I’ve bought engines and gear boxes from breakers yards and they have all come in a wooden box on a pallet, the boxes are easy to make stud work uprights and crossbars on a pallet with 9mm ply on the outside and stickers saying fragile and do not drop or stack .
Have a joiner make a transport crate for the coswort engines . Then have 10 made. Send them with a surcherge to the customer of the build price and return postage ( probably £125) they keep them or return the emptys . Wnd adding lifting webbings would only add £8 . It adds professional touch and eliminates most knuckle head grief incidents
This incident is the reason engine shipping crates exist. If manufacturers use them for bog standard engines you should be using them for rare engines like that one.
When my father retired he didn't have much to do. My brother worked in a machine shop similar to yours at the time and they had the same problems with couriers. So they asked my father if he could make the deliveries with the van in stead of using courier. And that worked fine, the engines always arrived in good order. And he also became the face of the company because he was the one they always saw. He liked to chat and make funny jokes. That's how it worked on both sides. My father had something to do and the engines always arrived well. Maybe an idea for your shop?
Yep, my father in law does some courier jobs too for a friend of his using his Cummins Ram and drives a heavy loaded trailer. He is an old guy but one that makes sure all is "good and tight" secured to the deck and stop a couple of times on his route to check the load. Never had an accident in his trucking career. Such guys are gold.
Sounds good but how many private entrepreneurs could take the burden of a 50K financial liability? Even if they weren't at fault and something happened the first legal port of call is the person doing the job.
@@laurencehastings7473 Well if one of my past friends could take mercedes formula 1 bits to Europe if they runout of spare like nosecones in a mercedes sprinter. Im sure there is a cover more than fifty thousand pounds that doesn't brake the bank plus it's a yearly cover. Not per customer.
I think I would be looking into delivering high priced jobs to customers to do away with this carry on! Customer satisfaction has to be sorted out once and for all!
SUGGESTION - Unfortunately damage to expensive parts in transit is a ever-increasing problem, and you are never going to get the courier company to accept responsibility except in very rare situations, and then it takes many months to receive any refund or payment. One option, especially for engines and other expensive large parts, is to bolt them down and pack them in a wooden crate. Yes, you shouldn't have to do it and it's an added expense, but this type of packaging ensures a positive delivery and a positive customer experience, You should be able to find a local carpenter to supply these crates. Again,, just an option. Love your channel. Take care. Mike
We've seen the way you strap engines to a pallet, just wrapped around in one big loop. There is very little stopping the engine falling over, it needs to have straps down to the pallet both sides or as others have said crate the engines. Also with a strap going all the way around when forks lift the pallet, the forks can tighten the straps and break them.
Agree with crating the motor comments, re the td oil cooler i'd just replace it, it's going to be almost impossible to be certain if it is spotless in those passages. A relative races BTCC, after a motor rebuild the coolers are binned.
Enjoy your video's boys great work been in the trade for 50 odd years seen most of crazy things that can happen to engines and gearboxes in transport after all the hard work is done I then started making wooden crates to pack the engines and gearboxes in no further issues Keep the great content coming Thanks Mike MJL Engineering Cairns Australia
Hello Lee a lot of damage to the Cosworth engine wouldn’t it be better to send the engines in crates I guess it would be more expensive but it would give the engine more protection? Love the channel steve
JUST A BALLS UP ON YOUR PART LEE, PUT THE ENGINES SUCH AS THIS IN A REAL GOOD BOX , EVEN IF ITS 300 QUID FOR BOXING UP, WHEN THE ENGING IS $10,000 OR $12000 AND UNREPL;ACEABLE, GEZZ ABOUT TIME YOU SORTED YOUR SHIT SORTED
Definately. The only way to protect a valuable engine from shipping damage, is to build a sturdy crate on a pallet that is held on with like deck screws. 2" × 2" corner reinforcements with 3/8" or 10mm plywood glued and screwed to that. Steel banding or ratchet straps to hold it in place. For extra insurance, a layer or two of GRP on the outside and then paint it flourescent yellow or (just for Lee) orange. Then the shipping Co.s can not say with a straight face, " we did not see it".
You can bet that if I were sending a virtually priceless item across country, I'd spend the little extra to make sure it would survive the trip in one piece.
I agree with sending it with a "one man band" but it wasn't your courier that did the damage. I think it was dropped off a forklift from truck bead hight.
@@dennissheridan1550 The only way to do this is to deliver it yourself. I've hand built crates for paintings and sent guitars in bomb proof polycarbonate cases and they'll find a way to lose it or smash it, and they all do it, the giveaway is the very limited insurance they offer since they know they're going to do it.
Nothing personal, but Lee, why was the engine not placed a little more to the center of the pallet to prevent this type of damage? I have already suggested a special shipping crate for delivery with a core charge to the customer. The customer will ship the crate back to you, or give you a second engine to build, which is good business.....
