When I think of QB trades in the 70's, I think of two big ones. The 1st was probably the QB trade of the decade. The Vikings bringing back the one and only Fran Tarkenton by sending two draft picks Norm Snead and Bob Grimm to the Giants. Fran with the addition of John Gilliam brought some punch to the Vikings offense. Then the final piece would come later with Chuck Foreman and the Vikes were as complete as they ever were for the next 5-6 seasons. The other big QB trade was the Cowboys sending Craig Morton to the Giants in 1974 and getting a very special 1st round pick in 1975. In '1973 the Cowboys drafted Harvey Martin, in '74 they drafted Ed Too Tall Jones. The 1975 1st rounder(from the Giants) was Randy the Manster White. And Doomsday II was launched.
Yes, they were big ones - I covered those in the video that I alluded to during "Jersey Talk". Getting Fran back was HUGE. The Vikes probably don't play .500 ball without him.
Thanks Mark, good stuff. Charlie Johnson brought intelligence and professionalism when he landed in Denver. Johnson was the start for Broncos legitimacy. Shout to the Jets getting over on the Broncs in '79 when they traded Matt Robinson for a couple first rounders. Thanks brother, you're appreciated.
Red Miller was too gullible. The Broncos have a history of stupid when it comes to QB trades. Steve Tensi was acquired for two #1's and people didn't have to wait long; lo, he sucked right after the ref blew the whistle. 0ne would expect the Brain Trust to learn to say no to an expensive trade, but you'd be disappointed. Now RE: Matt Robinson. That was a bad trade unless you got players and pic and gave 0 bac|
I remember when they traded a Stabler Sandwich for a Pastrami (I mean Pastorini) just after the 1979 season. Stabler would later get seasoned with Chef Bum Phillips. Sure they went 11-5 (lost to Plunkett not Pastorini in the playoff) but 13 TDs and 28 INTs for Stabler - what the fock?
Awesome bonus footage! Sam wasn't a great QB, but he played an important role in helping the Bengals franchise get started. QB was a revolving door the first few seasons, but Sam was always still there when the dust settled. Most of all, he was a really good guy. I loved his time coaching Cincinnati. If only Lewis Billups could've hung on to that throw from Montana at the goal line in SB XXIII.
That helmet worn at 7:10 looks like those helmets we got out of those gumball machines. Those Cardinals and red Falcons helmets are my all time favorites.
In 1972 John Brodie was hurt most of the year, Steve Spurrier started most of the season, the game against the Cowboys, the 49ers won 31-10 Steve was 16/24 for 177 yards and 1 touchdown, only to lose in a playoff game which they were winning 28-13, Rodger Staubach replace Craig Morton and led a 4 quarter come back to beat the 49ers 30-28, Rodger became the cowboys permanent starter for the Cowboys and the rest is history
@@stevenzimmerman4057 - yeah indeed he do, i think he is best one cause his are creative and off the wall. Whereas most are just highlights or a game rerun, which are cool if they are old but not very inventive.
You have the best production , selection , presentation and music in this medium ! Great shots and you know your players ! I remember a movie where Charlton Heston played an aging quarterback and he was wearing the Saints jersey with # 17 . They used NFL film for their movie and that's how I knew " Billy , oh well , Billie " . Kilmer was the scaled down version of my favorite quarterback Joe Kapp ! The Dolphins really got over on the Packers , that's not Del Gazo folks ! It's Frank Zappa !
Thank you very much; I really appreciate that. Kapp wasn't a pretty passer, but he was a winner. In '69, the Vikings lost two regular season games - the first and last. In both games, Kapp did not start. He was a great leader and teammate.
Great video, Mark. Thanks. My maternal grandpa owned a business in Philadelphia that did some advertising. Throughout the 60's Norm Snead featured in their radio adds. Recently deceased.
Thank you - that's cool to hear that. I think that Snead was a very fine QB. I'm shocked that MN didn't use him more often though. Bob Lee and Gary Cuozzo were not the answer.
Frenchy Fuqua eventually gave way to Franco Harris, but he did have a 200+ yard rushing game for the bad old Steelers. Linebacker Henry Davis suffered a career ending neck injury and gave way to rookie Jack Lambert.
Just looking at some of those hits makes me appreciate those 70's teams even more. Tough guys who didn't make the big money and had to work normal jobs in the off-season to pay the bills.
