I jumped on the perlite propagation train about 5 months ago and WON'T be getting off anytime soon!😂 especially for my hoyas..ive seen much faster AND healthier growth than I ever have in sphagnum moss or water👍 Love your videos! ❤
That is awesome! I have a local hoya expert FB friend and her prop methods are perlite and leca. I guess I will be comparing these two methods in the next experiment lol
Try 2 ltre soda/coca cola plastic bottles cut open and fitted back, sealed with plastic wrap in a perlite or perlite and vermiculite mix. 14 days from start to plant in light and well draing growing mix.
Thanks for sharing! The experiments are so helpful. I've tried perlite propagation for succulent leaves and that has worked great as I just add a small amount of water in the bottom of the tray of perlite.
I gathered my hoya carnosa princess cuttings and some water, played your video and you were basically doing the same thing! Synchronicity 😀. I prefer water, but I might put a few cuttings in perlite just to see what happens. Great video 💚💚💚
Wonderful! Water has always worked great for me (until this video), but I am definitely interested in the perlite method now. Thanks for watching and hope you stick around for more!
I'm a fan of water propagation for most everything but hoya I do in sphagnum moss, always. I put moistened sphagnum moss in a nursery pot, stick my hoya cuttings down all the way to the first set of leaves and put it in a small plastic seedling box. When it comes to potting up I soak the cuttings in water and gently swish the water around the roots. That way most of the sphagnum falls off without too much fuss and whatever remains I just leave as is. My soil mix is airy and well draining, I've never had any issue with root rot because of the scraps of sphagnum left over. If anything, because I tend to underwater, it has helped my cuttings establish better!
Thanks for sharing Sylvie. I am okay with using sphagnum moss for rooting a hoya (I don't think I've ever used moss for rooting before....), but what I don't like is when you buy a well established plant in moss. It is a nightmare to get all that moss off without damaging the roots. It was definitely easier to remove the moss with these tiny roots...maybe I'm just soured from the other times I've had to remove the moss hahaha.
The spagnum moss need not to be removed before planting. It aid root growth and drainage. However, the sharp edges on perlite aids speedy root formation.
I like to use a perlite-stratum mixture in net pots with a reservoir for rooting small cuttings or rehabbing a plant. Roots grow really fast in stratum but it's a little pricy. Adding perlite (or pon) slows down how much I use and gives it a little more aeration. It doesn't need humidity or a heat mat like I usually need when using moss.
Neat perlite does the job for me. Potato and banana peals soaked in plenty of water for 14 days and then diluted as a fertiliser works well once cuttings have been transplanted in a growing medium.
I literally repotted a philodendron that was grown and sold to me in moss. Great plant, great condition but the anxiety level of teasing and soaking the moss off the roots was .. a thing. I did the best I could BUT .. I thought if I pushed (or pulled) any further I was going to damage and break roots. So I took off as much as I could but eventually some in the centre did end up going into the new chunky mix. Hopefully no rot but .. it was an experience. Thanks for sharing this video. I am interested in the perlite method and will do that next time I'm propogating.
I've done this with a few plants in moss as well and I definitely should have taken off more. They seem to have done okay and like you said jist make sure it's in a chunky mix.
Interesting. I've only ever tried to root my Hoyas in water, and l generally have good luck except with crimson queen and crimson princess. I was so curious to see your experiment for this reason. From now on, l plan to use perlite when rooting those particular Hoyas, and quite possibly other varieties.
Hey Laura. Instead of using the bag method I now use the perlite prop box. I have many videos on this method, but here is the latest video! th-cam.com/video/NS6SgYTO7AU/w-d-xo.html
I am using the water method. Takes a few weeks to root. I have several hoyas that were not really expensive a couple of years ago and have grown beautifully…some tendrils over two feet long! Also use the water method sith the carnosa compact? I LOVE my hoyas!!! Thanks for this video.
I came across your video. Love the info you have to give. I usually use water, leca or ,perlite depending on what I’m propagating. I get a lot of success. I haven’t tried props for Hoya yet but came across a curtisii and I’m trying it in soil that’s in a clear nursery pot with a dome and water. Thanks again for the info.
