Honestly, it baffles me how you don't have more followers/ viewers. You're one of the best, if not the best whisk(e)y/ spirit channel in my opinion, in terms of video quality, quality control, style, information, etc. The list goes on. Really good videos. Keep it up, and thanks for the content.
Return of the preview intro! Love it! But Jules, this scoring system makes no sense. A fundamental requirement of rating scales is that every rating is a valid choice. There's an inherent paradox in "leaving room for improvement" here - were it to improve, you'd still say you're leaving room for improvement! If something is perfect, you can't think of anything better, and you can't find any flaws, then it's a 10/10, sorry! Appreciate the discussion as always
Awesome vid! I’ve lived in Japan for awhile and was lucky to get one for $500. But even here now a days it’s pushing the $700-$800 prices. Still very very good but that 17 year is so so close to it…if we could vote. I’d love to see that head to head. 17 Vs 21 Hibiki would be amazing. Or the glendronach 🤔🤔
Hibiki 30 will blow up your minds!! Nice video! I still remember buying it at $220 a bottle in Japan just couple years back. Still have few bottles left.
I usually only drink bourbon, but now I HAVE to seek out a pour of this! To some member of your panel, "You can't say perfect 11 times and give it a 9!" Therefore, you lose a member of the panel. Change the name of your channel, again, and call it Whiskey Curiosity! Cheers boys. Love the content.
Correct!!.....if you give it a 9/10....Hibiki will keep trying 👍🏻😎.....and that's what everyone wants 😊..... Hibiki 21 currently @ $2,000 Australian dollars 😯...July 2021.
Generally I find it funny when Jules frustrates Dillon / Dutch. In this case I actually was getting mad at Jules… I think this is just a reflection of how the scoring continues to be subjective. Great review. Buddy of mine sent me a sample, I’ll need to go back and visit this. If I ever had the opportunity to buy at 400, no brainer. Any idea on if pricing / availability is different in Japan?
Oh, and for your members only comparison. Didn’t you guys do one of the premium Johnnie walker versions? I think comparing it to a 3-400 version of Johnnie would be a great comparison. High end blend scotch vs Japanese version. Or if you had a premium release of compass box (this is not a luxury whiskey)…
So I have to say Jules is trying to compare each category to every whiskey that was ever made. It seems it should be more of a score that addresses the category. Did the whiskey address the category perfectly?
So far I've only had the normal Hibiki Harmony and the Master's Select. I would love to try the Hibiki 21 but it is too expensive here in Germany cheapest offer 880$. great review as always because of you guys I will buy my first proper Tequila (Fortaleza) next. Luckily I found a dealer who sells it over here. and here is a recommendation on my part, but I don't know if you can get it: Michel Couvreur Overaged Malt Whisky Cask Strength 52%
Jules is just wrong and clearly doesn't understand scoring. Things can be perfect and be different to each other, and one thing being perfect doesn't prevent others. It's not a zero sum game. Second, the scoring you're doing is intrinsically subjective. Even though the idea is to compare bottles in the long run, you're not comparing bottles when you score - you're scoring each experience against your own expectations and hopes. If you say something is "perfect" and then don't score that way, you're actually just failing scoring. The contrarianism is entertaining, generally, but the "logic" is stupid. Jules is entitled to the former as his thing, just not to claim it's somehow smarter. It's not being a truth broker - it's just avoiding making a commitment to a view.
I think there's a misunderstanding for "value." I think a lot of people associate "value" with "budget." Two completely different things. Value should be seen as "is it worth the money?" Budget should be seen as "is it cheap/affordable?" Great video guys, love the back & forth. Nothing wrong with anyone's scores. Taste is subjective! Jules, you do you bro!
Both the 21 and 30 are in my mind and taste the best whiskeys I have tasted and what lead me to it was the Yamazaki. If you go drinking in Japan for business then you will get positive outcomes if you get a round of these for the table.
Had to pause at 2:35 because as I look up this bottle today I can NOT find it cheaper than $1,500 a bottle. Looking forward to this review of a whiskey that I'll never try!
3 thoughts (sorry): #1 RE: the finish, I haven't tried this but I have tried the 17 year and noted the peat returns during the finish, as the other flavors gradually trail away. Its almost like an MCU after the credits scene instead a of the slow fade out to the credits you are expecting. #2, its amazing how impassioned you guys are over the difference between a 9 and a 10. And a testament to your the quality of your show. #3 I suggest a new rule. Every review that Jules scores more than 3 9's, he has to take a peach whiskey shot.
