ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ค. 2024
- Sign up for DIRTRACKR Plus: dirtrackr.com/plus-features
MERCH: shop.dirtrackr.com
Become a channel member: th-cam.com/users/dirtrackrjoin
Get a FloRacing subscription*: share.flosports.tv/SH7K
Protect your hearing at the race track! Grab some premium earplugs* at eargasm.com
Use code "DIRTRACKR10" at checkout for 10% off!
What exactly is tire doping or soaking and why do dirt racers do it? We'll get into that, plus news from XR and more.
Drop a comment below and let me know your thoughts on today's show and topics.
Email/Business/Sponsorship Inquiries: info@dirtrackr.com
Conversations: • All Conversations
Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/5IxeJ7P...
Website: dirtrackr.com
Newsletter: dirtrackr.com/newsletter
Twitter: / dirtrackr
TikTok: / dirtrackr
Instagram: / dirtrackr
Facebook: / dirtrackr
*Affiliate links
#dirtracing #tires #motorsports
Today's Topics:
0:00 Intro
0:20 What exactly is soaking or doping tires?
5:02 Carson Macedo's top ten streak
7:02 XR makes schedule changes
8:15 Streaming schedule
8:29 Outro - กีฬา
I like a durometer rule Do what you want but you must punch(whatever number the factory tire does new -5 or so points) It lets us run used tires much longer and saves us money
I have an idea. If it’s a better tire, why not standardize it for everyone else? It would make sense to have the option to have bragging rights that every team is using YOUR tires for the season because they want to use your better tires. And it incentivizes other teams to make an even better tire and you get more exciting racing year after year with teams competing for having the “tire of the year”.
because they have to have rules to keep teams from spending more and more money to gain an advantage. believe it or not, tighter rules that keep the cars more comparable keeps costs down and racing better
Depending on where you live, city water is probably an effective tire softener!😂
i bet waco tx water is the best for that, you sure can't drink it
Thanks for explaining the tire doping issue, that was helpful.
Love the vid.
I remember as a kid growing up around the PNW Open-Wheel asphalt scene, there were constant allegations and finger pointing throughout the pits for tire soaking.
Back in the day, I was on a pit crew. That had treated tires. IMCA class. But then again we also ran nitro in the fuel. Had a blast up at Husets.
I love that you comment on tire prep.
The tire doping thing has always been a weird issue for me. Like what happens if you run over an oil puddle or spray brake clean on the birdcage and accidentally hit the tire. The reports are always so vague, like “not consistent with original analog” or something. Never go into detail on what compounds are in play. UV exposure has been proven to break down the compounds and give false positives. I say let tire companies loose and do whatever. It’s cheaper than the trick suspension crap that everyone is rabbit holing these days.
Best way to look at it is that if you just roll through it it will only be on the outside if it’s soaked it will be deeper
Someone with an MSc in chemistry and specialized in organic chemistry will be better at explaining this than I am, but the trick to tire compound doping depends on the ability of the particular chemical to be absorbed by the rubber.
Water will not diffuse into rubber. Likewise, oil will not diffuse into rubber. Brake clean tends to be much more volatile (shorter hydrocarbon chains compared to oil) and that could diffuse into rubber. But then you still need enough contact time and enough applied volume to actually let it penetrate the rubber. Then again, brake clean might actually be _too_ volatile to remain captured by the rubber. So it's not like just about any liquid used at a race track can dope the tires.
But either way, just cutting rubber samples on 12 o' clock and, say, 6 o' clock, both from the inside and outside of the tire track, will rule out any accidental contamination.
(Just for some better understanding: many decades ago studded ice and snow tires for rally cars had such effective weakening agents in them that, at room temperature, a hard press with a thumb or finger would leave a fingerprint pressed into the rubber! The FIA banned use of those weakening agents because those compound were pretty seriously carcinogenic.)
