Blackarchnia and Silverbolt have two of the best character arcs, redeeming each other when they were corrupted by Megatron and their time as villains having an important effect in their personalities.
Yeah. Also like the contrast the three sparks Megatron used for his generals were *Spoilers for Beast Machines* Rhinox was an ally of Primal since the start of the Beast Wars (Heck they didn't even bother to change his voice as Tankor) Silverbolt for what you said. And lastly Waspinator. Feels like Megatron just wanted to see if a new body could make him a competent minion and not a comedic buffoon like in Beast Wars.
Wether it’s: -The femme fatale that fell for the cornball paladin bird dog -The tragic ex girlfriend who resented the monster she became -Or the sadistic serial killer who made rivals with everyone around her Whenever this character shows up it’s going to be a real treat (or trick🕸)
Love Blackarachnia and Airachnid, just such great characters. My own head cannon is that Airachnid is the ancestor of Blackarachnia, similarly to how in BM Primal hinted at being a descendant of Prime.
Blackarachnia is awesome. I love her BW designs and I think she should make more appearances in modern media. I love her design (for obvious reasons.), her sultry voice and she's genuinely a great character. I also find it hilarious where the design for her came from (Yeah right, "exotic dancer".)
"You know I like them big and stupid, but your *really* pushing it." My favorite line of hers. Also, there was Transformers/MLP crossover?? I can just hear Megatron laughing so hard!
Great retrospective, she's the standout character to me, both in Beast Wars and Kingdom. I like how she's been useful to the franchise in different shows and comics. Let's hope she's in Rise of the Beast (doubtful). Thanks for this, it's always a special moment watching your vids.
I love Blackarachnia because how seductive and cunning she is and Airachnid because of how threating and she can be, I kind of she to see more of her. It's also funny how you mentioned Batman and Catwoman early in the video, because I see Silverbolt and Blackacrachnia if they were Spider-Man and black cat LOL
I'm quite sure that Arachnid was originally going to be named Black-Aracknia but her name had to be changed because Hasbro somehow lost the trademark to the name, which isn't a new thing for The Transformers.
Man I loved this Video! Megatron, Dinobot and Black Arachnia are my favorite Beast Wars Characters! She is dangerous and interesting no matter the continuity. But my favorite has to be the Beast Wars / Beast Machines ones, the was the character with most and best character development of the whole continuity of beast wars and beast machines! Thanks my friend!
Since Scarlett Johansson is pretty much done as Black Widow over at Marvel, let her play ANOTHER kind of eight-legged slinky siren: BLACKARACHNIA! That Predacon's just like Natasha Romanov: sexy, deadly, and has a voice like poison honey. As of this writing, there are no plans to use the character in RISE OF THE BEASTS, so here's a golden (disk) opportunity! Scarlett! Time to attach your name to a DIFFERENT franchise!
I like the way you used Catwoman letting Batman “hang out,” to illustrate the way Blackarachnia f’s with people, but not in the “in the chat” way! Cheers!
You know, In the Beast Wars Transmetals game for the N64, Blackarachnia was just like a redeco of Tarnatulas. I wonder if they based her off the original toy instead using her cartoon design.
Another great video sir- loved the opening! Venus was such a treat @ the Con & so very polite. I was with a friend talking to her & she turned & asked my name- she's really classy. Wish I could've gotten a picture of her next to that awesome cosplayer, who is also an awesome person!
Thanks! I talked with Venus a bit too, and I was the one who said she doesn't look a day over 21 during the panel. I even got to tell her I was making this video. I wish I got a picture with her but my budget was spent.
@@RodimusPrimal I had forgotten that was you sir! The panel was posted on TH-cam by Fandom (I think). The only paid autograph I popped for was Gregg Berger on the back of my G1 Grimlock tech spec. When I talked to the volunteer coordinator for the Con, I learned how much stuff Venus has to put up w/ from rude fans, but she is always so sweet.
Fantastic video RodimusPrimal!!!!!! I think Blackarachnia definitely tows the line between good and evil when it comes to Transformers characters. I have always viewed her as the female Vegeta of the Transformers franchise, if this makes sense. Keep on being amazing.