That engine either fell off the back of a truck, fell off the forklift, or they had it unsecured and stacked on something in the truck and it fell over. How about setting up your van with a mount for an engine hoist and doing your own transportation. With what you are paying for delivery services, overages and damages you could run a part time driver and van, if not cheaper, a lot less hassle.
Come on Lee a 'Molegrip' even if it is a slave bolt! At GEC (Gas Turbines) no 'shifters or Moles' the damage to that beautiful engine by some cretinous Neanderthal would make you weep! Great channel sir!
wow such a nice motor.. i remember thinking how nicei ti s when you buttoned it up to go out!.. i see shipping companies in the UK are no different than they are here in the USA...
gonna have to start 'crating these engines... there must be a way creating a wooden box around the engine, with the engine 'bolted down' in centre of pallet. but there again, you can only do so much and still have some W ⚓ who'll still bugger it up! Oh, nice video, need to sort sound on Lee's mic, tho'😝
The more you pack it, the more the delivery people will abuse it. If they think its well packed in foam, it will be littlerly chucked it off a lorry onto the floor.
Back in the late 90's I had a large 3-beam projector delivered from the US to Australia for my home theatre room. It arrived with one side of the crate missing and the projector damaged. Shipper denied any liability. It was very securely crated otherwise because it took about 45 mins to get it out of the remnants of the crate.
I bet that went off a tail-lift using a pallet truck, landed on the pully. I've rejected a delivery once watching a bloke manoeuvring palleted items that weren't wrapped and without the guards fitted on the tail. The depots will jam the truck tight using a forklift .. pushing the pallets against each other ... and even with the driver's pallet truck wedged at the far end .. so they have to hand off-load half of it. As is the way - some do it for a laugh.
Why the hell are people transporting 1000s of pounds worth or engines on open pallets??? Use some proper engine flight cases like professionals like Geoff Richardsons use.
Ordered oil for my Evo two 5 gal Fuchs Pro Race 10/50 for my built engine and the delivery burst one 5 gal and made a right mess but caused all sorts off delays until I got a new delivery took two weeks extra.
Not again, like i said last time. If you look at aviation specs (ATA-300) for shipping the parts. These parts should be send in a reuseable container. You said what can you do? Ship it properly!! On a pallet strapped is not protecting it for damages.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
@@georgebettiol8338 doesn't really matter, should be packed in such a way that it could not be damaged unless a servere crash of the transportation or a high fall. Strapped to a pallet is not how you transport a rare engine
@@leonboersma2375 There is no debate on Barum's responisbily of ensuring the engine is delivered to the customer without damage and Lee can take option of personnally delivering the engine to the customer 'cocooned' (with no pallet) in his personal vehicle - if he chooses to do so. Once the undamaged item is receipted by the customer Barum loses control of what the customer elects to do next. If the customer unintentionally drops the engine from his bench - or engages "cheap-as-chips couriers' to on-forward the engine, or on-forwards the engine with partial or no tie-downs/packing that results in damage - that is a customer decision on which Barum has no say. As such your argument is highly questonable and would stand no chance in a court of law.
From when i was dealing with those engines 205 block was for 3 doors as the original engines came from using the head on an Injection block. And the RS500 was a 400 block and different to the others by having a lot more core plugs,
Start using wooden crates so its fully enclosed maybe? See if your local pallet company could make you some and do a deal if you're getting them regularly? Just a thought.🤙
Pity the courier wouldn't come clean and say exactly what happened to the RS 500 engine. If the Perkins is out of a 595 then its a 4-318, if its a 590 then its a 4-248, both engines look identical from the outside and have the same 127 mm stroke, the bores are different to give the different CC, i have overhauled a few of them down the years, as Isaac said overhaul kits are cheap as chips compared to car and jeep engines
The only thing you could do is put it in a crate with foam all around the engine, maybe get custom foams designed to form fit an engine the best you can and use those.
Looking forward to viewing your work on the alfa V6. Is this the V6 that uses the GM block. I'm interested in the head design in comparison to the GM product. Cheers. Keep up the good. Enjoying the content.
(a) truth is a defence to liable (b) the contract with the courier is to deliver the engine intact (c) document everything including photos or videos and engine numbers - especially the rare jobs if anything goes wrong you have the evidence to cover your arse - also we used to used a steel 4 post crate for transporting high risk items - agree with the comment below use private delivery or do it yourself
It wasn't Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customers courier that did it. However, I can understand the misunderstanding as Lee's voice during the video was barely audible.
@@georgebettiol8338 it doesn't really matter whether the client organised the courier or Lee the damage is a breach of contract - the contract being to deliver the engine in the condition it was in when it left Barum - but - who engaged the courier dictates who can sue - if Lee organised them then he can sue them - if the client organised them the client can sue - but there are some if's and but's - when i was involved in shipping things we used steel 4 post cages to try and prevent what happened in this case
Take a video of every delivery and receiving of items, on both ends of the process. Definitely should be covered by the shipper. They have insurance for that. I had a special piece of glass come in years ago, which were no longer being made. The courier broke it. It took them 2 weeks to find another, which was the “last” one in North America. No charge to me but the delay.
