With the improved damping and multiple position valving of modern shocks coil overs make more scents than in years past. There is a much finer amount of adjustments with coils. We played with coils at Nance years ago but struggled to keep the car from pogoing when the car was in the dirt. Coils really shined in the dry slick. It was always to hooked up. I am sure glad to see something different. Long gone are the days of telling what kind of chassis a guy had by the cage and body.
For rough terrain you need a rising rate linkage found on motocross suspension to stop the pogo also added complexity takes longer to fix if damaged like late model rear ends.
Noticed smith titanium is a sponsor for tanner, could be a factor in the coil overs, Stevie ran them in the late 90s with fairly good success, he felt they were as good just smaller set up window to work in compared to torsions. He moved away from them as building your own chassis on top of everything else was too much to do on top of running outlaws schedule.
I’ll be streaming anything I can with every available moment. We’re almost to the season end point and an about a 2 month break with almost nothing. A lot of information today. Great show
I've have to say that A main was stacked. there was only one name I didn't know. That series did great this year. It's gonna be a good year for all three. USAC HL and WOO. More great drivers are getting in all series.
I've personally ran on coilovers on a micro 600 for over 15 years. Have never raced on bars on dirt, and now the NE mods you can't find torsions on those dirt cars anymore
USAC is running fri and sat at Lawrenceburg Speedway. Its the first annual Greg Staab memorial. Can't forget the Harvest 50 at Skyline Speedway fri and sat as well. I pick Tyler Carpenter to win it.
I see all these comments wondering if coilovers can run on rough tracks. Have folks not watched Mods/LM early and late in the racing season or the shitty preped tracks in the South? Coilovers are way more adjustable than bars. Sprint car owners need to get Kevin Rumley involved if they want to run coilovers. It would be interesting to see an aero grip Sprint car add in the mechanical grip need in LM racing.
@@mariebeasley1269 Yeah... Beaver Dam is done forever. But Red Dirt owners want it to stay a race track. They are just too busy to run it. It is growing each year.
This episode peaks my interest. Im a hd diesel mechanic and love the mechanical side of the sport. Sammys car kinda reminds me of a baja car on how the wheel ends are setup. Thorsons car is like a sub of a torsion bar with coils to me. Unfortunately both had engine problems plaque them so we never got to see much of either. Tanner got more time for us to see. The torsion has had a long life. I can see these take off on tracks that are normally rougher on the surface and would be curious if they get a following after these tests. My other thought would be ride after a bump. Torsion takes a hit decent and changing ride hight may be alittle easier with just an assembly change for the coil over. Just as you put up the pictures i was going to find the pictures of sammys car to compare. Great job Justin
If you can dial in coil over shocks I think it can be a much better setup. I've been building shocks for 30 years. Not an expert just theis so much more adjustability than what we have now. Just a thought
One of the US touring teams decades ago here in Oz ran 1 or 2 coil cars. Trostles I think and were fast. Really coils should be better though my application is road race. The car that appears to have a bar but is not I suspect is using a small bar as a sway bar. Sammys coil that far in will not work,, too far away from the wheels. What is he thinking! ALL suspension needs the shock as close to the wheel as possible. Something most drag racers have totally forgotten!
so the formula 1 engineers putting the suspension inboard far away from the wheels have it wrong? if the geometry is correct you can mount the shocks anyway you want
Dont forget Thorson won the friday nite A main at gold cup this year. Idk but coilovers seem to eventually be the way to go. Its happened with lots of different types of cars.
Maybe with new innovation, there can be a new generation of Sprint car, one that will bring safety , into the spotlight.., NOMORE Chase Johnson type accidents .., EVER AGAIN..!!! , please..
Did anyone else notice the 83 McFadden car completely passing 12 Kameron Key before a start last night. I thought they said no passing before the cone? Did they penalize the 83, or just look the other way.
That rule only applies to single file restarts when the cone is placed on the front straightaway. On a double file they can go when the leader goes. 83 was far enough back he could see the leader because of the angle of the turn. Right call unfortunately because I don’t like those toyotas
The advancement in shocks compared to when coil overs were tried years ago could make this new interest interesting. Still not sure how they will do on a cowboy-up track.
With the improved damping and multiple position valving of modern shocks coil overs make more scents than in years past. There is a much finer amount of adjustments with coils. We played with coils at Nance years ago but struggled to keep the car from pogoing when the car was in the dirt. Coils really shined in the dry slick. It was always to hooked up. I am sure glad to see something different. Long gone are the days of telling what kind of chassis a guy had by the cage and body.
Agreed. Still not sure how they'll do on rough track.
For rough terrain you need a rising rate linkage found on motocross suspension to stop the pogo also added complexity takes longer to fix if damaged like late model rear ends.
I think you do a great job justin keep it up.
I'll be one of the few driving from So Cal to the beautiful central valley to experience the NARC 410's and SCCT 360's up in Tulare!
Taking my son to Lincoln Saturday night for his 18th birthday!
Noticed smith titanium is a sponsor for tanner, could be a factor in the coil overs, Stevie ran them in the late 90s with fairly good success, he felt they were as good just smaller set up window to work in compared to torsions. He moved away from them as building your own chassis on top of everything else was too much to do on top of running outlaws schedule.