Really loved Blackarchnia and Silverbolt as couple. Found their relationship very interesting. I also loved the unusual partnership / relationship between her and Starscream in Kingdom. ;)
You should do a video on turncoats, characters who switched sides of their own accord without any mental tampering. They're more common than you would think? Turncoat is a category on TFWiki but you may need to do some digging for some of them? Fun Fact: the Combaticons were originally Autobots before they were convinced to join the Decepticons each using one of the seven deadly sins.
Excellent Spooktaculat video!!! Absolutely love the voice over and coverage! Both beautiful and deadly- she is someone you'd never wanna cross! Perfect for Halloween! 🎃 ❤
Venus Terzon my favorite voice actress of Blackarachnia. 2:40 Cree Summer one of my favorite voice actress who voice different characters. 8:26 Arachnid voice by Gina Torres nice. 10:32 Jeanne Carr did a good job voice of Blackarachnia. Classic Beast Wars Silverbolt. 16:54 I always love the Beast Wars show version of Blackarachnia a lot. The kingdom I kind of like it and I like the idea she isn't a Maximal but a normal one who join the Predacon but I don't like and no offense I don't like she hit on fem bots like she did to Arcee and Airrazor. It doesn't fit on her I can't deal with it I'm sorry no offense. The female Decepticon inspired Arachnid is amazing I love her character personality a lot. And crossover in My Little Pony and Star-Trek her desire look nice I like her TF X ST crossover design of her a lot. Hopefully her and Blackarachnia will be in more games and show soon. Thank you for the video and Happy Halloween and Spooky Month.
Another great video one thing I always wondered was that if the Maximals got to the stasis pod first what would her beast mode & name be. & As I mentioned in your Silverbolt restrospective I think that legs & bird dog or in beast machines ninja bird should be together back again. My favorite version of Blackaracnia is the one in both Beast Wars & Beast Machines also Happy belated birthday Rodimus
respectfully, whats sucks is that Tigertron and Airrazor also had a bit of a love story too, and the writers put the axe to them. never mind their only reapperance was when they where merdged into Tigerhawk by their abducters.
i wanna see blackarachnia looking like her beast wars version in a future beast wars series, she was at 1st a predacon but later joins the maximals, she will transform into an organic black widow in a future beast wars series, and i hope linsay rousseau in a future beast wars series
Awesome retrospective. It's crazy, in a good way, that an animated show was allowed to write a female character that had seduction as an obvious part of her arsenal. Great vid!
2:42, JEAN GREY?!! And the princess from Captain N?!! 0.o 4:07, XD to think she was modeled after that exotic dancer. Nice. 6:10, voiced by Vegeta. One of the best characters in BM imo. 12:59, damn. 15:08, how did I not hear that? Guess she goes both ways. Not to mention, she had a crush on Airazor who saved her one time in the Kingdom cartoon.
Haha, great Halloween special retrospective video. Yeah, the fact that she is a spider and one of the most poisonous spider in the world makes her even terrifying. Anyway, great retrospective video.
Airachnid and Crystal widow hands down. On a side note i had to scour the internet for years until i found someone on ebay selling the K-Mart exclusive Crystal Widow figure.
This was an Incredible Masterpiece for Blackarachnia. My Favorite Version’s of Blackarachnia in The Transformers Franchise 1: Transformers Beast Wars (Venus Terzo) 2: Transformers Prime Arachnid (Gina Torres) 3: Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy (Jeanne Carr) 4: Transformers Animated (Cree Summers)
Did you know Cree Summer voiced Dark Cynder in the Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning and Dulce the Dragon in the SATAM Sonic The Hedgehog cartoon in the 90s. Even having a leading role in Voltron: Legendary Defender in the late 2010s.
I like the animated version ( see have a backstory ) honestly I think they should have used the Beast Wars version for Animated. As her personality well good or bad it doesn't matter to me its all good.
