Thanks for covering this when it seems that nobody else wants to talk about it. I've seen a lot of these crashes in recent years (videos all over TH-cam) so hopefully a better solution can be found. This is what happened to Jason Leffler and that was 10 years ago now.
Leffler's crash was at Bridgeport Speedway. The two crashes were similar in the way that the car pivoted around itself and hit the wall driver side first. We can NEVER assume racing is totally safe. Good job on covering this incident Justin.
Thanks for covering the details that nobody else wants to cover. Thank you also for going out there and getting your story right. You delivered the message in a concise manner that is easy to understand. Great show!
I was at the race Tuesday night. I didn't see what happened, but we heard the impact. I'm glad he's ok, but I wish they would have said something over the speakers sooner rather than later. There were people around us saying it didn't look good due to the time from the accident occurred until the fire trucks and 2nd ambulance had arrived. I know they probably couldn't have said much, but something would have been better than nothing.
Great peice , I lost a freind in 1979 in a sprint car crash. Now thinking back nothing changed. Safety wasnt a hot button issue back then. Now with the advent of the internet and social media the subject is readly discussed the moment things go wrong.
Great show as always Justin. I love these deep dive episodes into racing knowledge that are hard to find elsewhere. If you have another slow news day one week could you do a little explanation on tracks taking rubber and why promoters/track owners don't want announcers to call attention to it? From what I know it's not really something they have control over and sometimes it just happens to even the best prepared tracks. I remember you saying on an episode how announcers try to ignore it and pretend like they don't see it, even though it's obvious to anybody watching. Asking because I noticed an announcer mention it the other day during a race and it kinda surprised me to hear. Is there more things they can do to keep a track from taking rubber? Do cheaper dirts take rubber easier where more expensive material doesn't (clay or something like that?) Is this just a promoter trying to keep a track owner happy? Do they think people will stop giving them money to go to races/watch online if tracks are taking rubber during their shows and the races aren't as exciting? Would love to know more about what goes into track prep in general if you have any insider sources to get info from for a segment on it. Especially with all the rainouts and weather problems we've been having lately. I feel like the workers who prep tracks each week are the unsung heroes of dirt racing but without fail they'll get shit on (sometimes valid, sometimes unwarranted) second there's any issue with the surface (ruts/holes, too dusty and not enough water, too wet and too much water, only one lane, no top groove, not enough passing, too much track work, not enough track work, etc.)...
Great Video. Thanks for digging into the details on this. Glad Jake is improving. If I understand correctly, if the torsion bar snaps, none of the retainer systems will keep the torsion bar from walking out of the tube. Maybe the torsion bar snapped? This would be similar to the "C" clip retainers on rear drive axles. If the axle breaks, the axle is free to fly out of the rear end.
Use to crew for a friend of mine in the 80s. He had a stop break on his car in turn 3 at Atomic Speedway before there was a wall there. It sent him flipping down off the track. When they break bad stuff happens.
Torsion bars can just break, IMO the ends where they connect to the stops and/or arm would b the weakest points. So no one may b at fault or irresponsible, sometimes shtuff just happens. Very glad he is going to survive this!
I sometimes bristle at the Safety First mantra. If I lean up against the wall, I will be maintaining 3 points of contact but also getting nothing done. If nobody moves, nobody gets hurt. But that comes from years of working in a giant corporation where CYA is the order of business. I do agree that a better job can be done by the tracks, racers, and tech officials. We have a couple asphalt tracks around where if you get into the wall, you will be launched in the air. Luckily no one has been killed. Yet. So we (the community) could at least tackle the obvious things. Make sure your fire suit is clean, don't have retaining walls that act like ramps, check a rollcage tube now and then. The unusual or unexpected will never be eliminated, but we could keep it to a dullish roar.
That is pretty crazy that his torsion bar came out like that. I mean I can see it but it wouldn't havedl been the first thing I imagined was the cause. Glad he is okay and maybe they need to add a strap or a breach block of sorts.
