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The voice actor for Sutekh is Gabriel Woolf, the original voice actor, who is 91 AND voiced the Beast in Impossible Planet/Satan Pit!!!
I wonder if there is a connection with that Beast.
@JeshuaSquirrel I Believe they said at the time of those episodes it was meant as a fun reference for fans and they just really liked his voice for the role of this demonic, godly force but they may do more with it
@JeshuaSquirrel Ruby's mum literally said "beast" when looking at the shifting fog.
I rewatched the Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit after this episode myself, and it was an experience. The first line of dialogue alone already implies things in a new context.
@JeshuaSquirrel in "Pyramids of Mars" it's stated that Satan is one of the aliases of Sutekh.
They name dropped the Trickster from the Sarah Jane Adventures and the Mara from Classic Who as one of the gods, which was really cool.
And possibly the Three Gods of Ragnarok, with the Three Fold God.
Imagine being the god of chaos and traps and you keep getting beaten by school kids, a middle aged journalist and her robot dog
The Trickster was so cool!
Kate’s becoming my favorite Doctor Who character.
She also might be beating Sarah Jane’s record of most Doctors met.
Wait? Who’s met the most Doctors on the show (classic, NuWho, DisneyWho)?
Would that not be Kate's father, the Brigadier?
I also liked how the CCTV was 66 meters away.... or 73 yards. 😮
REALIZED THIS AFTER WATCHING IT AND I AM SO FERAL FOR WHATEVER THAT COULD MEAN
Holy shit 😮
@@KatAlysha I don't know if it will mean anything going forward, but I reckon it serves to recontextualise the entity in "73 Yards" as an embodiment of Ruby's worst fear - abandonment - with the distance between her and the woman ultimately being the closest she can get to her biological mother
ahhhhhhhh
OMFG… ‼️‼️‼️
Credit to the creative team, they gave Sutekh/Gabriel the powerful return he demands, while offering Mel/Bonnie a character with far more impact than much of her original run with the show.... so happy for both actors in this episode.
One of the better outings for Kate/Jemma as well.
Yeah, Mel has really leveled up.
The Mel we saw in 86/87 would have been little use and just screamed at everything. Her giving the Doctor some tough love was a real turnaround moment for the character. Clearly living with Glitz has changed her!
@@robalexander8065 Well, she did give old Six-ie a run for his money with the carrot juice and exercise bike.
RTD has been planning this twist (no pun intended) since the very beginning of the 60th specials. Mel asks Donna if she knows Triad programming when they visit UNIT in the Giggle, which I thought was just a weird computer term. Until I saw it mentioned in this episode...
Also the groaning noise the Tardis has been making has been happening since wild blue yonder.
He has his issues, but my God can RTD do arcs.
THIS has been the payoff for the 60th Anniversary!! Makes me feel better about everything!
Kneel before the might of Sutekh. Also it's great to hear the return of Gabriel Woolf's voice.
He was great as the voice of the Beast as well!
If its OK, Ill remain seated... as was Sutekh for most of that series.
Kneel before the might of Gabriel Woolf's voice. I thought he passed away in back in 2017 or something, and that they just used samples from Pyramids of Mars for this episode, but I was wrong. The dude is currently 91 years old. Awesome
"This is true plaything of Sutekh, his name's Neil"
@@Johno3998 That's my fave DVD extra!
Sutekh was in a Classic Doctor Who story called, 'The Pyramids of Mars', when Tom Baker was the Doctor. Sutekh said, "I am known and feared on a thousand worlds. I destroyed my home planet, Phaester Osiris, and crossed the galaxy, leaving havoc in my wake. Until my brother Horus and 740 other Osirians confronted me on Earth. I was defeated and trapped in a tomb beneath a pyramid; alive, paralysed, held in a force field controlled from Mars."
I have been thinking about getting Brit Box just to watch the classic series of Doctor Who. Tom Baker was my favorite but I never made that connection watching this episode its been that long since I have watched the classic series...
@paulleighton9568 it's worth it. I watch Classic Who on Brit Box all the time. You can also watch Are You Being Served? and Blake 7. I also recommend Keeping Up Appearances which the husband is in the Titanic Christmas episode of Doctor Who
@@paulleighton9568 the next Tales of the TARDIS is Pyramids.
Ahh... He didn't say that in Pyramids... though that's certainly accurate to who Sutekh is. Was that from an audio?
@@The-Cosmic-Hobo No. It was from History Lessons at School.
That ending the Harbinger's speech was so epic!!!!
There was so much just in this episode that I found refreshing: The Doctor being more open about his past, companions not being jealous of each other, the Doctor being proactive and asking for help.