Perhaps it’s time to invest in wooden crates to transport some of these expensive and irreplaceable engines? Such a shame after all of your hard work, I’d be livid… 😡
Theres a engine builder i have seen who builds a lot of pintos/cossies uses some brackets that bolt to the engine mount holes this stops the engines falling over only trouble is would the customer return them after the motors delivered
In this case, it's very likely that the entire pallet-engine fell over - so the said brackets won't help. The saving grace is that it was NOT Lee's courier that did the damage.
I agree with Lee, they ran the forklift into it, can the owner get compensation via insurance? That smoking sign is it smoking or no smoking? Enjoy your summer in Aussie land it winter. How’s Issac supposed to do all that work in a day, is Lee taking the Mickey
I agree with @jaredwoodward919, a good 1/2" of wood on the outside and the inside space filled with foam. Then put all that in a high impact plastic transport case. Le I know you don't like spilling the beans on these transport outfits, but if you don't they will continue to get away with this kind of mayhem! How to prove the courier did the deed, have the customer take a few pictures of what he is sending and how it's packaged, and then email them to you so you can compare. If there is damage to the item then you have the proof to take them to court. After a few appearances in court they will either change their ways or go out of business.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
@@georgebettiol8338 I know it was the customers transport company that did the deed. If he takes the pictures and sends them to Lee and he receives the item in broken state then lee has pictures to prove it and he can then notify the customer and he can initiate the claim or take them to court if necessary.
That is an extreme impact to snap the shaft, very hard to do on such a short jut out. i am picking something of a very heavy weight has dropped on the engine. You and your customer have proof that it was in mint condition through delivery so not hard to prove / pin point when it has happened
Yep, definitely a forklift. Even if you crate it, chances are, they'll probably put the forks through the side of the crate as well - so whether or not you get any further protection?🤔. Either way it adds cost and most customers don't want to pay it. Although in this instant, it wasn't your courier that caused the problem, thankfully. At least you have one decent company you can use 👍😎
Looks like the delivery service may have been engaged in a little bit of 'forklift jousting'... They each pick up a pallet and then drive full speed towards each other trying to kill their opponent. Sometimes the pallet slides off the end of the forks and lands upside down. They get extra points for that... It was just an unlucky toss of the coin that the palleted engine was chosen for the competition. I don't mean to make too light of what happened. I would find it disheartening after having put all that nice work into an engine only to have it come back beat to heck. My knee jerk reaction would have been to tell them to 'get it out of here. I don't even want to see it.' Having said all that I would order all new parts regarding anything that's even in question and charge all the parts and the new labor costs back to whomever will be footing the bill.
pics and video at your doorstep before the truck arrives. any issue, you submit video before they say a peep Oh it was like this when we accepted it.For pitting Look into an airbrush eraser, they will clean out pits, or even a single rock chip on a bonnet
So the decorator is coming in then! Well hoity toity now aren't we?!? 😅 Kidding. Image does count for a lot, and it's looking great. Hopefully that shipping company takes responsibility for busting up that Cosworth.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
Perkins...a baby diesel. Lol Worked on a Caterpillar 3508 engine once that had been submarined into a steam. Needed to replace the injection pump and crankshaft at a cost of €50,000 for each. Was the prime mover for a D 9H bulldozer. Surprisingly the turbocharger survived. The squirrelly thing about that engine is that it was a 60° V... but the crankshaft was machined to make the cylinders fire at a 90° cadence. Engineers and their wild ideas. Lol
I used to do IT repair laptops phones,,,,and we used to video the unpack and then video the packaging an shipping, the complaints were non-existent after doing this. Beforehand we would have complaints for charges not being sent back, USB keys missing, scratches and dents, then we will show them a copy of the incoming video and you know most cases the accessories with never shipped in the first place, But we would just give them a new one because we couldn’t prove it with out the videos, same for damage we would point out the damage in the booking in video, no argument then.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
As for the RS500 damage I'd go with dropping it nose first off a pump truck on a taillift 😔 had a guy pick up an old unit today (ecoblue diesel 😬) for a certain large engine recon firm( rhymes with swirl 😉) and he nearly did the same thing 🤦. I've done my fair share of loading/unloading with a forklift and yes you can do some damage (not that I have 😉) but that cossie looks like it's face planted on the concrete to snap a cam etc. Either way not good for your customer but courier will either try and wriggle out of it or just claim on insurance! Pity you couldn't get someone to knock you up some cheap box section crates like the reman guys use and offer them as an option or surchargeable for cossie builds etc as thousands of £s of engine could be saved for sake of a metal crate just a thought 🤔 keep up the good work and get some more batteries for Lee's Mic 🤣👍
but it was not Barum Motors problem; the engine arrived fine to the customer. THe damage is down to the 2nd delivery business and the owner of the engine who hired them. Why is Lee getting involved ?
