Thanks Paul for filming this I will share it with my students, especially glad you mentioned earlier master like Van Eyck. In February in Ghent , Belgium opens the biggest ever retrospective of Van Eyck!
Referring to the Holbein portrait drawings, there isn't a single one in the collection that wasn't adulterated in one way or another by a second artist's hand over the years. Some more than others.
I'm egally fascinated by the elegance of the Holbein drawings as well and apparently he took this 3 crayon technique (so I learned from a recent discussion with someone here on youtube) from the French painter Clouet. Anyway, thank you for this interesting video, the name of The Idiot is Myshkin by the way. 😊
He painted it with a anamorphic perspective construction, this painting by the way very much alike Dürer's etching Melancholia I, which is also a demonstration of perspective and neoplatonic knowledge, 'sprezzatura' as was typical in these renaissance and baroque social circles, and also containing (or so it seems in reproductions) a hidden skull.
It looks very much to me that the drawings, with their flatness, distinct contours/outlines and shallow perspective, were made with an optical device such as a camera lucida.
@@PaulIngbretson No I don't, but Jean Fouquet's drawings have similar characteristics, as do Ingres. I think that it was probably used from the Renaissance onwards and was so common that it wasn't worth mentioning.
Well, OK - thanks (as it were) for the heavy dose of (i) autobiography, along evaluative dimensions, mixed with rather to much art-historical and art-theoretical handwaving, with the crude misnomer of the ubiquitous “cutout” - only to take it back by halves (in allowing for beauty in the simplicity of the Holbeins “simple” lines [for which da Vinci, say, would have praise in terms of the mirror and verisimilitude generally]), whilst quietly suggesting that the later impressionist program was an improvement in values and color (rather than something else again, under some rubric of “what one sees”). It’s just a puzzling mix - for neophytes like myself who do not enjoy, or suffer, whatever is driving the verdicts of latter-day art-critics in their retrospective judgments. What was the point, the purpose, the aim, of all this? One would be hard pressed to say, frankly [again, from where I sit: apologies for missing whatever is excellent and revealing, here].
People ask for conversation about some of these people but I am really on these videos to present the thinking related to the Boston School impressionist thinking. Holbein does, then, get used as a take off point or comparison rather than an assessment of his methods, etc. for their own sake.
@@kristrappeniers As an Art-school student in Europe, back in the 60'ties, I've heard it all long time ago. Official Hans Holbein fanclub, how ridiculous, any artist in there?
Thanks Paul for filming this I will share it with my students, especially glad you mentioned earlier master like Van Eyck. In February in Ghent , Belgium opens the biggest ever retrospective of Van Eyck!
Thanks so much for taking the time to shed some light here....really appreciate your video on Degas as well.
brilliant- just found you through searching Holbein . Thank you
Holbeins work was perfection
Referring to the Holbein portrait drawings, there isn't a single one in the collection that wasn't adulterated in one way or another by a second artist's hand over the years. Some more than others.
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Camels twilight? It is impossible to make out the name of the book he refers to. Anybody out there caught the title?
Ives Gammell, Twilight of painting
hello I bought 2 Holbein sketches in New Zealand and I'm curious to know if they are authentic
Inspired me to see the show in New York
Glad you got there, Cathy.
I went too! All the way from Nebraska!
I'm egally fascinated by the elegance of the Holbein drawings as well and apparently he took this 3 crayon technique (so I learned from a recent discussion with someone here on youtube) from the French painter Clouet. Anyway, thank you for this interesting video, the name of The Idiot is Myshkin by the way. 😊
Yes...on both points. Forgotten Myshkin.
6:45 I think he painted that skull with some sort of reflection..
He painted it with a anamorphic perspective construction, this painting by the way very much alike Dürer's etching Melancholia I, which is also a demonstration of perspective and neoplatonic knowledge, 'sprezzatura' as was typical in these renaissance and baroque social circles, and also containing (or so it seems in reproductions) a hidden skull.
It looks very much to me that the drawings, with their flatness, distinct contours/outlines and shallow perspective, were made with an optical device such as a camera lucida.
It does...you have experience with that, Edwin?
@@PaulIngbretson No I don't, but Jean Fouquet's drawings have similar characteristics, as do Ingres. I think that it was probably used from the Renaissance onwards and was so common that it wasn't worth mentioning.
Michelangelo is not Leonardo Da Vinci.:.😊
Got me! lol
Well, OK - thanks (as it were) for the heavy dose of (i) autobiography, along evaluative dimensions, mixed with rather to much art-historical and art-theoretical handwaving, with the crude misnomer of the ubiquitous “cutout” - only to take it back by halves (in allowing for beauty in the simplicity of the Holbeins “simple” lines [for which da Vinci, say, would have praise in terms of the mirror and verisimilitude generally]), whilst quietly suggesting that the later impressionist program was an improvement in values and color (rather than something else again, under some rubric of “what one sees”). It’s just a puzzling mix - for neophytes like myself who do not enjoy, or suffer, whatever is driving the verdicts of latter-day art-critics in their retrospective judgments. What was the point, the purpose, the aim, of all this? One would be hard pressed to say, frankly [again, from where I sit: apologies for missing whatever is excellent and revealing, here].
came here to hear more about Holbein, instead this gut says " I " or " my ' more often than Holbein
People ask for conversation about some of these people but I am really on these videos to present the thinking related to the Boston School impressionist thinking. Holbein does, then, get used as a take off point or comparison rather than an assessment of his methods, etc. for their own sake.
As a member of the official Hans Holbein fanclub, I agree 😀
@@kristrappeniers As an Art-school student in Europe, back in the 60'ties, I've heard it all long time ago. Official Hans Holbein fanclub, how ridiculous, any artist in there?