Why Galaxy's Edge Needs to Be Rethemed to the Original Trilogy
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Galaxy's Edge has a problem, in that its theme is based around Disney's sequel trilogy. The sequel films are a damaged brand that don't sell Star Wars merchandise and while it may sound crazy to even consider a retheme, I actually argue that this should happen.
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The fact that it isn’t themed around the og trilogy is insane to me. Those are the most iconic movies of the franchise, those are the films you think of when you hear Star Wars.
Indeed. In retrospect, I think Disney execs are kicking themselves. The land hasn't done bad per se, but there's a lot of lost potential.
@@PoseidonEntertainment, surely the primary measure of doing well is an increase in attendance, which didnt happen at all.
@@benjacobs574 No it didn't, but granted we don't really know what would have happened. Perhaps not opening with Rise of the Resistance had people waiting until the could experience the full land, but then obviously we know what happened since. I know that Disney didn't come near what they expected with just the land and Smuggler's opening though. On opening day in Hollywood Studios, the attraction started with a 4-5 hour wait and dropped to a 40 by mid afternoon. Not a success I think. Since then, even with the opening of Rise, it seems to have been fairly successful, but not to the point where the park is reaching capacity every day like Disney seemed to think it would. Not even close. It appears to have also resulted in the loss of crowds at Disneyland around its opening as well.
Its because a lot of young audiences don't have attachment to the Original Trilogy. Heck, I'm almost 40 and I don't have the connection to them that my older friends do. Kids/teens aren't attracted to a movie that's almost 50 years old. When my students talk about Star Wars, they talk about new stuff. Disney didn't make this land to appeal to 40-60 year olds, they made it to appeal to 8-30 year olds.
@@mikeiseastman That's odd because I've had the opposite observation. I'm in my mid-20s and most Star Wars fans I know are huge fans of the OT and the prequels, but definitely not Disney's brand of things. As Disney has produced their own trilogy, I've seen the cult following for the prequel films increase despite their flaws and the OT has always been highly regarded. I'm not sure what factors play into this discrepancy, but I was under the impression that Lucas' saga was still quite culturally relevant. Even the merch continues to sell the best.
Re-themeing would go a long way, but what it really needs is aliens.
it's supposed to be a sprawling spaceport but the only alien walking around is Chewbacca.
they could have a few cast members in different clothing combinations and swappable masks and gloves/sleeves to give the illusion of multiple different aliens walking around the land doing various tasks
Exactly. Wookieepedia says Batuu is home to 17 immigrated species of sentient beings, including Bith (the Cantina Band), Devaronians, Twilek, and Wookiees. Why aren't we seeing some of these people working the outpost? Look, I understand that in the Florida heat and humidity especially, masked characters are required to work only half an hour outside and have 15-30 minutes "offstage" out of the mask. But there are plenty of SW characters whose alienness consists of adding on a piece of headgear and maybe some facepaint...or even no facepaint. Or you could go the Star Trek route and put on spots, nose ridges, or some kind of forehead appliance. And while no, I don't expect the regular cast members who sell the merch and sweep up the trash to get dressed up like that, there's no reason you couldn't have some wandering cast members who, like you said, swap out every half hour or so. Maybe every cast member could do a 30 minute stint as some alien or other, then catch a transport off world and go back to serving blue milk in the Batuu clothing.
Agree. And another option could be similar to what they use to do for pirates and the princess’s… have a ‘studio’ where the family can be made into an alien with make up/face paint etc…
Imagine if they actually took advantage of that wooded area to make a launched dueling family coaster themed around the Endor speeder bike chase.
That was actually the inspiration for the Cheetah at Busch Gardens
They could still do that with the right amount of storytelling. You don't have to have it set in the original trilogy.
being realistic whinnie the pooh would need to get the axe to actually fit a coaster.
themed up vekoma motorbike coaster?
@@themagicboy6548 exactly
Not to mention that they missed a huge opportunity in not theming the place around a known location. The best theme park attractions take you someplace you've always wanted to be. You go to Hogwarts! Or Beast's Castle! Or Diagon Alley! for crying out loud. Not "Beauxbatons" or "A Place Maurice might have Visited" or "A Wizarding Mall in Bulgaria". I get that choosing a location automatically negates certain choices and opportunities, but how much more excited would you be to go to Mos Eisley or Bespin or Coruscant as opposed to an unknown Baatu? There's just no emotional pull to Baatu.
Agreed, though I'm not really sure that Tatooine really does anything for me either. However, if Disney were able to pull off an immersive Coruscant inside a show building? That would be something.
100%
It seems clear the main reason for basing the land on the black spire outpost was so they would own all the IP and characters 100% so they earn 100% of the cash from merch, but also they could build grandeur in by building vertically. Can you imagine had they themed it all on a desert planet with flat rolling sand dunes? They can better make the land seem huge by building up rather than by paving acres more actual land to create the effect of a new land. They were fresh off of Pandora and could see all that worked well for it with the mountains and spires. I feel uncomfortable defending Disney or their Star Wars choices but in fairness to the imaginers there is more to consider than just the old SW story.
Even so, you make an excellent point and they should have tried harder to give the fans what they wanted
Well there's the Millennium falcon. That's a pretty memorable location from the og trilogy as much as the sequels. Not only do you get to see it on scale but you get to venture inside and then 'fly' it. Someone ready posted here that star wars doesn't really stick around the same planets for them to be truly like Hogwarts in Harry Potter, so making a new location that can center stuff from all 3 trilogies, include canon friendly shops, restaurant's and rides and have that general 'star wars' aesthetic was kinda the best option. Wether you think they were good or bad, most of the desions made had been mulled over by expirienced engineers, team members and park execs who've run Disneylamd and Disney world for years, so they weren't just random, spur of the moment type stuff. Maybe they were, but I really doubt it.
hpotter29 The older lands in Disneyland were based more around a general concept -- like Fantasyland, the land where all fairy tales come true -- rather than re-creating a specific location from one particular movie. In that sense, Galaxy's Edge is a bit more like those lands, creating a planet that's a cross-section of different cultures from the Star Wars universe.
I really liked your point about the music. One thing I don't like about Galaxy's Edge is there is no background music playing anywhere. I get that Disney was trying to make it as immersive as possible, but when every single other land in Disney World (except Pandora) has music playing at all times, the lack of music gives the area a weird feeling in my opinion. Like its almost too quiet. Furthermore, for me at least, part of the reason I feel so immersed in the Wizarding World of Harry Potter is that film music is playing at all times, which really gets you in the feel and mood of Harry Potter as well as makes you feel like you've stepped into the movie.
I agree. If you don't want to use the films' music, then get something that sounds like a cantina band. Personally, I think musicians on the streets playing less common instruments that people don't see every day--a dulcimer, water drums, a handpan/Hang drum--could add an otherwordly feel to the place. Every touristy place has a street musician busking for tips. Batuu should be no exception.
This is the first i heard there's no music, that John Williams score should be on blast 24/7
Even pandora has background music
Pandora has no music bozo and yet u like it 🤔. Stop wasting my time
It was a huge mistake not to have Star Wars music in the land. The immersion they were going for falls flat with no streetmosphere. It's pretty lifeless compared to the rest of the park.
"Streetmosphere"? I just learned a new word!
They actually DID have music that John Williams had composed just for Galaxy’s Edge-I don’t remember why they did away with it though
But yeah I agree they should have kept it
@@isabellalouise212 You can still hear it in the entry ways to the land. It was never meant to play in the land itself.
@@tonyadler1319 The music is also used in a couple of the rides, namely "Rise of the Resistance." The part where you're taking off on the shuttle has the John Williams "Galaxy's Edge Symphonic Suite" in the background.
