I think the “Shut Up Kiss” can ONLY work if neither party is upset and it’s written well. For example, a lovable dumbass rambling during a romantically charged moment being shut up by the exasperated partner grabbing and kissing them is great
There's a good one with Brainie and Nia on Supergirl. The two deciding factors are: one, she's his girlfriend, so he knows he's allowed to kiss her; two, she's not angry, but in a downward spiral of self-doubt and needing to be stopped
I think it can work if the girl does the kiss. I wrote one scene like this, when my MC is on a date, he knows the woman is attracted to him, but he banters about various things. Then at some point she just gets tired and kisses him, says "shut up" and kisses him again.
@@ludovico6890 Yes. A lot of romance tropes look way less creepy for a female character because the power dynamic feels more balanced if she's the one taking control
Jenna going on about the tongue battle was some of the most asexual shit I've ever heard in my life, lmfao that was almost word for word my exact thoughts whenever I read those scenes in books.
@@emmas.m I just read that exact phrase in a highly rated WattPad novel last night. Her story is overall pretty good but she did mention “orbs” (pointed out by her readers) and “tongues battled for dominance” (that one didn’t get pointed out). I had just watched another vid on writing kissing scenes well and just LMAO’d in the middle of what was supposed to be an intense scene.
A possessive kiss is probably supposed to be the one hand on their neck pulling them closer, whispering "you're mine, baby" kind of kiss, which can be really hot when that dynamic is previously established. Just using the word possessive to describe that is still lazy and boring though
Pretty much. It's a "he's got his arms tight around her" kind of thing. There's nothing wrong with the scene, it just goes to show be careful with wording.
@@chilling_koala Not really? If you see it as a red flag then that's a you thing. People have different preferences, especially when it comes to their significant other.
My abusive ex was the literal trope of tasted like cigarettes and coffee when we kissed and it was horrid. Trust me, it's fucking disgusting. I avoid that trope with my life. 😭
I actually read a YA novel where they used it as a bad thing. The FMC had a second guy interested in her besides the main love interest and tried going out with him once. He kissed her when she wasn't really into it and he tasted like cigarette ash, so it only helped contribute to her deciding ABSOLUTELY NOT.
@@Caldella Yes it can definitely work, just not as a romantic scene, unless you want to make your characters unsympathetic. Could work for villains: head of mafia group kissing his mistress and she enjoys the taste of old cigarettes and coffee in his breath. You know these guys are as sick as they are evil.
My ex smoked but pretended he was quitting (we were 15, he told me what he thought I wanted to hear) so he always tasted of this awful blackcurrant chewing gum with cigarette underneath.
Thanks so much for mentioning the "Shut Up Kiss." It's usually framed as romantic, when one party interrupts the other's rambling to show that they understand their point, but it just feels so awkward and non consensual. Also, it would rarely work as smoothly in real life.
As someone who sometimes wishes someone would shut up their rambling, maybe it might work if the kisser *knows* the other enough to notice they're nervous and don't really know how to stop talking and just getting more and more tangled up in what they're saying? With a little, short moment for nonverbal consent? I have zero experience with kissing though, not lucky with relationships. :D
"I don't know if the writers just haven't been kissed before..." well seeing as I'm a socially awkward teen who can't string 2 sentences together around people I like that sounds about right.
My first kiss was back in August (I’m 25) and it was, uhhh, not a “real” kiss in my opinion 😂😂 the guy (I work with his mom & sister) went straight into making out, and continued, even when I told him he was my first kiss. No slowing down for him 😂 he was wanting to hook up, but I wasn’t. So even though “technically” he was my first kiss and makeout, I don’t even count it as a kiss because it wasn’t slow, nor did he ease into it. I didn’t know what I was doing either
I made the mistake of listening to this at work and started uncontrollably giggling at “does the one tongue have to pay taxes to the other tongue” send help
I’ve only seen the ‘shut up’ kiss done right. When two awkward doofuses were trying to confess that they wanted to date one another. The MC who did it basically thought after a moment ‘it was kinda unsexy and probably rude’ he broke it, apologized and then asked for another kiss. It was cute. Never seen it done right before or since.
I dated a woman for a little while who was really into the shut-up kiss. Trouble was, she didn't tell me that's what she wanted me to do. She would just go on these long monologs and then get super frustrated when I didn't kiss her. When I finally figured out what she wanted, it was really uncomfortable and awkward. That relationship didn't last very long.
as an avid fanfiction reader, omg these things bother me so much. more to add to the list that I see ALL THE TIME: when they describe the teeth clinking together, like is that not painful? usually the teeth clinking comes right after the "they slammed their lips together" line, and it's just, how is that not painful? Or when the author describes the drool between the two characters, especially when they're like "their faces separated but were connected by a line of saliva" like I'm sorry that's not sexy that's gross (or one time I read one where the other character *licked* the saliva off, I wanted to hurl) and the shut up kiss one really pisses me off, I've seen some where it can be done well (like stories where there's been previously established consent that they can kiss the other person any time, and neither of the characters are mad, maybe one is just a rambling doofus who got kissed to snap out of it or something) but like 99% of the time I've seen it, it's the nonconsensual angry type where the character is just bored or annoyed at the other one talking, it's so bad
As an avid fanfiction reader, I have been cursed with a string of "He licked into his mouth" and that is one of the reason I clicked this video lol IDK what it is about the current fandom I am reading but it has happened every 1 in 4 of the fics I have read that had kissing
#7 is literally shown in Avatar:The Last Airbender. Katara was talking about how confused she was and Aang kissed her randomly then she moved away like "Yo wtf"
@@amirahmercedes-bence4627 did we watch the same show??? because the Avatar I remember watching had MANY hints that Katara liked Aang back, and just because she refused a kiss during a bad moment it doesn't mean she doesn't like him at all.. 🤨
I've never understood the fascination with describing how a kiss tastes like. In my opinion, I would be too focused on other things to remember much about how the other person tasted.