I just started testing out using straight coco coir in a seed tray sitting in a propagation box to see how fast my cuttings will root. *Micans, Adonsonii, and Cebu Blue. Good test video btw. 👍
I have had fairly good success removing sphagnum from rooted cuttings by putting the cutting in a basin (or similar container) filled with lukewarm water. I find it's much easier to tease the moss away and not hurt/damage the roots than by doing it in open air. It's effective for rooting, BUT I'm not a fan of using the moss for rooting because it's so difficult to get off the roots, and would not choose to use it for Hoyas, except as a last resort.
@@EverythingPlants, I'm currently attempting to root some Krimson Princess cuttings in LECA. I've used it successfully on Hoya obscura, and have purchased a couple of cuttings of other Hoyas that had started rooting in it (australis & diptera), and continued until I felt they were ready to transition to my Hoya mix (I use a mixture of potting soil, perlite and orchid bark in roughly equal quantities, along with a bit of LECA), but this is my first attempt at using it on a variety usually rooted in water. I wondered if I was being a bit over-zealous in not using water, but after seeing your results, I think I made the right decision! Your video was perfectly timed for me. :)
@@robparsons213 that is one of the mediums I have in my next video for Saturday...LECA. How are you preparing it? I filled Up the vessel half with water but it didn't seem like the top half was absorbing any moisture, so I fill 9t with water. I have no idea what I did, but it had horrible results. Stay tuned lol
I have a piece of Hoya that I managed to salvage from my plant and I'm trying to root it in vermiculite. I think I'm gonna scrap that and try the perlite method in a bag. Thanks for the video ☺️
It would be interesting to see what you think to leca for propogating. I've found things seem to root quicker when suspended in leca and water - maybe they feel like they've been 'planted' more? I dunno, but it's working well for me. Great video! I'll be trying perlite when I get a new bag.
That’s for this comparison! I have only tried water once with maranta and was curious to see how cuttings would do in perlite. Wondering if you would try putting stems in perlite that only have a node and no leaf? I have a little monstera Peru with a long vine with about 4/5 modes but no leaf growth thinking about trying to propagate the vine.
My hoya australis had a leafless vine I propogated. It rooted in water really well, and is now putting out leaf growth along the vine. Not sure if that means your Peru would do the same, but thought I'd mention it.
A lot of people do node propagation without leaves all the time. The big craze right now is the monstera albo (fancy plant) lol where they lay it down in moss or other mediums. I would just make sure it is in a bright area and eventually it may produce growth. I would think there is a higher failure rate then compared to having a leaf (maybe a new experiment video).
In a bucket (or smaller container) fil with filtered (or boiled and cooled,) water, let soak for an hour or so, pour off the water and fill your rooting container with wet perlite.
interesting to see the perlite results, am about to take some hoya pubicalyx cuttings this weekend! i recently tried to root cuttings from a watermelon dischidia - no luck with water, good results with sphagnum moss, but as you say it's difficult to remove the moss without harming the roots. have only tried perlite with a monstera peru before, but i had issues with other stuff growing much faster than the roots... 😒 did you try with open bags or did you keep them closed most of the time even in the sun? don't know if the issues i had were due to lack of aeration or too little light 🤷♀️
@@EverythingPlants I've got a box going right now, actually :) I had issues with algae growing at first (maybe it's not a problem, but I figured it might block the light), so now I either air the box occasionally or leave the lid slightly ajar, and it works well! The dischidias seem to love it, lipstick plants worked as well and now I'm trying out different tree cactuses . My Hoya pubicalyx grew roots so quickly in water too that it was difficult to see a big difference, but I might try again. Cuttings in water is still more space efficient in my limited space, but for the more finicky plants it's a good option :)
I would recommend a larger bag that you can reuse repeatedly - one that stands up wide on the bottom, so your leaves don't touch the sides. Better yet, a clear or clear-ish plastic container is the best.
