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- We all know that Final Fantasy is a beloved RPG series with fandom far and wide. But behind the surface, there are hidden theories and darker interpretations that fans have come up with over the years. In this video, we'll explore some of these theories that may change your perceptions forever. Now, let’s uncover the darker side of Final Fantasy.
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I wouldn't say Sephiroths story in any way demonized mental illness. He would be a better metaphor to one of those old Vietnam vets that the government used to experiment on like Jacob's ladder. Its a revelation of horrible experiments not a revelation of a mental illness that causes Sephiroth to go mad.
He can also be a representation of supramacy since he mirrors evil swordsmans in kamen rider like thos on shocker a not so subtle nazi parallel. Its not hard ro fit 7s story into a kamen rider show. Theres ecen a strong association with motorbikes
Jenova was calling him (and brought to the reactor in the first place). She was what drove him insane.
@@EugenethePhilostopher actually it's likely Hojo had him sent to Nibelheim on purpose so he'd find out about the truth and was aware he'd react harshly. It's also confirmed Sephiroth's will is actually more powerful than Jenova's, so she couldn't have driven him mad. If he was driven mad in any way, it was discovering the truth of his existence. Which to be fair, who wouldn't lash out from that? You find out you were an experiment and were crafted to be merely a super soldier and that you're basically an alien in comparison to those around you. It's even more tragic when you realize all he ever wanted was to live a normal life, and finding this out completely shattered that possibility for him-.
@@madmouse1016 Sephiroth works towards the goals of Jenova though. Even Cloud becoming Zack is evidence of Jenova's control over him. Jenova mimics, hence why it became a girl. Cloud assimilates Zack because of Jenova.
It's not unlike the film The Thing, except Jenova doesn't just have miraculous biological powers, but magic/materia powers.
Sephiroth might not even be crazy.
The reason vincent can equip the Masamune is because in the flashback, Sephiroth essentially uses Vincent's character data as a place holder which is the reason why Vincent turns into Sephiroth when using a gameshark to force Sephiroth into your party
Zidane telling Garnet that he will follow wherever she goes isn’t because he thinks she’s a leader. It’s because over the course of the game she becomes a central element in his life and he is willing to give up everything else to follow the object of his adoration. Those are very different things.
You've literally just described the feelings leaders inspire to get the loyalty of their followers, you just added the word "adoration" to have it fit into your opinion 😂
Yasss
@@nope-0000 you seem to think being in love with someone is the same thing as following a leader.
@@mattb6616 haven't the greatest leaders throughout history inspired love or at least devotion of a sort?
Honestly, I've always thought it was Zidane expressing his affection to Garnet, but I'm not sure both ideas are mutually exclusive.
@nope no nigga, he was a fuckboy and would fuck with a lot of hos aka ruby. And Garnet is the girl he fell in love with and wanted to settle down with.
Do we not remember how he tried to get with her and even grabbed her ass.
its heavily implied in the original ff7 game that Vincent is in fact Sephiroth's biological father, there's a hidden side quest that explains it.
just was going to say that,, i was confused as fuck after watching an other video of him talking about the secrets of ff7 and to not know vincent's history with sephiroth, specially when its not hard at all to find the cave that shows the scene and is the reason he locked himself away to sleep in the mansion were it all started.
I'm sure his dad is Hojo.
implied it doesn't mean its sure, neither FF7 nor Dirge of cerberus said with actual words who's the father, people just believe what they want to be honest. but neither has ever been "confirmed" Hopefully it will be if they will ever finish FF7 remake. I think they left it unsaid on purpose, to make people talk about it. and they were successful lol
Yes it’s very heavily implied that Vincent is his father and Luccrecia (sure I spelled that wrong) is the mother in the cave side quest.
Mmn. I think it is implied Vincent -thought- he was Seph's father, but if you take him with you to fight Hojo in Midgar, I recall that Hojo states he is Sephiroth's father, at which Vincent states something like, "then I was wrong. The one who -should- have slept is you!" as he points at the scientist. ....of course, I trust Hojo about as far as I can throw him so.... who knows.
Sadly, Dirge of Cerberus only muddied the waters further for me. I ultimately took Vince and Lucretia's relationship to be more of a Paramour situation until clarified otherwise. Ah well. Muddy canon fields make for fertile fanfic fodder.
Aerith offering free date to cloud maybe because zack offered a free date to her before in crisis core.
I can understand this information being left out because in relation to the Aerith is a SW theory, that is immaterial at best (a SW can absolutely still utilize this line, it doesn't matter where they picked it up from) and misleading at worst depending on the canon/timeline that is refered to. CC was decanonized for the Remake's timeline, AND one of the most vocal criticisms of CC is how it retcons original characters (Aerith being considered amongst them) and story elements from the '97 version.
I can completely understand this guy being completely aware of this information and just choosing to leave it out for these reasons.
Bro really went on gay fanfics as "theory's"😂
25:45 FFXV actually keeps up the pattern, with Iris (Gladio's sister) as the sweet, innocent girl, Cidney/Cindy as the sexuality (the first time we see her is a gratuitous ass shot), and Lunafreya as the wisdom/wife figure, as she's calm and collected
Jill, mid, and what's her name with Joshua from FF16 too. Imo.
Came here to correct that... glad you got it first.
Then there is Aranea: all of the above
@@Orcaluv26I wouldn’t say she’s “innocent”, she was sweet during Prompto’s DLC but it was an aggressive kind of sweet
The other two apply though
The old fuck kill marry
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I have always subscribed to the theory that Jenova is the one controlling Sephiroth. I think it plays to the overall themes of the story better and makes Sephiroth a more interesting character. Jenova itself doesn't need to be sentient; it's a parasite on the planet, and is a reflection of Shinra. It asks the question, "Where does evil come from? Is evil within us or does it come from the sky?" Sephiroth, born by both Shinra and Jenova, is caught in the middle. He (and Cloud) must decide who they are: Human or Alien? Sentient or puppet? Driven by the question "Who am I?" I think these are valuable themes for young audiences to reflect on in their own lives.
These are the themes I want the remake to explore further. I'm very happy they have set the remakes up to tell their own story, but I desperately hope they don't get caught up in these multiple universes shenanigans. I don't find "exploring the multiverse of Final Fantasy" to be all that interesting and I feel it is a distraction from better stories to be told.
If I recall correctly that *was* the way it was originally written, Jenny was the one in control, use Sephy as an illusion to manipulate Cloud into doing her bidding. But Square changed it as the evil alien manipulating everyone was recently done by them in Chrono Trigger, so they re-worked the plot to make it Cloud VS Sephy, added in Tifa to flesh out some extras, complied the code, were amazed it was able to run and printed it to disc asap.
Edit - LOL just watched the vid and Lavos was the next theory they discussed.
Iirc Jenova didn't need to be controlled and was in agreement with Sephiroth.
It was confirmed by the developers that every time you see Sephiroth (bar when he is in the crystal at North crater), it is Jenova that is actively showing up and killing characters (e.g. president shinra and Aerith), or tricking them as shown when "Tifa" convinces the character with the black materia that Cloud is in trouble and needs their help.
@@RandomBucket it was the poor translation that got confused
Wasn't this all but confirmed in Advent Children? I have also been under the impression that Sephiroth wasn't acting of his own free will, if he even possesses free will. I mean, his entire character is just "do Jenovah's bidding" and "torment Cloud".
one of the writers of FF tweeted out that no Arth is NO an escort
The ultimecia "hero" theory reminds me of a quote: "you will have to suffer greatly, but that is a sacrifice i am willing to make"
Aerith being an escort is such a terrible reach Im surprised it didn't clash with Seph's sword.
You really think Aerith made a living selling flowers?
@@ClockworkGearheadare you for real?