When you go to Universal, you step directly into Diagon Alley and Hogsmede, places I have seen in the movies for years. What is a Blackspire Outpost? Disney should have made an entire Star Wars Park with separate "lands" for each trilogy rather than wedge Galaxy's Edge into Hollywood Studios. 😕
@@gregr3720 Disneyland has no room. Its impressive they fit it in there tbh
@@gregr3720 True but in Disneyland proper theres less space. Not much was there before. DCA is a mess. The new marvel land isnt very good lol. And pixar pier didnt really add much. Tomorrowland also needs a redo badly
That'd be _amazing!_ It'd make it even easier to pretend the sequels don't exist too!
My main issue with Galaxy's Edge is the cast theming is way too one sided with everyone in rebel character.
When we went to Galaxy's Edge area of the park, my brother and I wanted to find a place to buy first order themed merch- we asked a cast member who roleplayed us about getting rebel merch instead and how the first order was bad. We didn't have kids with us, we just wanted to find a shirt to buy, there was hardly anything first order or 'bad guy' themed to buy in Galaxy's Edge, sucked.
I went this year they had a first order gift shop in the first order area of the park. Had a bunch of first order weapons and armor as themeing
That’s what I like to see, better late than never! :D
Having just gotten back from there. I dont mind the theming. Its the layout and pricing. It is essentially a Shopping mall looking like Star Wars with a couple of rides thrown in to call it a park. It needs more rides and more space. It also doesnt help with the Galactic Cruiser hotel announcing pricing in the astronomical amounts. 6k for a family of 4 for 2 night. THey need to add to the land, get more rides and incorporate new lands and stories and I think it will do better.
This is it. Changing it to look like Endor or Yavin or some place from the movies that TH-camrs like isn't going to matter in the slightest if it still just has two rides and a load of shops with really expensive merch.
There's nothing wrong with basing it on the sequel trilogy if they actually put work into building the lore and history of Batuu to make it feel like you're really in a hideout for hired guns and smugglers just looking for a way to make a buck in a galaxy that has found itself in yet another war.
I disagree. The original Wizarding World had 2 rides, multiple shops and restaurants all on much less space and was and still is a massive success. C'mon when Cars Land beats Star Wars the problem is far deeper than quantity.
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Honestly I can not believe they are not doing a cloud city hotel. Its far more obvious.
@@dannielz6 3 rides for origional Wizarding world. Dragon coaster, Gryphon coaster, and Hogwarts dark ride. That's a really good range of rides too as there is something for everyone.
Cars land is one of the best themed areas out of any theme park. So don't say like that beating Star Wars is a shocker. The issue is the Falcon ride is just a video game and they should have added the ride a bantha ride they had planned. That and it does need music in the area. The area itself is amazingly well themed and feels like you are on a planet in Star Wars. Retheming it wouldn't change anything.
You really hit the nail on the head when you said "the problem with the sequel trilogy is I don't believe what's going on, I don't buy what I'm seeing". EXACTLY!!! Right from the start you have this mega empire 2.0 where didn't we destroy that in the FINAL victory of the originals? And so much along those lines, destroying planets is really "here we go again, but how?!" And...The Force is some far off myth that's just a legend of, what, thirty years ago? Etc etc....it just wasn't believable.
Indeed. The proportions of the OT should have shifted; a large republic (with an upstarting Jedi academy) against a small fragmented leftover Empire. Just like Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. Instead it seemed like nothing changed after the emperor was defeated.
TFA was arguably the worst film in the series for this reason, the republic getting replaced with the "resistance" and the empire facing literally no consequence for being blown up and having all of it's chief architects killed of was a rotten foundation to start the entire series, and was unfixable. Unfortunately because of all the pandering and fan service in TFA it usually gets a pass as being the most "okay" of the sequel trilogy but in my opinion it's lack of taking any risks is exactly why it's the most god awful.
And now we have to get a reminder of DISNEY'S Star Wars rip off (That's what it really is) every time we visit their SW land. I can imagine everyone involved probably regrets theming for the sequels.
@@R0NYFL0NY I agree. TFA is remicrowaved meatloaf. Sure it tastes familiar, but in a very bland and predictable way. Considering how JJ Abrams handled the Star Trek Reboot, it is quite clear that he just likes to remicrowave sci-fi classics and add in too much lens flair. While I do think that The Last Jedi has many problems, it at least was trying to cover new ground and set things up for an interesting third film. Too bad JJ Abrams handled the blank slate he got from Johnson with as much grace as a herd of Banthaas on an ice rink. The Rise of Skywalker was both too bloated in its scope (seems like JJ Abrams wanted to do a two party finale ala Harry Potter) and wasted too much time on irrelevant plot holes (cut out half the planets in your video game style fetch quest). Also reviving Palpatine was the worst part of the expanded universe as it undercut so much of episode 6. Overall I think the biggest problem is having dueling directors and no unified creative vision. For all of the flak given to the prequels, Lucas had a unified vision. Honestly they should have just hired Peter Jackson and given him enough creative freedom to make it a masterpiece.
@BK Beatty yep. The problem is that JJ Abrams doesn't have any creativity when it comes to sci fi. Look at the Star Trek reboot movies. They are literally remicrowaved versions of the older Star Trek films. If you want someone who can do an epic justice, go with Peter Jackson.
I would maybe even like a little prequel section too! For all of the...interesting problems of the prequels, they had a lot of interesting planet designs! Naboo, Coruscant, Geonosis, Kamino. There’s some neat stuff!
I do miss many of those planets, especially the ones with actual large cities. I would like to see a live-action take of Christophsis or Mandalore.
Plus phase 2 clone armor just looks so bad ass. I know when I saw episode three in theaters I made my dad get me a ton of clone trooper toys
Yeah. George Lucas might be horrible at writing dialogue, but his world building in the Prequels is amazing (minus the mediclorians bit but he dropped that after episode 1)
Naboo would be the way to go! Especially since it carries a lot of real inspiration from Spanish and Italian cities
@@jonathanbowers8964 George Lucas isn't horrible at writing dialogue
Now THAT is a re-theme I would be on board with.
It seems to me that Disney is attempting to fix perception of the sequel trilogy through The Mandalorian, and while I do find the show to be quite good, I'm unsure if they could really salvage the mess that's already been made. This retheme would fix all of that.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Agreed
How awesome would that be instead of rise of the resistance it’s the second death star blowing up and when you leave it’s a big celebration
Disclaimer: I have not been to Galaxy’s Edge but I really don’t have the urge to. I was watching the Mandalorian over again and happened upon the GE special that came out with all the celebrities telling you about it. Near the end, fans are let in and some are crying when they see the Millennium Falcon for the first time. The whole time I’m thinking, yeah they’re emotional but it’s because they’re thinking about Han, Luke and Leia. They aren’t getting emotional seeing Rey’s Falcon
Honestly Rise of the Resistance is totally worth it, best ride I've ever been on. Other than that yeah pretty disappointing. Smugglers Runk is also ok tho, better than god damn star tours and its pretty immersive.
The Falcon kind of got ruined for me because of the radar dish.
Sometimes I wish I couldn't tell the difference between the old Falcon and the new one
@@Ash-uf4fv I went into Rise with mixed thoughts, expecting to not enjoy it because of its theming, but as soon as that ride started moving, I knew I was in for a treat
It’s overrated
The narrative and sequence of events gets repetitive, it relies too much on screens which kills the illusion and it always needs maintenance that of which is rarely provided
On top of that I have no interest in seeing a dark ride based on the sequels especially if I have to fly down to see it. An OT era one with a menacing Darth Vader animatronic? That’s a different story
Because the sequels are essentially a remake of the OT that just confirms the importance of the OT Era but at the same time it’s a conflict of interest
1) having a beat for beat remake as a sequel changes the story of the early installment for the worst
2) we know that the ot era is the one that everyone appreciates therefore why waste time and resources with the “remake”
Honestly point 2 and what Disney basically did with Star Wars is akin to Disney permanently swapping out their attractions and meet and greet characters based on their animated classics with that of their live action remakes
The worst part? This isn't the first cultural Sci-fi icon to be given a "land". Las Vegas had Star Trek the experience and it was emersive , You were in Quark's Bar , You were on the Enterprise D. Fans want to step right into the fantasy they know, they want to live it. What is Batu? Why do I want to go there? As a fan I never imagined what it would be like to be there. This just doesn't work. Attraction that existed 12 years ago in a Vegas hotel put Galaxy's edge to shame.
