Ghost Squadron Close Call Ft Lauderdale Airshow 12 May 2024
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Thanks Juan. Great video. For future reference if you want to slowly go through a video you can use "." (period) to go forward 1 frame and "," to go back one frame. Useful for this type of analysis.
It does too. I also did not know that. Thanks @nate7803
Awesome! I didn't know that either! Thanks for that tip!
You are the man, Nate!
I already knew this, but I had forgotten it. Thank you for the reminder.
I guess viewing on my Roku TV precludes such handy navigation!?
Oh, well...
thanks for using my footage!!
Great video!!! Thank God it didn't turn out much worse!!!
"How close do you fly to each other?" "Negative one inch."
If you want to know more about the guy behind Polaris Dawn there’s a Netflix documentary called ‘Countdown’ with some great footage of Jared flying his MiG 29. He’s going to be first private individual to do a space walk later this year.
Walk Safe Jared
Hello Scott ! 💫
@@hadrianopolis1968you mean “Hullooow Scott!”
Wow. Of course always want good outcomes but in this case, came within a hair of ending the Polaris program and killing a man who has not only advanced private spaceflight but has also raised hundreds of millions of dollars for kids’ cancer treatments and research, and intends to raise a lot more. Glad everyone’s okay.
So... I'm guessing tip tanks are dry during flight demonstrations?
When airshows go right, they're great. When they go wrong, its horrible. This was very close to going bad
How much time and research went into coming up with such a profound and insightful conclusion? May I have your permission to use your findings in an upcoming term paper I'm doing on airshows?
Honestly, don't think the upside is remotely worth the possible downsides.
When apostrophes go wrong, it's horrible.
@@bradsanders407 4/5 for Snark Factor! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😁
@@bradsanders407 imagine wanting to be edgy online in 2024... pretty embarrassing
As much as I love them, it's hard not to start feeling like Air Shows are simply too dangerous, too much risk.
Life is full of dangers. If safety is your paramount concern you may live a long, long time....but just before you die you will realize you have been dead for a long time.
Never a good idea to touch tips. Glad everyone was okay!
I see what you did there, and can't disagree
Guess it depends 😂
That's a very nice tip. So nice you wish you could touch it
good advice.....
What if it's just the tip?
I saw them at Sun N Fun last month. Beautiful formations and aircraft. Glad everyone is ok and will all fly again.
One of them might not. Somebody fouled up here.
@@charlesfaure1189 It's a civilian organization. So they will likely fly again. But that jet will need some rather expensive repairs.
This was as close as close calls get. Inches from disaster.
zero inches...
Near Death Experience.
Absolutely. With four planes so close together, this could have been a terrible pile up.
This was sooo close to being a tragic disaster!!! Thank God they all were able to excape safely with all landing safe!!! I bet that got their attention level maxed out!
Juan, isn’t the no. 4 usually in a step down position behind the lead no 1 to avoid engine exhaust and show smoke for improved visibility? My cousin Capt Howard Tarbet followed my Dad into the RCAF (I couldn’t ☹️) and he flew no. 7 with the Snowbirds in 1986/87. Far outboard position and difficult to fly. He had a teammate lose a wingtip tank with a wee bump with another teammate’s wingtip while flying cross country to their next show. No aircraft went down and all were able to land safely. The Snowbirds are a superb demonstration team with 9 aircraft in close, really close formation. Glad to hear all Ghost team members land safely. Pushing the envelope is what these demonstration pilots do and rarely accidents happen. The important th😅ng is to analyze what happen, and learn from it.
I don't need planes to fly this closed to make me happy. Stop.
Oh you thought they were doing that for us? Brother.
NO!
Those guy's are some of the best! It goes to show you how quick things can happen! Nice recovery, very professional! Live and learn! Just glad no injuries or major damage!
Never talk about pilots being the best right after at least one of them has fouled up.
@@charlesfaure1189 Even the best make mistakes!
@@charlesfaure1189 everyone makes mistakes. all it takes is one. I think of Richard McSpadden. He was an excellent pilot but one bad flight (flown by him and another pilot) cost him his life. Does not negate his talent.
Good to hear that the pilots all landed safely.
Not hugely relevent, but surely the number 2 is on therightofthe formation and thr bnumber3 on the left? The inside(of a turn ) wingman sliding in towards the box ac is quite common and if he is also a bit low ( which makes it easier for him to see the leader), he can touch the boxman.
