Sewing Canvas Wagon Tops & How They Attach | Engels Coach Shop

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  • Canvas wagon tops were an effective barrier from the elements for both the pioneers as well as the trail cook on the cattle drives. Although the style of knots were probably varied, this simple climbing half hitch is easy to tie and easily untied as well. These are the steps I take when sewing these original style canvas wagon tops. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles is what I focus on here, trying to demonstrate the job of the wheelwright, blacksmith, upholsterer, painter and striper, while I work on traditional carriages, wagons, coaches and buggies.
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  • @daddybearlv
    @daddybearlv ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Why do I watch your channel? It’s your excellent craftsmanship.

  • @frogmann49
    @frogmann49 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Boy…Old Wishbone would be in his crowning glory with that set up. It’s a beautiful thing 🐂

  • @elrond12eleven
    @elrond12eleven ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not a wheelwright by any means, but like your channel mostly because of your workshop, that does not pretend being a TV-studio like many youtuber's shops, but is a real craftsman's working-place - with beautiful old tools kept in good condition and fitted to your needs, with self-made equipment and reasonable amount of "new and shiny". It's a place with history, not yesterday-built shop of one-day videoblogger.

  • @brh4115
    @brh4115 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    It is amazing the number of trades you demonstrate on any given job including videographer! Thanks to you and your wife for sharing!

    • @jeffclark2725
      @jeffclark2725 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Agreed 👍, and he doesn't carry on about it, he just let's the progress flow and it works

  • @audiotechlabs4650
    @audiotechlabs4650 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This build has been a look back at how it must have been done 300 years ago! Every detail in this build is just like it was before. Modern tools like the sewing machine and many many more Dave uses, provides time and labor savings, but the building components are the same! All of Dave’s projects he shares with us, are a history lesson! You can not watch and enjoy these videos without learning something! This chuck wagon didn’t know it, but it is the first RV! A place to sleep, a place to eat, a place to carry tools and supplies that you could drive away to a new place! Sounds familiar? The only down side is not having the tools and knowledge to do what Dave does! Love every one of these videos! Can’t wait for the next! It is fantastic to watch you create! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz

  • @garybatch4102
    @garybatch4102 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Rarely do we see craftsman today with the diversity of skills you showcase each week - you sir are truly not just a 'Jack-of all-trades' but a master of all required for the end product. So much the opposite of the specialization we see in the modern world...

    • @jonathanwilliams4348
      @jonathanwilliams4348 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nothing truer, or better well said..well, except for the King James Bible!

  • @kirkpowell6161
    @kirkpowell6161 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A climbing half hitch, you are pretty fast but I am almost certain that is the knot I have been using for 37 years to tie down my airplane. It only took me 37 years to learn that it actually has a name! Another fine video sir, thank you for taking the time!

  • @jenksify
    @jenksify ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could tell those were the hands of a hard working blue collar man. Well done on the top.

  • @jonathanwilliams4348
    @jonathanwilliams4348 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is no big deal, just more artistry from a true Master of Trades.
    BTW, when I came across my first video of this channel, the Comments seemed to show a lot of rear kissin', but after watching some videos; it seemed to me to not be nearly enough recognition for the skills displayed.

  • @thisolesignguy2733
    @thisolesignguy2733 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LOL I had to laugh when you were putting that top on, it reminded me of building a tent with a sheet in the living room whenI was a kid. I half expected you to peek your head out with a book, a flashlight, and a sign that says "No Girlz Allowed" haha

  • @RobbieSongwriter
    @RobbieSongwriter ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Your patience and attention to detail never fails to amaze me. i.e. that extra bend you put into the ring mounting plates. My thanks once again for sharing your incredible skills and knowledge.

  • @harpintn
    @harpintn ปีที่แล้ว

    I love all the little details that you put into the wagons that you make. Things like braiding the rope back instead of just putting glue on it or tying it off with some yarn, are the mark of a true craftsman.

  • @sandstonespeedshed7167
    @sandstonespeedshed7167 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In this video - master craftsman demonstrates fabric welding!

  • @daniellarrivee7933
    @daniellarrivee7933 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks Mr. Engel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Wargunsfan
    @Wargunsfan ปีที่แล้ว +15

    We did a lot of sewing on the Apollo space suits after they left the International Latex Corp. factory in Delaware and reached the suit lab at Kennedy Space Center back in the 1960s. The training suits had to be repaired almost daily as the astronauts were pretty rough on them. We used Singer industrial sewing machines to sew through as many as eight layers of different materials. From covered wagons to space suits same sewing machine.

