2020 Melee General Techs Guide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Hey everyone, this is the 2020 Melee General Techs Guide.
It's been a while, but its now finally here! The 2020 Melee Guides are 29 projects, meant to document as much Melee techniques into video form while being generally enjoyable videos to watch.
Special shoutouts to the Smash@Stockton and NJ SSBM scenes! Without them, I probably would not have had the drive to want to finish these guides.
Timestamps and Songs for the video are below:
Timestamps:
0:00 Start
0:30 L-Cancel
0:57 Dash Dance
1:44 FoxTrot
2:17 Wavedash
3:26 Waveland
4:05 Triangle Jump
4:28 Isai Drop
5:33 Shai Drop
6:53 Shield Drop
7:33 PC Drop
8:06 Moonwalk/Stickywalk/Boostwalk
8:11 Moonwalk
8:51 Stickywalk
9:20 Boostwalk
9:51 Haxdash
10:18 Run Cancel
11:01 Pivoting
11:39 ItemGrab
12:20 Crouch Cancel
12:54 DI
13:45 SDI
14:40 SDI Jab Resets
15:19 Teching
16:00 Amsah Tech
16:23 WallTechs
17:10 Meteor Cancel
17:47 5 Types of Grabs
18:42 Powershield/Heart Shield
19:06 Heart Shield
19:29 Shield DI
20:24 Doraki Instant Walljump
21:02 Chaingrab Port Priority
21:50 B-Reverse
22:20 Slide Off
22:41 ASDI
23:08 Dingo Drop
23:29 Z Drop
23:57 Phantom Hits
24:18 Angled Moves
24:46 Edge Cancel
25:30 Sweetspot Vs. Sourspot
26:03 Double Fast Fall
26:36 Lean Drop
27:05 Head Bonk EFI
27:29 KoopaBackDashWaveSlideHoverWalkMoonLand
28:07 Multi-ShieldDrop
28:37 PCX Drop
Songs:
Harmony of Heroes: Smashin' Through
Harmony of Heroes: Smash Superstars
Harmony of Heroes: Target Blitz
Harmony of Heroes: Senjo
Harmony of Heroes: Kumite
OC Remix - Smash Superstars
Outset Initiative - Super Smash Bros Melee ReMix
Bearkeys - Final Destination
BearKeys - All Star Rest Area
BearKeys - Break the Targets
Links:
www.ssbwiki.com/Wavedash (Lengths Wavedash)
smashboards.com/threads/shdl-...
/ heart_shield_powershie...
/ item_grab_mechanics_wi...
www.ssbwiki.com/moonwalk (Moonwalk/StickyWalk/Boostwalk)
smashboards.com/threads/fox-v...
• Hitlag and directional... (DI/SDI/ASDI) - เกม
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Some comments about the video since no annotations so leaving this pinned here:
In the meteor cancel section, you cannot meteor cancel frames 1-7, but you can any time frame 8 and beyond. Also the lockout is 40 frames, not 60.
B-Reverse in Melee isn't the same as other games, you don't reverse momentum with the move. It's akin to a turnaround move, although I have heard both ways myself just due to the overlap of players in all the communities.
@Yoni Arousement I don't mind it. They looked kinda nasty
Everybody gangster until ganon does the koopabackdashwaveslidehoverwalkmoonland
Don't forget good ol' #39
Thats funny though because i can do it fairly consistently.
How do I press A?
matt carpenter Half press it first
@@PokemonHeroTristan then release it at frame 4 to perform a jab
Dude, come on.
I don't fucking know.
literally never heard of the dingo drop before, melee just has so much hidden tech
Ecyen It’s usually referred to as a T-Drop (because of involving teeter). Westballz was a big fan of it and would do it a bunch when he streamed. As mentioned in this video though, it’s only available on Fountain of Dreams, so it’s not terribly useful in competitive
I'm not sure who came up with the term T-drop, but I've literally never heard it before like 2015. I learned the Dingo Drop from Dingo himself in 2012 around when I started playing.
@@garrettrobinson7467 It seems that it's mostly known as Dingo Drop from people within his region. If you Google "before:2016-01-03 melee "dingo drop"" you can see where T-Drop came from. It was decently hot at the time, so players like Westballz picked it up and perpetuated it.
KINO
So amazing that every year this list gets longer. Great video as always, thanks!
I bet everyone who wants to improve tech with their respective haracter of choice has seen your videos. Nice to see youre still uploading! The melee youtube scene is gonna be great again!
ISAI DROPS ARE GOATED AND SHOULD BE USED MORE OFTEN💯‼️
0:30 _cries in G&W_
Still can L-cancel like two aerials, i would cry about shield size tho
Poor G&W, the upside is that hes super easy to learn because you can only L cancel 2 aerials
don't know if you are going to read this or this message will get to you, but let me tell you that all your melee tutorials are really good and help a lot, especially to the new people who want to get into the game. thank you very much for all of them.
thanks a lot pal.