Hey RodimusPrimal glad I got a chance to meet you at Tfcon forgot to ask would you review each episode of the beast wars season like in a weekly series , or so. It would be a good recap of the show and your opinion and thought would be highly appreciated thanks man
@@RodimusPrimalgotcha I did see those but I just need an excuse to watch every episode again with a break down...like a first time reaction time of thing it'll be a Saturday cartoon thing..lol
I talked to a friend of mine i asked her if she was in a relationship be a bird or a spider she chose the arachnid i said to her "alright you find a guy who is like a flying dog" I'm more tiger and my girlfriend is like a falcon based on the beast wars transformers as ground stalker and a maximal version of airiel. Our autobot oc cryowheel and commet racer (hot rod and chromia repaints)
I somehow predicted they would make a BW Blackarachnia figure, and repaint it in her original toy colors. Honestly I like to think of that version as a what if Blackarachnia’s protoform was a predacon instead. I see her as an assassin but with a mad scientist streak
The beast wars Blackarchnia is the very evil predacon female, and She does have a feeling of love about Silverbolt, and they should be brought back together.
while here in the rest of the world we got transformers like series fighting and that stuff the original creators japan are like hmm ya what about the teens? and so they did this 10:17 i aint complaining but this tells you the massive culture differences
Blackarchnia and Silverbolt have two of the best character arcs, redeeming each other when they were corrupted by Megatron and their time as villains having an important effect in their personalities.
Too bad we didn't have more relationship screentime, with Tigertron and Airazor. 😔
Yeah. Also like the contrast the three sparks Megatron used for his generals were *Spoilers for Beast Machines*
Rhinox was an ally of Primal since the start of the Beast Wars (Heck they didn't even bother to change his voice as Tankor)
Silverbolt for what you said.
And lastly Waspinator. Feels like Megatron just wanted to see if a new body could make him a competent minion and not a comedic buffoon like in Beast Wars.
@@BrianAwesome it’s actually spelled tigatron
Silver bolt and black archnia has a relationship ♥️
@@BrianAwesome hi dude how are you
Wether it’s:
-The femme fatale that fell for the cornball paladin bird dog
-The tragic ex girlfriend who resented the monster she became
-Or the sadistic serial killer who made rivals with everyone around her
Whenever this character shows up it’s going to be a real treat (or trick🕸)
Blackarachnia and Fuzor Silverbolt REALLY, REALLY needs to get back together!!!
And bang?
Yes! If this gonna happen in Rise of the Beasts... It's gonna be amazing!
@@canopyfieldsthey are robots, so it is biologically impossible
Beast Wars introduced so many complex characters. She was probably my favorite of the bunch.
"Dark venom of my heart!!!"
- Silverbolt to Black Arachnia
I love Silverbolt getting under her skin. It was always priceless.
Love Blackarachnia and Airachnid, just such great characters. My own head cannon is that Airachnid is the ancestor of Blackarachnia, similarly to how in BM Primal hinted at being a descendant of Prime.
Or Megatron being a descendent of Megatron/Galvatron
Or Arcee being Rattrap’s great aunt
@@s.nifrum4580Arcee. Rattrap's great aunt
😂😂😂😂😂
She is my childhood cartoon crush l saw her on transformers animated and instantly fell in love
Blackarachnia is awesome. I love her BW designs and I think she should make more appearances in modern media.
I love her design (for obvious reasons.), her sultry voice and she's genuinely a great character. I also find it
hilarious where the design for her came from (Yeah right, "exotic dancer".)
"You know I like them big and stupid, but your *really* pushing it."
My favorite line of hers.
Also, there was Transformers/MLP crossover?? I can just hear Megatron laughing so hard!
She had so many good lines. I really had to pick and choose.
Oh, Megatrons favorite song is the MLP Theme Song, as confirmed by a commercial
Wow, that science documentary voice at the beginning was amazing
Blackarachnia, the proof that love always triumph
One of my favorite villains/hero of all time.
Great retrospective, she's the standout character to me, both in Beast Wars and Kingdom. I like how she's been useful to the franchise in different shows and comics. Let's hope she's in Rise of the Beast (doubtful). Thanks for this, it's always a special moment watching your vids.
Yeah I doubt she'll be in RotB but yeah, Blackarachnia is definitely a stand out character.
dinobot wanted to date her in kingdom
I love Blackarachnia because how seductive and cunning she is and Airachnid because of how threating and she can be, I kind of she to see more of her.
It's also funny how you mentioned Batman and Catwoman early in the video, because I see Silverbolt and Blackacrachnia if they were Spider-Man and black cat LOL
Silverbolt and Blackarachnia is a better love story then twilight
I'm a huge fan of Silverbolt & Blackarachnia so I really hope he gets a new figure to go with her Kingdom toy. 😁
Hoping for Prime Airachnid to appear in the Transformers Legacy toyline. Would be cool next to Kingdom Blackarachnia.