I think with your whole-number multiple categories system it is absolutely reasonable to give a 10/10 as a perfect score. If you were using decimals and just rating the dram 1-10 (no categories, just one score) nothing should get a 10.. that would imply that it is impossible that anything could be better (think figure skating or the barstool guy that does pizza reviews)
Came for the Whiskey review....stayed for the movie references lol. I'm new to the channel but I love the discussions. FYI I love all Kurosawa/Mifune classics. I'm more partial to Yojimbo, Sanjuro & 7 samurai.
Great video guys. Agree with Dillon on everything but value, the juice is minimum 21 years old, Suntory needs to make a margin for something that took forever to produce. Respect Jules, but he has to understand there is a possibility that nothing could be better in the future, so the present can be the best ever garnishing a score of 10.
The intensity of this review was awesome! Unfortunately this stuff is 🦄 tears. Luckily a 9 = perfect, unobtanium = value, and this juice is diamond worthy all day long baby...sign me up!
Jules there is such a thing as perfect when you have things to compare that are subjective. If you can't acknowledge that within the group, then you skew the scoring system. Otherwise no one can score a 10 and you have to score on a curve.
I get their argument for value I just think they didn’t see what each other was saying 😂 Dutch and Dillon were basically saying you can’t get it for $400-$600 (which is mostly true) and Jules was saying for what they paid for it it was a 4. But not many other people would be able to get it for $400 so the value of THEIR bottle was 4 but for everyone else I’d lean more towards Dutch’s score
Jules, bro. What you doing. If you were dating a girl and she said your perfect but She’s holding out for evolution and something else. You’d be heart broken. You broke this bottles heart. Lol
There should be a few 11s allowed by D&D to offset/correct/modulate the perfect 9s. Case in point from this episode. 😂😂😂 Fantastic episode. Perfect 9. 😊
A detail missed on the bottle. There is an actual concept behind the design. "The 24 facets (sides) of the Hibiki bottle symbolize the 24 hours of the day and 24 seasons- or "Sekki"** of the traditional Japanese calendar. The bottle includes 24 sides to allow consumers to visualize the time the whisky spends aging in the cask, the history, and 'time' itself."
I think the 17 is better. I used to go to Japan for work several times a year and found a bar that has this for 12 bucks a pour and over time I stopped ordering this in favor of the 17.
@@iluvcakes19 don’t look for bottles of Japanese whisky. Just find it at bars. Any hotel or nice restaurant will have the full lineup. If you want to buy bottles, stick to bourbon, turkey 12 and Evan Williams 12 in particular
Japanese .... But the star is not the whisky :D.and pure american patience :). Perfect ! But... Is hibiki's 10 the same as Dewar's 10. I felt like starting WW2, or ending it, watdhingbthis phenomenal video. Love.
Not sure if you’ve done a review of Redbreast 27 but if it were between this hibiki 21 or RB 27 which would you reach for? Have the chance to get one of these at msrp but can’t decide which to get. Hoping to get a bottle that it honestly special no matter the occasion, time of year etc..
I agree with Juls for once on the scoring because this is not thee very best that Suntory offers but it is very good but way over priced for what it is
Peat, fruit, pairing. Perfection Peat, fruit, pairing. Perfection. Half way through and I wonder what Dillon will say next. Not. Diamond is at 90 so why the problems with Jules giving a 9? Great review but I stand by America's "honesty broker". 🤣
Jules grading and reasoning for his grade being 9 on multiple categories despite not being able to say what exactly is missing? "Room for improvement for future" is not a reason for not giving it a 10. And he gave aesthetics a full score, which is clearly something they can make better. It is a box and bottle that can be changed and made better. All the Hibikis have the same box and bottle fyi. Jules reasoning for not giving 10 on multiple categories despite not having a solid reason why is kind of annoying. Rant over!
Nothing more indicative of this dram's quality than how much you guys argued over it. Words be damned.
Exactly!
Honestly, it baffles me how you don't have more followers/ viewers. You're one of the best, if not the best whisk(e)y/ spirit channel in my opinion, in terms of video quality, quality control, style, information, etc. The list goes on. Really good videos. Keep it up, and thanks for the content.
The bickering. 😂😂 This is one of y’all’s finest pieces of work right here.
Return of the preview intro! Love it!
But Jules, this scoring system makes no sense. A fundamental requirement of rating scales is that every rating is a valid choice. There's an inherent paradox in "leaving room for improvement" here - were it to improve, you'd still say you're leaving room for improvement! If something is perfect, you can't think of anything better, and you can't find any flaws, then it's a 10/10, sorry!