Galaxy's Edge is like the Wizard of Oz with neither the Emerald City nor the munchkin village.
So... corn fields?
Pretty much!
Maybe frequent appearances by an original character called the Wicked Witch of the South-West, a distant relative
The First Order's probably doing a bunch of sponsorships for RAID: Shadow Legends to pay for Starkiller base
They got an email from palpatine reading “hey first order it’s me palpatine old emperor of the empire and if you make me a new clone I’ll give you guys undefined wealth, not a scam!”
I remember growing up how much I dreamed about one day going to a Star Wars amusement park. Disney somehow managed to screw it up so badly by replacing the setting I envisioned with an unrecognizable corporate brand that cares more about merchandise than immersion.
Can't believe how badly Disney missed the mark on star wars.
I have been to the new land dozens of times and there is a divide among people and age groups. The youngest of teens seem more into it without reservation. The older teens enjoy it but with reservations and the adults who remember the original trilogy don't know what to think.
@@orlandotouristtraps7410 I was just there in August and I totally agree. I’m 20 and I totally felt myself wanting to like it but everytime I was ready to cross the line to say it was awesome but then I remembered the sequel theming around me. I think a re-skin is the way to go. Plus when I went all the cool prequel and OT merchandise was gone because of the supply issues
@@BrerRabbit1992 It is very interesting to hear your opinion of Black Spire. And to be honest. A reskin could be very inexpensive and is more of a shift in mindset than anything. They have been almost religious in their impressiveness efforts. They just need to let that go a bit, add characters and merch and add even just a small attraction that is a full nod to the original trilogy.
This could be even just a small walk through loop outdoor museum park/selfie park or something I have long wanted to see, a walk through either stables or zoo with animatronic animals and aliens. There are so many they could choose for it and they don't need to do all of them.
BTW there is talk of a new and larger Star wars bar. That could very well be the new attraction themed to the original trilogy. But at the end of the day I don't believe they give a damn what we think LOL.
@@BrerRabbit1992 so the issue here isn't the land itself but your aversion to the ST. That sounds more like a you problem.
@@stoves5877 The difference is the OT is nearly universally beloved and acclaimed, whereas the ST is...controversial among fans, to put it nicely
Great take on this whole topic. While Galaxy’s edge is cool, it feels really hollow in theming. Disneyland is usually so great with immersion in the parks. I feel like it is because of the “hollowness” of the sequel trilogy. Original trilogy or even slightly before would be a great timeline to set it in. Maybe take place during rebels (still see all the characters but before the empire fell)
Is Rebels worth watching? I've seen all of Clone Wars and enjoyed it, but people seem to think that Rebels is inferior.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I’m actually in season 3 of rebels and I think it’s amazing so far. After you get past season one, it has way a way better plot and lore than clone wars. It also follows some clone wars characters. Super awesome so far.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Yes! Especially if you are watching the Mandalorian era od Disney plus shows. Try to knock it out before 2023. Rebels has some really great iconic moments that still resonate with me to this day.
Rebels is so hit or miss for fans that doing the OT would be best bet. I dont know anyone who dislikes them. Some people prefer sequels or prequels. But everyone loves the ot
From what I’ve read on a couple Disney forums part of the reason for Flight of Passage has such long wait times is because of the ride system has a overheating problem. So instead of two theaters running at once the staff as to switch between the two every few hours or the system over heats leading to a evacuation of both rides. The manufacturer is a flight sim group that was used to their equipment only running for a few hours a day and failed to consider the fact it would be running 10+ hours with no brakes.
I’m really surprised the hotel isn’t even og trilogy considering anyone with enough money to stay there is also old enough to grow up with the 3 ogs
Great point, joe mama.
I really enjoyed Galaxy’s Edge in DL. I like your ideas on re-theming and think it would improve an already amazing immersive experience. With regards to the prequels becoming more popular as time has passed I feel most of the credit needs to go to Dave Filoni and his series of cartoons that really created the universe that backs up the prequels.
I think you're definitely correct in saying that. I also believe the sequel trilogy has helped highlight what makes the prequels so great though. Despite their issues, they at least feel like a real artistic vision. I remember when The Force Awakens came out, everyone was talking about how great it was, but when I went and saw it, I couldn't stop thinking about how I'd rather be watching the prequels.
@@PoseidonEntertainment The main problem with The Force Awakens is that it's a remake of Episode IV without doing anything new really. It's nostalgia baiting for the sake of it. It's Episode IV but bigger. The death star? There's a whole death star planet! Whoooaaaahhhh!!!! At least Last Jedi tried something new by going in a unique and interesting direction. There was an artistic vision there even if you didn't like it (I did). But then Rise of Skywalker was so afraid that people would stop paying attention that it went back to nostalgia baiting for the sake of it and purposely retconned a lot of what made Last Jedi interesting. Why are Lando and the Emperor here? Because they're characters you already know. There's no vision there. It's Episode VI but BIGGER! Instead of a Death Star, there's a whole fleet of Death Star ships. And instead of the Emperor doing lightning magic, he does a whole huge lighting attack that wipes out ships.
This nostalgia baiting for the sake of it is at the heart of what makes Disney so late stage capitalist right now. They're cashing in on their reputation as much as possible because they know people will continue buying their merchandise and coming to their parks. This is seen in the general laziness of everything they're doing. Remaking old movies. Commenting on their usual style (the line "If you start singing I'm going to throw up" from Moana made me gag). The sheer laziness in the parks: the lack of entertainment and atmosphere, not paying to adequately maintain attractions, the laziness of new attractions, charging more for less (as in the Boo Bash). Buying up so many properties so that they can cash in on other people's stories. Disney owns over a third of the market share of the entertainment industry. There's so many examples of this. Bob Iger started it and Bob Chapek is continuing it.
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To be fair on TLJ, it’s been thoroughly dissected as a poorly written and directed movie.
Rian had a vision for the movie and forced the franchise to work around it. Not only this, but he didn’t follow the previous movie (Poe literally just blew up StarKiller base yet is isn’t trusted by Haldo, the fact TFO was taking over the galaxy after TFA’s victory in destroying StarKiller base, etc.) which is a necessity for writing a cohesive trilogy of movies.
You can totally still enjoy the movie as it is, hell, I enjoy the first Suicide Squad! That said, praising the movie for what it wanted to do is definitely the incorrect move since what it wanted to do was tank the trilogy for the sake of poorly thought out themes and vision. :/
Dave Filoni is a hack
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"Dave Filoni is a hack"
How so?
Still massively perplexing that it wasn't OT especially after Disney's experience with Cars land and Pandora of placing you into the movie. Or after Universals success with Harry Potter.
Galaxys Edge is a Major disappointment.
I agree, though it's been reported that Kathleen Kennedy pushed for this land to be sequel themed. I get that it was in development for quite a while, but surely Disney would have noticed when the sequels started getting pushback for their poor film making?
The problem with Galaxy's Edge was the cut elements. Disney spent a lot of time at Knotts Berry Farm taking notes on Ghost Town Alive and wanted to mimic that model in Galaxy's Edge. Stages and platforms are built throughout the land for characters to be present on and interaction. And that table service restaurant with a live show would make it a place to visit.
The roaming droids and stunt shows throughout the land would have added much needed life. The only element they would need to create would be something for guests to interact with a la Harry Potter's wands. Give people the opportunity to use "the Force" on things.
And it was clear Kathleen Kennedy has no idea what she is doing never mind Abrams and Johnson
@@MrWill9002 Well, she does _have_ an idea... it's just that it's an idea spawned from a cocktail of egotism and poisonous, wokist spite rather than reverence and understanding of Lucas' universe.
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper And a desperate attempt to make the Sequel Trilogy work
@@MrWill9002 I forgot about that, but yeah that is also a definite element.