Really? I do notice the taste. It generally has nothing to do with food, but rather is the person's own flavour. For example, my first girlfriend tasted like honey
It depends on if it tastes expecially good or bad for me. Smoker's breath... ewww.... But if they've chewed some expecially flavorful gum, the minty or fruity favor is appricated.
The cigarette taste fetish is common among people who had their first kisses with a smoker. You end up associating the taste with your first sexual contacts, and then BLAM gross fetish for life.
Point 3: My husband actually does flick his tongue into my mouth sometimes when I go to kiss him. He does it to get a reaction from me and because he thinks it's hilarious when he gets whacked for it. Neither of us think it's romantic or even pleasant, it's weird. And although weird can be fun if everyone is good humoured about it, tongue flicking is taken very seriously when it appears in romantic fiction and it's frickin' weird (in the bad way) to read. Writers who must write tongue flicking should consider subverting the trope by making it into a joke.
I think there’s levels to the possessive kiss, some are nice. Some are unacceptable. “She’s mine, he thought as he pulled her into his arms” can be cute. Or even the “he needed her to know everything he felt for her. She was his, and he was hers, and he needed her to feel it.” That possessive, you’re mine, when thought in a romantic context (not a creepy haha caught u context😂) can be 👌🏻👌🏻 hot BUT “he wanted to claim every inch of her, brand her as his own so no one else would…” doesn’t matter how the sentence ends. “Brand her as his own” literally never hot. Ew. Get out of here with that creepy shit. Fuck no.
I heard a horror story from a friend of a friend, apparently her ex-boyfriend would piston his tongue back-and-forth into her mouth. that’s one of the least sexy ways to kiss I think I’ve ever heard of
The “talking close to the other person’s face without kissing” thing does happen in my experience, but not in the way it usually is in books and movies. It’s more like you meet somebody at a bar, it’s super loud and you want to get to know them, so you talk really really close so that you can actually hear each other. The closeness is so you can hear them, not necessarily because you’re ready to kiss them yet. And it’s more like yelling than that weird whispering stuff you see in stories because the main point is being able to hear them, lol.
I feel terrible cus I almost feel challenged now to write the most awful flavour combo I can think of, or maybe several, and use those in a story XD Banana Mint anyone? Sadly this is from experience... and yes, it was very gross, just not a kiss, thank god, that would have been worse.
Tongues battling for dominance is probably one of the most overused fanfiction phrases xD And I'm a former fanfiction writer but I'm not recalling ever using it myself since, yeah, sounds weird the more you think about it TvT
Feeling VERY attacked by #1! 😂 I do whisper while looking at a lover in the eyes with our mouths milimeters apart all the time! Some of the most intense and memorable conversations from my relationships happened exactly like this. (Also, yes. I'm one of the weirdos who like cigarette taste on other people's mouths and yes, no shame. 😅)
The only times I ever gave a pass on the taste of a kiss would be if the description of mint or fruit was described in the kiss. Because coffee is not an appealing breath smell. Trust me, I drink so much coffee.
I do think that first type of 'no kiss' kiss scene can make sense if say they are jammed close together in a closet, or like crowded together in a very loud night club attempting to look like a romantic couple or something to that effect.
I honestly have a pet peeve of #10, but I add something like "His heart leaped as his face felt hot." I like to just mention that its happening but I like to add that there's a reaction to it. No one just kisses and moves on with their day. There is some emotional stuff there as well.
I have only ever read the dominance and clashing kiss descriptions. I never pictured the sentient tongues but I had always wondered if teeth bashing was enjoyable (up until I actually had my first kiss and realized there was no actual clashing or smashing of the mouth area).
Regard coffee and cigarette kisses- instantly Sideshow Bob's line to Selma 'kissing you was like kissing some divine ash tray' came to mind. Hilarious descriptions in this one!
I grew up with the "tongue battled for dominance" via fanfics. It had made sense to me since all I shipped was rivals. xD I always just imagined two tongues wrestling to decide who's gonna top. But, I generally try not to imagine any kissing scenes too much. It quickly becomes gross for me otherwise.
God the tongue battle and mouth slamming is pure fanfiction writing lmao those two points unlocked some memories of horrid fanfic I’ve read and written
Well, this list has rubbed in my face just how little romance I have read over the course of my life. And as an aromantic asexual, I'm not particularly inclined to remedy that.