Appreciate the discussion as always
Jules making you mad with 9's is just his way of getting revenge for when you interrupted his Springbank food pairing recommendations
Jules doesn't know what "perfect" means and Dillon doesn't know that "value" has multiple meanings that aren't all "bargain"
Facts already well established back in the Bourbon Guild days!
Liked the old-style intro. It reminded me of the Bourbon Guild days. I agree with Dutch and Dillon - the words perfect means it scores a 10 put of 10.
Same here, missed that dude in the intro speaking with a sultry voice
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!!! ever since Jules leaked it during a live lol.
Awesome vid! I’ve lived in Japan for awhile and was lucky to get one for $500. But even here now a days it’s pushing the $700-$800 prices. Still very very good but that 17 year is so so close to it…if we could vote. I’d love to see that head to head. 17 Vs 21 Hibiki would be amazing. Or the glendronach 🤔🤔
Hibiki 30 will blow up your minds!! Nice video! I still remember buying it at $220 a bottle in Japan just couple years back. Still have few bottles left.
I just want to bring up the fact that Jules gave Weller 107 a score of 94, but only gave this a score of 91.......
I think we need a Dillon vs Mr. Dillon comparison between this and George T Stagg
$400 is steal now. MSPR is easily $600, and secondary prices are well north of $1000 lol
I usually only drink bourbon, but now I HAVE to seek out a pour of this! To some member of your panel, "You can't say perfect 11 times and give it a 9!" Therefore, you lose a member of the panel. Change the name of your channel, again, and call it Whiskey Curiosity! Cheers boys. Love the content.
I don’t even like whisky and yet I must give this video a 10 for entertainment value! 😃👍👍
very Bourbon Guild-like opening! love it
Jules it's just a number just give it a 10 if you say it's perfect it's a 10 your not being fair to the scoring system .
This new/old intro is great keep it going
Live chat : "it's happy hour - it's more like happy 3hrs actually"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣✨👍🏻.
Ladies and Gentlemen…..Mr. Dillon! 👏🏾
I listened to the podcast version and had to watch the video after hearing you guys describe it the way you did
Correct!!.....if you give it a 9/10....Hibiki will keep trying 👍🏻😎.....and that's what everyone wants 😊..... Hibiki 21 currently @ $2,000 Australian dollars 😯...July 2021.
A leaderboard drinkthrough might be a fun video for a special occasion sometime
Been waiting for this episode ever since Jules slipped twice on live LOL
The bottle is faceted. It has 21 sides. But where did you guys manager to find this for $400?
I know share to the community
I bought a bottle of this Hibiki 21 year for $400 at my local Total Wine. It's sitting on a shelf, still in the box.
Generally I find it funny when Jules frustrates Dillon / Dutch. In this case I actually was getting mad at Jules… I think this is just a reflection of how the scoring continues to be subjective.
Great review. Buddy of mine sent me a sample, I’ll need to go back and visit this. If I ever had the opportunity to buy at 400, no brainer. Any idea on if pricing / availability is different in Japan?
Oh, and for your members only comparison. Didn’t you guys do one of the premium Johnnie walker versions? I think comparing it to a 3-400 version of Johnnie would be a great comparison. High end blend scotch vs Japanese version. Or if you had a premium release of compass box (this is not a luxury whiskey)…
I guess this is the ultimate show of awesomeness for Tears of Llorona.....Most underrated spirit ever....Will anything beat it?
Buenos dias my not so sober Amigos, Greetings and Salutations from Norfolk, Virginia.
wow there guys, you still have the 30 and 35 to try. Jules is leaving room for these in the future.
30 scored lower on Distiller fwiw
It's perfect! Nothing is wrong..... 9/10 ~Jules 2021 lol
$400 bucks... thanks for taking that hit for us... know it was a challenge to drink that ...he he...
So I have to say Jules is trying to compare each category to every whiskey that was ever made. It seems it should be more of a score that addresses the category. Did the whiskey address the category perfectly?
Same score board as "TOP GEAR"..😎👍🏻.
What I would do to try that hibiki…
Also loving the bebop shirt!
I can definitely tell it’s UN CHILL FILTERED
Hahaha….guys I love you, one of the best episodes ever …. greetings from Austria 😂
So far I've only had the normal Hibiki Harmony and the Master's Select. I would love to try the Hibiki 21 but it is too expensive here in Germany cheapest offer 880$.
great review as always
because of you guys I will buy my first proper Tequila (Fortaleza) next. Luckily I found a dealer who sells it over here.
and here is a recommendation on my part, but I don't know if you can get it:
Michel Couvreur Overaged Malt Whisky Cask Strength 52%
Jules is just wrong and clearly doesn't understand scoring. Things can be perfect and be different to each other, and one thing being perfect doesn't prevent others. It's not a zero sum game. Second, the scoring you're doing is intrinsically subjective. Even though the idea is to compare bottles in the long run, you're not comparing bottles when you score - you're scoring each experience against your own expectations and hopes. If you say something is "perfect" and then don't score that way, you're actually just failing scoring. The contrarianism is entertaining, generally, but the "logic" is stupid. Jules is entitled to the former as his thing, just not to claim it's somehow smarter. It's not being a truth broker - it's just avoiding making a commitment to a view.