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper I mean sure she can have it be a new planet and be part of a trilogy but she needs to know HOW. And she clearly has no clue how.
Although a retheme to the original trilogy would be fantastic for guest experience and worthwhile for Disney, it will never happen as the current execs are only willing to do the bare minimum to make as much profit as possible. As long as people visit galaxy's edge and Disney makes money from it, it will not change (except for a possible mandalorian expansion, which Disney would also do the bare minimum for in order to have an attendance boost and sell more baby yoda merch)
Setting it during the galactic civil war era gives you a ton of freedom.
As long as they are careful, they can sell merch and use any characters starting g at the Solo movie all the way through to mandalorian. Solo, Rebels(also gives access to clone wars characters like ahsoka and maul), rogue one, fallen order game, original trilogy, battlefront campaign, mandalorian.
So much more freedom for merch, characters and theming.
The only thing you have to do is make sure certain characters are not out at the same time.
P.s
Also, watch rebels. Its very good overall. Starts out weak like clone wars but gets incredible as it goes.
I like Clone Wars, so I'll definitely check out Rebels
Also the new disney Story group does a great Job with the new Books and the high Republic where they will have more creative freedom. I think there great things comming for disney-starwars like bad batch and book of boba fett, and the other shows to come.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I was so disappointed with the new star wars movies that I haven't even bothered to see the last 2. And the fact that Disney made the huge mistake by not using the original trilogy for the theme of the land was just another Huge mistake. I'm glad I found your channel, your honest and very precise problems with all that Disney is screwing up with it's decisions about the theme parks. Keep up the great content 👍
Thanks, I appreciate the support!
Just wanted to chime in that I shared your reaction to Ep7. I never went back to see Ep8 or Ep9 or any other Disney Corp Star Wars paid in a theatre. I did see Solo and was moved by the film. But, I saw "Solo" in First Class on a long-distance flight on the airline's small LCD tablet with my 2 yo son in the next seat sleeping. Hardly, a cinematic experience to see "Solo" and totally was a "solo" experience. The point of the theme park is to jointly experience immersive environments together as a family. Disney Corp is suffering on it's top line because it's not thinking about how to support family experiences as much as the elderly Boomers who have no children in the park but spend much $$$.
The original trilogy events are big historic moments in the sequel trilogy. They could make a ride that is an "attraction" with in the world of Star Wars where Galactica citizens can be immerse in a simulation of these "real" events.
I think it needs to be rethemed, but *not* to the original trilogy, but rather the series as a whole. That's one of the reasons why Wizarding World works so well at Universal, it has no set timeframe in the universe, allowing for all merch and food sales to make perfect sense, and it allows all the rides to be set whenever the heck they want.
So, for Galaxy's Edge, you can have the actual land themed to the series as a whole, then the individual rides take place at certain points. You can have Rise of the Resistance still set in the sequel era, you can have Smuggler's Run set in the OT era and replace Hondo with Jabba, and you can have a pod race launch coaster set in the prequel era.
I like this! Keep Rise. But change the cantina and Falcon ride to OT.
As someone who was both a Star Wars fan (emphasis on the WAS. Thanks Disney) and an annual passholder for the first seven months of Galaxy’s Edge’s existence, it gets old real quick. I had a blast on my first visit, but there’s nothing new to see after that. After the first few weeks of hype wore down, I (and seemingly most other guests) rarely visited Galaxy’s Edge. Even after Rise of the Resistance opened the land was always empty. There’s simply nothing more to see once you’ve looked at the surface level. It hasn’t always been that way either, as evidenced by the lasting popularity of pretty much every other land in the park. Why should someone visit an expensive shopping mall with delusions of grandeur when they can go ride Pirates of the Caribbean, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, or any number of other high quality*, reridable classics?
*Note, the rides were high quality THEN. Chapek has slashed budgets to the point that you’d be better off going to Six Flags for an immersive and reliable ride experience.
You can still be a Star Wars fan.... a Legends fan. The one good thing about no new Legends content is that it's actually feasable to try to experience most of it now.
Although I’m a big Star Wars fan, I kind of agree with the direction they took in this case. It’s harmless enough that anyone can approach it, even if you never watched any of the movies or if you only watched the sequel trilogy, which, let’s be honest, a lot of children have only watched the new movies unless their parents are big fans of the OG trilogy.
Star Wars isn’t as easy to translate as Hogwarts, Hogsmeade and Diagon alley. The galaxy is too ample and it’s impossible to please everyone.
It’s not perfect and it’s still in its infancy, there’s plenty of room for growth. When TWWoHP opened it had 3 attractions, the castle which was amazing, even though everything felt plastic, the ride of the Hypogriff which was a tiny roller coaster for kids and the repurposed Triwizard tournament dragon challenge with very little theming, with only the triwizard cup in the middle of the queue to establish what it was. Everything else was also cutely decorated stores and it still made me cry out of excitement.
The intention to theme everything is there. It’s just a bigger challenge.
While I think it would be *nice* if the land was re-themed, there's absolutely no way they'd do it. You mention swapping things out as if they're easy or cheap, but in reality they are not
It might not be cheap but let's not pretend Disney can't afford it either. They won't, cause it's expensive, but they could if they had to.
I wish Disney would acknowledge the prequel trilogy especially seeing as that trilogy is really popular right now
Personally I don't think it needs to be rethemed, I just think that it needs to be more immersive. They need aliens in Ogas being social and being part of the story, as if they're locals hanging out. The interactivity of your progress from Smugglers Run would be great, and if a bounty hunter actually engaged you, as originally proposed would happen, would be fantastic. They need droids moving about in the land. The merch should be better designed to fit a planet from another galaxy. It would be cool if everyone mission on Smugglers Run was different, like they do on Star Tours. They could easily change out the First Order ship for a TIE fighter, or more generic transport, change the dish on top of the Millennium Falcon, and at different times of the year switch between the OT and sequels. It wouldn't be that expensive, and they could cover a lot of fandom and lore. The only difficult thing would be implementing more prequel lore.
Hi, We're Disney, and we own some of the most iconic and recognizable characters of all time. Let's throw them away for these unknowns. That should be good for business.
Thats exactly how Kathleen Kennedy's mind seems to work!
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I think it would be cool for the different Disney parks to have different eras. Like Orlando can be orignal trilogy and Anaheim could be prequel trilogy.
Didn’t has too many direct clones. Even if they had the save underlying ride mechanics it would be a cool reason to one day visit the other parks across the country or in France/Asia.
Probably would add cost on Disney’s end but I think it would be worth it for them. They could even use it in advertising like “gotta see them all”. This variation would give fans more to see while costing Disney less than making new areas.
The park (WDW) is awesome but I’d definitely prefer it to either be based around the OT or The Mandalorian. I’m not a sequels fan at all (TFA is alright) but being based around the sequels hampered it slightly for me. I hate the way the first order stormtroopers look. RotR is fun but again hampered by the sequel skin of the ride. How can I take Hux seriously in the ride when he was an absolute buffoon in the movies? Not too mention a lot of the dialogue is cringe much like the films lol. But again the ride is still fun but it should be the empire.
Yeah... about Hux. If this attraction takes place between episodes 8 and 9, then we know exactly what happens to him and what kind of shallow, annoying character he is. It makes his impact in the attraction non-existent. If I liked him as a character, then maybe I would be excited to see him. Definitely agree with your point.
I'd honestly also love to see a prequel galaxy's edge as well. Battle droids would be awfully hard to work, but you could have a pod-racing coaster and full-size versions of iconic SW ships. The OG trilogy deserves theming though.
Haven't even started the video and I fully agree lol.
Now that I think about it, it would be easy. Just change the screen footage, the costumes, and the decor. The hardest part would be changing the space ships completely associated with the sequel era like that first order ship, and redressing the animatronics.
One problem, companies like Disney have been pretty obsessive lately about trying to convince people to ditch the past, and are very stubborn about it too. If how they’ve been treating Luke’s character in recent years, I don’t think they want to put him a position for people to like him.
