Will a VERTICAL engine SURVIVE mounted HORIZONTALLY ?
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Now here's the ultimate question. Can a horizontal shaft be run vertically?
hummmm ?????
that's what I'm wondering i would love to put a pred 212 in a mower mounted vertically
At least for a little bit you can
mine will in a wheelie, you will have oil starvation if you dont upgrade the oil pump and put a tube that picks it up from the back of the motor
@@xbrun3356technically anything can do anything for a “little bit”
That transmission is a peerless 2300 series and that mower is amazing
ohh ok ! it seem like a heavy duty transaxle ! looks tuff
@@MisterdionneYT yep 1 love the 1 inch axle I have that transaxle in all of my 7 mowers😂 they are the best
When you said peerless 2300 I instantly thought about the John Deere 110
You just solved a mystery that I'm sure a bunch of us have had for ages😂😂😂
yeah ! i been thinking about that for weeks ! had to try it ! now we know haha it might blow up eventually but it ran for 3hours no problem
What in the scooby snack was that laugh 3:43
hahaha !
Don’t believe it has a rev limiter just lack of fuel as you said. Pulse pumps work great on those things
It's supposed to be governed it's likely valve float, it will kill it eventually even if it is running out of fuel that will kill it even faster they hate being lean
Hello
Could've said accelerator pump but that works
@@truckercarterO9 no lol those are different things, he's talking about a low pressure vacuum/pressure powered fuel pump they're run on the pulse from the crankcase made by the engine and they're very common on lawnmowers, he'd have to go to a motorcycle or powersports carb to get an accelerator pump of any kind, you can rig something up to act similar to an accelerator pump tho
@@zakburnett6690 oh ok
Errrrr I'm pretty sure that engine casing is not cast iron and is actually alluminium but nice try with welding a steel nut into it.
I was losing it........ "cant weld to cast iron" well no not if its aluminum
is it really aluminium ?
Yes it’s cast aluminum
Yes aluminum!!!! Use a magnet when in doubt
@@MisterdionneYTyes haha
I wanted to watch this so bad but cant stand the camera work so I'm out. It's good, just not for me lol
the camera work ? wdym
@MisterdionneYT probably referring to the spazzin around
@@MisterdionneYTcant satisfy everyone i guess 🤷♂️ i think the camera work is gr8 m8 👍
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You would have been far better off tapping the aluminum engine case for the new fill plug and just leaving the fill plugs in the old holes.
0:34 camshaft valve "tappets", also more commonly knows as lifters.
Nope just tappets lifters are different
You need to fix the mixture on the carb so you can remove The rev limiter😂
That case is made from cast aluminum, that’s why you can’t weld it. Even if you tried tig welding it it doesn’t turn out well
It's probably valve float that's causing it to flutter.
Great video, it's surprising how the engine's surviving like that!
its still alive haha
Hé man tu devrais parler plus français dans tes vidéos comme "easter egg", nous les bilingues on se marre!
This dude watched a lot of schoobie doo... 😮
your engine doesnt have a rev limiter its just that at that rpm is where you float your valves if you want to get more rpms out of it you need beefier valve springs but that comes with risks like exceeding any speed limitations that the crank and cam might have andafter a point maby how strong your valves are
😂😂😂 this is like giving some to a five year old and saying have at it 😂😂😂😂
All you have to do is buy the horizontal side cover and retrofit it with a motor plate. It’s the same thing basically.
Can you use an axle vertical?
Imagine owning a welder, but not being able to tell what type of metals you are working with.
im learning my guy
@@MisterdionneYT Alright I'll give you that one... we all started somewhere!! It was just too easy and I was feeling like a prick.
@@jasonstclair6293 its because on the engine it say cast iron bore so i thought it was all cast iron since the engine weighs a ton ! ( cast iron is really heavy )
@@MisterdionneYT Unfortunately it's just a cast iron sleeve in the cylinder. A lot of the weight comes from the flywheel which is also some form of steel / iron.
That looks like cast aluminum
Its so exciting to see your videos and love your ideas😊
Glad you like them!
The idk parts are lifters for the valves.
ok i didnt know how to say it because i am french haha
I've done this a bunch of times You undo one bolt and the connecting arm to the crank shaft. Take a piece of coffee can or soup. Can bend it in a way that will scoop and throw oil. Make sure you rotate it. So it's not hitting. Anything I used to make Go-Karts with them all the time.