This sounds like the time I had a everything bagel with poppy seeds and tested positive for heroin. It was a false test cause I did heroin and cocaine, only one showed up.
Thanks for the explanation.
Great segment on tire soaking Justin. Not sure about the dirt scene, but it's been around in pavement racing for decades. There are a number of home recipes besides the commercial stuff, as well as how it's applied. In my pavement late-model days we had a rotisserie setup that rolled the tire in a pan for a set period of time to either bring back a used tire or make a killer qualifying set! Others just rubbed it on the surface, or used diapers soaked and then shrink wrapped onto the outside. Some tracks had mechanical sniffers that detected chemicals or, believe it or not, had trained dogs to check legality. Nowadays, in some classes tires are locked up between nights and limited allotments for the season are the norm. As for Roth, they may have felt they could get away with it being a new tire this season.
😅I remember the "rotisserie" method of soaking tires was my job as a kid in the late 70's at my old mans garage. From soaking our special re-caps on hobby stocks to our Good Year and McCreary slicks on super stocks.
If the dog pissed on your tire was that indicating a foreign substance or a full doggy bladder?
Follow up question... would the dog piss affect the tire ... ?
And yes almost everyone is trying something.
I've used the soaked papertowel wrapped around with ceran wrap to seal it on the tire with a toluene and diesel mix (was a long time ago, don't remember the ratio) and it worked like a charm to bring back a set of old sport tires for a track day.
I knew the method from rc car racing back in the day, where tire soaking in traction compounds are a must for competition wherever allowed.
It’s called “The World of Outlaws” but there’s rules
I race RC cars as a hobby and tire doping is legal, one of the best products we use is liquid wrench, most of these tire sauces or dopes are petroleum based and soak deep into the rubber and help soften it over the lifetime of the tire
My dad used to use tire sauce on his late model. He built a rig to spin the tire with an old treadmill motor while he applied the sauce with a paint roller.
I know its a lot of work for you, but I'd love to see you add NARC to the analytics section. Keep up the good work.
Some drifters used to bleach their competition tires, in hopes it would create more smoke, but the opposite would happen. The bleach made the rubber crack and dry out, making them lose alot of grip.
Toluene is one chemical that softens rubber. The old tire and wheel company MRT used to sell tire Softener which was made of Toluene and transmission fluid.
Sorry bud, you can't say tranny fluid anymore! The correct term is gender neutral shift juice! It's in the book, along with all the leftist balls!
Toluene is just a carrier for the transmission fluid, it by itself will cause the natural oils in the tire to dissipate drying the tire out and actually making it harder.
Toluene and Zylene are used as curing agents, one fast, one slow.
it matters which you use when.
Transmission fluid can be substituted with WD 40 and diesel
C7H16
Laughed out loud at the aliens tire doping comment
I know a guy that was soaking tires 25 years ago. He would use them for heat races or time trials.
ATP Automotive AT-205 with some automatic transmission fluid mixed in works nice. (not that I would know) Certain series techs/officials, will always cut the samples from the same place on the tire, usually from the outside edge, sometimes from the inside edge. So, if you wanted to gamble, treat the center of the tire and leave the edges alone, might just get past the lab test. (not that I would know either)... I wish dirt racing would go back to the way things were back in the 80's & 90's, not as expensive, not as technical with the rules and the cars, wide open run what ya brung!
I miss the days of different tire manufacturers and chooses of compounds and sipping and dipping secrets, the world of outlaws moto used to be “run what you bring”, then they started adding little rules here and there, the rule book is as big as a Chinese phone book now, it ought to be called The World of Rules
yeah doesn't seem very "outlaw" to have a massive rule book
I work at a race track in the scoring tower and have seen many drivers DQ'd because of tire samples. Thats why they hold the check for the late model divison until the sample comes back good. Whats even better and harder to catch is traction control you really gotta know what you looking for to catch that.
