We will never know, but what if the pitcher took a few steps directly towards the runner coming from 3rd before throwing. Typically this move freezes the runner and allows the rest of the team to move into position. The pitcher then has the option to throw to home or third. Just a few steps to shorten the running lane would make a huge difference in defending against this tactic.
I agree…they do have a double play in order now with bases loaded but, agree the third baseman should been in position to catch and make that out at third.
The shortstop made the mistake of following R2 all the way to 3rd base. He needs to be about 30 feet off the 3rd base bag. That way when R3 retreats to 3rd and R2 takes off back to 2nd, the catcher has a quick throw to SS for a tag out. At least that's the way we practice it.
Catcher tried to fake the runner at 3rd and pick him off when he went for the run at home. I think that was the smartest play, the runner didn't take the bait.
Catcher is responsible for third base. If third baseman was further off third, towards 2nd, catcher would throw to him, tag runner from 2nd, then run towards hitter, to get double play. Pitcher would be covering home.
Agreed. Only possible mistake was catcher not being quick/aggressive enough on tagging both runners. Both teams played it quite well otherwise. Priority in these circumstances is to avoid giving up tying run, which they did
Youd be wrong. Defense screwed up. They got greedy and managed to get zero outs. Players at this level arent going to step off the base incorrectly anyway. I would say this is good base running though, but the defense definitely messed up, probably coached incorrectly on it, but they did not react in “the best possible manner” if they had they would have gotten the lead runner and possibly kept the runner off 2nd as well.
That is a super smart play. I'm surprised that you don't see it more. The worst thing that can happen is the offense gets one out, but they have a chance of scoring a run. That's a good trade off.
Great base running, error was on catcher for not throwing to third for the tag on lead runner. Catcher got greedy looking for two ended up with none. One in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.
I don't think the catcher was looking for two outs. He saw the runner headed back to third, where another runner was already standing. Most of the time, that's an easy out with no throw. It' not greed - it's why make a throw if you don't have to? But at some point, he should have made a throw. Toss it to the 3B once he's standing in front of that trail runner - he'll be in a better position to tag the runner if he retreats. Maybe tell the SS that he doesn't have to immediately go ALL THE WAY over to third. Maybe the 2B should have moved towards that retreating runner to shorten the throw. I dunno - throw it to 2B or even 1B...but at some point, throw it. Sure, the lead runner might break for the plate, but it looks like the pitcher is covering home here, so they had that taken care of. The runners may be hoping for a wild throw, but the defenders should trust themselves enough to throw accurately.
@@camicawber Good point, why throw if you don't have to. Us monday morning quarterbacking is easy. I don't think all the possibilities you went through actually went through the catchers mind. Your right be confident in fundamentals like throwing and catching. I still think the correct play was get lead runner out in the pickel. Manager and coaches would not fault you for that. After that out there may have been more to be had. Yes pitcher did a good job getting to plate to cover if necessary. I'd like to be a fly on the wall watching game films with the coach on this one.
The way it's presented sounds complicated, but it's not. The simple play here is to complete the run-down out of the runner at 3rd base. Forget about the other runners. As a rule, you want to get the lead runner out. That's the best defensive leverage available since the defense has the numbers to run a textbook run-down. If you can then catch the other runner between 2nd and 3rd base, complete that run-down out, and so on. If you've already run him back to third, you've played into their hands and now you'll need to bait him into trying to score by throwing behind the other runner at 2nd. Once you pulled the 3b runner off far enough, then throw home to begin the pickle with him and complete the out. The goal is to always get at least 1 out on an infield hit. The preference is to get the lead runner to prevent a run from scoring.
Def feels like high IQ baserunning. The best thing you can do is force your opponent to think on the fly, especially if it's something you've practiced. It can lead to an unforced error that you can capitalize on. If the defense ever throws the ball, the offense can try to score, leading to a repeat of the sequence, which only the defense can break by either letting the runners retreat to load the bases and one out or try to get the lead runner in a rundown and execute it perfectly for an out, ending up with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.
My pet peeve is defending a rundown with your keyster over the base. You need to pinch in as the other defender forces the runner back to your base, you can't stand there at the base. That's how they could have gotten an out on the lead runner with one more throw. Once the lead runner made it back to third, they could have defended it by having the second baseman pinch in and take the much shorter throw from the catcher near where the SS plays for a quick tag. Less ideal, but once the middle runner made it back to second, the first baseman could have pinched in to where the trail runner stopped between first and second for a shorter throw and quick tag
Exactly wrong. In a run down situation fielders should receive the throw directly in front of the base and the fielder with the ball should ideal force the runner to retreat and dive back into the base. If the catcher did this initially the lead runner would be out at third. If the 3rd baseman had pinched in and been in the base path before he received the throw in would be interference and everyone is safe. Pinching in in a run down is a poor fundamental play that is often miss thought and causes poorly executed rundowns.
If this is something to be defended, then the outfielders should come in to allow shorter throws to be made. It would be easier to cut off a throw, and, for instance, have a short throw that can then be redirected to another place where the runner could be tagged out.
This is exactly how to defend this baserunning play by Tennessee: Treat the lead runner on 3rd as you normally would have if he was the ONLY runner on base. In an ordinary rundown/pickle your primary objective as the defense is to tag the runner out before he can advance to the next base or home, OR make it safely back to the bag he got picked off from. The mistake here by Georgia that they got "tricked" into making by Tennessee was to relax the cardinal rule of executing a rundown -- to not allow the lead runner to get back to 3rd. In this instance the catcher needed to make a throw to the 3rd baseman to keep the lead runner trapped off the base and keep running at him with the ball til he's exhausted/gets tagged out, and isn't interfered with, basic rundown execution. Huge credit to whoever it was on the Tennessee side who devised this base running trick for this exact scenario, to steal away what ordinarily should be an easy groundout at 1st. As Antonelli baseball points out Tennessee took advantage of the (faulty) thought process that says you don't have to treat the lead runner in this instance as if he's a solo runner in a pickle because you can just let him retreat to the previous bag. Not against Tennesse you can't (or any other teams who now see this!)
Brewers did something similar to the Cubs - twice. Lorenzo Cain was one of the runners both times. Trail runner who went back to first on the 2018 play, and the lead runner who went back to second, and let his trail runner know nobody was covering first in 2020. I propose this tactic be named 'raising Cain' in Lorenzo's honor.
Finally! Someone actually ran the yo-yo successfully! We practice this every single time we did bass running drills in college, but every single time it happened in a game kids forgot to do it. Love that it actually worked for someone!