I need to do the opposite. Mount a horizontal shaft engine vertically. Since I am in California I cannot legally buy a new engine for my riding mower. My engine had something try to exit the crankcase via a non-engineered exit hole.
Harbor Freight has only small vertical engines, I need a 17 HP or larger. But Harbor Freight does have large horizontal engines. Engines For Less, and other vendors, will not ship their 17 HP vertical engines to California.
This video has me contemplating doing a similar modification.
Easy if you use a Suzuki M120x 2stroke lawnmower engine 😂 like I put on my bicycle, 85kph no worries
thats sick man, epic motor for lasting so long!!
Hello bro
funny how, that when me and my freind tried doing that, our engine just said fuck you and lost compression
There is probably to much oil. There is supposed to be a thing attached to the crank that flicks the oil up.
@@nedlyest so thats why it lost compression?
@@yourlocalrussiankid9162 if it's to full it's going to bypass the piston rings, and fill the cylinder and burn oil. If it gets gummy enough it will make the rings stick and make bad compression. You can tear it apart and clean the rings and probably will run again
@@nedlyest ohhhh gotcha man
bro im planning on putting 28mm carb on my 2002 briggs and stratton engine and making it horizontal and i finnaly i found someone as autistic and not afraid of speed as me
I mounted one that way on a homemade mini bike in the late 60’s. It survived. I had to use a different carburetor though.
As someone who has a tecumseh engine mower that doesnt work, and lives in a town that rivals tecumseh (they made us shut our hospital down and had one built inbetween our towns) fuck them lol
Someone forgot to take their ADHD pills and I'm not complaining
Why does he sound like a really young version of Project Farm? Love the video tho
There is a special cast welding rod and you need to torch the area your welding to a certain temperature to weld cast.
Qwhy didint you try to find one of those v twin mower engines that would have been really cool
You can make or buy the little oil splasher that connects to the connecting rod for horizontal engines… I’ve made a few mower engines work that way
The scooby laugh was perfect made me laugh
SO MUCH in this video screams that you have ZERO idea what you're doing.. Oil level wayyyyyyy too damn high, Trying to mig weld steel to aluminum... Just stop... LOL
i am learning my guy ! you can't learn without mistakes !
YT will pay you too, to act the fool...
Tecumseh engines and briggs engines are both great. They were our go to engines for go karts and mini bikes back in the day!
Briggs flathead all day, 'the junk says' were exactly as named...
If you could find a Wisconsin or a Kawasaki on the west coast back in the 70's, you were king shit among minibikers and gocarters. 😊
its always been a thing to do it on the cheap, you just fill the crank case enough that the rod can dip into the oil. It wont last forever but will be enough to have fun with for awhile. Other things ive done is just get a piece of sheet metal and make a dipper and bolt it to one rod bolt, works well.
Your good at beatboxing to lol
yayyy more terrible welding!
Bros the god of lawnmowers
I'm going to go ahead and comment before I finish watching I'm going to guess that the only way for it probably function is if you change the way the oil is being flung around inside the crankcase and the carburetor has to be the right way to
You don't need a torque converter if you have a transmission. That's like having 2 transmissions.
At 103. You can see that this engine has a oil pump. All you had to do is add a tube to the bottom to the sump. And with the gear on the governor also acts like a oil Salinger as in a opposed twin B&G .not to mention the balance shaft was was doing the same thing also . kids look shit up before you try something you might just learn how to do things the right way. Then your learning skills instead of making stupid videos.
Where are you seeing an oil pump at 103?
its not even a oil pump its an oil squirter !
Need a half track
The downsyndrome makes the video a lot more enjoyable 🤗
wtf hahahaha !
I tried this before with a vertical 12hp briggs flathead. It worked but it would spray all of its oil out of the breather tube.
Want something fast with a little power? Put a weed Wacker engine in a velomobile if you can find one at low cost.
Wrong RTV
This channel gave me How to basic vibs, So I subscribed.
Yo Tecumseh some of the most reliable engines don't where you herd that?
Does Jimmy have a TH-cam channel
@@HunterWolf-q3t no but i am trying to get him to create one !