Never used the chemicals as most are highly toxic. I was fortunate that 2 years after i started with this team i had 2 trailers with 3 row tire racks on each i had compounds from 05 gum balls to 55 bricks. I did more with tire groover. Tires pubched like they were supposed to but during race ran softer.
Go to a dirt go kart race that’s a chemical warfare always has been always will be
Well the high limit just postponed there event for tomorrow, but the good news is it’s not cancelled which is good
In Kart racing we had tires ranging from 60-20 on the duromoter lol
Hey Justin any idea how all these rainouts are going to impact WoO and Lucas points fund? Are they gaining or losing money by losing so many shows this year to rain? Is there a chance they cut their points fund if they keep losing races?
Also it's kind of crazy we only have 4 race weekends left until their first elimination "cutoff" and so far their top 15 still has 6 WoO full timers. If we keep getting unlucky weather I wonder if they would disqualify those guys to get their full timers in that cutoff (Hughes, Alberson, Smith, Bruening, Robinson, Roberson would all be cut out)
This is kinda funny cause this type of deal is very common in RC car racing some places don't allow it while some don't care but. You defitnely do notice a difference in performance of the tire at the places that allowed it. It usually gave more grip I wouldn't say the lifespan though ever improved on the tires we applied it to. An actually made the rubber usually softer so they tend to get worn faster from what I noticed lol.
exactly, and the stuff mostly smells like a strong solvent with a bubble gum smell. it definitely wears faster as the rubber is softened, and when you wipe the tire a bit after soaking, a rag or paper towel visibly stains with a bit of dissolved rubber if it's been on long enough. in my case when i first started using it for 1/10 touring cars on carpet it was too much grip and it would roll even with a harder suspension etc lol, so i started soaking less or doing half the tire.
@@962RACER haha 100% man I see more guys doing the half tire soak usually the inner edge vs outer but. I just always find it cool how Rc cars are really similar to larger sizes vehicles and def does help someone understand cars a bit better basics wise. I think thats why they're great for kids to get into.
every soak is good for 1 heat cycle. depending on the soaks is how many heat cycles you can get out of that tire
When we were allowed to soak tires in the mid 2010s I could take a tire reading 60 in hardness down to the mid 20s. You could sink your fingernail in it. Easily 3 to 5 tenths a lap faster.
The race is won at home not at the track I can't tell how many nights we spent treatingbtires we had different softness tires for different track conditions
Justin! Awesome video once again my friend! Appreciate your work! Id like to upload a video about tire prep and the ins and out to send it your way.... There is alot to know! For me the most condemning piece of evidence is the end of the race - the speed he had and the line he was able to lay down ( late in the race ) definitely makes me feel there was some tire tampering going on.... Thats exactly what you want a preped tire to do and how that race went is exactly how you get a preped tire to fire off.... Couple heat cycles - late into the race - the harder the tire will bite.... I would have like to have seen his tires after the races - there is a good chance there would have been visual indications of how much and how long ago the tire was prepared - i would like to know why they chose him for a tire test? Maybe someone seen something SUS.... Or maybe it was actually a random chance .... It is possible for a tire to never see prep and still pop dirty - storage conditions can play an effect..... These chemicals are very potent - you never get rid of the vapors - i have a karting trailer that hasnt had anything in it for almost 2 years - you open the door and you instantly smell the prep.... I store extra tires in a black trash bag when not on a car ( 2 to a bag ) i have to make sure ( non prep ) and ( prepped ) tires don't end up in the same bag - in the right conditions the non prepped tire can become contaminated and will fail and core sample test..... ( But ) - it is also very obvious the difference between a prepped ( worked tire ) and a tire that just soaked up some contaminants.... Prepping isnt something you just rub on and go - it takes cycles and stages and controled conditions - its a extremely controlled ( Art ) a good preper will start a week or more in advance... The way those tires hit - screem prep. Just my opinion
As I understand it, they tested the top three cars after that Pevely feature.