I wouldn't expect her to be show accurate with the way Arcee and Bulkhead look
Would be a great addition to the toy line
Agree and hopefully they got the original cast for all the characters
I'm quite sure that Arachnid was originally going to be named Black-Aracknia but her name had to be changed because Hasbro somehow lost the trademark to the name, which isn't a new thing for The Transformers.
Same here.
I love these retrospectives. A new fuzor Silver bolt toy would be great 👍
It would be very appreciated!!
16:30 - they're totally deserves to be brought back together again (especially in the new movie "Rise of the Beasts")
Man I loved this Video! Megatron, Dinobot and Black Arachnia are my favorite Beast Wars Characters! She is dangerous and interesting no matter the continuity. But my favorite has to be the Beast Wars / Beast Machines ones, the was the character with most and best character development of the whole continuity of beast wars and beast machines! Thanks my friend!
The spider videos in the beginning is scary..... Anyways this retrospective was amazing!
Thanks for the well timed retrospective, RP!
It was a great watch, as always.
Thanks! I really worked hard to get it out in time too!
We don't celebrate Halloween in the country I live, so I will not do anything, but I hope you all have an amazing one!
Happy Halloween Rodimus Primal! I’m glad you finally decided to do Black Arachnia! She’s one of the better under ranked Tranformers!
I like the fact that Blackarachnia has a crush on G1 Megatron in legends and then in Kingdom, she tries to betray him.
To be fair, they are different versions of those characters.
Awesome video. She is always such a fun character because she’s unpredictable!
Agreed! I love blackarana she's my favourite character from transformers beast wars. 😀😁
Since Scarlett Johansson is pretty much done as Black Widow over at Marvel, let her play ANOTHER kind of eight-legged slinky siren: BLACKARACHNIA! That Predacon's just like Natasha Romanov: sexy, deadly, and has a voice like poison honey. As of this writing, there are no plans to use the character in RISE OF THE BEASTS, so here's a golden (disk) opportunity!
Scarlett! Time to attach your name to a DIFFERENT franchise!
I like the way you used Catwoman letting Batman “hang out,” to illustrate the way Blackarachnia f’s with people, but not in the “in the chat” way! Cheers!
You know, In the Beast Wars Transmetals game for the N64, Blackarachnia was just like a redeco of Tarnatulas. I wonder if they based her off the original toy instead using her cartoon design.
Excellent!!! Blackarachnia and Airachnid especially are the perfect subjects for a halloween episode.
Another great video sir- loved the opening! Venus was such a treat @ the Con & so very polite. I was with a friend talking to her & she turned & asked my name- she's really classy. Wish I could've gotten a picture of her next to that awesome cosplayer, who is also an awesome person!
Thanks! I talked with Venus a bit too, and I was the one who said she doesn't look a day over 21 during the panel. I even got to tell her I was making this video. I wish I got a picture with her but my budget was spent.
@@RodimusPrimal I had forgotten that was you sir! The panel was posted on TH-cam by Fandom (I think). The only paid autograph I popped for was Gregg Berger on the back of my G1 Grimlock tech spec. When I talked to the volunteer coordinator for the Con, I learned how much stuff Venus has to put up w/ from rude fans, but she is always so sweet.
Fantastic video RodimusPrimal!!!!!! I think Blackarachnia definitely tows the line between good and evil when it comes to Transformers characters. I have always viewed her as the female Vegeta of the Transformers franchise, if this makes sense. Keep on being amazing.
Really loved Blackarchnia and Silverbolt as couple. Found their relationship very interesting. I also loved the unusual partnership / relationship between her and Starscream in Kingdom. ;)
cool
You should do a video on turncoats, characters who switched sides of their own accord without any mental tampering. They're more common than you would think? Turncoat is a category on TFWiki but you may need to do some digging for some of them?
Fun Fact: the Combaticons were originally Autobots before they were convinced to join the Decepticons each using one of the seven deadly sins.
Seeing several cybertronians doing some trick-or-treating really made me smile.
Happy Halloween Rodimus Primal 🎃🎄🍭🍬🍫
Awesome Retrospective on Blackarachnia, and Happy Halloween.🎃
Ooohhh. That narrator at the beginning was cool
Thanks! It was me and I modulated my voice a little.