@@citroen-fe3qq true but Lee built the engine and if I were him would want to get it back to how it was pre accident to keep his customers happy then bill the third party courier 🤔
@@williamneedham7747 sounds to me he is then accepting responsibilty -- where will that end then. When test driving the car and an accident , he would still mend the engine.
I have seen engines from " Swirl" as you call them, bolted to a box section space frame and covered with a plywood box. Never had one damaged. The old engine returned in the same frame and box for reconditioning.
@@johnturner7569 Yep that's exactly what I mean, I've got a reman for a Peugeot PTS ambulance from a different supplier and that's the same securely bolted in and you could tip it upside down and roll it over and it would survive 👍 The give it a whirl frames aren't model specific as had Peugeot,ford and Mercedes diesels delivered in the same crates and just mounted on different bolt holes etc 👍
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
I worked as a courier for afew years ,,, tnt didnt care what got lost or damaged , ,, they would always say it packed wrong and we would have to try and deliver it WITH KNOWN damage , see if you can blag reciever type of attitude off management 😢
Thats fell off the tail lift of the lorry chaps,,, The currier has put that to far over the edge with the pump truck,, and all the engine weight is over one side of the pallet... Lay the engine down in the middle of the pallet and on its side...
I used to build the lines not work on them. I climbed over a steam pipe once about 100 feet in the air with a fibre optic cable tied to my belt loop on my jeans to get the job done. If I fell It would have hurt but also I would have been bored into a straight 6 lol
I can't believe you'd send an irreplaceable piece of hardware through the courier system, ratchet strapped to a pallet with a piece of wood under the sump? . . . literally, WTF?
They say money cant by happiness. You ever seen a sad person on a Jet Ski lol. Poor ole girlfriend of mine got banned from Tallington Lakes. She forgot to let off the throttle and ended up 20 feet in the air and landed laying on a picnic bench. That courier owes you for the full value of that unit plus expenses and downtime. I took Hermes and DPD to court for kart engines that got 'dropped' I know a girl in the trade who helped. can ask her for help if you need it?
Your packaging should be total enclosure crate with lifting points. Lessons learnt yet again.
I’ve bought engines and gear boxes from breakers yards and they have all come in a wooden box on a pallet, the boxes are easy to make stud work uprights and crossbars on a pallet with 9mm ply on the outside and stickers saying fragile and do not drop or stack .
Have a joiner make a transport crate for the coswort engines . Then have 10 made. Send them with a surcherge to the customer of the build price and return postage ( probably £125) they keep them or return the emptys .
Wnd adding lifting webbings would only add £8 .
It adds professional touch and eliminates most knuckle head grief incidents
Great idea; If you have crates made, you can paint them orange, with your company logo stencilled onto it. Then do you own deliveries.
That’s flipped over out the back of a van or truck and being on a pallet the engine is top heavy flipped on its nose I reckon 👍
If I walked into a workshop and saw anyone using a vice-grip to tighten an undamaged nut I would turn around and leave
You what pal ?
It’s a fixing bolt for the engine stand .
Give your head a wobble
Buy a spanner save doing the nuts up on the engine stand with a set of mole grips and also cover those ports up !!!!!!
This incident is the reason engine shipping crates exist. If manufacturers use them for bog standard engines you should be using them for rare engines like that one.
When my father retired he didn't have much to do. My brother worked in a machine shop similar to yours at the time and they had the same problems with couriers. So they asked my father if he could make the deliveries with the van in stead of using courier. And that worked fine, the engines always arrived in good order. And he also became the face of the company because he was the one they always saw. He liked to chat and make funny jokes. That's how it worked on both sides. My father had something to do and the engines always arrived well. Maybe an idea for your shop?
Yep, my father in law does some courier jobs too for a friend of his using his Cummins Ram and drives a heavy loaded trailer.
He is an old guy but one that makes sure all is "good and tight" secured to the deck and stop a couple of times on his route to check the load.
Never had an accident in his trucking career. Such guys are gold.
Pallet truck on the tail lift, and it's fallen off as the driver lowered it down. They're quite bouncy and can end up facing downhill over time.
You now know why most manufacturers pack engines and transmissions within those wooden box pallets
Need to be boxed up like how Texas Speed do it.
Deliver it privately. Plenty of one man band's around that are more professional than big name couriers.
yep thats the way to go; get a reliable person to do deliveries privately .
less chance of it going missing as well.
Sounds good but how many private entrepreneurs could take the burden of a 50K financial liability? Even if they weren't at fault and something happened the first legal port of call is the person doing the job.
@@laurencehastings7473 Well if one of my past friends could take mercedes formula 1 bits to Europe if they runout of spare like nosecones in a mercedes sprinter. Im sure there is a cover more than fifty thousand pounds that doesn't brake the bank plus it's a yearly cover. Not per customer.
Good idea as long as they have insurance
Sound engineer needs a written warning for the mic issue :)
Eh?
Lee's mic doesn't seem to be working
I think I would be looking into delivering high priced jobs to customers to do away with this carry on! Customer satisfaction has to be sorted out once and for all!
