I know you don't hang on to your cheerleader's comments but I am continually amazed that you always have a remarkable ability to solve complex problems with such aplomb. Cheers
I am retired and 78 years old. Worked in broadcast radio and electronics, radar and sonar technology. If I could start over again I would love to work with you making wheels! You are a true craftsman!
Love your shop! Reminds me of my great-grandfather’s shop. He ran ran a blacksmith shop, lumber mill, farrier service and logging company. I was 18 when he died in 1971 at the age of 97. He would know exactly what you are doing and the tools you use. A house he built in 1895 is still being lived in.
Make one freehand, make two with a pattern and keep it, three or more make a jig.The sheetmetal shop i served my time in had patterns going back to the 1900's. They came in handy when we started restoring vehicles for the bus museum, something i was heavily involved in during my apprenticeship. I am retired now but still stick to the above idea.
The metal hubs and the shape of the spokes remind me of the model t, but this was 70 years eariler and needed the skill of a wheelwright. Thanks for the video Dave. A craftsman is really an artist and not just a mechanic. Too bad that's been lost.
My Great Grand father was a Blacksmith, Wheelwright, Coach Builder watching you at work make me in awe of your skills and what he would have possessed as well, sadly the only remnants of his work is the tray on Granddads old 1929 Plymouth he converted from a sedan to a utility and a hive tool he made for Dad when he was at school in the early 30's. Love your work Mate.
It must have taken many years for you to make, modify, and acquire the myriad of special tools that you so casually walk up to and select every time you perform another operation. I am beyond impressed!
When sanding the spokes, the speed increase came so suddenly that I thought you had hurt your finger at first. Silly me. Your work is so thoughtful and precise. Thanks for uploading.
I acquired one of these (A 1902 model ) It took 6 months to free it up, but now it works beautifully. Mine is only hand powered with the wheel in the front of the reel.. I have a domestic treadle base that I hope to adapt it to... You have some beautiful machines. All the best to you.....
what skill and knowage it takes to be a wheelwright. the tools and machinery is mind boggeling. love watching this man work. I hope he can pass it down to some younger man
built a third scale gatling gun some years ago and wondered what that type of wheel hub was called, now I know. Suberb craftsmanship. I have stopped watching television just to watch these wheels and carts being built.
Thanks for posting. It was quite intriguing, very interesting. I have to admit that I only understood the reason for about half of the work you showed; some of it is mystifying. The results speak for themselves. The work seems to be done with great attention to detail and great accuracy and skill. The finished hub and spoke assemblies look wonderful.
I dunno.I would think after 39 years,the shop could afford to put bolts in ALL the hoops,instead of having to swap them each time,lol!!! I'm surprised that the hubs don't have bolts(Even if a smaller diameter),in each spoke?Thanks again for sharing,you rock!!
I just took the advice of one of the people who watch Dave. I went to Google and put in Engles coach shop, and there is the life story of Mr Dave Engles. A very good story about him, told by him, his early years his marriage, going into business and how the Engles Coach Shop came to be. His years in the movie industry co staring with Tom Cruse in Far And Away. Then not wanting to leave Mt he gave up his movie career and went back to being a National Treasure restoring wagons and all types of horse drawn buggies. Then after 9 years looking for someone to build the 20 mule team Borax wagons, to be used in a Rose Bowl Parade and the Inauguration of the next President of the USA. Yes Mr Dave was the only one that was found to be good enough to build these Borax Wagons that now sit in the Museum in Laws, California. There may be an attempt to declare the Engles Coach Shop a national treasure in Joliet, Montana. This to me is a wonderful story about a Craftsman and his life.
I could watch this stuff all week. Thank you for posting these very interesting videos. I hope you will show the remaining process in the construction of these wheels.
Back in the day, on my Grandfather's dairy farm in Wassaic, NY, he had a building that was a blacksmith shop and one that was the wagon shop. Neither was then used for the rightful purpose, but all those tools were there! Gramp eventually sold them all for scrap to some fellow. If only I knew then what I know now......but I was only 4 or 5. Still...........
