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@@ruairiodonohoe2533I mean it is and it isn't it's not like the Romans were like A GOD OF THE OCEAN WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT But regardless that doesn't change the fact that the names are Roman and not Greek. Jupiter may have been a copy of Zeus, but that doesn't mean that Jupiter is a Greek name.
I read the book after seeing the movie, and honestly I think Suzanne Collins nailed the inner monologue of a narcissist justifying the horrible things they do. It was chilling how little Snow questioned himself when it dawned on him that Lucy Gray's death would make it possible for him to go back to his old life.
I often wondered if Tigris eating raw meat was an indication that she herself partook in cannibalism during the war. Maybe that’s even some of the food she brought home.
Would be fitting since (as much as i think) the siege of the Capitol may be inspired by the siege of Leningrad during WW2. Back then Russian soldiers had to feed on their fallen comrades. Edit: Yeah i forgot that cannibalism is literally mentioned in the ballad of songbird and snake
Even though it’s never confirmed, since the book mentions how good of a singer Katniss’ dad was, I have a strong feeling that he was descended from a former member of the Covey.
That would make sense, since he knew the Hanging Tree song (and taught Katniss) and there was no way he existed when it was sang before being forbidden
It really showed at the end of Mockingjay when they had their final conversation about how he didn't bomb the children. Katniss knew snow had no issue killing kids but not without a reason. I know it's kinda left up in the air because of how he acted after katniss shot coin, and he could've been manipulating her but idk if there's a point in the books or movies that snow ever actually lied to her. Manipulated yes but lied 🤷.
I do love how Granmam, Snow and Tigris are the three aproaches to ideologies. You have the extreme fanatic in Granmam, the neutral player in Snow and the benevolent saviour in Tigris
You know, you saying that Snow and Katniss were actually a lot alike really hit me, because I had never considered that. They absolutely HAD been in survivor mode all their lives, and here is a girl who is obviously brave enough to step up and take her little sister's place in the games, who is audacious enough to shoot an arrow AT THE GAMEMAKERS, and rebellious enough to threaten to leave the Games without ANY victor; I'm sure he saw a lot of his own qualities in Katniss...and THAT is what made him view her as a dangerous enemy! Obviously, the whole Lucy Gray angle of the prequel had something to do with it too, but even more than her part in his past was just his own existence.
I think Katniss represents so much to Snow. Part of him he sees himself in her, also the reminders of Lucy Gray (her name katniss, hanging tree song, district 12) and Sejanus' stupid rebellious nature.
Fun fact: the idea of abundant feasts (aka shameful act of gluttony) with the liquid to be able to keep eating well past being full was originally inspired by Ancient Greek elite feasts who did the same thing (this is just based on what I learned in high school. I’m not sure if it’s true or how much of it is true). Collins’ influence and inspiration from ancient times can be found in every nook and cranny of the Hunger Games series.
Vomitorium meant hallway. Thats a myth that they threw it up. Also if youre going to perpetrate a myth do it right. It was the Romans who that myth is about
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 I did technically claim the knowledge I had BASED ON WHAT I KNOW. All you have to do is state what is actually right based on what you know(question mark). I am not claiming to be an expert historian about the subject. I’m sorry if I came off that way. And correction where correction is due…is due where it’s due. We don’t want misinformation to spread. And you have every right to correct mine. But there’s a way to go about it. In my area of expertise, I hear ALL the time about how the Queen Mary in Long Beach, California was in trouble of sinking due to great disrepair. This is distressing to me and damaging to ship’s reputation because I have plenty of evidence to prove this isn’t true. But many people who have heard this and believe it don’t deserve average Redditor scrutiny from me about it. Simply to be informed. They’re not hungry for the knowledge and aren’t inclined to do more research. I could yell at them about not doing their research. But thats not very helpful for them. And that’s what communication is all about. Humans are full of errors. Oh. That’s right. I’m human. Doesn’t that help me to empathize with my fellow person rather than grow some haughty superiority complex? If they see how, actually, the Queen Mary’s hull has been in very good shape and the reasons for it, perhaps they can be…enlightened instead of torn down. Because isn’t the world a cold and cruel enough place already?
Because the movie lacks Snow's internal monologue from the book, most of his actions lack context and we are seeing him from the perspective of the outside observer, where in the book we are seeing everything from his perspective. This is intentional and was by the request of the author; That way we can attain two perspectives and if you haven't read the book or watched the movie, I strongly recommend watching the movie first, then reading the book because both paint a different picture of Snow. In Snow's mind all his actions are justified, from an outside observation he appears to be opportunistic, paranoid and crazy. In the book we learn that from the start the only two people he truly cares about are his grandmother and his sister. Secondly, his "friend" isn't his friend as far as Snow is concerned, the guy is just someone who decided to hang out him and Snow simply put up with him, to Snow, the guy was simply a tool. As far as Grey was concerned, Snow wanted to own her, he saw her as a trophy, a comfort for his own selfish ends and little more, her actions were suspicious enough for him to conclude she was going to dob him in because by that point he had drunk the cool-aid and had grown to believe that humans are savages by nature and she would betray him to save her own hide.
I've only just watched BoSaS and haven't read so I'm glad I read Snow in the movie as merely wanting to own Lucy rather than any genuine emotions for her
really? do you have an article that mentions suzanne collins intentions with the film? because i cant find anything and to me the film just seemed rushed and kinda cheap
"...what should have been a 4-hour movie..." I think I can agree with that. Or maybe they should have brought Collins in so she could help adapt it like she did for the first movie and for the 2 Mockingjay films. That, or they should have made it a limited series. There was just too much truly important stuff that was left out or seriously rushed. They don't spend any time with Snow building an ACTUAL bond with Sejanus; after going through basic training and spending a couple of weeks in 12 and finding out he won't get paid for a MONTH so he can't send money home, Snow literally IS at his lowest point and considering suicide, so when Sejanus shows up in 12, it's truly a relief and he actually finally becomes a real friend to Snow. (Also, I'd have loved to spend time with them bonding with their fellow Peacekeepers and seeing them get their squad nicknames, "Gent" [Snow] and "Bullseye" [Sejanus].) And then the slow buildup and the little bits and pieces that happen as Snow discovers Sejanus is lying about being broke and finding out bit by bit what he's actually up to. I mean, I went in to this book KNOWING what Snow becomes and convinced I wasn't going to like him and root for him, but I DO, and I can see where he might have become a better person; I can see him gain empathy and understanding, while at the same time there is this hard part of him, this nugget of entitlement; the more people call Lucy Gray "his girl" (how they refer to her as a Tribute, as "his" tribute, his songbird, his girl), the more possessive he starts to feel over her, so that when he shows up in 12 he's jealous of Billy Taupe because Lucy Gray doesn't "belong" to Billy Taupe anymore, she's _his_ girl now. Despite the fact that he hasn't even spoken to her in weeks. We didn't get the time to see that develop. Collins writes her books as 3 acts, and those acts are broken down further into 3 more sections -- inciting incident, rising action, payoff -- so surely that would have made it very adaptable for TV.