That is something that today’s young fans can’t appreciate. They are so obsessed with who the next GOAT is and know little of the history of the game. If the players of the 60s and 70s had the advantages of sports medicine, sports science, nutrition etc they would certainly compete with today’s players. ( and Bill Kilmer would not be carrying that extra weight in his gut lol)
I really appreciate your comments because today's young fans think that these leagues just started 20-30 years ago. They don't know of the game's history and are too lazy to research anything. ESPN and The NFL Network tell them day after day that Brady is the GOAT, so they accept it.
What bothers me most is hearing some of these young fans (as well as talking heads online or in mainstream media) who ignore, dismiss or actively denigrate the game and the players of the past. I am willing to acknowledge the great players of today. I don’t need to hate on them in order to acknowledge the greatness of those who excelled in the past.
Very entertaining! I remember Steve Fuller as the QB for Clemson in the infamous 1978 Gator Bowl that marked the end of Woody Hayes career. Good footage of The Ol’ Ballcoach in SF. He really threaded the needle to Gene Washington in Big D. Lots of obscure guys brought back to life in this one. Was that a Jake Scott or Marino jersey?
Sir, great stuff! I am subscribed! born July of 1996, these old vids, are so 😎! Keep up the great work. Ik this is painstakingly difficult, but u r the guy! God bless you 🙏, Joey, in Cleveland
While the trade did not go down until March of 1980, the primary elements of Stabler-Pastorini trade were laid down in the 1970s. The declining production of Stabler in 1978-79, combined with the fan abuse suffered by Pastorini, even during the Luv' Ya Blue hysteria, led to a gobsmacking exchange of QBs. Re: the latter, I lived in Houston in the late 1970s, and there was a faction of Oilers fans who were convinced Dante wasn't the guy who could produce when Earl struggled, and struggle he did versus the Steelers. In those eight games during LYB (1978-80), his 150 carries yielded 492 yards (only two games with 100-plus yards) for 3.3 ypc and four TDs. The teams split their six regular-season games, but lost both playoff contests. Even if that Mike Renfro reception in the 1979 AFC Championship game had been recorded as a TD, the Steel Curtain held the Tyler Rose to 15 yards on 17 carries, and the entire offense to 227 total yards and two sorry field goals. That trade was a total loser for Houston since The Snake was damaged goods. Conversely, Pastorini would break his leg on his way to retirement, ultimately transforming the careers of both Jim Plunkett and Tom Flores in the process. Those three LYB seasons did permit me to watch the most entertaining running back I've been permitted to witness, and not a single blackout until mid-1981 as I recall.
Yes, that was a good one. I featured that and other big QB trades in my video "These 10 HUGE Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" that's in the "Special Features" section of my Playlist.
Man with how soft the roughing the passer calls have become. It’s easy to forget. That it was a complete 180. Pre 2000s. And open season on QBs from the snap to the whistle! And even a little after the whistle!😂😂
16:05: The before mentioned Pete Liske was brought in during 1971 to replace Snead. Snead was booed mercilessly by the fans in his last several years in Philly. LOL, some people joked that the people who threw snowballs at Santa Claus thought it was Norm Snead under that costume! Leonard Tose had also bought the team in 1969 and later cleaned house in the executive suite. Snead was the brainchild of the previous owner and GM. There was no way he could be kept around. Turned out it was Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee as Liske was a flop too. The Birds finally got it right in 1973 ( for one year at least) when they traded for Roman Gabriel.
Ole Norm was happy to be leavin' Philly then. I bet he thought that he was going to be the man in MN, but that wasn't to be. Bud Grant sure flubbed by not starting him for the entire year.
I really love Charlie Johnson. He’s very underrated and that Oilers team didn’t have a great offensive line for sure. Did you know he had a PhD in engineering?
Yes, I recall reading that on the back of one of his football cards - 1971? In the '73 MNF game against Oakland, one of the announcers mentioned it as well.
When talking about Fuller, here's what I heard: Apparently, the QB coach for KC (Kay Dalton) liked Montana, but the idiot team president (Jack Steadman. He worked with Lamar Hunt in the oil business, and didn't know much about football) forced HC Marv Levy to trade back in the first round and take Steve Fuller (Jack was whining about the fact that they didn't have a franchise QB, and he was probably mad that they passed on highly-rated Jack Thompson for DE Mike Bell), who was the highest rated QB on their board at that point.
Jim DelGaizo got to mop up a few times in '72 when he backed up Earl Morrall. Behind the incredible Miami O line and throwing to Stowe and Warfield he looked like a star in the making. BTW we just lost another great player from that yndefeated team Captain Crunch #57 Mike Kolen. RIP
Yes, I covered that trade in my other related video entitled "These 10 HUGE Quarterback Trades Will Shock You". It's in the "Special Features section of my Playlist. Thanks for bringing that up.
