Some comments about the video since no annotations so leaving this pinned here: In the meteor cancel section, you cannot meteor cancel frames 1-7, but you can any time frame 8 and beyond. Also the lockout is 40 frames, not 60. B-Reverse in Melee isn't the same as other games, you don't reverse momentum with the move. It's akin to a turnaround move, although I have heard both ways myself just due to the overlap of players in all the communities.
don't know if you are going to read this or this message will get to you, but let me tell you that all your melee tutorials are really good and help a lot, especially to the new people who want to get into the game. thank you very much for all of them.
I bet everyone who wants to improve tech with their respective haracter of choice has seen your videos. Nice to see youre still uploading! The melee youtube scene is gonna be great again!
Ecyen It’s usually referred to as a T-Drop (because of involving teeter). Westballz was a big fan of it and would do it a bunch when he streamed. As mentioned in this video though, it’s only available on Fountain of Dreams, so it’s not terribly useful in competitive
I'm not sure who came up with the term T-drop, but I've literally never heard it before like 2015. I learned the Dingo Drop from Dingo himself in 2012 around when I started playing.
@@garrettrobinson7467 It seems that it's mostly known as Dingo Drop from people within his region. If you Google "before:2016-01-03 melee "dingo drop"" you can see where T-Drop came from. It was decently hot at the time, so players like Westballz picked it up and perpetuated it.
I know you probably won’t see this, but I love all your videos. This one in particular is my favorite because it’s so informative and so relaxing. The music choices and gameplay footage make me nostalgic despite the fact it’s only been a few months since I last played. Rad video, homie!
This is the first tutorial where practicality of use for all techs are explained + video demonstration is shown. And the inputs display too. An absolute must watch, and the best video out there so far for beginners.
I really appreciate you doing this each year (and even for specific characers), greatly helps to come back from a longer Melee break to get informed on what has been added to the tech list!
Your videos are amazing. You deserve 100 million times more views. Thank you so much for compiling the techniques used in one of the greatest games ever played
A criticism of this video would be that for younger players, they may feel that they need to learn all of these, which is untrue. I would list the core, most important tech first, then the "optional" tech afterwards :)
@@poopyjoe depends, like, I play Luigi and I NEEDED to learn how to wavedash as soon as possible. On fox or just really fast characters it can be not used...sometimes. still a useful tech
Thanks for all the visuals for every tech. I appreciate it mostly because I’m a visual learner so it really helps. Going to practice these and implement some into my play, great video! 🙏
Hey man I just wanna say your content helps me out a lot cause I'm new to melee and I'm looking into going to tournaments and the content is amazing ♥️
The description should have a 0:00 timestamp before all of the other timestamps. That would make the video's timeline become neatly divided into all of the different parts, and would be a nice quality of life improvement
KennyTheKid Haha I guess if I could go back and rewrite that, the only tips I have are practice practice practice for that section. With UnclePunch’s mod you can get a lot of good training in without wasting time to SD’s.
Haven't played smash in 10 years but wanted to checkout how the scene changed. I played from 2006-2009 at Rutgers and in the PA area a little afterwards. Played m2k all the time and we had some good players at the time. The game mustve been younger then as I got second place in the Rutgers tournament (lost to doyoung) and we used to do 2v2s and 1v1s biweekly. Now I see m2k is one of the best players in the world, he's come a long way!
Always cool seeing the old guard checking back in, sounds like a fun scene back then. The fact that M2K has adapted to the meta changing over so many years and staying on top the whole time is impressive.
I love these videos, they are among my favourites. Is there any chance you will make a similiar series for another Smash game, such as Project M or Smash Ultimate?
7:16 I’m confused, can’t you just spam l/r/z as much as you want as long as it’s within the 7 frame window it will still count? I thought the only thing that you get locked out of is techs if you hard press, not l-cancels?
Iirc some players like to do the double L Cancel approach with both L/R when landing from a weird spot to better guarantee an L Cancel. Just from the top of my head I think you’re right though probably just an older mistake in information I forgot to fix
4:45 Isai Drop. I can't believe I never heard of this, thank you. My questions is "How can it be buffered from an areial if you have to walk before dropping? Is it through an l-cancel?"
Hey sorry about the wait, basically you “buffer” the walk while moving forward with the aerial movement (since if L cancelled or auto cancelled, the character will take a step forward after if there is enough space on the platform), and then doing the downward input right after you land.