@@ClockworkGearheadplay crisis core dumbazz
@@ClockworkGearheadshe didnt need to make a living goofy
if you really think about it tho...
I thought Kefka's tower being a massive allusion to The Divine Comedy was confirmed by the creators.
Aerith latches onto strong men for subconscious need for protection due to being the last Ancient whilst being hunted by evil men with limitless resources. Before Cloud she was in a serious relationship with Zack. When he died, she sees similarities with Zack in Cloud, parred with fact Cloud is banded with Martial Arts expert Tifa & Yuffie, last of race Nanaki, walking tank Barret she felt subconsciously safe and free to be herself!
I figured she just had "daddy issues" due to lack of father figure as a child
Except she herself says that her and Zack weren't serious...
This could be her just saying that for personal reasons. I always felt that as an ancient she could either see Zacks influence on Cloud or Zacks spirit being part of cloud (I hear that the voice in his head is Zack).
Or women just like strong men. You know like in real life
@@jaehaalexander1172 The ending of a certain FF7 movie, would beg to differ. They Zack and Aerith were a couple. First in life. Now in the lifestream.
Ultimecia's motivations were explained in the original game. The point of Time Compression was to summon forth every witch who ever lived, so Ultimecia could consolidate their power into herself and become Godlike.
Sounds like yunalesca and jenova
When it came to Sephiroth knowing things that didn't happen yet, I thought it was Advent Children's Sephiroth somehow coming back and going back in time.
This. It's clearly post advent children Sephiroth infiltrating a different timeline.
The true meta theory is that it's Nomura getting too big for his boots and ruining a beloved franchise with his light-and-dark, time-travel, parallel-universe, woo-woo nonsensical bullshit. They should have let that man draw characters and kept him far the fuck away from everything else relating to the project. Down with the time jannies!
Kingdom Hearts was supposed to be a containment zone for his wacky, stupid bullshit. Letting that radioactive nonsense seep out into Final Fantasy is regrettable. If he has any involvement in a potential IX remake, I will be mortified.
@@GuyDude-hk8uy it hurts me that i havent seen this opinion before. take one look at how unreasonably complex kingdom hearts got with nomura on it and then think about what hes going to do with an already complex story. kh1 was pretty straightforward but if ff7 gets the same treatment then we're gonna need a corkboard with red strings to keep everything together.
Soooooo what did you think about rebirth.... :)?
"Emet-Selch is eventually revealed to be an ancient figure from Final Fantasy III"
... I'm sorry what? I... am utterly baffled as to how anyone could come to that conclusion
Nope about the naga. Her baby had been trapped and killed. She thus got trapped looking for her baby in the tunnels, prompto was the first person she saw so she snatched him because she assumed THEY took her baby. I hated that cave.
The Rufus Shinra theory is actually confirmed by Before Crisis, at least in part. His goals were not originally altruistic, but over time they did become so, as he began to feel more empathy towards Avalanche over time. If it weren't for him, Elfe would be dead, for example. He faked her death alongside Tseng to protect her and give her a chance to live a normal life
One thing to consider regarding Aerith as an escort: in Japan, there are two tiers of 'escorts'. The upper tier is respected as a performer and musician. Of course, I could be misremembering things.
That 'Cloud killed Aerith' is so incredulous I'm almost upset you even included it
Ntm the games WRITERS have completely discredited the rinoa is ultimecia theory, years ago, and it keeps getting brought up
But that’s just a theory… a Mattpat theory
@Juan Carlos Prieto I was going to leave something simular.
I enjoyed the 'evil Mario' videos quite a lot.
Title of the video: "THEORIES you never knew existed". Obviously the "Cloud killed Aerith" one was going to make the cut. Besides "Squall is Dead", it's hands down the most popular fan theory.
Why almost and what can I do to throw it over the top
Id argue that Sephiroth getting to the point of being stronger than jenova could easily have been jenova's goal. and even if he is stronger than Jenova and is technically in control, he is still attempting to fulfil jenova's goal. Sephiroth is basically Jenova's agency at that point
I think just like cloud is to Zach, Sephiroth is jenovas living legacy showing the duality of those who decide to honor certain people or entities
You don't need a specific item to hit Ozma... You just have to find all the friendly critters scattered across the world and give them the items they want. Other than the first one, the items they give you in return can just be handed to the next critter if done in order I'm pretty sure. But also, I can't help but notice that Ozma looks a looooooot like Eden from FF8, if it's model was streched into a sphere, and half of used a negative color scheme, or whatever it's called.
The thing with the FF multiverse idea and centering around 14 is that it's pretty much the Omega raid series that confirms it. Omega shows you the FF5 universe and the FF6 universe - both places it visited while in the interdimentional rift. As for other games, FF3 and FF12 can be said to have occurred in the past. FF3 would have taken place in the 4th Umbral Era (shortly in the aftermath of the 3rd Umbral calamity - the earthquake that sunk the Allagan Empire) while Ivalice (the world of FF12 and Tactics) existed in the Far East before being conquered by the Garlean empire. Fran herself (who is still alive due to the extraordinarily long life spans of the Viera) guides us through the ruins in the Return to Ivalice raids. And yes, it's the exact same Fran. But that's all that can be confirmed. Any other appearances from other FF games are either the creators just using tropes from other games or a special cross-over event.
Every Gilgamesh is the Gilgamesh from FFV so there is also that
14s raids in general also take place in locations from past games and often feature characters and final bosses from said game. 14 is just a big old love letter to FF in general.
Also, EW postgame spoilers:
it looks like the void is based off an alternate reality where Cecil was defeated by Golbez in FF4…
@@nah2769 well true for like all others the only one that 5's Gilgamesh isn't in is 15, that's just a guy who bears his name and is separate from the actual Gilgamesh. Yeah. Lols
Me and friends of mine thought and still think that vincent is the true father of sephiroth.
Vincent had a close relationship with Lucretia. Not only was he her bodyguard, he was also in love with her and she probably with him too.
It would make fitting and sense that they were secretly together and lukrezia was actually pregnant by vincent and not hojo.
In addition, Vincent suddenly decides to go with Cloud and stop Sephiroth. It would be fitting that he thought and saw a personal responsibility in fighting and stopping Sephiroth as he is his secret son.
Even the appearance speaks for the fact that he is more the father than hojo. that with masamune would only confirm this.
i just said the same thing lol.. you know its not ever actually said that hojo got lucretia pregnant idt. just that he injected her with jenova cells while she was.. the only thing i remember being said about lucretia and hojo is that they were lab partners..
the problem with this is 1, the reason because u can equip massamune to vincent is because they use the same base code (same as the cloud u use during the flasback in Disc1 is in reality another cloud, but with the base of Cait....) so u can equip seph weapons to vincent because they are his weapons XD(same as equiping seph with vicent weapons) and this is in all versions of the game (just easier to be done in pc XD) and 2, its cannonicly ans explicitly explained in other titles of the compilation of FFVII that vicent was just the bodyguard of lucreccia XD
Debunked in Dirge of Cerberus. Sephiroth is the child of Lucretia and Hojo, hence Vincent's absolute hatred of him. Lucretia loved Vincent but ran away from him because she caused the death of Vincent's dad. Hojo used Lucretia as a living test tube to incubate his experiment.
the "Beacause" retranslation mod that was made in the interest of giving ff7 a definitive and accurate translation from the original has a line or two strongly implying this personal/fatherly responsibility angle. Vincent is there because it would be wrong not to be there.
@@illyahrthebard3303 all of the ff7 side project stuff should not be considered canon to the original game. everything has different writers, and post-facto retcons don't change the fact that in the original game, the clear implication is that vincent is sephiroth's father
I think there's actual talk in-game in 3 about how in the past Warriors of Darkness defeated the Cloud of Light... Basically, in that world you need to have balance between Light and Dark, if either side gets too powerful, it will eventually manifest into it a relevant creature then the Crystals select a group of Warriors destined to go defeat it to bring back balance.