Ship it in a wooden crate. It's a valuable item. If I were shipping bricks, yeah, I'd put them on a pallet.
SUGGESTION - Unfortunately damage to expensive parts in transit is a ever-increasing problem, and you are never going to get the courier company to accept responsibility except in very rare situations, and then it takes many months to receive any refund or payment. One option, especially for engines and other expensive large parts, is to bolt them down and pack them in a wooden crate. Yes, you shouldn't have to do it and it's an added expense, but this type of packaging ensures a positive delivery and a positive customer experience, You should be able to find a local carpenter to supply these crates. Again,, just an option. Love your channel. Take care. Mike
We've seen the way you strap engines to a pallet, just wrapped around in one big loop. There is very little stopping the engine falling over, it needs to have straps down to the pallet both sides or as others have said crate the engines. Also with a strap going all the way around when forks lift the pallet, the forks can tighten the straps and break them.
Agree with crating the motor comments, re the td oil cooler i'd just replace it, it's going to be almost impossible to be certain if it is spotless in those passages.
A relative races BTCC, after a motor rebuild the coolers are binned.
Standard practice in Motorsport, you can't clean coolers out 100%.
You should check the other camshaft and pulley to see if it is damaged in anyway,.
Maybe there's a reason crate engines are called crate engines, not pallet engines.
Enjoy your video's boys great work been in the trade for 50 odd years seen most of crazy things that can happen to engines and gearboxes in transport after all the hard work is done I then started making wooden crates to pack the engines and gearboxes in no further issues
Keep the great content coming
Thanks Mike
MJL Engineering Cairns Australia
Hello Lee a lot of damage to the Cosworth engine wouldn’t it be better to send the engines in crates I guess it would be more expensive but it would give the engine more protection? Love the channel steve
Engines of the value of that should be completely boxed for proper protection. How else can you ensure the quality of your work otherwise?
JUST A BALLS UP ON YOUR PART LEE, PUT THE ENGINES SUCH AS THIS IN A REAL GOOD BOX , EVEN IF ITS 300 QUID FOR BOXING UP, WHEN THE ENGING IS $10,000 OR $12000 AND UNREPL;ACEABLE, GEZZ ABOUT TIME YOU SORTED YOUR SHIT SORTED
It wasn't Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customers courier that did the damage.
I’m glad you’re getting those over Door panels sorted. It’s been doing my head in 🤪
Thats two of us, just hate stuff unfinished, cant wait to see it done now
The only real answer is to crate box each engine. But that puts an added cost on the customer.
Definately. The only way to protect a valuable engine from shipping damage, is to build a sturdy crate on a pallet that is held on with like deck screws. 2" × 2" corner reinforcements with 3/8" or 10mm plywood glued and screwed to that. Steel banding or ratchet straps to hold it in place.
For extra insurance, a layer or two of GRP on the outside and then paint it flourescent yellow or (just for Lee) orange. Then the shipping Co.s can not say with a straight face, " we did not see it".
You can bet that if I were sending a virtually priceless item across country, I'd spend the little extra to make sure it would survive the trip in one piece.
I agree with sending it with a "one man band" but it wasn't your courier that did the damage.
I think it was dropped off a forklift from truck bead hight.
@@dennissheridan1550 The only way to do this is to deliver it yourself. I've hand built crates for paintings and sent guitars in bomb proof polycarbonate cases and they'll find a way to lose it or smash it, and they all do it, the giveaway is the very limited insurance they offer since they know they're going to do it.
Lee love to hear your thoughts on the Ford eco boom engines are Ford trying to cover up a design fault , is it poor servicing or something else
Nothing personal, but Lee, why was the engine not placed a little more to the center of the pallet to prevent this type of damage? I have already suggested a special shipping crate for delivery with a core charge to the customer. The customer will ship the crate back to you, or give you a second engine to build, which is good business.....
That engine either fell off the back of a truck, fell off the forklift, or they had it unsecured and stacked on something in the truck and it fell over.
How about setting up your van with a mount for an engine hoist and doing your own transportation. With what you are paying for delivery services, overages and damages you could run a part time driver and van, if not cheaper, a lot less hassle.
Goes to show, delivery services often just don't care one bit, to them it's all junk and they just want your money. 😮
Don’t you have any proper spanners using a pair of vice grips to do bolts up
Using them the wrong way round too! 😅
Come on Lee a 'Molegrip' even if it is a slave bolt! At GEC (Gas Turbines) no 'shifters or Moles' the damage to that beautiful engine by some cretinous Neanderthal would make you weep! Great channel sir!