With the two mouths slamming together, I saw it once played for laughs. Like, both were so eager the kiss bombed. But it was funny for both of them. They then kissed each other more gently.
i couldnt stop laughing at this one. great video! lucky for me, the other two people of the dynamic writing trio i'm part of writes all the kiss scenes, and thankfully, they avoid every one of these tropes
Oh God, I had that "giant mouth" kiss thing...but I was like 20!!! Ew. It was gross. I'm convinced I could have had a better kiss from a literal walrus. I must confess I did number 10 once...because it was a writing challenge, and I ran out of words. My friend called me much worst when she read it. 😂
I did the tongue thing at first when I was first starting writing😂😂 I don't now and it definitely wasn't like they where really*fighting* but the way she described it is halarious 😂
One thing I've been seeing recently that I absolutely despise is when character A has absolutely messed up, is failing in their apology and decides to suddenly kiss character B as a fucked-up love confession. Often done as a 'Shut Up Kiss' as well, of course. And character B doesn't punch them in the face. Why.
I feel like the shut up kiss can be soooooo good, but in such specific circumstances? Like, established relationship, or established that they're both interested, just waiting a bit more, so it's not just some A assulting B at random. The anger/panic/excitement/whatever that has B rambling shouldn't be caused by A, at least not directly. Could be like A was attacked/insulted, and B is upset on their behalf? And A is touched, but does NOT want to retaliate, and tries to stop B, and then tell B they're used to it happening? Or B panicking, and A kissing them to get them out of a downward spiral? They're sneaking around/hiding somewhere, B gets either scared and panicky, or cocky and brags that it's going well, and A shuts them up so they don't get caught? I think I read a scene in a fanfic where they were in a secret relationship because A is afraid to come out/unsure of their identity, while B would have been perfectly ok with it. Later on when they get caught, B immediately tries to deny it for A's sake, but A has come to accept it/feels ready, and kisses B publicly, stopping their bs excuses and admitting their relationship. That was cute?
oh yes in specific ones it can be good. I think the first one I ever saw something like this was in a justice league animated show between batman and wonder woman when I was 10 😭 it wasn't to 'shut up' tho it was to make the ppl looking for them not see their faces to keep their cover but they also did both like eachother but BATMAN would not rlly admit that out loud OMG that was my first ship tbh i pretended they were my parents 😭😭
10:22 this gave me a flashback to this red robins my family and I went to when I was a little kid and I hated sitting in this one portion of the resturant because there was a pop art painting of a man and a woman, but it looks like the man is eating her face. My parents kept saying "no they're kissing" but I call bull. Cannibalism at its finest
I find that lots of scenes of intimacy (be it kissing or sex) has characters that seem so *into* they seem really angry, like growling and lunging and crashing lips and battling tongues. Never experienced it so maybe I'm wrong, but surely kissing or sexing someone doesn't make you feel cross?
I suspect those writers were trying (badly) to describe what you might call 'hard' kissing, i.e. when two people are so passionate for each other they almost literally can't control their ardour and so the kissing is urgent, hungry, maybe a little bit rough. There are all sorts of kisses, after all; not all of them are tender. And it's certainly more than possible for two consenting adults to have rough or aggressive sex without it being abusive - indeed, many couples like it best that way! :-) My guess is that's what the writers are aiming for, but aren't skilled enough to get the nuances right and just end up making their characters seem angry instead.
While I haven't written many kiss scenes, I do believe that less is more when describing them. I don't even describe the kiss at all. I just describe little things that happen before and after the kiss. For example, if the couple was sitting side by side when they kissed, the girl would rest her head on the guy's shoulder afterwards. Or if they were facing one another, they would hug afterwards. Simple stuff like that.
Number 8 was my first experience with kissing… I was 19, he was 21. I felt like he was literally eating my face. I actually checked my face for teeth marks afterwards because he was basically biting me and shoving his tongue down my throat.
Did you know the "their tongues battled for domanance" thing can be traced back to a Drary mpreg (maybe omegaverse its slipping my mind rn) fic from like 2002? The more you know
Most of these points can actually work within proper context. The shut and kiss for example. Within context where a man or woman is rambling after they have already kissed and one character is rambling about their emotions and actually saying they are into the other character. The shut up and kiss works. In context and with thoughtful writing, and hear tropes can work.
I am ABSOLUTELY gonna end up writing a book where I use "plundered her mouth" completely unironically. Maybe an evil tooth fairy, maybe a serial killer who has a teeth kink, or a mugger with dentistry tools to steal a golden tooth
as someone who had the "shut up kiss", on the cheek. the recipient has to be gullible enough, overly infatuated with the person performing the kiss, and inexperienced at romance to get that "stunned" effect. Infatuation is key to making sure the recipient doesn't use her common sense. It only works for teenagers lol
I love the heavy breathing... if it comes right before a passionate kiss. If there is no kiss at the end of this breathing (and by god, you better have fresh breath if you're all up in my face) then WTF are you doing in my face, bro?!
Love to watch these to make sure the romance/adventure story I’m writing doesn’t have any bad tropes and I’m developing my characters well and if I am I’m able to fix it
I do confess, I have used the 'mouths crashed together' multiple times, but usually in a more aggressive character, the shy ones or more moderate type characters never do that. I think this trope is supposed to be illustrating a sort of intense passion that isn't meant to be literal crashing? That's how I've always interpreted it anyways... But this vid had me giggling a lot, as I get some of these bad descripts are and unfortunately end up in books that get made into movies... that are just as bad. lol.
I wake up most days and choose violence, if a man ever kissed me to "shut me up" that's a great way to get punched in the rib. And I'm short, so that punch would land just under the armpit.
Ok, worst literary kiss ever. There is a Dean Koontz book called “From the Corner of His Eye” where a man kills his wife by pushing her off a high place. As she is dying, he kisses her and the author specially mentions that he used no tongue in his kiss… really.