If you can, I recommend trying to watch Pyramids of Mars before the next episode. It's only four 25 minute episodes and is regarding as one of the great stories.
There is an Official BBC TH-cam 12 minute abbreviated Pyramids of Mars but reviewing the full episodes would be better.
th-cam.com/video/iHPLR2ClVTE/w-d-xo.html
It’s really nothing special in my opinion. I was quite underwhelmed by the Sutekh reveal.
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I found the first half of the fourth episode boring.
But that shows how good the other 3.5 episodes are in this story, that this is still my favorite classic DW story.
There's also that Sutekh is a genuine mythological character, so even not knowing he's appeared in the show before in some form, he's still a big, scary Egyptian God of Death figure. Like if he'd announced himself as Hades or something. It wouldn't really matter if Hades had already featured in the show or not.
Unit: Well obviously S Triad is Tardis! Duh!
Also Unit: Hires someone called H. Arbinger. 🤣
Literally laughed out loud with that reveal. D'oh!
I wonder if Harriet Arbinger was hired to be Torchwood's canary in the mine? They spotted the obvious Harbinger reference, and figured that if she started speaking weird it would give them some warning that something weird was going to happen.
RTD was so hinting throughout the season.... in pyramids of mars where sutekh originated from the doctor showed sarah jane a destroyed earth like the doctor did now in episode 2. the sound the tardis makes was also made when sutekh materialised in the tardis in pyramid of mars. in every episodes there were pyramids hidden and and and :D
Apart from that. Sutekh is considered as one of the most powerful DW villains of all time. He could easily have killed the doctor in pyramids of mars. he brought him to his knees easily.
🎶My dog is alive, he's not dead🎶🎵
There is a breadcrumb that's likely to explode in all of this. When Maestro had Ruby up in the air and was drawing out her music, Ruby invoked the Shepherd's Bell Carole, that frightened Maestro. "HE couldn't have been there. The oldest one." Betcha The Oldest One was there and imbued Ruby with the power to defeat Suteck for just this situation. :》
Pyramids of Mars was one of the first Doctor Who serials I watched on local PBS, on a rerun marathon, with my family. Back when TV was broadcast over the airwaves, and families rarely had more than one TV. I was really young, so I had no idea what was happening, but my father had always been a technophile, and we had a VCR, and he recorded the serial so we could rewatch it. It was one of the few Doctor Who serials I saw complete more than once until the internet came around and it was possible to track down episodes.
This is like what I went through the first time I read the Legion of Superheroes The Great Darkness Saga. When some old, rarely revisited villain returns and you (in the audience) realizes just how much trouble the heroes are in. It'll probably be resolved next ep, but until then, the week can't be over soon enough.
Now, the question has to be, should Kat and Paula watch The Pyramids Of Mars before this season's finale? . . . . It'd be a chance to see Tom Baker and Elisabeth Sladen in a well regarded classic adventure and give some context to this two parter. Whaddaya think?
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Without question yes
Unfortunately I am not sure they have time for that. I believe the plan is to watch afterwards
@@MalcolmWolf Ah. I had wondered if Kat and Paula might do that.
Also, the Doctor had a great grandchild, in the Big Finish audio adventures, named Alex.
Born to Susan and her human husband, on late 22nd century Earth.
See the audios 'An Earthly Child', and 'Lucie Miller', plus 'To the Death'.
Sutekh is my favorite Doctor Who villain of all time. I watched the Pyramids of Mars serial when I was 8 years old, and I waited throughout all of Classic Who and every single season of nuWho for them to bring THIS guy back. 43 years I've waited for Sutkeh's return!!!!! He's not the One Who Waits. I am! :O
SAME
The fact they were able to use the same voice actor from the 70s for Sutekh I think is great for people who know the original story. And he did also voice The beast in The Satan Pit as well (Carla even said 'its the beast' when seeing the shape in the time window).
I don't think Mrs Flood will be Susan (I'm half expecting The Rani but who knows). She'll be something significant but I'm thinking a more long term antagonist
I do hope though that at the end of this story, the Doctor actually goes to visit Susan. We still have Carol Ann Ford and she's said she would come back I think so let's see
It really would be sick if Carol could come back at the finale to save us all Deux Ex Machina style tbh.
As nifty as that would be, Lady May is 75 years old, I'm not sure if planning with her long-term is that feasible an idea.
@@ohauss by long term I suppose I meant over the next season or two but I more meant the character than necessarily the actress. If she is the rani or another time lord then she can regenerate and probably will
She's definately not the Rani because she only cared about experiments Mrs Flood doesn't strike me as that character.