I actually have a soft spot for Pete Lisk who later played for the Eagles before they acquired Roman Gabriel. I have that OPC 1968 football card of his that you showed in the video. By the way, the 1968 OPEE CHEE football set is extremely rare, the checklist even marked CELL for $500 can you believe it?
Steve Spurrier (11) had been with SF for about 10 years when he was traded to expansion Tampa. He had some big games, but never could supplant John Brodie (12). They loved him in Florida where he had a huge college career.
The story goes that Spurrier didn't like the fact that John McKay insisted on his son J.K. McKay being the primary focus of the Bucs passing game. He didn't think that he was up for it. Also, he didn't like that John McKay was ibtent on being primarily a running team; he thought that they should open up the passing game more.
When adding these trades to the ones featured in my video "These 10 Quarterback Trades Of The 1970s Will Shock You", I think we've got 'em covered quite well.
I guess third time was the charm having Rodgers wear #12 in Green Bay. (Dickey wasn't that bad in the early 80's though) Even though I wasn't born but Peter Liske led the Stampeders to a rare Grey Cup appearance in the late 1960's. Normally, it was Saskatchewan that was appearing in the Grey Cup in the late 1960's after BC Lions lost Joe Kapp to the Vikings and Winnipeg's Head Coach also went to Minnesota as well in Bud Grant. 13:57 - There is the holder for Tom Dempsey's 63 yard FG in 1970 Any clips of John Hufnagel when he was in Denver before his departure to Canada? Chuck Noll's rookie season as Steelers Head Coach and 55 years later, they have only had two other head coaches. I'll never forget when fans at Riverfront versus Seattle were throwing snowballs, Sam Wyche went on the microphone to get the fans to stop and concluded his speech with 'You don't live in Cleveland, YOU LIVE IN CINCINNATI!!'
Joe Scarpati held the ball for Dempsey. Hufnagel only threw 61 NFL passes - I'd have to check, but it would most likely be from week 11 and/or 12 from '75 when he threw 6 picks in 23 attempts. Isn't that utterly amazing about the steadiness of the Steelers Head Coaching? With some teams it's a merry-go-ground of coaches.
@1:48-1:52...Fun fact. The helmet Billy Kilmer is wearing was used during the 1969 preseason. Pete Rozelle and the NFL rejected that helmet and the Saints had to revert back to the '68 design before the '69 regular season began.
I can't believe that Rozelle and the NFL rejected that helmet design. I wonder why. The Commish yielded a lot of power - perhaps too much, in my opinion. Thanks for bringing that up!
Yes, that was a big trade. I covered that one in my video entitled "These HUGE 1970s Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" which is in the Special Features section of my Playlist. Thanks for bringing it up.
Del Gaizo (11), a south paw, was a good prospect when he was with Miami - he was on the ‘72 undefeated Dolphins. He just didn’t get much playing time. The media had him as the possible starter, eventually. Easy to see how Green Bay gave up two high picks to obtain him.
1970 was still Old AFL vs Old NFL as it was the merger year, and Denver, not necessarily considered a playoff team, showed that AFL teams were on par. The Broncos bashed Atlanta and New Orleans that year, and I think they beat the Steelers, too - an old NFL franchise that did not want to go to the AFC. Shiner later ended up with the Falcons, where he played fairly well, though I was told his stats there weren't great. They won some big games when Shiner was playing, in place of injured Bob Berry.
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the Saints wearing those black helmets 1:49. Apparently they wore them in the 1969 preseason. Glad the league didn’t allow them to switch and went back to the gold.
Unless I missed it, I’m stunned that the Browns-Dolphins trade that sent Paul Warfield to the Dolphins so the Browns could move up and draft Mike Phipps isn’t depicted.
Well, I think both had to do with the Vikings. Improving their chances by bringing in Tarkenton, yet ruining it by letting Kapp walk.70 and 71 WAS the right time for them. Even though it was an option type of thing , they got 2 players from the Patriots , so of sorta a trade :)
@@markgardner9460 Its next to impossible to convince fans ( Vikings fans ) but their best chances of winning it all were with the Kapp , and not Tarkenton led teams. Just so many things that went on behind closed doors of Kapp leaving. SMH ,(
When Kapp signed with the Patriots, he became the highest paid player in the league. I don't think that the Vikings wanted to pay him what he was worth - just my opinion.
I have that one featured in my video "These HUGE 1970's Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" which located in the Special Features section of my playlist.
The first 3 trades are featured in my video that I mentioned "These 10 Quarterback Trades Of The 1970s Will Shock You". In 1980, Stabler was traded to the Oilers from the Raiders.