I don't think it's a matter of being a kiss-virgin, as even before having my first kiss a couple weeks ago at age 22 I also hated reading/writing these tropes
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Worst kiss I've ever read was from the most painful story I've ever read. First of all, the guy thought she was sleeping and it was just after she'd broken up with someone else. But there's a twist! She was only pretending to sleep, and gets herself in this situation often: she finds someone to pretend to date for a week before breaking up, each time looking forward to being consoled by this guy in such a way.
Well, the shut up kiss is kinda cute. I have a thing with my girlfriend when she loses the track of what I'm talking about or I get lost in my rambleing (wich is quite often) she kisses me to snap me out of it
Most of my experience with the shut up kiss is in a love confession situation. The confessing party barely manages to stammer out their confession and immediately start babbling how it’s ok if the other person doesn’t like them back when said party admits to liking them back by kissing them.
I just don't write kiss scenes and I don't read them either. Doesn't matter if it's well written or poorly written, it makes me go "bleh" either way. I'd prefer reading slapping scenes tbh. Sometimes those are funny. 🤷♀️
🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Well I'm glad somebody said all this because half the time I read a kiss scene and I wonder if I need to prepare myself to say Yikes 😬 or OH HELL NO 🙄
Listen, I ain't ever been in a relationship in my life but I have witnessed many couples in my life just kiss normally and have read plenty of fanfiction to understand these tropes to the point where I just make my kiss scenes simple like "he/she/they kisses their lover gently/softly on the lips" and or if I want to mix up the words, i use the usual "pressing lips" thing
I think the “Shut Up Kiss” can ONLY work if neither party is upset and it’s written well. For example, a lovable dumbass rambling during a romantically charged moment being shut up by the exasperated partner grabbing and kissing them is great
There's a good one with Brainie and Nia on Supergirl. The two deciding factors are: one, she's his girlfriend, so he knows he's allowed to kiss her; two, she's not angry, but in a downward spiral of self-doubt and needing to be stopped
Yes that's the exact kinda situation I thought of when I saw "shut up kiss"
I think it can work if the girl does the kiss. I wrote one scene like this, when my MC is on a date, he knows the woman is attracted to him, but he banters about various things. Then at some point she just gets tired and kisses him, says "shut up" and kisses him again.
@@ludovico6890 Yes. A lot of romance tropes look way less creepy for a female character because the power dynamic feels more balanced if she's the one taking control
@@taylor_green_9 Yes and many men finds women who are romantically assertive sexy. If nothing else, it's flattering.
"His kiss was slow and unyielding, like an old man backing his Lincoln town car over a parking sign." Best description I've ever read! 😆
Ok, that's just straight genius.
Jenna going on about the tongue battle was some of the most asexual shit I've ever heard in my life, lmfao that was almost word for word my exact thoughts whenever I read those scenes in books.
LOLOL we get each other 🤣
"tongues battling for dominance" gives me war flasbacks
Me too 😂
@@emmas.m I just read that exact phrase in a highly rated WattPad novel last night. Her story is overall pretty good but she did mention “orbs” (pointed out by her readers) and “tongues battled for dominance” (that one didn’t get pointed out). I had just watched another vid on writing kissing scenes well and just LMAO’d in the middle of what was supposed to be an intense scene.
"It's not sexy to turn affection into an act of violence". Say it louder for the people at the back!
The slamming was something that these writers obviously learned from making Barbie and Ken do it as a kid.
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A possessive kiss is probably supposed to be the one hand on their neck pulling them closer, whispering "you're mine, baby" kind of kiss, which can be really hot when that dynamic is previously established. Just using the word possessive to describe that is still lazy and boring though
Pretty much. It's a "he's got his arms tight around her" kind of thing. There's nothing wrong with the scene, it just goes to show be careful with wording.
agree
''You're mine, baby'' is a red flag as well. We are people, not territory
@@chilling_koala Not really? If you see it as a red flag then that's a you thing. People have different preferences, especially when it comes to their significant other.
Agree! And what you wrote sounds so much better! Plus I think it leaves too much to interpretation.
The worst, by far, was reading a kiss scene where they described the drool between them afterwards. 🤢
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?! omg I shouldn't be surprised... and yet.... 🤢
@@JennaMoreci I honestly wish I was joking.
Oh ew, nope
They put that crap in anime too. Except you're not reading it, you're FREAKING seeing it! Disgusting!
@@jocelyncordeiro4870 eeew. Why? That's not sexy!
I read a kiss that the teeth clicked together because the kiss was “passionate.” Just sounds painful
It IS painful. As someone who this has hapoened to, both parties end up pulling back and rithing in pain for a few seconds.
I read a kiss that the girl could know that the guy ate a burrito before kissing her
@@maxgr540gross 😂
My abusive ex was the literal trope of tasted like cigarettes and coffee when we kissed and it was horrid. Trust me, it's fucking disgusting. I avoid that trope with my life. 😭
I feel your pain. A long, long time ago I kissed a woman who tasted like an ashtray. My only excuse: sheer desperation.
I actually broke up with a guy because of cigarette breath. If I can't kiss a person with out cringing it's an absolute no.
I actually read a YA novel where they used it as a bad thing. The FMC had a second guy interested in her besides the main love interest and tried going out with him once. He kissed her when she wasn't really into it and he tasted like cigarette ash, so it only helped contribute to her deciding ABSOLUTELY NOT.