Ironically, the Sequel Trilogy is so aesthetically similar to the Original that it would be relatively easy to re-theme Rise of the Resistance as 'Rise of the Rebellion'.
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Disney should have followed Universals model and created multiple Star Wars lands each based in a different trilogy in a different park. It was the only way to appeal to all Star Wars fans on both sides of the Original trilogy and Disney Trilogy rift (plus I would have loved to see a packed OT land and an empty DT land lol).
Exactly and maybe add the clone wars land as well and a area for the mandalorian as well.
Even with the re-theming from the "sequel" to "original" trilogy, I would like to at least hope that there'll be a few hints of the prequel trilogy here and there (like the appearances of Mace Windu, Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Maul, and (if given a 2nd chance) Jar Jar Binks, either as meet & greet characters or as merchandise figures or busts)
It's odd to me that Disney avoids the prequels. Its merch sold incredibly well and while there was quite a vocal distaste for the films for years, that has since died out and been replaced by a more positive reception.
yes exactly!! i hate how disney tries to pretend like the prequels never happened, they're my favorites. I just want to meet anakin and ahsoka in galaxy's edge :(
@@asudevil316 cry about it, but you can't avoid the truth
@@asudevil316 Andrew called the prequels objectively *bad* films, but I guess u disagree with that sense everything he said was wrong. Revenge of the Sith is def one of the most popular Star Wars movies, u can’t deny that. The Clone Wars is by far the most celebrated Star Wars tv show ever, and for many it rivals the original trilogy. A lot of the era has some of the most popular characters in Star Wars: Obi-Wan (in his prime), Anakin (who was redeemed by the Clone Wars), Ahsoka, Maul, Rex, and many other characters that may not be considered favorites but are still loved. Nonetheless. If you wanna sit here and say that’s wrong, idk what to tell u. Since u love defending that shitty sequel trilogy, tell me what that era does better than the prequel era.
Edit: I meant FN-1701 at the top
@@asudevil316 u can have ur own opinion but it’s not a very popular one. I don’t know how you could say that the prequel era is less popular than the sequel era
ideas for galaxys edge:
The entrance is shaped like a capital ship, with all 3 eras in walkways shaped like hyperspace tunnels
Prequel era:
The prequel section would predominantly be themed around coruscant, with the lower levels also represented
Dexters diner would serve multiple dishes
The jedi temple would be able to be entered, with a interactive yoda AI and a immersive jedi traning game
There would be a area for a republic armory with multiple clone troopers across the entire section, there would be multiple games able to be played by using the clones DC-15 blasters to hit multiple targets in a 3d environment based on the clones training on kamino
Other attractions could be based on the multiple duels throughout the prequels, the opening space battle of episode 3 and the genosis arena from episode 2
Gift shop would be focused around this specific era
Meet and greets here would be Anakin skywalker, Obi wan, Darth Maul, ashoka and general grievous
OT Era:
Area would be themed around mos eisley, with a cantina for dining with a real bith band
Multiple imperial officials and troopers can be found across the area
The millennium falcon can instead be found in mos eisley spaceport
A attraction based on the endor speeder bike chase can be found near the entrance, with guests able to ride on a immersive speeder bike
other attractions could be based on yodas dagobah training, luke and vaders duel and dogfights inside the falcon
Gift shop would be focused around this specific era
Meet and greets here would be darth vader,boba fett, emperor palpatine,c3po, r2d2 and luke skywalker
Sequel trilogy would stay relatively the same to what it is now.
I agree! They should just abolish all signs of the sequels. Disney is already starting to distance themselves from his them too, so I can maybe see this happening in the later future.
The sequel films feel so artificial and I think this carries over into the land itself.
A re-themed Galaxy’s Edge would be so awesome. Some of my favorite trips to Disneyworld was when I was attending Star Wars Weekends Celebration. Original characters in a exclusive Star Wars parade. Original trilogy actors signing autographs and putting on special panels where they talk about their experiences working on the classic movies. Star Wars stage shows with a DJ during the exclusive fireworks. Plus I loved the exclusive Weekends gift shops where you can pick up exclusive merchandise. Today’s Galaxy Edge has none of that fun and interactive excitement. If we were to get a new Original Trilogy Galaxy’s Edge it would feel like Star Wars Weekends 7 days a week
Completely agree! Star wars weekends we're the best. I wish the parks still did that or at least had that same feel to them
The current galaxy's edge is beautiful and engaging, just not as familiar as the old star wars locations. They could find a way to incorporate the old with the new or just create compelling new content and movies to give the land meaning. I was at Galaxy's Edge last night and it was plenty busy and while I still have no idea where Black Spire Outpost is supposed to be it is an awesome place to visit especially at night. It does need more attractions though.
They don't have to be a 150 million dollar rides. Why not add another larger bar with fake smoke small plates and tapas that people can actually go into and enjoy live alien music in. Or have a walk through museum of alien artifacts and history. And yes the museum can have a gift shop as well so both of these attractions would generate revenue. They could use the Harry Potter wand concept to have some kind of alien device everyone will want to buy that does something if only within that one attraction.
How is it engaging? I see a lot to buy and look at but not a lot to do.
@@DerekBlock I understand and can respect where you are coming from because a person with a fat wallet and another who left their wallet at home or are just saving their money are going to walk away having had two different experiences.
For me personally I am in awe of the artistry and scale of the land itself and the beauty of it all even if I dislike all the newest star war movies and I'm not going to pay hundreds for a light saber and plastic droid. I find myself looking at every building and its adornments. I even look at the welds on metal railings all the distressed and weathered effects on buildings, spaceships and doorways. Just ignore all the greed and wokeness of the current Star Wars brand and walk through black spire outpost with fresh eyes and you will see it in a completely different way.
Another point about the sequel's not aging as well as the prequels is that I don't think the kids who are growing up with in the sequel era are actually into those movies. The only evidence I have for this is the abysmal toy sales for anything sequel related.
As much as I want this to happen it never will. Even if they did spend the money to do it, it still won’t work because of Smuggler’s Run and Rise of the Resistance. They’re both too integrated in the sequel trilogy and would absolutely make no sense to be there if the land was rethemed.
As someone who rolls their eyes at the mention of Star Wars, the land isn’t accessible to us that only know the OG trilogy. Keep it simple and familiar for everyone not just hard core fans
Except, the hard core fans (the ones who were into the works outside of the films: books, comics, video games) generally hate the sequel trilogy too, often to the point of refusing to give it any validity as a sequel and instead call it the "Disney trilogy".
Have the Mandolorian walk around with Grogu in a bag!
Disney fails to understand that people love Star wars NOW because they loved the original Trilogy. EVERYONE loves the original trilogy!! Disney is messed up.
I was kinda disappointed that Disney did a theme park land than a full-blown theme park! I definitely want a big full-blown theme park based on the STAR WARS franchise that covers everything in a galaxy far far away!
Same. Theres so much yhat can be done from the stories to the lore its self. Who wouldnt want to visit jaba palace with to look down at a growling rancor and run into bounty hunters and creatures. Just sop much.
I've seen both in California and Florida. They're definitely fun, but could have been absolutely amazing with the original trilogy material.
I will say the Rise Of The Resistance ride is amazing though, to be fair.
I know this isn’t the correct park, but wouldn’t it be cool if they made space ship earth into the Death Star? And made the ride inside another Star Wars themed ride.
The problem is bigger than a re-theming. Making everything look like the OT would appeal to people over 25 more, sure, but it wouldn't address the bigger problem, which is that Star Wars as a brand and universe matters less and less to younger people in general. Kids largely don't care. They didn't just not care about the sequel trilogy (despite adults dragging them to theaters), they don't watch and rewatch the originals and prequels as Gen X and Millennials did. They just don't care as much. They think the Star Wars films are fine, but don't obsess over them, don't care about the merchandise, etc. Their attachment to Star Wars is largely due to their parents' nostalgia... So LONG TERM, the smarter move on Disney's part currently is to push Galaxy's Edge towards Mandalorian and other coming Disney+ content. That's the only place they've generated new interest and merch sales.