Billy Kilmer's main claim to fame before going to Washington was his fumble that Jim Marshall ran into the San Francisco end zone in 1964 for a safety! That being said he was tough as nails and a excellent QB for the Redskins!
The Pack was so desparate. They tried old man Zeke Bratkowski. They drafted Scott Hunter out of Alabama - same school as Starr. Of course there's the Hadl and Dickey trades. They blew a lot of draft picks on QB's
Spurrier riddled the Vikings with 31 completions ( most against Minnesota at the time). over 300 yards but threw 2 fourth quarter picks to Paul Krause as Minnesota prevailed.
Yes. They didn't play in near perfect playing conditions, nor wear gloves, so a wobbler or two is understandable. As long as it gets to the receiver I guess.
When I think of QB trades in the 70's, I think of two big ones. The 1st was probably the QB trade of the decade. The Vikings bringing back the one and only Fran Tarkenton by sending two draft picks Norm Snead and Bob Grimm to the Giants. Fran with the addition of John Gilliam brought some punch to the Vikings offense. Then the final piece would come later with Chuck Foreman and the Vikes were as complete as they ever were for the next 5-6 seasons. The other big QB trade was the Cowboys sending Craig Morton to the Giants in 1974 and getting a very special 1st round pick in 1975. In '1973 the Cowboys drafted Harvey Martin, in '74 they drafted Ed Too Tall Jones. The 1975 1st rounder(from the Giants) was Randy the Manster White. And Doomsday II was launched.
Yes, they were big ones - I covered those in the video that I alluded to during "Jersey Talk". Getting Fran back was HUGE. The Vikes probably don't play .500 ball without him.
@@markgardner9460I think the Vikings play.500 because of their defense but not 3 SB!
Great stuff. Love it. RIP Dick Shiner.
Billy Kilmer hof
Gilliam changed is number in Minnesota to 42 .Chuck Foreman wore 44
Thanks Mark, good stuff. Charlie Johnson brought intelligence and professionalism when he landed in Denver. Johnson was the start for Broncos legitimacy. Shout to the Jets getting over on the Broncs in '79 when they traded Matt Robinson for a couple first rounders. Thanks brother, you're appreciated.
Charley was super smart - no question about that. I read where he was deemed unfit for military service. His knees must have been in really bad shape.
Red Miller was too gullible. The Broncos have a history of stupid when it comes to QB trades. Steve Tensi was acquired for two #1's and people didn't have to wait long; lo, he sucked right after the ref blew the whistle. 0ne would expect the Brain Trust to learn to say no to an expensive trade, but you'd be disappointed. Now RE: Matt Robinson. That was a bad trade unless you got players and pic and gave 0 bac|
I remember Charlie Johnson , he led a great offense that year like 72!
Charlie Johnson and Floyd Little gave us our first winning season in 1973. 7th grade. What a fun year!
@@michaelcanardi7050 I was fortunate to get out to see that team play in old Mile High Stadium...great time to live in Denver as a young teenager.
I remember when they traded a Stabler Sandwich for a Pastrami (I mean Pastorini) just after the 1979 season. Stabler would later get seasoned with Chef Bum Phillips. Sure they went 11-5 (lost to Plunkett not Pastorini in the playoff) but 13 TDs and 28 INTs for Stabler - what the fock?
He no longer had that great Raiders offensive line. His knees were shot and he threw the ball up for grabs when incurring pressure.
Awesome bonus footage! Sam wasn't a great QB, but he played an important role in helping the Bengals franchise get started. QB was a revolving door the first few seasons, but Sam was always still there when the dust settled. Most of all, he was a really good guy. I loved his time coaching Cincinnati. If only Lewis Billups could've hung on to that throw from Montana at the goal line in SB XXIII.
Yes, I respected Sam - he was a really good guy and I loved his no-huddle offense. Thank you for watching and commenting!
That helmet worn at 7:10 looks like those helmets we got out of those gumball machines. Those Cardinals and red Falcons helmets are my all time favorites.
We used to call those "monkey helmets". I'll throw in the old Rams helmet and the Chargers, too. Those 4 are the best, in my opinion.
These are the best video, love the football cards too - i had ALL these as a 10 year old - GREAT CHANNEL- THAT was football
Thank you - I'm glad that you enjoy my channel.
My goodness the great videos just keep coming!! Thank you!
You're welcome. I hope that you like it!