@@RodimusPrimal
Sounded ominous 👍
She's a dope character love her to pieces great vid as always!
Thanks, Rodimus! :)
Blackarachnia is my favorite character from transformers beast wars because of her personality and her martial art skills .
Great video, #RodimusPrimal! I like the Beast Wars, Machines incarnation the most. Airachnid is a close second.
Is no one gonna talk about the time in WFC Kingdom when Black Arachnia snuck a kiss to Airazor?
No need. It was a reference to Beast Wars when Rattrap snuck a kiss to Rhinox and nothing more.
@@RodimusPrimal Oh. And here I thought Silverbolt was gonna get triggered
I have a Kingdom Blackarachnia and I really like the way she transforms and was made
Next year on October 29 cheetor/ tigatron retrospect for cat day
Excellent Spooktaculat video!!! Absolutely love the voice over and coverage! Both beautiful and deadly- she is someone you'd never wanna cross! Perfect for Halloween! 🎃 ❤
Thanks! Definitely loved her character in Beast Wars. Beautiful and deadly indeed.
@@RodimusPrimal indeed! Her BW self was the best but I do have the Airachnid look as well! ❤
She is such a cool character! 🤖💁🏾♀️🕷️🕸️
Well that intro was certainly scary...
Blackarachnia and Silverbolt should be together again! I love this couple! And for Halloween i made a G1 Shockwave head
Nice! Totally agree on Silverbolt.
Let's hope we get them in the Rise of the Beasts
One of the best developed characters, fun, good memories. Arachnid in tf prime was dope too
Blackarachnia is one of my favorites!
We need an MP-46+ Beast Wars toy Blackarachnia in the works.
Knew this one was coming out on Halloween. Happy Halloween
I loved her whole Lezzy vibe in the Netflix series. Looks like she might have moved on from Silverbolt. Always been a fan of hers.
GREAT RETRO!!
Venus Terzon my favorite voice actress of Blackarachnia. 2:40 Cree Summer one of my favorite voice actress who voice different characters. 8:26 Arachnid voice by Gina Torres nice. 10:32 Jeanne Carr did a good job voice of Blackarachnia. Classic Beast Wars Silverbolt. 16:54 I always love the Beast Wars show version of Blackarachnia a lot. The kingdom I kind of like it and I like the idea she isn't a Maximal but a normal one who join the Predacon but I don't like and no offense I don't like she hit on fem bots like she did to Arcee and Airrazor. It doesn't fit on her I can't deal with it I'm sorry no offense. The female Decepticon inspired Arachnid is amazing I love her character personality a lot. And crossover in My Little Pony and Star-Trek her desire look nice I like her TF X ST crossover design of her a lot. Hopefully her and Blackarachnia will be in more games and show soon. Thank you for the video and Happy Halloween and Spooky Month.
I don't think Kingdom Blackarachnia was hitting on Arcee and Airazaor on purpose. I think she done that for comedy.
@@davidbailey6917 Yeah but I just don't think it fits on her characters I don't mind it but that doesn't fit for her.
Venus terzo as blackarachnia
I had the transformers animated version of blacharaknia.
It was my favorite toy as a kid.
Nice
Ah, the Spider, she's a very bad girl, indeed!😁😁😁😁😁😁
Blackarachnia sounds just like old-school Frieza from DBZ!" Almost!"
Another great video one thing I always wondered was that if the Maximals got to the stasis pod first what would her beast mode & name be. & As I mentioned in your Silverbolt restrospective I think that legs & bird dog or in beast machines ninja bird should be together back again. My favorite version of Blackaracnia is the one in both Beast Wars & Beast Machines also Happy belated birthday Rodimus
Our favorite version in Animated Blackarachnia and TfPrime Airachnid
I really enjoy Blackarachnia an Arachnid !
More Transformers Retrospective Please 👦👧💑✌💪👌👍🖒👏👋❤💎💍👑
Finally getting around to seeing this. Another great retrospective 🤘😁🤘
respectfully, whats sucks is that Tigertron and Airrazor also had a bit of a love story too, and the writers put the axe to them. never mind their only reapperance was when they where merdged into Tigerhawk by their abducters.