Yeah, the talk about how when they defeated the darkness and upset the balance.theur world was consumed by the light destroying the world anyway. Hence their switch from Light to Darkness, however I do not know how much more happens after, in Shadow bringer and Endwalker
@Eric Rosario Shadowbringers explores this in full. I don't want to say anything though just in case you are going to play it.
Aerith saying she will go on a date as payment is a callback to Zack who asked for a date as payment lol.
A callback to an event that never happened? What are you even on about?
I think ultimecia is more of a self fulfilling prophecy. She wasn't evil/insane at the start, but the effect of jumping through time left it's mark of insanity upon each of the other sorceresses of which she was successor to.
Each sorceress she jumped into to alter events resulted in ever increasing insanity, and the final fight against her seems more like someone who wavers from wanting to kill you and someone who wants you to.end their life for them.
Also, ozma is a nod to Ultima. Some of older games had mistranslated or made spelling errors making Ultima as Atma.
Ultima is always the final option boss that is the most difficult to fight.
It jumps back to the first one. When Garland became chaos because the fiends brought him back in time, to create an infinite loop that needed to be destroyed.
Any credible proof that Ozma is a reference to ultima due to a mistranslation? I’d be curious as a XIV player where Ozma is used throughout for that bosses appearances. Every available bit of info says it was a reference to project Ozma the extra terrestrial life investigation project 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
eh she wasn't insane, just a conquer
Ultimecia is most probably Ellone, and not Rinoa. Ellone has the ability to project her consciousness, and that of others that she has met in her life, into the past.
Laguna starred in a movie as a Knight and lover of a Sorceress, Ultimecia desires such a Knight, weilding a Gunblade in particular. Ellone is at an age when she would have seen it.
Another thing is that Ultimecia's main gripe is that she is lonely, the last person at the end of time. Ellone was always alone, depressed about having being forgotten about by her loved ones.
Finally, she has a direct line (conscious wise) to both Sorceress' Edea and Adel, the former having cared for her and latter kidnapping her.
If Ultimecia was Ellone she wouldn't need a machine to replicate Ellone's powers. Ultimecia is just a sorceress from the future, nothing more.
Ultimecia would be a lot different if SeeD's purpose of preventing another Adel situation was more widely understood.
She literally says so in the game. She's doing what she's doing so SeeD can't kill her for existing.
I haven't heard that one before. I think that knights and sorceresses are just a common trope and with Rinoa and Squall being involved it would probably come up at some time. Even Siefer wants to be a kngiht (and likes the movie) and she dated him too.
Ummm I think you may have skipped the part where Vincent was in love with sephrioph mom and though it is sad that hojo is Sephrioph father he looks more like Vincent in build and design which would be a great reveal if they’d do it in the remake that Vincent was his father not hojo. That would give a bigger connection and even more complex emotions to Vincent.
I would still agree with the “Jenova taking over Sephiroth” theory. While Sephiroth did physically overcome Jenova, he still almost immediately turned a full 180 and took on Jenova’s directive: destroying/eating the planet, which makes very little sense for him to decide on his own so abruptly considering how presumably strong he was mentally and emotionally. The true parasite might not be physical in nature, but instead a programmed directive or intensely powerful viral suggestion that switches to a new qualified host. Even if not that, the parasite is clearly able to mutate cellular behaviors and structures to varying results.
When looking at it, even within its own universe, how sure are we that the Jenova we see was the original? The true parasite could have changed from one being to another countless times before getting contained by the Cetra. Considering that Advent Children is canon to the series, even though Jenova’s main body is gone, its cells and remaining parts still play a very important part in Sephiroth’s very existence, showing that Sephiroth does not have any active control of his own. In Crisis Core, unlike Angeal and Genesis whose bodies ultimately rejected the Jenova cells, Sephiroth’s did the opposite which possibly could have led to him being less resistant to Jenova’s mental tampering while still able to remain himself to a degree. “Jenova” is still there, Sephiroth is not his own being, and the original world eater has still not been stopped.
While the creators state Sephiroth was more powerful than Jenova at the time, physical power alone does not win the real battle. There’s something inside Sephiroth that won’t give up its destructive goal. What if there are still details they left out for the sake of fan creativity and ambiguity? Revealing Sephiroth as a victim of the creature’s influence in the worst of ways would still be an amazing shock this late in the game’s story. It wouldn’t even have to be a retcon either.
Yeah, Jenova doesn't even seem to have physical body in normal sense so how Sephiroth even can defeat it physically? And even if he cuts Jenova to million pieces, Jenova still lingers around. I think some sort of synthesis theory is plausible since while Sephiroth's will is in control, did Jenova even have a will to be overtaken? Sephiroth's direction went from "taking back the planet" to "eat up its resources and move on to next planet". The first goal had still some human elements in it when next one is already more like glorified parasite with wide vocabulary trying to do its biological programming.
Sephiroth being more powerful than Jenova doesn't really mean Jenova has lost or did even need to fight Sephiroth since Sephiroth was doing Jenova's bidding anyway.
Cloud thinks he's chasing Sephiroth while he's actually following the Reunion, Sephiroth thinks he's saving his mother while his whole plan is 100% her parasitical nature in absorbing the livestream and continuing infecting other planets. While Sephiroth remains a slave, Cloud breaks free from his genetic destiny. It's a classic hero narrative.
I always thought Vincent was actually Sephiroth's biological dad and not Hojo. Like, Lucrecia was already pregnant when she went off with Hojo. My only support for this would be how similar Sephiroth and Vincent look, as well as the thought that Hojo wouldnt really care if Lucrecia's kid was his or Vincents, he would just experiment away, howrver Lucrecia was very affected by what happened.
Hojo is also depicted as a sex weirdo who uses his power and money to get laid in Costa del Sol but he never gets shown with any other kids. He's probably sterile.
Vincent was locked up for thirty years. Sephiroth is 27. Vincent literally can't be the father.
yes he can. @@jackhickman1217
Then you thought wrong cause legit every game so far confirms Hojo is the father. Even the REMAKE re-confirms that Hojo is the father.
From what I understand of FF8, witches are harshly discriminated against in the future due to several extremely powerful and evil witches in the past. Ultimecia grew up being hated on principle so she decided to create a world where she was free from it.
The Fayth at the end of 10-2 state that they will take turns sleeping so that Tidus can return as a favor for Yuna for all she has done for Spira.
If you take Dissidia at face value, Cid is a bodiless astral overseer. He was a scientist who loses his body while doing experiments with Chaos and the crystal world but can manifest himself, albeit in a weaker state.
What?! I never heard about the fayth doing that for Yuna.. that's amazingly beautiful and... creepy kinda idk lol
Also, I could be wrong but I believe the evil sorceresses of the 'past' are the sorceresses we know and fight in game.
Adel and Edea brutally led large nations on bloody crusades over several decades; Adel rounded up young girls to find a successor sorceress, was so powerful they could only trap her in orbit, leading to the discontinuation of wireless communications, including TV and radio..
Edea ran an orphanage before opening up a successful series of military academies to train CHILDREN to fight and die in wars; (did anyone but her and Cid know they built the Garden(s) to fight sorceresses?)
And Rinoa was the leader of an anti-government terrorist group before attempting to assassinate the leader of her own country and becoming a sorceress who had something to do with the Lunar Cry, maybe the worst one ever.
Me, you, and everyone who played the game know that these events were largely controlled, or at least influenced by Ultimecia herself (self-fulfilling prophecy?), but does the general public know that? It definitely doesn't look good from the outside looking in, they needed better PR maybe lol
@@trufreedom I think the evil sorceresses of the past we fight during the time compression event are the sorceresses who might be mentioned in FF8 in-universe history books as the sorceresses who disappeared under unknown circumstances (and all their powers were absorbed by Rinoa who was present at all their consecutive defeats - but the transfer of power is not shown in-game, maybe due to distorted physics of the time-compressed world).