In 1972 John Brodie was hurt most of the year, Steve Spurrier started most of the season, the game against the Cowboys, the 49ers won 31-10 Steve was 16/24 for 177 yards and 1 touchdown, only to lose in a playoff game which they were winning 28-13, Rodger Staubach replace Craig Morton and led a 4 quarter come back to beat the 49ers 30-28, Rodger became the cowboys permanent starter for the Cowboys and the rest is history
I watched that playoff game on live tv - what a thriller!
Another great compilation, well done!!!
Thanks, Hammer!!
Mark hits it out of the park every time!
@@stevenzimmerman4057 - yeah indeed he do, i think he is best one cause his are creative and off the wall. Whereas most are just highlights or a game rerun, which are cool if they are old but not very inventive.
It looks like I have to raise the bar now.
@@markgardner9460 Naw, just keep on keeping on!
You have the best production , selection , presentation and music in this medium ! Great shots and you know your players ! I remember a movie where Charlton Heston played an aging quarterback and he was wearing the Saints jersey with # 17 . They used NFL film for their movie and that's how I knew " Billy , oh well , Billie " . Kilmer was the scaled down version of my favorite quarterback Joe Kapp ! The Dolphins really got over on the Packers , that's not Del Gazo folks ! It's Frank Zappa !
Thank you very much; I really appreciate that.
Kapp wasn't a pretty passer, but he was a winner. In '69, the Vikings lost two regular season games - the first and last. In both games, Kapp did not start. He was a great leader and teammate.
Great video, Mark. Thanks.
My maternal grandpa owned a business in Philadelphia that did some advertising. Throughout the 60's Norm Snead featured in their radio adds. Recently deceased.
Thank you - that's cool to hear that. I think that Snead was a very fine QB. I'm shocked that MN didn't use him more often though. Bob Lee and Gary Cuozzo were not the answer.
Frenchy Fuqua eventually gave way to Franco Harris, but he did have a 200+ yard rushing game for the bad old Steelers. Linebacker Henry Davis suffered a career ending neck injury and gave way to rookie Jack Lambert.
Great comments - much appreciated!
Just looking at some of those hits makes me appreciate those 70's teams even more. Tough guys who didn't make the big money and had to work normal jobs in the off-season to pay the bills.
That's right - it was totally different back then. Players mostly played on one year contracts, too.
That is something that today’s young fans can’t appreciate. They are so obsessed with who the next GOAT is and know little of the history of the game. If the players of the 60s and 70s had the advantages of sports medicine, sports science, nutrition etc they would certainly compete with today’s players. ( and Bill Kilmer would not be carrying that extra weight in his gut lol)
I really appreciate your comments because today's young fans think that these leagues just started 20-30 years ago. They don't know of the game's history and are too lazy to research anything. ESPN and The NFL Network tell them day after day that Brady is the GOAT, so they accept it.
What bothers me most is hearing some of these young fans (as well as talking heads online or in mainstream media) who ignore, dismiss or actively denigrate the game and the players of the past. I am willing to acknowledge the great players of today. I don’t need to hate on them in order to acknowledge the greatness of those who excelled in the past.
Very entertaining! I remember Steve Fuller as the QB for Clemson in the infamous 1978 Gator Bowl that marked the end of Woody Hayes career. Good footage of The Ol’ Ballcoach in SF. He really threaded the needle to Gene Washington in Big D. Lots of obscure guys brought back to life in this one. Was that a Jake Scott or Marino jersey?
Hi Evan. My jersey is a Marino one, although the first football card I bought was a '73 Jake Scott. I was enthralled with that card.
Another excellent production!!!
Thank you - I appreciate that very much.
Jim Del Gazio what a great bar name.
Sir, great stuff! I am subscribed! born July of 1996, these old vids, are so 😎! Keep up the great work. Ik this is painstakingly difficult, but u r the guy! God bless you 🙏, Joey, in Cleveland
Hey, Joey! Thanks for subscribing and the kind words - they are much appreciated!!
Love the old unis. Oilers, Falcons, Eagles, Saints
Yes! I really like those Falcons and Saints unis - so much better than now, in my opinion.
While the trade did not go down until March of 1980, the primary elements of Stabler-Pastorini trade were laid down in the 1970s. The declining production of Stabler in 1978-79, combined with the fan abuse suffered by Pastorini, even during the Luv' Ya Blue hysteria, led to a gobsmacking exchange of QBs. Re: the latter, I lived in Houston in the late 1970s, and there was a faction of Oilers fans who were convinced Dante wasn't the guy who could produce when Earl struggled, and struggle he did versus the Steelers. In those eight games during LYB (1978-80), his 150 carries yielded 492 yards (only two games with 100-plus yards) for 3.3 ypc and four TDs. The teams split their six regular-season games, but lost both playoff contests. Even if that Mike Renfro reception in the 1979 AFC Championship game had been recorded as a TD, the Steel Curtain held the Tyler Rose to 15 yards on 17 carries, and the entire offense to 227 total yards and two sorry field goals. That trade was a total loser for Houston since The Snake was damaged goods. Conversely, Pastorini would break his leg on his way to retirement, ultimately transforming the careers of both Jim Plunkett and Tom Flores in the process. Those three LYB seasons did permit me to watch the most entertaining running back I've been permitted to witness, and not a single blackout until mid-1981 as I recall.