So.....poor car prep....plus if you get turned right there is so little air pressure in the left rear...tire comes off... wheel digs in....your going over! Happened to Ryan Watt last night at the Dirt Modifies race at Delaware...
Seriously! People gave you crap for getting hot laps/qualifying wrong? Who effing cares, wtf. People have way to much time if that's how they're spending it. Hey A-holes, keep your complaints about Justin/Dirtrackr to yourself. The majority of us appreciate his efforts and hard work making this content, and we respect him for that.
Not forgetting another car prior wrecking in a very similar way earlier in the season. My question why is the pit entrance there in the first place or at least have a strongly built steel gate across it for racing?
What is with the people who want crash videos removed? They need to stop being so sensitive and accept the reality that the crash has happened and there is information to be gained from analyzing these videos. Torgerson or Neuman, and even Owens can help improve safety, there is no benefit to censorship, don’t watch if you don’t want to but it’s not up to you to decide what other people watch
I agree with you but it should only be posted and spread around after what ever news has come from the team/family members weather it be good news or if the inevitable happened.
@@jordanbraun1122 doesn’t the family have much more important things to focus on, why should they be caring about opinions of strangers on the internet?
The public isn't going to improve safety by watching a video of someone dieing. They can keep the videos private and leave them for some actual experts if you want to talk about analyzing. Families don't want videos of the relatives' death out there for entertainment.
@@zacknelson6630 the actual video we are commenting features a knowledgeable person with industry connections and he gives a breakdown of what caused the accident, there is absolutely benefit to be gained by people learning about safety. The video shouldn’t be censored based on the injuries of the crash, the driver and family all agree to the risk that comes with racing. It’s not up to me or you to decide what people watch and what their motivations are
Should be threaded rod with locknut.......also should have same thing with a cable on rear axle to keep from losing wheel with sheared off axle.....but then Noone could use their swindell bleeders
I disagree with the rear axle part. Keeping the axle/and or wheel with that car is a bad idea. The wheel/axle would be slinging around during a wreck and it could sling into the Cock pit.
I’ve been around sprints for quite a while. I do NOT like the compressing type. They are not reliable. I think the threaded rod or the screw in type are the best
this has begun to become common place because ti doesnt bite like steel. imo from this ol dschooler, go back to what worked for years...a steel bar, steel stop and a thick aluminum arm.
Sprint cars aren't that much different than they 75 years ago, it's one of the few styles of racing that hasn't changed over the years, if ya want new technology watch F-1 don't try to change our sport...imo I hope I'm not being too defensive?...lol
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Appreciate you covering everything even the rough stuff that most people don't want to talk about it
You are amazing and I sincerely appreciate the knowledge you have shared.
Thanks for covering this when it seems that nobody else wants to talk about it. I've seen a lot of these crashes in recent years (videos all over TH-cam) so hopefully a better solution can be found. This is what happened to Jason Leffler and that was 10 years ago now.
Leffler's crash was at Bridgeport Speedway. The two crashes were similar in the way that the car pivoted around itself and hit the wall driver side first. We can NEVER assume racing is totally safe. Good job on covering this incident Justin.
@@buddhavb3616 And two months later Donny Schatz had the same crash at Edmonton.
Thanks for the update on Jake Neuman and congrats on 16,000 subs. That number should continue to grow as the racing gets into full swing.
Thanks for covering the details that nobody else wants to cover. Thank you also for going out there and getting your story right. You delivered the message in a concise manner that is easy to understand. Great show!
I was at the race Tuesday night. I didn't see what happened, but we heard the impact. I'm glad he's ok, but I wish they would have said something over the speakers sooner rather than later. There were people around us saying it didn't look good due to the time from the accident occurred until the fire trucks and 2nd ambulance had arrived. I know they probably couldn't have said much, but something would have been better than nothing.
Good stuff my guy. And that Lisa Burlington picture is amazing.
Great work. Helps me understanding what's happening.