Also - undetectable means - unidentifiable..... There is no getting around the manipulation of the tire structure and chemical make up - like you said -but there are chemicals you can use to mask and disguise the chemicals..... Some of the older technology may have struggled getting proper Readings but that's not the case anymore.... Undetectable simply means the chemicals will come back inconclusive or unidentifiable....
They do top 3 even at small local races in my area now. Late models and this season announced street stocks and super streets will have tires sampled too
I remember my dad used to soak his tires in store brand orange soda in the 90s. They won lots of races.
I’ve heard some guys say just cleaning a tire with turtle wax or other cleaning products can make a slightly used tire test dirty on a blue ridge labs test.
Yep
I heard the same about using Simple Green to clean tires would then test as doped
@@speedyd1971 yes sir - anything really can trip it off .
@@speedyd1971I used Simple Green to clean my RC tires, and when I picked up the stack, they would be stuck together.
We used to take beach towels or bath towels and soak them in diesel then wrap them around the tread part of the tires for 24 hours. It makes the tires a lot softer and it will grip the dirt tracks really good
That works if the track is soft. If the track is hard and glazed, anything petroleum based will slick over when it gets real hot. You get a snap spin, no warning, zero traction.
They tried to do that in kart racing but gave up on it . We all were doing it so they could not control it.
Great info on tire doping. All teams should be responsible for decisions that they make. Great show!
Why do you think teams are wrapping their tires in plastic?
I could teach a class on tire doping.. 😂
I used to look for ATF on the track if they ran before us. Just kinda roll though it.
We used to run a dirt car back in about 1994-2001 and found brushing the tire with Toluene overnight did indeed soften and help the tires that got hard from getting hot or "glazed" the week before. BUT be warned, Toluene is very toxic to the nervous system so definitely don't use without good precautions and protections.
I race 1/8 and 1/10 scale off road and there is an entire segment of our industry devoted to what we call tire sauce. Honestly in 1/8 off road we just use PB Blaster to dope our tires. Seems to be the best and cheapest. Traction on dirt is super important so any way you can make more is huge.
I was watching this to see how close it is was to what we do in the Rc world
also simple green
Is tire sampling/testing new to sprint cars? I remember hearing about tire doping becoming a big deal in late models around 20 years ago. Everyone said it was out of control in go karts and pavement late models before that.
Your aloud to do it in karting now… some great products that would just make big racing more competitive.
ya its a big no-no in most asphalt racing nowadays. im sure people do it though. i raced legends and they had a tire hardness test. we could cut our tires though, but they were treaded
someone i go to autocross with uses toluene and ts defiantly faster for a few laps he sprays the tire down then wraps t in something to keep it moist for a few days
our rule supposedly is to heat the tire in a spot to 200 degrees,clean area and stab it and it has to be over 50. SO this means you can soak your 75 tire to a 50 reading with out a chemical analysis. Nice way to approve it with out approving it.
Many years ago, to save some money, I tried a tire softening compound on drag slicks. Didn’t work.
If several teams are getting busted each year then you almost have to roll the dice and do it also. Or get beat. I bet all of them rolling the dice tbh.
It’s very prevalent in dirt racing and there a few guys who do alot of tires for several teams that know what chemicals show in standard and can get away with it.
You know the deal
If anyone has ever been to a dirt circle track go-kart race then you know what preping is, we can take a tire that punches around 65 with a deromitor & add a couple of coats of prep & within 45 minutes have that same tire soften up to around 40 & this has been going on in karting for thepast 10 years we have been prepping, also we have whats called a hot box to where we put the tires into a box woth prep in the bottoms & the tires are on a rotisserie with a heat bar to keep the tire at a high temperature so thd prep will soak into the tires. So the late model tire drama is about 10 years behind what we have been doing in karting, & my question was why are these dirt & drag racers are so slow on there tire prepping
Within karting, it’s been a lot longer than ten years. Twenty five years ago we softened tires with creosote and a torch. Late model guys both in asphalt and dirt have been doing it as well.