Did anyone else know Edea and Cid build Gardens to fight sorceress? Yes, master NORG and possibly his goons aka Garden Faculty.
Rinoa was a leader of Timber Owls as her means to fight her own father and she did not attempt to assassinate president Deling, she only wished him to be captured to make him sign the Timber's independence declaration. Actually, it was Ultimecia in Edea's body who killed Deling. And no, she didn't have anything with Lunar Cry. It is a natural phenomenon on FF8 world, albeit misused by the holders of Lunatic Pandora. Rinoa was comatose for quite a long time after she became sorceress, possibly trying to suppress Ultimecia's influence, contrary to Edea who had let Ultimecia to fully control her in order to somehow make sure Ellone escapes Ultimecia's clutches...but in the end Rinoa failed to prevent Ultimecia's possession and it is clear Ultimecia still had quite a big problem to control Rinoa's body who apparently still tried her best to resist during the Lunar base events, despite beeing a noob in using magical powers... the end effect was she moved and acted like a ghost or zombie. OR....isn't this Rinoa's strange behaviour while beeing possessed a side effect of the fact that by possessing Rinoa through the Ellone junction machine, Ultimecia possessed herself in a distant past??
@@Fraxinus1986You’re most likely at least partially right about the faceless minion sorceresses we face, but the fact that there are persistently three is interesting and they could be vague representatives of the idea of sorceresses.
For Rinoa, we know she wasn’t trying to kill, but the only thing the world knows is that she led an attack on a train and a dude ended up dead. We know Rinoa didn’t have anything to do with the Lunar Cry… but it sure is suspicious (to those who aren’t us) that this sorceress happened to be in outer space at the moon during the exact time the Lunar Cry (perhaps the worst on record) occurred.
@@Tacticslion You too are partially right about Rinoa's presence at those important events you mention. But you ignore the fact only Esthar was wary of Rinoa, given their experience with Adel's reign of terror. At the same time Galbadia, a superpower with resources and military on par with Esthar, worships the sorceress and listens to anything Ultimecia wishes (no matter if inside Edea or Rinoa). The only real issue may be how Rinoa herself feels and how successful is Squall in being her knight after the main story ends.
Too bad there are many details in the story that are missing and questions with no answers (courtesy of many story elements cuts during the development I once had heard about). Therefore we can only make conjectures about everything we are talking about.
@@Fraxinus1986 I think you're arguing about something I'm not saying. Your argument seems to be that Rinoa is innocent and also that the world accepts that. They don't, though, and we can learn this over the course of the game - information is simply not that wide-spread about Rinoa being innocent.
Dollet actively hates Galbadia and, by extension, the sorceress - having been conquered by Galbadia under the direction of the sorceress.
Galbadia only worshiped the sorceress for a time - after Seifer's disastrous leadership the entire G-Army there went AWOL. While many were caught up in the fervor and spectacle, originally, we can tell in dialogue that people are scared and confused. And then the president was assassinated by the sorceress, live, who controlled people in a very scary manner.
Now, does this specifically and explicitly blow back on Rinoa? Eh, not really, at least not explicitly in-game... but that says nothing about years later or the next generation or whatever by Ultimecia's time; and regardless, it's clear that the "sorceress" was explicitly identified as the cause of many, if not most, of the problems in the world, from Esthar to Galbadia to Dollet. Everyone has cause to hate a "Sorceress" who consistently brings strife and trouble - and the people in the game *are* aware of that, at least, and are thus suspicious. That's all in-text.
I don't ascribe to the "life sucks for Squall and Rinoa and the rest afterwords" part of the theory, but absolutely the long series of calamities associated with sorceresses during the course of the game lead to a powerful negative impression of sorceresses which Ultimecia rebels against... by going back in time to torment those who would persecute sorceresses, causing general distrust for sorceresses leading to hatred leading to persecution...
The game is clear it's a cycle and Ultimecia is the cause of her own problems, later.
Me playing Final fantasy 7: I am hungry goes to summon material and clicks on Knights of the Round, than process to head the kitchen to make a sandwhich and grab a drink. Heads back to the game summon is close to half way mark than enjoys the sandwich and drink while watching the rest of it and still finish both food and drink before the summon is done attacking. O shit it started again o well off to the bathroom I go.
Just hazarding a guess here, but don't Sephiroth and Vincent share a character slot in the game's data? Likewise with Young Cloud and Cait Sith? (Seph and Y Cloud both being playable, but not needing a permanent slot).
So maybe Vincent can equip the Masamune because he shares a character ID with Seph, or something like that?
Probably, but the theory that he's Sephiroth's dad is more romantic... I'll stick with that.
He shares a slot because Vincent was originally going to be sephiroth. It was scrapped just like sephiroth and aerith being sibling and then lover and then nothing.
Keep in mind that Japan has a very different approach to “escorts” compared to pretty much anywhere else. Besides actual sex workers, there are also hosts/hostesses for whom any form of sexual contact is totally disallowed, and this is known and understood by the customer from the start. This has been the case since the Edo period. Aerith could have made enough from the latter to support herself until she joined the party. And if anyone got out of line…well, magic and a big stick will fix that. Also, her helping to open up Cloud would be doable for someone used to alleviating loneliness, which is the primary function of the companion/hostess.
That first theory with Ultamecia would be more fitting if she studied Entropy with her magic and her being driven insane by the concept of not being able to stop it. She can see past the heat death of the universe and sees herself alone forever so the only way to halt it is time compression.
The Multiverse Theory can be seen in Final Fantasy 9, at the dungeon where you obtain Ark, where the fate of Terra is not only explained in pictures; but also bears a strange resemblance to the Stories of The Crystals from FF 4 & 5 and the end of FF 7.
I believe you can see the multiverse at the end of ff7r
not to mention Dissidia which clearly states they're all linked
my theory concerning vincent being able to wield the masamune is that hojo actually inseminated lucrecia with vincents dna so to speak, unbeknownst to those two. so vincent would actually be sephiroths father. it would make sense, since hojo himself seems physically weak and in the fight is only strong due to him propping himself up via rapid genetic transformation. it's possible to argue against this by claiming that sephiroths madness is a genetic predisposition to narcissism and megalomania that is also present in hojo. then again sephiroth had to endure enough traumatizing events without any predisposition to go mad either way. because sephiroth and vincent also share a similar demeanor in fights and both have a dutiful but also kind of sad outlook on the world i think it's more likely vincent is sephiroths father and thus also might bear the ability to wield the masamune.
*Opens mouth in protest* ...That...actually makes way too much sense... though how he got Vincent's DNA prior to Lucrecia's pregnancy is a different ball game since Sephiroth was conceived prior to Hojo beginning his experimentation on the Turk...
Other then that little detail; I can't argue against the theory.
It also would have made the plot element of locking himself away for his sins, make more sense. Not that it doesn’t as is, but would have really hit it home if it was due not just to Sephiroth’s mother, but that Sephiroth was his son. But I also realize that he was locked away before Sephiroth went insane. Just saying though that if that had been reworked to include that, it would also make the Shinra Mansion a very fitting place for him to hide in solitude at considering the events in Nibelheim with Sephiroth.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga Vincent was working as bodyguard for Lucrecia well before she married Hojo, so there is plenty of time for having his DNA. Alas Vincent was surprise when Lucrecia married Hojo but accepted her decision. It can go even further Lucrecia and Vincent could be lovers and Lucrecia married Hojo already pregnant of Vincent without he knowing it. It was pretty clean there is no Love between Hojo and Lucrecia as they are in marriage of convenience or at least in the original Final Fantasy VII timeline it was like that.