I have to say, I think this design is a lot more elegant than the Sarven style. The sarven style as I see it demonstrated in the various videos here is essentially a traditional wagon wheel where the four hub bands are consolidated into two cast flanges, and the spokes support each other outside their tenons (which allows the spoke tenons to be relatively bigger and therefore the hub overall to be much smaller for a given wheel size). Whereas this style is basically a full rethinking of how you could put together metal and steel into a wooden wheel. What I’m not convinced about is whether it works any better, or even as well, in practice. In daily use, in longevity, in ease of assembly, and ease of repair.
when I was bout 5 or 6 I would always walk by a small shop near my house. They built and repaired horse drawn wagons. I am 69. This is in a small town in Eastern North Carolina. I always wanted to go in but it didn't look like a place a little boy should wander into. Oh how many times I wished I had.
Hello again :) I think I like the freehand work you do the best. It really is amazing just how much there is. Curving the throats, flattening the spokes w/ the grinder and sander. Even drilling the bolt holes from both sides to insure straightness is a trade trick (skill or secret). I use to really enjoy all the skill steps involved in scribing, feathering and such myself. Although you have many plenty specialty tools needed for most every aspect of your projects, there are many plenty freehand skills needed that can help the fitting process and give the project that custom hands on feel or look. A rare quality and mighty valuable !! Great job and thanks for sharing again ECS :) Hoping your holiday season has gotten off to a good start this year ! Merry Christmas & Have a Happy New Year ! Steph_Louisiana
I must say, reading your reply made me a bit emotional. I may be too sensitive these days but I miss being able to engage my love for creating at the level I use to in times past. You are very generous to notice / mention what knowledge I have acquired, no matter the degree. It feels validating and I thank you sir ! Sincerely ..........
The fit was not very tight on the hub when you bored it out on the hub boring machine. It seemed to slide in very easily. Was my observation correct or did I misperceive the operation. It seems that just when I think I understand the operation you come up with a new variation of wheel. Keep it up.
How did you know that the spokes were centered in the jig so when you scribed around the holding clamp the mark was concentric to the ID of the spokes that the hub would fit into? JIM
Your craftsmanship never ceases to amaze me, thank you. These look pretty labor intensive. In real time, how much time would you spend on one wheel, not accounting for the previous turning of the spokes?.
When does it make sense to use this style of hub vs. the ones you've made for the other wagons and carriages we've seen so far -- all wood with the four bands to hold them together?
I noticed while the wheel was on the Hub boring machine that the spoke ends were slightly off-centered. How will you correct for that when you fit the wheel to the spokes?
You always seem to just go over in the back and grab a stack of spokes.....do you order them premade? In generic sizes and shapes, then work them down to exact matches?? Or do you make them entirely, off screen then just bring them into camera sight? You’re a legend either way!! Im just asking for education purposes.
Wood and metal, I really enjoy seeing you display your enormous talents. This is a well made video.....and educational! Did you design and build the hub boring machine? ....13
Did you also make the spokes or are they ready made? I like watching you work and I envy you for your shop where you do great work. Thanks for sharing.
OK - not exactly "home made" in the way your rubber-tire machine is, but definitely not bought, either. Still awesome in the way that it does what it was intended for.
There was a smart guy who fuggered that one out. Locks the spoke and does not make it weaker. I'd have to have my wheels fail before I fuggered that one out. Good design tip I'll hope to use in the future. It's the little things that make the technology work.
Rain Coast you bring up a very good point. It is very interesting watching the craftsmanship but were he to also share some history or background like that would really make this especially interesting.