To finish my comment. I'm involved in dirt kart racing, where tire prep is allowed, inside, outside, grinding and rolling.
As you maybe aware these tires are slicks on dirt.
I went to a race where someone won $25,000 for 2 classes, that's big money kart racing. The other side of it having 26 to 30 tires to compete.
I would rather run no prep, but l don't make the rules.
There are some cleaning agents that will cause a failed test also..
Ultimately tire rules should be toss out. If teams use tire chemicals let them they will go through more tires more are sold. Most people don’t remember open tires rules times any manufacturer any compound but series stopped that with tire company helping with end of the year payouts.
Acetone will brake the tire compound down & some kinda oil will condition the tire, IV seen people make home made prep out of finger nail polish & 1/2 quarte of transmission oil.,
Everyone is treating tires period, if you aren't cheating you aren't trying. If you read the rules and just showed up with the car to spec stock rules you'll probably not make the A feature. I'm assuming they went too soft and that's why they got caught. I'd think you'd want the RR to be harder on sprints and LM for the features because you see the guys with the super softs go ballistic for 15 laps and then fade or blow the RR off the rim. Glad the officials are least making an attempt to check tires. Doing what rules officials SHOULD do at every track.
Theres countless ways a tire will not meet bench mark .. Labs are comparing a new tire against a raced tire.. The tracks put different chemicals in the tracks for track prep reasons .. Its a 50/50 chance how a raced tire will test ...
Kart racing is completely out of hand, when it comes to tires! New sets all the time and days and days of working the in chemicals, hot boxs, and what ever else they dream up to get that bite. If your not doing it, your not going to compete, baddest motor won’t help you, without the grip. 5:10
I agree, that's why a lot of people have gotten out of it in the last 20 years. There's no reason we can't find a solution. Supposed to be an affordable dirt track sport and if you want to be competitive you have to spend thousands every year
In my opinion Roth is a team under pressure, J Mac is not consistent enough at the moment. I love J Mac, I actually put together his first sprint car and watched his first ever drive in one. I don’t think he knew anything about it and he did rip it up to finish 2nd that night. Roth has never been a team without big expectations. On the flip side how consistent is the new Tyre? Are Hoosier having any problems with supply? I guess the answers will come at the appeal. Just a shame for one of the truly nice guys of the sport to be caught up in this mess. I hope you find your groove again soon J Mac ❤
Now I know that tire soaking isn’t just putting one tire inside another tire and not moving it in and out.
dont look up docking
I actually looked up the tire dope to see how much it would cost for a team to have a bunch of it lying around. It's honestly VERY cheap. Like I was shocked how cheap it is to buy the exact can shown in the video. Wouldn't surprise me to find out a lot of guys run doped tires... That being said I'm not saying it's definitely a thing, just saying it wouldn't surprise me
The entire Kart racing industry is built on prepping, and speaking from experience these teams seek out kart preppers to come over and work on their tire programs.
Hey Justin. Thanx for the info. Did not know that much about cheating in the dirt world. I never really thought about it much just a fan and always believed in obeying the rules.
That tire stuff is everywhere in the asphalt oval scene
The good stuff in DLM racing is on the black market and it’s $120 a gallon
Wondering if regrooving tires to a different tread pattern is legal? I know in rallying teams will legally regroove to sharpen the edges of the tread blocks or remove tread blocks to open a tire up to allow mud to clear and allow the tire to dirt deeper for better grip.
No it's not
Virtually not a tyre used that is not grooved or siped.
No. We always grooved our Hoosiers and siped. Use to do up 25% life left Right Rears after a light grind with groover and hog the treads back open. Then sipe.