This was really great stuff. Thank you Justin.
Thank you for making this video it explained a lot. Great video
From what I saw, it looked like something broke off. Like what you said, it just didn't hit the wall normally. I'm glad you put this video up!
Great peice , I lost a freind in 1979 in a sprint car crash. Now thinking back nothing changed. Safety wasnt a hot button issue back then. Now with the advent of the internet and social media the subject is readly discussed the moment things go wrong.
Glad He's alive after this hard crash. Very interesting thank you for the update.
Great insight into what went wrong and why it happened. Glad to see he will make a full recovery. Always enjoy the show keep up the great work.
Nice piece Justin!
Great stuff. Thanks for the updated information on Jake's crash. 👍
Thanks for the education and facts not speculation. And good to hear he is recovering !
Thanks for the great explanation of the Jake crash.
Great show as always Justin. I love these deep dive episodes into racing knowledge that are hard to find elsewhere.
If you have another slow news day one week could you do a little explanation on tracks taking rubber and why promoters/track owners don't want announcers to call attention to it? From what I know it's not really something they have control over and sometimes it just happens to even the best prepared tracks. I remember you saying on an episode how announcers try to ignore it and pretend like they don't see it, even though it's obvious to anybody watching. Asking because I noticed an announcer mention it the other day during a race and it kinda surprised me to hear. Is there more things they can do to keep a track from taking rubber? Do cheaper dirts take rubber easier where more expensive material doesn't (clay or something like that?) Is this just a promoter trying to keep a track owner happy? Do they think people will stop giving them money to go to races/watch online if tracks are taking rubber during their shows and the races aren't as exciting?
Would love to know more about what goes into track prep in general if you have any insider sources to get info from for a segment on it. Especially with all the rainouts and weather problems we've been having lately. I feel like the workers who prep tracks each week are the unsung heroes of dirt racing but without fail they'll get shit on (sometimes valid, sometimes unwarranted) second there's any issue with the surface (ruts/holes, too dusty and not enough water, too wet and too much water, only one lane, no top groove, not enough passing, too much track work, not enough track work, etc.)...
This channel deserves more subs
Great Video. Thanks for digging into the details on this. Glad Jake is improving. If I understand correctly, if the torsion bar snaps, none of the retainer systems will keep the torsion bar from walking out of the tube. Maybe the torsion bar snapped? This would be similar to the "C" clip retainers on rear drive axles. If the axle breaks, the axle is free to fly out of the rear end.
Use to crew for a friend of mine in the 80s. He had a stop break on his car in turn 3 at Atomic Speedway before there was a wall there. It sent him flipping down off the track. When they break bad stuff happens.
Safety is ALWAYS AT THE FOREFRONT OF RACING!!!
Safety is always reactive. That's true for all walks of life. We learn better thru mistakes than proactive thought.
I was watching the livestream when this happened. Very scary impact.
Great job Justin!
Torsion bars can just break, IMO the ends where they connect to the stops and/or arm would b the weakest points. So no one may b at fault or irresponsible, sometimes shtuff just happens. Very glad he is going to survive this!
Had the arm and stop strip out also , I believe there still aluminum
Ok he was very fast in hot laps. Did they change something before they came out for qualifying ? Or did he make a adjustment ?? Glad he is alright 👍
I sometimes bristle at the Safety First mantra. If I lean up against the wall, I will be maintaining 3 points of contact but also getting nothing done. If nobody moves, nobody gets hurt. But that comes from years of working in a giant corporation where CYA is the order of business.
I do agree that a better job can be done by the tracks, racers, and tech officials. We have a couple asphalt tracks around where if you get into the wall, you will be launched in the air. Luckily no one has been killed. Yet. So we (the community) could at least tackle the obvious things. Make sure your fire suit is clean, don't have retaining walls that act like ramps, check a rollcage tube now and then. The unusual or unexpected will never be eliminated, but we could keep it to a dullish roar.