Great stuff Mark!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff, as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Craig Morton to the Giants for a #1 draft pick, who the Cowboys used to draft Randy White.
Yes, that was a good one. I featured that and other big QB trades in my video "These 10 HUGE Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" that's in the "Special Features" section of my Playlist.
Great footage. My 1st year as a fan was 1970.
I dig those old stadiums - nothin' fancy, but most of them had character.
Man with how soft the roughing the passer calls have become. It’s easy to forget. That it was a complete 180. Pre 2000s. And open season on QBs from the snap to the whistle! And even a little after the whistle!😂😂
QB 3-4 feet out of bounds? Still fair game back then.
16:05: The before mentioned Pete Liske was brought in during 1971 to replace Snead. Snead was booed mercilessly by the fans in his last several years in Philly. LOL, some people joked that the people who threw snowballs at Santa Claus thought it was Norm Snead under that costume! Leonard Tose had also bought the team in 1969 and later cleaned house in the executive suite. Snead was the brainchild of the previous owner and GM. There was no way he could be kept around. Turned out it was Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee as Liske was a flop too. The Birds finally got it right in 1973 ( for one year at least) when they traded for Roman Gabriel.
Ole Norm was happy to be leavin' Philly then. I bet he thought that he was going to be the man in MN, but that wasn't to be. Bud Grant sure flubbed by not starting him for the entire year.
Jim Del Gazio does look like a bizarro version of Aaron Rodgers lol.
He's the first guy that popped into my mind when I saw that close up!
I really love Charlie Johnson. He’s very underrated and that Oilers team didn’t have a great offensive line for sure. Did you know he had a PhD in engineering?
Yes, I recall reading that on the back of one of his football cards - 1971? In the '73 MNF game against Oakland, one of the announcers mentioned it as well.
When talking about Fuller, here's what I heard: Apparently, the QB coach for KC (Kay Dalton) liked Montana, but the idiot team president (Jack Steadman. He worked with Lamar Hunt in the oil business, and didn't know much about football) forced HC Marv Levy to trade back in the first round and take Steve Fuller (Jack was whining about the fact that they didn't have a franchise QB, and he was probably mad that they passed on highly-rated Jack Thompson for DE Mike Bell), who was the highest rated QB on their board at that point.
Ugh. How frustrating for the QB Coach...and Levy! Thanks for sharing.
Jim DelGaizo got to mop up a few times in '72 when he backed up Earl Morrall. Behind the incredible Miami O line and throwing to Stowe and Warfield he looked like a star in the making. BTW we just lost another great player from that yndefeated team Captain Crunch #57 Mike Kolen. RIP
I hadn't heard that about Kolen. Thank you for the notification.
How about the Rams getting Harold Jackson, John Cappelletti, and Dennis Harrah in the deal that sent Roman Gabriel to the Eagles?
Yes, I covered that trade in my other related video entitled "These 10 HUGE Quarterback Trades Will Shock You". It's in the "Special Features section of my Playlist. Thanks for bringing that up.
I actually have a soft spot for Pete Lisk who later played for the Eagles before they acquired Roman Gabriel. I have that OPC 1968 football card of his that you showed in the video. By the way, the 1968 OPEE CHEE football set is extremely rare, the checklist even marked CELL for $500 can you believe it?
That is crazy! The checklists for the '69 Topps set are somewhat spendy, but that is considering the boxes are unchecked.
1:30 wowza
don't you guys just love those action poses on the old football cards ..lol
Yeah, 1971 had a few pure action photos and 1972 had the "Pro Action" sub-set, but before that action photos were pretty much non-existent.
@@markgardner9460 Bronco Nagreski did action photos in the 50's
Steve Spurrier (11) had been with SF for about 10 years when he was traded to expansion Tampa. He had some big games, but never could supplant John Brodie (12). They loved him in Florida where he had a huge college career.
The story goes that Spurrier didn't like the fact that John McKay insisted on his son J.K. McKay being the primary focus of the Bucs passing game. He didn't think that he was up for it. Also, he didn't like that John McKay was ibtent on being primarily a running team; he thought that they should open up the passing game more.
