This is a great video- mic’d up, animations, contextualised. Wow! So many videos have a lot of waffle or examples where you’re not sure what you’re looking at, but your video is clear, concise, and relevant. Can’t wait for more! Vibes are on-point too!
Yessir!! Love to see it. A take I have that could be made into a full video: "Dancing" or doing more than setup, cut, and clear is ok but only after you've mastered those 3 at that level. Meaning if you are a good HS/college player, you can dance but when you start playing club, change your style to be more simple systematic until you assert yourself into a regular role, then and only then can you go into your bag you developed before. That's a lot of words and honestly not ground breaking, but it's a lesson I wish I learned sooner
Totally agree. It is a skill to learn how to play within a system. Being clear and decisive in your movement makes it so much easier from a communications and connections perspective. Great take.
So glad I found this! Really wanting to improve my game, and as a cutter this video seems perfect! I saw this is your first video, do you plan to do more of this style?
Great vid, earned a sub. I'd be happy to see some team offense ideas about creating and attacking space on a team level, not just the individual level :)
Usually the defender would only backing to the middle between break and open space and then fronting you to stop the under and chase you if you change direction then
I love the tips and the sticks men you made to show us your point It really help me to visualize it. Also it will be nice if you change you camera angles here and there so it feels different and it will also help us to see it from another angles.
@@itsericdee Can not wait to see upcoming videos! Also a personal question do you have any tips to practicing indoors? Anything from practicing cardio or bettering your throwing form. I want to go outside more but haven't been able to so I was looking for ways to practice indoors so when my HS season starts I am not dying in practices.
@@Astro_Lix Do you have access to a large indoor space or gym? For throwing, I would say set up some sort of net that you can throw into to practice indoors. For cardio, I would suggest running indoors or on a treadmill. Being physically prepared from a conditioning perspective will be helpful. Reach out to me on Instagram DMs and I can help more.
@@itsericdee Currently I do not have access either one (large space or a gym) but I have decent space in my living room so I do sometimes just run one end to the other for 8 minutes. I am going to DM you on Instagram. Again thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it!
So I know in worlds it's wiffdiff rules (No contact), but as you probably know in the states people play a lot more physical and will often put pressure on you before you leave the stack. Do you have a precursor move in those situations to force them to have to create that buffer so then you could apply what you spoke about in this video? Or how would you go about forcing them to respect you moving forward to where they naturally start setting the buffer?
If they are pressuring you before leaving the stack, it means that they have no buffer. In this situation, I would get my momentum going deep to get my defender to start moving and then take three hard steps to come under and attack a shoulder. Kind of similar to what Claire Trop in the example from my other video. Being physical on defense can be good but it can also be exploited since you're not keeping any buffer.
any tips for if they defend the under space more rather than facing you flat? I find it hard to anything but just go deep and it feels like a bit of a gamble
Defenders are constantly playing their odds. If they are 'fronting' you (i.e. marking you under), they probably don't respect either your ability to get the disc in the end zone or the thrower's ability to throw a completed huck. The easy answer is just go deep. But if you're in a scenario where that's not really an option, you should try to get past one of the defender's shoulders. 'The stage' concept should help you with opening up those options. Hope that helps!
definitely useful cuts, but the one part i disagree with is "opening up the deep space" after taking someone onto the stage. by cutting more into the open side by bringing your defender on stage, yes you're "opening up the deep space" but on the break side, and the huck would be coming from the same third. if the disc did end up landing on that side where you said there's more space now, as a cutter that'd be a more difficult read being under the disc fading into that break side. unless the thrower can somehow throw a huge break huck around their mark (or a hammer), having more space there isn't actually useful otherwise good content, and everyone should learn the footwork and the timing of these cuts
I'm finding that the OI fading break side huck is quite popular based on my experience with the option-taking at Sydney Sunder. The window is definitely smaller than a floaty huck out into space but it is also a much, much smaller window for the defense to have any play on the disc. OI means that the disc is fading to the advantage of the offensive cutter, so even if it floats and sits, the cutter gets natural early position.
Regarding your comment on 'same third' hucks, here is my response to another comment asking about a similar thing: Great question. A lot of coaches teach you NOT to cut from the same third - but why not? Example in the video - if I make a deep cut, then the thrower can put shape on the disc for me to get an early read and run to where the disc is going to end up, with so much more space downfield to work with. If I don't come out on stage, then the defender has more license to those areas of the field and all cuts are less threatening. Yes - the throw is FROM the same third, but it gives much more space for the thrower to work with as they are able to put shape on the disc to throw to the receiver's advantage. Although thrown from the same third, most times the throw won't end up in the same third at all - in fact, it'll curve towards the middle/break side of the field. It can be awkward for a thrower if they don't practice these types of hucks.
Thanks for your input and I hope I was able to make my case without sounding like a know-it-all (haha). Definitely appreciate the support, engagement and kind comments (:
Sorry - last point (I promise): By getting on stage, it does also open up more of the deep space towards the open side as well. Imagine a defender keeping a buffer and ready to seal off the open side deep space versus a defender that has their back within 5 to 7 metres of the side line, only able to seal off 5 to 7 metres of the open side deep space if they're in a good position. And if they're in a good position to defend that, then they leave either a huge inside lane or huge under lane to cut to. Hope that point makes sense.
