bias in the studies they run or data they release. For example, what is the crime rate amongst immigrants in the UK? They’ve never released this data. You’d think it would be an important factor for immigration policy.
You can find offenders conviction rates by ethnicity and prison population by nationality, religion, ethnicity . This is a pretty good proxy, not sure having all offenders nationality whether imprisoned or not would add much extra. Can already see which groups are over/underrepresented
They haven't released any in the last 14 years when the conservative party was in charged.
Not unless you want to start persecuting people on the basis of race or ethnicity. If one ethnicity were found to commit 10-20% more crime than another it is not a reason to tar an entire group of people with the same brush.
Also any analysis would also be skewed by the fact more migrants live in big cities with cameras everywhere and high rates of reported crime over small towns and villages where crimes are more likely to go unreported.
The real cost that's unmeasurable is the destruction of the British social fabric.
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My dad's business employs cheap foreign labour and in doing so he does not have to increase wages that is why the minimum wage does not increase in line with inflation. Come on.
As a legal imigrant (skilled worker visa) I am not eligible for nearly any benefits
Should have come illegally!
Free hotels, mobile, travel tickets, meals & spending money on a credit card.
I cant understand why people come to the UK, there is nothing here, and everyone is leaving (inc myself) as it’s got so bad, and will get so much worse, the future isn’t bright and politicians and civil servants only drive the country further into more decline for their own benefit.
Or as they have put it themselves ‘5 more years of managed decline’
That's the way it should be. It should take decades to be eligible because it's the infrastructure, resources, skills and advantages Brits have spent centuries creating. A few years in the country doesn't compare to that. I assume you use the roads built, housing built, free NHS, infrastructure, and economical advancement we provide too.
@@Camille_Anderson i do not deny that. The autor of the video said that that immigrants can take advantage of benefits so addressed that. These are your (Brits) rules, I knew them before I moved in and so I am not complaining now. UK has still a lot to offer.
As part of the legal migrants who have paid about £1100 for NHS service per year, working FT and spending locally, I assure everyone that we are contributing to the UK economy, probably even more than most British citizens do
We are pretty sick of being scapegoats by some unwise Brits claiming that migrants are burdens cos most of us are obviously not. It is those who get benefits of all sorts from the government and don't any job or pay taxes are.
The way you word the point about the impact on house prices is a bit off, migration causes a 1% increase in house prices for each 1% it contributes to population growth, not the percentage of net migration vis. the total population.
That's proper facts with references.
I'd love to add to this discussion, but I'm afraid of the repercussions of anything I may say. I don't want a 3am wake up call from the police. Thanks in passing...oh and hail the regime!
If you are afraid because you are wanting to not talk about immigration and write hate about immigrants then better not post. If you have some facts that are pertinent to the discussion, this is not hate, please feel free to discuss any point that does not victimise anybody, and preferably with evidence based reasoning.
@@JamesKerr-z4o I actually wanted to voice my opinions about the current p$$$ce s**te that we are seeing being brought in, and also some pertinent facts regarding immigration and certain people's desire regarding that. I'm not far right, I'm a realist. But I also understand that saying the wrong thing online could result in a prison sentence, so I shall remain silent. As I said, I do not desire an early wake up call via battering ram by the police.
@@JamesKerr-z4o Surprisingly enough my detailed reply was deleted. Common theme these days on this platform. Hail Starmer!
@@klawlor3659 I can’t comment as I could not see it. But I think you should consider Kier has introduced no laws against protesting, these laws were introduced under the Tories, probably as a reaction to Stop Oil protests, but to be honest I can’t claim to know their motives definitively.
So it destroys cultural cohesion and is a net negative for the economy, but we still have to have it because reasons.
Immigration is one of those things that as many people might not like, it's needed, the main reason being is birth rates in modern countries are too low and not enough as a replacement rate.
On the surface, that sounds like a fine thing, a population decline, but the problem is that there is an imbalance on the population because of the boom after the second world war, basically, there are becoming more older people and not enough younger people, that's putting a massive burden on taxes and public services, without immigration, this problem would become far worse with governments having less tax revenue coming in, meaning either higher taxes for everyone else or lower spending on public services at a time when it needs more spending.
Then there is also the job shortage, the simple truth is, there are many jobs that the natives don't want to do, and if a business can't get the workers locally, they'll end up shipping out and do business elseware, taking that economic activity with them.
This is an issue that is hitting almost all modern countries that have a birthrate lower than 2.1, hence why immigration across almost all modern countries is high and likely to get higher as there is no easy solution to fix this problem until the balance from young and old is more balanced, which will take many decades for that to happen, or people start having more kids to balance it out.
Eventually this will correct its self out overtime but that's decades off and in the short term, things are likely going to get worse before they get better as people are living longer and the percentage over 50 is increasing, but a solution might come about that could solve all this problem, A.I. and robotics, that could solve the cost of labour, the amount of workers needed and reduce taxes by a lot, but A.I. and robotics will bring another problem, not enough work to go around which will impact the younger generation the most, the irony being is that A.I. and robotics could flip things on it's head that the main issue isn't the older generation but finding work for the younger generation as A.I. and robotics replaces most of the jobs.