@@Caldella Yes it can definitely work, just not as a romantic scene, unless you want to make your characters unsympathetic. Could work for villains: head of mafia group kissing his mistress and she enjoys the taste of old cigarettes and coffee in his breath. You know these guys are as sick as they are evil.
My ex smoked but pretended he was quitting (we were 15, he told me what he thought I wanted to hear) so he always tasted of this awful blackcurrant chewing gum with cigarette underneath.
Thanks so much for mentioning the "Shut Up Kiss." It's usually framed as romantic, when one party interrupts the other's rambling to show that they understand their point, but it just feels so awkward and non consensual. Also, it would rarely work as smoothly in real life.
As someone who sometimes wishes someone would shut up their rambling, maybe it might work if the kisser *knows* the other enough to notice they're nervous and don't really know how to stop talking and just getting more and more tangled up in what they're saying? With a little, short moment for nonverbal consent? I have zero experience with kissing though, not lucky with relationships. :D
"I don't know if the writers just haven't been kissed before..." well seeing as I'm a socially awkward teen who can't string 2 sentences together around people I like that sounds about right.
Lol same
I want to write a kiss, but I never had one before. So I'm hoping this one will help me to avoid any terrible tropes in my stories
My first kiss was back in August (I’m 25) and it was, uhhh, not a “real” kiss in my opinion 😂😂 the guy (I work with his mom & sister) went straight into making out, and continued, even when I told him he was my first kiss. No slowing down for him 😂 he was wanting to hook up, but I wasn’t. So even though “technically” he was my first kiss and makeout, I don’t even count it as a kiss because it wasn’t slow, nor did he ease into it. I didn’t know what I was doing either
Kissing someone who’s angry to shut them up is basically the fictional equivalent of telling your SO to “Calm down.”
Ah yes. The Death Wish.
I made the mistake of listening to this at work and started uncontrollably giggling at “does the one tongue have to pay taxes to the other tongue” send help
"It's not coming. And neither are the characters" line BLEW me away! XD Hahahahha!
I’ve only seen the ‘shut up’ kiss done right. When two awkward doofuses were trying to confess that they wanted to date one another. The MC who did it basically thought after a moment ‘it was kinda unsexy and probably rude’ he broke it, apologized and then asked for another kiss. It was cute. Never seen it done right before or since.
I dated a woman for a little while who was really into the shut-up kiss. Trouble was, she didn't tell me that's what she wanted me to do. She would just go on these long monologs and then get super frustrated when I didn't kiss her. When I finally figured out what she wanted, it was really uncomfortable and awkward. That relationship didn't last very long.
I can’t even imagine that, this might be a bullet dodged honestly.
Ah, the partner who expects you to just telepathically know what they're into. I've heard many horror stories about those.
as an avid fanfiction reader, omg these things bother me so much. more to add to the list that I see ALL THE TIME: when they describe the teeth clinking together, like is that not painful? usually the teeth clinking comes right after the "they slammed their lips together" line, and it's just, how is that not painful? Or when the author describes the drool between the two characters, especially when they're like "their faces separated but were connected by a line of saliva" like I'm sorry that's not sexy that's gross (or one time I read one where the other character *licked* the saliva off, I wanted to hurl)
and the shut up kiss one really pisses me off, I've seen some where it can be done well (like stories where there's been previously established consent that they can kiss the other person any time, and neither of the characters are mad, maybe one is just a rambling doofus who got kissed to snap out of it or something) but like 99% of the time I've seen it, it's the nonconsensual angry type where the character is just bored or annoyed at the other one talking, it's so bad
I felt gross just reading this DX
In short: Yes, absolutely. I have nothing to add, you described it perfectly.
As an avid fanfiction reader, I have been cursed with a string of "He licked into his mouth" and that is one of the reason I clicked this video lol
IDK what it is about the current fandom I am reading but it has happened every 1 in 4 of the fics I have read that had kissing
#7 is literally shown in Avatar:The Last Airbender. Katara was talking about how confused she was and Aang kissed her randomly then she moved away like "Yo wtf"
Which is why I wonder why they got together. 😅 she was not attracted to Aang - and they were 12 and 14 🤦🏾♀️
This reminded me of how forced that relationship was ouch
I watched that show like 3 times. I love that show but seriously, that scene was like the Skyler Happy Birthday scene in Breaking Bad
Yeah, but it wasn't framed in a positive/romantic way so #7 doesn't actually apply to it.
@@amirahmercedes-bence4627 did we watch the same show???
because the Avatar I remember watching had MANY hints that Katara liked Aang back, and just because she refused a kiss during a bad moment it doesn't mean she doesn't like him at all.. 🤨
I've never understood the fascination with describing how a kiss tastes like. In my opinion, I would be too focused on other things to remember much about how the other person tasted.
Really? I do notice the taste. It generally has nothing to do with food, but rather is the person's own flavour. For example, my first girlfriend tasted like honey
It depends on if it tastes expecially good or bad for me. Smoker's breath... ewww.... But if they've chewed some expecially flavorful gum, the minty or fruity favor is appricated.
@@taylor_green_9 Can't relate. (unless the taste is gross)
@@taylor_green_9 you didnt need to tell us how your first girlfriend "tasted"
@@taylor_green_9 Then she probably ate honey
The cigarette taste fetish is common among people who had their first kisses with a smoker. You end up associating the taste with your first sexual contacts, and then BLAM gross fetish for life.