@@joshuaverran9443 what if Ruby is one of her experiments and she's been observing her all these years? After all Ruby is somehow related to no-one, if she were an experiment it could make sense? We don't exactly know what kind of a person Mrs Flood is. We've only seen her for a few minutes
But honestly Russell is so prone to teasing stuff like this (because he knows what people will guess) and just doing something else entirely
I can't help but chuckle that Unit were all over S. Triad as an obvious anagram, but somehow missed H. Arbinger. Unit HR really dropped the ball on that one.
Arbinger is a real surname.
Neither UNIT, nor even the Doctor, has had to deal with Harbingers until this era. We are introduced to that concept in Devil's Chord, and even the Doctor doesn't witness that Harbinger moment. Only the Doctor seems to know it's a thing, and thus, UNIT has no reason to make the connection -- unlike TARDIS, seeing as they've been around one for most of the show's history. Something happening in a scene in a show doesn't mean everyone in the show suddenly has that knowledge. Now that gods and their harbingers will become a VERY known problem, you can bet money that UNIT will keep their eyes peeled for Harbingers from now on. They've simply had no reason to (until now).
Love that they brought back the 91 year old Gabriel Wolf to do the voice of Sueteck. He was the original voice in Classical Who... but funny that you mention this making you think of the Beast/Satan... as Gabriel Wolf also voiced that character as well! Which, they give a shout out to (Easter Egg) when Carla says in the memory chamber when the black and red cloud sprung up, 'I know what that is. It's the Beast!' (Not direct quote)🎉
Maybe it's not just an Easter egg... maybe they're going to confirm they're the same entity.
@IceMetalPunk That thought has crossed my mind especially after watching Prisoner of Mars. He is also referred to as The Beast at the end... 🤔
One detail I love about this episode is the Voice Actor for Sutekh is the exact same one that voiced him back in the Pyramids of Mars (Gabriel Woolf). He came back to play Sutekh at 91 years old which is some dedication.
Side note: Its ironic that you brought up the Beast from The Impossible Planet/Satan Pit... Because Gabriel Woolf also voiced "The Beast" in that episode too, a nice throwback.
that's pretty darn cool!
Also, the Doctor said the TARDIS had indigestion in that story too...
Paula was pissed when it said "TO BE CONTINUED"😂
She was enraged! Kat was ah yes. This old song and dance.
I remember watching The Pyramids of Mars on PBS during the 4th Doctors run. So cool to see a classic villain return.
The Doctor had met all the mentioned gods. Pyramids of Mars was the first adventure where the Doctor shows the results of Sutekh winning, which mirrors the scorched earth scene with Maestro.
The Doctor is the Oncoming Storm that's one of the many names given to the Doctor.
The way the screen is set behind Kat it took me WAY longer then it should to realize they were in the same room and not filming separately. 🤣
What an UNEXPECTED throwback
it was kinda expected but it was a good choice!
"I lost my family to the most terrible things." Mel never had a proper introduction. We met her after she had already met the Doctor.
Possibly a Big Finish story? I don't know if they have explored that aspect of Mel's life. 🤔
I remember Mel not being well regarded as a companion at the time. Mostly her character was written around her ability to scream... which was epic, but she was otherwise short changed the stories of that era.
@@tenmark7055 She's definitely better written this time round
@@WebMonkey741 I've listened to some Big Finish stories with Melanie Bush. They do deep into her life, a really good story is the Wrong Doctor. It shows the Doctor's first meeting with Mel.
@@WebMonkey741 Not yet....
Gabriel Woolf returning to the role of Sutekh after almost 50 years having also provided the original voice in Pyramids of Mars. He also voiced the Beast in Planet of the Old/Satan Pit.
My favourite parts of this episode was 15 and Kate, their dynamic is great! The scene where they talk about susan was super sweet. Also mel telling him to pull himself together was great lmao, he has great support with the companions who know how to see him as he is
The fact that you described Mrs Flood as “something creepy in the corner” is *hilarious!*
"Your evil is my good! I'm Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good!" "It is within my power to choose the manner of your death. I can, if I choose, keep you alive for centuries, wracked by the most excruciating pain." Sutekh is perhaps the best villain of classic who and only appeared once. I would recommend watching Pyramids of Mars its fantastic, one of the best. You seriously need to watch it. Sutekh is leagues above the doctor, the timelords, the master, Davros, the Daleks, the toy maker etc in what he can do. Also Gabriel Woolf who voices him and who voiced the Beast/devil in series 2. His voice is also just next level, also the fact he voiced this at 91 and sounds no different!
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Doctor: "What's their name?"
Kate: "Hugh. You met him"
Doctor: "Yeah, I know, but what's his full name?"
Kate: "Hugh. Hugh Jass!" [Dramatic orchestral swell]
As a fan, my earliest memory, the episode that hooked me into "Doctor Who" back in the 70's, was “Pyramids of Mars“ with Tom Baker's 4th Doctor. OMG!!!