Completely agreed!! There's a part that I consider important, where he calls her "his girl" and she tells him because she saved his life and he saved hers they now belong to each other... I feel like that part helps us understand that their relationship goes more into possession and survival than love but the movie doesn't allow us to get into that.
Only recently have I discovered that reaction videos are a thing. I am not a huge internet person, obviously! It makes me wonder how much these will effect the future of filmmaking because they will see how much of the point the audience is missing. For example, there is so much arguing about whether Lucy Gray is alive when the unknown is the whole point. I've read the book several times and barely registered her namesake ballad's lyrics in the movie. I hope that the industry studies the takeaway and gets even better.
(Sigh) I disagree that Collins wrote Snow as someone whose statements Katniss could believe - or that he was known as a trustworthy (if evil) person. Everything about Snow is ruthless and manipulative - so there’d be no reason to think he WOULDN’T exploit someone’s reliance on the veracity of his words. Snow doesn’t lie for two reasons: First, he has Katniss between a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t NEED to lie - nothing would be served by it. Rather, Snow would benefit more by being clear, direct and unequivocal: ensuring Katniss understood his wishes and the ramifications of failing to comply. Second, being able to speak openly and honestly - and to threaten someone without fear of repercussions - is the ultimate display of power and confidence. Such a display would reinforce to Katniss how strong and secure Snow was in his capacity and ability to control others. Lying to Katniss would be to expose weakness - which is the very last thing he wants to do. As an aside: You seem to have missed an element of the naming conventions in the districts: People tend to be named after THINGS versus their inherent traits - akin to how the Capitol views them as non-human entities. The district folk know their only value to the Capitol is in the products and gratuitious entertainment they provide - that’s literally how the Capitol views them: Lumber. Coal. Produce. Meat. Fish. Grain. Tech items. Luxury goods. Etc. So rather than naming children based on the positive attributes one hopes they’ll have (like strength, loyalty, grace, wisdom) they’re named in keeping with the only value that has any meaning in their world: (1) as an item (Peeta, Cashmere, Clove), as an element of an item (Gloss, Glimmer, Blight, Chaff), as a means of procuring an item (Thresh, Seeder) - or (2) as an element of superhuman strength and violence (Brutus, Marvel, Enobaria).
When I read the songbirds and snakes one part that really stood out to me was how Snow always called Lucy Gray “his girl”. I know that’s a fairly common thing to do but the way he was saying it really messed me up. He meant it in the normal dating way but it also felt more than that, like saying “that’s my book, you can’t read it.” Or “that’s my dog, it won’t bit me.” When he said it it felt so much more possessive.
The movie brought in one line that addressed what the plot had never outright said the whole while. During Acts 1 & 2 the books made it clear Snow had a decision to make between prioritizing himself,his future, and exceptionalism OR embrace love, empathy, and mediocrity. However the choice was never clear cut until the final act. He never had to choose between the two and could play at both without admitting to anyone let alone himself where he really stood. Act 3, the move to the districts, was finally when the choices had distinct paths. He gets a real sample of what the end of each road could entail and has to start choosing before it’s made for him. While you can always choose to turn to back or do things differently it’s also important to keep in mind every time you make a choice it becomes easier to make another one like it and harder to turn back. Snow’s slippery slope started with Bobbin, although that wasn’t much of a choice, but it made it easier to turn in Sejanus, and even easier to rationalize the mayor’s daughter. The Penultimate decision was Lucy Gray, to turn on her was a leap, but with everything else he’d already done and the greener grass just on the other side, it didn’t seem like an impossible one.
The entire time i was reading this book and getting into the meat of it, I had a feeling he would do something to Lucy Gray. He constantly talked about being unsure about her and her motives he constantly was battling himself and the capital but at the end of the day, coryo is a capital cog and he fell directly into it
The book really adds a ton of subtext that the movies just cant relay. Despite amy critical opinion, I love this whole series and when Ballad came out, i was all about it.
See I think Snow's biggest mistake was putting the responsibility of spin on others, especially Katniss. All he had to do was have an interview with Flickerman, with Katniss and Peta in tow, where he claims responsibility for the rule change, and it's last minute enforcement. Paint Seneca as cruel and power grasping, and that it was Snow who saved the Star Crossed Lovers. Now Katniss isn't a symbol of rebellion, and Snow has shown that the capital is "fair and generous".
18:33 i always thought she had that done TO HER. when we meet her in mockingjay she said something about she was a stylist “til snow didn’t think she was pretty enough” Since she was sympathetic to the tributes i thought Snow made her into the same kind of animals he views the districts as. Just my head canon.
I've always found it fascinating how Katniss' adolescent egocentrism coupled with her first person pov shapes all of our thoughts of this world. For example, in the first book, she falls asleep in a tree and a fire drives her back. In her thoughts, the gamemakers do this to make things more interesting, and that's what we see in the movie. But really it could have been scheduled and nothing to do with her. It's a very cool thing to think about.
I haven't read the books so my theory about Snow is based on the film. I believe Snow's priorities to always being money & power. He had possessive affection for Tigra and his Grandma because of their support. Lucy was a means to an end so (like Tigra and Grandma) had some affection for her because she was helping him. When he was caught cheating, he didn't have a choice to stay, so he wanted to be near someone who supported him. While he was in district 12 he manipulated so he could earn a return to the capital. His friend's antics sabotaged his potential return so he planned to go with his supporter (Lucy Gray). But the instant he realized he could destroy the evidence of his crime he wanted to return to his comfortable life (living in the woods was not fun for him). One leftover snag, the witness who knew too much; Lucy. It wasn't a surprise that he turned on her. She recognized her danger as soon as she realized what that gun meant. She had to escape that clingy, dangerous Snow. If it was worth it he would turn on Tigra (which he did) and his Grandma.