@@somethinburnin In the mid 80's I crewed for a dirt late model. My main job during the week was to take care of the qualifying and race tires. Besides keeping the grooves clean and sharp I had special patterns for different track conditions. We never used the tire softener but I remember going to another racers garage with the driver and in the corner was a single workbench with a gear reduction setup that had a wide 5 hub mounted to the large gear with a 5 gallon can of Balls softener not hidden very well on the shelf under the bench.
Hot Lap basically WD40 & Lighter Fluid 50/50
trake a look at rc car drivers lots of tire dope and compounds used to alter the rubber.
Justin is it possible to check tires say before the feature?
They can take samples at any point, but the lab results take a while to come back.
@@DIRTRACKR ok thx for the reply. From Mike,Steve Kinser fan from Indiana. LOL
All they have to do is smell the tire, they wrap them up so the trailers don’t smell like tire dope and if the tires “bleed” any of the prep, the wrap keeps it on the tire.. But the pros will give all kinds of excuses
lol dirt kart racing is All PREP ALL DAY. own min 20 different flavors of prep sometimes the grid is soaked in prep melt you shoes off 😂😂😂
Polygraph test is insane
been doing this on go-kart dirt tracks for years!
soak them in this, wipe them down with that, toss them in the oven for X and magically you got some stupid soft, hard, stiffer sidewall, looser sidewall, and ohhh lawd any track condition you like.
I has been a common knowledge on the dirt guys doing it. +
Question: Chemically treating them is illegal. However, I've seen in the past additional grooves and artificially scuffing done to them. Is that considered illegal?
Grooving and siping is allowed in a lot of divisions and series.
@@DIRTRACKR I appreciate your reply. Thank you.
Diesel fuel and PB Blaster mixed will soften tires big time
You could have made this much better by focusing more on tyre alterations showing video example of the advantage in previous races pictures of a normal tyre a altered tyre and so on but you just basically got me interested and switched over to a dude in some racing streak
M.E.K AND OIL OF WINTERGREEN HOOKS YOU UP, SIMPLE GREEN TO CLEAN JUST SAYIN 😂
there is some stuff that no prep drag racing guys use called stripper glitter ""cuz that stuff sticks to everything""
For a 1/8th track.
I find it hard to believe most traveling teams have time to dope tires.
So Hoosier American racer etc. have tried to boogey man tire Chemicals for years now claiming makes tires blowout randomly etc. and the simple fact is that’s not true. If you can read the instructions on the container and follow them especially with stuff like hot lap etc. it can help get more life outta the tire like not getting too hard after a few heat cycles it can bring back a set of older tires that may have been sitting out and got harder over time. What happens to those places when tires last longer ? They don’t sell as many am I the only one that notices these tires don’t last like they used to back in the day ? No different that Hoosier claiming grooving tires is unsafe now and pushing sanctioning bodies to outlaw tire grooving. The worst thing that’s gonna happen if you do it wrong is your gonna over soften a set of tires and lock yourself down. And the chemicals being unsafe blah blah yea they aren’t safe but so is oil and brake fluid , tranny fluid, fuel etc. and guess what ? Most of those chemicals are a mixture of all of those so unless your drinking it it’s no different than dealing with the other chemicals that involve race car maintenance
Let them all dope if they want. However test every winner’s tires, if they test negative award them additional $10,000 or more. Test for the as ordered tires.
I'm a little late to the party but I think it is important to mention that the teams are allowed to modify the tire with a tire grover.
That is actually decent information.
Also i guess im super late to the party 🍻😂
I cant understand why they dont allow it for everyone. Alot of time and money wasted doing tire samples imo.
IMO if they are saving money it should not be a rule!!!
I can tell you in "RC" racing with no real tire rule. The clay on the track gets in the tire, making it hard and brittle (you lose both grip and tire life) many of the top racers will wash the tire with a cleaner (at the end of every run) to get the clay out the tire (simple green works well for this) but here the crazy thing - one of the best ways to recondition the tire to get more grip and last longer is WD-40 (best to lightly brush it on and let it sit 15min before next run - in the sun if you can).