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@@luzmaria5006 there.... was a doujinshi that explore this possibility..... which is really fit like a damn puzzle
The number of 'theories' you've included that have been either outright denied or confirmed shows that you haven't really dug into them past surface level.
To be fair to him, the point of the video is simply to reveal the theories existed, not to prove them wrong or right.
The 'Delita theory' seems a little 'missed the point' of tactics.
The intro is about lost/hidden truths, a different perspective, and how there was a 'truer' battle, fought by an unsung hero.
I mean it's right there...
To go with Sephiroth in the remake seemingly knowing the events that have not happened yet from the original game, I believe that Aerith is already dead in the remake. 2 main things lead me to believe this, 1 is that those ghost things that attack out of nowhere I think mostly seem to appear when something substantially different from the original is happening, like they are attempting to keep the timeline intact or something, and then there is the scene you get after the plate fell if you made choices for her over Tifa though the game. In the scene with her, she has a look like dead characters in FFX where pyreflies are flying around them and Cloud assumes that is her communicating with the lifestream but she does not answer to that, but she does touch his cheek to which Cloud tries to grab her hand but his had passes right through hers as if she is some kind of ghost. That might not be noticeable in game, but if you look up a video of it so you can go frame by frame, his had passes right through her. Though even with this theory I am still not sure what to make of what she says to Cloud, to not fall in love with her because it is all fake. Maybe simply talking about herself being fake as her body is not real as she is already dead, or this could be some kind of aluding to the world being like a fake Matrix like reality, which does seem possible in the remake due to the vr thing stuff they have you doing in game.
Did you finish remake? They explain the ghost very clearly. The end of the game answers all of your questions. Red XIII explains what they are.
Fast forward a year and the answer is.....multiple timelines.
What about the theory? That Sephiroth is dead the whole time in the main storyline, and what you are fighting is a type of Jenova?
Considering his state that you see him in when cloud gives him the black materia(incased in crystal and his lower body no longer attached to him) it is safe to say his physical body was not alive at that time.
This just reminded me how much I love the cutscenes from The War of the Lions. I wish Squeenix would do a sequel in that style
I think the mana cost for the white material was life and Sephy accidentally cast it himself
wasnt vincent actually with sephiroths real mother? in that secret scene behind the waterfall in the og ff7 it shows that vincent and lucretia were together and hojo injected her with jenova cells and vincent tried to intervene which is why he ended up getting locked away in the shinra mansion basement
Yes and no. Dirge of Cerberus touched on their relationship a bit more but it seems Vincent and Lucrecia weren't in an outright relationship just yet, they knew they had feelings for each other, but they had a sort of falling out over Vincent, Lucrecia in her sadness turned to Hojo (ew). I don't know for sure if Sephiroth was a normal pregnancy or if he was an artificial insemination for the sake of the experiment because multiple sources support both and I haven't cracked open my Ultimania book yet to see if that confirms either or.
@@digitalzeryphim6742 I have Dirge of Cerberus. Hojo is the biological father but the game doesn't confirm whether it was (un)natural conception or artificial conception. It does confirm that Hojo modified Sephiroth in the womb
No he's not, that scene confuses a lot of people. Vincent got turned down by lucrecia. Lucrecia goes to Hojo for comfort. Aka for sex. Lucrecia wanted to experiment on their child. As did Hojo. The whole point of lucrecia is that she's basically an idiot. She was good at heart but did all the wrong things. She turned down Vincent. Slept with Hojo. Experimented on their child and basically was complicit with helping bring about the biggest threat to the world. She fucked over the world, Vincent, her child, and ultimately herself. The whole Vincent being the real father is basically just copium we want to take. We know Hojo and lucrecia did the dirty. We know at sephiroths inception he had jenova cells in him. Which doesn't make sense if she was already pregnant from ages ago via Vincent.
The copium even led to the Vincent fan-fiction. Dirge which is now non-canon. Its literally people not being to deal with Hojo being the father. Lucrecia's is named after lutcretia who's basically ais a rape victim. So we don't even know if Hojo didn't just force himself on her. So he had a child to experiment on.
I always considered Vincent to be Sephiroth's true dad, instead of Hojo. Lucretia had a relationship with Vincent before she became part of the Jenova project, so there is a possibility...
hmm no, lucretia and vincent never were an item.
I agree with you. Lucretia was injected with Jenova cells during her pregnancy. Plus Sephiroth moves and holds himself very similarly to Vincent.
play dirge of cerberus ding dong, they dated for a while. and dirge is canon to OG ff7. @@Tyranastrasza
@@da_001 Have we played the same game? He was in love with her but when does the game tell you that they were in a relationship? From what I can tell we don't even know if Lucrecia had feelings for him. After all she still blamed herself for Grimoires death and he found out about it later. The cutscenes also just imply things that are up for interpretation. Here's a exerpt from the wiki: ''Though Vincent states in Final Fantasy VII that Lucrecia was the person whom he "loved and respected most," it was unknown whether or not Lucrecia returned his feelings. In Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII-, such a reciprocation is implied when her thoughts flash across the screen late in the game containing, among other sentence fragments, "Vincent..." and "I loved..." Upon entering Lucrecia's Cave in Final Fantasy VII, Lucrecia will either say "Vincent..." or "Sephiroth..." before she notices she has visitors. The name she says is randomly chosen between the two, with a much higher chance of her saying Vincent's name.'' While I personally think it's much likely that she had feelings for him, there is no canon proof of a relationship. I never heard of a proof of their relationship in the ultemania omega book or similar books either.
@@da_001 Dirge? Oh the game where Lucrecia flatout says that they were never a thing because she felt guilty over Vincent's father dying and that she threw herself into her research and eventually into Hojo because of it.
I love theorizing, but sometimes I think things are better if they are just taken at face value. Sometimes it's just enough to let them be subversive. For example, Kefka was ultimately just a regular guy who, similar to the person playing the game, is simply thrust into a suddenly emerging world of magic. Again, like the player, he works to take advantage of the aspects of that new world to gain all of its potential benefits.
He has a few vague similarities with some of the previous villains, but definitive differences as well. He wasn't the front man for some greater and more otherworldly threat, he wasn't an ancient evil or force of nature, he wasn't an arcane sorcerer or warrior full of ambition, corruption, or hatred. He was just a guy. That's why his given backstory in the game is so simple.
He's kind of like a villainous counterpart to Bartz, just a guy with humble origins who gradually ended up gaining immense power and reshaping the world through simply pursuing the course of his own life. In fact, I think it's a pretty interesting thought experiment (maybe not exactly a theory) to compare and contrast Bartz and Kefka. If anything, they've both certainly got a sense of humor.
There's the theory that FFVII and FFX-2 share the same universe with the character Shinra from FFX-2 being the originator of The Shinra Company from FFVII
It's not theory though it's a fact
The game says that Vincet was the father. Did you not watch that whole scene in og ff7?
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Did this fucking m0r0n actually say "ulti-me-shu"?!?!?!? BAHAHAHAHAHAA
Wow gay main character for the sake of gay main character, let us center an entire character just around their sexuality, truly deep writing.
Maybe write your own story if that is so important to you.
Ever thought why that is not the case, ever thought about marketing?
Is the main audience that plays these games LGBTQ+.
Games are a form of escapism often players self insert in a character when playing story driven games.
Now think about how well that works if you center your story driven games main character on a tiny minority group.
Hasn't worked well for comics has it.
Hasn't worked well for certain marvel films.
Sometimes I wonder what is taught in schools nowadays.
I had basic marketing appeal in freaking art class.
You should redo this entire thing and highlight the satanic themes in final fantasy . Your channel will boom.