Poor fielding. The 3rd baseman was behind the runner. He didn't put himself in good position for the rundown. Should have gotten the runner and be left with 2 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd
Love this example! (As I do all of your examples.) It looks like the Third Baseman was, somewhat, obstructing the catcher from making the expected tags. It’s hard to know what the catcher was thinking. Was the catcher distracted by the Third Baseman’s position? Or was the catcher unsure as what to do with both runners on the bag?
Catcher should have 1) attempted a rundown 2) at least tagged the trail runner 3) last ditch attempted a run down for the trail runner going back to 2nd, but I at least agree with his final indecision to not throw to 1st. Very thoughtful and quality coaching on coordinating the situation on the offensive side. Terrible coaching or decision making for the catcher. As a ex-collegiate catcher, I'm not sure if I would have instinctively reacted in a better way as I was never proactively taught how to progressively process though a situation close to this. It's also quite interesting how well rundown confusion and risks can be so effective at any level below tope tier D1 ball.
To defend this, the shortstop needed to remain halfway between 3rd and 2nd, or the second baseman should occupy that same place if the shortstop wants to back up 3rd. The catcher can then throw a short one to his player for the out between 2nd and 3rd. This may also hold the runner at 3rd. If not, there will be a play down the 3rd baseline with the pitcher covering home. Could get a double play on the double rundown.
Very good tutorial. For both offense and defense. Was anyone covering home when they ran the runner back the third. If so I would have thrown to second. Both teams definitely kept their heads in the game
If I was the catcher. I would do the exact thing this catcher did. Run the runner back to third. Hopeful get an easy out. Let the runner go back to second. Bluff a throw to first. Hold the runner at third. *Why??* Pitcher has to cover home. Is the catchers pitcher a good fielder?? *Advantage to let runners go back to base with no throw??* No free run. Infielders can set up for a double play with the next batter.
Hopefully you wouldn't have assumed theses guys were going to just concede an out like this guy did. And I'd say try for the out, the pitcher catches about a dozen throws made to him every inning, it ain't that hard. I'd be more worried about accurate throws, but still, you should get an out here. Who needs a DP if you have two outs already.
I grew up on baseball in the '50s. About the only thing you heard then was the tv or radio commentator telling you "And around comes the right arm and in comes the pitch." And, there was no little league in New York City or other sources of sophisticated baseball analysis. Oh how I wish we'd have had Antonelli back then!
Start it over. But don't run the runner all the way back to third. Get the lead runner. Instead of bases loaded with 1 out. You have 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. It would be the same as the batter striking out. As it was 2nd and 3rd with 1out. It's now 2nd and 3rd with 2outs.
The theory is 99% of the time running the runner all the way back to an occupied bag is going to result in an out without you needing to make a throw. That's why it's taught that way. If you throw the ball to the 3B as if it's any other rundown, you risk an error that results in a run. If you run him all the way back, as Matt said, you're usually going to be able to tag both runners, get at least the trailing runner out, and maybe get 2 if the lead runner makes the mistake of leaving the bag. Runners are also coached that if the runner ahead of you is in a rundown, take their base and stay there. What Tennessee did is unusual and it would have been a mistake for Georgia to do anything different than they did.
Bad Defense by catcher. This play was enabled by the catcher because he stopped running as he approached 3rd base. The correct play is to run full speed towards 3rd and he would easily tag out the runner running back to 2nd with his momentum. Furthermore, if the runner standing at 3rd perceives there is a chance that the runner running from home to 3rd could be tagged out, he stands getting doubled up if he starts running back to 2nd. But the runner standing at 3rd can safely disengage to extend the run down because the catcher stopped running.
Could be that they were caught off guard, but maybe that was their plan going into the play. They might not want to risk a rundown with the score as it was. One dropped ball and maybe two runs score. And the play would become rather complicated for the fielders if the runner on third tried to retreat during the play.
Did you not listen to the commentary? Antonelli said that the defensive play here was to run the lead back to 3rd then get a tag on the trailing runner and hopefully pick up a double play if you can get the lead runner off guard as well. This is just excellent coaching by the offense because the trailing runner knew the exact moment when to leave 3rd base to avoid the out and force a decision by the catcher. The failure was the the man on 2nd was playing too far off the bag to get the out so the catcher saw his 2nd option was gone which broke down the play.
@@johnhoover1126Nope. Catcher blew it by not getting the easy out (lead runner) first. Any other outs (due to bad baserunning) would have been an added bonus.
@@johnhoover1126 I heard him and didn’t think he fully explained what he would expect to be the best option. It probably depends on the level of players…at this level, running a hot box on a runner clearly trapped between 3rd and home is an easy out. That would mean two outs with runners on 2 and 3…. Instead now they have bases loaded with one out.
Feels like the best way to defend is exactly what happened. They didn't get an out, but they did prevent a score. If the catcher had tried to throw it to 2nd or 1st, it removes the threat to the runner on 3rd to then attempt to score again. Better to chase him back to 3rd and if everyone else retreats safely, so be it. Try to produce a double play with the next batter to end the inning.
Yea as a base runner you are taught that if you find yourself in a rundown to stay in the rundown as long as you can if you are at third base like this runner does. But also if you are caught in a rundown to run along the baseline because your making the defense to make a choice. That is to make the defense to throw this ball over you and what might happen is that the catcher in this instance would either hit you in the back with the ball or he will throw the ball away. So Tennessee did what your suppose to do if you are in a rundown and so the defense did what you are taught to do. That is run the runner back to the base that he came from and so it was smart on Georgia's part not to force a throw and make a mistake
The pump-fake by the catcher seemed to be good choice. As you said, a difficult situation to defend. Never ever seen anything like that before! Thanks, Matt
If this were professionals, I'd be inclined to say the catcher should throw back behind the lead runner to force the run down. Pros should be able to execute a run down. In college, where this was, I would hope the fielders have practiced run downs enough to be confident in their run down execution. If they aren't, this was the right play. Get the runner back to third and accept bases loaded with one out. In high school, I'd say this was the correct play. The run down is perhaps 50/50 on execution at best, particularly with runners who are ready to force several throws.
Brilliant baserunning, and a good choice by the catcher not to throw the ball. Bases loaded, one out, sets up a force at home and/or a number of double-play possibilities.