18:33 suprised Tigris's s*x work is overlooked here. I see her appearance as being a result of a life of capitol exploitation. Snow being ultimatly right about what Tigris would be willing to do is not unlike his sweeping opinions of human nature being proven right through the games. Both prove him correct but they do so in highly unnatural, manufactured circumstances. It almost doesnt matter if snow is correct when he suspects tigris of selling sex or suspects lucy of being capable of "betraying" him-- he creates the circumstances that necessitate those kinds of choices. He believes the worst in people according to his personal ideas of morality and it retroactively justifies him in his eyes. Snow ultimately believes that people will do anything to survive and get ahead in life, that the cost of living is simply your life.
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12:21 they also both had a semi-useless mother figure, snows grandma because she had a privileged life and didn’t need to learn to do things for herself, and Katniss’s mother because she shut down after the death of her husband/katniss’s dad.
What if part of Snow's revenge on Tigris was to have her altered to resemble a real tiger? Instead of killing her, he just said, "You've always been a tiger at heart, so now you can become one."
That doesn't seem his style though. He's sneaky and subtle and relies on charm to get what he wants until that fails. Then he goes for treachery and poison. More likely he would've manipulated Tigris into getting more and more cosmetic changes (maybe even paying for them himself, maybe doing everything he can to boost her popularity) and then suddenly withdrawing all his financial and emotional support and abandoning her completely.
Nah. Snow is extremely practical in cruelty, not sadistic. I think Tigris chose to undergo the procedures on her own volition. The transformation could have been a way to separate herself from Snow and what he stood from, somehow; or to divorce herself from the horrors of humanity as she experienced them. Definitely escapism. When her transformation got too extreme even for the new, ultra extravagant and decadent Capitol standards, Snow simply removed her from the public eye so his name wouldn't be associated with hers. He effectively disowned her to avoid public shame. But Tigris actions were her own. She stayed true to herself and until the end, she stood for what she thought was right.
tigris' look was her choice, although it was informed by trauma and years of exploitation. in mockingjay, tigris says that the last time her and snow talked, he called her look "hideous"
15:00 I think Snow was falling in love with her, and that is why he turned the games into what they are. He knows how powerful a good show can be because he fell for Lucy Gray when she was probably just using him to stay alive.
my theory is that Tigers decided to leave because she might have found out what snow was going to finnick bc she had to do that too. to get food and other stuff
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The only problem i have with the depiction of Tigeres in the move is she's supposed to be 3 years older than Snow... even with the plastic surgery done which might cover a lot, she looked in her 40' or 50'...
Personally, I do think Lucy is Katniss' great-grandmother on her father's side. it's even possible that Gale's family (Which even Katniss has stated that they could almost pass for siblings) are a cousin-branch forgotten about because of the Covey's nomadic and mysterious nature. Katniss' father lived on the seam, her mother moved there from the wealthier part of 12. My theory is that after several years hiding on the edges of 12, around the Meadows, to make sure Snow wouldn't come back, and people forgot her face, Lucy had at the least, two sons with a man possessing the surname Everdeen, and Lucy, desperate to hide her identity from Snow, takes the last name herself, becoming Lucy Everdeen. These sons go on to have children, notably Katniss' own father. This is a strong case in my opinion, because the two songs Katniss sings are Lucy Gray's songs. She sang them first, and people repeated them for the popularity before one was banned for the 'rebellious nature'. But Lucy, knowing the crimes of the Capitol, kept her rebellious streak and taught her children the songs, but informed them never to sing them in public, and this lesson was passed down with the songs. Katniss basically says as much when her father taught the songs to her. That is why Katniss isn't just depressed and defeated, she's cynical and aware. Much like Lucy Gray was in her Games. Lucy knew very well it was just a sick way to punish them, a sentiment passed down for generations. Because Lucy lived it. Her children would forget bits and pieces over time, naturally, but Katniss would have picked up the same mentality from her father as a descendant of Lucy Gray, and that would explain why Katniss' father was willing to risk punishment to teach her how to survive. I read the book and enjoyed the conceptualizations it pulled. A little backstory here and some death there. A flaw to fix in the system. but overall, it felt a lot like reading Katniss from an outsider's perspective. Katniss could turn on the dazzle too when she wanted, but due to the harsh reality and trauma that surviving the 1oth hunger games caused, and being betrayed, Lucy's bright and performative personality became cold and closed off, which I see being passed down, as we are what were are raised from. What really tickles my theory is Lucy's comment about the name Katniss. It would be plausible that the name concept was passed down each generation until they finally had a girl to name Katniss Everdeen, the last Mockingjay, Great-Granddaughter of Lucy Gray Baird, the first Mockingjay. Survival was in Katniss' odds all along.
Hmm,"bad guys don't have blue eyes".You mean like Hannibal Lector,Chucky,Magneto,Roy Batty,Most Nazis,Freddy Krueger,Voldemort,Blofeld.Well,what do I know.
i saw the movie first so i was taken aback by snows 'sudden' change but then it clicked that the signs were always there. his actions were always selfish, even when he was helping lucy or sejanus, he was doing it for himself. however, when i read the book, jesus christ, it made so much sense. it was so cool to have an explanation for his actions.
Amazing video! Never thought about how the mockingjays singing 'The Hanging Tree' after Lucy Gray ran away were reminding Snow of his betrayal of Sejanus. Also, the line about murdering three shortly after Snow said he killed three people.
I think something really deep down in Snow, was interested in how Katniss played the game. As though he’s enjoying (in a sense) the competition and mind games. A competition he may not have had since those first games he mentored. I don’t know if that makes sense how I worded it. Like how the Riddler loves playing intellectual games with the enemies he feels are worthy and challenging enough to solve his clues and riddles.
Fun fact, in Spanish grandma'am is translated as "abuelatriz" which is a mix of the world grandma (abuela) and empress (emperatriz). We somehow managed to get even more imperial 😂
15:32 Tigris is a therian icon lol, and she's beautiful both inside and out ;w; how dare Katniss call her grotesque. If only she saw the Cats film then she'd know exactly what a "grotesque" human-cat hybrid would look like *shudder*.