    • @MichaelKingsfordGray
      @MichaelKingsfordGray ปีที่แล้ว

      We?
      You mean the anonymous infantile coward brigade?
      You lie about your real name. I don't believe ANYTHING that you type.

  • @Rommel812
    @Rommel812 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sehr beeindruckendes Video. Zu sehen wie so etwas wie die Plane angefertigt wird einfach wundervoll. Von mir Daumen hoch.

  • @manfredschmalbach9023
    @manfredschmalbach9023 ปีที่แล้ว

    A sudden rush of sewing machine envy occurred to me when I saw You sewing on the loops ..... Thanks for sharing!
    It is quite the plethora of details that make Your work so special.

  • @csorgatz
    @csorgatz ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing work! I thought I was a carpenter until I watch your videos!...

  • @SPW812
    @SPW812 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ahh, a back splice on sisal, old ways are not gone!

  • @esseelettronica8507
    @esseelettronica8507 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sir I realize more and more that his mastery in his field is extremely ample proof of this is what he has achieved, For me passionate about the stories of the West that at 64 I still regularly read comics set in the West watching the construction of this wagon it was really interesting I always thank you for the time you dedicated to movies. Best regards.

    • @dianeengel4155
      @dianeengel4155 ปีที่แล้ว

      You might like the TH-cam channel Today's Wild West.

  • @billmillar7234
    @billmillar7234 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Straight pins in a Sucrets box..... can't get much more "old school" than that 😊

  • @Per409
    @Per409 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pins in the sucrets box, i've used the same box for fish hooks at least 40 years now.
    These are wonderful videos and so relaxing

    • @dwightl5863
      @dwightl5863 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Those Sucrets boxes were nice little boxes for all sorts of things.

    • @charleshettrick2408
      @charleshettrick2408 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No other way. Inherited my father's machine complete with Sucrets box full of pins. Use it mainly for sewing canvas machine covers.

  • @vernabink2865
    @vernabink2865 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dave, you are a national treasure. Thank you.

  • @webhatley1537
    @webhatley1537 ปีที่แล้ว

    There seems to be nothing that this gentleman can’t do. Thanks for all the great videos. Truly inspiring.

  • @dianetheone4059
    @dianetheone4059 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the close-up of your hands. I feel better about my own fingers now.

  • @aazogbi
    @aazogbi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Braiding the sisal ends back on themselves... that's aiming for perfection of craftmanship . For years your skills have been amazing me and teaching me. Thank you Dave.

  • @pat36a
    @pat36a ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My mom sewed all her life , Sucrets was her tin of choice for her straight pins also ..

    • @tinydancer7426
      @tinydancer7426 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Altoids here. Use those tine for pins, needles (hand sewing machine needle) bobbins, etc (little things) ..... and the mints a great to suck on while sewing.

    • @ericsyvertsen5880
      @ericsyvertsen5880 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL...My Mom used a Sucrets tin as well, that was such a cool memory when I saw he used one.

  • @kurtholzer9619
    @kurtholzer9619 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am impressed with the amount of attention to detail for a "Simple Tarp", You are a True MASTER of your art!!! Thank You

    • @dianeengel4155
      @dianeengel4155 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm curious. Do you live in Stanford?

    • @kurtholzer9619
      @kurtholzer9619 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dianeengel4155 No, Gilbert AZ

  • @tomt9543
    @tomt9543 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The worst thing about an Engels coach shop video? They end! Ha! I absolutely love all the trades that go into a project like this, and love even more that there’s one person who’s proficient in all of them! Thanks to you and your wife for spending the endless hours to film, edit and post these gems, and all the while running a business at the same time! God bless you both!

  • @charlescompton4495
    @charlescompton4495 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I learned how to do the ends of rope when I was a Boy Scout. I still put the straight and eye ends on my ropes now (75 years old). I learned how to splice rope but even though I know how I just never come to trust it. Shame on me! Your video today brought back some real good memories and as always...thank you and looking forward to the next one. Greg

  • @gordtemple764
    @gordtemple764 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave has the fingers of a seamstress/blacksmith.
    🍻🇨🇦👨‍🏭

  • @richardclark7948
    @richardclark7948 ปีที่แล้ว

    I look forward to seeing your videos every Friday. The level of craftsmanship is always outstanding.