Completed jobs need to be crated properly, simply strapping to a pallet is essentially lazy and looking for trouble.
wow such a nice motor.. i remember thinking how nicei ti s when you buttoned it up to go out!.. i see shipping companies in the UK are no different than they are here in the USA...
the crate for that engine is called a " hind sight crate "
on this one you should totally name and shame, that is serious incompetence
gonna have to start 'crating these engines... there must be a way creating a wooden box around the engine, with the engine 'bolted down' in centre of pallet. but there again, you can only do so much and still have some W ⚓ who'll still bugger it up! Oh, nice video, need to sort sound on Lee's mic, tho'😝
The more you pack it, the more the delivery people will abuse it. If they think its well packed in foam, it will be littlerly chucked it off a lorry onto the floor.
Dropped from a forklift, or trying to slide it from a van bed without using a forklift?
My thoughts exactly! Damage all at one end and heavy damage at that
Looks like it has been dropped to me. Possible a forktruck did hit the pulley with the fork though.
DELIVERY VAN: Is that anew grey van that you have?? Could this become the new engine delivery van!
Time to name and shame the firm who did the damage.
If it's anything like my parcels it will rhyme with evri.
@@markrainford1219 Evribody hates hermes.
Back in the late 90's I had a large 3-beam projector delivered from the US to Australia for my home theatre room. It arrived with one side of the crate missing and the projector damaged. Shipper denied any liability. It was very securely crated otherwise because it took about 45 mins to get it out of the remnants of the crate.
If you can, try not to use euro pallets, use full size as gives you more protection around it from over zelous fork lift operators.
Cheers @Lee was great to meet you. 👍
I bet that went off a tail-lift using a pallet truck, landed on the pully. I've rejected a delivery once watching a bloke manoeuvring palleted items that weren't wrapped and without the guards fitted on the tail. The depots will jam the truck tight using a forklift .. pushing the pallets against each other ... and even with the driver's pallet truck wedged at the far end .. so they have to hand off-load half of it. As is the way - some do it for a laugh.
Why the hell are people transporting 1000s of pounds worth or engines on open pallets???
Use some proper engine flight cases like professionals like Geoff Richardsons use.
Ordered oil for my Evo two 5 gal Fuchs Pro Race 10/50 for my built engine and the delivery burst one 5 gal and made a right mess but caused all sorts off delays until I got a new delivery took two weeks extra.
Not again, like i said last time. If you look at aviation specs (ATA-300) for shipping the parts. These parts should be send in a reuseable container. You said what can you do? Ship it properly!! On a pallet strapped is not protecting it for damages.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
@@georgebettiol8338 doesn't really matter, should be packed in such a way that it could not be damaged unless a servere crash of the transportation or a high fall. Strapped to a pallet is not how you transport a rare engine
@@leonboersma2375 There is no debate on Barum's responisbily of ensuring the engine is delivered to the customer without damage and Lee can take option of personnally delivering the engine to the customer 'cocooned' (with no pallet) in his personal vehicle - if he chooses to do so. Once the undamaged item is receipted by the customer Barum loses control of what the customer elects to do next. If the customer unintentionally drops the engine from his bench - or engages "cheap-as-chips couriers' to on-forward the engine, or on-forwards the engine with partial or no tie-downs/packing that results in damage - that is a customer decision on which Barum has no say. As such your argument is highly questonable and would stand no chance in a court of law.
From when i was dealing with those engines 205 block was for 3 doors as the original engines came from using the head on an Injection block. And the RS500 was a 400 block and different to the others by having a lot more core plugs,
would it be wise to change the other cam and aux shaft pulley in case they are cracked
your own delivery service probably work out cheaper than what your paying just now
Start using wooden crates so its fully enclosed maybe? See if your local pallet company could make you some and do a deal if you're getting them regularly? Just a thought.🤙
This has clearly hit the ground. Either off a fork lift or off a truck.
Pity the courier wouldn't come clean and say exactly what happened to the RS 500 engine. If the Perkins is out of a 595 then its a 4-318, if its a 590 then its a 4-248, both engines look identical from the outside and have the same 127 mm stroke, the bores are different to give the different CC, i have overhauled a few of them down the years, as Isaac said overhaul kits are cheap as chips compared to car and jeep engines
would have been nice to hear Lee with out having volume turned to full.
More toys!! Well done Lee. Love them.
Fork lift 100% my first thought
The only thing you could do is put it in a crate with foam all around the engine, maybe get custom foams designed to form fit an engine the best you can and use those.
looks like it wasn't loaded properly and fallen off a fork lift or a pallet truck while trans shipping
Looking forward to viewing your work on the alfa V6. Is this the V6 that uses the GM block. I'm interested in the head design in comparison to the GM product. Cheers. Keep up the good. Enjoying the content.
Spending alot on what it looks like but how about some up graded machines
It's "reckless" by the way.
You didn't see the joke, or pun, then?
Ship on a Pallet with a cling wrap & a box over the top of it.
If you drop an engine on its 'nose', the cardboard and cling wrap will do very little to protect it.
(a) truth is a defence to liable (b) the contract with the courier is to deliver the engine intact (c) document everything including photos or videos and engine numbers - especially the rare jobs if anything goes wrong you have the evidence to cover your arse - also we used to used a steel 4 post crate for transporting high risk items - agree with the comment below use private delivery or do it yourself
It wasn't Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customers courier that did it. However, I can understand the misunderstanding as Lee's voice during the video was barely audible.