A criticism of this video would be that for younger players, they may feel that they need to learn all of these, which is untrue. I would list the core, most important tech first, then the "optional" tech afterwards :)
Which ones do you consider most important?
@@poopyjoe depends, like, I play Luigi and I NEEDED to learn how to wavedash as soon as possible. On fox or just really fast characters it can be not used...sometimes. still a useful tech
10:13 Haxdash tips:
KennyTheKid Haha I guess if I could go back and rewrite that, the only tips I have are practice practice practice for that section. With UnclePunch’s mod you can get a lot of good training in without wasting time to SD’s.
Should probably mention not every character has angled tilts.
True, I went into detail on the individual videos for those that did
Even link?
@@tap5263 I don't think Link can angle any tilts or smash attacks, but he can angle his side B (Boomerang)
I really appreciate you doing this each year (and even for specific characers), greatly helps to come back from a longer Melee break to get informed on what has been added to the tech list!
Your videos are amazing. You deserve 100 million times more views. Thank you so much for compiling the techniques used in one of the greatest games ever played
Thank you so much for making these videos! I've spent 5 years watching these and I've learned SO much from it! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for all the visuals for every tech. I appreciate it mostly because I’m a visual learner so it really helps. Going to practice these and implement some into my play, great video! 🙏
I love watching melee, and now I can fully immerse myself into the game. This video was killer!!
Hey man I just wanna say your content helps me out a lot cause I'm new to melee and I'm looking into going to tournaments and the content is amazing ♥️
This is the first tutorial where practicality of use for all techs are explained + video demonstration is shown. And the inputs display too. An absolute must watch, and the best video out there so far for beginners.
You are godly for making all these tech guides, THANK YOU
Clear concise and under 30 minutes!
Awesome guide thanks so much. This will surely help new players
So happy this is out!!!
Incredible video man congratulation!
THIS IS AMAZING THANK YOU.
You know they were memeing when they named the KoopaBackdashwaveslideHoverwalkmoonland.
I love this channel
Ok. This is epic
24:18 you can also angle other moves that might not be as obvious such as marth or peach up b
ITS BACK
The 8 dislikes are from the people who can’t be bothered to learn the techs
Haven't played smash in 10 years but wanted to checkout how the scene changed. I played from 2006-2009 at Rutgers and in the PA area a little afterwards. Played m2k all the time and we had some good players at the time. The game mustve been younger then as I got second place in the Rutgers tournament (lost to doyoung) and we used to do 2v2s and 1v1s biweekly. Now I see m2k is one of the best players in the world, he's come a long way!
Always cool seeing the old guard checking back in, sounds like a fun scene back then. The fact that M2K has adapted to the meta changing over so many years and staying on top the whole time is impressive.
The guide I was waiting for!
Dat ending was so abrupt lol. Thank you for the info!
its so cool for the melee tech skill guide getting longer and longer each year. Even after 20 years, the meta keeps progressing
I love these videos, they are among my favourites. Is there any chance you will make a similiar series for another Smash game, such as Project M or Smash Ultimate?
Thank you third chair!
you should do one with moves that include a players name, like the Armada shine
GOOD CONTENT MAHN
Thx for the tech
just wanted to say thanks
LET"S GOOOOOOOOO
The description should have a 0:00 timestamp before all of the other timestamps. That would make the video's timeline become neatly divided into all of the different parts, and would be a nice quality of life improvement
GOAT
Don't let Melee die
The run cancel for stopping momentum can’t be done by shielding, your momentum carries unless you are in dash I believe. Great vid tho :)
4:45 Isai Drop. I can't believe I never heard of this, thank you. My questions is "How can it be buffered from an areial if you have to walk before dropping? Is it through an l-cancel?"
Hey sorry about the wait, basically you “buffer” the walk while moving forward with the aerial movement (since if L cancelled or auto cancelled, the character will take a step forward after if there is enough space on the platform), and then doing the downward input right after you land.
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I discoverd a new tech. When on ledge if you hold down the c stick really far down. It will buffer a d air. But it reguires some practice to understand.
C Stick down makes you fast fall from the ledge, you’d have to input it again to get a Dair from that point.
me who thinks wavedashing off a platform and then wavelanding on the ground is impressive for me who just got the game : 😮
No Smash Turn Pivot Jump?
Fun facts the Koopa back dash thingy was actually has a really long because the people who discovered thought it would be funny if it had a really long pointless name
Certainly was fun to figure out how to space on the card title thanks to them lol
@@thirdchair9670 lol
7:16 I’m confused, can’t you just spam l/r/z as much as you want as long as it’s within the 7 frame window it will still count? I thought the only thing that you get locked out of is techs if you hard press, not l-cancels?
