You say it's rust proof. I believe. You are one of the few TH-cam people that actually use H1 and lc200n daily. Keep the good work. I am waiting for the waterway. I hope Spyderco will keep thin behind the edge profile.
Thanks for this review, this is great info and very helpful. I had a ridiculously sharp ZDP 189 blade chip out the first time I used it for something other than slicing paper, it took forever to get it working sharp again, and slightly longer to get it shaving sharp. I much prefer softer steels (58-59 HRC) after that experience! And congrats on the Waterway, what a fantastic design!
59 hrc is the best balance on most steels, on either fixed blades or folders. People, when you see a knife that it says 59 or 58-60 etc.. that's what you should go for!
Small rust spots appeared on the blade of my caribbean after a few fishing trips . I did what i think is a "classic" use of this kind of slatwater knife : fish killed and gutted with it, cleaned with salt water on the spot, then properly rinsed, cleaned and lubed back home. I also noticed that the LC200N is soft and sometimes roll when i cut fish tails or fluorocarbon lines. the detend is also very very soft, i can shake it open, i already cut myself reaching for it because it tend to not stay closed in pockets. on the good side, i can easly get a air wittling edge with LC200N, the leaf blade shape is great, ergo are quite good. overall, i'm disappointed, it's definitely not rustproof for a fisherman and that soft detent leaves me concerned about cutting myself while reaching for it.
Hey Jordan , seeing ANY rust after that treatment is very odd. Mine has seen MONTHS of heavy exposure. Laying covered in saltwater and blood every day and it has never shown a spot of rust on the blade. I rinse it lightly when I come In but I have never lubed it at all. If you are seeing any rust after the light use you described them something is definitely amiss. If I were you I would send it in to Spyderco and have them take a look. They will take care of you. Regarding the steel being soft, yes, it’s softer than some of the steels we have access to today but it is harder/stronger than H1 which was the only real rust proof option before lc200n came along. So it may not be perfect but definitely a big improvement over what we had. I agree with you that the detent on the Caribbean should be stronger. That’s actually my only complaint with the knife.
@@thefishrustler3893 Thanks, i'll try to get in touch with them. Since i live in europe it may be a bit tricky, but i've heard they have a good customer service. i Hope i just have ended with a bad one because with a tougher detent and a rust free steel that would be a hell of a knife.
Jordan Yes, it is definitely tricky from Europe. Problem is they will always want you to send the knife in and that is expensive to do from where you are and then you might have to pay customs fees to get it back. I live outside the US too and when I have to send in something like that I just wait until I have an acquaintance visiting the US and send it with them to mail in from within the US. Good luck! 👍🏼
I enjoyed your video and my knife skills are very novice at 56 years old , i might give this knife a try before my dotage sets in .My knife experience is mostly SAK . Greetings from Scotland . Tks .
Great video. Was thinking of getting this for my hiking knife around the coast. First time I heard of this steel and it seems impressive! Could you tell me of the name of your knife sharpening tool? Currently I carry a Benchmade as my EDC with s30v steel.
Very good presentation! Just a clarification: according to the specs on the Spyderco data sheet the liners are made of stainless steel. What about the Compression Lock? If this is the case then all these elements are susceptible to rust if exposed to salt water.
Nice video. Just thinking about Pacific salt 2 lc200n (I have one). I have many Endura 4 knives and have meen used to them. Do you think it would be benefit if the Pacific Salt 2 also had stainless steel liners inside the handle (made of rustproof lc200n steel)? Handle would be more sturdy. Thanks!
Hey Greek, I’m sure I’m completely biased but if I could only have one folder it would be the Spyderco Siren. That’s what I designed it to be. A do everything folding knife for my lifestyle.
@@thefishrustler3893 Holyy didn't know I fall on a Spyderco knife designer!! I'm not into folders that much. Siren looks that can fit that role perfectly! Full flat and a simple overall design, is what makes a perfect knife!! Thanks for the response!!
Honestly, I was ready to sharpen this one after a week. I had to force myself to keep using a semi dull knife that I could have tuned up to shaving sharp in 20 seconds. If I'm using my knives daily I typically sharpen every 4 or 5 days. Given that protocol, I don't see much performance advantage from the high carbide steels...they're just harder to keep sharp.