Tennessees trail runner (R2) does a good job by getting to 3B & making sure that R3 touches 3B before trying to retreat back to 2nd. Ive seen times (too many) where R2 leaves 3B too soon. R3 gets tagged out and R2 hung out to dry (Double Play and kill rally). On Defense, C has to sprint and try to get (tag) R3 runner just before R2 leaves 3B. Good teams will usually leave R2 on 3B conceding R3. 2 outs with hope of R3 & R2 ( 1:21 B getting to 2B. If not 1st & 3rd w/ 2out . To stop what Tenn is trying to. @ 1:21 coachsaakee's point to where the SS should be (vs going all the way to 3B???) is how I was taught and i make sure my SS knows this! Great example of a situation that will occur if you have or going against an aggressive & good baserunning team.
a smart catcher might tag both guys standing on third base, if he's quick enough, R3 might think he's the one that is out and head for t he dugout at which point he can be tagged for the third out.
I originally thought both runners couldnt' be on the base at the same time but after a quick check i found out they can but only the lead runner would be considered safe. The catcher made the mistake of not tagging both runners. While both runners were on third was your best chance to get an out was right at 1:46.
The shortstop and second baseman are both to blame for not giving the catcher a target to throw to second base. The runner is between the catcher and the second baseman, the runner and third baseman block the catcher in one direction while the shortstop blocks the catcher in another. The catcher is stuck in the middle of a mini-scrum with no way to target a throw to second base, while the second baseman stands there like a lump making no move at all to improve his visibility to the catcher.
What about getting the ball behind the runner that has to retreat back to second? Maybe to SS about 20 feet off the bag. Once he has the ball walk him to third and tag him. He would be out regardless even if on third
What happened with the next batter? Georgia should’ve just concentrated on the runner at third and try to keep him from getting back to the bag. Would’ve been 2 outs with men on first and second. They did the right thing by not letting the run score a fall behind another run.
Maybe if the SS would’ve stayed 1/3 of the way instead of going to 3B, the catcher could have flipped the ball to him so that the SS can tag R2 on his way back to 2B, and still be in a position to throw home if R3 takes off. Idk, just my thoughts.
Good base running and good defense. I believe the catcher knew that if he tried to make a move to 2nd or 1st then there would be a good chance of 3rd scoring. Not optimal but the catcher chose the least worse outcome.
Was there a "good chance" of the runner scoring? He comes to a dead stop at 3B, which means that if he tries to score, he's got 90 feet to cover with absolutely no momentum. Home plate is covered. Unless these guys throw really slow or that runner is freakishly fast, they can easily make two throws (to 2B and then home or to 1B and then home) before the runner scores.
@@daifeichu The pitcher was covering home. And I get that you'd rather not make any unnecessary throws, but these guys are D1 players. They're in the SEC. Don't make any throws you don't have to, but they should've been confident in their ability to make throws when they need to.
@@camicawber Ya, he should have had the confidence to make a throw to 2nd or 1st but the voice in his said to keep it. They're D1 but pros make mistakes as well.
SS should have stopped 2/3 the way to 3rd base. Then, throw to him to tag out the middle runner. Pitcher is at home to defend home when the 3rd base runner takes off to home.
Catcher needed to throw it to 2nd. No reason not to with the pitcher covering home. Short easy throw. He hesitated and lost. Super smart play by TN, but from the wave back to the runner at 1st didn't look like it was absolutely intentional.
If the batter gets all the way to third and then goes back to first, how do they score the hit? Is it just a single? Or is it a double and then a reverse steal, like that one where a runner on second thought he got picked off, started running to the dugout, and then went to first so he wouldn't get out?
What's the rule when 2 runners are at (ie,., TOUCHING) a base? Is it that the more advanced runner is safe there while the back-runner is not? If so, then shouldn't the catcher just tag the baserunner who just came to 3rd base from 2nd?? That way, he gets the out, AND he's close enough that the runner at 3rd can't take off for home. Just let the batter (who's at 1st base) take 2nd base; who cares. We'd be in the exact same situation (men on 2nd & 3rd), except there'd now be another out and no one scores.
I mean..the pitcher is covering home. The catcher should have taken off in pursuit of the runner going back to 2nd, ready to throw home if necessary. This is EASILY defended to at least get one out. The best the offense should hope for is having runners on second and third with 2 outs here.
watch the replay again and tell me how the catcher is going to outrun that guy... nope. Good runner 15-20 mph, half decent throw 40-60 mph. Throw the ball.
The catcher could’ve gotten the lead runner if he threw it, or if he wanted to be very conservative, he should’ve been focused on tagging the trail runner the moment he was in arm length reach. He did neither and then it became way, way more difficult. Still great team base running.
The catcher, third baseman, and shortstop were all confused. The catcher would have demonstrated super high IQ had he curled around the third baseman to cut off the middle base runner. At that point, the lead could have had to run back to home or one of the runners would have been out. I double that returning to home would have worked out well for him.
A run down means throw ahead of the runner if he had toss to third base ahead of the runner we wouldn't be talking about it that catcher wanted to do everything himself and thats what happen dont let the runner go back you had the advantage
It's a shame we have no footage of Willie Mays running bases in odd situations like this It is a forgotten aspect of a wonderful player's brilliant all-around game
Bad D... their objective was to get the lead runner, otherwise would've thrown to 1B, but they needed to protect the run, but Catcher didn't have anyone to throw to in position to get the lead runner, so no out. The 2nd out would've been gravy if it happened, but now you're left with nothing, and bases loaded on a chirp of a hit. Surprised this is how it went down, but hey, have seen crazier stuff.
They should have just gotten the lead runner in a rundown, which should have been an easy out. Result: the same situation as before the play, but with one more out.
Matt, my take…..the problem in this scenario is all on Georgia. Kudos forTN for practicing this……I think the err is on the 5. 5 should have broke towards home plate so as to execute a proper rundown (albeit somewhat backasswards) and direct that runner back to the plate where 1 is covering. That’s the best defense for this scenario……2 did all he could, throwing to first woulda done nothing but exacerbate an already dicked up rundown.
Georgia played it perfectly. They either get a double play by any 2 bases or the force out at home. Georgia's catcher tried to fake the runner but the coach helped the runner out. It's not bad defense or good base running here. The true thing is bad umpiring because Tennessee had 2 runners so the force out is the runner returning to third base and that's what we should be saying.
@@chrisjones3791 nope….you are dead wrong on all counts. Two runners can occupy the same base at the same time, only one is entitled to the base and that’s the runner that already occupied that base, but they still need to be tagged. That was an easy out at home in a rundown, easy peasy, any team of worth should be able to execute that and come away with an out and runners at 2nd and third…..