After nearly 50 years, to see the return of my first Whovian villain, Sutekh (and to have his original voice, Gabriel Woolf, reprise his role), had me screaming and left on a high.
UK viewers get to relive Sutekh's first outing in the show (a terrifying 49 years ago) courtesy of a Tales of the Tardis special. So one assumes Tom will get a moment there. It may even be his last screen appearance if so. As someone pointed out, he and Gabriel Woolf are the only surviving cast members of the earlier story.
"Your evil is my good. I am Sutekh the destroyer. Where I tread I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good."
Absolutely loved this episode. All the red herrings and misdirection before the reveal left me gagged. This was RTD at his best, can't wait for next week.
"He was the best of men." Great, 15 minutes in and I was already blubbering like an idiot.
gods mentioned in this episode that have appeared in classic episodes are Mara the god of Beasts from the 5th doctor era, the Trickster who is actually from the Sarah Jane adventures and one of his lackeys was the beetle from the 10th doctor episode 'Turn Left,' obviously Toymaker from 1st Doctor, and the trifold gods of Misery, Mischief, and Malice are most likely Rag, Nar, and Rog from the 7th Doctor story 'Greatest Show in the Universe' And noticeably missing is the god Fenric from the 7th story 'Curse of Fenric'
We need Fenric back! (But then 'Curse of Fenric' is my all-time fave Who serial)
each year in the UK, a shop called John Lewis releases a Christmas commercial and honestly it’s like a try not cry moment every year with them.
There was a tiny bit of a "next time" clip on Unleashed, but it was very brief and was just essentially UNIT firing on the TARDIS/manifestation of Sutekh.
Also, the double episode was intended for cinema showings in the UK and possibly elsewhere, I suspect they then get to see both so no need for a "next" segment.
His name has been Set. And Seth. And Sithifer. And his one true name for evermore is... Neil.
Kneel before the might of Sutekh!
Best bunny ever!
My partner isn't steeped in 'lore' so didn't know Sutekh as a classic villain, but also didn't immediately assume it was. Their assumption was that this was a new thing, bringing in a real Egyptian god, and that worked for them, so I think responses will vary from person to person.
One of the names mentioned by the "Harbinger" avatar is the three fold deity....the three fold man is a name Dalek Caan referred to the Doctor back in Journeys End. The Doctor also has Three names now... Timeless Child, The Doctor, The Valeyard
Just got back from the cinema where I watched the two part finale (I deliberately didn't watch last week's episode so I could watch them together) and now I can finally watch your reaction 🎉🎉🎉
Yay!!! Congrats on the two part finale in theatre 😍😍
@@KatAlysha There is always something special about seeing DW at the cinema. Fantastic reaction as usual ❤️
did they edit out the credits at the end of the first part and skip the intro on the second so it was like a proper movie? either way curious if that would have been a better experience are as equally disappointing. im sorry but as much crap as we give Moffat for his shenanigans RTD is far worse. Moffat just did it on a smaller scale a lot. Thats not to say he didnt also go big at times as well but him and RTD just always digging into the same bag of tricks
@@SoTOreo No they had a 15 minute interval followed by a special message from Millie before continuing with the final episode.
I thought the legend of Ruby Sunday was a cracking episode and got me on the edge of my seat. The finale felt like a rushed affair and I felt completely let down.
Kats attempt at a jump scare by shaking the camera 😂
And an idea for your roleplay idea at the beginning: Gallifrey Grans 😁
There were a couple of Pyramids of Mars references in earlier episodes and even I didn't see this coming
I saw an article a couple of years ago that indicated that Sutekh & the Rani could not be used by the BBC due to the copyrights being in dispute. Doctor Who & other BBC character ownership belonged to the writer and if the estate was in doubt, the characters could bot be used again. Glad it was settled and now hoping for The Rani!
@@tenmark7055 Sutekh is based on actual egyptian mythology though...can't copyright that
Did you notice that 15 tells Ruby that Time Lords regenerate sometimes to ‘just hide themselves away’ THEN Mrs. Flood tells Ruby and Rose that she doesn’t get out much because she normally ‘just hides herself away’!! Strong hints she’s a time traveler if not an outright Time Lord herself. What do you gals think?
On a side note I’ve been going through a really difficult time in life for the last few years and your reaction videos are so wonderfully uplifting, happy and therapeutic. So thank you from this Whovian’s heart. ❤️🩹🥀
Alien/Old gods have been there since the First Doctor. The Animus, The Great Intelligence, The Nestene Consciousness, Sutekh, The Guardians, The Mara, The Gods of Rag Na Rok...
