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00:00 - YANKERS
0:23 - Catcher framing
1:07 - WWJD?
3:19 - Yanking vs framing
4:49 - Spectrum
6:17 - The problem
8:05 - How to stop them
8:37 - SeatGeek - กีฬา
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Only catchers can call them Yankers. You have to call them Yankas.
WWJD should stand for What Would Jeff Do? As in Jeff Mathis.
The Y word pass
Lmaoooooo it took me a minute for this to register 🤣 im dead bruh
Underrated comment
Hahahaha
With a hard R damn Bailey
Babe wake up, Bailey dropped a new baseball slur
"babe" lie to yourself not us.
@@tryhardfinessedyouhe clearly is talking to Babe Ruth dude
@@tryhardfinessedyouwhy bro mad😭
@@tryhardfinessedyouit's crazy that some people aren't single their entire lives right?
baileys vocabulary is now 70% twitter memes, 30% baseball
You mean X?
@@somebodyandthem absolutely not
@@somebodyandthem you are the nerd emoji personified
Look at that subtle off-zone framing. The tasteful quietness of it. Oh my God, they even called it a strike.
Let’s see Jose Molina’s CDA.
(puts his catchers mitt on the table)
“All-Star Pro Elite, Japanese leather, black and camel finish”
Very nice, Bailey. But that's nothing. Check this out (slides mitt on the table). Rawlings Pro Preferred, CM33. And that color? That's bruciato
Haven’t seen a Georgian this mad at yanks since the 1860s
When we told em they couldn't own people anymore? That cheesed their potatoes pretty good.
Yep. Sherman's scorched earth campaign totally had nothing to do with it.@@andrewaaberg482
when bringing the jubilee comes full circle
“Oooooooh, way down south in the land of traitors!”
@@DrAnarchy69 RATTLESNAKES AND ALLIGATORS
Another reason Jose Molina is so good at framing is because he sets his body up in such a way to sell it even more. For example at at 1:20 he sets up for a fastball away pretty far off the plate. This helps him to sell the pitch because the umpire sees him receive the ball slightly to the right of his body despite still being off the plate.
Bingo, he sets his body up to make the spot he received the ball look more like the pitcher’s intended location.
I find the more nuanced approach a lot more visually appealing, and it has a better chance of being effective when your pitcher is 50/50 with his spots on the edges.
Kinda convenient that all of the clips of Jose were pitches thrown to the middle of his chest, no? And if you don’t think there’s nuance to “yanking” you just need to go watch/listen to any catcher or coach who uses that method
@@CHOOCHx51Molina didn’t really yank on those either, he would move his glove to the edge or corner of the zone
he purposefully set up so that he never moved his glove away from the zone. makes it look more like a strike if the catcher moves towards the plate to catch the pitch. esp. if you consider the alternative - setting up in the middle and then moving the glove a foot away, makes it glaringly obvious it was off the plate, sometimes even if it wasn't.
@@oldfrendthis just simply isn’t true, and the proof is that catchers who yank do get pitches off the plate and on the plate called strikes. You can set up where ever you want, if the pitcher squares up your chest that’s fine, but the catcher doesn’t control when a pitcher misses a spot. Ask or look up any catching coach and they will tell you job 1 is keep strikes as strikes, then think about expanding off the zone. Guys who do it well get strikes and expand the zone.
but have you considered: seeing a catcher move their glove 3 feet trying to frame a pitch in the dirt is funny
No. It's embarrassing for those who love the game.
@@danacoleman4007 but have you considered: whoop now my glove's over here. i really think you should consider that. personally if you were to consider that i think you might see where i'm coming from if you considered that. just for consideration.
@@danacoleman4007 Yes, its embarrassing, but not for the reasons you think. Its embarrassing for the umpires, who allegedly have eyes, to so easily be influenced by the movement of a catcher's glove instead of, you know, using their alleged eyes to look at the ball as it crosses the plate.
Umpires have always been the worst part of the game, and the sooner the league moves to robo-umps and puts the human ones out of a job, the better the game will be for it.
The simple fact that someone like Angel Hernandez still has a job is the single greatest argument against umpiring as a job, and his continued employment makes baseball measurably worse.
i love that you pantomimed framing with your right hand, canonizing left handed catchers
Same thing my mom said in the family group chat when she realized me, my brothers, and my dad all had a crippling masturbation addiction
damn that's a wild thing to say lol
Ur mom sounds hot 🥵
Goddamnit lmao.