I really appreciate Snow as a character now. A lot of times antagonists are seemingly evil just for the sake of it and with little backstory as to how they got there. The prequel did a great job in not only portraying how he ended up where he is but “why”. Such though you can even sympathise and imagine yourself ending up like that if you were put under the same circumstances. Human beings are complex and they behave the way they do for a reason, and a reason that you would only understand if you heard the full story.
I always interpreted that Tigris and Snow had a falling-out because it was Snow who was secretly manipulating her. Eventually her ideals and his clashed and perhaps he may have been the reason why she was so surgically and genetically altered. He could have cruelly forced her to take plastic surgery and body modifications. I think one day Snow decided that she was now longer publicly attractive or appealing for corporate and government sponsorship, hence why he fired her from her profession.
we do see the first signs of Tigris and Snow falling out at the end of the movie but i think that would happen after their grandma dies. i like to think the real reason why he fired her was because knew the war was going to happen.
THANK YOU! I really think they should have split this one up into two parts and gave us a more expanded version on snows time as a peace keeper . Amazing videos ❤
Regarding Prim's death. Snow just confirmed what Katniss already thought. I don't remember if the movie showed BeeTee and Gale making the gift boxes that blew up twice and Katniss seeing this. She knew District 13 had the bombs.
I can’t believe he’s Str8!?! Huh, goes to show you never know 🤷♂️! I mean there’s nothing wrong with being Str8 to each his own. Just a little surprised is all. I do love this channel ❣️
I noticed towards the end gulge (don’t know if I spelled the name right) had her outfit change into red through out the movie, what I thought of it was her outfit slowly turning red for every person she killed, or her revealing her false purity
For such easy reads the hunger games books are really very good. Memorable characters and moments, thought provoking, etc. And the movies are among the best adaptions.
To be fair with the JFK in Oppenheimer, I recently rewatched Titanic and that film is the same with Freud and Picasso. So idk every movie does it. Silly of the screenwriters, I guess?
It’s funny how even after Snow’s fall and defeat in the second rebellion, he still managed to land on top, convincing Katniss to kill President Coin, his rival.
When Lucy wrote the song Sejanus was still alive. The song is for Arlo Chance, the man they hang when Snow first arrives to 12, since he supposedly caused an explosion in the mines and k1ll3d 2 peacekeepers and a mine worker
I think coryo was like that because when he got sent to be a peacekeeper he regretted cheating in the games so he became patriotic, and loyal so he became like that but he met Lucy before and he was in love with her because she was like the capitol to her but when she ran away he felt like his old good memories of the capitol and being a student were finally over
It's also worth mentioning that Gaul pretty much owns Snow, as she knew about what he did to Sejanus, and his whole fortune is based on Sejanus' parents, who are blissfully unaware that the heir to their fortune sent their only son to the hanging tree. She could end that whole life for him pretty easy.
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@melodiclogic9904 this. They're a terrible business. They also offered free therapy to the israeli soldiers commiting literal g*nocide so add that to the list of reasons why better help sucks
@@thederpypikachu9873 they should be offering free assistance to the thousands of traumatised Palestinians, especially the children who are watching their families be martyred.
Bryce: Suzanne Collins loves Greek names
All The Roman Names in The Series: Are we a joke to you?
Even Panem is a Roman Proverb: Give them Circus, Give them Bread. 😂
Roman Mythology is literally just knockoff Greek
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 it is Greek Mythology with difftrent names on the gods
@@ruairiodonohoe2533I mean it is and it isn't it's not like the Romans were like A GOD OF THE OCEAN WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT
But regardless that doesn't change the fact that the names are Roman and not Greek. Jupiter may have been a copy of Zeus, but that doesn't mean that Jupiter is a Greek name.
I was looking for this comment. So frustrating to hear him talk about greek names and then end up saying roman names 🙈
I read the book after seeing the movie, and honestly I think Suzanne Collins nailed the inner monologue of a narcissist justifying the horrible things they do. It was chilling how little Snow questioned himself when it dawned on him that Lucy Gray's death would make it possible for him to go back to his old life.
Was Lucy Gray dead at the end of the book.
@@itsblitz4437 It's not conclusive.
@@Gigglingsiren Leaving him forever tortured I guess. Neat :)
I often wondered if Tigris eating raw meat was an indication that she herself partook in cannibalism during the war. Maybe that’s even some of the food she brought home.
That's such a good point!
Maybe. But eating raw meat is (was) fairly normal for the iron and fat soluble vitamins.
Would be fitting since (as much as i think) the siege of the Capitol may be inspired by the siege of Leningrad during WW2. Back then Russian soldiers had to feed on their fallen comrades.
Edit: Yeah i forgot that cannibalism is literally mentioned in the ballad of songbird and snake
I wish we got more information about the Dark Days like it's origins.
wow could be possible
Even though it’s never confirmed, since the book mentions how good of a singer Katniss’ dad was, I have a strong feeling that he was descended from a former member of the Covey.
That would make sense, since he knew the Hanging Tree song (and taught Katniss) and there was no way he existed when it was sang before being forbidden
@@bear3s exactly.
I read there is a theory shes descent from Maude Ivory, since its said she could remember any song after listening to it once.
@@sebastianvilchez6453 yes, that is a theory that floats around out there.
It’s insane how Katniss can both hate and trust Snow so much, he truly learned that lesson😂
It really showed at the end of Mockingjay when they had their final conversation about how he didn't bomb the children. Katniss knew snow had no issue killing kids but not without a reason. I know it's kinda left up in the air because of how he acted after katniss shot coin, and he could've been manipulating her but idk if there's a point in the books or movies that snow ever actually lied to her. Manipulated yes but lied 🤷.
I do love how Granmam, Snow and Tigris are the three aproaches to ideologies. You have the extreme fanatic in Granmam, the neutral player in Snow and the benevolent saviour in Tigris
You know, you saying that Snow and Katniss were actually a lot alike really hit me, because I had never considered that. They absolutely HAD been in survivor mode all their lives, and here is a girl who is obviously brave enough to step up and take her little sister's place in the games, who is audacious enough to shoot an arrow AT THE GAMEMAKERS, and rebellious enough to threaten to leave the Games without ANY victor; I'm sure he saw a lot of his own qualities in Katniss...and THAT is what made him view her as a dangerous enemy! Obviously, the whole Lucy Gray angle of the prequel had something to do with it too, but even more than her part in his past was just his own existence.
i think Lucy Gray angle has everything do with when come to Katniss, it is one reason he went back to 12 all those years later.