I'm 71 and have been a devoted fan since 2005. Some old biddies love Doctor Who 🧙😁❤️
Useful classic serials to watch Pyramids of Mars (4th Doctor and Sarah) Kinda (5th Doctor Tegan, Nyssa and Adric) Snakedance, ( 5th Doctor Tegan and Nyssa) The Greatest Show in the Galaxy (7th Doctor and Ace).
Sutekh is voiced by Gabriel Woolf (91 years old) who voiced Sutekh in The Pyramid of Mars.
I think Kat's response is really interesting because as a fan I can see your feeling of 'I should know who that is but I don't' Which in my opinion shows that unfortunately in this instance Russel was too busy trying to make a big moment for classic fans whilst not thinking hang on most of my audience is 'new who' fans who don't know who this is. At the end of the day Sutekh appeared once 49 years ago it's a super deep cut reference that a huge number of fans won't know. I only knew because I was following rumours so watched Pyramids of Marse last week. The moment was incredible but only because I had just watched it and was hoping that's who it was going to be.😊
It’s weird to see people who don’t know who Sutekh is watching the episode. It would be like Spyfall’s reveal without knowing who the Master is. As someone who grew up with classic Who (or Doctor Who as we called it back then), it left me screaming. It’s a shame it falls flat for people who haven’t seen earlier episodes.
I suspected Sutekh would be the big bad because of the hints they’ve dropped throughout this series. Eg They lift a scene directly from _Pyramids of Mars_ in _The Devil’s Chord_ where the Doctor shows Ruby an alternative present day. The Doctor left him to spend an eternity trapped in a time tunnel, so it would make sense that he would be “the one who waits”. He’s also basically The Devil, which would make sense as to why the Toymaker would be scared of him. It would need to be a manipulation of time that he needed to escape - hence the groaning TARDIS. And of course, the cheesy Sue’s Tech (honestly, Russell! Smh)
A couple of thoughts.
With references to the Gods of Ragnarok and the Mara, RTD is grouping together a group of Classic era god level enemies. I wonder if Fenric is included. All of which may mean they will appear over the next few years. Yes, god level beings exist in classic Who. They were never connected before. However some manifestations might overlap with others.
The Sutekh drop was pure fan service for us classic people who are old enough to remember. I was cheering while going "oh feck this is bad".
In The Devil's Chord, when the Doctor showed Ruby the ruined future - this was a direct homage to Pyramids of Mars, and RTD has hit anew level of foreshadowing.
I don't think Sutekh is the big bad. The shenanigans around Mrs Flood is to be explained. Then there is the Ruby's mum issue. If there is a major reveal, I expect someone more generally known and not something only the diehards know. RTD has always been keeping things open for all new viewers. This smacks of a type of gatekeeping that I don't believe RTD would do.
Gabriel Woolf, the voice of Sutekh was also the voice of The Beast in The Impossible Planet. Probably why you are getting vibes of that. Also I wouldn't be shocked if we get an explicit connection. Or it could be left implicit.
The Pyramids episode is also notable for showing what happens if the Doctor doesn't defeat a villain and then the future is ruined as a result. Which RTD DID for the Beatles episode. Brilliant callback and foreshadowing!
Kat wearing Egyptian style eye makeup is a wonderful co-incidence!
A special 'Tales of the TARDIS' exploring the 1975 #DoctorWho adventure PYRAMIDS OF MARS is coming to BBC iPlayer and BBC Four in the UK on Thursday 20th June
I'm soooo happy they brought Gabriel Woolf back. Just hearing that voice takes me back to when I was five years old. 😱
Great to see characters like the Toymaker and Sutekh return after 50+ years, one day would love to see returns for characters like the Rani, Meddling Monk, the Trickster, The Mara and the Black Guardian would be cool to see
Are you my Mummy? If only they have mummies and orphans next week, it would be a terrible pun.
Regarding that brief recap of Pyramids of Mars: the Eye of Horus was a large ruby.
In School Reunion, Sarah Jane says she has met mummies. If she was still alive she could have helped Unit? Pyramids of Mars was a Classic. Sarah Jane at her best.
That look Kate gives the Doctor after the security guy gets killed is probably the best bit of acting in a season full of _amazing_ acting.
The doctors had fought Daleks, Cybermen, weeping Angels, vashta Narada, Ragnarok, The Silence, Sontarans and everything in between yet he was petrified of Sutekh
Remember end of time when the doctor tells the master about the time war and the nightmare child and his army of never meanwhiles and neverwhere? Sutekh would have been more powerful then them, He is the God of Death who believes he is good
10:02 SHE’S WEARING THE CLARA OUTFIT
Think I'll go rewatch Pyramids of Mars on Britbox. Sutekh was in Classic Who both on screen and in other media.