  • @artbrownsr
    @artbrownsr ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wheelwright, sail maker, marlinspike seamanship, blacksmith, welder, you sir have a lot of skills, and I noticed your thumb got in the way at some point.
    Stay safe buddy!

  • @stunnedatsunset7649
    @stunnedatsunset7649 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mr. Engels! You are such a talented fellow!

  • @ShouldersMoondog549
    @ShouldersMoondog549 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Since my wife does quilting, I had to show her your sewing set up!! I've really enjoyed the videos on the "Chuckwagon" build! But it looks like it is coming to an end!! But I'm looking forward to the next project you have in the shop!!

  • @rodneywroten2994
    @rodneywroten2994 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Mr Engels you are amazing. love watching your work

    • @dianeengel4155
      @dianeengel4155 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your faithfulness in watching.

  • @darrellbedford4857
    @darrellbedford4857 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Another great video. This man is amazing with the number of trades he can do. Woodwright, wheelwright, blacksmith, machinist, painter, seamstress???, camera man, film editor and also an historian. A man of many trades who also enjoys sharing his experience with other people. I guess that means he is also a fantastic teacher. What new trade will he show is next week. Look forward to his videos every week.

    • @paulg3336
      @paulg3336 ปีที่แล้ว

      A person that operates a sewing machine is generally referred to as a "machinist".

    • @darrellbedford4857
      @darrellbedford4857 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulg3336 Thank you

  • @glensmith766
    @glensmith766 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That boot patch machine looks as handy as a pocket on a shirt. I sewed up a custom tent and recognized a lot of what I did in what you are doing. Thanks for the validation.

  • @KevinJones-pj8kx
    @KevinJones-pj8kx ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love that old Singer sewing machine. It reliably clicks along giving you great stitches. Beautiful craftsmanship.

  • @dougmilley2480
    @dougmilley2480 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Love the rope end splice! I taught pioneering to many boy scouts at summer camp years ago(+40). I still hear from these (now leaders)scouts passing this skill on today. The best ways will never die.

    • @thisolesignguy2733
      @thisolesignguy2733 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm an Eagle Scout myself, and taught the Knots merit badge, Glad to see another scout! There's not many of us left these days, I wish more people were interested in it and not so interested in their games and phones. I still go camping every january just because I loved the Klondike derby so much!

    • @rickswanberg4995
      @rickswanberg4995 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Glad to see that marlin spike seamanship is alive and well in the west. Back splice, bowline and taut line hitch.

  • @dlstanf2
    @dlstanf2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You just make this look easy. But, by no means is it easy. Really appreciate the knowledge you share.

  • @billybobholcomb8768
    @billybobholcomb8768 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always. It is a treat to watch a rue craftsman at work.

  • @brianlittle3452
    @brianlittle3452 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice use of an old ping-pong table (for sewing the top).

  • @juergenblasius1104
    @juergenblasius1104 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful a new amazing wagon is now on the road your work is really outstanding not from this world

  • @steveskouson9620
    @steveskouson9620 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    David, a wonderful end, to a crappy work week!
    Thanks for postin'.
    steve

  • @seamusgeoghegan9868
    @seamusgeoghegan9868 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep, it's official.... I haven't a hand to bless myself. Excellent craftsmanship, very impressive. Thanks for sharing.

  • @doppelbuechse1
    @doppelbuechse1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For years I have been watching the videos from the Coach Shop and asking myself again and again: What can this real master of the handcraft actually not do? Forging, turning, welding, woodworking, upholstery and construction. I am always amazed and I bow down to this knowledge and skills.

  • @petepeterson4540
    @petepeterson4540 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven't done the braiding back since the United States Navy back in 1979

  • @azpcox
    @azpcox ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The amazing thing is that there were hundreds or thousands of folks just like Dave building these back in the day. All of these elements were common knowledge to them and anyone who really used a wagon. They’d know what broke on their wagon and either fix it temporarily themselves to get it back on the job, or have it “towed” in by horses to get fixed at the dealership. Now there are a handful of skilled tradesmen/women carrying on the lost art. I consider this to be a museum piece. Folks back in the day would just call it a clean Chuck wagon. ;). It’s still a museum piece!

  • @kevinreardon2558
    @kevinreardon2558 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those ring assemblies are brilliant! I could not see what you were planning until I saw all the steps. Brilliant.