If I’m the catcher I feel like an idiot. He should have thrown the ball to third when the lead runner was 5-6 feet from the bag. I do agree with the catcher on not throwing across the field to first though.
Runner on 3rd after going back should have went home again purposely running into the catcher who didn't have the ball any longer. He would have drawn an obstruction call and been awarded home.
At 1:20 the third baseman is standing ‘behind’ the runner. Not sure what he was thinking, but I think the catcher had no clear throw, if he had, they probably would have gotten the lead runner.
Bad Defense. Although you want to chase the lead runner back to the base for a possible double play, you always wanna just play the trap with the lead runner because in cases like this you would: a) end up with this situation where you get no one out. or b) end up playing the trap on anyone besides the lead runner with your back facing the lead runner, giving him the opportunity to run towards the next base without you seeing. Always take the out when it’s given to you…
The runner trying to score from third on an easy ground ball to the pitcher was bizarre enough let alone the rest of what happened. Tennessee got lucky in my opinion.
Could have been better D... if F5 was not in the way.. F2 should move at the end a step to the right and start to tag the trail... knowing F1 is standing at home... force the runners into your plan.. still.. no run scored, can't say bad D just .. it could be better.
Terrible defense. At first, the catcher did what he was supposed to do. When the runner from 2nd runs to 3rd and occupies 3rd base. The catcher is supposed to run the runner coming home, all the way back to 3rd base, so that there are now two people on 3rd base. You then tag the trail runner. While both runners are on 3rd, if the trail runner leaves 3rd to go back to 2nd before the tag is made (like what happens in this situation), then the catcher starts a rundown in between 2nd and 3rd. The problem in this situation was that the catcher got scared and was afraid to create a rundown between 2nd and 3rd.
Note at 1:45 that #44 does a nice job of avoiding an obstruction call... and then unfortunately just stands there, which would likely lead to obstruction on the catcher if he then threw, because he would have no place to go to avoid the runner from third now trying to advance.
Third base runner makes no effort to protect an out. I think it starts off with bad base running. 1:10 - all catcher had to do was throw the ball to third baseman and get an easy out. Is this a good base running plan? In my opinion, it's dumb. As you insinuated it may have been intended--sure looks like it. Having said that i think it was irresponsible on Tennessee's part seeing that the game was that close. If it's my team that's an easy out at third leaving a 1st and 3rd situation with a potential double play to get me out of the inning. But that's me. If it's my team, he's throwing the ball 100% not running him back to base. The blame must be placed solely on catcher. Hey, it happens. Learn from your mistake is all.
This may actually be bad base running and high IQ defense. The defense prevented a run from scoring, while the base runners all had to retreat. Is it an ideal looking play? No. But no runs scored.
On defending the play, the only step that was likely overlooked was the pitcher should have run hard at the lead base runner instead of making the quick throw home.
The weird thing from non-baseball people, is why they ever just have 2 dudes standing in the bag in a rundown scenario. I guess you're guaranteed someone on 3rd?
@aFREEsportsbettingSYSTEM Well, sure But I'm comparing it to this often seem scenario. Where they have 2 guys just standing on the bag at 3rd. And neither one of them usually tries to go anywhere. The defender with the ball then does that funny looking series of back and forth tags on the 2 base runners doubled up. Like, I am sure ONE of you is out!
@@drebk my other reply disappeared, not sure what I said. But yeah, I think usually the feeling is doing what theses guys did would fail anyway. So they do tend to accept it as a checkmate type position and take an out.
I hope you are joking. 1 run game in the 7th inning. On what 99.999% of the time would have resulted in the runner at third being out, or the runner from second being out for being on the bag at the same time as the other runner. Giving up a run by not going home with that grounder should be immediate loss of scholarship.
We will never know, but what if the pitcher took a few steps directly towards the runner coming from 3rd before throwing. Typically this move freezes the runner and allows the rest of the team to move into position. The pitcher then has the option to throw to home or third. Just a few steps to shorten the running lane would make a huge difference in defending against this tactic.
Just force the lead runner into a rundown. Now, two outs with runners in the same spot as before.
About the only good option left with hindsight helping. Think the catcher did well by going conservative though.
Exactly!
No excuse for not getting the lead runner out.
My thought as well. They seem to have decent positioning to execute it, should be easy enough.
I agree…they do have a double play in order now with bases loaded but, agree the third baseman should been in position to catch and make that out at third.
The shortstop made the mistake of following R2 all the way to 3rd base. He needs to be about 30 feet off the 3rd base bag. That way when R3 retreats to 3rd and R2 takes off back to 2nd, the catcher has a quick throw to SS for a tag out. At least that's the way we practice it.
catcher should have just flipped it to the shortstop as they ran back, 1:20 before the trail runner even thought about leaving.
Then the runner who reached 3rd stays there and the other one probably scores.
But, isn't the 2BM covering second?
Catcher tried to fake the runner at 3rd and pick him off when he went for the run at home. I think that was the smartest play, the runner didn't take the bait.
Catcher is responsible for third base. If third baseman was further off third, towards 2nd, catcher would throw to him, tag runner from 2nd, then run towards hitter, to get double play. Pitcher would be covering home.
Catcher needs to focus the first tag on the trailing runner. Front runner has nowhere to go and only one of them can be protected by the bag.
I think it’s possible that both teams reacted in the best possible manner.
Agreed. Only possible mistake was catcher not being quick/aggressive enough on tagging both runners. Both teams played it quite well otherwise. Priority in these circumstances is to avoid giving up tying run, which they did
Yeah that pump fake to first tells me he knew exactly what was happening and like peeps say his job was to be more agressive on the chasedown
Youd be wrong. Defense screwed up. They got greedy and managed to get zero outs. Players at this level arent going to step off the base incorrectly anyway.
I would say this is good base running though, but the defense definitely messed up, probably coached incorrectly on it, but they did not react in “the best possible manner” if they had they would have gotten the lead runner and possibly kept the runner off 2nd as well.
No. The defense had an easy out (runner who began the play at third base) if they had forced a rundown.
@@vedere2 Absolutely right, get easy out with the lead runner in the pickle, then look for other opportunities.
That is a super smart play. I'm surprised that you don't see it more. The worst thing that can happen is the offense gets one out, but they have a chance of scoring a run. That's a good trade off.
Great base running, error was on catcher for not throwing to third for the tag on lead runner. Catcher got greedy looking for two ended up with none.
One in the hand is worth more than two in the bush.