Bases on your intro I look forward to: "This episode of Bluey is called: The Grannies Watch Dr Who"
That Sutekh reveal reminds me of when they introduced John Hurt ahead of the 50th Anniversary special, they really cranked up the reveal and then he turned around and although I know the actor, I was like, I don't really understand the significance of this or why I'm supposed to be THIS shocked by it. So I'm inclined to think that it's not about knowing the Pyramids of Mars etc, they were just trying to make it as megahype as possible and in the end you're left being told how to feel about it instead of actually feeling that way. Plus let's be honest, the character design of the CGI Sutekh looks like something from Scooby-Doo 2 Monsters Unleashed, if something that cartoonish popped out and told me it was the Destroyer of Worlds I would be like, have you seen yourself, Pupper?? I did really enjoy this episode overall though and the whole Time Window sequence is my favourite scene of the whole season, I almost feel like the Sutekh thing has overshadowed what is a really good pre-finale in its own right.
My childhood Doctor's nemesis
Sutekh is the last of the Osirans from the world Phaester Osiris. He became paranoid that some other life form would secede him as a supreme being, and decided to devote himself to death, dust, and darkness. In the Dr Who mythos, he is the influence for the Egyptian god Set, and he was entombed by 740 of his fellow Osirans in ancient Egypt, with a relay on Mars containing the key to his prison. He was stopped by the 4th Doctor in 1911, on the grounds where UNIT would have their HQ in the future. Sutekh has appeared in the extended universe, as has aspects and relics of the lost Osiran culture.
Another great reaction. It’s such a shame you guys hadn’t got to Pyramids of Mars. It’s one of the all time great stories. As someone who is loving this new series but didn’t love RTD’s original run (I hated Bad Wolf but loved Satan Pit/ Impossble Planet. Which now seems to be Sutekh as well, not just the same voice). This reveal got me on my feet. My favourite RTD episode to date. That list of gods from the reveal shows the series has always played in that space. Maybe for the classic Who watch Pyramids, Kinda & Snakedance (for The Mara), The Trickster trilogy from Sarah Jane Adventures . And round it of with the new animation of The Celestial Toymaker might be a good related line up. I hope that after you’ve seen Pyramids it boosts your opinion of this episode and also helps you recognise some of the clues that have been in the series so far.
Was about to comment on the ep title being wrong, then it literally changed as I was typing this. 🤣
Very excited to see your reaction to this, such an insane episode! 💜
I have *no* idea what you're talking about.... I had it right the whole time😂😂😂
They’ve been very subtly teasing Sutekh since the initial promo shots of Ncuti with the rainbow background. It looks a lot like Sutekh’s time tunnel effect from Pyramids of Mars.
The Brigadier did actually meet (or see) Susan in "The Five Doctors".
After telling those tales to young Kate.
I want to make a t-shirt with Frankenstein on it and the caption "Science Fiction: Woke since 1818"
Today I learned the plastic aliens from the first episode of modern who were from classic who.
The TARDIS matrix was green and 10's interior had a very green/coral look..
"Evil? Your evil is my good. I am Sutekh the Destroyer, where I tread I leave dust and darkness, I find that good."
You and sesskasays are battling for my fave reactors atm
At least Sesskasays actually watched Pyramids of Mars.
Also JustSoShayla
@@Ocsttiac looks like we lose
@@PaulaDeming You need to start a club. At least, I´d love to see a collaboration between all of you! I´m so fan of you two and Shayla (and Blind Wave)
Actually, we've met more than two of the gods already. Besides the Toymaker and Maestro, we've also met the Trickster in the Sarah Jane Adventures spin off and the god Mara as well which is also from Classis Who. As a fan of Doctor Who since I can remember (at least 77 or so, where I was 5) seeing Sutekh come back AND being voiced by the original actor who played Sutekh back in Pyramids of Mars is awesome. Now, they've obviously retconned Sutekh into being this super mega god of gods, but he was easily the most powerful being the Doctor met in the entire franchise even back in the Tom Baker days etc. In the "extended" universe aka comics etc. Sutekh makes at least one appearance that I'm aware of - and some of the story beats have been used so far, including also stuff from a Trickster story that was never used (an abandoned baby left at a door step that turns out to be very important....sound familiar?).
And Mrs. Flood has to be the Doctor's granddaughter Susan. She literally said she hides herself away, right after the Doctor explained regeneration to Ruby as saving themselves from death, or hiding away. I know they made her out to be sinister in that scene with storm coming, I just think that's a misdirection.
