How the Tigers scrapped a World Series team into a rebuild with no clear end
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- The 2012 Detroit Tigers were a big, expensive powerhouse with the best hitter in baseball and a dynamite pitching rotation. They made the World Series, but failed to win it ... and then failed to advance out of the ALCS the next year ... and then got swept in the ALDS the next year. As their playoff runs diminished, so did the payroll, and the lineup, and the pitching staff. By the end of the decade, Detroit seemed mired in a "rebuild" with no clear end, unwilling to spend big money, and unfortunate with producing the next great prospect. How did we get here?
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My heart skipped a beat when I saw the title. This team was so much fun, but at times so frustrating. Great memories, and a wonderful time to be a Tigers fan.
Especially at a time when the other teams and city itself were at rock bottom
If we had an even remotely decent bullpen things might've gone differently
Very disappointing
Try being a Twins fan once. It's not fun.
@@MAWA-Vik19 I'd chopper my own member off before I became a twins fan
It’s unreal how good that 2012 team was and says a lot that the giants BODIED them in the World Series. That 2012 giants team was nuts
Ruined my childhood that series
A big part of the problem was that the umpires compressed the strike zone in the 2012 World Series. The Giants hitters adjusted, the Tigers didn't. The Detroit pitchers found that pitches that had been strikes throughout the year were balls in the World Series. The Giant hitters laid off these pitches, forcing Verlander, Scherzer, Fister and Sanchez to throw hittable strikes. That's why Pedro Sandoval, who had done nothing before or since, feasted on the Tigers. The Detroit hitters, on the other hand, swang at everything. The Giant pitchers knew they didn't have to throw them strikes so they didn't. It was no accident that Jhonny Peralta was the most productive hitter. He was far and away the most patient Tiger hitter and didn't chase bad pitches like the rest of his teammates did. The presence of Victor Martinez would have helped, but the Tigers likely would have still lost that series.
@@JustWinBabeeking fu panda was a solid 270ba hitter
The '12 WS was over before it started...literally
I was at game 3 as a 13 year old Detroit fan it was so so so cold that night and to have to sit there and watch them get shut out was so brutal
Therapist: “It was a baseball team ten years ago Ethan” Me: “THEY WERE *THIS* CLOSE DAMN IT!”
As a Detroit Sports Fan, Mike Illitch always made every effort possible to help our teams win. Including going for broke and breaking the bank. We have been spoiled in Hockey Town and I hope to witness the Tigers win one day. R.I.P Mr. I. Detroit vs Everybody
Consider this, though: Illitch bought the team from Tom Monaghan in the early 1990s. What happened between then and 2006? Pretty much nothing, as Illitch was enjoying his Red Wings success. So, for over a decade, Illitch was a decently negligent Tigers owner, presiding over the '03 debacle.
I'm not going to say it wasn't fun watching him spend all that cash in the early '10s, but there was a good long while in which he didn't seem to care much at all.
@@jlaw7670 I can’t disagree with that, I was certainly enjoying the Red Wings success but you are right the early illitch years were a tough go for the tigers.
It'll be a while for you guys. In the meantime the wings are back on the upswing, you'll at least maybe get another redwings cup while you wait.
@@jlaw7670 Bad management overall. Ex. trading a bunch of prospects for a one year rental of Juan Gonzalez who had no interest playing in Detroit to begin with
@@goblue193 Exactly. Trading away top prospects for a rental player only worked once, Smoltz for Alexander (?).
They held on to Victor Martinez with a 4 year deal at 17 million per instead of getting a decent closer.
Instead of playing Castellanos at first base because Cabrera was at 1st and Victor was the dh, Nick was stuck playing at positions he couldn't play, so of course he didn't want to stay.
Thete are many instances where terrible decisions were made either by Dombrowski or Illich that ruined a good thing.
Not sure Avila is the right guy for the job, but I do like the pitchers he's been drafting, but they were very high draft picks so it's kind of hard to screw those up.
Overall, I thought after 2014 it was time to add more youth while Verlander, Cabrera, and a few others still had what it took to lead what could have been an up and coming team with an injection of youth instead of a bunch of guys that regularly turned doubles into singles, and some retread relief pitchers.
I have been waiting a long time for this one, it is amazing just how many Tigers from 2006-2012 won a World Series when they left Detroit with us getting a demoralizing rebuild in the process.
And I thought the Wings collapse hurt to watch, THEY WERE SOOO CLOSE. Good Lord the pitching on that team was filthy, too bad the bullpen was inconsistent
😔
How about the fact that last postseason appearance in the 2014 ALDS against the Orioles they had Scherzer in Game 1, Verlander in Game 2, David Price in Game 3, and still managed to get themselves swept!