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Point 3: My husband actually does flick his tongue into my mouth sometimes when I go to kiss him. He does it to get a reaction from me and because he thinks it's hilarious when he gets whacked for it. Neither of us think it's romantic or even pleasant, it's weird. And although weird can be fun if everyone is good humoured about it, tongue flicking is taken very seriously when it appears in romantic fiction and it's frickin' weird (in the bad way) to read. Writers who must write tongue flicking should consider subverting the trope by making it into a joke.
I'm literally writing a kiss scene right now-
I swear you and Abbie are mind readers-
Who's Abby?
@@kimifw58 Abbie, sorry. Abbie Emmons is another author on TH-cam that I watch
@@Moonlit-Demon I'll check her out. Thank you.
I think there’s levels to the possessive kiss, some are nice. Some are unacceptable.
“She’s mine, he thought as he pulled her into his arms” can be cute. Or even the “he needed her to know everything he felt for her. She was his, and he was hers, and he needed her to feel it.” That possessive, you’re mine, when thought in a romantic context (not a creepy haha caught u context😂) can be 👌🏻👌🏻 hot
BUT “he wanted to claim every inch of her, brand her as his own so no one else would…” doesn’t matter how the sentence ends. “Brand her as his own” literally never hot. Ew. Get out of here with that creepy shit. Fuck no.
I've witnessed the "talking to someone's mouth" thing before. BUT! it was not for romance it was for control & manipulation.
Once kissed a guy who flicked his tongue. It was like making out with a wet sledgehammer. Never again.
I heard a horror story from a friend of a friend, apparently her ex-boyfriend would piston his tongue back-and-forth into her mouth. that’s one of the least sexy ways to kiss I think I’ve ever heard of
The HHHHH into the mic and the blelelelele absolutely sent me 😭
I'm a performance artist 🤣
I snorted SO hard XD every.single.time.
@@JennaMoreci yes you are 😂😂
I was… eating my cereal. Managed to not projectile milk everywhere or choke on it surprisingly.
@@dogo9012 I spat out my tea lol. you can tell I'm British
Just imagine all that tension and anticipation and then one of the characters: "Please, kiss me. I swear you won't regret it, please."
The “talking close to the other person’s face without kissing” thing does happen in my experience, but not in the way it usually is in books and movies. It’s more like you meet somebody at a bar, it’s super loud and you want to get to know them, so you talk really really close so that you can actually hear each other. The closeness is so you can hear them, not necessarily because you’re ready to kiss them yet. And it’s more like yelling than that weird whispering stuff you see in stories because the main point is being able to hear them, lol.
I feel terrible cus I almost feel challenged now to write the most awful flavour combo I can think of, or maybe several, and use those in a story XD
Banana Mint anyone? Sadly this is from experience... and yes, it was very gross, just not a kiss, thank god, that would have been worse.
Rookie! Try anchovies and smores.
If we're talking about actual flavors I've got nothing
Morning breath with a hint of bile tho
@@localbastard "I've got nothing" and then you write my biggest fear.
May I suggest….
Orange juice and mint toothpaste
Oh my gosh, I made this comment before I watched the rest of the video, sorry
Tongues battling for dominance is probably one of the most overused fanfiction phrases xD And I'm a former fanfiction writer but I'm not recalling ever using it myself since, yeah, sounds weird the more you think about it TvT
Feeling VERY attacked by #1! 😂 I do whisper while looking at a lover in the eyes with our mouths milimeters apart all the time! Some of the most intense and memorable conversations from my relationships happened exactly like this.
(Also, yes. I'm one of the weirdos who like cigarette taste on other people's mouths and yes, no shame. 😅)
The only times I ever gave a pass on the taste of a kiss would be if the description of mint or fruit was described in the kiss. Because coffee is not an appealing breath smell. Trust me, I drink so much coffee.
I do think that first type of 'no kiss' kiss scene can make sense if say they are jammed close together in a closet, or like crowded together in a very loud night club attempting to look like a romantic couple or something to that effect.
I honestly have a pet peeve of #10, but I add something like "His heart leaped as his face felt hot." I like to just mention that its happening but I like to add that there's a reaction to it. No one just kisses and moves on with their day. There is some emotional stuff there as well.
Sometimes, I just want to write a scene/story that plays some of these tropes for comedy by showing how ridiculous they are.
I have only ever read the dominance and clashing kiss descriptions. I never pictured the sentient tongues but I had always wondered if teeth bashing was enjoyable (up until I actually had my first kiss and realized there was no actual clashing or smashing of the mouth area).
Regard coffee and cigarette kisses- instantly Sideshow Bob's line to Selma 'kissing you was like kissing some divine ash tray' came to mind. Hilarious descriptions in this one!
I grew up with the "tongue battled for dominance" via fanfics. It had made sense to me since all I shipped was rivals. xD I always just imagined two tongues wrestling to decide who's gonna top.
But, I generally try not to imagine any kissing scenes too much. It quickly becomes gross for me otherwise.
I hope we see more demos of terrible scenes from Spock and Pegasus!
Absolutely hilarious video! I chortled several times
God the tongue battle and mouth slamming is pure fanfiction writing lmao those two points unlocked some memories of horrid fanfic I’ve read and written
I actually do like the faces close together trope if they clearly are building up to the kiss, and follow it up with the actual kiss.