I have never tried perlite to prop in. I have been doing some straight leaf cuttings and it is going well! I find with water if you put a pothos cutting in it then it tend to root better (no idea why!)
tbh, i just like terrarium style perlite propogation in general. I don't need to change out the water, it's a nice humid environment. As far as the plant is concerned, its pretty much perfect.
I root all my hoyas in leca and they are easy to transition to dirt or leave in leca. Perlite is great for really hard to root plants like monstera Peru.
@@EverythingPlants yeah, I tried the Peru in water and it just sat there and was limp. So I put it in a shallow Rubbermaid container and just laid it on the perlite, I completely forgot about it while it sat on a dark shelf and it has finally rooted. I thought it had died or rotted so I forgot about it. I also finally got wet sticks of cerestis mirabilis to root in perlite in soup containers. It took a long time for them though.
@@ThePlantUtopia I have a stubborn tetrasperma that did the same thing in water...nothing. Popped it in perlite and like a week later the tiniest new root growth starting.
I don't really see a problem with sfagnum moss, do you really need to remove it before potting? I've heard about both methods but haven't try myself. If you have alot of cuttings even of different plants you can place them in containers just the same way. Just wandering what other plants will propagate this way. Thanks for the video, it's very useful!
Hello Julia. If you are potting into soil then yes make sure every piece of moss is off those roots. Sphagnum moss holds moisture and its okay when it's just in moss because it still has decent air flow/circulation, but as soon as it's in soil there is no air movement and that wet moss can cause root rot. Now for perlite....you can root any plant you can fit in a prop box. I have propagated many different types of plants so far. I donhave a few perlite prop box videos is you like to check them out.
If you are repotting into soil...then yes. Get as much off as you possibly can, because the moss stays moist and could potentially cause root rot if there is too much left on. The reason you don't get rot when it is in moss is there is airflow. When it is in soil it is more dense and less airflow causing those roots to stay moist longer if there is moss around them.
You are probably correct. I have had a couple plants, in the past, decline and when I take it out there was still quiet a bit of moss left on the roots...
I jumped on the perlite propagation train about 5 months ago and WON'T be getting off anytime soon!😂 especially for my hoyas..ive seen much faster AND healthier growth than I ever have in sphagnum moss or water👍 Love your videos! ❤
That is awesome! I have a local hoya expert FB friend and her prop methods are perlite and leca. I guess I will be comparing these two methods in the next experiment lol
Try 2 ltre soda/coca cola plastic bottles cut open and fitted back, sealed with plastic wrap in a perlite or perlite and vermiculite mix. 14 days from start to plant in light and well draing growing mix.
This is the fist time I have heard of rooting plants in perlite. I’m definitely going to try this method. Thanks for the great information.
You are very welcome.
Thanks for sharing! The experiments are so helpful. I've tried perlite propagation for succulent leaves and that has worked great as I just add a small amount of water in the bottom of the tray of perlite.
Wow. Thanks for sharing this.
I gathered my hoya carnosa princess cuttings and some water, played your video and you were basically doing the same thing! Synchronicity 😀. I prefer water, but I might put a few cuttings in perlite just to see what happens. Great video 💚💚💚
Wonderful! Water has always worked great for me (until this video), but I am definitely interested in the perlite method now. Thanks for watching and hope you stick around for more!
I'm a fan of water propagation for most everything but hoya I do in sphagnum moss, always. I put moistened sphagnum moss in a nursery pot, stick my hoya cuttings down all the way to the first set of leaves and put it in a small plastic seedling box.
When it comes to potting up I soak the cuttings in water and gently swish the water around the roots. That way most of the sphagnum falls off without too much fuss and whatever remains I just leave as is. My soil mix is airy and well draining, I've never had any issue with root rot because of the scraps of sphagnum left over. If anything, because I tend to underwater, it has helped my cuttings establish better!
Thanks for sharing Sylvie. I am okay with using sphagnum moss for rooting a hoya (I don't think I've ever used moss for rooting before....), but what I don't like is when you buy a well established plant in moss. It is a nightmare to get all that moss off without damaging the roots. It was definitely easier to remove the moss with these tiny roots...maybe I'm just soured from the other times I've had to remove the moss hahaha.