That to me was 100% the first warning sign that Brad Ausmus was the not the guy to lead this team for the future and that they were going to decline.
@@JWex-jy7sk That O's team was pretty good and they also had a way better manager in Buck.
@@henny6566 My dad’s an Orioles fan and agrees to this day about that, Tigers were out-managed throughout that entire series
When you consider what the Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons of the late 90s early 2000s where and where they are now you can really feel for Detroit fans
@@kingsally2864 Yep, we're literally living in the worst era for Detroit sports since the early '80s. A few more years without any playoff appearances/wins, and you could reasonably make a case for it being the worst stretch in Detroit sports history.
I had it nice for most of my life: from the mid-'80s into the early 2010s, SOME Detroit team gave you SOMETHING to get excited about at least every couple years. But yeah, things are tough in the Detroit sports world nowadays.
The 2011-2014 tigers is the greatest disappointment in baseball history. All that talent. Verlander, Cabrera, schzer, . All first ballot hall of famers. And didn’t even win a single World Series game.
*laughs in Barry Zito*
*laughs in 2011 Red Sox*
@@warlordofbritannia 2013 Red Sox?
@@masonseymour2455 ✔️✔️ Starting Pitching
the other teams had a secret weapon......Leyland.
That 2012 Tigers team was STACKED man.
Miggy in Triple Crown form
Prince Fielder in his first year
Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Fister, Anibal Sanchez
They just ran into… a GIANT problem.
🐼
Prince Fielder was such a bad signing.
Sitting for 10 days between series didn't help. You can't sit that long in baseball without losing some timing and game rhythm.
Can’t forget about Vmart , Ajax and Carlos Guillen!!!
@@stevep2380 I definitely think too much time off is a factor but it doesn’t justify losing games
Now we need a collapse of how the Texas rangers blew their chances in their World Series appearances and how that team went up in smoke
Or how my NY Mets failed to become a dynasty after 86
Wilpons: Because LOLMets is eternal 🤑🤑!!!!
As far as the Rangers go, Urinatingtree did a video about them that's still pretty relevant today
@@arizonawrestlinginterviews1040 one of his legacies of failures who haven’t won a championship right after he posted it (nationals, blues, capitals)
The Mets relied on veterans like Gary Carter and Keith Hernandez, when those guys aged they didn’t have adequate replacements
Also, canning Davey Johnson after he revived the franchise…how many teams have fired Johnson only to immediately decline? Mets, Reds, Orioles…
"Once Upon a Time in Queens" is a four part 30 for 30 documentary about the 86 Mets and Jeff Pearlman wrote a book called, "The Bad Guys Won." The collapse of those Mets teams has definitely been examined.
Collapse is becoming a neglected gem on the channel, please bring them back more consistently! Great job guys!
it's actually my favorite series on this channel since it debuted in 2019
I'd like to see Collapse get it's own TH-cam channel
As Detroiter those years were interesting. The games were usually well in hand. Then the relievers would go in and it was a crap shoot from game to game. Everyone was nervous because we knew we didn’t have a deep dugout and when bats go quiet in October we were all collectively holding our breath.
we also had AUSMUS - who couldn't manage a Dairy Queen.
@DEZZNUTZ 1001 true that
David Ortiz’s grand slam could warrant a Rewinder itself.
Also, why didn’t you mention that in addition to all those pitchers, Dave Dombrowski went to the Red Sox and won a World Series with them?
With a bunch of former Tigers on the roster (Price, Porcello, JD, Kinsler).
I will never forgive Benoit for giving up the grand slam to big papi
@@SmoothCriminal12 AND Porcello went on to win a goddamn Cy Young, giving that 2014 starting rotation FOUR Cy Young award winners (Two of which, Verlander and Scherzer, will be shoe-in first ballot HoF guys)
@@joelrichardson8674 blame Joe Buck, he literally said seconds before Papi hit it, that Ortiz had never homered off Benoit 🤣
As a Detroit sports fan, I feel like my teams have been repeatedly attacked by this channel over the last year. But I know that it’s all just the cold reality of how high all of our teams were in the last decade plus (minus the Lions, of course) without ever reaching the pinnacle.
@Fries Red Wings in 08
If you feel that SB Nation is "attacking" Detroit, then you should under no circumstances, go to Urinatingtree.
@Fries he has done one for the Tigers Wings and Lions
The only good news is we are now finally emerging from the darkness in the sports that all collapsed. The Wings are a year or two away from making the playoffs, Tigers have some very exciting young players we'll (hopefully) see this year, and the Pistons have Cade. We're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel
They need to do the lions next…a full deep dive from 1957 on …
They had an elite lineup in 2012-13, and even after the Fielder trade, they added JD and Castellanos. It should've been a longer window to win with all the talent they had. They're finally building towards something, I hope Miggy gets another chance even if he's basically a player-coach.
