We always get the render test etc.. Depending on the project 2 minutes faster on a single video render is not a huge deal etc.. One piece I don't see often enough is real-time performance. What's it like editing a very complex project in Premiere on one machine vs the other? What's it like working on an AE project with 100 layers etc.. Once I hit render on a project I walk away and grab a coffee, what truly impacts my workflow is the live editing portion. I'd love to see a real-time comparison through that workflow instead!
This. I just want to know what my real time workflow is. I can just send my stuff to the render farm and I’m good. I just want to see how is the playback on an AE file with a lot of compositions, trapcode, video copilot stuff all over the place.
Most software including Blender doesn’t make use of multiple GPUs while working in the viewport, so the difference is nil. The only one I’m aware of that does is Omniverse Create by Nvidia. AE and Premiere doesn’t even make much use of a single GPU I believe. Due to its streamlined architecture, my M1 Mac often does better performance in those apps than my other computer with an RTX3090 GPU.
I think the difference wouldn't be so noticable, assuming you have several NvME drives with all your apps and sources spread out, and sufficient ram to load it all into. As others have said, AE and premiere can only make so much use of GPU and CPU cores. Sometimes faster CPU clockspeed is the winner, which the XEON processors and AMD Threadrippers are not known for. 3D apps pretty much all scale linearly with cores and GPU. As to render times...even 15 secs/frame can translate to a fat lot of time for testing out a full res preview. That's a long time to wait when you're just trying stuff out. Farms come later. Also, unreal engine and virtual production.
Crazy to see this. This channel got me into film in highschool and 7 years later I just got my first job at HP as a video creative! Hope you enjoy the product and thank you for all the videos throughout the years :)
I haven't worked with a Fury, but HP's other server and workstation cases are super nice to work with. A bit like how the cheese grater Mac Pros were. Everything has a nice spot, minimal if any tools required for most maintenance, and it all feels super solid. These things exist to get work done, and they do it well!
Would be lovely to see how it slices through Davinci Resolve timelines. Adobe programs suck at using GPU power, but Davinci should put all 4 of them at 100% in renders. Probably you could playback real time speed with heavy effects, noise reduction etc
Doing a followup video showing the benefits of 1 vs 2 vs 3 vs 4 vs 5 GPUs will be eye-opening. You'll find its diminishing returns - especially after 4.
My current highest-end computer (I have multiple systems) that I bought more than a year ago is an AMD R9-5950X 16-Core, ASUS ROG X570 Crosshair, 128GB DDR4, ASUS ROG RTX-3090. It does almost everything that I want to do, I just need a lot more RAM for the software and projects that I use (TerreSculptor, Unreal Engine 5, Autodesk Max, etc). So my next computer, I'm just waiting for the hardware to show up in Canada, is going to probably be an Intel Xeon W7-2475X 20-Core, ASUS WS W790, 512GB DDR5 (Expandable to 2TB), ASUS RTX-3090 (I don't require the 4000 series right now, maybe an RTX-4090ti upgrade eventually). I would prefer the Intel W3400 series with its 4TB maximum memory, but that much DDR5 RAM these days will be about $38400 US just in memory, and I do have a budget to stay within.
That was a tough ‘sell’ … i think you did the best you could. I do wonder if film riot will ever go back to videos about making films. Im not talking about ‘diy’ film making , just film making. So many videos of after effects tutorials that will apply to a very limited audience .
You're very fascinated how many GPUs has this PC, but only few softwares / games using more than one GPU. Years before we had more power from SLI, but today developers not write programs for more GPUs. It's same like multiple CPUs on one motherboard.
@@beestings22 no no.. I try it. Programs from Adobe and most other editors don't understand multiple processors. You can turn on this feature, but different is very small. It's sad, because if developers optimize these programs for this method, we can have awesome power for rendering or preview. 😔
@@beestings22 maybe, but Blackmagic I really don't like (only cameras - is best), because these codecs for export video are veeeery bad. If I see what happens h264 option with video... oh god 😀 DaVinci better understand RAW, but codecs are really bad. And you need more RAM for this editor.
@@dygmore not sure what you mean by the codecs are bad, but personally I’ve had great luck with the h.264 and QuickTime renderer, it renders about the same quality of compression as premiere to my eyes and is usually faster.
To be fair, it's probably better for a production house to spend the big bucks on a dedicated render server rather than giving their individual artists supped up workstations like this. Time spent rendering is not time spent creating, so it's better to offload that processing to a non-workstation system while the artist moves on to the next shot.