Relatable.
yesss, this has been driving me nuts the last couple years... thank you for highlighting it. the saddest part is that it works. when we first started talking about framing, the yankers were clowned on for being absolute crap at it and now many are rewarded for this trash
It looks bad to us watching the game but as my coach told me, “these umpires r fucking stupid Yank that thing back in there it will work” and yea it does and I will tell u y. Notice how all the Yankers start their glove on the ground or really close to it when the pitch comes in we time our lift so we snag it in one fluid motion bring it to the center of our bodies. If it’s a strike down the middle we catch it later if it’s a ball low we keep going until it’s at our face mask and high pitch is catch it right at your face. Now in the front view u probably wonder how the umpire falls for that but from the back view every pitch being recived looks the same
@@jackhumbach9086 k
@@jackhumbach9086 'these umpires r fucking stupid' yeah can't argue with that.
I love getting new videos on your main channel!!
He has another channel?
@@Mada_1337 I think he posts shorts!
Hopefully ported directly from tiktok with the tiktok watermark still visible.@@ethananderson6444
8:30 Bailey has officially come out against yanking it. Never thought I’d see the day.
I think framing is the equivalent of flopping in basketball. It's a bit immoral, but the umps should see it. And maybe there should be a penalty if the umps think the catcher is trying to do it, maybe with a warning first.
I stopped watching the LLWS because the yanking was so blatant on seemingly every pitch. Wish the ump would just call an automatic ball on any pitch where the catcher mitt moves >1 foot after catching the ball.
The penalty should just be they don't get the close calls anymore. Back when I umpired little league I was not above punishing a catcher for treating me like an idiot. I rewarded the good framers and punished the blatantly bad ones. Not proud of it, but I won't apologize for it.
@@sntslilhlpr6601 I like it, and it's probably already happening.
I'm not going to lie I wasn't expecting a pretty solid Abe Simpson impression in there
cow tools
@@FoolishBailey so I tied some cow tools to my belt, which was the style at the time
Posey was also someone who rarely yanked. I used to get mad at him for not yanking on pitches out of the zone.
Bailey- you’re a better man than I for not making a Reese McGuire joke
I came in 100% expecting that joke
I've been sick of yankers for a while now too. Thank you for putting this out there, Bailey
8:27 Holy moly, what a suave reception.
When I was a kid I always loved watching José Molina catch because he was so serene and smooth when receiving.
Patrick Bailey mentioned WOOOOOOOO LETS GOOOOO
From what I understand it's not even framing these days, just moving the glove aggressively to make it harder for the ump to tell where the ball crossed in any way and basically making them 'guess'.
No, it’s still considered framing... it’s actually an art form not every catch I can do it the same as others. I used to frame the shit out of pitches
But I do agree that if the catcher catches the ball way out of the zone and then brings the glove back in that’s some BS but if he silky, smooth, glides the glove from outside as he’s catching the ball bringing it in that’s a different story
Foolish Bailey keeps hitting with these main channel vids, keep it up!
Foolish, I’m taking a sports philosophy class in college this year and today we had a long conversation about the ethics behind framing and how of the yankers we see more and more today make it pretty obvious that they’re trying to deceive the ump. Great vid as always!
Thank you! I have been thinking all of this for a long time now.
Is this the main page?
this may be your best work yet
Now hear me out for a second. If a catcher ALWAYS yanks a pitch to the middle, even if it was definitely a strike, wouldn't that make it harder for an ump to tell where he originally caught the ball? It presents a brick wall of yanking
That's exactly the idea. I always chuckle a bit when announcers describe a catcher as "really trying to give that ump a gooood look at the pitch", when in fact they're doing the exact opposite. The whole point of "yanking" is specifically to obscure the umpire's ability to see where the pitch was actually caught. So then, if all that the umps (intellectual *juggernauts* that they are🙄) can see is a mitt right in the middle of the strike zone, with no clear original location to contradict that image, they'll naturally be biased toward thinking the pitch was in the zone to begin with, even if they know it was moved to at least some extent.
As a catcher I was taught to flick the wrist after receiving the ball it’s helped steal a lot of strikes especially on the outside corner
As a Yankees fan, I was literally preparing my “give us a break” comment while this video loaded
Love this video, great main channel video
You probably want to watch this yanking in person... LMAO Top tier transition there Bailey
I like the idea of instead of total robo ump, having a certain amount of strike/ball call challenges
Mike Zunino at least while with Seattle was IMO the best at getting his guys calls he was somehow able to catch the ball while moving it into the zone all at once, I have yet to see another catcher frame the way Mike did.
When you posted the Molina catching highlights a couple weeks back I thought, “damn, look how quietly he’s catching those balls. Nothing like the “framing” people try to do nowadays”
So ty for making this video, specifically for me.
I grew up playing catcher and pitches on the edge we were always taught to stick em there as opposed to trying to pull a fast one and bring it in
love the themes on the new main channel.