Nah, that team was built to win that window, they simply, tragically didn’t
Plus, swapping Fielder for Ian Kinsler was a *steal*
Castellanos was regularly just above or just below average in OPS+ all but like one year with the Tigers (his final year).
You're giving him way too much credit.
The mistake was trading Fister.
@@Nem1606 I’m saying in terms of elongating their window of contention, they had talent to retool rather than rebuild if they played their cards right
@@AndThatsBaseball Adding a league average hitter does not extend your contending window
Had the Tigers won the title in 2013 as projected, that team would be forever in the history books as one of the single greatest of all time. And damn, they were FUN to watch. I remember being at a barbecue and everyone stopping what they were doing to run in and watch Anibal Sanchez strike out 17 in a row. It felt like every game there was something new that amazed me about the team. And the boys were having a good time playing all through the summer. I miss it and I hope we get it back.
I feel like the rebuild has a clear ending currently. Probably in a year or two they will be good.
I would hope. I don’t think you’ll be at the top because the White Sox are too good. The team you have to worry about beating is still the twins, I still think last year was a fluke for them.
They gotta cut miggy loose though
I agree; Avila has made mistakes with the rebuild but the results are finally starting to appear
@@CAPDude44 he is playing through the rest of his contract and then retiring. He is still a average batter. You don't just cut the guy who gave so much to the tigers franchise.
@@yankees2864 white sox are overrated
As a depressed tigers fan who couldn’t watch this video til months after it released there’s a few things not mentioned in this video:
There’s no denying the bullpen ruined the 2012-2014 teams but while the bullpen was bad, Ausmus’ managing was somehow worse. The beginning of Avilas tenure still had a high payroll and tons of all star talent derailed by an incompetent manager who was put in place because he was a former player meant the look good on TV, which obviously doesn’t work with a team full of talent and that lead to the rebuild more than the bullpen did.
Secondly, pointing out the tigers drop by 100M dollars in payroll leaves out the fact that Cabrera was making nearly 1/3 of that roughly 70M payroll in the last few seasons. It’s one thing to lower payroll and rely on young talent, but Donbrowski traded away all the young talent to acquire a loaded roster. When they finally decided to rebuild not only were there no good players left in the minors but they prospects Avila traded for all flopped. Aside from Fulmer, who just got traded in 2022 for a 25 yo starter with a 7.17 ERA in AA, not one player panned out for all of the talent traded away in this video (multiple cy young winners, JD Martinez, etc)
Speaking of the roster, Guys like Dixon Machado and Warwick suppold were decent roll players, but got paid league minimum on the worse team in the MLB. Both chose to play in Korea to make more money and have a chance to play meaningful baseball that could further their careers instead of losing 100+ games a year with no end in sight.
The 2022 tigers finally spent money, not that Avila knows where to spend it. Chris Ilitch is fed up with the tigers, so they did sign or trade for respectable players in Baez, Meadows, and Rodriguez. While Baez has turned his season around after starting out hitting barely .150 and at least looks like a respectable player the later two big signing have been injured or sick 95% of the season, along with the entire young promising pitch staff being hurt. In some cruel joke the baseball gods smited all but Tarik Skubal, and the tigers have started 15 pitchers going all the way to the fifth starter in AA getting unexpected big league time that you probably remember (the player who Jomboy broke down how he was ripping pitches).
With all this being said, there is a small chance the Tigers can send Cabrera out with a post season appearance. Turnbull, Mize, and Manning will be healthy with other young staters Skubal and Brieske, Erod could be back but that’s quality 6 MLB starters. The bullpen has quietly been top 5 in all of baseball, ironically, with an all star closer. Riley Greene looks like a bright young star, and since he and Victor Reyes became healthy the tigers have been playing just under .500 and are no longer on pace for the worst offense since integration. Factor in the better offense when healthy, a healthy starting rotation to being next season, a randomly top 5 bullpen, the AL central being laughably bad, and the chance for other young players to step up (Haase has been surprising in limited time, Torkelson can improve, Baddoo has value) there’s a chance 2023 could be the tigers year. While 2022 has gone wrong at every turn, there’s still hope. There’d be even more excited if Avila was exiled to a remote island like Napoleon so he can never ruin a baseball team ever again, but there is actually signs of improvement since Hinch arrived.
If you read all of this thank you, hopefully it helps further illustrate just how sad the collapse of the tigers was. Also being a Detroit sports fan in the 2010s is laughably painful, the four major sports teams had a win percentage combined under .300 in 2019 with probably deserves its own video but not even the dorktown guys deserve to watch any of those games back
cabrera won't make the postseason with this team lol, detroit will stay in sports poverty for another decade.