I discoverd a new tech. When on ledge if you hold down the c stick really far down. It will buffer a d air. But it reguires some practice to understand.
Fun facts the Koopa back dash thingy was actually has a really long because the people who discovered thought it would be funny if it had a really long pointless name
No Wonder melee players get carpal tunnel. Jeez. The most complicated movement tech we have in ultimate is either dash-walking or dash attack cancelling
Bruh u don't even need to foxtrot wit Luigi with how he moves with his wavedash, which is faster than his run and almost out paces foxes full sprint speed.
Short hand, this was going to be a co-op game channel, we just liked the idea of the audience being the Third Chair, but it eventually transitioned to a Melee guides channel, and I just liked the name so never went to change it
@@thirdchair9670 Kk, thank you. Do you know perhaps any free way to get something similar to work for regular melee? Like say I wanted to stream Slippi but wanted to show my inputs
Considering that slippi uses the base Melee game to run I don’t think it’s possible atm without some sort of rom hack, however you can get an external tool to take care of input display for streaming like what Axe does.
Hi I’m a Japanese Melee player. I wanted to ask you to let me make the translated version of your videos. Japan community doesn’t have a good general guides like your videos. So it will be a Reprint permission. If you have any questions or conditions please let me know. I couldn't find your email address, so I wrote it here. Sorry if my English is bad. Thank you!
I think that’s a great idea, so I wish you the best of luck with it. All I ask is just that you credit the original video somewhere. Also your English is pretty good! If you do complete it let me know, I can then link the translation in the description too!
@@thirdchair9670 Thank you for your response, it is very helpful! I will tell you when the vid is uploaded. After that, I'm planning to make a Japanese version of the character-specific videos as well. Would you also give me permission to translate other videos? thanks!
@@thirdchair9670 I finished the translation! The account is different, but it's my channel. th-cam.com/video/_Jtgl0OkDas/w-d-xo.html Again, thank you so much for your permission! I'll try to translate glitch video or top tiers video next. I'll message you again when I've finished translating!
Some comments about the video since no annotations so leaving this pinned here:
In the meteor cancel section, you cannot meteor cancel frames 1-7, but you can any time frame 8 and beyond. Also the lockout is 40 frames, not 60.
B-Reverse in Melee isn't the same as other games, you don't reverse momentum with the move. It's akin to a turnaround move, although I have heard both ways myself just due to the overlap of players in all the communities.
@Yoni Arousement I don't mind it. They looked kinda nasty
Everybody gangster until ganon does the koopabackdashwaveslidehoverwalkmoonland
Don't forget good ol' #39
Thats funny though because i can do it fairly consistently.
How do I press A?
matt carpenter Half press it first
@@PokemonHeroTristan then release it at frame 4 to perform a jab
Dude, come on.
I don't fucking know.
So amazing that every year this list gets longer. Great video as always, thanks!
don't know if you are going to read this or this message will get to you, but let me tell you that all your melee tutorials are really good and help a lot, especially to the new people who want to get into the game. thank you very much for all of them.
thanks a lot pal.
I bet everyone who wants to improve tech with their respective haracter of choice has seen your videos. Nice to see youre still uploading! The melee youtube scene is gonna be great again!
literally never heard of the dingo drop before, melee just has so much hidden tech
Ecyen It’s usually referred to as a T-Drop (because of involving teeter). Westballz was a big fan of it and would do it a bunch when he streamed. As mentioned in this video though, it’s only available on Fountain of Dreams, so it’s not terribly useful in competitive
I'm not sure who came up with the term T-drop, but I've literally never heard it before like 2015. I learned the Dingo Drop from Dingo himself in 2012 around when I started playing.
@@garrettrobinson7467 It seems that it's mostly known as Dingo Drop from people within his region. If you Google "before:2016-01-03 melee "dingo drop"" you can see where T-Drop came from. It was decently hot at the time, so players like Westballz picked it up and perpetuated it.
KINO
I know you probably won’t see this, but I love all your videos. This one in particular is my favorite because it’s so informative and so relaxing. The music choices and gameplay footage make me nostalgic despite the fact it’s only been a few months since I last played. Rad video, homie!
This is the first tutorial where practicality of use for all techs are explained + video demonstration is shown. And the inputs display too. An absolute must watch, and the best video out there so far for beginners.
its so cool for the melee tech skill guide getting longer and longer each year. Even after 20 years, the meta keeps progressing
I really appreciate you doing this each year (and even for specific characers), greatly helps to come back from a longer Melee break to get informed on what has been added to the tech list!