@@seynoonrae2474 cuz its way easier to relate to a edgy emo who only speaks in ellipses and has a big dumb gun sword than one of those icky gays
The credit afterstory where one of zidane friends talk about zidane and the whole journy, in german it sounds more like garnet talking then vivi, as many people suggest in english
Jenova, imo, is a fully evolved Lavos, and Sephiroth is a being from the previous world that the Jenova (Lavos) Corrupted, and embraced the idea of Lavos, and made Lavos INTO the Jenova in order to use that world to travel the universe like a "ship"
That’s cool - but where is the evidence that this is actually planned and not just custom head canon.
Whenever anybody talks about Ultimecia, they show clips of her absolutely wrecking shop in Dissidia.
Kinda agree on that Rufus one, as he's on the good guys' side in Advent Children.
I always thought Vincent was Sephiroth dad but Lucrecia wanted to avoid the painful thoughts that would come with that knowledge
Lucrecia is defined by her complete unwillingness to accept the truth and her own responsibility. She was a scientist interested in the research and it ended tragically. One of the most heartbreaking scenes in the game is Vincent having the opportunity to tell her everything, that her son is alive, what her role was etc, and he just chooses not to because it won't change anything.
hojo is the father and seps mother had left vincent for hojo since he was in a higher position in shinra
@@mattb6616I thought Vincent didn’t tell her about Sephiroth being alive because he knew the party was going to try to kill him. Imagine telling a grieving mother that actually the son she’s mourning that she hopes might still be alive that he is in fact still alive, but due to him being a threat you will have to kill him. Even if Lucretia had known nothing would have changed, she probably wouldn’t have left the cave due to shame over the way the Jenova cells disfigured her, and even if she were willing to go see Sephiroth she would have been just another of the humans that betrayed him, he most likely would have killed her.
Square has very much commented on Ultimecia, and have stated a few times that she is not Rinoa... Rinoa was meant to be more like the opposite side of the coin.
Multiverse theory. Squall was deleted disk one ending. Rinoa became ultimecia to end time and be alone because that was Squall's wish for the longest time.... To be left alone. Everything after disk one is Ultimecia dreaming of her friends defeating her similar to eren wanting his friends in AoT to best him for the best time line.
Someone blocked me in the comments after i proved Aerith was not an escort. These people dont care about facts just projecting themselves onto fictional characters.
For those wondering, the house is her adopted moms. The mom is not an escort, shes the wife of a soldier and her father in law was a businessman who worked for shinra, he built her house. Aeriths only job she ever had is selling flowers.
Dont be emotional and block people because youre too lazy to research already established facts.
Creator is definitely pushing woke narratives on certain "theories"
When I first heard the Aerith is a escort idea, I thought it was the most ludicrous, preposterous idea I have ever heard.
@@VideNoir42 it really is. She's a cetra, people in tune with nature. Makes no sense she would sell her body for money.
@@bigballs7911 we live in strange times. And it's only getting worse with people.
I just want a REAL Next Gen Arpg Dissidia!
Opera Omnia would've been cool if it's gameplay wasn't so automatic and it wasnt mobile exclusive!
Give us something like that but better graphics and controls, AND give us a sequel with traditional Dissidia gameplay but a proper story mode and world exploration.
It's funny how Square tries to deny the Rinoa is Ultimicia theory, when in the game when Squall says "show me Rinoa" in the memory space, Ultimecia appears over Rinoa.
I mean, I guess they couldn't outright admit it, as that would ruin the intrigue. But still, it's laughable.
Yeah I thought that it explicitly stated she was ultimicia from my recollection
@Nicholas Geere not explicitly but very overtly.
Squall literally says show me Rinoa and Ulimecia's face overlays with Rinoa's.
@SomeShittyCoreBand that means nothing and makes no sense. Because if you remember, Rinoa was possessed by Ultimecia, and when she left Rinoa, part of her power was left behind with her.
@@happiestaku6646 lol. You just don't get it.
Yeah, it's to show she's possessed. Ultimecia is Rinoa's foil. It's not showing theyre the same person. It's also showing what Rinoa could have turned into. As in she could have become evil but didn't. That's the whole point of a foil. They're similar but come to different conclusion,actions, and ends.
This theory has so many plot holes it's crazy. It's been debunked by fans with a brain before finally square themselves. They're not protecting ambiguity. They set it I'm stone. They didn't come up with that. It's just in fans heads. It's fan-canon. Fan copium now. You literally have to make up stuff yourself for this to be the case. So, what's that called? Fanon. Fan fiction. You literally have to make up powers for ultimecia. Many of theories make up stuff for ultimecia's true goals.
It's ultimately like most fan theories... it's workedout backwards. You can work anything out backwards and arrive at whatever conclusion you want to.
I believe that Vincent may be Sephiroth's real father. We know that Vincent was involved with Lucrecia and Vincent does bear some physical resemblance to Sephiroth. I could see Hojo screwing around with Lucrecia's fetus out of spite, especially considering that he had already turned Vincent into whatever he is now. Consider that Hojo already had two potentially better specimens for the Jenova project, Genesis and Angeal, not to mention Weiss (and later, the Tsviets). There was little need for Sephiroth as a sample, except possibly as a control specimen.
I believe this too tbh
Also have you played Dirge of Cerberus? It basically confirms Vincent is Sephiroth's Father
No way! I haven’t played DoS, but as much as I want to believe that Vincent is Sephiroth’s father (in terms of story), it makes no sense. Lucrecia rejected Vincent. Whether because she wasn’t interested in dating her bodyguard, had no feelings for him, or *spoilers* out of guilt for causing his father’s death. The dialogue makes it clear that Vincent is not the father.
@@franimal86 You make a good point. It's just that characters often say one thing and do another. So there may be a scenario where Vincent could still be Sephiroth's father if he and Lucrecia did the tango then the latter left him for Hojo.
@@dynastygirl2912 It doesn't though. Not even in subtext. Not even if you squint funny and try to look for it. Can you explain your reasoning? I am earnestly curious.
"Ultimecia's actions may have been for the greater good."
The villains in stories always think what they're doing is for the greater good, even if it serves their own interests.
Every one if these theories had me like, "what?! No... that's wrong.."
All these theories feel like they were compiled like 20 years ago
The writer : the main character walk thru a red door
The interpreter : the main character is angry, hence the red color is mentioned bla bla bla bla.....3 pages interpretation
The writer : NO, the door is fukin red because i saw a red door infront of me when i wrote this
Azma is actually kefka is you pause and unscramble the ball and two side you will get a portrait of The Dancing Mad Kefka/Clown/Jester.
There was a world tree in Final Fantasy 1? Which version? Because I sure don't recall anything like that on the NES.
Marche IMO is the way he is because Squaresoft was trying to draw parallels between FFTA and the Matrix franchise which was really popular at the time (heck, FFTA was released only a few months before the Matrix Reloaded was slated to release in theaters), implying that Marche is trying to combat the escapism provided in Ivalice because, like Neo in the Matrix, he's always felt there was something truly sinister beneath the perks provided by the Grimoire and that they were kept docile and complacent as part of some unknown exploitation (i.e. Li-Grim is secretly draining the energies from their fighting to grow stronger and devour even more people until the entire world has become Ivalice). The problem is that the game doesn't elaborate on any ill effects or give any urgency to Marche needing to escape the dream world to make his motivations less douche-y, i.e. if Marche's friends were being drained too much that Ivalice begins to destabilize, causing Judges to lose their powers and more and more locations in Ivalice to become Jagds where people get permanently dismembered and killed.
Except we do see negative effects; as St. Ivalice gets transformed into Mewt's crappy FF self-insert fanfic, we also see a cinematic of some of the St. Ivalice residents (ie real world humans) being transformed into the non-human races of fantasy Ivalice. And considering Cid was brainwashed into his judgemaster role, we effectively have Mewt and the other brats kidnapping and brainwashing people IRL for their dumb FF role play. And this is just from Advance. Further hints from A2 suggest people from real Ivalice were also taken and brainwashed to put into Mewt's Ivalice.