Did you use gasket maker as a head gasket lol?
nope haha
There's no diper on the crankshaft
no ! haha still survived because of the counter balancer !
half the video was just how to baisic
hahaha ! i totally forgot that guy haha ! what a waist of food thooo hahaha
With that crawl low gear, it would make a cool half-track
Lovin the videos cant wait for more! tbh your giving me hope on my mud mower project🙂
Welding steel to aluminum rarely works. Those engines had aluminum blocks.
Where a plug would have done well, you tried to fuse a washer.
didnt have a plug haha easy way but dirty way my guy ! anyway a lawn mower engine is basicaly free like 20$ 40$ so i dont really care haha it worked so thats what matters haha
i love how you realy think about everything
I always knew it was possible. Awesome video. Cabt wait to see upgrades. Bigger jets for more fuel, advance timing to maximize top rpms. Very cool.
Thanks !
That is awesome! I loved this video. Your welds are looking better too, just got to play around with the settings and you will have great looking welds! if I were to make a suggestion on what setting to change,(not a journeyman welder, so really, don't count on my info to work perfect) I would turn down the wire speed a little. Let me know how that works for you. Thanks for a great video!
haha thanks for the tips and tricks ! but unfortunetly the welder i am using doesnt have a wire speed setting ! it regulates the wire speed automatically with the amps
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I did that years ago to a 3.5briggs , it seized because I didn’t put a dipper on the conrod to splash the oil around lol
but it also didnt put a oil dipper ??
I hope the Next bild is going to be a 4x4 lawnmower 2 axels one in the back and one in the front I hope you can make one 😅
its in my project list !
Yo Genius. If you install an oil slinger from a horizontal shaft engine, you'll be fine. If not best of luck! Oh the oil slinger is mounted on the cap of the connecting rod. Just thought i'd mention since you seem to be an expert. LOL Best of luck in all your endeavors. I mean that!
i am not an expert ! lmao
@@MisterdionneYT Only way to become one is by doing. You're heading in the right direction. Every mistake is a learning experience just a success is.
@@leostgeorge2080 yes my friend
@MisterdionneYT you know the definition of an expert?
An Ex is a has-been, a Spurt is just a drip under pressure. Never claim to be an expert, always claim you're learning with every job.
My dad told me that 50 years ago & I never forgot it.
@@Voo_Doo_Blue So you're a drip under pressure? I can believe that. Maybe the voodoo got you? Strange people in this screwed up world. (you being one)
your transaxle is peerless 633
Mister Dion that crank case is made of cast aluminum how did you weld a steel washer to it?
i dont know it worked hahaha
Oh we building engines now! Lol
Do you speak Russian? I heard "Thank you" (in Russian) at 0:17
whattt 😂 nah i just make wierd noises haha wtf 😂
sound effects were on point
Hahaha thanks
What tires does jimmy have on his mower and what size
4snows and they are 22's
Be careful with the transmission. I've seen them break when more powerful engines have been added.
🤣🤣 peerless 2300 , one though axle
i dont think this axle will break haha
Nice video gd work
Bro is a paid actor 3:18
he doesnt like cameras idk why 😂
@mistordionneYT, I built a throttle pedal on my mower, I made sure everything was connected, and when I turn it on and put it in drive, it still just goes full speed and the throttle does nothing. How do I fix it?
do you have the governer still installed? is it put together properly if so? if its removed you might not have enough slack in your pedal causing it to lock the throttle wide open
the governor is completely removed
Throttle return spring?
(Or lack thereof.)
Venez vous de victo?
Thanks for sharing a great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome content!! Love this!
Not supprised it runs that good, the balance shaft 100% is working as the oil slinger. And due to it being a horizontal shaft, you can use a regular go cart clutch and a chain, and no belt slip, with a tiny back sprocket. Then it will be a beast!
the question is do they all have a balance shaft
@@MisterdionneYT no, I think only some single cylinders have them.
@@spudstudios3342 then its only possible with the ultra balanced engines since they have a balancer lol
@MisterdionneYT take a rod bolt out and put a dipper on it, and re tourqe it to spec. I saw someone do that to a push mower engine and it actually worked
how many hp is your engine?
all of it ! haha 12hp
Ok, you are giving me some good crazy ideas. Thanks
Glad to hear it!
@@MisterdionneYT My son doesn't see the appeal, Since I got a polaris outlaw 90 for $30 bucks from the rubbish dump and see it as parts to make things from, not a bike to fix. hahaha. The thing is missing the flywheel/starter-clutch and variable drive primary. And also the cvt housing cover.