The wait for a winner to be decided in the 2012 NLCS really killed their momentum imo
Yeah it was some record going around at that time that said teams usually win the world series if they go 7 games in the NLCS/ALCS when their world series opponent swept their opponent
As a tigers fan & beer vendor from 11-14 those tigers teams were so incredibly fun to watch. A healthy Vmart was a game changer in the line up but once that 2012 season was over most knowledgable fans knew it was over. We had already sold out the minor league and had nothing in the bullpen other than porcello. What a heart break of an era.
"That's quite a successful season with quite a painful conclusion." That sums up the Tigers during that window.
Ouch. As a Tigers fan, I still remember cheering for them as a juggernaut favored to win the WS. I think they're approaching contention this year since they signed one of the best short stops in the league, and they have a lot of really good pieces coming up through the system.
Another Tigers fan here. Yes their future looks great, but as of now, they still haven't addressed the Bullpen. My God, you would think that they would've learned by now. This is a great example of the need for a reliable BP
@@kpro9560 It's tough to draft for a bullpen, honestly. Their bp was pretty good last year, though, and I think a lot of it comes down to pitching coaching and scouting younger, reliable arms.
Baez really isn't that good due to his strikeout ratio. That's a big downside. They did nab chaffin & added pineda, yanks fan here but seems the tigers added more than us.
and still have a lousy manager.
@@angrygrandpa2.08 Yes they went out and got Chaffin (who is yet to pitch due to injury) and Pineda ( who started one game, and looks pretty good). But the Yankees have Chapman. The Tigers need a "shut down" Closer like him in their BP. Wow you guys have good one in Chapman.
It's been a long past few years but the future looks bright for the Tigers. Actually excited for their season for the first time in quite some time. Just hope the lockdown doesn't drag on too long.
I noticed that after the Red Sox won the 2018 World Series, they temporarily fell into a huge slump that felt like it would take years to get out of. I don't think it was coincidence that Dave Dombrowski was their head of baseball operations during that time. Fortunately for Boston, they rebounded a lot quicker than many people predicted, and I'd say it's mainly thanks to Chaim Bloom replacing Dombrowski in 2020
Man, this rips open the wound that was left by the sweep at the 2012 WS. And, then, the fallout afterwards. Nice video.
That 2014 year in particular was wild, because the AL was wide open. They owned the Royals that year (13-6 vs KC in 2014), and if they would have gotten past Baltimore, they would have gone to the World Series.
As a Phillies Fan I Remember That Year For The AL!
10 years give or take later the number of these guys that are not only still active but still good is insane.
This team was special man. 2011-2013 was the most amazing and most heart breaking. I miss Mr. I. He wasn't perfect, no one is. But he cared about the teams and wanted them to win more than most owners.
All while the Tigers’ bullpen routinely blew up, a team within their own division went on a WS run that netted them a trophy on 2015 built mainly on the backs on their dominate bullpen. Must’ve been hell for Tigers fans.
Also Forever Royal!
One of the best starting rotations of all time.👌
Weird to end it like that when they signed two big name free agents(Javy Baez and E-Rod) this off-season after their young core showed progress.
I always enjoy Seth's scripts and voice over. Top work as usual
What’s more heartbreaking is the number of former Tigers that have gone on to win a World Series with different teams
Heartbreaking AND infuriating.
I'm happy to see this comment lol I think about this all the time that whole rotation has rings now!!!
The only thing more depressing is how the owner never got what he dreamed of. Ilitch even did everything he was supposed to. He was hands off, let his executives make moves, and unlike some owners, he wasn't a cheapskate. In a sport with no salary cap, he told his front office to spend all the money needed to make a championship contender. Unfortunately, despite that, he never saw his dream come true.
I remember being younger and associating the name Joe Nathan with the phrase “oh god please no”
It was hard growing up a Tigers fan when all you had to show for it was broken dreams and a team that was a shadow of what it could’ve been
*Collapse:*
- Arizona Diamondbacks (post-2001)
- Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels (post-2002)
- Colorado Avalanche (post-2001)
- Los Angeles Kings (post-2014)
- New Jersey Devils (post-2003)
- Texas Rangers (post-2011)
*Beef History:*
- Battle of Ontario
- Battle of Alberta
- Battle of California
*Rewinder:*
- Patrick Kane’s 2010 Cup-winning goal
- Frenzy on Figueroa (Kings-Red Wings 2001)
- Paul Kariya’s goal (2003 SCF)
*Untitled:*
- Daniel Alfredsson
- Patrick Marleau
- Sedin twins
As a Diamondbacks fan, we don't talk about 2007. The wound is still fresh. #FuckTheRockiesAndAvalanche
The D-Backs were always going to collapse, they went all-win on 2001
The Angels didn’t really collapse, they just kinda tapered off, especially after Scioscia retired
Same thing kinda happened with the Rangers, the team just aged and declined gradually
@@manzac112 Now that team was fun to watch! Brandon Webb, Orlando Hudson, Mark Reynolds, Chris Young, Stephen Drew, Conor Jackson, Chris Synder, Justin Upton, Micah Owings.