Nice to see they didn't do anything more than that. Remember when those two jets touched during one of the heats at Reno a few years ago? That happened so fast, if you blinked you missed it. Thankfully nobody was hurt that time either.
you can use keyboard keys comma , and period . while a youtube video is paused to move one frame at a time back and forward, better than using space i think
Tip: use the . and , keys (if you’re european) or < and > keys (if you’re american) on your keyboard to skip a youtube video frame by frame.
And holding shift while pressing those keys, speeds up/slows down the video.
Disaster averted for sure. Great reactions by the pilots to get out of the formation and get clear. Thanks Juan!
At 25 seconds in I can only assume such a manuever was practiced and prepared for. All pilots knew which way to escape. Top airmanship.
Nice coverage Juan!
Juan, you can step through the frames on TH-cam with the period and comma keys. Much better than clicking with the mouse.
This is why I don't go to airshows: I don't want my kids to watch someone die right in front of them.
But driving down the road is far more dangerous 😂
My wife was on a southwest flight the week before last and has video of what I understand is a canoe fairing wobbling in the airstream. This looks just like the part reported missing today from a United 737-800.
Thanks Dan!
thanks Juan, always the best videos❤
They don’t need to pretend to be the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds, unless they’re willing to commit full-time to it the way they do. This is a perfect example of why.
Because only the military can train pilots to fly like this? I believe it was Juan who said the jets are flying themselves anyhow. Video of one of the thunderbird pilots going inverted while his arms are resting on either side of the cockpit then giving double birds while the jet is maneuvering is evidence of this.
@@bradsanders407 only the military can afford (thanks to all of us) the substantial amount of hardware, training, maintenance, support, logistics, and safety management system that makes such an endeavor safe. Most of the random L-39 pilot and Maverick wannabes are just accidents waiting to happen, IMHO. I submit that they’ll experience more accidents, faster than the pros. Time will tell. Non full-time professionals should plan for less risky separation and less risky maneuvers. No need to hang almost wingtip to wingtip. Crashes aren’t crowd-pleasing.
Great video - thanks!
Hi Juan just a tip for slow motion replay on TH-cam, the video can be ffw or rwd frame by frame using > or < on your keyboard after pausing the video with spacebar. Hope this helps. Thanks for sharing!
One can also use youtube enhancer for more controls of playback. Allows variable playback speeds from as low as .01x to 200+. I keep mine on .05 increment for adjusting things finely.
its comma and period , and .
It's comma and period, not < and >. If people followed your instructions literally they'd actually press
I love it when you get to report on good endings.
Best Regards.
Glad they're all good. Have seen them a few times they put on a really good show
Wow,that was indeed close.
Amazing footage Juan.
And that is why formation flying is such a PITA. And a good 'pucker factor' for pilots.
Thank you, keep working.
thanks
I love these air shows so much but I wish they would stop putting the lives of these pilots in danger with some of these close maneuvers …as a fan I am just as happy to see them do non risky maneuvers because we love our pilots so much
From what I saw, #2 hit the lead and not #4. #4 is set lower in the formation than #2 and #3. Usually in a diamond formation, when doing a topside pass infront of the crowd, 4 is shifted over a bit so when the diamond is seen from the top, it still looks symmetrical to the crowd.
In 2021 the Finnish Air Force air acrobatics team ”Midnight Hawks” were practicing when two Hawks touched wing-tips mid-air. Everyone landed safe and there were only slight scratches on the aircraft.
Called exchange paint
To change speed of playback using keyboard press Shift < to incrementally decrease speed and Shift > to increase playback speed.
Having seen it I figured the tip tank contacted the #1 elevator turning it up causing the #1 to nose up and out avoiding what could of ended up being worse if it contacted elsewhere.
Good job, lot happened extremely fast. Glad they pullrd the right manuvers without really thinking about it . All too often that isn't the case as the damage is too servere. Seems No. 4 almost had the canopy up in the exhaust. Hard to tell but damn close to death. Fortunate to live to discuss it
Juan always does a great job. Thx.
Thank you FROG RAIL FANNING.
Thank you Captain Jaun Brown
Just shows how much precision goes into flying these shows
Good work Juan. Anyone else see it a strange coincidence Juan Guthmiller suddenly deleted his video of his dubious L39 formation full of poor airmanship flying head down whilst in close number two. Lose objects all over the cockpit yet the seats marked culminating with a run in and break at a civil airport aligned with the in correct runway the same day Juan posted this.