@@itsericdee honestly, no hate but i think i disagree, or at least i myself would not say to younger frisbee players "one of the reasons why you should cut horizontally into the open space is to make more space in the break side deep space." yes, OI throws into that break side deep space can work, same third hucks as well. the reason why i wouldn't coach it that way is because the throws need to much more precise and the read for the cutter is much harder if a disc is directly over their head. just my opinion, happy to agree to disagree
Eric from the future audio was rather poor. Would love the same quality as the main part. What would make this vid even better if you showed videos of you or someone at worlds doing this
If you elect to go deep, how do you avoid cutting same third? I feel like whenever I try to do this I end up forcing my thrower into awkward deep shots because my deep cut is starting in the same lane as the disc, rather than the centre of the field
Great question. A lot of coaches teach you NOT to cut from the same third - but why not? Example in the video - if I make a deep cut, then the thrower can put shape on the disc for me to get an early read and run to where the disc is going to end up, with so much more space downfield to work with. If I don't come out on stage, then the defender has more license to those areas of the field and all cuts are less threatening. Yes - the throw is FROM the same third, but it gives much more space for the thrower to work with as they are able to put shape on the disc to throw to the receiver's advantage. Although thrown from the same third, most times the throw won't end up in the same third at all - in fact, it'll curve towards the middle/break side of the field. It can be awkward for a thrower if they don't practice these types of hucks.
Also, something I didn't mention in my response - you have to throw to the same third most times if you want to avoid a poach defender peeling from the stack. Ability to consistently execute those tougher shots across the board are what differentiates good teams from great teams.
This is a great video- mic’d up, animations, contextualised. Wow! So many videos have a lot of waffle or examples where you’re not sure what you’re looking at, but your video is clear, concise, and relevant. Can’t wait for more!
Vibes are on-point too!
Appreciate it Kevin! Would love to have you in my community where we discuss everything ultimate. Its free! Check it out at skool.com/ultimate
Very much appreciate the comment - made my day! :)
Yessir!! Love to see it. A take I have that could be made into a full video:
"Dancing" or doing more than setup, cut, and clear is ok but only after you've mastered those 3 at that level. Meaning if you are a good HS/college player, you can dance but when you start playing club, change your style to be more simple systematic until you assert yourself into a regular role, then and only then can you go into your bag you developed before.
That's a lot of words and honestly not ground breaking, but it's a lesson I wish I learned sooner
Totally agree. It is a skill to learn how to play within a system. Being clear and decisive in your movement makes it so much easier from a communications and connections perspective. Great take.
nicely done. so easy to understand
Thank you! 😊
Thanks Eric! Just in time for regionals 💪🏼💪🏼
Thanks for the support! Good luck 🤞
Great video. I'm really excited for this channel. Would love to see some videos on fundamental throwing. For me the backhand is the hardest throw.
Great idea. Thanks for your support!
Wow so professional and engaging
haha thanks mark
Let me know your thoughts on the video and what you want to see next - I will reply to every comment!
So glad I found this! Really wanting to improve my game, and as a cutter this video seems perfect! I saw this is your first video, do you plan to do more of this style?
Yep! I plan on making plenty more so follow along if you’re interested 🥳
Explain different type of zones (Cup,junk,etc). And how do we play against that zone.
Besides that, keep up the quality videos mate!!
appreciate it! yep for sure can do something on that
Great vid, earned a sub.
I'd be happy to see some team offense ideas about creating and attacking space on a team level, not just the individual level :)
Great idea
Thanks for the support!
Usually the defender would only backing to the middle between break and open space and then fronting you to stop the under and chase you if you change direction then
what do you mean?
I love the tips and the sticks men you made to show us your point
It really help me to visualize it.
Also it will be nice if you change you camera angles here and there so it feels different and it will also help us to see it from another angles.
Glad it helped! Thanks for the feedback. I’ll see what I can do in future videos 🫡
@@itsericdee Can not wait to see upcoming videos!
Also a personal question do you have any tips to practicing indoors? Anything from practicing cardio or bettering your throwing form. I want to go outside more but haven't been able to so I was looking for ways to practice indoors so when my HS season starts I am not dying in practices.
@@Astro_Lix Do you have access to a large indoor space or gym? For throwing, I would say set up some sort of net that you can throw into to practice indoors. For cardio, I would suggest running indoors or on a treadmill. Being physically prepared from a conditioning perspective will be helpful. Reach out to me on Instagram DMs and I can help more.
@@itsericdee Currently I do not have access either one (large space or a gym) but I have decent space in my living room so I do sometimes just run one end to the other for 8 minutes. I am going to DM you on Instagram.
Again thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it!
Nicely done!
is this the real khalif!
appreciate it G
So I know in worlds it's wiffdiff rules (No contact), but as you probably know in the states people play a lot more physical and will often put pressure on you before you leave the stack. Do you have a precursor move in those situations to force them to have to create that buffer so then you could apply what you spoke about in this video? Or how would you go about forcing them to respect you moving forward to where they naturally start setting the buffer?