Had solid veterans like Eric Byrnes, Tony Clark, Livan Hernandez, Doug Davis.
Augie Ojeda was decent, but man losing O-Dog’s in the lineup was a terrible blow come the postseason.
Future Untitled
Chris Paul
Miggy
Trout
Shohei
Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
@@JWex-jy7sk
So much young talent, it’s remarkable how few of those guys panned out: Webb’s career ended in a sudden injury, Connor Jackson failed to develop, Chris Young never became more than a raw talent…the best were somehow Mark Reynolds and Stephen Drew and Justin Upton-or rather, Adam Dunn-lite, Stephen Drew, and the living embodiment of being blue balled
I was at Game 4 of the 2012 ALCS when the Tigers finished the sweep of the Yankees. What came next just didn't seem possible. I bought the Tigers ALCS Championship t-shirt after they lost the WS and I still wear it proudly to this day.
Man, watching this broke my heart. Still can’t believe the Tigers didn’t get at least 1 WS title out of those teams. It’s been dark days with all of our Detroit teams ever since really
Same here!!
Back throughout that whole timespan when the Tigers were dang good (so 2011-2014), my two best friends were both Tigers fans and so I mercilessly rooted against Detroit just to mess with them. Now though, I kinda wish they HAD won that World Series in 2012 (or preferably beaten the Sox in 2013), if for no other reason than to give Miggy and Mr. I that World Series championship they came so close to and tried so hard to get.
Best game I’ve ever been to was game 2 of the 2014 ALDS. The former Tiger Deleon Young’s double was the loudest moment of my life.
“Former Tiger Delmon Young” is such a blursed phrase lmao
You have no idea how long tigers fans have been Waiting for a video like this. Thankyou
As a Nationals fan Id love to see the rise and fall of the 2019 Nationals
Nobody talks about teams that collapse right after they've won it all, it's quite normal. Excitement drops and the owners are trying to build for an economical future within their budget.
I’ve always been a sox fan and being from pittsburgh I’ve liked the pirates too but man the early 2010s tigers were so fun to watch. Miggy is still one of my favorite baseball players of all team and that batting lineup/rotation was crazy I can’t believe they didn’t win
It is absolutely insane to me that the entire starting pitching staff have ALL won a World Series since leaving Detroit
2021 gave many of us Tigers fans a new hope, as we had 4 winning months (and finished overall far better than from 2017 to 2020), new capable management, a roster chock full of young, incredible talent, and the fact that some of our best minor league players will play in the big leagues this season.
With that said, it is safe to say that things are looking up as bright as 10 years ago, and that I am confident that my Tigers will be playoff contenders hopefully this year and will finally win it all soon enough.
As a tribe fan this was one of the best rivalries I've seen in the AL Central. Miggy literally was in the entire city's head back then. Yeah we hated them all but boy did i respect them
As a Giants fan I like this story. =)
Being a Detroit fan you brought back happy yet terrible memories
Looking back at our 2010's history, we have had a long list of brilliant talent that we weren't able to keep. Once we dug ourselves into a hole, we haven't gotten anything done. Injuries upon injuries yield no success.
This has been out for some time, but I'm ready for this pain!
Russell Wilson's Seahawks, 2010's Canucks, Late-80s Mets....all good candidates for a collapse episode.
Some more collapse video ideas
2016 Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 Arizona Cardinals
2015 Denver Broncos
2014 San Antonio Spurs
I would actually go 2015 for the Arizona Cardinals.
Yes! I love this series! Please keep making episodes!
The Tigers had no reason to have a high payroll in 2019-2021. They have started to pay free agents this year, as expected, as they end their rebuild. Javier Baez and Eduardo Rodriguez coming in with their young pitching staff and elite prospects could lead to a very good team.
Good luck with Javy Baez. Flip flops from an mvp candidate to a replacement level player at any given moment.
@@buchaneb had the most strikeouts in the NL not worth the price of admission.
That pitching rotation was unreal. Verlander, Scherzer, Fister, Porcello, and Anibal Sanchez. 2 true aces, then 3 guys who at the time would’ve likely been the first or second names in most rotations
In retrospect, what a stacked Tigers team that was.
Even in the moment, that team was loaded.
I like where the Tigers are heading with that good looking punch of young starters Mize, Skubal and Manning along with the 2 super prospects Torkelson and Green.