I don't think the catcher was looking for two outs. He saw the runner headed back to third, where another runner was already standing. Most of the time, that's an easy out with no throw. It' not greed - it's why make a throw if you don't have to?
But at some point, he should have made a throw. Toss it to the 3B once he's standing in front of that trail runner - he'll be in a better position to tag the runner if he retreats. Maybe tell the SS that he doesn't have to immediately go ALL THE WAY over to third. Maybe the 2B should have moved towards that retreating runner to shorten the throw. I dunno - throw it to 2B or even 1B...but at some point, throw it. Sure, the lead runner might break for the plate, but it looks like the pitcher is covering home here, so they had that taken care of. The runners may be hoping for a wild throw, but the defenders should trust themselves enough to throw accurately.
@@camicawber Good point, why throw if you don't have to. Us monday morning quarterbacking is easy. I don't think all the possibilities you went through actually went through the catchers mind. Your right be confident in fundamentals like throwing and catching. I still think the correct play was get lead runner out in the pickel. Manager and coaches would not fault you for that. After that out there may have been more to be had. Yes pitcher did a good job getting to plate to cover if necessary. I'd like to be a fly on the wall watching game films with the coach on this one.
Agreed. This shows practice and deep thinking. I am going to reread my rulebook right now!
The way it's presented sounds complicated, but it's not.
The simple play here is to complete the run-down out of the runner at 3rd base. Forget about the other runners. As a rule, you want to get the lead runner out. That's the best defensive leverage available since the defense has the numbers to run a textbook run-down.
If you can then catch the other runner between 2nd and 3rd base, complete that run-down out, and so on.
If you've already run him back to third, you've played into their hands and now you'll need to bait him into trying to score by throwing behind the other runner at 2nd. Once you pulled the 3b runner off far enough, then throw home to begin the pickle with him and complete the out.
The goal is to always get at least 1 out on an infield hit. The preference is to get the lead runner to prevent a run from scoring.
Def feels like high IQ baserunning. The best thing you can do is force your opponent to think on the fly, especially if it's something you've practiced. It can lead to an unforced error that you can capitalize on. If the defense ever throws the ball, the offense can try to score, leading to a repeat of the sequence, which only the defense can break by either letting the runners retreat to load the bases and one out or try to get the lead runner in a rundown and execute it perfectly for an out, ending up with runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.
You defend it by just by normally handling it as you would any other rundown instead of relying on a 2nd man being on 3rd.
My pet peeve is defending a rundown with your keyster over the base. You need to pinch in as the other defender forces the runner back to your base, you can't stand there at the base. That's how they could have gotten an out on the lead runner with one more throw. Once the lead runner made it back to third, they could have defended it by having the second baseman pinch in and take the much shorter throw from the catcher near where the SS plays for a quick tag. Less ideal, but once the middle runner made it back to second, the first baseman could have pinched in to where the trail runner stopped between first and second for a shorter throw and quick tag
This is exactly right.
Exactly wrong. In a run down situation fielders should receive the throw directly in front of the base and the fielder with the ball should ideal force the runner to retreat and dive back into the base. If the catcher did this initially the lead runner would be out at third. If the 3rd baseman had pinched in and been in the base path before he received the throw in would be interference and everyone is safe. Pinching in in a run down is a poor fundamental play that is often miss thought and causes poorly executed rundowns.
If this is something to be defended, then the outfielders should come in to allow shorter throws to be made. It would be easier to cut off a throw, and, for instance, have a short throw that can then be redirected to another place where the runner could be tagged out.
The outfielders need to be backing up the bases in case of a missed throw or rundown.
@@FadkinsDiet Another good use for the sightseers in this video.
This is exactly how to defend this baserunning play by Tennessee: Treat the lead runner on 3rd as you normally would have if he was the ONLY runner on base.
In an ordinary rundown/pickle your primary objective as the defense is to tag the runner out before he can advance to the next base or home, OR make it safely back to the bag he got picked off from. The mistake here by Georgia that they got "tricked" into making by Tennessee was to relax the cardinal rule of executing a rundown -- to not allow the lead runner to get back to 3rd. In this instance the catcher needed to make a throw to the 3rd baseman to keep the lead runner trapped off the base and keep running at him with the ball til he's exhausted/gets tagged out, and isn't interfered with, basic rundown execution.
Huge credit to whoever it was on the Tennessee side who devised this base running trick for this exact scenario, to steal away what ordinarily should be an easy groundout at 1st.
As Antonelli baseball points out Tennessee took advantage of the (faulty) thought process that says you don't have to treat the lead runner in this instance as if he's a solo runner in a pickle because you can just let him retreat to the previous bag. Not against Tennesse you can't (or any other teams who now see this!)
Brewers did something similar to the Cubs - twice. Lorenzo Cain was one of the runners both times. Trail runner who went back to first on the 2018 play, and the lead runner who went back to second, and let his trail runner know nobody was covering first in 2020. I propose this tactic be named 'raising Cain' in Lorenzo's honor.
Finally! Someone actually ran the yo-yo successfully! We practice this every single time we did bass running drills in college, but every single time it happened in a game kids forgot to do it. Love that it actually worked for someone!
Love that you put a name on it! "The Yoyo"
I'll remember that!
Poor fielding. The 3rd baseman was behind the runner. He didn't put himself in good position for the rundown. Should have gotten the runner and be left with 2 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd
Love this example! (As I do all of your examples.) It looks like the Third Baseman was, somewhat, obstructing the catcher from making the expected tags. It’s hard to know what the catcher was thinking. Was the catcher distracted by the Third Baseman’s position? Or was the catcher unsure as what to do with both runners on the bag?
Shouldn’t 2nd base runner have been out when he and 3rd base runner were on 3rd at the same time?
No, that's completely legal. The trailing runner is out if tagged while both are on the base though
Catcher should have 1) attempted a rundown 2) at least tagged the trail runner 3) last ditch attempted a run down for the trail runner going back to 2nd, but I at least agree with his final indecision to not throw to 1st.
Very thoughtful and quality coaching on coordinating the situation on the offensive side. Terrible coaching or decision making for the catcher. As a ex-collegiate catcher, I'm not sure if I would have instinctively reacted in a better way as I was never proactively taught how to progressively process though a situation close to this. It's also quite interesting how well rundown confusion and risks can be so effective at any level below tope tier D1 ball.