No, kids still love the OG Star Wars. They just aren't interested in buying the Sequel merchandising that Disney keeps pushing on them.
Johnson didn't make bizarre decisions. He was HANDED BIZARRE AND HOLLOW PREMISES by JJ Abrams, who introduced a bunch of things with no plan for them. The options Johnson had were to continue with the "soft reboot" approach of The Force Awakens, or try to salvage some meaning from the hand he was dealt. He did the latter. And Trevorrow's script, had he been kept on, would have made good on a lot of things Johnson did (and honored the other trilogies). It was much better than what we got. Instead, fearful Disney listened to toxic fans (not critics and the general public) to reverse course and retcon everything. With Rise of Skywalker, JJ retconned not only The Last Jedi, but his own first movie, along with aspects of the original and prequel trilogies. The number of people who don't focus on this and blame Johnson for everything is just ridiculous.
I agree, in that The Last Jedi feels somewhat like a creative vision to me, at least compared to the Abrams films. That being said, I think that destroying Luke's entire character arc from the original films was an extremely poor decision, something which I don't think was in the plans. I also feel that anything that isn't Rey and Luke related is just boring in this film.
@@PoseidonEntertainment I agree with parts of that, but again, it's Abrams who set that story in motion. Johnson just had to try to salvage it. Abrams decided Luke had abandoned Leia and the Resistance and Abrams offered no good reason why. Johnson (rightly) deduced the only reason Luke Skywalker would do such a thing would be from a feeling of failure.
A lot of it is covered in this piece here. I think you'd appreciate it. I just don't think a lot of people account for how much Johnson's hands were tied. th-cam.com/video/IrMM33uHAo8/w-d-xo.html
Really? The old "toxic fans, RrrrEeEeE!" argument again? Yes, Abrams had a terrible plan (he's the cinematic antichrist for a reason) and yes, the Trevorrow script sounds MUCH better than tRoS (from what I've heard of it), but the "critics" (if you mean the professional critics) tended to suck off TLJ like there was no tomorrow and all-round supported Ruin Johnson's spiteful attacks on people who didn't agree with destroying Luke's character, killing off Snoke before we really knew anything about him, including Holdo and her infamous hyperspeed ram, etc. The entire "sequel" trilogy was a bust from beginning to end and NOTHING could have saved it from JJ's "mystery box" scams, RJ's spiteful trolling just to get his own trilogy vanity project and Kennedy's misandrist hatred of Lucas' works.
@@Wanten-the-stormtrooper Yes, the toxic fans. The ones who bullied Kelly Marie Tran offline. The toxic fans who make some of the same arguments you're making here.
Even when JJ himself got a chance to explain Snoke's origins, he was like "meh, clones?" There WAS no plan for Snoke. Snoke was a useless echo of Palpatine. Johnson deduced that and disposed of him, and in so doing solidified the real villain (and far more interesting character) in Kylo. He didn't want a trilogy about the redemption of a guy who oversaw a bunch of planets blowing up and then killed Han Solo. He ended with Kylo Ren as the big bad.
It's not spiteful trolling to make those moves. It's storytelling with a purpose and toward a goal. He didn't "destroy" Luke-he was forced to come up with a reason Luke would have ever abandoned the cause, which Abrams had sloppily determined for him. Abrams handed him a story where Luke had abandoned the Resistance and was sad to see Rey when she got there and held out his father's lightsaber. That's what Rian HAD TO START WITH. He decided the ONLY reason Luke might step back would be that he felt like he'd failed personally and had lost faith.
Rian is right about that, but it's still an attempt to salvage a faulty premise that he did not create. And he'd say the same. Regardless, Luke is a badass in TLJ. He comes to himself, faces down the First Order, shows incredible new mastery of Jedi powers, and promises to haunt the bad guy. If episode 9 had run with that, it would have been great.
And Kennedy has no hatred of Lucas or his works. She's worked with him and Spielberg since the 70's. She's a great producer... just not a storytelling one. She never should have been brought in as a Kevin Feige figure because that's not her. But to call that "misandry" is precisely the sort of shit toxic fans say. Put your fragility aside.
Reactions like yours which so lack narrative cohesion and so misapply blame are exactly why we got TROS. Thank yourself for that. Kennedy was set to produce Duel of Fates until people like you flipped out.
@@monovision566 Yeah, no. The Kelly Marie Tran thing was a lie; if you actually looked it up rather than trusting the shill media, then you'd learn that no-one bullied her off Twitter. Yeah, JJ's a hack who never answers anything he sets up with his stupid mystery boxes and ep. VII was a rip-off of ep. IV, but that does not excuse Kennedy of blame or deny her dislike at least of Star Wars and its fans. If she did like Star Wars, she'd have kept Lucas' original plans for the sequels instead of helping Iger stab him in the back.
Mos Eisley Cantina Café that just plays the Mos Eisley Cantina Theme Non-Stop.
You just made me wish there was SWTOR music in Galaxy’s Edge instead
It does fit well, doesn't it?
Would've been a lot STRONGER under the ORIGINAL TRILOGY banner. Strong like the O.T story (as opposed to a tragic mess!)
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P.p.s what you say on prequels vs sequels is absolutely spot on!
Though ropey dialogue and not many practical effects and sets etc (CGI overload) the story was still always a more solid thread than VII, VIII & IX
Definitely agreed. I know a lot of people argue that Clone Wars fixes a lot of story issues as well, but even if that were to not exist, I still think the prequels have a lot of merit on their own.
Setting visitors into a fascist environment where armed stormtroopers call you out is absolutely the low point of Disney Imagineering, and doing so within our current political environment shows an impeccable talent for doing the wrong thing in the most tasteless way imaginable.
The whole concept needs to be abandoned. Filmic background music is absolutely needed in this area. The whole excuse that "this is reality" falls apart if there's background music ON THE RIDES. There's GOT to be a waterfall added and some movement. Being in a place so focused on space and yet knowing that a space ship will never arrive in the air is only one of the many ways Galaxy's Edge sets everything up to disappoint the returning visitor. It was really cool the first time. Now what?
Does this planet have no festivals or holiday celebrations that might bring seasonal joy to the grimness of the experience, or would that defeat the whole "torture" theme that runs throughout?
You know, I think you have something there. I'm not sure why the entire area isn't roofed/domed over with an LED "sky showing things like that.
You know, I remember as a kid the first year EPCOT opened that we ha no idea what to expect, and as we made our way from Canada to Mexico in World Showcase, night had fallen by the time we got to the Mexico pavilion. When we walked inside the pyramid, we literally thought we had walked back outside. Not just the kids, but the adults too. The "night breezes" and the stars in the sky and the slight clouds we could see in the distance really had us fooled for a couple of minutes, and we had to look closer to realize it was all projected onto the ceilings and walls.
How amazing would it be if Black Spire Outpost had a dome with a sky and could simulate the experience of actually be ON a world with a real, thriving spaceport?
And ok, maybe they don't want to put music from the films piping into that land, but that's all more the more reason to pipe in music that sounds like it belongs in the area. Or better yet, to bring in musicians to play on the streets just like you'll find in any tourist town. Every New York subway was someone playing guitar or violin or saxophone and busking for tips, every port of call for a cruise ship (REAL ports, that is, not their private islands) has local musicians playing local instruments, inviting you to come see their show at some local bar. Galaxy's Edge needs the same thing.
But you are right that if they are playing the music IN THE RIDES and in the lightsaber building experience, then they absolutely have no reason to shy away from playing it in the land.
What I would do is have each land be themed to a different trilogy. Keep the Sequel theming at Anaheim, retheme the land in Florida to the Originals, and have the upcoming version in Paris be themed to the Prequels.