Mize was over hyped as hell still is overrated. Manning is probably the best pitcher they have aside from e-rod. They should finish either 3rd or second this year might surprise people & sneak into a wild card spot. Cleveland & the royals should round out the bottom with the twins or white Sox winning that division.
They have a plethora of talented young players now. Look out for the Motor City Bengals going forward. However, their " create a team video game roster " of 2011-16 was unbeatable on paper. But not a balanced team. They had holes. defense, speed and bullpen. You need all three of those to win in October.
100%
These collapse videos are easily my favorite on the channel, just wish they were more common. I would love to see a Mariners collapse video, but not from 2001, but from 2014. We never made the playoffs, but in '14, '16, and '18, it was right there, then we traded it all away after 2018. Would love that for a video, despite the pain.
Y'all back on track finally
@@BallCDO been waiting my whole life for it
@@SomeSportsFan37 ima Braves fan. Be patient. It will be worth it at the end
@@BallCDO well the Rangers and Astros won't stop spending so I'm a bit worried lol
As a Mets fan, I miss that team. Very fun to watch. But it all led to us getting Max Scherzer, so it’s all good in the end
Happy Days as a Tigers fan. Shows how much success is tied into an owners interest in winning (spending) or losing. They haven't lost this fan but idk when a meaningful game will be played in Detroit again... It's been awhile.
Thanks secret base for reminding us tigers fans that we had the best contending team in the majors but could not cash it in. I knew the colapse was going to happen because of that darn bullpen. But don’t sleep on us this team is coming back after the lockout.
As a Red Sox fan, watching Big Papi and the Flying Hawaiian grand slams in the ALCS are 2 memories that will last a long time
I've been waiting for a video on this team! Such a shame this team never got a title.
This tigers team was good back when life was simple
For the non-baseball fans here, the 2022 Tigers currently have one of the youngest and most exciting rotations in baseball, a top 3 farm system, and just spent a ton of money on top free agents Eduardo Rodriguez and Javier Baez. Currently they need to improve on (stop me if you've heard this before) their bullpen and defense most of all, assuming their prospects turn out well.
These Tigers teams look like they're going to be so good, it's just a matter of waiting now.
Agreed. same with the red wings . The wings have 3 guys in the calder race and a handfull of prospects that are tearing it up in the minors. The pistons arent too far behind right now they have 3 core young guys they can build a team around with cade,stewart, and bey looks like they will have a high pick in the draft this year as wellsp their future looks bright.. and my forever poorly managed lions looks like they are turning a corner the new owner has the right people around her to help make some actually good decisions such as the revamped coaching staff and good draft. Nice to be a detroit fan right now with all this talent on the horizon
@@ezio_Winchester I agree with all of this, except the Lions assessment. They're still pretty awful
@@jeremymccommons7741 yeah they sucked most of the year but they did beat 2 playoff teams and won 4 of their last 7 games and that was after dan campbell started calling the plays. There will always be growing pains with a new coach and everyone trying to learn the system. But with the amount of talent on this team being razor thin im suprised we won that many games this year. Lions have always had the worst calls with the refs. The past decade with stafford was them shooting themselves in the foot we could never put together a complete team on the field. We had 1 year with a thousand yard rusher in the last 20 years. We waited forever to rebuild our offensive line. When we finally did a couple years ago and now we have one of the best o lines in the league. We have needed cornerbacks for the last 20 years . Since dre bly we drafted one in slay that was worth it. And lions luck when we did draft a cornerback high he got hurt in the first game of back to back seasons. We had the number 2 defense in the league after being number 1 all year about 5 years ago and the next year about a quarter of the defense returned and then got injured. Last year we basically had 1 receiver that stayed healthy. But there is some good young talent on this team . If we were smart we would build up what we need while goff is under contract cuz we cant move his large contract. We have a good receiver and tight end. A top oline a backfield that if all were healthy would be pretty good. So draft defense this year hopefully a pass rusher at #2 then a saftey with #32. Then a linebacker and dline. Then a couple free agents then this team would be ok. Then when goffs contract ends you draft a qb. Then the young qb would have a solid team to go foreward. Looks like we have a good start to that. When stafford was here he went through 5 coaches which takes times for each coach teach his system . They are actually giving dan campbell time the guys love to play for him we have a lot of players coaches. We have a good foundation to move foreward for the first time in quite a while.
Lets Go Orioles! That sweep was one of the best moments of my Baltimore sports fandom.
The fact they were able to field a lineup with three DH's is impressive.
So we have collapses on
The Red Wings
The Pistons
The Tigers
see the Lions are playing the smart game, cant have a collapse if you never had a good team
They were fairly competitive in the 90s. Made the NFC championship in 91-92 season but got blown out.