I bet the problem is u constantly busting a fat 🥜 on ur pc every night on the hub. instead aim higher and blast ur monitor like a normal person . Little Windex and it's all good
I don't know, but I remember them doing a video about it when they got it. Also HP if I remember rightly. Of course, they might have changed/upgraded it since then.
after creating a 5s blender render and watching it cook all night long, it would feel like I'm in the future to just hit render and be done in minutes. One day... one day. Or maybe Puget can make a system with 4 GPUs as well?
If those 4 GPU's are 5k a piece, the only thing special about them is the vram which all of our tests didn't utilize. Would either need a real 4k blender render, or some ML/AI task like Deepfake.
On a serious note… how do multiple GPUs hook up? I assume only one can connect to a monitor… are the others automatically linked through the mother board?
Huh.. so, what does it mean when Blender crashes after 2 seconds of starting the render? Not a good sign, but I did notice the notes of the benchmark project mention it is a CPU test, so the 4 GPUs aren't even being used in that example.
in my experience the first frame of an animation always takes longer on blender, another good comparison would be to render out 100 frames and see the overall difference
Thank you very much. I've always been curious about workstation performance. Looking at the performance of Flame on Linux OS, it showed very good performance. However, there was no way to know how good the performance would be on the Windows OS. make it in Korea with the highest specifications, it will cost about 38,000 dollars. So I had a lot of trouble. Performance concerns are gone now, but price is still an issue...
In these tests 2-4x faster. Let's say I run a 3D animation business and I can get each employee one of these machines and get even 200% productivity. I can get twice as much done for that investment or I can cut my staff in half and get the same amount of work done.
So... 3-4x faster for 6-10x more expensive? I'm fine with capping my workhorse in the 3-5k range, thank you. And I have das fast trick called 4x M2 NVMEs in RAID 0
Yupp it's pretty great, with 4 GPUs, and even it has 2 terrabytes of RAM, and 96 terrabytes of Storage but still it lacks when it comes to work like GIS (Geographic Information System) like, I'm the kind of person not so used to play games on pc, but my work requires loads of heavy tasks like climate modeling, disasters simulations over hundreds of thousands of kilometers area, along with 3D rendering, like dealing with terrabytes kf satellite imageries, mosaicing and processing them while using softwares like Unreal egine, ArcGIS Pro, AutoCad, Erdas Imagine, 6-7 further AI models running side by side and atleast 300 tabs of browser running all at the same time parellely on a single machine.... so yeah, this machine doesn't even come close to kind of work I usually do.
So, in essence, it's the equivalent to a fancy, expensive sportscar, as compared to your regular computer, a ...Kia(?). This has all kinds of fancy features, (AND FOUR GPUs!!!), while the regular computer just works. You can't begin to afford this new toy, but your regular computer is bought & paid for, and helps pay the bills. So, in conclusion. PRETTY!!! But, the tried and true still gets the job done, just not quite so fast, (again, FOUR GPUs!!!). 😂😂😅
We always get the render test etc.. Depending on the project 2 minutes faster on a single video render is not a huge deal etc.. One piece I don't see often enough is real-time performance. What's it like editing a very complex project in Premiere on one machine vs the other? What's it like working on an AE project with 100 layers etc.. Once I hit render on a project I walk away and grab a coffee, what truly impacts my workflow is the live editing portion. I'd love to see a real-time comparison through that workflow instead!
This. I just want to know what my real time workflow is. I can just send my stuff to the render farm and I’m good. I just want to see how is the playback on an AE file with a lot of compositions, trapcode, video copilot stuff all over the place.
Most software including Blender doesn’t make use of multiple GPUs while working in the viewport, so the difference is nil. The only one I’m aware of that does is Omniverse Create by Nvidia.
AE and Premiere doesn’t even make much use of a single GPU I believe. Due to its streamlined architecture, my M1 Mac often does better performance in those apps than my other computer with an RTX3090 GPU.
I think the difference wouldn't be so noticable, assuming you have several NvME drives with all your apps and sources spread out, and sufficient ram to load it all into. As others have said, AE and premiere can only make so much use of GPU and CPU cores. Sometimes faster CPU clockspeed is the winner, which the XEON processors and AMD Threadrippers are not known for. 3D apps pretty much all scale linearly with cores and GPU. As to render times...even 15 secs/frame can translate to a fat lot of time for testing out a full res preview. That's a long time to wait when you're just trying stuff out. Farms come later.