Iirc some players like to do the double L Cancel approach with both L/R when landing from a weird spot to better guarantee an L Cancel. Just from the top of my head I think you’re right though probably just an older mistake in information I forgot to fix
How to count frames
sometimes i grab ledge accidently when i’m dash dancing, what’s this called ?
Ur the 🐐
Yall should be practicing at home. Corona its no joke, take care people.
this kinda gives me the same vibes as the OG video from wak017 from back in the day
Was unaware someone else had made a guide like this long ago :o
@Third Chair Do you mind if I ask where you got your name from?
Short hand, this was going to be a co-op game channel, we just liked the idea of the audience being the Third Chair, but it eventually transitioned to a Melee guides channel, and I just liked the name so never went to change it
You forgot the link in the description to Kadano's DI video 😔
All the links are up for the General Guide now 👍
Love how you put a mound of text and then remove the text before literally anybody can finish reading it
Yeah it’s certainly tough to judge the amount of timing because everyone reads and processes the text at different speeds compared to if it was commentated
@@thirdchair9670 indeed
2:46 is perfectly in sync with the music
Bruh u don't even need to foxtrot wit Luigi with how he moves with his wavedash, which is faster than his run and almost out paces foxes full sprint speed.
No Wonder melee players get carpal tunnel. Jeez. The most complicated movement tech we have in ultimate is either dash-walking or dash attack cancelling
Not mention of v-cancels?
It’s in a few of the character ones but definitely can fit in this one too just forgot honestly :(
I wish your input display was for the player doing the di and asdi instead of just fox up smashing
Would be quite cool if it tracked AI inputs yeah
What's the name of the mix?
What mod are you using to see if you successful did it
20XX / 20XXTE
Thanks
what is the song at the beginning?
All songs are in the description!
5:41 "that is also allows"
So many videos, so many spelling error possibilities lol
@nulberry official I think you accidentally left this here
I want to play melee but there is way to much to learn and practice and I don't have as much time as I use too.
You don’t have to learn it all or for a long time. 15 minutes a day goes a long way, even just doing the essentials
started on ult, this is rediculous lol
Haxdash tips
How did you get the input display?
It’s an in game setting in 20XX, just start any match, pause, and hit Y + Dpad left to toggle input display on and off
Also 20XXTE has it too.
@@thirdchair9670 Kk, thank you. Do you know perhaps any free way to get something similar to work for regular melee? Like say I wanted to stream Slippi but wanted to show my inputs
Considering that slippi uses the base Melee game to run I don’t think it’s possible atm without some sort of rom hack, however you can get an external tool to take care of input display for streaming like what Axe does.
how long will it take to master all of this
A lot less time then you might expect, but definitely depends on practice and how quickly you as a person can pick things up.
@@thirdchair9670 thanks man
I read run cancel as fun cancel lmao
easy, just play against Army
ledgedash?
I really could go more into detail about that yeah.
lmao where is air dodge cancel item throwing. i mean come on
Hi I’m a Japanese Melee player.
I wanted to ask you to let me make the translated version of your videos.
Japan community doesn’t have a good general guides like your videos.
So it will be a Reprint permission.
If you have any questions or conditions please let me know.
I couldn't find your email address, so I wrote it here.
Sorry if my English is bad. Thank you!
I think that’s a great idea, so I wish you the best of luck with it. All I ask is just that you credit the original video somewhere. Also your English is pretty good! If you do complete it let me know, I can then link the translation in the description too!
@@thirdchair9670 Thank you for your response, it is very helpful!
I will tell you when the vid is uploaded.
After that, I'm planning to make a Japanese version of the character-specific videos as well.
Would you also give me permission to translate other videos?
thanks!
Of course, feel free to do so as well!
@@maig0 がんばって！ :)
@@thirdchair9670 I finished the translation!
The account is different, but it's my channel.
th-cam.com/video/_Jtgl0OkDas/w-d-xo.html
Again, thank you so much for your permission!
I'll try to translate glitch video or top tiers video next.
I'll message you again when I've finished translating!
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Why u have to make the video so fast?slow it down-.-
wavedash down is bullshit. It doesn’t allow for better spacing as you are literally wavedashing down, meaning you are not moving. If you mean wavedash slightly to one direction, that has a use
No, it halts momentum and allows you to run to where you need to space and then stop perfectly. Go watch a wizzy vod, he wavedashes in place every single time he goes to tech chase
@@elliothicks7602 wizzy dash wavedashes forward when techchasing.
Wavedash down is useful for spacing if you're in a run animation, or playing a character with a long wavedash that you want to cut short
Also a good feint
why not just crouch if you want to stop momentum
@@nuggeteater69 you can't immediately cancel run into crouch but you can cancel run into jump/wavedash down
No koopabackdashwaveslide hoverwalkmoonland? unsubscribe
It’s there on the second slide and you can find that timestamp in the description
@@thirdchair9670 lmao amazing
@@thirdchair9670 how foolish of me to assume you would make such a great error, shame on me