But I will say one thing, even thought there's not much they can do in lowering immigration numbers, they could do far better on integrating these immigrants into society, I suspect a big problem people have with immigration isn't so much the numbers but that many of them don't integrate into society, I also feel that governments need to start facing off the rich elites and start listening to the concerns of the average citizens when it comes to cost of living and shortage of houses, a lot of these issues have been created by the rich elites that don't want as many houses being built because it pushes up the price of the ones they've bought, and with the cost of living, everything being more expensive is profitable for them, immigration is the scapegoat being used in many countries to cover up the real cracks in society which is lack of housing and cost of living.
As for immigration, I find the best policy is to help develop the countries from where they are coming from, if there is less reason for them to move, they likely wont and then we have a natural flow of people movement across the world, I know that's easier said than done but that is the solution that would solve this problem over the long run, and it's something we see in the EU as the EU helps develop the eastern EU members, it reduces the influx of people moving westward and in fact, people from the west of the EU start moving towards the east in a more natural flow of people movment.
If immigration contributes to declining birth rates, your argument collapses ….. rising rents and property prices driven, in part, by rapid increases in population make it increasingly difficult to settle down and have kids
Just read the book “Less” by Patrick Grant - has many interesting ideas and I will highly recommend it😀
This STUPID practice or the law that just because a person is born in any country should be given that country's citizenship must be changed. Any person other than the ones who are genetically native to the land should be given citizenship, if they are born in a country, ONLY IF THEY AGREE, ACCEPT, RESPECT AND PRACTICE THE LANGUAGE, CULTUTRE, VALUES AND THE WAYS OF THAT COUNTRY and RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION, WHEN THEY BECOME ADULTS, period!! This should be documented and signed by that person.
The "net contribution UK budget" tab is hugely misleading. It shows that UK budget spends 4x more on UK-born than on migrants. It should also compare on how many UK-born and on how many migrants. Also, it should consider the age, surely older population get more out of the budget but they usually contributed whole their working life. Finally, migrant children are UK-born; however, if they attract more spending on average, they should also be considered in addressing the immigration impact on the budget. We repeat that immigration is good for the economy, but if we have a system that gives away money to people who don't contribute to the economy, how we are so sure we don't attract immigration that is actually detrimental for the economy by adding burden on the social welfare?
Summarising, non-EU migrants DO NOT have better impact on the budget that UK-born. Probably their impact is much worse but this data is incapable of assessing that. The only think the table shows is that EU migration was positive for the budget and non-EU is negative. Considering these are usually working-age people is frightening to even think how they contribution will change with time and especially when they grow old and further increase the strain on the systems.
Bine va fac migrantii. Asa va trebuie. Ma bucur enorm pentru ceea ce se intampla.
Oh yes. People are fungible. This is why people hate economists.
British Population 2024 --- 100,000,000
Official numbers are corrupted for political reasons.
Over 70 -- 12,000,000
Over 60 -- 21,000,000
Financially for the British government it would be convenient to reduce life expectancy.
How could this be achieved?
British housing crisis resolved.
This applies to all Western countries.
If you remove 10m people from the UK (equivalent to migration growth over the last 25 years plus 2m illegals nobody ever talks about) and send them to Greenland, you would immediately remove the need for building 1.5m homes, the NHS would be free from queues, productivity would massively increase, along with wages, our prison population would reduce, and we would all be a lot happier. You could then privatise the NHS and pay an insurance premium for all UK residents/citizens. Everybody else pays. Then we would be a good place to live.
Price of housing is not the issue in the UK, it is availability, which is 100% down to immigration.
Since 2023 and reduction in migrants most lorry drivers are £20k per year better off. Wages have been depressed by migrants.
Most migrants when they work in the UK are in the bottom 10 percentile from a wage perspective. You have high population growth of people who work in non productive areas like hospitality and low level services creating little value, high fiscal drag and minimal tax revenues. This is why our GDP per capita and productivity is so poor.
BTW to sort the carer problem out pay them £25 per hour, you will have no problem with recruitment.
As for this video it is not credible from a financial or economic point of view.
When you say to pay them £25 per hour, who do you think carers are paid by?🤦♂️
Agree, video is from a Left wing perspective.
@@VinoVeritas_ In the first instant their employer whom is paid by their customer. After that it becomes more complicated it maybe in the private sector it maybe in the public sector. But you could pay £25 per hour, there is nothing stopping you.
Anyway it is not what you pay somebody it is what they cost you. NHS pay may be low, but benefits are massive and costed hours attended amongst the highest in the country. The doctors pay increase may only cost £350 million per annum, however their total costs are increased by over £1bn per annum and one could argue that since they are relatively young at todays rates it will cost the country £60bn.
@@hughbasham4389 So when you start paying low skilled carers £25 per hour, what happens to the wages of skilled workers?