  • @Garth2011
    @Garth2011 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The definitions of hand made apply here and within the confines of Engels Coach Shop. If it's got to last a century or so of weather and use, it seems that handmade is the best routine.
    The canvas is very cool, there would be all sorts of methods and designs I reckon but it seems the tradition designs function and appeal the best in simple terms. Thank you Dave.

    • @dianeengel4155
      @dianeengel4155 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your faithful watching, Garth.

  • @matthewb8229
    @matthewb8229 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alex, I'll take "Sewn Canvas Seams That Will Never Come Apart" for $1000. Answer, "This wheel wright and coach builder sews a fantastic canvas cover for chuck wagons."

  • @railbirrd
    @railbirrd ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You look like a sail maker putting together the sheets for that prairie schooner. Love your videos.

  • @tonyfletcher2541
    @tonyfletcher2541 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As always, I am captivated by your videos. I swear I could watch them all night! Thank you for keeping this skill alive!

  • @t_4178
    @t_4178 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the old sewing machine.

  • @ascott6804
    @ascott6804 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What can this man not do!!??? I've learned Soo much from this channel. I'll never use most of it, but wow!!

  • @jeffclark2725
    @jeffclark2725 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Always impressed and look forward to the Friday afternoon video

  • @bartonseagrave9605
    @bartonseagrave9605 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wishbone's hardtacks are going to get mighty wet when the rain falls from the stern.
    Keep on rollin.

  • @billflynn818
    @billflynn818 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are incredible, and I greatly respect your talents and capabilities. Your videos are so relaxing! Thank you for your time.

  • @davidshaper5146
    @davidshaper5146 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With ironing skills like that, my shirts better be ready by next Friday.

  • @timstevens9400
    @timstevens9400 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sure enjoyed meeting with you and your wife my name is Tim Stevens from NC love the content of your videos keep up the good work !!

  • @rickdafler2515
    @rickdafler2515 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time seeing a sewing machine foot rotate like that. Terrific.

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for taking us along on this Amazing excellent....Chuck Wagon build.....Old Shoe🇺🇸

    • @dianeengel4155
      @dianeengel4155 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your faithfulness in watching, Old Shoe. :)

  • @gerry343
    @gerry343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have many strings to your bow, Mr Engels!

  • @zupmeoff
    @zupmeoff ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So many skill sets to build wagons. I never realized. 😀

  • @diabolicalartificer
    @diabolicalartificer ปีที่แล้ว

    The only thing you didn't fabricate is the horse and harness, grand craftmanship, thanks.

  • @joevano
    @joevano ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, you really can do it all!

  • @markgriffin4888
    @markgriffin4888 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saturday 3rd ,at 7:25 on the central coast of nsw Australia 👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @jimforsyth2.
    @jimforsyth2. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that loop mechine is awesome I didn't even know there was a mechine that swivels like that . your the best thanks for the education

  • @VAXHeadroom
    @VAXHeadroom ปีที่แล้ว +14

    10:00 I've spliced a lot of rope, but not seen that way to start a butt splice before. Very clean, will have to try to remember that!
    Also that climbing half-hitch is an interesting variant on a taut-line hitch...
    Seriously in love with that walking foot sewing machine. Doing the cross patterns you put on the loops is a serious pain on a straight machine!!

    • @vernonhope3551
      @vernonhope3551 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A nice detail there, a back splice started (as normal) with a crown knot.

    • @Thundermuffin93
      @Thundermuffin93 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Essential craftsman has a great video on the same method but on a larger piece of rope. Ive used it a few times now.

  • @polychronisrempoulakis3588
    @polychronisrempoulakis3588 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your attention to detail is second to none!

  • @milt7348
    @milt7348 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Work of art. Thanks for bringing me along for the ride. Stay safe.

  • @33Duce
    @33Duce ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Engels is a man of so many talents. Great work!

  • @user-ms8vf4rf5s
    @user-ms8vf4rf5s ปีที่แล้ว

    Вы настоящий мастер. Я с большим удовольствием смотрю все Ваши видео.

  • @imanutnur7
    @imanutnur7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Another exposition of a true craftsman. It is well worth the wait to see how you accomplish another skilled job.

  • @larrymazzuca1313
    @larrymazzuca1313 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love everything that you do and share with us every week !