@@thefishrustler3893 I hear you. The thing is, I don't think s110v is really any good for someone who touches up their knives constantly. I will always keep a s110v knife for work purposes (sometimes you have heavy work and can't always sharpen), but I'm getting over it from an enjoyment standpoint. And I actually consider s110v very easy to sharpen.
@@oceanwaves83 My thoughts exactly. I appreciate s110v for what it is. It's a good steel and I understand the appeal, it's just not the best fit for most of my use. For a guy who has to do a ton of abrasive cutting in his work day or for the guy who likes to use his knives until they are completely dull, s110v is a good option. If you like to do regular touchups and keep your knives at a high levels of sharpness then there are better options.
Hey mate, How do you regrind without ruining the heat treat? I love the regrind of this and your chef. Im a fisherman myself and would love a pontier blade on my folders. At least until I can find a waterway in stock in Australia at some point.
Yeah man, I just continuously dip it in water. Go slow and dip often and shouldn’t be a problem. Not sure when they will be in Australia but there are more Sirens coming out soon too.
if your belt grinding... instead of using aluminum oxide belts or zirconia belts, try using one of the ceramic abrasive belts, they do grind at a noticeably lower temperature. 3M ceramics are great, but I use Combat Abrasives Shredder belts, they grind cool, are extremely fast grinding, have a long belt life and are affordable. they're IMO the best on the market.... I am in no way affiliated with with any manufacturer of any belts or anything like that. I'm just a guy with a 2x72 grinder who makes knives and stuff on the weekends and after work when time allows
Micah Knepper it depends. I feel like for many types of use it retains a functional level of cutting ability longer at a lower angle but you have to accept some slight edge deformation if your cutting hard media. For edc I like the low angle. For harder use on the kayak I prefer a 30 degree edge with a 40 degree microbevel.
Good info. I'm a little late here and new to the knife world. Do you think your leaf-shaped blade has better all around applicability than the sheepsfoot version?
vol keith I think the scales are a fairly polarizing feature on this design. Some love them, some hate them. I don’t have any extreme feelings but they aren’t my favorite feature of the knife, either in color or texture. They work well enough though. 🤷♂️
Sagi Shadadi hey there. For cleaning fish you definitely want PE. For some fishing tasks like cutting line or rope a SE can work better but overall, I probably prefer PE. Both will work great and be suitable though.
Hear, hear! I've given up on people who shun Aus-8 or 440C - if these are heat treated right, they are workhorse steels; same goes for 8Cr13MoV, 12C27, N690 etc. All of these won't hold an edge for very long in cardboard, but they are way tougher and easier to sharpen than the super steels.
Emanuel Buttigieg Absolutely. You need the extra diamond rods for reprofiling (would be faster still with a low grit benchstone) but once your bevels are set you can touch up a big fixed blade just as easily as a 3” folder.
You say it's rust proof. I believe. You are one of the few TH-cam people that actually use H1 and lc200n daily. Keep the good work. I am waiting for the waterway. I hope Spyderco will keep thin behind the edge profile.
Thanks for this review, this is great info and very helpful. I had a ridiculously sharp ZDP 189 blade chip out the first time I used it for something other than slicing paper, it took forever to get it working sharp again, and slightly longer to get it shaving sharp. I much prefer softer steels (58-59 HRC) after that experience!
And congrats on the Waterway, what a fantastic design!
59 hrc is the best balance on most steels, on either fixed blades or folders. People, when you see a knife that it says 59 or 58-60 etc.. that's what you should go for!
Super cool you designed the waterway. Nice review.
Any update on the Waterway release? Been patiently waiting!!
Small rust spots appeared on the blade of my caribbean after a few fishing trips . I did what i think is a "classic" use of this kind of slatwater knife : fish killed and gutted with it, cleaned with salt water on the spot, then properly rinsed, cleaned and lubed back home.
I also noticed that the LC200N is soft and sometimes roll when i cut fish tails or fluorocarbon lines.
the detend is also very very soft, i can shake it open, i already cut myself reaching for it because it tend to not stay closed in pockets.
on the good side, i can easly get a air wittling edge with LC200N, the leaf blade shape is great, ergo are quite good.
overall, i'm disappointed, it's definitely not rustproof for a fisherman and that soft detent leaves me concerned about cutting myself while reaching for it.