Plus, he got hit early and often on Tampa’s first year in the league. But, at least he finally got his chance to start.
"SportsStatsNGab"...not only did"you"present the "case" you "preceded" to " make the "case"...I" "Concur"!!
When adding these trades to the ones featured in my video "These 10 Quarterback Trades Of The 1970s Will Shock You", I think we've got 'em covered quite well.
I guess third time was the charm having Rodgers wear #12 in Green Bay. (Dickey wasn't that bad in the early 80's though)
Even though I wasn't born but Peter Liske led the Stampeders to a rare Grey Cup appearance in the late 1960's. Normally, it was Saskatchewan that was appearing in the Grey Cup in the late 1960's after BC Lions lost Joe Kapp to the Vikings and Winnipeg's Head Coach also went to Minnesota as well in Bud Grant.
13:57 - There is the holder for Tom Dempsey's 63 yard FG in 1970
Any clips of John Hufnagel when he was in Denver before his departure to Canada?
Chuck Noll's rookie season as Steelers Head Coach and 55 years later, they have only had two other head coaches.
I'll never forget when fans at Riverfront versus Seattle were throwing snowballs, Sam Wyche went on the microphone to get the fans to stop and concluded his speech with 'You don't live in Cleveland, YOU LIVE IN CINCINNATI!!'
Joe Scarpati held the ball for Dempsey.
Hufnagel only threw 61 NFL passes - I'd have to check, but it would most likely be from week 11 and/or 12 from '75 when he threw 6 picks in 23 attempts.
Isn't that utterly amazing about the steadiness of the Steelers Head Coaching? With some teams it's a merry-go-ground of coaches.
@1:48-1:52...Fun fact. The helmet Billy Kilmer is wearing was used during the 1969 preseason. Pete Rozelle and the NFL rejected that helmet and the Saints had to revert back to the '68 design before the '69 regular season began.
I can't believe that Rozelle and the NFL rejected that helmet design. I wonder why. The Commish yielded a lot of power - perhaps too much, in my opinion. Thanks for bringing that up!
Fran Tarkenton from the Giants back to the Vikings in 1972 for Bob Grim and Vince Clements
Yes, that was a big trade. I covered that one in my video entitled "These HUGE 1970s Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" which is in the Special Features section of my Playlist. Thanks for bringing it up.
Del Gaizo (11), a south paw, was a good prospect when he was with Miami - he was on the ‘72 undefeated Dolphins. He just didn’t get much playing time. The media had him as the possible starter, eventually. Easy to see how Green Bay gave up two high picks to obtain him.
The Dolphins signed him as a free agent, so they came out of the deal smelling like a rose
@@markgardner9460 Yes, Freddie Solomon (86) was money 💴.
I think he scored a touchdown 3 different ways in one game: punt return, pass reception and a run.
@@markgardner9460 Packers were a horrible ran team in 70s, terrible trades and draft picks ( a few good draft picks)
How bout that forearm whack Tommy Nobis gave Billy Kilmer here 😲 3:05
That'll get yer attention, eh?
@@markgardner9460 Nobis was like “You ain’t tacklin’ me. I do the tacklin’. 🤣
"Which one of us is wearin' the big boy shoulder pads anyway???"
1970 was still Old AFL vs Old NFL as it was the merger year, and Denver, not necessarily considered a playoff team, showed that AFL teams were on par. The Broncos bashed Atlanta and New Orleans that year, and I think they beat the Steelers, too - an old NFL franchise that did not want to go to the AFC.
Shiner later ended up with the Falcons, where he played fairly well, though I was told his stats there weren't great. They won some big games when Shiner was playing, in place of injured Bob Berry.
Good stuff, Tommy, as always. I think Shiner had a cup of coffee with the Rams, too.
Quarterbacks like Jim Del Gazo, Kent Nix, Dick Shiner, Rick Arrington, all were equally inept
Just think of how the #2 & #3 QB's would have fared.
14:58: Who's that dude number 51 wreaking havoc in the Steeler's backfield? He looks like a pretty good player.
Yeah, I'd say so! The meanest Monster of the Midway.
That’s the first time I’ve ever seen the Saints wearing those black helmets 1:49. Apparently they wore them in the 1969 preseason. Glad the league didn’t allow them to switch and went back to the gold.
Yeah, those helmets were too dark, in my opinion. They didn't offer enough color contrastment for my taste.
Hey Mark, did you know that Wimpy Winther was the center for the Detroit wheels my favorite WFL team in 1974
I know now - thanks for sharing! I have forgotten what his given first name is. Nice jersey in this video, eh?