The spagnum moss need not to be removed before planting. It aid root growth and drainage. However, the sharp edges on perlite aids speedy root formation.
I like to use a perlite-stratum mixture in net pots with a reservoir for rooting small cuttings or rehabbing a plant. Roots grow really fast in stratum but it's a little pricy. Adding perlite (or pon) slows down how much I use and gives it a little more aeration. It doesn't need humidity or a heat mat like I usually need when using moss.
That's awesome! Thanks Dionne
Neat perlite does the job for me. Potato and banana peals soaked in plenty of water for 14 days and then diluted as a fertiliser works well once cuttings have been transplanted in a growing medium.
I literally repotted a philodendron that was grown and sold to me in moss. Great plant, great condition but the anxiety level of teasing and soaking the moss off the roots was .. a thing. I did the best I could BUT .. I thought if I pushed (or pulled) any further I was going to damage and break roots. So I took off as much as I could but eventually some in the centre did end up going into the new chunky mix. Hopefully no rot but .. it was an experience. Thanks for sharing this video. I am interested in the perlite method and will do that next time I'm propogating.
I've done this with a few plants in moss as well and I definitely should have taken off more. They seem to have done okay and like you said jist make sure it's in a chunky mix.
I liked this comparison video.
Thanks Cindy
I'm going to use the perlite method going forward, for sure!!
Awesome!
Interesting!
I was so thrilled to see that perlite did well!
Perlite & Leca are my choice for rooting cuttings. I’ve had good results every time👍
Nice!!!
Interesting. I've only ever tried to root my Hoyas in water, and l generally have good luck except with crimson queen and crimson princess. I was so curious to see your experiment for this reason. From now on, l plan to use perlite when rooting those particular Hoyas, and quite possibly other varieties.
Hey Laura. Instead of using the bag method I now use the perlite prop box. I have many videos on this method, but here is the latest video!
th-cam.com/video/NS6SgYTO7AU/w-d-xo.html
I am using the water method. Takes a few weeks to root. I have several hoyas that were not really expensive a couple of years ago and have grown beautifully…some tendrils over two feet long! Also use the water method sith the carnosa compact? I LOVE my hoyas!!! Thanks for this video.
I pretty much use perlite for most of my propagations, but have upgraded to a box 📦
Yes pearlite!😊
I came across your video. Love the info you have to give. I usually use water, leca or ,perlite depending on what I’m propagating. I get a lot of success. I haven’t tried props for Hoya yet but came across a curtisii and I’m trying it in soil that’s in a clear nursery pot with a dome and water. Thanks again for the info.
I propagate ALL my hoyas in a perlite prop box. It has been so successful and quick
I just started testing out using straight coco coir in a seed tray sitting in a propagation box to see how fast my cuttings will root. *Micans, Adonsonii, and Cebu Blue. Good test video btw. 👍
Let me know how your test goes!
Thank you so much!!
Coco coir needs something sharp edged added like pool filter sand to promote rooting. Neat perlite works well instead.
Hey I really appreciate your experiment so I know! Thank you for doing it successfully!
I prefer perlite
Thank you!
i love your channel, i like using perlite to root my plants too
That's great! And thanks for supporting my channel.
I have had fairly good success removing sphagnum from rooted cuttings by putting the cutting in a basin (or similar container) filled with lukewarm water. I find it's much easier to tease the moss away and not hurt/damage the roots than by doing it in open air. It's effective for rooting, BUT I'm not a fan of using the moss for rooting because it's so difficult to get off the roots, and would not choose to use it for Hoyas, except as a last resort.
Thanks again Rob. I have another Hoya propagation video out this Saturday you should also check out.