  • @olddawgdreaming5715
    @olddawgdreaming5715 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey Dave that will work for anyone. Really looks good and will provide ample cover for the Cookie Wagon. Excellent job. Thanks for sharing with us it is really a great channel. Fred.

  • @glencrandall7051
    @glencrandall7051 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Outstanding! I would call this a museum piece. Smithsonian? 👍👍👍👍Thank you for sharing and thank you for keeping the old methods and techniques alive. 🙂🙂🙂🙂

  • @racerx9133
    @racerx9133 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Your videos always inspire me to get out of the house and just do something!As always excellent work

  • @ahvavee
    @ahvavee ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love knot tying! Knot working is one of my favorite things to do! 😁

  • @dloregon
    @dloregon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the way you did that back splice I would think you were a boatswain's mate in the Navy. But then again you could have been a seamstress, or a carpenter or blacksmith. Good job by the way.

  • @thomaslocatell2672
    @thomaslocatell2672 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You have been hitting it hard for a while now. That wagon is superb

  • @jack002tuber
    @jack002tuber ปีที่แล้ว

    You have so many skills. It's fun to see all these in motion. Just making a wagon wheel seems a monumental event.

  • @alexlail7481
    @alexlail7481 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your broad range of skills never cease to be amazing, thx for sharing

  • @cyclingbutterbean
    @cyclingbutterbean ปีที่แล้ว +31

    It's Friday! My dad sewed parachute harnesses in the Navy in the mid 50's. He talked about a sewing machine that the "foot" could be rotated. Never seen one until now. Very cool! Also had a silver dollar that he ran through the sewing machine. Wouldn't have wanted to get my fingers in the way of that machine.

  • @billmaguire6216
    @billmaguire6216 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just got a 1921 29-4 boot patcher Wednesday. They are a neat machine. I plan to make the optional removable table for doing flat work. Watching you use it just now shows just how versatile they are like the time you sewed your wife's tote bag too. Thanks for sharing.

  • @redblackvette
    @redblackvette ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watching anything you do!! What amazing talent you have!! I have been watching you for many years now. God bless you

  • @465maltbie
    @465maltbie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really neat to see how you did those ring hasps, thanks for sharing. Charles

  • @hasletjoe5984
    @hasletjoe5984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a craftsman! Thanks you for the videos. Take care of that thumb, must of got caught in the cookie jar!

  • @brianmoore5454
    @brianmoore5454 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice back-splice Dave

  • @rexmyers991
    @rexmyers991 ปีที่แล้ว

    SO INTERESTING! Yet another skill you are demonstrating. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @stuartlockwood9645
    @stuartlockwood9645 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Dave, your a very versatile craftsman that's for sure, the canvas top looked very smart, and likes the pliced size ropes, and the ring hold downs, finished it off a treat.,thanks for another interesting video mate, stay safe, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.

  • @louishayworth9023
    @louishayworth9023 ปีที่แล้ว

    The sucrets tin was a staple at our house too. My mom sewed a lot and I still remember her having that tin full of pins.

  • @chuckthomas8176
    @chuckthomas8176 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow ! I love wagons so much .. I love your talent sir .. great ..

  • @paulsquires9117
    @paulsquires9117 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just, mesmerising to watch! The ultimate craftsman.

  • @ron827
    @ron827 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As always, you make it look sooooooo easy. That is what experience does.

  • @bretdavisdmd
    @bretdavisdmd ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously one of the best craftsman out there.

  • @CraigLYoung
    @CraigLYoung ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Impressive, I haven't seen anyone splice rope for awhile. Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @mayforddavis9291
    @mayforddavis9291 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As always, enjoyed the video. However, when you were at the machine sewing I noticed that the light was yellow which indicates you are using a 2700K soft white light bulb. I would offer a suggestion; change the light bulb to a 5000K daylight LED. I work for a big box store and have helped hundreds of people "see better" by changing them to Daylight. Try it, you may like it. Bless You and the Mrs.

    • @72polara
      @72polara ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some machines use a 6.3 volt bulb with a standard base that gets its power off a tap on the motor winding. That is how my machine, a Singer clone works. Not many bulb choices. Machine has a clutch so the motor runs all the time.

  • @anitaallen4143
    @anitaallen4143 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are a true craftsmen. I’m fascinated with that singer. The head swivels?. No way. I’ve got an old consoe and working with canvas like you did with the Loops would be great. I’m making a wagon top this fall for Dobbys frontier town in Alliance Nebraska.