Not sure if this helps but an article I found on google books from an Army Ordance magazine of 1921 books.google.com/books?id=oLXmAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA100&dq=Archibald+wheel+hub&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEns7q_9vXAhUD3IMKHRCNBOgQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Archibald%20wheel%20hub&f=false
I guess in addition you would want to know Edward A. Archibald "The Archibald Wheel Company was a wheel manufactory active between 1867 and 1910, founded and co-owned by Edward A. Archibald of Methuen, Massachusetts. Developed in the late 1860s, the Archibald Wheel Company provided spoked wheels for wagons. The Archibald Wheel Company quickly gained favor in the industry after 1869 with their patent for the machine that created iron-hubbed wheels, serving clientele across the United States from 1870 until the 1910s. " phillipslibrarycollections.pem.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15928coll1/id/3680
Really enjoyed this one as I do all of your videos! :-) Quite interesting how early ball and roller bearings came into use. One question please. I noticed that the hub mounting bolts are drilled at the center of the spoke mating flanges. Did I see this correctly and, if so, what is the purpose. thanks you warm regards vic
See me, I'm definitely one to throw the Health & Safety book into a corner at times cos it really does get in the way . . . Common sense is my preferred watchword. But one look at that Hub Boring Machine with an open frame spinning at 10,000,000,000,000 revs a second and even I get the shivers 0.o
I know you don't hang on to your cheerleader's comments but I am continually amazed that you always have a remarkable ability to solve complex problems with such aplomb. Cheers
I am retired and 78 years old. Worked in broadcast radio and electronics, radar and sonar technology. If I could start over again I would love to work with you making wheels! You are a true craftsman!
That hub boring machine was one of the wilder ones i have seen in your shop. Another top notch job.
Love your shop! Reminds me of my great-grandfather’s shop. He ran ran a blacksmith shop, lumber mill, farrier service and logging company. I was 18 when he died in 1971 at the age of 97. He would know exactly what you are doing and the tools you use. A house he built in 1895 is still being lived in.
I love how you have a specialty tool/machine for each task.
Make one freehand, make two with a pattern and keep it, three or more make a jig.The sheetmetal shop i served my time in had patterns going back to the 1900's. They came in handy when we started restoring vehicles for the bus museum, something i was heavily involved in during my apprenticeship. I am retired now but still stick to the above idea.
This stuff never gets old, please keep it up. Thanks
The metal hubs and the shape of the spokes remind me of the model t, but this was 70 years eariler and needed the skill of a wheelwright. Thanks for the video Dave. A craftsman is really an artist and not just a mechanic. Too bad that's been lost.
Wow, to have all those tools and all that knowledge to go with them.
I must be getting old 'cause I sit down with a bowl of popcorn and watch 'em make wagon wheels..... LOL..
My Great Grand father was a Blacksmith, Wheelwright, Coach Builder watching you at work make me in awe of your skills and what he would have possessed as well, sadly the only remnants of his
work is the tray on Granddads old 1929 Plymouth he converted from a sedan to a utility and a hive tool he made for Dad when he was at school in the early 30's. Love your work Mate.
It must have taken many years for you to make, modify, and acquire the myriad of special tools that you so casually walk up to and select every time you perform another operation. I am beyond impressed!
Very cool, great to learn how things were done back then
When sanding the spokes, the speed increase came so suddenly that I thought you had hurt your finger at first. Silly me. Your work is so thoughtful and precise. Thanks for uploading.
You and your shop should be declared a National Treasure!
Truth!
And so I shall.
Google Earth:
'Engel's Coach Shop, South Main Street, Joliet, MT, USA'
...and catch the man at work?
Jack Reeves Namn. Q
Totally agree Jack, so why isn't he must be a process or something to be recognized
This channel is soooooo good for my blood pressure! Seriously, it is.
The Bob Ross of the trades.
I truly admire your knowledge of and craftsmanship you truly make this look simple ! I do appreciate your videos I enjoy watching them !