@@VinoVeritas_ I don't care, I am just proving the point that people who don't understand economics and numbers should not run their mouths pretending to be experts. This bloke is talking rubbish. We don't need migrants because we have a shortage of carers, we have a shortage of carers because we pay them shite money.
Great video!!
Well, I’m afraid you wound me up the wrong way at the very beginning of that video when you said that the British Isles has a long history of immigration. With all respect, I’m so sick of hearing this historical nonsense. I don’t believe there’s any evidence that Romans immigrated here in any significant numbers. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes did come in significant numbers, but that was a very, very long time ago. The truth is that between the creation of the English state in the 10th century and the Second World War, virtually nobody came to this country (the Normans were a small conquering elite). The immigration we are experiencing now is utterly unprecedented in the history of England.
I would question the whole notion of a labour shortage. You refer to the lump of labour fallacy when you say that immigrants don’t take the jobs of natives because increasing population increases both the supply of labour and the demand for it. Indeed and therefore increasing the supply of immigrant labour increases the demand for immigrant labour. Just because an employer advertises a job, that doesn’t mean that that job needs to be done. Some people have said that without immigration, some restaurants might have to close. So what? Restaurant food is not a human right.
Yes, we rely heavily on foreign labour for the NHS. This is a choice we have made. But it is worth pointing out that the majority (63%, I believe) of medical malpractice cases that go before the GMC are of foreign-trained doctors. This should probably not be surprising as in countries more corrupt than ours, it is possible to obtain fake medical qualifications.
I’m interested that you say that the government can “use the money“ that migrants pay in taxes to fund public services. Does this mean you reject the MMT idea that taxes do not pay for public services? Is it really the case that the government cannot build a road without first importing restaurant workers and delivery drivers so that it can tax them and therefore “get the money“ for the road?
What about the impact of limited capital (factories, infrastructure etc) as you add more workers the marginal revenue that each worker brings falls. There is less capital per worker with mass immigration. Further worsening the UKs lack of investment problem.
This is bad news for wages
There’s so many people from India and Pakistan in the UK? A lot of them are clearly not born here. So why?
Around 300k to 500k emigrate out of UK every year, combine that with lower birth rates then you realise at very least half a million immigrants are required annually but its impossible to have a one on one out policy I understand that but last years figures do seem crazy. Even Looks like Tories let things go out of control to have something to fight the election on knowing that Labour are perceived to be more pro immigration.
The first chart says it all.
Uk politicians have always downplayed the positives of immigration.
Fireign Students are abandoning uk now . They are going elsewhere
Universities are in financial trouble due to the decrease in international students
most coming in don’t work
Why didn't you include capital shallowing and its affect on productivity. Only a very fringe group of people are anti-immigration, however, the volume and quality do matter, whereas your video doesn't show this at all
where did you get the idea that it is only a 'very fringe' group..?
70% of the population favour a reduction in immigration.
@@ontheslide2339 why do you think otherwise? Undeniably, people have voted for less immigration, and that is understandable
Before you even get to there, the UK Economy has had a productivity problem relative to our peers for decades. Even Before immigration was a thing. And every government swerved the problem. And employers too. They all was experienced staff that they don't need to invest in training them. The free lunch is no longer on the menu, but the bill for what has been served for decades is now being paid. Especially as the financial sector is no longer able to carry the rest of the economy, and is quietly cutting costs to maintain margins in the face lower returns in the near future.
UK is struggling with industrial production for decades@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
The Qatari system works.. but would it work in the uk
what about crime? looking at you Sweden.
Woody Harrelson does it again!
Any person with even minimal common sense and a basic understanding of demographic trends knows that what is going on in the last 30 years has forever changed British society.
I approve of immigration because all ex-Christian societies (including Britain) have fertility rates below 1.6 whereas the replacement level is 2.09.
However, we all know that more than half of the immigrants of the past 30 years belong to a religion that at its core opposes the pluralistic and democratic values of Britain and wish to replace it with something else.
Currently they are roughly 1 in 6 of all people residing permanently in the UK.
By mid century and assuming the current immigration and migration trends continue they will constitute 33% of the population.
When this happens many urban zones will be populated exclusively by them and they will engage in a war of attrition to exhaust Britain so the current system can be transformed (appeasement in the name of tolerance and out of economic necessity will be the first stage before total surrender until the final stage of all out civil conflict takes place).
It has been the same everywhere for the past 1,400 years and only a fool would think it will be any different in Britain.
Simply too many,
I'm absolutely fine with any number of immigrants in to this country ... *on the condition that* .. they all bring their own house with them.
A long but limited history over 2000 years of immigration is a more accurate.
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Wow you’ve really improved your graphics! Great presentation.
Well Sweden and Germany are certainly being enriched how is that working out Sherlock.
For starters you confuse the terms "immigration" and "migration" which makes it difficult to take you seriously had you even spoke sense and had your figures been true. (You don't and the figures are mostly false).
You use both terms as if they mean the same thing so here is a short English lesson for you ;
Migration = Britons leaving Britain to settle in other countries.
Immigration = Non-Britons leaving their home countries to settle in Britain.
Ask the picts and celts how they feel about immigration.