Also, unreal engine and virtual production.
aka HP, I volunteer as tribute to test this machine against mine, "LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE blah blah blah hahahah"
2nd 3rd 4th 5th this!
HP Fury: 30 seconds left
Meanwhile my computer: 3 Hours left and also still not responding
After Effects and Premiere can only utilize the GPU for certain effects and certain types of footage so that's why the discrepancy isn't greater.
Sounds like a good reason to use DaVinci resolve
Crazy to see this. This channel got me into film in highschool and 7 years later I just got my first job at HP as a video creative! Hope you enjoy the product and thank you for all the videos throughout the years :)
Kinda sad he didn't mentioned how many GPUs this PC has
At least 1☝️🤓
There's four of them, I think.
Bro did you watch the video? 😂
Huh?
More than you can afford
Nobody: "I just spent a ton on a new computer, will it make things a whole lot faster?"
Adobe: "no"
Well, it might make Premiere crash faster.
@@robwhitmore3040 😂😂
From the desktop, into Premiere and back to the desktop in record speed
@@robwhitmore3040 I felt this in my soul....
@@robwhitmore3040
If it’s as much as a new car, it better be as fast as lightning.
Watching you since 2013 ❤
How many gpu's and can it handle turbulent displacement?
$30,000
And the case looks like $25 case
I haven't worked with a Fury, but HP's other server and workstation cases are super nice to work with. A bit like how the cheese grater Mac Pros were. Everything has a nice spot, minimal if any tools required for most maintenance, and it all feels super solid. These things exist to get work done, and they do it well!
Next week on DIY Perks: How to build a 30,000$ Computer for only 200$ with added brass aestetics.
DUDE !!!!......you Can Control Planets with this !
Would be lovely to see how it slices through Davinci Resolve timelines.
Adobe programs suck at using GPU power, but Davinci should put all 4 of them at 100% in renders.
Probably you could playback real time speed with heavy effects, noise reduction etc
Of course...we gotta know what Ryan shelled out for his "beefy" system in comparison to the $30,000 system...
You are the king of complex after effects project a comparison between how Ur threadripper and this stacks will be golden
Doing a followup video showing the benefits of 1 vs 2 vs 3 vs 4 vs 5 GPUs will be eye-opening. You'll find its diminishing returns - especially after 4.
I'd like to hear the specs of Ryan's machine..
My current highest-end computer (I have multiple systems) that I bought more than a year ago is an AMD R9-5950X 16-Core, ASUS ROG X570 Crosshair, 128GB DDR4, ASUS ROG RTX-3090. It does almost everything that I want to do, I just need a lot more RAM for the software and projects that I use (TerreSculptor, Unreal Engine 5, Autodesk Max, etc). So my next computer, I'm just waiting for the hardware to show up in Canada, is going to probably be an Intel Xeon W7-2475X 20-Core, ASUS WS W790, 512GB DDR5 (Expandable to 2TB), ASUS RTX-3090 (I don't require the 4000 series right now, maybe an RTX-4090ti upgrade eventually). I would prefer the Intel W3400 series with its 4TB maximum memory, but that much DDR5 RAM these days will be about $38400 US just in memory, and I do have a budget to stay within.
That was a tough ‘sell’ … i think you did the best you could. I do wonder if film riot will ever go back to videos about making films. Im not talking about ‘diy’ film making , just film making. So many videos of after effects tutorials that will apply to a very limited audience .
You're very fascinated how many GPUs has this PC, but only few softwares / games using more than one GPU. Years before we had more power from SLI, but today developers not write programs for more GPUs. It's same like multiple CPUs on one motherboard.
This is very true for games, but there are a lot more use cases for someone who works in video. Still wish there was more benefit to it tho
@@beestings22 no no.. I try it. Programs from Adobe and most other editors don't understand multiple processors. You can turn on this feature, but different is very small. It's sad, because if developers optimize these programs for this method, we can have awesome power for rendering or preview. 😔
@@dygmore blackmagic softwares absolutely eat that shit up, highly recommend.
@@beestings22 maybe, but Blackmagic I really don't like (only cameras - is best), because these codecs for export video are veeeery bad. If I see what happens h264 option with video... oh god 😀 DaVinci better understand RAW, but codecs are really bad. And you need more RAM for this editor.
@@dygmore not sure what you mean by the codecs are bad, but personally I’ve had great luck with the h.264 and QuickTime renderer, it renders about the same quality of compression as premiere to my eyes and is usually faster.