@@EverythingPlants, I'm currently attempting to root some Krimson Princess cuttings in LECA. I've used it successfully on Hoya obscura, and have purchased a couple of cuttings of other Hoyas that had started rooting in it (australis & diptera), and continued until I felt they were ready to transition to my Hoya mix (I use a mixture of potting soil, perlite and orchid bark in roughly equal quantities, along with a bit of LECA), but this is my first attempt at using it on a variety usually rooted in water. I wondered if I was being a bit over-zealous in not using water, but after seeing your results, I think I made the right decision! Your video was perfectly timed for me. :)
@@robparsons213 that is one of the mediums I have in my next video for Saturday...LECA. How are you preparing it? I filled Up the vessel half with water but it didn't seem like the top half was absorbing any moisture, so I fill 9t with water. I have no idea what I did, but it had horrible results. Stay tuned lol
I use water for everything. Things have worked out so far 🤞🏻 I think will try the perlite though in future. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching. I have always had good luck with water, but I so intrigued with the perlite props.
I am using perlite on orego cuttings with success. Those have been notoriously difficult and slow before perlite.
I have a piece of Hoya that I managed to salvage from my plant and I'm trying to root it in vermiculite. I think I'm gonna scrap that and try the perlite method in a bag. Thanks for the video ☺️
Good luck! I did another bag method video and in that one I stood them upright instead of on its side.
It would be interesting to see what you think to leca for propogating. I've found things seem to root quicker when suspended in leca and water - maybe they feel like they've been 'planted' more? I dunno, but it's working well for me. Great video! I'll be trying perlite when I get a new bag.
If you follow Shays Plants on instagram, she's a fan of leca.
I have some new hoya cuttings rooting in leca.....video to follow! Thanks Jon.
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching!!!
That’s for this comparison! I have only tried water once with maranta and was curious to see how cuttings would do in perlite. Wondering if you would try putting stems in perlite that only have a node and no leaf? I have a little monstera Peru with a long vine with about 4/5 modes but no leaf growth thinking about trying to propagate the vine.
My hoya australis had a leafless vine I propogated. It rooted in water really well, and is now putting out leaf growth along the vine. Not sure if that means your Peru would do the same, but thought I'd mention it.
@@jonmcintosh8653 thanks for sharing!
A lot of people do node propagation without leaves all the time. The big craze right now is the monstera albo (fancy plant) lol where they lay it down in moss or other mediums. I would just make sure it is in a bright area and eventually it may produce growth. I would think there is a higher failure rate then compared to having a leaf (maybe a new experiment video).
How did you pre-soak the perlite?
I used a spray bottle until there was small amount of water pooling on the bottom and then I let it sit for a bit before adding the cuttings.
In a bucket (or smaller container) fil with filtered (or boiled and cooled,) water, let soak for an hour or so, pour off the water and fill your rooting container with wet perlite.
interesting to see the perlite results, am about to take some hoya pubicalyx cuttings this weekend! i recently tried to root cuttings from a watermelon dischidia - no luck with water, good results with sphagnum moss, but as you say it's difficult to remove the moss without harming the roots. have only tried perlite with a monstera peru before, but i had issues with other stuff growing much faster than the roots... 😒 did you try with open bags or did you keep them closed most of the time even in the sun? don't know if the issues i had were due to lack of aeration or too little light 🤷♀️
How did your perlite propagations go?
@@EverythingPlants I've got a box going right now, actually :) I had issues with algae growing at first (maybe it's not a problem, but I figured it might block the light), so now I either air the box occasionally or leave the lid slightly ajar, and it works well! The dischidias seem to love it, lipstick plants worked as well and now I'm trying out different tree cactuses . My Hoya pubicalyx grew roots so quickly in water too that it was difficult to see a big difference, but I might try again. Cuttings in water is still more space efficient in my limited space, but for the more finicky plants it's a good option :)
Great video
Thanks Shelley
I use perlite mostley. Sometimes water.
I have never had good results with moss.
I almost always use perlite
I would recommend a larger bag that you can reuse repeatedly - one that stands up wide on the bottom, so your leaves don't touch the sides. Better yet, a clear or clear-ish plastic container is the best.
I've moved them all to a prop box!
I think I would use the perlite.
It has been working out so well for me. Good luck with your props....have you tried it yet?
I have never tried perlite to prop in. I have been doing some straight leaf cuttings and it is going well! I find with water if you put a pothos cutting in it then it tend to root better (no idea why!)