Sephiroth going mad is problematic? Really now?
Problematic for everyone around him maybe lool
as if we have to pretend psychosis is EVER not bad
Spoilers for FF8 read further at your discreation:
I mean... FF8's story is already convoluted to begin with, even if you ignore the "they all died at the end" or "rinoa is ultimecia" theory's.
The fact that ultimecia can meddle with the past is incumbent on the invention based on squall's half sister's power, WHICH was only made in the first place because ultimecia meddled in the past to have it invented starting the premise of the first paradox that the entire story is based upon.
The second issue is that all of the first paradox is also incumbent on an entirely different paradox, namely ultimecia is only successful in fusing past/present/future because she loses due to fusing aforementioned. Namely starting at the begining (end?) when ultimacia is defeated, time unfused and in her death throes she finds herself at the orphanage in the past where all but rinoa and quistus grew up, in her last moments she possesses the matron.
In doing so, causes the creation of SEED the very organization that trained the main cast of characters how to defeat the sorceress and in putting them down the path leads to them enabling/causing the time fusion just to meet and ultimately defeat the sorceress.
Meaning not only is ultimacia only able to meddle with the past because she was able to meddle with the past, but she was only defeated because she was defeated because she could meddle with the past only because she could meddle with the past leading her to be defeated because she was defeated because...
Doesn't flower in Mandarin language depending of context mean geisha or something like.
Delita from Final Fantasy Tactics is basically Tony Montana from Scarface.
Sephiroth and Vincent share the same character slot. Also Young Cloud shares a character slot with Cait Sith. That's why Vincent can use masamune. This is somewhat common knowledge
Also, with hacking, young cloud can use Cait Siths weapons (which actually have a visual effect on Young Cloud's sword in battle)
So where are the "Cloud is really Cait Sith" theories?? Lmao 🤣
FFXIV: The world map of The First, the setting of _Shadowbringers,_ is a truncated version of the world map for FF1. The disaster that set all events into motion _erased almost all of the map_ and in the patch content for that expansion one of the plot threads is restoring what was lost (the Eden raid series). Revelations in that expansion about The First and other parallel worlds to the main world show that many of the past entries in the series could be other parallel worlds (seven of which are destroyed).
In the previous expansion _(Stormblood)_ the Omega raid series canonize the multiverse; you fight several past bosses before culminating in a two-stage fight against Omega. Furthermore, the "Return to Ivalice" series roots FF12, _Tactics,_ and _Vagrant Story_ as past eras of The Source (the game's main world).
In the current one _(Endwalker)_ we see that The Void is not just one of the destroyed parallels, but one where FF4's story met the bad ending. As this plot thread is still ongoing, how much of FF4's story is present remains to be confirmed, but it will end soon now that all four of the Archfiends are dead and only Golbez remains- on the Void Moon, awaiting us.
A little surprised for the multiverse theory The Seat of Sacrifice wasn't mentioned when bringing up 14.
I like the idea of Garnet being the true main protagonist of FF9, at least for the first couple discs.
In my opinion it goes for Yuna too.
In FFX you pretty much play Tidus (the love interest), who comes in later into the story.
@@dionysusmclaren12 yuna gets kidnapped so often though...and gets pushed around into everyone's evil plans and traps. kind of a pushover.
@@serphence8566 protagonist doesn't always mean you have to be the strongest. remember FFX was about The Summoner's life or Journey. You're watching too much isekai
@@qwerty6789xyou're not thinking the practicalities out. What are we, the players supposed to do, controlling yuna trapped in a bubble underwater waiting to be rescued? Or when yuna is marrying seymour and waiting for the others to crash it? If your answer would be to change the focus in these moments...how many times the focus would be OFF her?
I think both FFIX and FFX both Garnet/Zidane and Yuna/Tidus are equally the protagonist. (FFX even acknowledges that Yuna is the Co-protagonist to Tidus)
However the one game where I have never agreed with the main character is FFXII and "Vaan" being the protagonist. Honestly he isn't even one of the most important characters to the plot as essentially after the events of Bhujerba his presence isn't even needed to progress the story. Ashe is the main character however Basch more obviously and Balthier more subtely have ties to the main events of the game.
Coming in clutch with some late-night lore dumps 🙏
I am still of the Opinion that Renoia is Ultamecia because there is actualy a tone of evidence. Such as her Castle being were Renoia said she would wait for Squall.
Or when you give Renoia the ring you can rename it. I changed it to Lionheart and in the end guess who I ended up fighting.
Not Greiver but Lionheart. So that ring is in itself linked to Griever and as a guardian force, it would have begun to consume Renoia's memories. Not being a member of SeeD she wouldn't have been privy to that knowledge.
Assuming that sorceress do live a vary long time she would have a vague idea of the past and a longing to go back to it but can't quite remembering why. She and Squall could have been very happy, but when happiness ends all that's left is grief and pain. We meet Ultamecia theru technology that lets her go back in time. Might have been why as a sorceress she humored using it in the first place. Where she fixated on Sypher right away as he and Squall are alike. Also, Renoia dated Sypher for some time so she may have remembered him.
I think Ultamecia's true end goal was to deal with her own grief to a loss she can't quite recall. Think about that when you read back her last words.
"Reflect on your childhood. Your sensation, your words, your emotions... Time will not wait. No matter how hard you hold on, it escapes you. And..."
As time compressed within her she was able to remember the past again.
In the vary end she finds herself were Squall was as a kid in the orphanage next to the field were she waited all that time. Giving her powers over to Edea.
That is another detail that's often missed. Ultamecia could have recovered but chose to pass her powers over to someone else.
Allowing her to die and be Renoia again.
What version of FFVIII are the vids from?
I always supported the Final Fantasy multiverse idea. It explains the few times series have crossed over. Plus why most games are different, but, share similarities between each. Also explains recurring character names, but, different beings
pretty sure dissdia and stranger of paradise basically made the multiverse a fact, this is also ignoring that gilgamesh is the same gilgamesh in almost every incarnation, hell stranger of paradise gil talks about Jack Garlands future self he fought with in dissdia
@@sootythunder3111the hood is what connects all of the worlds. And if this video is anything to go by Chrono Trigger is part of the final Fantasy universe also so they should just have them use the epoch to crash in to some multiverse final fantasy rpg.
I think for all the worlds set in the series that there used to be one world and that it exploded and created a multiverse and many attributes of the orginal were copied over. But some of the traits failed to transfer to the world or were not strong enough to survive long enough to be seen by the player, hence why Shinra existed on 2 worlds and Omega Weapon in many of them for example.
Or maybe they have similarities because hey had he same Director from ff1-ff7 establishing common and Simillar things lie summons, Chocobos, spells, crystal and Mogles.
My headcannon about nekron is that he is the the "Law" of death
and decided to reset the hard drive of the universe or whatever
Cuz mortals allwas screw up everywhere
And Kujas screwing with the Crystall
The Aerith drowning thing is kinda lame. Her materia falls out and she slumps over, after being stabbed through the chest with a giant katana from like a 20ft drop or some crazy shit….she was gone.
Aerith also knows the future due to her connection to the life steam.
So that is the same with him.
I don't think Aerith had an incentive to work really other then spread the joy of flowers. Like she could have been an escort. But they didn't really have any financial problems at all. Tseng had them completely taken care of after Zack. I just think she was just trying to spread joy on sad people. But it was a kids game originally and very easily in that type of setting she could have been an escort. But if she was an escort it was not for financial reason at all.
es mas real pensar que aerith no tenia necesidad de trabajar
Actually there is a gay character in the FF franchise and that character is our player character in FF14 WHERE YOUR WoL can be gay or not, in that game you can Marry your WoL with the same sex like if your WoL is male you can marry a male if. Your WoL is female they can marry a female or if your WoL is male they can marry a girl if they wanted to or if your WoL is a female they can marry a male if they wanted too as well...There is even one bit of dialogue where an NPC asks if you like a dude you can answer with a yes or no if your WoL is male and I think it was during a mini quest you do in "Ishgard" it was written of as a joke though,but they still gave you the option of what your WoL's sexual orientation is it is even more telling if your WoL is male, all in all I think the true sexual orientation of our WoL is possibly "Bisexual" and Bi people are considered part of the LGBTQ+ community.