I’ll be streaming anything I can with every available moment. We’re almost to the season end point and an about a 2 month break with almost nothing. A lot of information today. Great show
I know. I get kinda bored after the world finals until the icebreaker. I will have to resort to college ball, hockey and more time in the shop.
Going to red dirt raceway Saturday for OCRS sprint cars
I've have to say that A main was stacked. there was only one name I didn't know. That series did great this year. It's gonna be a good year for all three. USAC HL and WOO. More great drivers are getting in all series.
I've personally ran on coilovers on a micro 600 for over 15 years. Have never raced on bars on dirt, and now the NE mods you can't find torsions on those dirt cars anymore
USAC is running fri and sat at Lawrenceburg Speedway. Its the first annual Greg Staab memorial. Can't forget the Harvest 50 at Skyline Speedway fri and sat as well. I pick Tyler Carpenter to win it.
Be at Lincoln Saturday
In the 80s Gary Stanton built a few coilover cars that were pretty dam fast.
I see all these comments wondering if coilovers can run on rough tracks. Have folks not watched Mods/LM early and late in the racing season or the shitty preped tracks in the South? Coilovers are way more adjustable than bars. Sprint car owners need to get Kevin Rumley involved if they want to run coilovers. It would be interesting to see an aero grip Sprint car add in the mechanical grip need in LM racing.
Didn’t Tanner’s father in law also run a coil winged sprint car also?
David Gravel has rhe 2003 Matt Kenseth championship vibe going on now....
Red dirt raceway is for sale. 😊
Hopefully it goes to a good owner. It's a little out of my range these days but I might make it to a special show if they find someone to buy it.
And Beaver Dam…
So is Beaver Dam. Heard it will not be a race track when it does sell
@@mariebeasley1269 Yeah... Beaver Dam is done forever. But Red Dirt owners want it to stay a race track. They are just too busy to run it. It is growing each year.
Remember the half bar cars
Has anyone got a photo of the right rear setup on Thorson
Long shot but I think Buddy will pass Donny for 3rd in points by end of year
This episode peaks my interest. Im a hd diesel mechanic and love the mechanical side of the sport. Sammys car kinda reminds me of a baja car on how the wheel ends are setup. Thorsons car is like a sub of a torsion bar with coils to me. Unfortunately both had engine problems plaque them so we never got to see much of either. Tanner got more time for us to see. The torsion has had a long life. I can see these take off on tracks that are normally rougher on the surface and would be curious if they get a following after these tests. My other thought would be ride after a bump. Torsion takes a hit decent and changing ride hight may be alittle easier with just an assembly change for the coil over. Just as you put up the pictures i was going to find the pictures of sammys car to compare. Great job Justin
If you can dial in coil over shocks I think it can be a much better setup. I've been building shocks for 30 years. Not an expert just theis so much more adjustability than what we have now. Just a thought
What do you think?
There's so much more adjustability with valving.
Blaney ran all kinds of setups over the years!
Going to Kokomo for two nights of racing
One of the US touring teams decades ago here in Oz ran 1 or 2 coil cars. Trostles I think and were fast. Really coils should be better though my application is road race. The car that appears to have a bar but is not I suspect is using a small bar as a sway bar.
Sammys coil that far in will not work,, too far away from the wheels. What is he thinking! ALL suspension needs the shock as close to the wheel as possible. Something most drag racers have totally forgotten!
so the formula 1 engineers putting the suspension inboard far away from the wheels have it wrong? if the geometry is correct you can mount the shocks anyway you want
It has leverage and also transfers some load to the left side.
Dont forget Thorson won the friday nite A main at gold cup this year.
Idk but coilovers seem to eventually be the way to go. Its happened with lots of different types of cars.
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Maybe with new innovation, there can be a new generation of Sprint car, one that will bring safety , into the spotlight.., NOMORE Chase Johnson type accidents .., EVER AGAIN..!!! , please..
Bayston is going in the 14 of Corey Day! Thought everyone knew that lol
Did anyone else notice the 83 McFadden car completely passing 12 Kameron Key before a start last night.
I thought they said no passing before the cone? Did they penalize the 83, or just look the other way.
That rule only applies to single file restarts when the cone is placed on the front straightaway. On a double file they can go when the leader goes. 83 was far enough back he could see the leader because of the angle of the turn. Right call unfortunately because I don’t like those toyotas
Well I heard Bayston for replacing Day. If that is the case,he better look real good if he wants that ride 🤔😊
Hi Marie , I think Bayston in the JMR #14 is a solid investment., peck to CJB #5 makes great sense too
@@Neil-f8h yes that is what I heard too. Surprise the announcement didn’t come out when Pursley made his 🤔
@@RegularJoes Day is confirmed to going NASCAR. Confirmed is Pursley in the #13 replacing Peck.
@@RegularJoes some dirt race talk show in a TH-cam. I guess they were talking out their butts 🤣
Who will be Bold enough to put Justin Sanders on a travel team for 2025, hopefully with High Limit..???
If they show speed, they will just get banned like the straight axle late model did.
No
The advancement in shocks compared to when coil overs were tried years ago could make this new interest interesting. Still not sure how they will do on a cowboy-up track.