Fascinating to watch. I've always loved to watch a craftsman working, fantastic
I acquired one of these (A 1902 model ) It took 6 months to free it up, but now it works beautifully. Mine is only hand powered with the wheel in the front of the reel.. I have a domestic treadle base that I hope to adapt it to... You have some beautiful machines. All the best to you.....
what skill and knowage it takes to be a wheelwright. the tools and machinery is mind boggeling. love watching this man work. I hope he can pass it down to some younger man
built a third scale gatling gun some years ago and wondered what that type of wheel hub was called, now I know. Suberb craftsmanship. I have stopped watching television just to watch these wheels and carts being built.
Thanks for posting. It was quite intriguing, very interesting. I have to admit that I only understood the reason for about half of the work you showed; some of it is mystifying. The results speak for themselves. The work seems to be done with great attention to detail and great accuracy and skill. The finished hub and spoke assemblies look wonderful.
I really appreciate your attention to detail... Thank you for sharing...
I dunno.I would think after 39 years,the shop could afford to put bolts in ALL the hoops,instead of having to swap them each time,lol!!! I'm surprised that the hubs don't have bolts(Even if a smaller diameter),in each spoke?Thanks again for sharing,you rock!!
Hope you had a good thanksgiving.
Thank you for showing more of your nice detail work. I will be waiting to see the rest of the wheel being made.
So nice to see a true craftsman at work
scott H beat me to it, I was going to say the exact same thing. But perhaps instead of a simple "craftsman" I think Master Craftsman is more fitting
I just took the advice of one of the people who watch Dave. I went to Google and put in Engles coach shop, and there is the life story of Mr Dave Engles. A very good story about him, told by him, his early years his marriage, going into business and how the Engles Coach Shop came to be. His years in the movie industry co staring with Tom Cruse in Far And Away. Then not wanting to leave Mt he gave up his movie career and went back to being a National Treasure restoring wagons and all types of horse drawn buggies. Then after 9 years looking for someone to build the 20 mule team Borax wagons, to be used in a Rose Bowl Parade and the Inauguration of the next President of the USA. Yes Mr Dave was the only one that was found to be good enough to build these Borax Wagons that now sit in the Museum in Laws, California. There may be an attempt to declare the Engles Coach Shop a national treasure in Joliet, Montana. This to me is a wonderful story about a Craftsman and his life.
Your videos are great. I hope some young people are learning this stuff
I could watch this stuff all week. Thank you for posting these very interesting videos. I hope you will show the remaining process in the construction of these wheels.
More! I could watch your videos all day !
Fascinating! I sure hope we get to see these on the wagon, too! Thanks again for your nice videos.
All tour videos are marvellous.
Wow! Fascinating stuff. A true craftsman at work.
I could watch this all month. Would like to try it at least once.
Always a pleasure to watch your Videos 👍
It’s just a joy to watch you work thankyou
thanks for making these videos, they are both relaxing and informative. I love the cool tools you have!!!
I'm trying to figure out how you found some of these tools.
Back in the day, on my Grandfather's dairy farm in Wassaic, NY, he had a building that was a blacksmith shop and one that was the wagon shop. Neither was then used for the rightful purpose, but all those tools were there! Gramp eventually sold them all for scrap to some fellow. If only I knew then what I know now......but I was only 4 or 5. Still...........
Awesome, just wow, thank you Mr. Engels.
never gets old great job
Excellent work done 👍👌
Amazing skill, fantastic to watch. I look forward to your videos.
your workmanship is great. wish l cud come see you and visit your shop.
Just amazing! Nothing like skill and ability.
Very nice. True craftsman at work. Thanks.
silva do brasil, é um prazer, ver, vocé trabalhar, parabéns.
Another great video showing how it is done.
I have to say, I think this design is a lot more elegant than the Sarven style. The sarven style as I see it demonstrated in the various videos here is essentially a traditional wagon wheel where the four hub bands are consolidated into two cast flanges, and the spokes support each other outside their tenons (which allows the spoke tenons to be relatively bigger and therefore the hub overall to be much smaller for a given wheel size). Whereas this style is basically a full rethinking of how you could put together metal and steel into a wooden wheel. What I’m not convinced about is whether it works any better, or even as well, in practice. In daily use, in longevity, in ease of assembly, and ease of repair.