If they are pressuring you before leaving the stack, it means that they have no buffer. In this situation, I would get my momentum going deep to get my defender to start moving and then take three hard steps to come under and attack a shoulder. Kind of similar to what Claire Trop in the example from my other video. Being physical on defense can be good but it can also be exploited since you're not keeping any buffer.
Goat, thank you eric
no youre the goat
Down field defending
Great idea - big topic so I’ll have to make an introductory video on that soon 🤝
How do you apply this in a horizontal stack? Every team I’ve played for runs ho
I would love more videos on different way of faking your footwork to break mark!
That's great! I have a few videos of those on my Instagram as well.
any tips for if they defend the under space more rather than facing you flat? I find it hard to anything but just go deep and it feels like a bit of a gamble
Defenders are constantly playing their odds. If they are 'fronting' you (i.e. marking you under), they probably don't respect either your ability to get the disc in the end zone or the thrower's ability to throw a completed huck. The easy answer is just go deep. But if you're in a scenario where that's not really an option, you should try to get past one of the defender's shoulders. 'The stage' concept should help you with opening up those options. Hope that helps!
definitely useful cuts, but the one part i disagree with is "opening up the deep space" after taking someone onto the stage. by cutting more into the open side by bringing your defender on stage, yes you're "opening up the deep space" but on the break side, and the huck would be coming from the same third. if the disc did end up landing on that side where you said there's more space now, as a cutter that'd be a more difficult read being under the disc fading into that break side. unless the thrower can somehow throw a huge break huck around their mark (or a hammer), having more space there isn't actually useful
otherwise good content, and everyone should learn the footwork and the timing of these cuts
I'm finding that the OI fading break side huck is quite popular based on my experience with the option-taking at Sydney Sunder. The window is definitely smaller than a floaty huck out into space but it is also a much, much smaller window for the defense to have any play on the disc. OI means that the disc is fading to the advantage of the offensive cutter, so even if it floats and sits, the cutter gets natural early position.
Regarding your comment on 'same third' hucks, here is my response to another comment asking about a similar thing: Great question. A lot of coaches teach you NOT to cut from the same third - but why not? Example in the video - if I make a deep cut, then the thrower can put shape on the disc for me to get an early read and run to where the disc is going to end up, with so much more space downfield to work with. If I don't come out on stage, then the defender has more license to those areas of the field and all cuts are less threatening. Yes - the throw is FROM the same third, but it gives much more space for the thrower to work with as they are able to put shape on the disc to throw to the receiver's advantage. Although thrown from the same third, most times the throw won't end up in the same third at all - in fact, it'll curve towards the middle/break side of the field. It can be awkward for a thrower if they don't practice these types of hucks.
Thanks for your input and I hope I was able to make my case without sounding like a know-it-all (haha). Definitely appreciate the support, engagement and kind comments (:
Sorry - last point (I promise): By getting on stage, it does also open up more of the deep space towards the open side as well. Imagine a defender keeping a buffer and ready to seal off the open side deep space versus a defender that has their back within 5 to 7 metres of the side line, only able to seal off 5 to 7 metres of the open side deep space if they're in a good position. And if they're in a good position to defend that, then they leave either a huge inside lane or huge under lane to cut to. Hope that point makes sense.
@@itsericdee honestly, no hate but i think i disagree, or at least i myself would not say to younger frisbee players "one of the reasons why you should cut horizontally into the open space is to make more space in the break side deep space."
yes, OI throws into that break side deep space can work, same third hucks as well. the reason why i wouldn't coach it that way is because the throws need to much more precise and the read for the cutter is much harder if a disc is directly over their head. just my opinion, happy to agree to disagree
Eric from the future audio was rather poor. Would love the same quality as the main part.
What would make this vid even better if you showed videos of you or someone at worlds doing this
Yep, agreed. Eric from the future sucks. Great suggestion - I'll add that to a future rendition.
If you elect to go deep, how do you avoid cutting same third? I feel like whenever I try to do this I end up forcing my thrower into awkward deep shots because my deep cut is starting in the same lane as the disc, rather than the centre of the field
Great question. A lot of coaches teach you NOT to cut from the same third - but why not? Example in the video - if I make a deep cut, then the thrower can put shape on the disc for me to get an early read and run to where the disc is going to end up, with so much more space downfield to work with. If I don't come out on stage, then the defender has more license to those areas of the field and all cuts are less threatening. Yes - the throw is FROM the same third, but it gives much more space for the thrower to work with as they are able to put shape on the disc to throw to the receiver's advantage. Although thrown from the same third, most times the throw won't end up in the same third at all - in fact, it'll curve towards the middle/break side of the field. It can be awkward for a thrower if they don't practice these types of hucks.
Hope that helps - a bit of a long-winded reply! Sorry!
Also, something I didn't mention in my response - you have to throw to the same third most times if you want to avoid a poach defender peeling from the stack. Ability to consistently execute those tougher shots across the board are what differentiates good teams from great teams.
followed you on insta, youtube algorithm showed me your youtube, insta subscribed!
Love it! Thanks for the support!