That is pretty crazy that his torsion bar came out like that. I mean I can see it but it wouldn't havedl been the first thing I imagined was the cause. Glad he is okay and maybe they need to add a strap or a breach block of sorts.
Great video!
When you educate the "fans", you have smarter sprint car fans...lol
Keep it up!
So.....poor car prep....plus if you get turned right there is so little air pressure in the left rear...tire comes off... wheel digs in....your going over!
Happened to Ryan Watt last night at the Dirt Modifies race at Delaware...
Seriously! People gave you crap for getting hot laps/qualifying wrong? Who effing cares, wtf. People have way to much time if that's how they're spending it. Hey A-holes, keep your complaints about Justin/Dirtrackr to yourself. The majority of us appreciate his efforts and hard work making this content, and we respect him for that.
Wimp, repeat that ole saying, a cook that can't take the heat , stay out of the kitchen......However, this guy could walk thru hell and back....
Too many dickheads...lol
It was a torsion bar stop malfunction that had a big part in Gregg Hodnett's fatal crash.
Not forgetting another car prior wrecking in a very similar way earlier in the season. My question why is the pit entrance there in the first place or at least have a strongly built steel gate across it for racing?
i was there and as i didnt see it happen i did watch as they tried to get jake out with 2 crews of ems and fire department and rescue vehicle
They need to redesign the while sprint car chassis not like a whole redesign but something to make it safer.
So did the torsion bar break?the whole tube come off? Does anyone know.
Looks like maybe the stop broke/came off?
Torsion bars are checked all the time they all have a rating which is used to set up the car I would bet this was a safety insert issue
This is one of the few safety features that cost you next to nothing!! 5/16 thread rod and 2 fender washers-works as good as any manufactures piece!1
What is with the people who want crash videos removed? They need to stop being so sensitive and accept the reality that the crash has happened and there is information to be gained from analyzing these videos. Torgerson or Neuman, and even Owens can help improve safety, there is no benefit to censorship, don’t watch if you don’t want to but it’s not up to you to decide what other people watch
There's a lot of that going on in walks of our lives today...lol
I agree with you but it should only be posted and spread around after what ever news has come from the team/family members weather it be good news or if the inevitable happened.
@@jordanbraun1122 doesn’t the family have much more important things to focus on, why should they be caring about opinions of strangers on the internet?
The public isn't going to improve safety by watching a video of someone dieing. They can keep the videos private and leave them for some actual experts if you want to talk about analyzing. Families don't want videos of the relatives' death out there for entertainment.
@@zacknelson6630 the actual video we are commenting features a knowledgeable person with industry connections and he gives a breakdown of what caused the accident, there is absolutely benefit to be gained by people learning about safety. The video shouldn’t be censored based on the injuries of the crash, the driver and family all agree to the risk that comes with racing. It’s not up to me or you to decide what people watch and what their motivations are
Should be threaded rod with locknut.......also should have same thing with a cable on rear axle to keep from losing wheel with sheared off axle.....but then Noone could use their swindell bleeders
I disagree with the rear axle part. Keeping the axle/and or wheel with that car is a bad idea. The wheel/axle would be slinging around during a wreck and it could sling into the Cock pit.
I’ve been around sprints for quite a while. I do NOT like the compressing type. They are not reliable. I think the threaded rod or the screw in type are the best
this has begun to become common place because ti doesnt bite like steel. imo from this ol dschooler, go back to what worked for years...a steel bar, steel stop and a thick aluminum arm.
His front end gave out like a fat women's ankles 😅
Time for better design. This is old truck technology.
Any suggestions? Asking because I know nowhere near enough to have any ideas of my own worth sharing.
Sprint cars aren't that much different than they 75 years ago, it's one of the few styles of racing that hasn't changed over the years, if ya want new technology watch F-1 don't try to change our sport...imo
I hope I'm not being too defensive?...lol
Good to see Jake is ok, top midget driver
safer barriers on half miles would help a little.....