Mark, that jersey looks much better on you than it did on me. It looked terrific and you could see the patch and it just fits you great.
I really like that 75th Anniversary patch. Thanks again!
Unless I missed it, I’m stunned that the Browns-Dolphins trade that sent Paul Warfield to the Dolphins so the Browns could move up and draft Mike Phipps isn’t depicted.
That trade is featured in my other related video that I alluded to in "Jersey Talk".
These HUGE 1970's Quarterback Trades Will Shock You is the name of my video which is located in my Playlist under "Special Features"
Well, I think both had to do with the Vikings. Improving their chances by bringing in Tarkenton, yet ruining it by letting Kapp walk.70 and 71 WAS the right time for them. Even though it was an option type of thing , they got 2 players from the Patriots , so of sorta a trade :)
Vikes totally blew it with Kapp!
@@markgardner9460 Its next to impossible to convince fans ( Vikings fans ) but their best chances of winning it all were with the Kapp , and not Tarkenton led teams. Just so many things that went on behind closed doors of Kapp leaving. SMH ,(
When Kapp signed with the Patriots, he became the highest paid player in the league. I don't think that the Vikings wanted to pay him what he was worth - just my opinion.
You sure that's not Frank Zappa at 4:51 lol?
Joe Kapp = Because he challenged and beat the NFL in court.
I researched his situation. While the Vikes received compensation from the Patriots, it wasn't in the form of a trade. He was a free agent, basically.
@@markgardner9460I wonder what the Vikings would have done with Kapp in 1970?
Another showdown with the Cowboys in the NFC CG. Vikes probably take 'em.
@@markgardner9460 I think that would have been a distinct possibility!
Imho Vikes cost themselves couple Superbowls by not keeping Joe Kapp. Viki gs fan since 68.
What about the Giants trading away Fran Tarkenton to the Vikings in 1972???
I have that one featured in my video "These HUGE 1970's Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" which located in the Special Features section of my playlist.
you missed roman gabriel to eagles and fran tarkenton back to vikings, also craig morton to giants and kenny stabler from saints to raiders
The first 3 trades are featured in my video that I mentioned "These 10 Quarterback Trades Of The 1970s Will Shock You". In 1980, Stabler was traded to the Oilers from the Raiders.
1:26 Like? Yes! 😂
Hee hee hee!
Can't deny that!
Billy Kilmer's main claim to fame before going to Washington was his fumble that Jim Marshall ran into the San Francisco end zone in 1964 for a safety! That being said he was tough as nails and a excellent QB for the Redskins!
Mentioning Del Gaizo and Bart Starr in the same sentence? WOW
The Pack was so desparate. They tried old man Zeke Bratkowski. They drafted Scott Hunter out of Alabama - same school as Starr. Of course there's the Hadl and Dickey trades. They blew a lot of draft picks on QB's
I miss the Redskins
The Saints were not known for their brilliant player moves back then.
No they weren't, but getting Doug Atkins was a good one.
Spurrier riddled the Vikings with 31 completions ( most against Minnesota at the time). over 300 yards but threw 2 fourth quarter picks to Paul Krause as Minnesota prevailed.
Pete Liske had a uneventful career but somehow I remember him
Great trade as you said! Shiner for Fuqua and Davis? Highway robbery!
Great '67 and '68 years in Canada
Billy Kilmer threw some wounded ducks .even Johnny U threw a few too
Yes. They didn't play in near perfect playing conditions, nor wear gloves, so a wobbler or two is understandable. As long as it gets to the receiver I guess.
@@markgardner9460 Kilmer could have played Linebacker also.Mark .lol
He certainly had the mentality and gusto to play the position!
Maybe Del Gazo would have done better if he had a better offensive line
Perhaps. The offensive line was an effective run-blocking unit, but the Packers didn't have any threats at wide receiver.
Did he forget the Packers terrible John Hadl trade, Teams were giving up way to much for terrible quarterbacks
"These HUGE 1970s Quarterback Trades Will Shock You" includes that trade. That video is located in the Special Features of my playlist.
NFL films ain't got nothing on you!
Thanks, John!!
Kilmer was a disaster.
Billy had a badline and the French quarter.
0:35 Bradshaw the worst qb ever called the greatest.
That got a good chuckle outta me!
@@markgardner9460 😉
Most of the scrubs featured here remind me of thee most overrated QB in the NFL right now-Tua! Huge miss when Herbert was there.
Back in the day, if a talented QB was stuck on a bad team, it spelled doom because there wasn't all the rules to benefit QB's and offenses.