@@georgebettiol8338 it doesn't really matter whether the client organised the courier or Lee the damage is a breach of contract - the contract being to deliver the engine in the condition it was in when it left Barum - but - who engaged the courier dictates who can sue - if Lee organised them then he can sue them - if the client organised them the client can sue - but there are some if's and but's - when i was involved in shipping things we used steel 4 post cages to try and prevent what happened in this case
I dont think your Mic is working Lee ?
Take a video of every delivery and receiving of items, on both ends of the process. Definitely should be covered by the shipper. They have insurance for that.
I had a special piece of glass come in years ago, which were no longer being made. The courier broke it. It took them 2 weeks to find another, which was the “last” one in North America. No charge to me but the delay.
Perhaps it’s time to invest in wooden crates to transport some of these expensive and irreplaceable engines? Such a shame after all of your hard work, I’d be livid… 😡
How can you fix the rocker cover if it twisted and be confident it's 100 percent. Looks like it's going to be an expensive repair overall
Theres a engine builder i have seen who builds a lot of pintos/cossies uses some brackets that bolt to the engine mount holes this stops the engines falling over only trouble is would the customer return them after the motors delivered
You just put a surcharge on them.
In this case, it's very likely that the entire pallet-engine fell over - so the said brackets won't help. The saving grace is that it was NOT Lee's courier that did the damage.
I agree with Lee, they ran the forklift into it, can the owner get compensation via insurance? That smoking sign is it smoking or no smoking? Enjoy your summer in Aussie land it winter. How’s Issac supposed to do all that work in a day, is Lee taking the Mickey
I hope its not kissed a valve. Thats had a heck of a clout and may have turned the cam.
Have they driven a forklift into it with the tines at about camshaft height?
ISSAC, have you ordered the skip as he is skiving tomorrow. Clear it in no time them.....
5:47 That is the imprint of concrete
This channel is the nuts 🥜,you and Issac work so well together,there seems to be nothing that phases Issac,keep up the amazing work
I agree with @jaredwoodward919, a good 1/2" of wood on the outside and the inside space filled with foam. Then put all that in a high impact plastic transport case. Le I know you don't like spilling the beans on these transport outfits, but if you don't they will continue to get away with this kind of mayhem!
How to prove the courier did the deed, have the customer take a few pictures of what he is sending and how it's packaged, and then email them to you so you can compare. If there is damage to the item then you have the proof to take them to court. After a few appearances in court they will either change their ways or go out of business.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
@@georgebettiol8338 I know it was the customers transport company that did the deed. If he takes the pictures and sends them to Lee and he receives the item in broken state then lee has pictures to prove it and he can then notify the customer and he can initiate the claim or take them to court if necessary.
That is an extreme impact to snap the shaft, very hard to do on such a short jut out. i am picking something of a very heavy weight has dropped on the engine. You and your customer have proof that it was in mint condition through delivery so not hard to prove / pin point when it has happened
nice veiw of inlet ports, 😇would have expected them to be covered
Yep, definitely a forklift.
Even if you crate it, chances are, they'll probably put the forks through the side of the crate as well - so whether or not you get any further protection?🤔.
Either way it adds cost and most customers don't want to pay it. Although in this instant, it wasn't your courier that caused the problem, thankfully.
At least you have one decent company you can use 👍😎
Looks like the delivery service may have been engaged in a little bit of 'forklift jousting'...
They each pick up a pallet and then drive full speed towards each other trying to kill their opponent.
Sometimes the pallet slides off the end of the forks and lands upside down. They get extra points for that...
It was just an unlucky toss of the coin that the palleted engine was chosen for the competition.
I don't mean to make too light of what happened. I would find it disheartening after having put all that nice work into an engine only to have it come back beat to heck. My knee jerk reaction would have been to tell them to 'get it out of here. I don't even want to see it.'
Having said all that I would order all new parts regarding anything that's even in question and charge all the parts and the new labor costs back to whomever will be footing the bill.
Hopefully it's a 595 mk2. In which case it will be a perkins A 4.318.2
If it isn't a .2. you will have a job keeping a head gasket in it.
Whoever delivered that are absolute goons......total negligent handling. To get bash both sides is just weird, almost malicious imho.
pics and video at your doorstep before the truck arrives. any issue, you submit video before they say a peep Oh it was like this when we accepted it.For pitting Look into an airbrush eraser, they will clean out pits, or even a single rock chip on a bonnet
So the decorator is coming in then! Well hoity toity now aren't we?!? 😅 Kidding. Image does count for a lot, and it's looking great.
Hopefully that shipping company takes responsibility for busting up that Cosworth.
Think you need your own collection and delivery driver
I don't know what courier you use but I work for DHL, we say it stands for Drop it, Hide it, Lose it
We all know them as Dick Heads Limited and Hermes My Herpes/EVRI Every Parcel never get's there
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
What's the chemical metal that you guys use please?