Totally agree
I think there's a misunderstanding for "value." I think a lot of people associate "value" with "budget." Two completely different things. Value should be seen as "is it worth the money?" Budget should be seen as "is it cheap/affordable?" Great video guys, love the back & forth. Nothing wrong with anyone's scores. Taste is subjective! Jules, you do you bro!
I imagine its good, but seems like a flex a Japanese business man does at a fancy izakaya meeting.
Mr. jules aka. I’m just looking for a good time 🤣
Both the 21 and 30 are in my mind and taste the best whiskeys I have tasted and what lead me to it was the Yamazaki. If you go drinking in Japan for business then you will get positive outcomes if you get a round of these for the table.
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Had to pause at 2:35 because as I look up this bottle today I can NOT find it cheaper than $1,500 a bottle. Looking forward to this review of a whiskey that I'll never try!
Just listened to the podcast and had to come watch the Vid lol
Hibiki 21 is going for 1000+ dollars...
A Zen experience. Like the sound of one hand clapping. Indescribable!
3 thoughts (sorry): #1 RE: the finish, I haven't tried this but I have tried the 17 year and noted the peat returns during the finish, as the other flavors gradually trail away. Its almost like an MCU after the credits scene instead a of the slow fade out to the credits you are expecting. #2, its amazing how impassioned you guys are over the difference between a 9 and a 10. And a testament to your the quality of your show. #3 I suggest a new rule. Every review that Jules scores more than 3 9's, he has to take a peach whiskey shot.
Problem is Jules might like that peach whiskey too much!
Hibiki nose is like a fragrance you want to wear. May be my favorite nose of any whisky ever
I think with your whole-number multiple categories system it is absolutely reasonable to give a 10/10 as a perfect score. If you were using decimals and just rating the dram 1-10 (no categories, just one score) nothing should get a 10.. that would imply that it is impossible that anything could be better (think figure skating or the barstool guy that does pizza reviews)
tldr: Jules is wrong
Came for the Whiskey review....stayed for the movie references lol. I'm new to the channel but I love the discussions. FYI I love all Kurosawa/Mifune classics. I'm more partial to Yojimbo, Sanjuro & 7 samurai.
Cheers! Welcome!
Great video guys. Agree with Dillon on everything but value, the juice is minimum 21 years old, Suntory needs to make a margin for something that took forever to produce. Respect Jules, but he has to understand there is a possibility that nothing could be better in the future, so the present can be the best ever garnishing a score of 10.
Amazing review!
The intensity of this review was awesome! Unfortunately this stuff is 🦄 tears. Luckily a 9 = perfect, unobtanium = value, and this juice is diamond worthy all day long baby...sign me up!
Jules is killing me 😂😂😂
Where did you get this bottle 🤯
Jules there is such a thing as perfect when you have things to compare that are subjective. If you can't acknowledge that within the group, then you skew the scoring system. Otherwise no one can score a 10 and you have to score on a curve.
I work in Japan every year and have 4 bottles of the Mt Fugi bottles and I don’t drink it. Looks good on my bar
I get their argument for value I just think they didn’t see what each other was saying 😂 Dutch and Dillon were basically saying you can’t get it for $400-$600 (which is mostly true) and Jules was saying for what they paid for it it was a 4. But not many other people would be able to get it for $400 so the value of THEIR bottle was 4 but for everyone else I’d lean more towards Dutch’s score
I want this bottle so much but it's going for like $1500-2500 the most Ive seen
Jules, bro. What you doing. If you were dating a girl and she said your perfect but She’s holding out for evolution and something else. You’d be heart broken. You broke this bottles heart. Lol
There should be a few 11s allowed by D&D to offset/correct/modulate the perfect 9s. Case in point from this episode. 😂😂😂
Fantastic episode. Perfect 9. 😊
Great video guys, great job👍
Love this show. You guys are the best
Hibiki 21 vs Springbank 21 :p
You gents should do a review on Hibiki 30. For me that's a perfect Japanese blend
A detail missed on the bottle. There is an actual concept behind the design. "The 24 facets (sides) of the Hibiki bottle symbolize the 24 hours of the day and 24 seasons- or "Sekki"** of the traditional Japanese calendar. The bottle includes 24 sides to allow consumers to visualize the time the whisky spends aging in the cask, the history, and 'time' itself."