1st class.Practical,informative,and it really grabbed me,thank you ,keep them coming
All of yoru shop made fixtures and purpose built machines are really cool!
Really interesting,learning everyday,thank you.
I gotta come out and see your shop one of these days. I'd leave this week, but there's this thing called snow...
I enjoyed this presentation...thank you. You do nice work.
Whoa, look at those chewed up bolts. :) Hope you had a good holiday time!
when I was bout 5 or 6 I would always walk by a small shop near my house. They built and repaired horse drawn wagons. I am 69. This is in a small town in Eastern North Carolina. I always wanted to go in but it didn't look like a place a little boy should wander into. Oh how many times I wished I had.
Close to being a lost art. I hope there are other learning from this master of the spokes
Hello again :)
I think I like the freehand work you do the best. It really is amazing just how much there is. Curving the throats, flattening the spokes w/ the grinder and sander. Even drilling the bolt holes from both sides to insure straightness is a trade trick (skill or secret). I use to really enjoy all the skill steps involved in scribing, feathering and such myself. Although you have many plenty specialty tools needed for most every aspect of your projects, there are many plenty freehand skills needed that can help the fitting process and give the project that custom hands on feel or look. A rare quality and mighty valuable !!
Great job and thanks for sharing again ECS :) Hoping your holiday season has gotten off to a good start this year ! Merry Christmas & Have a Happy New Year !
Steph_Louisiana
I must say, reading your reply made me a bit emotional. I may be too sensitive these days but I miss being able to engage my love for creating at the level I use to in times past. You are very generous to notice / mention what knowledge I have acquired, no matter the degree. It feels validating and I thank you sir !
Sincerely ..........
Does this dude have a magical vortex behind that curtain that produces infinite amounts of wagon wheel spokes?
Amazon Prime, man.
(I mean, I’m being facetious here but they do actually come from a factory like that)
I enjoy all your videos but this one was really awesome
Thanks for sharing
Good job guy...I enjoy watching your videos
Like always, great stuff and I really enjoy watching the things you make.
Another question...have you shared how you became interested in your craft and learning the trade?
Would enjoy hearing it some day.
I have no interest whatsoever in wheels or wagons or wagon wheels but this channel absolutely superb.
Have you a video showing the manufacturing of the oval section spoke blanks?
Is that a faye and Egan band saw there I see in the background?
You've got this stuff figured out.
Like usual.Great job.Thank you.
Always impressed with your passion 😉 I would love meet the individual who edits your video's 👍😊
excellent as always
Well Done
Thanks for sharing your skills
Yours Frank
Brilliant - just love your videos.
Very good
Very interesting
I'm curious as to why the bolts for the hub go in the joint inbetween two spokes rather than in the meat of one spoke...
Where did you learn these skills, Mr. Engel?
thank you so much,love your videos.
The fit was not very tight on the hub when you bored it out on the hub boring machine. It seemed to slide in very easily. Was my observation correct or did I misperceive the operation. It seems that just when I think I understand the operation you come up with a new variation of wheel. Keep it up.
How did you know that the spokes were centered in the jig so when you scribed around the holding clamp the mark was concentric to the ID of the spokes that the hub would fit into?
JIM
Your craftsmanship never ceases to amaze me, thank you. These look pretty labor intensive. In real time, how much time would you spend on one wheel, not accounting for the previous turning of the spokes?.
Robert
I was wondering the same thing. We watch a 15 minute video but I wonder how much it truly takes.
I was guesstimating 3-4 hours so 1 1/2 ain't too shabby. As you say, the repetition helps a lot. Thanks for your response. :)
Thank god... finally a video of him not wearing a blue jean shirt with blue jean pants.
Nice job!
When does it make sense to use this style of hub vs. the ones you've made for the other wagons and carriages we've seen so far -- all wood with the four bands to hold them together?
I noticed while the wheel was on the Hub boring machine that the spoke ends were slightly off-centered. How will you correct for that when you fit the wheel to the spokes?