Hey Jordan , seeing ANY rust after that treatment is very odd. Mine has seen MONTHS of heavy exposure. Laying covered in saltwater and blood every day and it has never shown a spot of rust on the blade. I rinse it lightly when I come In but I have never lubed it at all. If you are seeing any rust after the light use you described them something is definitely amiss. If I were you I would send it in to Spyderco and have them take a look. They will take care of you. Regarding the steel being soft, yes, it’s softer than some of the steels we have access to today but it is harder/stronger than H1 which was the only real rust proof option before lc200n came along. So it may not be perfect but definitely a big improvement over what we had. I agree with you that the detent on the Caribbean should be stronger. That’s actually my only complaint with the knife.
@@thefishrustler3893 Thanks, i'll try to get in touch with them. Since i live in europe it may be a bit tricky, but i've heard they have a good customer service. i Hope i just have ended with a bad one because with a tougher detent and a rust free steel that would be a hell of a knife.
Jordan Yes, it is definitely tricky from Europe. Problem is they will always want you to send the knife in and that is expensive to do from where you are and then you might have to pay customs fees to get it back. I live outside the US too and when I have to send in something like that I just wait until I have an acquaintance visiting the US and send it with them to mail in from within the US. Good luck! 👍🏼
You got a knock off
Nice review. I like how u go to the extreme and show us everything. Thanks!
What a fantastic review you did brother,,,
I enjoyed your video and my knife skills are very novice at 56 years old , i might give this knife a try before my dotage sets in .My knife experience is mostly SAK . Greetings from Scotland . Tks .
Damn... Sharpmaker looks legit. I think you have just made me buy one
Love the regrind!
I have found in my experience very similar results as he describes. Easily my favorite all around steel.
Look at those arms, gawd damn 😳
Currently have the same Carribean, Spydychef, and waiting for the Siren. Great steel and design!
I've exclusively been using my Caribbean at work and my Spydiechef for meal prep. Don't think I need any other knives (I say that now).
Great video. Was thinking of getting this for my hiking knife around the coast. First time I heard of this steel and it seems impressive! Could you tell me of the name of your knife sharpening tool? Currently I carry a Benchmade as my EDC with s30v steel.
That is Spyderco’s Triangle Sharpmaker sharpener.
Outstanding review!
WTF? I never liked this knife till I saw your video. Thanks for the lesson my Bladed Brother ⚔️
Thanks for the info. Mine just arrived yesterday! I bought it as an outdoors companion to my H-1 Aqua Salt.
Very good presentation! Just a clarification: according to the specs on the Spyderco data sheet the liners are made of stainless steel. What about the Compression Lock? If this is the case then all these elements are susceptible to rust if exposed to salt water.
Hi Lance. Wondering what contraption you are using for sharpening your LC200N. Are you still using it? I know its been a while since this video.
In this video? That’s the Spyderco Sharpmaker. Best sharpener on the market for regular touchups.
Great vid Lance! Thanks!
Nice video. Just thinking about Pacific salt 2 lc200n (I have one). I have many Endura 4 knives and have meen used to them. Do you think it would be benefit if the Pacific Salt 2 also had stainless steel liners inside the handle (made of rustproof lc200n steel)? Handle would be more sturdy. Thanks!
This knife if you could only have one? or the Kapara? If none, then which production folding knife, is the best for general use? Thanks in advance
Hey Greek, I’m sure I’m completely biased but if I could only have one folder it would be the Spyderco Siren. That’s what I designed it to be. A do everything folding knife for my lifestyle.
@@thefishrustler3893 Holyy didn't know I fall on a Spyderco knife designer!! I'm not into folders that much. Siren looks that can fit that role perfectly! Full flat and a simple overall design, is what makes a perfect knife!! Thanks for the response!!
Excellent analysis, thanks for posting.
My s110v lasted 10 days, hair whittling to incapable of shaving. Had to sharpen.
Honestly, I was ready to sharpen this one after a week. I had to force myself to keep using a semi dull knife that I could have tuned up to shaving sharp in 20 seconds. If I'm using my knives daily I typically sharpen every 4 or 5 days. Given that protocol, I don't see much performance advantage from the high carbide steels...they're just harder to keep sharp.
@@thefishrustler3893 I hear you. The thing is, I don't think s110v is really any good for someone who touches up their knives constantly. I will always keep a s110v knife for work purposes (sometimes you have heavy work and can't always sharpen), but I'm getting over it from an enjoyment standpoint. And I actually consider s110v very easy to sharpen.