Have you guys done the Yamazaki 18 yet? I actually prefer it to the Hibiki 21, which is great also.
Jules is right with his 9s. By giving it a 10 you're saying that no other Japanese which will be better.
3 stooges @ 29mins!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣........😎👍🏻.
These are some of the awards for Hibiki 21:
ISC GOLD2004, 2005, 2006, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
ISC TROPHY2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
ISC SUPREME CHAMPION SPIRITS2017
IWSC GOLD (BEST IN CLASS)2010, 2011
WWA WORLD'S BEST BLENDED WHISKY2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017
Oh Jules, Jules, Jules. Send your share of the rest of that bottle to me; you're, very clearly, not worthy.🧃
In singapore today it cost $1,900/-. Bought hibiki 17 few days ago for $1,150/- and yesterday from same store it price tag is $1,600/-
Why can't Jules love? Embrace the 9 when you say it is perfect or does Jules just want to see you all lose your Bradshaw
I just hope I can find a whiskey that makes Me as happy as Dillon is while drinking habiki 21
I’m swearing; you guys so funny
You guys gave it a 92.6 and it wasn't rounded up to 93? why not?
it's gotta be good if everybody's screaming about 1 point difference lol
I think the 17 is better. I used to go to Japan for work several times a year and found a bar that has this for 12 bucks a pour and over time I stopped ordering this in favor of the 17.
Please share the name and location (city) as I am traveling to Japan for the first time in a month.
@@iluvcakes19 unfortunately that bar was a covid casualty. It was called genka bar, which basically means wholesale bar.
@@Seoul_of_bourbon awesome, thanks for the heads up! Do you have any recommendations for traveling to Japan?
@@iluvcakes19 don’t look for bottles of Japanese whisky. Just find it at bars. Any hotel or nice restaurant will have the full lineup. If you want to buy bottles, stick to bourbon, turkey 12 and Evan Williams 12 in particular
Guys you need to define the Value category, you need to score based on your purchase price.
Japanese .... But the star is not the whisky :D.and pure american patience :). Perfect ! But... Is hibiki's 10 the same as Dewar's 10. I felt like starting WW2, or ending it, watdhingbthis phenomenal video. Love.
The rationality is strong with him :) Silence snd heart.
The guys at Distiller definitely seem to think this is the best whisky out there.
Not sure if you’ve done a review of Redbreast 27 but if it were between this hibiki 21 or RB 27 which would you reach for? Have the chance to get one of these at msrp but can’t decide which to get. Hoping to get a bottle that it honestly special no matter the occasion, time of year etc..
Jules: The ultimate troll. I think he just did that on purpose so Dutch and Dillon will lose it.
Jules = Whiskeytube Troll! 9!! 🤣🤣
I have a bottle it's worth every penny
I agree with Juls for once on the scoring because this is not thee very best that Suntory offers but it is very good but way over priced for what it is
The 2 dislikes on this video are more than likely caused by Jules.
Peat, fruit, pairing. Perfection
Peat, fruit, pairing.
Perfection.
Half way through and I wonder what Dillon will say next. Not.
Diamond is at 90 so why the problems with Jules giving a 9? Great review but I stand by America's "honesty broker". 🤣
At $400, I'll buy it. No need to think.
Its like $800 now and sold out everywhere.
try springbank 21 then？
Jules grading and reasoning for his grade being 9 on multiple categories despite not being able to say what exactly is missing? "Room for improvement for future" is not a reason for not giving it a 10. And he gave aesthetics a full score, which is clearly something they can make better. It is a box and bottle that can be changed and made better. All the Hibikis have the same box and bottle fyi. Jules reasoning for not giving 10 on multiple categories despite not having a solid reason why is kind of annoying. Rant over!
Agreed. By Jules' reasoning a perfect would be a 9 out of 10 or a 90. A 10 would be beyond perfect a.k.a. many people saying 11 out of 10.
$1500+ in Australia... yikes. I managed to get my Kacho Fugetsu edition for about $1300 which I thought was a bargain lol
21 year old springbank
The three tsumari all dressed in black ... thank God they left their long swords at home lest there be blood letting in the studio.
Now selling around a grand... $400 is a bargain.
Just saw a bottle of this last weekend, its was $1100.
I suggest 10 be great and 11 be perfect.
“The Jules Coefficient” :D
Sadly found it for $559.00 at Total Wine today BUT you have to win a lottery to buy it 🤬