SRS sent me. Two video's about the same team on the same day... I like it, and... Well I'm a new subscriber
If I could use any one word to sum up this video, it would be heartbreaking. Every name. Every playoff. Every close-but-not-enough season. The fire sale, the rebuild of the farm system, the dismal ausmus years, Verlander leaving minutes before the deadline because management practically begged him to. And now the years long, never ending, always failing "rebuild." And still no end in sight.
As a White Sox fan that follows other AL Central teams closely I immediately knew he was going to talk about the 2012 Tigers and the lack of a bullpen. That was always their achilles heel. When they failed to add BP help in 2014 I figured well maybe theyll get lucky...but valverde kept blowing saves. When the 2014 season started and they STILL hadnt added BP help I knew their window was about to close.
I’ve been waiting for a while for a new collapse episode and I love seeing a new one. Here’s potential ideas for new ones after this one
2011 Texas Rangers
1995 Cleveland Indians
2015 Kansas City Royals
2014 New York Rangers
The Indians went to the WS two years later and didn’t fall off for a few years
@@thejmc4074 well, it takes time for a collapse to really take off sometimes. It would be very similar to the one on here about the OKC Thunder probably, where it took a few years for the collapse to really happen
I feel like okc was a lot more sudden than and easy than anything in baseball.
You lose Kevin Durant and your chances are done
They got the AL MVP from 2011-2013 in Verlander and Cabrera. They got 2011 and 2013 Cy Young Winners in Verlander and Scherzer hell even the 2012 Cy Young winner joined them in 2014 it was David Price. These guys had future hall of famers in their teams and never could win a ring. They are the 90s Indians of the 2010s.
Cleveland in the 90s were even more stacked. look at the 99 lineup. Jim Thome, Robby Alomar, Omar Vizquel, David Justice, Kenny Lofton, Manny Ramirez, Harold Baines.
3 HOFers, the best defensive shortstop of that era having the best offensive season of his career (dude had a .397 obp), possibly the worst year 1 snub in HOF voting history, and Manny Ramirez. The end result, 1009 runs scored. the most in the integration era.
@@abridge2 The 99 Cleveland Indians were one of the few teams to score 1000 runs in a seasons. This is one of the reasons I consider 1999 Pedro Martinez the best pitcher peak of all time since he could stop that legendary offense even when he was injured at the ALDS.
@@petersonofleo11 thanks bailey
As a Giants fan, I love the 2012 ws. Everyone counted us out and we swept em.
Big Panda snatched their soul in game one and they never recovered. Reminds me of the '88 WS. Gibson hit that walk off HR and the heavily favored A's just rolled over.
Just remember that Grant Brisbee pedicted the sweep beforehand
As fellow Giants fan, I’m with you 100%!!
The 2010 MiSFits were my favorite.
But 2012 was just clutch all around.
And 2014 was legendary!!
I completely forgot about Joba going to the Tigers! Great analysis..
Dave Dombrowski destroying the Tigers’ farm system and trading away Fister, Cespedes and Price hurt this team more than anything.
His habit for destroying farm systems is what got him fired in Boston.
At least he got Boston a world series though
The prospects he got rid of never really accomplished much . Is there anyone in particular you are referring to?
YES THEY FINALLY MADE THIS ONE! I WAS ASKING FOR IT FOR SO LONG! GOATED 🤩
I honestly feel like that 2013 ALCS, the Tigers were the more talented team but the Red Sox just played with more heart.
And that’s one of the many reasons in my opinion the Tigers have collapsed. All that talent and money but no heart 😔
And piss poor managing decisions by Leyland in Games 2 & 3. Why would you pitch to Ortiz with the bases loaded?
@@alexjones3511 Or, an endless parade of relief pitchers, each having a lousy outing. The Ortiz slam featured four runs charged to four different pitchers. You don't see *that* too often.
Unfortunately for the Tigers, they ran into the buzz saw that was the 2015 Royals and 2016 Indians that ultimately slammed their window shut. Those years from 2013-2016 between the Tribe and Tigers were so much fun to watch. Always back and forth, best years of the rivalry.
Sometimes I just look at this roster and I wonder to myself “how tf did this team not win the WS” this video explains it, the bullpen seemed to be the problem along with injuries, im an A’s fan and I remember how this team knocked us out twice and I was so mad but its crazy how these Tigers didn’t get a championship.