I think Jose's body placement is an underrated aspect of his skill. A lot of those videos show a slight angle of his body pre-pitch which could have provided a forced perspective for the umpire where everything looks funneled into the heart of the plate.
Great video!!
it’s simple, Foolish Bailey uploads a video right before i need to go walk to class that perfectly fits the time it takes me to walk there, and i watch.
These main channel releases are so good.
effectively wild mentioned!!
i have hated this yanking style of catching. i loved just barely moving my glove but making it closer to look better for my pitchers without it being very obvious i was moving my mitt. i found that got me the most calls before i tore my labrum
Once again, another banger of a main channel video. This one slaps.
LET'S GO YANKERS 👏👏👏👏👏
I once jokingly framed a pitch that was about a foot and a half out of the zone, and the umpire called it a strike (and he meant it).
On yeah, and this was in slow pitch softball so the umpire had plenty of time to see it through the zone.
My pitcher bent over laughing it was so ridiculous!
If the most obvious framers weren't also the ones getting the most calls this would not be an issues. Can't wait for auto ball/strike or challenge system
Came to this late but this reminds me of something my dad always says. He's a HS basketball coach and he talks a lot about "fake hustle" when players dive and reach for passes that are nothing they can even get close to. Yanking to me is the catcher version of fake hustle
6:07 when you get the new Foolish video notification
Kirk is one of the best of best in framing today. LETS GO BLUE JAYS!
Love the comparison of Molina’s framing subtlety as “cinema”
I've discovered Austin Hedges offensive problem ... he's swinging at the pitches in the location where they've been yanked to, regardless of the location where the pitch actually was.
This is why we need the challenge system ASAP
I remember some umps growing up would just call it a ball, regardless of it being a strike or not, if they caught the catcher with a bad frame job.
Thank you for this. Have been losing my mind for years now about this. You are 1000% correct.
So what you're saying its about small movements at the edge, edging if you will, rather than yanking? Thanks bailey love all these new terms!
0:46 10/10 chair spin
That yank at 7:05 is absurd 💀
Patrick Bailey (Patty Barrels) mentioned 🫵😲
something interesting might be to see if subtle framers lose more ball-strike calls on pitches in the zone. every umpire knows every catcher is framing, so i wouldn’t be surprised if subtle framers are losing calls on pitches on the edge of the zone that are actually strikes at a rate higher than average, due to umpires being excessively wary of any pitch received on the edge of the zone. i have no idea if there is any statistical backing to this and im not entirely sure how to get that data, but i think it makes sense in my head
Molina's receiving is silky smooth.
What about anti framing when robo umps come out? When a pitch is a strike yank it so that it seems like a ball so the hitter challenges
That’s some good video right there
You are playing with fire Bailey 🫣
robot umps are honestly needed because of the amount of games that are ruined by bad umpires. especially when even the catchers are surprised when they get strikes from pitches nowhere near the zone. sure you can call it "a skill", but most of the time its just a old guy behind the plate who needs to get his eyes checked or just retire from umpiring. The Jeff Mathis' of the MLB can still exist, but they're more impressive when calling a great game behind the plate with their pitcher throwing runners out or just controlling the game
My problem with pitch framing is that it has become the only skill important to catchers and has led to the one knee stance. I firmly believe that at the end of the day most catchers are losing more on passed balls and wild pitches more than they're wining from framing with this new stance.
This is a great video.
I mean, the real culprit here is poor strike zone training/judgement from the umpires, who incentivize gratuitous yanking (that felt weird to type somehow).
Might I recommend Travis D’Arnaud as a quiet, respectable framer. Its usually both very loud and he’s been getting mostly positive framing metrics with TB/ATL
What I love about the Molinas is that all three of them were really good at something. Yadi was great at handling pitchers and recieving. Jose was a great framer and an extremely reliable backup. Bengie was a good gap/doubles hitter and could be counted to come through for you at the plate while still being a very solid defensive catcher.
4:27 another Bobby Wilson success
This video perfectly says what I've been thinking for so long but didn't know how to describe. Yankers are so frustrating to watch, and it's even more frustrating when umpires fall for it
When Bailey posts on his main channel it makes my day
At first I was going to say I disagree with your opinion on “yankers”. However, once I saw how smooth Molina was, I understand your point completely
As a high school umpire, I always tell the catchers that if they move their glove 6+ inches then THEY don't think it's a strike, so I WON'T call it a strike. Amazing how fewer Yankers there are in the area I umpire.
Love the video
Love you for this video Bailey. I’m not sure how many people consider framing as one of the prime reason umpires make these terrible calls. These umps gotta stop rewarding shitty frames.