ATF diesel M PB blazer..... No I don't soak my tires😂
Its alot cheaper than 10 grand for shocks searching for traction, idk why its illegal, people will be spending money for infinity searching for more traction, and this is by far cheaper
In James mcfadens case it was kangaroo shit 😂
Now do traction control...
*coughcough*BeNiceToMattShepard*coughcough
What is the big deal with tire "doping"? Why the rules? Is it just an obsession with the racing organizations to regulate everything?
Tire prep. Roll on from outside. Soak in from inside. Your not fast in go karts without it unfortunately
Dave gravel to the front.
Hell, we used to inject steroids, in to the tires all the time🙄
I did not this.
Have Hoosier install new tires on all wheels while they are waiting on the starting grid for the big money races. Issue solved
HA!!HA!! “Super rational...”
Because they are raised on tire dope in go karts
Woo brought this cheating on themselves and its all there fault if they didnt implement gambling into racing then teams would most likely not cheat. Dash draws have no place in racing but Woo does it because over 50% of there races are won from the front row and its why they have dash draws to mix up who wins creating a false narrative that there is parody in there sport and its a false sense of competition. You think its right for a guy to be fast time and win his heat and go on to draw the 8 pill and be buried in the field?I think its why people cheat in this crappy era of winged racing were in, there is no rivalries which stinks and lack of innovation its just every driver going to the sprint car walmart buying there parts and of course being forced to buy the WRG hoosier tire that benefits only WRG and nobody else and they race and talent does not have a huge input anymore instead its there starting spots that are also determined by Woo how nice for Woo that they are constantly controlling the narrative. With no end to this madness in the near future teams are going to cheat to find any edge they can cause remember there is no innovation those days are over. The real problem is Woo and there lust for control over every aspect of winged racing, why not make smaller rear tires like what they had 20 years ago and make smaller wings that dont support those larger tires locking the cars down to the track? It would put driver in the car again and talent would matter and any ole swinging dick starting on the front row wont win over half the races anymore and the cheating would stop because there would be seperation, there is none and its why its not pleasent to be a controlled sheep like the Woo boys are. If WRG was is big as they think they are then they would not feel inferior and when Geo won that 50k at the lakeside speedway they would have introduced him when he came out the friday following the tuesday he won by saying " Coming off the 50k to win race earlier this week are rookie of the year Geo picked up was impressive, i mean something some sort of acknowlegement you know, but Woo feels a threat of some sort over two guys putting on a different series getting crowds and getting car counts during the week i might add that they cant bare to mention it or bring any light to it at all for a reason. I say its because Woo is being shown that two guys drinking a beer can sit down and the next day form a sprint car series and that there not as important as they think they are there threatened by it folks believe it. Because there sure petty about it. Here is a boring shitty stat for you to look up if you dont believe.... every single WOO heat race this year so far has been won off the front row. They put fast guys on the front row asking them not to race cause they dont have to then there asked to get in line for Woo to tell them where there going to start. Bahhhh bahhhhh sheep do what your told for 10grand to win that we paid back in 1982 to win and there the premier series😂😂😂😂😂 #HighLimit #KyleLarson #BradSweet
Premounted tire lmao
Just legalise the use of tyre additives then everybody will use them & nobody will have an advantage.
Might be simpler to let everyone treat their tires.
When we raced in the 70s, guys used bleach. We could afford to be buying tires so we didn't do it.
Everyone has access to same chemicals so who cares let them do what they wish.
With a series this oldschool ,let them have some freedom for diversity between teams, just look at the outdated aerodynamics, they need help, how about fuel injection?
It’s called OUTLAWS!!! Why do they NEED tire rules at all??? Let them ALL do whatever they want!!!
They have that type of racing, it's just not winged sprint cars...lol
They truly are dangerous chemicals he is not joking, flat track go karts do it a lot and it’s awful
This is ridiculous these rules they should just let it go everybody could use it and that's the end of it