Well, this list has rubbed in my face just how little romance I have read over the course of my life. And as an aromantic asexual, I'm not particularly inclined to remedy that.
With the two mouths slamming together, I saw it once played for laughs. Like, both were so eager the kiss bombed. But it was funny for both of them. They then kissed each other more gently.
i couldnt stop laughing at this one. great video! lucky for me, the other two people of the dynamic writing trio i'm part of writes all the kiss scenes, and thankfully, they avoid every one of these tropes
I'm lovin how you combine great humour with an important topic. Great content.
Oh God, I had that "giant mouth" kiss thing...but I was like 20!!! Ew. It was gross. I'm convinced I could have had a better kiss from a literal walrus.
I must confess I did number 10 once...because it was a writing challenge, and I ran out of words. My friend called me much worst when she read it. 😂
I did the tongue thing at first when I was first starting writing😂😂 I don't now and it definitely wasn't like they where really*fighting* but the way she described it is halarious 😂
This video had me in stitches. 🤣 I had to hide my laughter while working in an almost silent workplace. Thanks, Jenna.
Thank you for this. I made some of these mistakes in the past. This helps a lot.
One thing I've been seeing recently that I absolutely despise is when character A has absolutely messed up, is failing in their apology and decides to suddenly kiss character B as a fucked-up love confession. Often done as a 'Shut Up Kiss' as well, of course. And character B doesn't punch them in the face. Why.
I feel like the shut up kiss can be soooooo good, but in such specific circumstances?
Like, established relationship, or established that they're both interested, just waiting a bit more, so it's not just some A assulting B at random.
The anger/panic/excitement/whatever that has B rambling shouldn't be caused by A, at least not directly.
Could be like A was attacked/insulted, and B is upset on their behalf? And A is touched, but does NOT want to retaliate, and tries to stop B, and then tell B they're used to it happening?
Or B panicking, and A kissing them to get them out of a downward spiral?
They're sneaking around/hiding somewhere, B gets either scared and panicky, or cocky and brags that it's going well, and A shuts them up so they don't get caught?
I think I read a scene in a fanfic where they were in a secret relationship because A is afraid to come out/unsure of their identity, while B would have been perfectly ok with it. Later on when they get caught, B immediately tries to deny it for A's sake, but A has come to accept it/feels ready, and kisses B publicly, stopping their bs excuses and admitting their relationship. That was cute?
oh yes in specific ones it can be good. I think the first one I ever saw something like this was in a justice league animated show between batman and wonder woman when I was 10 😭 it wasn't to 'shut up' tho it was to make the ppl looking for them not see their faces to keep their cover but they also did both like eachother but BATMAN would not rlly admit that out loud OMG that was my first ship tbh i pretended they were my parents 😭😭
ok reading this back I'm not sure it even applies to this trope anymore but ummmmm
Kiss scenes are best with a live audience who can scream when it happens like in Saved by the Bell
"Ow"
10:22 this gave me a flashback to this red robins my family and I went to when I was a little kid and I hated sitting in this one portion of the resturant because there was a pop art painting of a man and a woman, but it looks like the man is eating her face. My parents kept saying "no they're kissing" but I call bull. Cannibalism at its finest
I find that lots of scenes of intimacy (be it kissing or sex) has characters that seem so *into* they seem really angry, like growling and lunging and crashing lips and battling tongues. Never experienced it so maybe I'm wrong, but surely kissing or sexing someone doesn't make you feel cross?
I suspect those writers were trying (badly) to describe what you might call 'hard' kissing, i.e. when two people are so passionate for each other they almost literally can't control their ardour and so the kissing is urgent, hungry, maybe a little bit rough. There are all sorts of kisses, after all; not all of them are tender. And it's certainly more than possible for two consenting adults to have rough or aggressive sex without it being abusive - indeed, many couples like it best that way! :-) My guess is that's what the writers are aiming for, but aren't skilled enough to get the nuances right and just end up making their characters seem angry instead.
When I heard “battled for dominance” I immediately thought of wattpad
While I haven't written many kiss scenes, I do believe that less is more when describing them. I don't even describe the kiss at all. I just describe little things that happen before and after the kiss.
For example, if the couple was sitting side by side when they kissed, the girl would rest her head on the guy's shoulder afterwards. Or if they were facing one another, they would hug afterwards. Simple stuff like that.
The tongue battle was so over complicated and hilarious!
Number 8 was my first experience with kissing… I was 19, he was 21. I felt like he was literally eating my face. I actually checked my face for teeth marks afterwards because he was basically biting me and shoving his tongue down my throat.
Did you know the "their tongues battled for domanance" thing can be traced back to a Drary mpreg (maybe omegaverse its slipping my mind rn) fic from like 2002? The more you know
OF COURSE ITS A OMEGAVERSE FIC😭😭
5:57 to 6:37 absolutely killed me, I laughed way too much 😂
I love kissing scenes in books when they are horrible it makes the story not that good or enjoyable anymore it ruins the romance 💜
Most of these points can actually work within proper context. The shut and kiss for example. Within context where a man or woman is rambling after they have already kissed and one character is rambling about their emotions and actually saying they are into the other character. The shut up and kiss works. In context and with thoughtful writing, and hear tropes can work.