Love your view ,but sorry I. Believe FLOOD= RANI
I also believe CHERRY SUNDAY will be huge reveals
I also believe Donna's ROSE Carrues baby ruby vI a tine tunnel in 2004 OR cloaked woman Is KATE via time window
The Doctors daughter may end up being ruby's mother, but I believe DR AND RANI will collaborate to best SUETEKH and restore the timelord race
On our bbc4 and iplayer channels tonight (thurs) there us a tales of the tardis ep showing the og pyramids of mars ep where you furst meet sutekh plus the dr and ruby talking about their journey so far
As I’m sure many have already commented, lots of cool references for longtime Who fans in that monologue listing the gods alone - here’s an idea post-season finale: you could make a classic / new Who / spinoff viewing list for their stories (Sutekh, the Mara, the Trickster, the threefold deity that is probably referencing the Gods of Ragnarok)!
As for them being gods vs aliens, I think there’s been plenty of (admittedly vague) references to them as beings operating outside the normal laws of physics / time / space, which probably makes them view themselves as gods. Sutekh in classic Who was originally the last survivor of an all powerful ancient race called the Osirians.
The scene in the Time Window was an actual hologram. The actors were seeing what we were seeing.
I’m totally on the same page.
For me it kind of feels like we’ve jumped in at what should be season 3 or 4.
I don’t think we’ve had the time to understand the threat, feel the stakes, or even emotionally connected to the characters enough.
It also feels a bit weird for the first season of the ‘fresh start’ to bring in an arc that is only truly satisfying to those who have seen classic who?
There's still so many things unanswered. We don't know who Ruby is and why it snows, we don't know who Mrs Flood is, we don't know why there's so many 4th wall breaks, we don't know why Mavity still exists (as a word), how and when Sutekh attached itself to the Tardis. So there's a lot to resolve, which is worrying
VERY worrying. Especially as I feel RTD's part twos are often on the weaker side.
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby his resolutions are generally rubbish, occasionally Ok. We've seen from the trailer the scale of what's going to happen, and I fully expect a handwave / deus ex machina roll back, probably by Ruby.
@@GedUK Yep, probably some sort of reset button too. The man loves a reset button.
Great reaction and review. Sutekh is a villain from the classic show. The fourth doctor, played by Tom Baker, just barely defeated Sutekh, with the help of Sarah Jane. It took hundreds of Osiarans to trap Sutekh the first time. The doctor knew Sutekh was god-like. He showed Sarah Jane the future where Sutekh escaped. The entire universe was dead. The Doctor finally triumphed by trapping Sutekh in a time corridor for 7000 years. He was supposed to have aged the evil Osiran to death, but with all the universe rule changes in the last decade it's not surprising to have him return. As to who will die....if they go by the classic who method ... everyone except the doctor and his companions. Since they are dealing with "deities" now, to win....they will need make a sacrifice. It's my felling that Susan will return, but not sure how. Maybe to simply be that sacrifice.
Sometimes RTD really thinks he's alot cleverer than he actually is. That H.Arbinger reveal felt like an intellectually insulting "bwahahaha, aren't I clever!" moment.
Personally, if I had to guess, I think Mrs Flood could be Susan. The original few Doctors did 4th wall breaks on occasion, Hartnell being the first (and only one to acknowledge he was in a TV show) so chances that she's a Timelord at the very least is pretty high.
I'm actually kinda convinced that Ruby is one of these Gods herself. Sutekh was at war with the Ancient Egyptian Gods, trying to overthrow the throne he was meant to protect and in mythology, Ra is usually represented by a Red Sun. A Ruby Sun(day) you might say?
Watching as an 8 years old in 1975 'Pyramids of Mars' was by far my favourite DW story. The following year I bought and read the novel, and in 1985 bought and watched, and re-watched, the VHS. At some point I even wrote a sequel (if i recall correctly it also had Sarah-Jane, Romana II and both their K9s in it...)
Somehow, despite being in Japan and not being able to watch it until 48 hours after broadcast, I remained spoiler-free for this episode. The final minutes left me grinning ear-to-ear. I may have even punched the air in a most un-British manner. Absolutely loved every moment.
And my very next thought was, "this will mean absolutely nothing to anyone who hasn't watched PoM". Your reaction essentially confirmed that. It'a shame. Given this was meant to be a whole new thing, 'series 1', Disney, it seems strange to have relied so heavily on the past. As an ancient fan I am very, very happy, but I hope new watchers will be carried through.
"Your evil is my good. I'm Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good."
On the discussion you had at the end - I would note that RTD has never _permanently_ and physically) harmed a companion's family member. Including Rhys in Torchwood. I would be _surprised_ if Carla and Cherry weren't fine by the end of this storyline, even if they're placed in danger at some point within it. Traumatized? Maybe. Physically harmed? I'd be surprised.