I'm not really sure, Snow wouldn't have done any of those things if he was in her place, he was quite a coward compared to Katniss
Katniss is the child that Snow and Gray never had. A questionable fusion of each of their qualities.
I think Katniss represents so much to Snow. Part of him he sees himself in her, also the reminders of Lucy Gray (her name katniss, hanging tree song, district 12) and Sejanus' stupid rebellious nature.
Fun fact: the idea of abundant feasts (aka shameful act of gluttony) with the liquid to be able to keep eating well past being full was originally inspired by Ancient Greek elite feasts who did the same thing (this is just based on what I learned in high school. I’m not sure if it’s true or how much of it is true). Collins’ influence and inspiration from ancient times can be found in every nook and cranny of the Hunger Games series.
Vomitorium meant hallway. Thats a myth that they threw it up. Also if youre going to perpetrate a myth do it right. It was the Romans who that myth is about
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 fr it's so annoying when people don't research
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 I did technically claim the knowledge I had BASED ON WHAT I KNOW. All you have to do is state what is actually right based on what you know(question mark). I am not claiming to be an expert historian about the subject. I’m sorry if I came off that way. And correction where correction is due…is due where it’s due. We don’t want misinformation to spread. And you have every right to correct mine. But there’s a way to go about it.
In my area of expertise, I hear ALL the time about how the Queen Mary in Long Beach, California was in trouble of sinking due to great disrepair. This is distressing to me and damaging to ship’s reputation because I have plenty of evidence to prove this isn’t true. But many people who have heard this and believe it don’t deserve average Redditor scrutiny from me about it. Simply to be informed. They’re not hungry for the knowledge and aren’t inclined to do more research. I could yell at them about not doing their research. But thats not very helpful for them. And that’s what communication is all about. Humans are full of errors. Oh. That’s right. I’m human. Doesn’t that help me to empathize with my fellow person rather than grow some haughty superiority complex? If they see how, actually, the Queen Mary’s hull has been in very good shape and the reasons for it, perhaps they can be…enlightened instead of torn down. Because isn’t the world a cold and cruel enough place already?
Vomit meant "to spew forth," but it was the people themselves sprewing forth, not the contents of their stomachs.@ruairiodonohoe2533
No it's a myth about romans in antiquity
RIP to one of the best villain actors out there
Please keep making unnecessarily long Hunger Game's videos!
Yes please!!!
Something to clean the kitchen to
Yes please
Please make more
@@Gigglingsiren literally 😭
Because the movie lacks Snow's internal monologue from the book, most of his actions lack context and we are seeing him from the perspective of the outside observer, where in the book we are seeing everything from his perspective. This is intentional and was by the request of the author; That way we can attain two perspectives and if you haven't read the book or watched the movie, I strongly recommend watching the movie first, then reading the book because both paint a different picture of Snow. In Snow's mind all his actions are justified, from an outside observation he appears to be opportunistic, paranoid and crazy. In the book we learn that from the start the only two people he truly cares about are his grandmother and his sister. Secondly, his "friend" isn't his friend as far as Snow is concerned, the guy is just someone who decided to hang out him and Snow simply put up with him, to Snow, the guy was simply a tool.
As far as Grey was concerned, Snow wanted to own her, he saw her as a trophy, a comfort for his own selfish ends and little more, her actions were suspicious enough for him to conclude she was going to dob him in because by that point he had drunk the cool-aid and had grown to believe that humans are savages by nature and she would betray him to save her own hide.
I've only just watched BoSaS and haven't read so I'm glad I read Snow in the movie as merely wanting to own Lucy rather than any genuine emotions for her
really? do you have an article that mentions suzanne collins intentions with the film? because i cant find anything and to me the film just seemed rushed and kinda cheap
Ya know I liked Ballad of Song birds and Snakes finally a villains origin story that's actually a villains origin story
say it with me,kids
TIGRIS DESERVERD BETTER!
Faxs
Hoping for a book or short story about her
She's in my top three predictions for the newly announced book's pov. I think it will be either her, Flickerman, or the gamemaker.
"...what should have been a 4-hour movie..." I think I can agree with that. Or maybe they should have brought Collins in so she could help adapt it like she did for the first movie and for the 2 Mockingjay films. That, or they should have made it a limited series. There was just too much truly important stuff that was left out or seriously rushed. They don't spend any time with Snow building an ACTUAL bond with Sejanus; after going through basic training and spending a couple of weeks in 12 and finding out he won't get paid for a MONTH so he can't send money home, Snow literally IS at his lowest point and considering suicide, so when Sejanus shows up in 12, it's truly a relief and he actually finally becomes a real friend to Snow. (Also, I'd have loved to spend time with them bonding with their fellow Peacekeepers and seeing them get their squad nicknames, "Gent" [Snow] and "Bullseye" [Sejanus].) And then the slow buildup and the little bits and pieces that happen as Snow discovers Sejanus is lying about being broke and finding out bit by bit what he's actually up to.
I mean, I went in to this book KNOWING what Snow becomes and convinced I wasn't going to like him and root for him, but I DO, and I can see where he might have become a better person; I can see him gain empathy and understanding, while at the same time there is this hard part of him, this nugget of entitlement; the more people call Lucy Gray "his girl" (how they refer to her as a Tribute, as "his" tribute, his songbird, his girl), the more possessive he starts to feel over her, so that when he shows up in 12 he's jealous of Billy Taupe because Lucy Gray doesn't "belong" to Billy Taupe anymore, she's _his_ girl now. Despite the fact that he hasn't even spoken to her in weeks. We didn't get the time to see that develop.
Collins writes her books as 3 acts, and those acts are broken down further into 3 more sections -- inciting incident, rising action, payoff -- so surely that would have made it very adaptable for TV.
or maybe miniseries
Completely agreed!!
There's a part that I consider important, where he calls her "his girl" and she tells him because she saved his life and he saved hers they now belong to each other... I feel like that part helps us understand that their relationship goes more into possession and survival than love but the movie doesn't allow us to get into that.