I have heard this as well! You should do an experiment video....I kind of want to now too hahaha
@@EverythingPlants you should!
@@EverythingPlants you should!
Where do we earthlings get those bell jar set ups, like the one on the bottom right if your screen shot? TIA.
Hello. I got this at Jysk Canada.
www.jysk.ca/home-decor/candles/reidar-hurricane-glass-4a70d9109a6a75aba8de2ea3409a8067.html
tbh, i just like terrarium style perlite propogation in general. I don't need to change out the water, it's a nice humid environment. As far as the plant is concerned, its pretty much perfect.
Agreed. Hoya, average 14 days cutting to planting.
I’m propagating with perlite atm too. I don’t like sphagnum moss at all (looks like rotting roots!) and it’s not available locally.
How has perlite worked for you so far? I am really liking it.
@@EverythingPlants Good roots after 3 weeks on Adansonii and wax ivy 😃
Hello 👋
How many times should I open the bag for air and how often should I spray it with water?
Thanks
I root all my hoyas in leca and they are easy to transition to dirt or leave in leca. Perlite is great for really hard to root plants like monstera Peru.
Interesting....the few types of plants I've tired in perlite so far have done great. Thanks for the heads up about the Peru.
@@EverythingPlants yeah, I tried the Peru in water and it just sat there and was limp. So I put it in a shallow Rubbermaid container and just laid it on the perlite, I completely forgot about it while it sat on a dark shelf and it has finally rooted. I thought it had died or rotted so I forgot about it. I also finally got wet sticks of cerestis mirabilis to root in perlite in soup containers. It took a long time for them though.
@@ThePlantUtopia I have a stubborn tetrasperma that did the same thing in water...nothing. Popped it in perlite and like a week later the tiniest new root growth starting.
I don't really see a problem with sfagnum moss, do you really need to remove it before potting?
I've heard about both methods but haven't try myself. If you have alot of cuttings even of different plants you can place them in containers just the same way.
Just wandering what other plants will propagate this way.
Thanks for the video, it's very useful!
Hello Julia. If you are potting into soil then yes make sure every piece of moss is off those roots. Sphagnum moss holds moisture and its okay when it's just in moss because it still has decent air flow/circulation, but as soon as it's in soil there is no air movement and that wet moss can cause root rot.
Now for perlite....you can root any plant you can fit in a prop box. I have propagated many different types of plants so far. I donhave a few perlite prop box videos is you like to check them out.
Thank you
Thanks for watching!
when you cut a rotted stem/roots, do you let it dry out or callus first before putting it in perlite? or it is not necessary?
For hoyas...I don't normally like them callous over. Just make sure you have all healthy stems with no rot.
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Thanks!
Do you use tap or distilled water? Our Regina tap water is probably not helpful.
I use distilled for my calatheas. The rest I have a screw on tap water filter (the drinking water side, not the softened water).
Can you wash the rooting medium off?
Good
Thanks
Can we use petite propagation for hoyacarnosa ?
Absolutely!
Is it actually necessary to remove the moss? Could you plant it with the moss?
If you are repotting into soil...then yes. Get as much off as you possibly can, because the moss stays moist and could potentially cause root rot if there is too much left on. The reason you don't get rot when it is in moss is there is airflow. When it is in soil it is more dense and less airflow causing those roots to stay moist longer if there is moss around them.
Can leaf propogation happen
Can you then reuse the perlite after rooting in it?
It did with another project I have going right now or mix it back into soil. I don't see why you couldn't....but im no expert lol
Can’t you leave the moss on there?
How long was in a perlit?
I can't remember exactly, but maybe a few weeks....3-4 weeks
do you wet the perlite
Yes. Just enough so there isn't water pooling at the bottom
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Thanks once again!
I would have thought that when the roots started to grow and expand in their final location a little moss on the roots would have negligible affect
You are probably correct. I have had a couple plants, in the past, decline and when I take it out there was still quiet a bit of moss left on the roots...
@@EverythingPlants Would putting the dry moss in a blender first alleviate that problem ?
Put a heat mat and watch them grow twice as fast
I have done this as well!!!