I completely understand why you and many others want a re-theme to the original trilogy, I would love that as well, however I feel like the theming of the new trilogy was successfully integrated and it feel really cool in the context of the new movies! The little callbacks are really cool as well, but whichever route they take, I personally don’t mind the new trilogy theming.
I agree that it should be rethemed. However, I just think the chances of them actually doing this are close to zero. The amount of money they would have to spend gutting out large models and retheming ROTR would turn them off from doing it. Every single trooper in the ROTR pre show would need to be changed. Many of the ships around the land, changed. ROTR's million dollar animations, changed. Its just not likely in the slightest that they would want to commit to such a change.
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Your redo with John Williams themes from the original triology is awesome. You need to redo the entire ride with those Audio Cues and FX!
Original trilogy would have been awesome, but they could have done some pretty cool stuff with the clone wars I think. It would have been cool to see Luke and Han and all the storm troopers on the Death Star, but in my opinion, some of the battles in the clone wars would have been a cooler experience on a ride.
I 100% believe the rumors that GE was designed for the OT timeframe, around Endor-ish but flexible. I think a resetting would be closer to the Haunted Mansion overlay at Disneyland. The town becomes Mos Espa, the spires have to be lightened up a bit and the MFSR pre-show is lead by a Hutt, the Hondo animatronic becomes a protocol droid, heck why not C-3PO. The foliage can be 'sponsored' by Lars Hydro. As for RotR, even easier. Recostume the animatronics and replace Rey/BB-8 with Leia and R2-D2.
Still not sure who the girl always hanging out with Chewbacca is.
Interesting idea, though I personally do like Batuu as a planet. The unknown character you're talking about it named Vi Moradi, a Resistance character created specifically for Galaxy's Edge. She's apparently unpopular because guests don't know who she is. I mean, surprise I guess? Who thought that introducing an unknown and relatively uninteresting character into your new land wouldn't pull interest?
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vi_Moradi
Disney is so in love with their Mary Sue that I don't think they will do the retheme.
I don’t think Galaxy’s Edge should go to just the Original Trilogy, I think it should do the same thing as Avenger’s Campus in DCA where it’s part of its own continuity as well as place it into a time bubble that will allow tons of different characters like Ashoka, Mando, Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, and Darth Vader without needing to abide by the restrictive time period that Disney set the land into.
Every time I go and ride Rise of the resistance I yell boo when Rey comes out… it’s petty but I do it out of love for Star Wars lol
The Sequels really are an albatross around the neck of the Star Wars brand. First I can tell you as somebody that was in my late 20s when the Prequels kicked off people didn't immediately start shitting on them the way they did with the sequels. Yes there were fanboys that didn't like them and there were questionable issues and flaws in them but a sizable portion of the fandom liked them a great deal. And more than half a decade of The Clone Wars tv series only enhanced the perception of the Prequel movies. It also helped that Revenge of the Sith was the highpoint of that series and so the Prequels ended on a high note that was relatively controversy free (NOOOOO and lost the will to live not withstanding). More than that the Prequels truly felt like Star Wars in a way that the Sequels didn't. Everything felt like it all belonged in the same Universe together and it had a reasonably coherent over arching theme and storyline.
Now I've been a Star Wars nerd since I walked out of A New Hope back in 77 thinking it was the coolest thing I'd ever seen as a 5 year old. And the longest 3 years of my life felt like the wait between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi so I can promise you I'm part of the demographic that is supposed to predisposed to hate the Prequels and I just never did. They fit into the Universe like a comfortable pair of jeans. Maybe they were threadbare in a few spots but they belonged. I remember walking out of the Force Awakens feeling...... disappointed. They killed Han in a pointless way, Rey had no backstory, Luke wasn't even in the damn movie except for a few seconds at the end, Kylo Ren seemed like a petulant child and since when does somebody pick up a lightsaber and best a trained Sith, wounded or not?
And they just shit all over a legion of fans that had been devouring expanded universe material since the early 90s. While Lucas chose not to incorporate any of that into the prequels he at least had the good sense not to thumb his nose at the fans who loved it. Clearly the creators of the sequel trilogy decided they knew best how to continue the story of the OT and gave a giant middle finger to everybody who thought otherwise. And then they doubled down on that with The Last Jedi and it bit them in the ass hard. By the time the Rise of Skywalker came out there was really not much that could be done to fix the problem besides scraping it all and starting over.
Which seems to be the persistent rumor behind the franchise these days. Dave and Jon have thrown the Star Wars brand an absolute lifeline that saved it from a certain death and they are doing it by exploring the area of time all the fans wanted to see after the OT and by creating well crafted stories built around likable and well developed characters. As the implications of what the Sequel will mean for these characters as they grow to be more and more popular become obvious I think it will become ever more obvious that Disney will have to borrow a page from their own mishandling of the brand and consign the sequels to legends and create a new canon. Once that die is cast retheming of Galaxy's Edge will become a necessity.
I think that I agree with almost every single point you've made. I do have a minor disagreement that the prequels and OT fit together nicely because the discrepancies in the visual style of the world building has always bothered me, but otherwise you're spot on.
Either that, or find a way to work Mara Jade, and the Yuzang Vong into the disney canon
Perhaps she was in carbonite during the sequels?
Actually, Phantom Menace was a mixed bag. I think everyone loved Liam Neeson and Ewan MacGregor, we all went wild for Maul and the Duel of the Fates, and little Anakin was ok. We just hated the dialogue, Jar Jar Binks (the character), robotic Padme. Hayden was also badly affected by terrible dialogue and directing
I feel like they could replace the first order ship with the razorcrest or something, that would actually get people excited since it's from a star wars property that dosen’t suck
I went to Galaxies Edge the week after it opened to the public. While not empty by the afternoon GE wasn't crowded at all. The lines for the Millennium Falcon ride were short. My first wait in the line was about an hour when I got there at noon. After that all waits were 15-30 minutes and I rode that ride five times that day. The lines at Space Mountain and Matterhorn were longer by mid evening than the Millennium Falcon ride was around mid afternoon.
Honestly, it should've been themed to Naboo, at least for the one in Florida
i appreciate their efforts to make the land and everything in it “canon” however i feel like it would’ve been much cooler if they just made it a STAR WARS themed land, not tied to any one era, but rather a mashup of everything prequel, ot, and sequel. but i know immersion is supposed to be at the forefront of everything they’re doing with star wars :/
George Lucas still owns majority merchandise rights over the o.g trilogy mercy that’s why they’ve tried to lean towards the sequel trilogy in the parks
Do you remember when in Rouge One where we saw the fury of Vader as he tore across a rebel garrison? I want that in my ride.
As do I.
It should’ve been themed that way to begin with. Imagine a ghostbusters attraction based on the 2016 film.
It kinda is like the original trilogy already. The “sequels” just painted the X wing blue and simplified the X-wing and Tie fighter design 🤣. Hell even the AT AT in Rise of the Resistance is the OT model and not the sequel version (likely because they probably copied the one they had on Star Tours). Galaxy’s edge is totally soulless, they just cleared the minimum check marks to make it look good in paper.
And also, all their future projects seem to take place around the og trilogy (or shortly after), while there’s no idea on when we’ll revisit the sequel era again, in around 5 years the park will most likely feel outdated, since those aren’t the characters we are following anymore (you could say the same thing about the og cast but i think they are iconic enough to carry it)
Besides Defunctland and Theme Park History, you make some of the best theme park content
Disney keeps trying to convince us that their era of Star Wars is the one we should be liking. But yeah, it all seems geared toward new fans rather than the millions who have loved Star Wars for over 40 years.
The Droid Depot having BB units would actually still be accurate. The first BB units were made a few years after Endor and were used as therapy droids for Rebellion troopers suffering from PTSD.
I agree on the Galaxy Edge retheme but I disagree on the Rian Johnson take as The Last Jedi felt the least corporate of the three. If you want to see what a corporate star wars movie looks like, look at Rise of Skywalker.