Oh god I just remembered that-
i wanna see blackarachnia looking like her beast wars version in a future beast wars series, she was at 1st a predacon but later joins the maximals, she will transform into an organic black widow in a future beast wars series, and i hope linsay rousseau in a future beast wars series
An unusual but cool character.
Lookin forward to more Beast Wars retrospecs
There will be more for sure!
Awesome retrospective. It's crazy, in a good way, that an animated show was allowed to write a female character that had seduction as an obvious part of her arsenal. Great vid!
I want to see silverbolt and Blackarachnia back together
2:42, JEAN GREY?!! And the princess from Captain N?!! 0.o
4:07, XD to think she was modeled after that exotic dancer. Nice.
6:10, voiced by Vegeta. One of the best characters in BM imo.
12:59, damn.
15:08, how did I not hear that? Guess she goes both ways.
Not to mention, she had a crush on Airazor who saved her one time in the Kingdom cartoon.
i wished elita-1 and blackarachnia were separate characters in transformers animated
Haha, great Halloween special retrospective video. Yeah, the fact that she is a spider and one of the most poisonous spider in the world makes her even terrifying. Anyway, great retrospective video.
I like Blackarachnia.
Great retrospective and Happy Halloween
Thanks! Happy Halloween!
Airachnid and Crystal widow hands down.
On a side note i had to scour the internet for years until i found someone on ebay selling the K-Mart exclusive Crystal Widow figure.
Happy Halloween, RodimusPrimal
Whoa. Some introduction.
This was an Incredible Masterpiece for Blackarachnia.
My Favorite Version’s of Blackarachnia in The Transformers Franchise
1: Transformers Beast Wars (Venus Terzo)
2: Transformers Prime Arachnid (Gina Torres)
3: Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy (Jeanne Carr)
4: Transformers Animated (Cree Summers)
Happy Halloween.
Airachnid, You sadly do not spend enough time on Transformers Prime... The writing on that show was just the best!
It did have its problems.
I don't celebrate Halloween but I knew from the start since elita one and silverbolt.
Did you know Cree Summer voiced Dark Cynder in the Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning and Dulce the Dragon in the SATAM Sonic The Hedgehog cartoon in the 90s. Even having a leading role in Voltron: Legendary Defender in the late 2010s.
Amazing video
LOL I had a feeling when I seen it was her you were going to use the Halloween episode of animated
How about snap dragon (horrorcons) review ?
I like the animated version ( see have a backstory ) honestly I think they should have used the Beast Wars version for Animated. As her personality well good or bad it doesn't matter to me its all good.
When I clicked on this video, after seeing the spider 🕷 in the beginning, I screamed and put a pillow on my tablet 😅 🙃 😂!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Halloween special for a Transformers character achievement!
Hey RodimusPrimal glad I got a chance to meet you at Tfcon forgot to ask would you review each episode of the beast wars season like in a weekly series , or so. It would be a good recap of the show and your opinion and thought would be highly appreciated thanks man
I did do a series overview much like I did with G1. Eventually I would like to do one for each Transformers series as a whole.
@@RodimusPrimalgotcha I did see those but I just need an excuse to watch every episode again with a break down...like a first time reaction time of thing it'll be a Saturday cartoon thing..lol
I talked to a friend of mine i asked her if she was in a relationship be a bird or a spider she chose the arachnid i said to her "alright you find a guy who is like a flying dog" I'm more tiger and my girlfriend is like a falcon based on the beast wars transformers as ground stalker and a maximal version of airiel.
Our autobot oc cryowheel and commet racer (hot rod and chromia repaints)
Great video.
Thanks!
I somehow predicted they would make a BW Blackarachnia figure, and repaint it in her original toy colors. Honestly I like to think of that version as a what if Blackarachnia’s protoform was a predacon instead. I see her as an assassin but with a mad scientist streak
😀😀 i definitely ship both of them 🐺🦅🕸🕸🕷🕷
I only wish we could see Blackarachnia’s transmetal form for more than 3 episodes.
Arcee was the first female transformer. Black Arachnia was the first great one.
The beast wars Blackarchnia is the very evil predacon female, and She does have a feeling of love about Silverbolt, and they should be brought back together.
while here in the rest of the world we got transformers like series fighting and that stuff the original creators japan are like hmm ya what about the teens? and so they did this 10:17 i aint complaining but this tells you the massive culture differences