Only recently have I discovered that reaction videos are a thing. I am not a huge internet person, obviously! It makes me wonder how much these will effect the future of filmmaking because they will see how much of the point the audience is missing. For example, there is so much arguing about whether Lucy Gray is alive when the unknown is the whole point. I've read the book several times and barely registered her namesake ballad's lyrics in the movie. I hope that the industry studies the takeaway and gets even better.
@@katiesmith2447 that is an interesting question
(Sigh) I disagree that Collins wrote Snow as someone whose statements Katniss could believe - or that he was known as a trustworthy (if evil) person. Everything about Snow is ruthless and manipulative - so there’d be no reason to think he WOULDN’T exploit someone’s reliance on the veracity of his words.
Snow doesn’t lie for two reasons:
First, he has Katniss between a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t NEED to lie - nothing would be served by it. Rather, Snow would benefit more by being clear, direct and unequivocal: ensuring Katniss understood his wishes and the ramifications of failing to comply.
Second, being able to speak openly and honestly - and to threaten someone without fear of repercussions - is the ultimate display of power and confidence. Such a display would reinforce to Katniss how strong and secure Snow was in his capacity and ability to control others. Lying to Katniss would be to expose weakness - which is the very last thing he wants to do.
As an aside: You seem to have missed an element of the naming conventions in the districts: People tend to be named after THINGS versus their inherent traits - akin to how the Capitol views them as non-human entities. The district folk know their only value to the Capitol is in the products and gratuitious entertainment they provide - that’s literally how the Capitol views them: Lumber. Coal. Produce. Meat. Fish. Grain. Tech items. Luxury goods. Etc. So rather than naming children based on the positive attributes one hopes they’ll have (like strength, loyalty, grace, wisdom) they’re named in keeping with the only value that has any meaning in their world: (1) as an item (Peeta, Cashmere, Clove), as an element of an item (Gloss, Glimmer, Blight, Chaff), as a means of procuring an item (Thresh, Seeder) - or (2) as an element of superhuman strength and violence (Brutus, Marvel, Enobaria).
Rest in peace Donald Sutherland. Man is a legend.
Hey Lois, all the real life equivalencies in this video remind of that time I was watching Family Guy and they kept doin cutaways.
Lol I love when creators support creators
Hi professor CZ ❤
Oooo guest lecture time
Snow is such a fascinating character. I'm so happy that Donald Sutherland, Suzanne Collins and Francis Lawrence handled him so well
the "well Matthew" did in fact, freak me the fuck out as I was falling asleep to this video
same
Same man, shit freaked me out bad
We need a Hunger Games between Bryce and his debt collectors. If we can't get Suzanne to write it make it a fanfic.
You'd hate me so much. December 31: "See you next year." January 1: "I feel like I haven't seen you all year."
When I read the songbirds and snakes one part that really stood out to me was how Snow always called Lucy Gray “his girl”. I know that’s a fairly common thing to do but the way he was saying it really messed me up. He meant it in the normal dating way but it also felt more than that, like saying “that’s my book, you can’t read it.” Or “that’s my dog, it won’t bit me.” When he said it it felt so much more possessive.
The movie brought in one line that addressed what the plot had never outright said the whole while.
During Acts 1 & 2 the books made it clear Snow had a decision to make between prioritizing himself,his future, and exceptionalism OR embrace love, empathy, and mediocrity. However the choice was never clear cut until the final act.
He never had to choose between the two and could play at both without admitting to anyone let alone himself where he really stood.
Act 3, the move to the districts, was finally when the choices had distinct paths. He gets a real sample of what the end of each road could entail and has to start choosing before it’s made for him.
While you can always choose to turn to back or do things differently it’s also important to keep in mind every time you make a choice it becomes easier to make another one like it and harder to turn back.
Snow’s slippery slope started with Bobbin, although that wasn’t much of a choice, but it made it easier to turn in Sejanus, and even easier to rationalize the mayor’s daughter.
The Penultimate decision was Lucy Gray, to turn on her was a leap, but with everything else he’d already done and the greener grass just on the other side, it didn’t seem like an impossible one.
The entire time i was reading this book and getting into the meat of it, I had a feeling he would do something to Lucy Gray. He constantly talked about being unsure about her and her motives he constantly was battling himself and the capital but at the end of the day, coryo is a capital cog and he fell directly into it
The book really adds a ton of subtext that the movies just cant relay. Despite amy critical opinion, I love this whole series and when Ballad came out, i was all about it.
See I think Snow's biggest mistake was putting the responsibility of spin on others, especially Katniss. All he had to do was have an interview with Flickerman, with Katniss and Peta in tow, where he claims responsibility for the rule change, and it's last minute enforcement. Paint Seneca as cruel and power grasping, and that it was Snow who saved the Star Crossed Lovers. Now Katniss isn't a symbol of rebellion, and Snow has shown that the capital is "fair and generous".
It is suspected that she could have been a stylist for District 4 when Finnick was chosen and may have mentioned things to him that got her removed.
*district 4
18:33 i always thought she had that done TO HER. when we meet her in mockingjay she said something about she was a stylist “til snow didn’t think she was pretty enough”
Since she was sympathetic to the tributes i thought Snow made her into the same kind of animals he views the districts as.
Just my head canon.
I've always found it fascinating how Katniss' adolescent egocentrism coupled with her first person pov shapes all of our thoughts of this world. For example, in the first book, she falls asleep in a tree and a fire drives her back. In her thoughts, the gamemakers do this to make things more interesting, and that's what we see in the movie. But really it could have been scheduled and nothing to do with her. It's a very cool thing to think about.
I haven't read the books so my theory about Snow is based on the film. I believe Snow's priorities to always being money & power. He had possessive affection for Tigra and his Grandma because of their support. Lucy was a means to an end so (like Tigra and Grandma) had some affection for her because she was helping him. When he was caught cheating, he didn't have a choice to stay, so he wanted to be near someone who supported him. While he was in district 12 he manipulated so he could earn a return to the capital. His friend's antics sabotaged his potential return so he planned to go with his supporter (Lucy Gray). But the instant he realized he could destroy the evidence of his crime he wanted to return to his comfortable life (living in the woods was not fun for him). One leftover snag, the witness who knew too much; Lucy. It wasn't a surprise that he turned on her. She recognized her danger as soon as she realized what that gun meant. She had to escape that clingy, dangerous Snow. If it was worth it he would turn on Tigra (which he did) and his Grandma.