To defend this, the shortstop needed to remain halfway between 3rd and 2nd, or the second baseman should occupy that same place if the shortstop wants to back up 3rd. The catcher can then throw a short one to his player for the out between 2nd and 3rd. This may also hold the runner at 3rd. If not, there will be a play down the 3rd baseline with the pitcher covering home. Could get a double play on the double rundown.
Very good tutorial. For both offense and defense. Was anyone covering home when they ran the runner back the third. If so I would have thrown to second. Both teams definitely kept their heads in the game
Yes, you can see in the first 4 seconds - the pitcher covers home.
Likely the pitcher 0:04
The pitcher is still near home when the other runners are retreating at 0:11.
No, the defense blew the opportunity to get the lead runner out in an easy rundown.
@@vedere2 True
If I was the catcher. I would do the exact thing this catcher did.
Run the runner back to third. Hopeful get an easy out.
Let the runner go back to second.
Bluff a throw to first. Hold the runner at third.
*Why??*
Pitcher has to cover home. Is the catchers pitcher a good fielder??
*Advantage to let runners go back to base with no throw??*
No free run. Infielders can set up for a double play with the next batter.
Hopefully you wouldn't have assumed theses guys were going to just concede an out like this guy did. And I'd say try for the out, the pitcher catches about a dozen throws made to him every inning, it ain't that hard. I'd be more worried about accurate throws, but still, you should get an out here. Who needs a DP if you have two outs already.
I grew up on baseball in the '50s. About the only thing you heard then was the tv or radio commentator telling you "And around comes the right arm and in comes the pitch." And, there was no little league in New York City or other sources of sophisticated baseball analysis. Oh how I wish we'd have had Antonelli back then!
Start it over. But don't run the runner all the way back to third. Get the lead runner. Instead of bases loaded with 1 out. You have 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. It would be the same as the batter striking out. As it was 2nd and 3rd with 1out. It's now 2nd and 3rd with 2outs.
The theory is 99% of the time running the runner all the way back to an occupied bag is going to result in an out without you needing to make a throw. That's why it's taught that way.
If you throw the ball to the 3B as if it's any other rundown, you risk an error that results in a run. If you run him all the way back, as Matt said, you're usually going to be able to tag both runners, get at least the trailing runner out, and maybe get 2 if the lead runner makes the mistake of leaving the bag.
Runners are also coached that if the runner ahead of you is in a rundown, take their base and stay there. What Tennessee did is unusual and it would have been a mistake for Georgia to do anything different than they did.
@@marchingknight11 obviously what Georgia did didn't work.
Honestly, great job by the Tennessee coaching staff. They have clearly practiced situational rundowns like this, and it pays off here.
Bad Defense by catcher. This play was enabled by the catcher because he stopped running as he approached 3rd base. The correct play is to run full speed towards 3rd and he would easily tag out the runner running back to 2nd with his momentum.
Furthermore, if the runner standing at 3rd perceives there is a chance that the runner running from home to 3rd could be tagged out, he stands getting doubled up if he starts running back to 2nd. But the runner standing at 3rd can safely disengage to extend the run down because the catcher stopped running.
Why doesn’t the catcher throw the ball to third and get lead runner out? Ignore the runner on third and the batter runner now on second.
Could be that they were caught off guard, but maybe that was their plan going into the play. They might not want to risk a rundown with the score as it was. One dropped ball and maybe two runs score. And the play would become rather complicated for the fielders if the runner on third tried to retreat during the play.
Bingo. Defense blew it.
Did you not listen to the commentary? Antonelli said that the defensive play here was to run the lead back to 3rd then get a tag on the trailing runner and hopefully pick up a double play if you can get the lead runner off guard as well. This is just excellent coaching by the offense because the trailing runner knew the exact moment when to leave 3rd base to avoid the out and force a decision by the catcher. The failure was the the man on 2nd was playing too far off the bag to get the out so the catcher saw his 2nd option was gone which broke down the play.
@@johnhoover1126Nope. Catcher blew it by not getting the easy out (lead runner) first. Any other outs (due to bad baserunning) would have been an added bonus.
@@johnhoover1126 I heard him and didn’t think he fully explained what he would expect to be the best option. It probably depends on the level of players…at this level, running a hot box on a runner clearly trapped between 3rd and home is an easy out. That would mean two outs with runners on 2 and 3…. Instead now they have bases loaded with one out.
Feels like the best way to defend is exactly what happened. They didn't get an out, but they did prevent a score. If the catcher had tried to throw it to 2nd or 1st, it removes the threat to the runner on 3rd to then attempt to score again. Better to chase him back to 3rd and if everyone else retreats safely, so be it. Try to produce a double play with the next batter to end the inning.
Yea as a base runner you are taught that if you find yourself in a rundown to stay in the rundown as long as you can if you are at third base like this runner does. But also if you are caught in a rundown to run along the baseline because your making the defense to make a choice. That is to make the defense to throw this ball over you and what might happen is that the catcher in this instance would either hit you in the back with the ball or he will throw the ball away. So Tennessee did what your suppose to do if you are in a rundown and so the defense did what you are taught to do. That is run the runner back to the base that he came from and so it was smart on Georgia's part not to force a throw and make a mistake
The pump-fake by the catcher seemed to be good choice. As you said, a difficult situation to defend. Never ever seen anything like that before! Thanks, Matt
If this were professionals, I'd be inclined to say the catcher should throw back behind the lead runner to force the run down. Pros should be able to execute a run down. In college, where this was, I would hope the fielders have practiced run downs enough to be confident in their run down execution. If they aren't, this was the right play. Get the runner back to third and accept bases loaded with one out. In high school, I'd say this was the correct play. The run down is perhaps 50/50 on execution at best, particularly with runners who are ready to force several throws.
Brilliant baserunning, and a good choice by the catcher not to throw the ball. Bases loaded, one out, sets up a force at home and/or a number of double-play possibilities.
I'd prefer an out.
Smart. Never seen this but I love it!
Tennessees trail runner (R2) does a good job by getting to 3B & making sure that R3 touches 3B before trying to retreat back to 2nd. Ive seen times (too many) where R2 leaves 3B too soon. R3 gets tagged out and R2 hung out to dry (Double Play and kill rally).
On Defense, C has to sprint and try to get (tag) R3 runner just before R2 leaves 3B. Good teams will usually leave R2 on 3B conceding R3. 2 outs with hope of R3 & R2 ( 1:21 B getting to 2B. If not 1st & 3rd w/ 2out .
To stop what Tenn is trying to. @ 1:21 coachsaakee's point to where the SS should be (vs going all the way to 3B???) is how I was taught and i make sure my SS knows this!