0:30 _cries in G&W_
Still can L-cancel like two aerials, i would cry about shield size tho
Poor G&W, the upside is that hes super easy to learn because you can only L cancel 2 aerials
Your videos are amazing. You deserve 100 million times more views. Thank you so much for compiling the techniques used in one of the greatest games ever played
ISAI DROPS ARE GOATED AND SHOULD BE USED MORE OFTEN💯‼️
A criticism of this video would be that for younger players, they may feel that they need to learn all of these, which is untrue. I would list the core, most important tech first, then the "optional" tech afterwards :)
Which ones do you consider most important?
@@poopyjoe depends, like, I play Luigi and I NEEDED to learn how to wavedash as soon as possible. On fox or just really fast characters it can be not used...sometimes. still a useful tech
Thanks for all the visuals for every tech. I appreciate it mostly because I’m a visual learner so it really helps. Going to practice these and implement some into my play, great video! 🙏
You are godly for making all these tech guides, THANK YOU
24:18 you can also angle other moves that might not be as obvious such as marth or peach up b
Should probably mention not every character has angled tilts.
True, I went into detail on the individual videos for those that did
Even link?
@@tap5263 I don't think Link can angle any tilts or smash attacks, but he can angle his side B (Boomerang)
Thank you so much for making these videos! I've spent 5 years watching these and I've learned SO much from it! Keep up the good work!
I love watching melee, and now I can fully immerse myself into the game. This video was killer!!
Clear concise and under 30 minutes!
Hey man I just wanna say your content helps me out a lot cause I'm new to melee and I'm looking into going to tournaments and the content is amazing ♥️
The description should have a 0:00 timestamp before all of the other timestamps. That would make the video's timeline become neatly divided into all of the different parts, and would be a nice quality of life improvement
10:13 Haxdash tips:
KennyTheKid Haha I guess if I could go back and rewrite that, the only tips I have are practice practice practice for that section. With UnclePunch’s mod you can get a lot of good training in without wasting time to SD’s.
So happy this is out!!!
Haven't played smash in 10 years but wanted to checkout how the scene changed. I played from 2006-2009 at Rutgers and in the PA area a little afterwards. Played m2k all the time and we had some good players at the time. The game mustve been younger then as I got second place in the Rutgers tournament (lost to doyoung) and we used to do 2v2s and 1v1s biweekly. Now I see m2k is one of the best players in the world, he's come a long way!
Always cool seeing the old guard checking back in, sounds like a fun scene back then. The fact that M2K has adapted to the meta changing over so many years and staying on top the whole time is impressive.
Dat ending was so abrupt lol. Thank you for the info!
The 8 dislikes are from the people who can’t be bothered to learn the techs
I love these videos, they are among my favourites. Is there any chance you will make a similiar series for another Smash game, such as Project M or Smash Ultimate?
you should do one with moves that include a players name, like the Armada shine
ITS BACK
You know they were memeing when they named the KoopaBackdashwaveslideHoverwalkmoonland.
Awesome guide thanks so much. This will surely help new players
THIS IS AMAZING THANK YOU.
The guide I was waiting for!
Incredible video man congratulation!
Ok. This is epic
7:16 I’m confused, can’t you just spam l/r/z as much as you want as long as it’s within the 7 frame window it will still count? I thought the only thing that you get locked out of is techs if you hard press, not l-cancels?
Iirc some players like to do the double L Cancel approach with both L/R when landing from a weird spot to better guarantee an L Cancel. Just from the top of my head I think you’re right though probably just an older mistake in information I forgot to fix
I love this channel
The run cancel for stopping momentum can’t be done by shielding, your momentum carries unless you are in dash I believe. Great vid tho :)
4:45 Isai Drop. I can't believe I never heard of this, thank you. My questions is "How can it be buffered from an areial if you have to walk before dropping? Is it through an l-cancel?"
Hey sorry about the wait, basically you “buffer” the walk while moving forward with the aerial movement (since if L cancelled or auto cancelled, the character will take a step forward after if there is enough space on the platform), and then doing the downward input right after you land.
I discoverd a new tech. When on ledge if you hold down the c stick really far down. It will buffer a d air. But it reguires some practice to understand.
C Stick down makes you fast fall from the ledge, you’d have to input it again to get a Dair from that point.