Finally someone says this! With all the frivolous rule changes of the last few years, why haven't they banned framing?
i fkn love this guys content because yeah im generally aware of framing as a concept, but Bailey always has those phenomenal examples of WHY catchers frame pitches, WHO is someone thats known as an excellent framing catcher, and HOW good framing so impactful even getting so deep as to SHOULD we be framing pitches at all? Love seeing your stuff in the sub box man its always a treat
Thanks!
I've been umpiring 33 years and I've already made the call when the ball crosses the front of the plate - I don't even look at the glove or the catcher's setup. Before every pitch, I look at the plate and then look at the pitch being delivered. If a catcher is a framer (or a yanker) I don't even know it.
Your brain is always collecting an unbelievable amount of data points at all times, it has at least a small effect on you subconsciously.
@@mattforbes221 I don't even look at the glove. I am also a player, and players know immediately whether the pitch is a strike or not.
As a plate umpire, I will less likely call a pitch yanked a strike just because it does look like you are pulling a ball up to 12" outside into the zone. Receive it with the glove parallel to the ground and you will get far more calls than not when on or around the edges.
This video title really yanked my chain
I have seen some strikes that were called balls because the catcher pulled a yankeroo, but it definitely is advantageous or we wouldn't be seeing everybody do it
I’m just a 44 year old adult baseball league catcher and I take great pride in knowing that if stealing strikes is a crime I would be buried under the next prison. It’s an art and skill.
Need more Patrick Bailey content on Foolish Bailey
Jose truly understands that your entire body is attached to your catching arm
I will always love Hedges as he was a part of my beloved 2023 Champion Rangers, but I agree with the overall point in the video so much that I'm willing to let it slide.
“Is it ethical to gaslight these umpires?”
Damnit, dude. 😂
Catcher framing is a garbage stat that only mattered when umpires didn't have computers that were able to track every pitch and provide near instantaneous, concrete feedback. Before the days of Pitch f/x, it made way more sense to believe catchers influenced the umpire because umpires were more concerned with calling a consistent strike zone while avoiding egregiously bad calls. If a catcher was moving significantly to catch a ball or stop a pitch, it seems way less likely that the umpire would go out on a limb to call a strike. Similarly, an umpire would be more likely to call a pitch a strike if the catcher didn't need to move as much from where they set up because catchers tend to set up near the strike zone.
Once you get to pitch f/x and, later, Hawkeye cameras tracking everything, you see umpire strike zone accuracy sky rocket. Most of the pitches that catchers are being credited with "stealing" are in or near the umpire's margin of error for the strike zone. A catcher who can hit is way more likely to improve team outcomes compared to a "good" framer. Good defensive catchers are still valuable, but catcher framing is no longer a valuable skill to consider for defensive value.
What if they gave replay on strikes for batters? Like the robo ump is always there but the batter gets a challenge once per at bat (which repeats if batter is correct)
They're testing a challenge system in AAA. Three challenges per team, only the batter, pitcher, or catcher can challenge (you keep your challenge if you're correct).
I think the flaw in the argument is the laziness of umpires and fans. Umpires for relying on the yank to make the call easier and tv watching fans for not realizing the box isn’t always on point.
Holy shit Patrick Bailey mentioned lets go
I don’t like fully automated ball/strike but maybe allow 1-3 pitch challenges a game that use the auto zone
Yeah they're testing an ABS challenge system in AAA. You get three challenges and keep your challenge if you get it right
Can't wait for the Foolish Bailey Furries Video to be honored as a cinematic masterpiece at the Oscars
PATRICK BAILEY MENTIONED, INSTANT LIKE (I had already liked the video by the time he was mentioned)
wow a main channel video
Idk whats more annoying; the yankers or the catchers who freeze their glove in the strike zone after every single pitch for 2 secs trying to will the strike call out of the ump.
Them first 30 seconds well explain 😭😭
Giants actually have a drill for their catchers to keep them from making big motions when framing
Making it look like the pitcher hit his spot is probably more important than the frame. A lot of the strike calls that people go up in arms over are pitches where the pitcher missed the spot by a country mile and the catcher had to do evasive maneuvers to catch the ball (imo these are acceptable calls cause missing your spot=bad). Making it always look like the pitcher hit his spot with the subtle frame is beautiful.
nice walk-in intro
damn, never been this early to a Bailey video
Terrific video! I am in complete agreement with every opinion you stated!
This is the baseball version of jumping into the defender in basketball. People do it because it works. If the umps/refs stopped allowing it, they would stop doing it.
The NBA did seem to stop rewarding it for a while, and the difference was obvious, but it didn't last much to my dismay.