Perkins...a baby diesel. Lol Worked on a Caterpillar 3508 engine once that had been submarined into a steam. Needed to replace the injection pump and crankshaft at a cost of €50,000 for each. Was the prime mover for a D 9H bulldozer. Surprisingly the turbocharger survived. The squirrelly thing about that engine is that it was a 60° V... but the crankshaft was machined to make the cylinders fire at a 90° cadence. Engineers and their wild ideas. Lol
I would absolutely replace the other pulley as well!!
I used to do IT repair laptops phones,,,,and we used to video the unpack and then video the packaging an shipping, the complaints were non-existent after doing this. Beforehand we would have complaints for charges not being sent back, USB keys missing, scratches and dents, then we will show them a copy of the incoming video and you know most cases the accessories with never shipped in the first place, But we would just give them a new one because we couldn’t prove it with out the videos, same for damage we would point out the damage in the booking in video, no argument then.
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
As for the RS500 damage I'd go with dropping it nose first off a pump truck on a taillift 😔 had a guy pick up an old unit today (ecoblue diesel 😬) for a certain large engine recon firm( rhymes with swirl 😉) and he nearly did the same thing 🤦. I've done my fair share of loading/unloading with a forklift and yes you can do some damage (not that I have 😉) but that cossie looks like it's face planted on the concrete to snap a cam etc. Either way not good for your customer but courier will either try and wriggle out of it or just claim on insurance! Pity you couldn't get someone to knock you up some cheap box section crates like the reman guys use and offer them as an option or surchargeable for cossie builds etc as thousands of £s of engine could be saved for sake of a metal crate just a thought 🤔 keep up the good work and get some more batteries for Lee's Mic 🤣👍
but it was not Barum Motors problem; the engine arrived fine to the customer. THe damage is down to the 2nd delivery business and the owner of the engine who hired them. Why is Lee getting involved ?
@@citroen-fe3qq true but Lee built the engine and if I were him would want to get it back to how it was pre accident to keep his customers happy then bill the third party courier 🤔
@@williamneedham7747 sounds to me he is then accepting responsibilty -- where will that end then. When test driving the car and an accident , he would still mend the engine.
I have seen engines from " Swirl" as you call them, bolted to a box section space frame and covered with a plywood box. Never had one damaged. The old engine returned in the same frame and box for reconditioning.
@@johnturner7569 Yep that's exactly what I mean, I've got a reman for a Peugeot PTS ambulance from a different supplier and that's the same securely bolted in and you could tip it upside down and roll it over and it would survive 👍 The give it a whirl frames aren't model specific as had Peugeot,ford and Mercedes diesels delivered in the same crates and just mounted on different bolt holes etc 👍
Might be cheaper to find someone you trust to do the deliveries now. You cant keep having this happen as it's simply bad for business
It was NOT Lee's transport company that dropped the engine - it was the customer's courier that did the damage. The customer had taken delivery of the engine in good condition and then decided to on-forward via 'HIS' preferred courier to his car builder - that's when damage occurred.
I worked as a courier for afew years ,,, tnt didnt care what got lost or damaged , ,, they would always say it packed wrong and we would have to try and deliver it WITH KNOWN damage , see if you can blag reciever type of attitude off management 😢
Thats fell off the tail lift of the lorry chaps,,, The currier has put that to far over the edge with the pump truck,, and all the engine weight is over one side of the pallet... Lay the engine down in the middle of the pallet and on its side...
I have spent so much time in Perkins Engines. You could get lost for days there its the size of a town lol
I used to build the lines not work on them. I climbed over a steam pipe once about 100 feet in the air with a fibre optic cable tied to my belt loop on my jeans to get the job done. If I fell It would have hurt but also I would have been bored into a straight 6 lol
fell off the tail lift most likely
Perkins 4236 mates. Can`t beat em.
Thats dropped off the back of the delivery driver van buddy, but not before the fork truck operator had his go...... DONT THINK THERE WERE FORD MEN.
that pallet has been dropped. takes some force to snap a camshaft
Use to happen to me, different industry but I took photos of everything how it was packed and wrapped, pain in the back side but photos show the truth
Helps if your mic works!
I can't believe you'd send an irreplaceable piece of hardware through the courier system, ratchet strapped to a pallet with a piece of wood under the sump? . . . literally, WTF?
Wasn't the company who's title is an acronym for Uninteruptable Power Supply was it? I had trouble with them, ran my shipment over with a fork lift!
They say money cant by happiness. You ever seen a sad person on a Jet Ski lol. Poor ole girlfriend of mine got banned from Tallington Lakes. She forgot to let off the throttle and ended up 20 feet in the air and landed laying on a picnic bench. That courier owes you for the full value of that unit plus expenses and downtime. I took Hermes and DPD to court for kart engines that got 'dropped' I know a girl in the trade who helped. can ask her for help if you need it?