Fun facts the Koopa back dash thingy was actually has a really long because the people who discovered thought it would be funny if it had a really long pointless name
Certainly was fun to figure out how to space on the card title thanks to them lol
@@thirdchair9670 lol
LET"S GOOOOOOOOO
Thank you third chair!
No Smash Turn Pivot Jump?
I wish your input display was for the player doing the di and asdi instead of just fox up smashing
Would be quite cool if it tracked AI inputs yeah
Update description to show moonwalks
No Wonder melee players get carpal tunnel. Jeez. The most complicated movement tech we have in ultimate is either dash-walking or dash attack cancelling
Don't let Melee die
just wanted to say thanks
sometimes i grab ledge accidently when i’m dash dancing, what’s this called ?
GOAT
Yall should be practicing at home. Corona its no joke, take care people.
2:46 is perfectly in sync with the music
Not mention of v-cancels?
It’s in a few of the character ones but definitely can fit in this one too just forgot honestly :(
Bruh u don't even need to foxtrot wit Luigi with how he moves with his wavedash, which is faster than his run and almost out paces foxes full sprint speed.
this kinda gives me the same vibes as the OG video from wak017 from back in the day
Was unaware someone else had made a guide like this long ago :o
GOOD CONTENT MAHN
@Third Chair Do you mind if I ask where you got your name from?
Short hand, this was going to be a co-op game channel, we just liked the idea of the audience being the Third Chair, but it eventually transitioned to a Melee guides channel, and I just liked the name so never went to change it
How to count frames
What about jab reset
What mod are you using to see if you successful did it
20XX / 20XXTE
Thanks
Thx for the tech
What have I gotten myself into...
What's the name of the mix?
me who thinks wavedashing off a platform and then wavelanding on the ground is impressive for me who just got the game : 😮
what is the song at the beginning?
All songs are in the description!
I want to play melee but there is way to much to learn and practice and I don't have as much time as I use too.
You don’t have to learn it all or for a long time. 15 minutes a day goes a long way, even just doing the essentials
saludos desde república Dominicana 🇩🇴
How did you get the input display?
It’s an in game setting in 20XX, just start any match, pause, and hit Y + Dpad left to toggle input display on and off
Also 20XXTE has it too.
@@thirdchair9670 Kk, thank you. Do you know perhaps any free way to get something similar to work for regular melee? Like say I wanted to stream Slippi but wanted to show my inputs
Considering that slippi uses the base Melee game to run I don’t think it’s possible atm without some sort of rom hack, however you can get an external tool to take care of input display for streaming like what Axe does.
Ur the 🐐
@nulberry official I think you accidentally left this here
5:41 "that is also allows"
So many videos, so many spelling error possibilities lol
how long will it take to master all of this
A lot less time then you might expect, but definitely depends on practice and how quickly you as a person can pick things up.
@@thirdchair9670 thanks man
You forgot the link in the description to Kadano's DI video 😔
All the links are up for the General Guide now 👍
ty
started on ult, this is rediculous lol
ledgedash?
I really could go more into detail about that yeah.
lmao where is air dodge cancel item throwing. i mean come on
Hi I’m a Japanese Melee player.
I wanted to ask you to let me make the translated version of your videos.
Japan community doesn’t have a good general guides like your videos.
So it will be a Reprint permission.
If you have any questions or conditions please let me know.
I couldn't find your email address, so I wrote it here.
Sorry if my English is bad. Thank you!
I think that’s a great idea, so I wish you the best of luck with it. All I ask is just that you credit the original video somewhere. Also your English is pretty good! If you do complete it let me know, I can then link the translation in the description too!
@@thirdchair9670 Thank you for your response, it is very helpful!
I will tell you when the vid is uploaded.
After that, I'm planning to make a Japanese version of the character-specific videos as well.
Would you also give me permission to translate other videos?
thanks!
Of course, feel free to do so as well!
@@maig0 がんばって！ :)
@@thirdchair9670 I finished the translation!
The account is different, but it's my channel.
th-cam.com/video/_Jtgl0OkDas/w-d-xo.html
Again, thank you so much for your permission!
I'll try to translate glitch video or top tiers video next.
I'll message you again when I've finished translating!
I read run cancel as fun cancel lmao
easy, just play against Army
Haxdash tips
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No koopabackdashwaveslide hoverwalkmoonland? unsubscribe
It’s there on the second slide and you can find that timestamp in the description
@@thirdchair9670 lmao amazing
@@thirdchair9670 how foolish of me to assume you would make such a great error, shame on me