Great example of a situation that will occur if you have or going against an aggressive & good baserunning team.
a smart catcher might tag both guys standing on third base, if he's quick enough, R3 might think he's the one that is out and head for t he dugout at which point he can be tagged for the third out.
I originally thought both runners couldnt' be on the base at the same time but after a quick check i found out they can but only the lead runner would be considered safe. The catcher made the mistake of not tagging both runners. While both runners were on third was your best chance to get an out was right at 1:46.
Yeah, but no one is out just because they're both standing there. They have to actually tag whichever runner doesn't have the rights to that base.
The shortstop and second baseman are both to blame for not giving the catcher a target to throw to second base. The runner is between the catcher and the second baseman, the runner and third baseman block the catcher in one direction while the shortstop blocks the catcher in another. The catcher is stuck in the middle of a mini-scrum with no way to target a throw to second base, while the second baseman stands there like a lump making no move at all to improve his visibility to the catcher.
What about getting the ball behind the runner that has to retreat back to second? Maybe to SS about 20 feet off the bag. Once he has the ball walk him to third and tag him. He would be out regardless even if on third
As a baserunner, I would be looking for an opportunity to initiate contact with a fielder in the base path not holding the ball.
What happened with the next batter? Georgia should’ve just concentrated on the runner at third and try to keep him from getting back to the bag. Would’ve been 2 outs with men on first and second. They did the right thing by not letting the run score a fall behind another run.
The problem is the 3B player did not cooperate with the catcher on the run down between home and third. That runner should have been an easy out.
Maybe if the SS would’ve stayed 1/3 of the way instead of going to 3B, the catcher could have flipped the ball to him so that the SS can tag R2 on his way back to 2B, and still be in a position to throw home if R3 takes off. Idk, just my thoughts.
My HS practiced this offense and how to defend it seemed like every week back in the early 2000’s
Good base running and good defense. I believe the catcher knew that if he tried to make a move to 2nd or 1st then there would be a good chance of 3rd scoring. Not optimal but the catcher chose the least worse outcome.
Was there a "good chance" of the runner scoring? He comes to a dead stop at 3B, which means that if he tries to score, he's got 90 feet to cover with absolutely no momentum. Home plate is covered. Unless these guys throw really slow or that runner is freakishly fast, they can easily make two throws (to 2B and then home or to 1B and then home) before the runner scores.
@@camicawber Probably not but if the throw is off then that increases his odds of going home. I can't remember but was the pitcher covering home?
@@daifeichu The pitcher was covering home. And I get that you'd rather not make any unnecessary throws, but these guys are D1 players. They're in the SEC. Don't make any throws you don't have to, but they should've been confident in their ability to make throws when they need to.
@@camicawber Ya, he should have had the confidence to make a throw to 2nd or 1st but the voice in his said to keep it. They're D1 but pros make mistakes as well.
SS should have stopped 2/3 the way to 3rd base. Then, throw to him to tag out the middle runner. Pitcher is at home to defend home when the 3rd base runner takes off to home.
Catcher needed to throw it to 2nd. No reason not to with the pitcher covering home. Short easy throw. He hesitated and lost. Super smart play by TN, but from the wave back to the runner at 1st didn't look like it was absolutely intentional.
Nice explanation!
If the batter gets all the way to third and then goes back to first, how do they score the hit? Is it just a single? Or is it a double and then a reverse steal, like that one where a runner on second thought he got picked off, started running to the dugout, and then went to first so he wouldn't get out?
What's the rule when 2 runners are at (ie,., TOUCHING) a base? Is it that the more advanced runner is safe there while the back-runner is not?
If so, then shouldn't the catcher just tag the baserunner who just came to 3rd base from 2nd?? That way, he gets the out, AND he's close enough that the runner at 3rd can't take off for home. Just let the batter (who's at 1st base) take 2nd base; who cares. We'd be in the exact same situation (men on 2nd & 3rd), except there'd now be another out and no one scores.
I mean..the pitcher is covering home. The catcher should have taken off in pursuit of the runner going back to 2nd, ready to throw home if necessary. This is EASILY defended to at least get one out. The best the offense should hope for is having runners on second and third with 2 outs here.
watch the replay again and tell me how the catcher is going to outrun that guy... nope. Good runner 15-20 mph, half decent throw 40-60 mph. Throw the ball.
The catcher could’ve gotten the lead runner if he threw it, or if he wanted to be very conservative, he should’ve been focused on tagging the trail runner the moment he was in arm length reach. He did neither and then it became way, way more difficult.
Still great team base running.
The catcher, third baseman, and shortstop were all confused. The catcher would have demonstrated super high IQ had he curled around the third baseman to cut off the middle base runner. At that point, the lead could have had to run back to home or one of the runners would have been out. I double that returning to home would have worked out well for him.
I thought once the advancing runner touches the next base they can’t go back.
Well, you now know that is not true.
Missed opportunity to tag middle runner off third as he initially comes off, only chance and that's gotta be a quick reaction
A run down means throw ahead of the runner if he had toss to third base ahead of the runner we wouldn't be talking about it that catcher wanted to do everything himself and thats what happen dont let the runner go back you had the advantage
I would have thrown to 2nd then 2b man to home or first, try for the double play to end the inning
It's a shame we have no footage of Willie Mays running bases in odd situations like this
It is a forgotten aspect of a wonderful player's brilliant all-around game
I actually think both teams did pretty damn well. Kudos to the Catcher for not panicking and committing an error.
Bad D... their objective was to get the lead runner, otherwise would've thrown to 1B, but they needed to protect the run, but Catcher didn't have anyone to throw to in position to get the lead runner, so no out. The 2nd out would've been gravy if it happened, but now you're left with nothing, and bases loaded on a chirp of a hit. Surprised this is how it went down, but hey, have seen crazier stuff.
he had two guys at third base he could have thrown it to. Two.
Is this scored as a base hit? Fielder's choice and error? Single? Double? Single and error? I guess most likely just a single - runners don't advance.
When the pitcher FIELDED the ball he made a CHOICE. Hence the name FIELDER'S CHOICE.
The fielder had a choice. Get it?
They should have just gotten the lead runner in a rundown, which should have been an easy out. Result: the same situation as before the play, but with one more out.
Matt, my take…..the problem in this scenario is all on Georgia. Kudos forTN for practicing this……I think the err is on the 5. 5 should have broke towards home plate so as to execute a proper rundown (albeit somewhat backasswards) and direct that runner back to the plate where 1 is covering. That’s the best defense for this scenario……2 did all he could, throwing to first woulda done nothing but exacerbate an already dicked up rundown.