@@oceanwaves83 My thoughts exactly. I appreciate s110v for what it is. It's a good steel and I understand the appeal, it's just not the best fit for most of my use. For a guy who has to do a ton of abrasive cutting in his work day or for the guy who likes to use his knives until they are completely dull, s110v is a good option. If you like to do regular touchups and keep your knives at a high levels of sharpness then there are better options.
S110v will hold that not shaving edge for a while though (which for some users may be ok)
Hey I’m going to Costa Rica looking for some good spots to fish. Mostly surf fishing
Hey L H just look for the rivermouths this time of year and you will probably find fish. 👍🏼
Thanks! I’m actually going down end of March. Will river mouths still be the best bet?
L H yes, probably so. Rivermouths and rocky points. Just watch your back at the rivermouths. Crocs. Kind of kidding, but not really. 🤷♂️🙂
Hey mate,
How do you regrind without ruining the heat treat? I love the regrind of this and your chef. Im a fisherman myself and would love a pontier blade on my folders.
At least until I can find a waterway in stock in Australia at some point.
Yeah man, I just continuously dip it in water. Go slow and dip often and shouldn’t be a problem. Not sure when they will be in Australia but there are more Sirens coming out soon too.
if your belt grinding... instead of using aluminum oxide belts or zirconia belts, try using one of the ceramic abrasive belts, they do grind at a noticeably lower temperature. 3M ceramics are great, but I use Combat Abrasives Shredder belts, they grind cool, are extremely fast grinding, have a long belt life and are affordable. they're IMO the best on the market....
I am in no way affiliated with with any manufacturer of any belts or anything like that. I'm just a guy with a 2x72 grinder who makes knives and stuff on the weekends and after work when time allows
@@thefishrustler3893 thanks mate. Love your work as a keen fisherman and spyderco enthusiast im so glad this stuff exists.
Great review, thanks. Do you think it would have fared better or worse with its original geometry?
Micah Knepper it depends. I feel like for many types of use it retains a functional level of cutting ability longer at a lower angle but you have to accept some slight edge deformation if your cutting hard media. For edc I like the low angle. For harder use on the kayak I prefer a 30 degree edge with a 40 degree microbevel.
Great video! Nice analysis!
Good info. I'm a little late here and new to the knife world. Do you think your leaf-shaped blade has better all around applicability than the sheepsfoot version?
What sharpener is that?
That’s the Spyderco Sharpmaker.
They released a CQI version with different hardware.
What do you think about the glossy scales? Why in the world did Sal do that?
vol keith I think the scales are a fairly polarizing feature on this design. Some love them, some hate them. I don’t have any extreme feelings but they aren’t my favorite feature of the knife, either in color or texture. They work well enough though. 🤷♂️
for fishing and edc what u recommande cE or PE? i read that people prefer sE for cleaning a fishs' thanks
Sagi Shadadi hey there. For cleaning fish you definitely want PE. For some fishing tasks like cutting line or rope a SE can work better but overall, I probably prefer PE. Both will work great and be suitable though.
Great review Lance! Love my lc200n mule.
Hear, hear! I've given up on people who shun Aus-8 or 440C - if these are heat treated right, they are workhorse steels; same goes for 8Cr13MoV, 12C27, N690 etc. All of these won't hold an edge for very long in cardboard, but they are way tougher and easier to sharpen than the super steels.
Will that sharpener work on a fixed blade with 1/4” stock?
Emanuel Buttigieg Absolutely. You need the extra diamond rods for reprofiling (would be faster still with a low grit benchstone) but once your bevels are set you can touch up a big fixed blade just as easily as a 3” folder.
Lance Clinton thanks for the reply, buddy. I can’t wait to see what spyderco does with your design.
Lance Clinton can you please tell me what model sharpener you used? Will that be a sharpener to use for most steel? Thank you
This is secure knife brother is like it
For that edge rolling all you need is a Lc200 butchers steel for your kayak!
Yes!
Love the knife, I don't care for the bumble bee g-10 scales.
I love lc200n aka Z Finit
In the future neo primitive man will regard this as a magic knife
I only give a+if it passes shaft hair shaving test. Otherwise a
This is where the rumors started.
you must have a special model there....cause it all makes no sense at all!
wack the eel on the tail, not the head.
How’s that knife performing now ? Any signs of rust anywhere on the hardware ?
In the video he directly said that after using it hard for months that there’s no doubt it’s pretty much rust proof.
What sharpener is that ?