I agree that TLJ was definitely the best of the films because it was a creative vision, but it still wasn't a good film. The blatant character assassination and erasure of Luke's character arc is so forced that I can't even begin to believe it. The film itself does absolutely nothing to advance the story and feels like a waste of time. The sequel films are so poorly crafted that it's just unbelievable to me.
Maybe create a time rift storyline around the land that would enable them to incorporate all three trilogies?
I 10000% agree with you on this video the Disney star wars movies suck. I will even go further to say I get bummed out on star tours when I get stuck with a theme from the new movies. I would love if Disney just paved over their Star Wars movies and pretended as if they never happened
I actually love the idea of an original planet instead of picking one out of the tons of the planets from the movies...
If they picked tattooine, or naboo, or hoth, corrusant... No matter what people will be disappointed.
Like people were disappointed with the Harry Potter locations and Pandora?
@@dw1419 lol you say that as if Harry Potter has more than one iconic location :/
Literally Hogwarts is THE location of the entire series.
@@Courier_333 Universal has Hogwarts castle, yes, but also the Forbidden Forest, Hagrid's hut, Hogsmeade Village with the Three Broomsticks & Hog's Head pub, Honeyduke's candy shop, as well as London-based locations - King's Cross Station, Platform 9 3/4, the Hogwarts Express Train that you can ride, Diagon Alley, Ollivander's Wand Shop, rhe Leaky Cauldron pub, Gringotts Bank... but please tell me more about how Hogwarts is the only HP location haha
@@dw1419 you realize everything you just mentioned is like literally WITHIN walking distance and most of the shit is already at Universal.... Because there's not that many iconic locations.
I don't mean literally it has one location but like c'mon THATS THE BIG ONE. I could name more if you want but you're reaching lmao. Like "oh I'm so sad about never going to the Wheasley's house" said no one ever.
Harry Potter doesn't have dozens of planets that are all iconic in different ways and picking a location for a Harry Potter land is SOOO much easier than picking a star wars location. You have to admit that.
For star wars I genuinely don't know what you would do.
Tattooine seems obvious but all that leaves room for is the cantina and nothing much else
@@Courier_333 All of the places I mentioned are already places you can go at Universal... that's why I mentioned them. I don't think you know what the word "literally" means. First you said "Hogwarts is "literally" THE location of the series" and then admitted it wasn't. You then said all those sites are "literally" within walking distance, which is also incorrect, as if Hogwarts and Hogsmeade were in walking distance of London, there would be no need for the Hogwarts Express. There's nothing stopping Disney from creating multiple Star Wars-based lands like Tatooine, Naboo, etc. if they wanted.
Batuu was actually created by Timothy Zahn for the canon Thrawn trilogy.
Just enjoy it for what it is. Everyone always want it to be what they want. We got an awesome new land, rich in detail and story. Could there be more? Yeah. Will we get more one day? Yes. When visiting Galaxy’s Edge, just visit and enjoy yourself.
Disney's brand of Star Wars IS damaged. Period.
Rise of the Rebellion.
Easy name change.
Indeed.
Personally, I'd really like to see Galaxy's Edge rethemed to be around the late prequel trilogy era. But that's just me. Great video!
The BB units could still be kept. In the expanded universe literature, with the time period after Return of the Jedi, spherical droids were often used as therapy droids and would roll around. Great video! 🐾
Interesting. I haven't explored any Star Wars literature, so I'm not familiar. Is the "expanded universe" the stuff not kept canon?
It being in the furthest forward time point makes sense. That way they can explain any references to everything else. If it were set in the OT, then they wouldn’t be able to add mando related content for instance, because mando happens after the OT.
As much as I am finding your channel to be a hidden jem in the theme park community, I must say that I disagree with this video. My question is that if its considered relatively easy to retheme GE, then whats the point? Like it would just be a retheme of the cosmetics, which would be minor in and of itself. Honestly it seems that from a business perspective it doesnt make sense to shut down the rides and retheme them with minor cosmetic changes in order to sell merch, when the change in merch sales would more than likely be minimal. Besides that casual fans dont really care which era its set in, so changing it would probably be confusing to some. With that being said I found your video very well made and Im now subbed to your channel. I am looking forward to the future of your channel, I really see the potential in your work 👍
You definitely make a good point. I really don't know how well a retheme would affect merch sales, but I'm taking two things into consideration. First, Disney leadership has given me the impression that IP synergy = merch sales through its push for IP based attractions. Obviously I don't have that data, and maybe I'm completely incorrect as to the reasoning for pushing IP, but I know that Chapek made his name through Disney merchandising. Second, if Disney is going to commit so much to the immersion of the land, they really can't just start selling OT merch without it reflecting the land it's in.
All of this being said, I'm not entirely sure Disney even cares to maintain that level of thematic integrity. The lack of interactivity that was originally promised works against the land as a whole. The whole "scan it with your phone" aspect is cheap and is still outshined by Universal's interpretation of The Wizarding World. Even the Super Nintendo Land preview shows next-level interactive elements that makes the wand interactivity gimmicky. For all that Disney promised, they didn't commit and I'm not sure they'll continue to do so with the overall theme if they think they can make more money otherwise.
But, you're right in that I don't really know. As much as I dislike seeing the new films represented because I think they're poorly made, realistically I understand an actual Galaxy's Edge retheme is unlikely.
@@PoseidonEntertainment the fact that I forgot about the scanning app sorta shows how poorly integrated it was into the first place. While I personally love the OT the most I am fine with how GE is set within the ST. Its nice for the kids who are growing up with them right now. I remember seeing a group of little kids who were super excited to see Rey while I was there, it was truly heartwarming. Im actually curious to know, outside of the lore and time period of galaxys edge, what do you think of the land?
I agree that Rey is decently popular, though I attribute that more to Daisy Ridley's charisma as an actress than Rey as a character. Even though I think her character is written poorly, she's still likeable.
Overall, I'm I feel pretty warmly on the land but I think there's a lot of lost potential. I don't have much interest in Avatar as a franchise, but as a land, Pandora absolutely seems like it was crafted with love and care. In contrast, I make the point in the video that Galaxy's Edge feels like a very corporate shopping mall and that I think part of the reason is because the ST films themselves feel like a checklist of things meant to bait people with nostalgia for the OT. Regardless, I would say I like it overall though. My little montage at the beginning of this video reflects how I feel about it. That being said, it feels like there's so much untapped potential.
To elaborate, Smuggler's Run seems like a good idea in theory, but didn't really work out. The mission it presents us with, I find to be kind of boring and considering leaked concept art and footage, originally looked to be far more exciting. As an experience, I also don't think it works because the people you're riding with just kind of sit there and do nothing, or if you're not the pilot, seems to always be piloted by people who have zero ability to do so. We already discussed the lack of interactivity that was originally promised and while I think Rise of the Resistance is pretty good, I'm not nearly as impressed with it as most other people. I discuss that in more depth with this video here: th-cam.com/video/BxQnv4zSxJQ/w-d-xo.html
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On disney + there’s a show called Behind the Attraction and a show called Imagineering. Both shows talk about Galaxy’s Edge and why it is themed around Batu (a place that has never been spoken about in the movies, shows, comics, etc). They did it to stay timeless and so they wouldn’t have to constantly update it to fit current movies.
No, they actually did it because Kathleen Kennedy literally pulled the plug on Tatooine at the last minute. The Imagineers actually had Tatooine almost completely designed and planned, but Kennedy is such a huge femenist that she literally said something along the lines of "we don't want to make Star Wars for the fifty something white man", shut them down, and made them start completely over to base it on her own ideas, so that she could insert her own spin, and not give any attention to what the fans actually wanted, basically spitting in the face of all the fans that have kept Star Wars alive over the years. She's the one responsible for the terrible treatment of Luke Skywalker, so it makes sense that she'd hijack this for her own devices as well
@@BrendanYoungMusic you sound like a sexist crazy person
@@GINEP1G LOL, nah, I'm just giving insight that came from someone on the inside
Love your use of the KOTOR soundtrack in some of these videos, haha!