I am ABSOLUTELY gonna end up writing a book where I use "plundered her mouth" completely unironically.
Maybe an evil tooth fairy, maybe a serial killer who has a teeth kink, or a mugger with dentistry tools to steal a golden tooth
0:20 I especially hate when writers write terrible murder scenes. It's like they've never committed murder before.
Actually laughing out-loud at the tongue flicking description you gave! One of your best videos!
as someone who had the "shut up kiss", on the cheek.
the recipient has to be gullible enough, overly infatuated with the person performing the kiss, and inexperienced at romance to get that "stunned" effect.
Infatuation is key to making sure the recipient doesn't use her common sense.
It only works for teenagers lol
I love the heavy breathing... if it comes right before a passionate kiss. If there is no kiss at the end of this breathing (and by god, you better have fresh breath if you're all up in my face) then WTF are you doing in my face, bro?!
Love to watch these to make sure the romance/adventure story I’m writing doesn’t have any bad tropes and I’m developing my characters well and if I am I’m able to fix it
I do confess, I have used the 'mouths crashed together' multiple times, but usually in a more aggressive character, the shy ones or more moderate type characters never do that. I think this trope is supposed to be illustrating a sort of intense passion that isn't meant to be literal crashing? That's how I've always interpreted it anyways...
But this vid had me giggling a lot, as I get some of these bad descripts are and unfortunately end up in books that get made into movies... that are just as bad. lol.
Even actresses who kissed Clark Gable hated how his breath stunk of cigarettes back in the day.
You got me laughing so hard in the 'tongue flicking kiss' 😂😂
Me who doesn't write romance into my books:
Lol yeah, jenna is on point.
I wake up most days and choose violence, if a man ever kissed me to "shut me up" that's a great way to get punched in the rib. And I'm short, so that punch would land just under the armpit.
I need to start watching these videos more again, I forgot how hilarious they are. And I agree with all of the points!!!
Ok, worst literary kiss ever. There is a Dean Koontz book called “From the Corner of His Eye” where a man kills his wife by pushing her off a high place. As she is dying, he kisses her and the author specially mentions that he used no tongue in his kiss… really.
I don't know, "shut up and kiss" scene is cute when like one is rambling and stressed and just needs some affection to chill.
I don't think it's a matter of being a kiss-virgin, as even before having my first kiss a couple weeks ago at age 22 I also hated reading/writing these tropes
Hi, Jenna. I have read The Savior's Champion and The Savior's Sister. I am craving to read more. I have three ebooks out. Working on publishing the fourth Nights Hunters. I love your content. It helps a lot.
Worst kiss I've ever read was from the most painful story I've ever read. First of all, the guy thought she was sleeping and it was just after she'd broken up with someone else.
But there's a twist! She was only pretending to sleep, and gets herself in this situation often: she finds someone to pretend to date for a week before breaking up, each time looking forward to being consoled by this guy in such a way.
Excuse me what the fu-
Well, the shut up kiss is kinda cute. I have a thing with my girlfriend when she loses the track of what I'm talking about or I get lost in my rambleing (wich is quite often) she kisses me to snap me out of it
NO ONE DRINK WATER WHILE WATCHING THIS VIDEO!!!! GOOD LORD I ALMOST DIED AT THE STITCH MEME:0
for how right it is.....this video also has me ROLLING on the floor for how funny it is
Never thought I would see Spock slamming into a black Pegasus in an attempt of a kiss.
"Tounges battling for dominance" gives me war flashbacks.
Most of my experience with the shut up kiss is in a love confession situation. The confessing party barely manages to stammer out their confession and immediately start babbling how it’s ok if the other person doesn’t like them back when said party admits to liking them back by kissing them.
Good advice!!! Love the lizard noises you made! ❤💜
I am cracking up over the tongue flicking. "One, two, three, four I declare a tongue war." 🤣 Yeah, the giant mouth thing is terrible. Yuk.
This was wonderful! I laughed so much. Thank you.
Oh god this video made my day! Thank you Jenna this was awesome! 😝
I just don't write kiss scenes and I don't read them either. Doesn't matter if it's well written or poorly written, it makes me go "bleh" either way. I'd prefer reading slapping scenes tbh. Sometimes those are funny. 🤷♀️
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Well I'm glad somebody said all this because half the time I read a kiss scene and I wonder if I need to prepare myself to say Yikes 😬 or OH HELL NO 🙄
That Dr. Spock in the beginning was so funny 😂
Listen, I ain't ever been in a relationship in my life but I have witnessed many couples in my life just kiss normally and have read plenty of fanfiction to understand these tropes to the point where I just make my kiss scenes simple like "he/she/they kisses their lover gently/softly on the lips" and or if I want to mix up the words, i use the usual "pressing lips" thing
Their tongues battled for dominance. One of the worst lines that has ever been written. Watching you just destroy it made my day.
I am happy to learn I didn't write any of those tropes in my kiss scene
I don't know, I think #7 can be a great follow for #1. It's like a recovery in that case.
On the subject of number two being embarrassing, isn't that the point of the trope? Isn;t it for people who have a humiliation kink?
Ramada: "Kiss me. Kiss me like you've never kissed me before."
Topper: (devours nose)
The tongue/thumb wrestling bit was hilarious. 😁🤣
#2 took me out Lmaoooooo “beg for what? It’s just a kiss! Have some self respect!” 😂😂😭