18:33 suprised Tigris's s*x work is overlooked here. I see her appearance as being a result of a life of capitol exploitation. Snow being ultimatly right about what Tigris would be willing to do is not unlike his sweeping opinions of human nature being proven right through the games. Both prove him correct but they do so in highly unnatural, manufactured circumstances. It almost doesnt matter if snow is correct when he suspects tigris of selling sex or suspects lucy of being capable of "betraying" him-- he creates the circumstances that necessitate those kinds of choices. He believes the worst in people according to his personal ideas of morality and it retroactively justifies him in his eyes. Snow ultimately believes that people will do anything to survive and get ahead in life, that the cost of living is simply your life.
Yo, during Covid a hole lot of people tried Better Help and all that ever came out about it was that it was in fact NOT it sadly :///
I’ve heard that as well but what exactly was the problem?
@@lauragodinho5379 Souless and detached mixed with therapy is a bad idea. The problem is it's modem.
@@lauragodinho5379 They're not an official medical provider so they aren't bound by medical privacy laws and most of their alleged therapists are not trained + are poorly matched to clients
12:21 they also both had a semi-useless mother figure, snows grandma because she had a privileged life and didn’t need to learn to do things for herself, and Katniss’s mother because she shut down after the death of her husband/katniss’s dad.
I love the unnecessarily long Hunger Games content.
Also I’m wondering how many Matthew’s he freaked out.😂
i'm in a very painful wedgie
I wasn't paying much attention and got very confused when I heard my name randomly.
That’s what ya get Matthew 😂
this is by far the best BOSBAS video out there
Rest in peace Donald Sutherland❤️a brilliant actor and a brilliant man
"Until he lost the ability to live, due to the fact that he died"
What if part of Snow's revenge on Tigris was to have her altered to resemble a real tiger? Instead of killing her, he just said, "You've always been a tiger at heart, so now you can become one."
That doesn't seem his style though. He's sneaky and subtle and relies on charm to get what he wants until that fails. Then he goes for treachery and poison.
More likely he would've manipulated Tigris into getting more and more cosmetic changes (maybe even paying for them himself, maybe doing everything he can to boost her popularity) and then suddenly withdrawing all his financial and emotional support and abandoning her completely.
Nah. Snow is extremely practical in cruelty, not sadistic. I think Tigris chose to undergo the procedures on her own volition. The transformation could have been a way to separate herself from Snow and what he stood from, somehow; or to divorce herself from the horrors of humanity as she experienced them. Definitely escapism. When her transformation got too extreme even for the new, ultra extravagant and decadent Capitol standards, Snow simply removed her from the public eye so his name wouldn't be associated with hers. He effectively disowned her to avoid public shame. But Tigris actions were her own. She stayed true to herself and until the end, she stood for what she thought was right.
tigris' look was her choice, although it was informed by trauma and years of exploitation. in mockingjay, tigris says that the last time her and snow talked, he called her look "hideous"
Rest In Peace Donald Sutherland, you are such a legend! Panem today, Panem tomorrow, Panem forever!
18:00 derogatory? I think it's pronounced "spot on" or maybe "dead accurate"
15:00 I think Snow was falling in love with her, and that is why he turned the games into what they are. He knows how powerful a good show can be because he fell for Lucy Gray when she was probably just using him to stay alive.
my theory is that Tigers decided to leave because she might have found out what snow was going to finnick bc she had to do that too. to get food and other stuff
Great video! I just would like to say Better Help is a terrible company, unlicenced and unprofessiinal therapist. As or more expensive than in person therapy. Not to mention selling personal client information.
Just wanted to put that out there
Loving the beard my man ❤
The only problem i have with the depiction of Tigeres in the move is she's supposed to be 3 years older than Snow... even with the plastic surgery done which might cover a lot, she looked in her 40' or 50'...
Personally, I do think Lucy is Katniss' great-grandmother on her father's side. it's even possible that Gale's family (Which even Katniss has stated that they could almost pass for siblings) are a cousin-branch forgotten about because of the Covey's nomadic and mysterious nature. Katniss' father lived on the seam, her mother moved there from the wealthier part of 12.
My theory is that after several years hiding on the edges of 12, around the Meadows, to make sure Snow wouldn't come back, and people forgot her face, Lucy had at the least, two sons with a man possessing the surname Everdeen, and Lucy, desperate to hide her identity from Snow, takes the last name herself, becoming Lucy Everdeen. These sons go on to have children, notably Katniss' own father. This is a strong case in my opinion, because the two songs Katniss sings are Lucy Gray's songs. She sang them first, and people repeated them for the popularity before one was banned for the 'rebellious nature'. But Lucy, knowing the crimes of the Capitol, kept her rebellious streak and taught her children the songs, but informed them never to sing them in public, and this lesson was passed down with the songs. Katniss basically says as much when her father taught the songs to her.
That is why Katniss isn't just depressed and defeated, she's cynical and aware. Much like Lucy Gray was in her Games. Lucy knew very well it was just a sick way to punish them, a sentiment passed down for generations. Because Lucy lived it. Her children would forget bits and pieces over time, naturally, but Katniss would have picked up the same mentality from her father as a descendant of Lucy Gray, and that would explain why Katniss' father was willing to risk punishment to teach her how to survive.
I read the book and enjoyed the conceptualizations it pulled. A little backstory here and some death there. A flaw to fix in the system. but overall, it felt a lot like reading Katniss from an outsider's perspective. Katniss could turn on the dazzle too when she wanted, but due to the harsh reality and trauma that surviving the 1oth hunger games caused, and being betrayed, Lucy's bright and performative personality became cold and closed off, which I see being passed down, as we are what were are raised from. What really tickles my theory is Lucy's comment about the name Katniss. It would be plausible that the name concept was passed down each generation until they finally had a girl to name Katniss Everdeen, the last Mockingjay, Great-Granddaughter of Lucy Gray Baird, the first Mockingjay.
Survival was in Katniss' odds all along.
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You did not need to call me out with the "Matthew!" while I was eating queso!
Hmm,"bad guys don't have blue eyes".You mean like Hannibal Lector,Chucky,Magneto,Roy Batty,Most Nazis,Freddy Krueger,Voldemort,Blofeld.Well,what do I know.
i saw the movie first so i was taken aback by snows 'sudden' change but then it clicked that the signs were always there. his actions were always selfish, even when he was helping lucy or sejanus, he was doing it for himself. however, when i read the book, jesus christ, it made so much sense. it was so cool to have an explanation for his actions.