Still. Thanks for the inspiration!
Is the lawn mower 4wd
no its not haha
3:41
that's really helpful, but now i wanna see if a engine intended to be mounted horizontally(of a bike) mounted vertically, i need that information for my project and i don't have the budget to risk ruining an engine for science
why on earth do you need to run a horizontal shaft engine vertically? Just get a vertical shaft engine, good old briggs and stratton vertical shaft engines are on every $14 crappy lawnmower
@@jaredlancaster4137 correct me if I'm wrong but I think that company only sales in north America
@@My_Gaming_Mind oh, you're not from around here. Yeah probably, but the brand doesn't matter. My point was that old lawnmowers are cheap and plentiful, and so it's not hard to find a vertical shaft engine.
@@jaredlancaster4137 It's hard to see one let alone getting an old one lol, but motorcycle engines are cheap and easy to find
If not why not put 4wd
ohhh great idea
i fond an 820 at the junkyard man what a find
what is a 820 ?
@@MisterdionneYT peerless 820 is like the one in your red 80 kmh mower but with 1 inch axles very heavy duty
@@divine8119ohhh ok
Mint!
Cast eyeron is not necessarily pleasant to weld that is for sure
its basically impossible to weld ! what a pain
@@MisterdionneYT what being cool is that you did the conversion from the vertical shaft to horizontal. Never seen that done before without having to buy the proper bottom crankcase plate and without a dipper. Wonder if you could put a camera inside the engine and see what The oiling it is doing. I know it's a far stretch. But never seen it done.
@@quevicular oil would splash on the camera and i dont think we could see anything unfortunatly 😂
@@MisterdionneYT yeah I know right? Failed attempt but at least if it's splashing it's splashing and it's doing something in there that's working for sure. The oil is head butting all the engine parts in the crankcase, then it is all good. I think your dog would agree.
@@quevicular haha yes he did haha
the craftsman is it a hydrostatic?
the one i was using no
I believe they where talking about Jimmy’s mower
@@Willis_1- ohh my bad !! jimmy's mower is a pearless 6 gears !
I just got my first car! She's a 2009 Buick Lucerne, and she belonged to my mom's friend's late grandfather. She's practically new, there's no rust, no tears in the seats, no stains on the interior, the headlights aren't foggy, she was even garage kept her whole life. Unfortunately, they are known to have some fairly serious reliability issues, mainly relating to the electrical and fuel systems, as well as faulty water pumps, though the powertrain is pretty durable minus the previously mentioned water pumps. I'm still super happy with her though, and I'm very proud that I've actually managed to save enough money to buy a car and still have about $2,000 in savings left over.
hell yeah! treat it right and do your own maintenance youll learn a ton.
hell yeah thats awesome!
Just remember to change that oil often and do your other maintenance such as transmission fluid/filter services, power steering, coolant, brake fluid, brake pads, ect.
@@rcparts3d893 And replace the fuel filter ever 20-30,000 miles, because apparently if you don't do that with this car, the fuel pump dies.
Thats funny I am using the 12hp ohv tecumseh on my atv front suspension mower just still running transaxle setup, one thing I would worry about is getting oil to the rocker arms on the top of the engine then getting into some rpms
i forgot to show that there was plently of oil going up to the rocker arms valve springs !!!
I did it as a kid on a bike, it was easy because it was a 2 stroke.
How does comparing a 2 stroke to a 4 stroke add ANYTHING to this discussion?!?
Apples and oranges, my friend, apples and oranges.
Mister Dionne, in one of my books it says "Even the profane sinner in foul sacrilege of his oath acclaims the divine supremacy of Him whose name he desecrates." In other words when you take the name of Jesus Christ in vain you are testifying of him!
these words are a little to complex for me to understand because i am french but i think you are talking about my bad language ! and i am so sorry i dont even notice it in the moment but when i start editing im like omg i curse alot I NEED TO STOP SORRY
Hey, Mr Holy Roller, if you don't like what you see or hear a mechanic say or do, get the fuck out of his garage! Beelzebub 24:7
Mine just blows transaxles at 20hp and make it hard to actualy ride it hard becaue eaither the bull gear shoots out the case or the it all splits and cambers out like a honda