You always seem to just go over in the back and grab a stack of spokes.....do you order them premade? In generic sizes and shapes, then work them down to exact matches?? Or do you make them entirely, off screen then just bring them into camera sight? You’re a legend either way!! Im just asking for education purposes.
Thanks for this useful video
Wood and metal, I really enjoy seeing you display your enormous talents. This is a well made video.....and educational!
Did you design and build the hub boring machine?
....13
vu le 23 janvier 2019 Je suis très impressionné par votre habileté. merci beaucoup pour le partage. pierre de vierzon
Do you have to make the spokes or can you buy them?
Is this where the term carriage head bolt comes from. carriage wheels.
MY RESPECT SIR.
Did you also make the spokes or are they ready made? I like watching you work and I envy you for your shop where you do great work. Thanks for sharing.
Interesting stuff.
The hub boring machine is awesome. Any chance that it's something that you made? Probably not, given the manufactured look of the boring head slide.
That looks pretty home-made to me. The side that is run in/out with the boring bit is a turret head from a turret lathe.
OK - not exactly "home made" in the way your rubber-tire machine is, but definitely not bought, either. Still awesome in the way that it does what it was intended for.
Почему вы не используете штангенциркуль?
Why are the bolts placed at the junction of the spokes instead of through the center of the spoke?
I assume to prevent the wood from splitting.
Maybe to provide two attachment points for each spoke instead of one. This can prevent the spokes from rotating within the hub.
EngelsCoachShop, Yes, of course. I realized the phrasing wasn't right after I posted.
There was a smart guy who fuggered that one out. Locks the spoke and does not make it weaker. I'd have to have my wheels fail before I fuggered that one out. Good design tip I'll hope to use in the future. It's the little things that make the technology work.
Aaaah so!
Would love to hear the story of who "Archibald" was and where and why he came up with this type of wagon hub.
Rain Coast you bring up a very good point. It is very interesting watching the craftsmanship but were he to also share some history or background like that would really make this especially interesting.
@Arthur - Yes, however finding info on who the 'Archibald Hub' inventor was is proving very difficult.
Not sure if this helps but an article I found on google books from an Army Ordance magazine of 1921 books.google.com/books?id=oLXmAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA100&dq=Archibald+wheel+hub&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEns7q_9vXAhUD3IMKHRCNBOgQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Archibald%20wheel%20hub&f=false
I guess in addition you would want to know Edward A. Archibald "The Archibald Wheel Company was a wheel manufactory active between 1867 and 1910, founded and co-owned by Edward A. Archibald of Methuen, Massachusetts. Developed in the late 1860s, the Archibald Wheel Company provided spoked wheels for wagons. The Archibald Wheel Company quickly gained favor in the industry after 1869 with their patent for the machine that created iron-hubbed wheels, serving clientele across the United States from 1870 until the 1910s. " phillipslibrarycollections.pem.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15928coll1/id/3680
I need to stop drinking...here's a patent. www.google.com/patents/US106449
Craftsmanship 💯💯💯💯
Really enjoyed this one as I do all of your videos! :-) Quite interesting how early ball and roller bearings came into use.
One question please. I noticed that the hub mounting bolts are drilled at the center of the spoke mating flanges. Did I see this correctly and, if so, what is the purpose.
thanks you
warm regards
vic
Hi Dave
thanks for the reply. These early wheel builders were pretty clever:-)
regards
vic
See me, I'm definitely one to throw the Health & Safety book into a corner at times cos it really does get in the way . . . Common sense is my preferred watchword.
But one look at that Hub Boring Machine with an open frame spinning at 10,000,000,000,000 revs a second and even I get the shivers 0.o
Thanks, I have never heard of this type of wheel. What is it going on?
3:19 "These hubs go on a tank wagon and have ball bearings"
You deaf? Stupid?
@@mwilliamshs took a long time to comment. but thanks anyway.
@@Marty2Man I've only just seen the video a few minutes ago