Civilian pilots flying military jets equiped with ejection seats.That sounds familiar. It can't happen until it does happen.
The accident at the Thunder Over Michigan accident should have put an end to this insanity.
The credibility of the entire Airshow community in regards to vetting and hiring these acts is in question. Too many fatal accidents last year and now this situation which could have been a catastrophe.
I take issue with your “civilian pilots flying military jets….” comment. It’s just not accurate.
You specifically mentioned the MiG-23 crash in Michigan. The owner and pilot of that aircraft was Dan Filer. Dan was a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy and flew A-6’s from carriers. His back-seater was Air Force.
Do you know anything about the Ghost Squadron pilots? I don’t know much about the guys flying the L-39’s, but I know Jared Isaacman’s back-seater in the MiG-29 was a career F-18 guy.
I’ve met all 4 of the pilots I just mentioned.
Great video
Superb situational awareness and spectacular avoidance skills! It'll be interesting if there's a report on details. Thank you, sir!
FYI You can jog TH-cam videos frame by frame on your PC by pressing the period or comma.
Close quarters, Military flying maneuvers in civilian air show settings. What could possibly go wrong.
Maybe they should take that out of the airshow.
To close for missile ...and to close for the gun too!! I switch wing !
"FOX JET-Alpha!"
Too
If you want actual frame by frame advance forward and backwards use the < or > keys
Thanks for posting this Juan. That was close
JUAN! In TH-cam, you can press the comma (,) or period (.) keys to go backwards on forwards a single frame in the video, respectively. No need to rapidly, skilfully double-click the play button to advance a little bit in the video, possibly skipping frames or losing your place.
I was at the Saturday show. Great performance!
I was not directly at the air show at Fairchild in 94 but out on the tractor mowing are field and was watching the B52 and was saying to myself that who is ever flying that B52 is going to get people killed because of his high bank turns he was doing and 5 minutes later all i saw was a fireball and smoke. I drove to the house to watch the news. And it was actually the wing commander who was a out of control reckless pilot with a record of unsafe actions as a pilot. He should have been grounded but they still let him fly. The Airforce didn't do their job and it cost the lives of his crew.
I was there with my son and I accidentally yelled a profanity when I saw this. Don't think most others noticed the emergency formation breakaway so I looked like a psycho yelling the f bomb
I saw them fly in Oshkosh, they put on a nice performance.
Thankfully no fatalities Juan ,safe flights mate,🙏🙏👋👏👏👍🇦🇺
Sent here from “What’s going on in shipping “. I’ve only heard the first 10 seconds about “narrowly avoiding disaster “ and it’s a great start
Good thing these Albatrosses have the wingtip fuel tanks. And also are overbuilt as is known. Let them roar, little buggers!
Cudos to all pilots, Their escape maneouver was excellent. I think they have a rule where either pilot can shout "Touch" and all will initiate their respective escape maneouver.
Closer than close
On youtube, the comma key (to the right of m) and the full stop key (to the right of the comma key) can be used to go backward and forward by single frames, no need to try to catch the exact frame using pause-unpause using a mouse.
If you look at 0:15 the right tip tank of the #2 jet clearly impacts the the lead jet (#1) elevator on the way up (#2 rolling left) as one or two frames later a change in the pitch of the lead jet can be seen looking at the lead jet's engine exhaust. The lead jet pitches up. The tip tank then contacts the lead jet a second time (#2 rolling right) going down and sustains the final damage. To me, either the lead jet pilot felt the first hit on the elevator /horizonal stab and pulled up or it deflected the stab tail end up resulting in the pitch up. At least from what I see. Cheers
Trading paint... phew! That will fill the shorts. Glad it worked out
Hope we can hear more details about this incident.
I always have wondered the purpose of being so tight. Why risk lives for entertainment? Spread out a bit and its still an amazing spectacle.
Same here. One of the Valkyries crashed in 1966 because of a mid-air while doing a photo shoot. Joe Walker and the copilot of the Valkyrie were killed. Totally unnecessary, IMO.
Should make for an interesting post show debrief. Would be good if Isaacman informs publicly what is going to be put in place to prevent a re-occurence. More training/more formation hours might be a good start plus more separation.