The theory that Ultimecia = Rinoa has been debunked by the producers 4 years go, they said"we know that theory had been circulating for years, we sont know how the fans thought it was possible 😅"
You need to play FF14 because you got Emet Selch mixed up with Fandaniel and a bunch of these theories are confirmed in FF14.
Vincent shared the same coding a lot at Sephiroth that’s why if you hack Sephiroth into the game he replaces Vincent
Ff7 Dirge of Cereberus explains Vincents backstory and relationship with Lucrecia Cresent *Sephiroth's real Mother*.
It could also be argued that his mental breakdown was when she took control because that was when he was mentally at his weakest. Then it could be argued that her control may have been broken at some point later but the 2nd change in his personality (which is very subtle in my honest opinion) is only showing the damage to his original personality that was shattered then manipulated by her. Meaning she may not hold control anymore but still holds some influence over him.
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To be honest back when I initially played Final Fantasy 7 back when it was initially released in 1997 I got the impression that Jenova was the villain using Sephiroth as a persona. It is not true though.
no but every time you see sephiroth up until you actually see him in the north crater, that is actually jenova and not sephiroth
The theory that Garland's plan ACTUALLY WORKED on FFIX is awesome
2023 and people still spout nonsense like Sephiroth killing Aerith. He didn't do it, Cloud didn't do it. Jenova did. Sephiroth appeared first in the crater receiving the Meteor Materia, everything else before that was Jenova (except the Niflheim flashback).
Even though sephiroth is crystallized in the crater, he has will over jenova, using her cells to shape shift into himself thru jenova. So You’re still wrong.
Oooor jenova preserved him and used him as she can shapeshift. He fell into mako with her head btw.
09:00 you forgot shinra was a theory before he WAS found in ff7 Reimagined, in the shinra museum, on THAT staff foto
MCs wouldn't go to limbo as they got redemption by combating Sephiroth. Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie died battling ShinRa at the pillar but possibly their motives in the moment were more about their own survival resulting in an inescapable torment that they hadn't fought harder to protect those around them.
No matter the case, this would no longer be the situation as of Remake, since their motivations are far more consistent.
Hummm... In Japan the word for Aerith would not be Escort but Hostress.
And about Vincent there is theory is that Sephiroth "son of Lucrecia" is actually Vincent son and not Hojo. Lucrecia being the reason he was still alive and his whole reason to going out of his Coffin in FFVII. I can see why this this having to do with him being capable of equipping his son weapon. Alas I am surprise that there is not theory about Lucrecia as she is ultra important in FFVII and FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus.
I like the idea about Ultimecia actually being a future Rinoa who fell when Squall died in the future. Her G.F. is named after whatever you name Squalls Ring in the story which plays into this idea. MAybe she tried to compress time to save Squall from dying or the world itself. *shrugs*
Ironically that is the one theory that has already been disproved. I'm sure there is a DYKG given how well known it is.
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It wasn't disproven, it was negated by the creator wich is different.
There's nothing in the game or additional material that disproves the theory.
@@LiorVolf A work of fiction is either cannon or is fan fiction. The fact that creators are companies does muddle the water. But if was not the intended meaning, then it differs from the intended interpretation.
@@klaussone kitase since backtracked on that and stated that it could actually be one of nojima's story arcs lost in tramslation into game scenario. Theres a video on yt
@@mrbabluep witch tells you exactly what I meant by saying that "creators being corporations DOES muddle the water". It might had not been the original intent. But might be the hook that the creatives pitch it to the suits. It might come a time, where it actually becomes Canon, but the question will always remain. What matters most, the original vision? Or the official position? I think both sides are valid. But as it stands, is no man's land.
Aerith did have a weapon called escort guard.
Translation problem, i believe it mean protection escort, instead of accompany escort.
Cloud in tactics is canon.. when the crater explosion happens
Regarding Vincent and the Masamune, one needs only look to the famous Moogle Team bug in FF6, where Locke is aided in rescuing Terra by Mog as well as some one-off moogle characters that split into teams to cut off the advance of the enemy soldiers and evening the odds, as this occurs near the beginning of the game where you don't have an ensemble of permanent party members to rely on in a similar scenario that occurs later. It turns out that the generic moogles that assist Locke share the same data slots as the true party members you gain later, with their data overwritten by these new characters. By using glitches to break the game's intended sequence, or a cheating device, it is possible to skip the introduction of certain characters and the triggering of the code that replaces these temporary placeholder moogles, meaning that they will remain as the moogles from the Narche sequence for the remainder of the game. Memory is rusty but I think this was first discovered, or popularized, when it was discovered that the South Figaro infiltration in Locke's scenario could be skipped, also skipping Celes's introduction and having her remain as one of the moogles for the rest of the game when the parties converge. There is also some weirdness that allows you to smuggle a ghost from the phantom train that requires a lot more work to pull off and avoid the recruitment sequence that would overwrite them, but if done you can assign the possess ability to GOGO that is an instakill ability that works on even final Kefka at the expense of removing GOGO from the party completely, but he can be retrieved from the great beyond by returning to the airship and assigning him back to your party, adding an interesting risk/reward mechanic in the late game's long, difficult dungeons with plentiful bosses and random encounters that can feasibly end in a TPK if you're unprepared, making backtracking while one member short not exactly a walk in the park. It feels less cheap than abusing vanish doom at least.
I believe that a similar trick was used in the Nibelheim flashback where Sephiroth is a temporary party member, only for his placeholder data to be overwritten by Vincent. Aside from FF6 handling temporary party members in a similar fashion, I got a Code Breaker (a device like a game shark, game Genie, or action replay) for Playstation and tried codes I found on the early internet. The first I tried was to add the Masamune to my inventory, but the weapon icon was that of Vincent's gun weapons and it couldn't be equipped by anyone. There were also playable Sephiroth codes that were usually model swaps with not a lot going on under the hood. But then there was "The Ultimate Sephiroth Code" which was pages of code strings long, dwarfing the size of any other code Breaker code I had ever seen, which replaced Vincent with a fully playable Sephiroth, who could be controlled by the player (something basic Sephiroth codes didn't allow), and was fully functional right down to having a limit break that was likely custom coded in, blurring the lines between cheat device code and full-on game mod, all on a stock Playstation with a regular copy of FF7 and a Code Breaker disc. As for why Vincent? I believe that he was chosen to be replaced specifically because the Nibelheim Sephiroth likely used Vincent's slot as evidenced by the Masamune being stored as a Vincent weapon in the code, and thus it was the path of least resistance to use that as a base to morph Sephiroth into a fully functional playable character, and since Vincent was meant to replace him in memory he had to be sacrificed.
And I cannot overstate how large that code was. You were basically manually entering a complex romhack in hex by hand with a Playstation controller. It was something that you had to devote an afternoon to and pray that you didn't mess up, and all during a time when there was more fake secrets and general misinformation about FF7 online than truth, but those that stuck it out were rewarded with possibly the coolest FF7 experience at the time. Not long ago I managed to dig up an archive of that code and showed it to a streamer when he was showcasing the size of the highest complexity passcode for transferring all of your data from Golden Sun to its sequel, which was so infamously long that players could opt for a shorter code that only transferred the most important bits, and he was blown away with how huge the Ultimate Sephiroth Code was.