Snow lands on top
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@@max.aeditz I'm great why?
But Fire melts snow
@@catsareamazing420and it’s vapor extinguishes the fire. 🥶
@@catsareamazing420 THIS is a song of ice and fire!
This video appeared on the home page and i IMMEDIATELY clicked 😂😂
Amazing video! Never thought about how the mockingjays singing 'The Hanging Tree' after Lucy Gray ran away were reminding Snow of his betrayal of Sejanus. Also, the line about murdering three shortly after Snow said he killed three people.
I think something really deep down in Snow, was interested in how Katniss played the game. As though he’s enjoying (in a sense) the competition and mind games. A competition he may not have had since those first games he mentored. I don’t know if that makes sense how I worded it. Like how the Riddler loves playing intellectual games with the enemies he feels are worthy and challenging enough to solve his clues and riddles.
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Fun fact, in Spanish grandma'am is translated as "abuelatriz" which is a mix of the world grandma (abuela) and empress (emperatriz). We somehow managed to get even more imperial 😂
15:32 Tigris is a therian icon lol, and she's beautiful both inside and out ;w; how dare Katniss call her grotesque. If only she saw the Cats film then she'd know exactly what a "grotesque" human-cat hybrid would look like *shudder*.
I really appreciate Snow as a character now. A lot of times antagonists are seemingly evil just for the sake of it and with little backstory as to how they got there. The prequel did a great job in not only portraying how he ended up where he is but “why”. Such though you can even sympathise and imagine yourself ending up like that if you were put under the same circumstances.
Human beings are complex and they behave the way they do for a reason, and a reason that you would only understand if you heard the full story.
I always interpreted that Tigris and Snow had a falling-out because it was Snow who was secretly manipulating her. Eventually her ideals and his clashed and perhaps he may have been the reason why she was so surgically and genetically altered. He could have cruelly forced her to take plastic surgery and body modifications. I think one day Snow decided that she was now longer publicly attractive or appealing for corporate and government sponsorship, hence why he fired her from her profession.
we do see the first signs of Tigris and Snow falling out at the end of the movie but i think that would happen after their grandma dies. i like to think the real reason why he fired her was because knew the war was going to happen.
THANK YOU! I really think they should have split this one up into two parts and gave us a more expanded version on snows time as a peace keeper . Amazing videos ❤
I loved his dad's shirt I think it looked fantastic with his vest
32:36 when i saw this in the cinema, it was a packed screening, and everyone in the audience groaned at that line lmao
Regarding Prim's death. Snow just confirmed what Katniss already thought. I don't remember if the movie showed BeeTee and Gale making the gift boxes that blew up twice and Katniss seeing this. She knew District 13 had the bombs.
It was a great idea to add the scenes with Seneca Crane! Those were some of my favourite scenes, they add so much to the movie!
I’d love to know what happened to Lucy grey and how she put together everything at the end. Would be a good spinoff
I’m so happy I found these videos because I just rewatched the series of the hunger games!
I took the reason for tigris's extreme look was to look unappealing/unattractive so snow couldn't sell her body like he did with many others.
in his fuck up way he still cares about her.
Didn't Tigress say Snow didn't think she was pretty enough in reference to her face tattoos?
Rest in Peace Donald Sutherland.
In what universe is referring to them as EMO kids in their 30s considered derogatory?
30s is the best time to be emo
Before watching this I thought that Snow might have hallucinated killing Lucy like the guy from Psycho did with most of his kills.
I can’t believe he’s Str8!?! Huh, goes to show you never know 🤷♂️! I mean there’s nothing wrong with being Str8 to each his own. Just a little surprised is all. I do love this channel ❣️
The video was already so good and then you had to promote betterhelp.... it's a shame
I noticed towards the end gulge (don’t know if I spelled the name right) had her outfit change into red through out the movie, what I thought of it was her outfit slowly turning red for every person she killed, or her revealing her false purity
Im surprised the consistency of saying his whole name. I would've called him cory after the first time
For such easy reads the hunger games books are really very good. Memorable characters and moments, thought provoking, etc. And the movies are among the best adaptions.
5:59 please don’t call me out like that 😣
R.I.P. Donald Sutherland
The best video on the Snow character, on TH-cam! Thank you
The fact that you don't have more subscribers is more criminal than anything Dr. Gaul ever did.
I see BetterHelp strikes again
I thought Snow forced Tigris to become what she became
Tigris was my favorite character in “The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes “
Yeeessss, the king has uploaded more!! 🎉
And in real life Donald actually died May he rest in peace😢
Rip Donald Sutherland 😔
To be fair with the JFK in Oppenheimer, I recently rewatched Titanic and that film is the same with Freud and Picasso. So idk every movie does it. Silly of the screenwriters, I guess?
It’s funny how even after Snow’s fall and defeat in the second rebellion, he still managed to land on top, convincing Katniss to kill President Coin, his rival.
Snow lived through two wars. And one of them he was the enemy
Hey, a Matthew here. Did throw me off!!!
Rip Donald 💔
I truly think Snow married Livia 😂 It just fits perfectly 😂
I think snow is the person in the hanging tree song as they hung Sejanus and he said snow murdered 3
When Lucy wrote the song Sejanus was still alive. The song is for Arlo Chance, the man they hang when Snow first arrives to 12, since he supposedly caused an explosion in the mines and k1ll3d 2 peacekeepers and a mine worker
@@bettyflosal i think of part of the Hanging Tree song about her and snow.
I think coryo was like that because when he got sent to be a peacekeeper he regretted cheating in the games so he became patriotic, and loyal so he became like that but he met Lucy before and he was in love with her because she was like the capitol to her but when she ran away he felt like his old good memories of the capitol and being a student were finally over
Bryce we need a neytiri explained
Its like the Because Iron man leatn from his mistakes meme, Snow also constantly improved himself for the hunger game.... Mush respect for that...😁
“Some things are as empty as my soul “ goddamn
It's also worth mentioning that Gaul pretty much owns Snow, as she knew about what he did to Sejanus, and his whole fortune is based on Sejanus' parents, who are blissfully unaware that the heir to their fortune sent their only son to the hanging tree. She could end that whole life for him pretty easy.
3:35 Achilles Feathers ☠️☠️☠️