Georgia played it perfectly. They either get a double play by any 2 bases or the force out at home. Georgia's catcher tried to fake the runner but the coach helped the runner out. It's not bad defense or good base running here. The true thing is bad umpiring because Tennessee had 2 runners so the force out is the runner returning to third base and that's what we should be saying.
@@chrisjones3791 nope….you are dead wrong on all counts. Two runners can occupy the same base at the same time, only one is entitled to the base and that’s the runner that already occupied that base, but they still need to be tagged. That was an easy out at home in a rundown, easy peasy, any team of worth should be able to execute that and come away with an out and runners at 2nd and third…..
If I’m the catcher I feel like an idiot. He should have thrown the ball to third when the lead runner was 5-6 feet from the bag. I do agree with the catcher on not throwing across the field to first though.
If SS cuts off the running lane, the catcher can throw to him. He shouldn't be in that triangle at 3B
Great breakdown of this. Need some benny hill music lol.
It was a passive move by the catcher. Knowing they’re both at third he needs to charge in and tag them both! He was kinda confused 😢🤷🏻
yeah, I think he thought they were just going to give up and get tagged.
That was done to perfection.
Runner on 3rd after going back should have went home again purposely running into the catcher who didn't have the ball any longer. He would have drawn an obstruction call and been awarded home.
3rd baseman and SS caught picking their nuts
Catcher screws up big time by not knowing who he should tag. This also reflects bad coaching in having a catcher who doesn't know this stuff.
At 1:20 the third baseman is standing ‘behind’ the runner. Not sure what he was thinking, but I think the catcher had no clear throw, if he had, they probably would have gotten the lead runner.
Bad Defense. Although you want to chase the lead runner back to the base for a possible double play, you always wanna just play the trap with the lead runner because in cases like this you would: a) end up with this situation where you get no one out. or b) end up playing the trap on anyone besides the lead runner with your back facing the lead runner, giving him the opportunity to run towards the next base without you seeing.
Always take the out when it’s given to you…
How was this scored? FC or hit?
obviously fielder's choice, didn't you literally see the fielder make a choice?
The fielder made a choice. See?
The catcher and third baseman should have ignored the runner standing on third and conducted the run down to get the lead runner.
Bad defense need to get that Run down. Great baserunning
The runner trying to score from third on an easy ground ball to the pitcher was bizarre enough let alone the rest of what happened. Tennessee got lucky in my opinion.
This literally just happened the other night with the dodgers with shohei ohtani but ohtani did not go back to second.
Could have been better D... if F5 was not in the way.. F2 should move at the end a step to the right and start to tag the trail... knowing F1 is standing at home... force the runners into your plan.. still.. no run scored, can't say bad D just .. it could be better.
This is genius!
The third base man has to get the ball from the catcher and tag the runner out.
Terrible defense. At first, the catcher did what he was supposed to do. When the runner from 2nd runs to 3rd and occupies 3rd base. The catcher is supposed to run the runner coming home, all the way back to 3rd base, so that there are now two people on 3rd base. You then tag the trail runner. While both runners are on 3rd, if the trail runner leaves 3rd to go back to 2nd before the tag is made (like what happens in this situation), then the catcher starts a rundown in between 2nd and 3rd. The problem in this situation was that the catcher got scared and was afraid to create a rundown between 2nd and 3rd.
Note at 1:45 that #44 does a nice job of avoiding an obstruction call... and then unfortunately just stands there, which would likely lead to obstruction on the catcher if he then threw, because he would have no place to go to avoid the runner from third now trying to advance.
High IQ, for sure. Well played.
Catcher pump-fake would work 90% of the time. Good baseball
Don’t run him all the way back to 3rd. Throw the ball early enough to tag him at 3rd.
Third base runner makes no effort to protect an out. I think it starts off with bad base running.
1:10 - all catcher had to do was throw the ball to third baseman and get an easy out. Is this a good base running plan? In my opinion, it's dumb.
As you insinuated it may have been intended--sure looks like it. Having said that i think it was irresponsible on Tennessee's part seeing that the game was that close. If it's my team that's an easy out at third leaving a 1st and 3rd situation with a potential double play to get me out of the inning. But that's me. If it's my team, he's throwing the ball 100% not running him back to base. The blame must be placed solely on catcher. Hey, it happens. Learn from your mistake is all.
I believe the next play was a grand slam
This may actually be bad base running and high IQ defense. The defense prevented a run from scoring, while the base runners all had to retreat. Is it an ideal looking play? No. But no runs scored.
On defending the play, the only step that was likely overlooked was the pitcher should have run hard at the lead base runner instead of making the quick throw home.
The offense turned an out into a baserunner.
Shortstop needs to camp out halfway to trap the trailing runner. He is useless standing next to 3B.
Go Vols!
Catcher should of tossed the ball to 3rd baseman who could tag second base guy or runner going toward him. Short low risk toss
Tried to grab too many cookies from the cookie jar. Catcher should’ve thrown to 3rd and got the lead runner out.
Two
The weird thing from non-baseball people, is why they ever just have 2 dudes standing in the bag in a rundown scenario.
I guess you're guaranteed someone on 3rd?
That would be better than standing on second while they tag that other guy out, don't you think?
@aFREEsportsbettingSYSTEM Well, sure
But I'm comparing it to this often seem scenario. Where they have 2 guys just standing on the bag at 3rd. And neither one of them usually tries to go anywhere.
The defender with the ball then does that funny looking series of back and forth tags on the 2 base runners doubled up.
Like, I am sure ONE of you is out!
@@drebk my other reply disappeared, not sure what I said. But yeah, I think usually the feeling is doing what theses guys did would fail anyway. So they do tend to accept it as a checkmate type position and take an out.
@@aFREEsportsbettingSYSTEM 👍 Thanks for the explanation! Makes sense
Two runners on the same bag one gets tagged Lead runner is out
No, in this video, if both runners are on third base, the trail runner would be out when he is tagged.
unless you are forced to go forward, you can always go back.
Pitcher just needed to concede the run for the sure out at first.
I hope you are joking. 1 run game in the 7th inning. On what 99.999% of the time would have resulted in the runner at third being out, or the runner from second being out for being on the bag at the same time as the other runner. Giving up a run by not going home with that grounder should be immediate loss of scholarship.
Oh no.
I thought once you touch a base. You couldn't go back. Learned something new.
bad d obv
Blame it on the nerds