This was a great video to walk down memory lane to. The World Series in 06 hurt just as much as the one in 2012. Tigers only won one game out of both series which still hurts to this day. Only thing that bothers me about the video is not much was said about the Tigers today. Whilst being over $100 million under the cap from where we were 10 years ago it would have been nice to hear about our amazing prospects and the moves the tigers made at low cost, which could very well put them back into contention by the end of this year… that’s right, I said it. Tigers finished 74-87 in 2015 with contracts the likes of Ian Kinsler, J.D. Martinez, Victor Martinez, David Price, Rajai Davis, Justin Verlander, Miggy, and company. Tigers finished in 2021 with a record of 77-85 and boasted their second best season since 2016 when they went 86-75. They managed to do this with the stellar rebuilding of a completely depleted farm system that ranked worst in the league for a number of years. Now you have Javier Baez and E-Rod coming in to back a young squad of Casey Mize, Akil Badoo, Spencer Torkelson, Eric Haas, Jackson Jobe, and Riley Riley Greene. Not to mention you still have Jonathan Schoop, Miggy, and AJ Hinch at the helm. With still plenty more young prospects with high upside still to come. With the right pieces, anything can happen. In my opinion this video is potentially just the beginning and middle of the story. The rest of it will get written within the next few years… at least I hope!
The problem is that Ilitch wanted more than anything to win a world series. Which was great for the beginning, but when it became obvious it wasn't happening and needed to rebuild, he dug his heels in. He knew he wouldn't be around for the next team to contend, and it unfortunately cost them dearly.
I remember watching Cabrera in 2012. Went to the game right after he hit his 300th Homerun and got a poster to remember it. Damn, 10 years it's been. Still got the newspaper the day after game 162 announcing Miggy won the Triple Crown
This does bring me back to better times
I have been a baseball fan for over 25 years and I miss fun teams like this a lot.
I got teary eyed just thinking about how seemingly every one on that team won a championship… just not at as Tigers.
I remember when it was 06 or 07 and the Tigers made to the WS against the Cardinals. It had been over 20 years and in school they put the games on TV muted of course.
You gotta do Kansas City. That Royals team popped into existence, won a World Series, faded a little, then drove themselves off of a cliff after that, with the rebuild unlikely to produce anything until maybe 2025. The mid-2010s Kings teams too, as well as those Ducks teams. That White Sox team that won in 2005 should get a video too. Same for the Astros team that lost to them. I think a 2007 Rockies video, both for Rewindr and Collapse would be good. D-Backs are a good candidate, same for those late 90s Orioles. The 1998 Padres too
This video gets me right in the feels.....
Someone has to do something about this poverty team
I've avoided clicking on this but after spending an hour watching Spencer Torkelson and Riley Greene videos, I think I'm ready
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR YEARS
As a die hard Tigers fan, it’s that 2013 season that still haunts us. Damn you Big Papi!
My Red soxs put y’all in a ⚰️🤣🤣
AAAAAAA ANOTHER COLLAPSE EPISODE I LOVE IT HERE
Whenever I get the alert for a new Collapse video, I hold my breath that they're not going to do the 2015 Mets. 5 ace pitchers, all got hurt and left one by one. Let Daniel Murphy walk in free agency, resigned Cespedes just to watch him rot on the DL. That one really hurt to watch
My favorite secret base videos
I will say the rebuild does have an end in sight. The team they have no, if the MLB actually has a season, is going to be competitive. They had a lot of ups and downs last year, but they managed to sweep the Yankees and Astros among other teams. They added a great shortstop already this off-season which was their only big hole on the infield. They will be competitive this year if there is an MLB season
Maybe the greatest starting rotation ever. All 5 starters either Won the Cy Young or had caliber years, the offense was ridiculous too. Just crazy
As a lifelong Tigers fan, any Tigers fan knows our bullpen has been the problem for DECADES! We had a good bullpen 1 time that I can remember over the last 20 years. I also didn't love signing Prince Fielder. I like Prince but we were really slow with him, Miggy, and Victor in the lineup. Defensively it hurt too! Although Cabrera played a better 3rd base than I thought. Not an easy switch. I sure do miss that starting pitching too!
Also Brad Assmus sucks!
Relief pitching. Hard to believe with as many Cy Young winners in the starting rotation whether they won the award as a Tiger or not a World Series couldn’t have been won. They were so young too. Prime Verlander, Scherzer, Price, Porcello(at the cusp of prime), and I think I might be missing another. Then Joe Nathan, Chamberlain and still nothing.
Do I need to mention the best hitter in baseball in his prime(ultra prime) in Miggy?
When they starting the fire sale my heart was a little broke. still fun to watch. So many young bucks that went on to star elsewhere. But at least they don’t have the Ford family sucking the life out of players and fans like with the Lions.
This one hits deep and still hurts especially when the giants went down 0-3 in every series before the world series and then swept us
Wait... you’re saying the 2012 Giants reverse sweep-ed every playoff series before sweeping the World Series?
Not exactly. Down 2-0 to the reds and 3-1 to the cards.