...Unless Cherry not getting a cup of tea counts as physical harm because I am resigned to that being a running gag.
If there's another candidates for The One Who Waits, it's Cherry Sunday. She's always waiting for a cup of tea!
@@firefly24601 lol perfect
i think the backstory for sutekh will come in the beginning of the 2nd part. they will work in what people need to know. i think the most interesting thing is mrs. fludd. right after the doctor described regeneration as a means of hiding away she says she's always been hiding away. combined with the reaction to the tardis it seems she is a time lord who is not familiar with the doctor since hartnell. she didn't recognize what the tardis was at first but later did so she hasn't known of this one with the damaged chameleon circuits. at least not in person. she may know of his reputation. susan is out since she would have recognized the box right away. i'd even say classic who is out for the most part unless they introduce an earlier regeneration of a classic time lord.
I'm really interested to know if the ending works for people who aren't familiar with Sutekh. I got into Who as a kid in the 90's watching my dad's VHS's. Pyramids of Mars was one of the first Who stories I ever saw and watching scifi with him was one of the main ways we bonded despite being such different people. He passed recently after I cared for him for several years so hearing Sutekh's voice briefly took me back to childhood,so it really hit me hard.
It worked for me, just because of the worse than the Toy Maker, worse than Maestro, worse than Trickster, the God of Death. Like, yeah, I haven't seen Pyramids of Mars, but I think I've got a pretty good idea how bad things are about to get.
It worked for me, but i knew seth from egyptian mythology
I'm really glad it worked so well for you! Not a super great reveal for me BUT there could be lots of different contextual reasons for that. I'm excited to see how I feel after watching the second part
i love how the doctor and kate had moment where she hugged because she knew he wasnt okay and was scared to meet his granddaughter and how much it would hurt him.
and i love how kate looked at the doctor when ruby asked why cant the doctor know his own granddaughter and how she just let the doctor explain regeneration.
I knew you were going to love the first few minutes as much as I did!!! THANKS for this!!!!
Hey gals. This is the most excited I have felt about Doctor Who since... I don't know when! Sutekh! Oh Gals! Please run don't walk and watch Pyramids of Mars before next week! It is one of Tom Baker's absolute best episodes ever, and the fact you've already started watching Classic Who will help as I know ya'll will appreciate the fact that it was made in 1975 as a kids show... and yet can also be utterly thrilling tv. I hope RTD does Sutekh right in the next ep...
This is the best reveal RTD has ever done!! It does pay off the build up, but more for classic Who fans and fans of The Sarah-Jane Adventures. Really, you have to know Pyramids of Mars, Kinda and Snakedance (5th Doctor) for The Mara, The Trickster from SJA, and possibly Greatest Show of the Galaxy (7th Doctor). While it doesn't help brand new fans, for the people that know all the history, this was AMAZING!!!
Also I don't think Mrs. Flood is as bad as you think!! Just sayin'!!! Hahaha!
I agree. I was blown away. But I also agree that it doesn’t work for new fans. I didn’t consider that at the time. But then you could say that about any big reveal. What would the big Dalek reveal in _Bad Wolf_ be like if you missed _Dalek?_
I’m genuinely not sure what I feel is fair criticism here. A lot of people started watching at Matt Smith, so the big reveal that Missy is The Master would mean nothing to them. Can you criticise a show because you personally haven’t watched certain episodes, or is there an accepted point where we assume people need to be educated on past plots/characters that happened before it?
I’m with you on Mrs. Flood. I’m not 100% that she’s evil. She’s blunt, but so’s the Doctor. She may even be vital in bringing Sutekh down.
I am a fan of both the New and the Classic series of Doctor Who. When the episode revealed that Sutekh had returned, that chilled me to the bone. I needed time to recover because I know how dangerous Sutekh is! It is kind of like what happened when Maestro or the Celestial Toymaker or the Trickster (see Trickster's Brigade - Turn Left episode) is involved. You know they are elemental forces and are difficult to beat. They can bend reality to their whim.
God of Death not threatening enough without knowing about Sutekh?, we were also told by the Toymaker that the only one he feared to challenge was the one who waits! Its easy for me to say though being a big fan of the Tom Baker era and my first thought was the only foe that scared the fourth doctor was Sutekh the Destroyer.
Also, what Meastro said while interrogating Ruby, "He could not have known, he wasn't there!" or something.
The Tardis interior had a green glow to it for the begining of the New Who era. That might be why you associate the color with Who.
that makes sense!
Hi Gallifrey Gals! My theory is that Ruby Sunday is the daughter of Dorothy Bell from the comics. They have the same hair and eye color. Ruby's theme is Carol of the BELLS.