I checked their website and saw very little about the Pilots and their Experience.
Oh they just sell raffle tickets pre-show and the winners get to fly the show. So some may very well have been in the seat for the first time ever. Also they operate under a don't ask don't tell policy in regards to experience. So unless the people involved feel like offering up the information there's no way to find out.
@@bradsanders407 I believe the Patriot Jet Team in Byron CA has a detailed experience list of their Pilots.
Good eye from Blancolirio. This should be good reminder of dangers of close formation flying. Who knows, they may try next the Kolvoord Starburst with five Dragons...
I got great photos of Saturday’s show, u could tell they were giving the mig plenty of space thru the routine “getting the rust knocked off”. I was very excited to see the Fulcrum fly. Who would’ve thunk MiG29 in a friendly sky.
Tip: You can use the angle-bracket (comma and period) keys to scan frame-by-frame in youtube videos.
Thank you! Hopefully we do see something about this. Always learn good stuff from your presentations.
Oh please he's not a investigator he's Just some TH-camr who knows nothing about accident investigation it will be investigated by someone
@@GamingWithMaddog I believe you have misinterpreted my comment.
Great job pilots for getting the birds down safely.
✈️ JUAN BROWN ✈️
Juan, do you think more of these types of close calls and accidents are happening than before? Or are we simply being exposed to them more often with social media and video cameras everywhere?
I’m happy that this one was just close call and everyone got home safe.
Snivilians pulled it off‼️ Amazing‼️
The best air show stuff I've seen are solo. I've seen a GEE BEE do a show and a sail plane also. They were great. Also I saw a F15 come off the end of the runway in Everett WA Paine field when I was getting off work back in 93 when the gear was up it turned straight up and went out of sight. That was'nt a show. It was to me!!
I stepped outside one day as F-18s were practicing for an air show. One did a high power low pass over the office building and my lizard brain died. Something about that rumble....
I love air shows, but I've never had another experience as intense as just being in the right place during that practice run. Kind of like your F-15 maybe.
A pair of MH-53's flew low over me, exactly over me at a few hundred feet the other day. Felt like a show. I was at work--next to the old air base.
Significant emotional event
#2 should be more forward
Bet they had good grips on the seat cushions!
Yeeeikes!
aaaaand - one more reason I'll never do aerobatics again or fly in formation. Those days are over. It was great fun while it lasted though!
A definite Flight-Suit-Stainer, that one!
I feel bad for the crew who cleans and prepares the cockpit.
Thunderbirds put on an uneventful show? I know what he means, but that's not the greatest choice of words. The Thunderbirds are always an incredible event, a spectacular show! They've been my favorite team since I was a lil bitty boy. (Props to the Snowbirds!) I don't mean to be critical so much as I wanna give a huge shout out to the mighty T-birds.
I'd say #4 went #2
It’s OK, they are all wearing FLIGHT SUITS!
To me, it looked like the number 1 lead jet was slowing down for some reason which the right plane sees and the rear plane did not see. Then the right plane (reading the revits) started slowing and then the two planes bumped as the lead continued to slow and bumped the right. But that's all what I see from the angle. Anyway just a thought.
Can't get any closer than that, to disaster 😲 Hats off to the pilots to recover from that tho
I would love to have been a fly on the, uh, wall on the ramp after that one. Bet the air was blue.
Not important, but Thumbnail image says "April" instead of "May"
Very glad the pilots were skilled enough to handle the bump and come out alive. Best possible result: everyone ok.
Good catch. It appears Juan corrected it to May.
FYI, you can use the , and . keys to actually scan frame-by-frame instead of clicking.
Juan, it looks like the #2 right tip tank touches the nose of the #4 aircraft. I think the perspective from the camera is throwing the positions off and makes it look different. Parallax or what not. Cheers!
I was at the Airshow both Saturday and sunday ..Didn't see the incident but noticed they didn't finish their routine and that all the L-39s flew away separately. Funny enough when the T-birds did their demonstration at one point the #3 jet broke away from the diamond formation and took a little while to rejoin .
I OBSERVED THE ( # 2 received two strikes the ruder it looks damaged and the tip fuel tank ) VERY SCARRY SITUATION. SALUDOS AVIATOR
Makes me think of Reno ...never did see a vid on it.
Hi Blan, you can use the period and comma keys to go frame by frame in a TH-cam video.