Picard: THERE… ARE… FOUR GPU’S!!!
To be fair, it's probably better for a production house to spend the big bucks on a dedicated render server rather than giving their individual artists supped up workstations like this. Time spent rendering is not time spent creating, so it's better to offload that processing to a non-workstation system while the artist moves on to the next shot.
Not gonna lie, I'm in the middle of troubleshooting both of my PCs and this was some extra course salt in the wounds lol.
I bet the problem is u constantly busting a fat 🥜 on ur pc every night on the hub. instead aim higher and blast ur monitor like a normal person . Little Windex and it's all good
@Eric wtf haha that's some weird shit to say to a stranger lol.
The longest TH-cam/HP ad ever!
Just curious if anyone knows what the specs of the older machine are compared to the Fury?
I don't know, but I remember them doing a video about it when they got it. Also HP if I remember rightly. Of course, they might have changed/upgraded it since then.
OMG! I NEED/WANT ONE OF THOSE! Maybe I´ll start by buying the basic model and upgrading it little by little...
after creating a 5s blender render and watching it cook all night long, it would feel like I'm in the future to just hit render and be done in minutes. One day... one day. Or maybe Puget can make a system with 4 GPUs as well?
Thanks for this awesome review!
Can't wait to see that machine sell for 60 dollars in like 7 years
It won't 😂
@@TWCLOUDS18000I got the motherboard + 2 CPUs for $250.
My hero…. Great video as usual.😄👍🏽
I was surprised that the "Fury" has only one CPU, while the regular Z8 G5 has two CPUs.
If those 4 GPU's are 5k a piece, the only thing special about them is the vram which all of our tests didn't utilize. Would either need a real 4k blender render, or some ML/AI task like Deepfake.
Why no mention of WHAT gpus are installed? No mention of it anywhere in the video or on their website.
thats a really fancy space heater to be honest
What system specs are you using for VR? Also, why no unreal engine test :)
On a serious note… how do multiple GPUs hook up? I assume only one can connect to a monitor… are the others automatically linked through the mother board?
I love film riot
They are great with helping Aspiring filmmakers learn there craft
I think there are 4 GPUs, but I'm not quite sure
I'll check the math.
Huh.. so, what does it mean when Blender crashes after 2 seconds of starting the render? Not a good sign, but I did notice the notes of the benchmark project mention it is a CPU test, so the 4 GPUs aren't even being used in that example.
in my experience the first frame of an animation always takes longer on blender, another good comparison would be to render out 100 frames and see the overall difference
In just 2 years this computer will depreciate so badly
This computer is meant for media creation and is not meant for the average user. This is really a commercial product.
Yeah, we point that out at the end. Still fun to see it in action.
Please a tutorial of odin sight ACV
I must of missed it, did he mention the GPUs?
Massive point of diminishing returns it seems
In-house render farm ❤
Guys it really works, I checked.
Cool, I'll probably get one in 5 years
I have a 19 to 35 mm lens from Sigma if I get a 50 mm lens from a different brand would that affect my footage
Btw, you say your system is "beefy". What kinda stuff is inside (configuration). Can you please post a video comparing apples to apples.
Bro, i can't pay for It, i don't want It dawg
I feel this
There were multiple $200k dell precision workstations back in the day
A $30K computer both seems like an awful waste of money and something I would be drooling over every single day if I had one.
I can't believe I just watched a Film Riot video, and hated the editing... I'm confused... from everything...
Thank you very much. I've always been curious about workstation performance. Looking at the performance of Flame on Linux OS, it showed very good performance. However, there was no way to know how good the performance would be on the Windows OS. make it in Korea with the highest specifications, it will cost about 38,000 dollars. So I had a lot of trouble. Performance concerns are gone now, but price is still an issue...
$30k is crazyyyy
How many gpu's are there?
I'm not even allowed in the same room with that thing.
Wait how many gpus does it have?I missed it
It’s still a HP PC.
With the classroom, I have only one GPU, RTX 4090... render time 6.46 ... no need for 4 GPU's... just one.
for a price tag of 30k and shipped with 4 GPU's I don't think the rendering times across the board were impressively quicker
I have dream of the baby when I first saw it in a competition
What are the specs of your original computer?
HP: 4 GPUs
Adobe: Nope!
Octane, Redshift: Yes!
" There is 4 GPUs" is a new meme for me
13 days later and my computer is still rendering 🤷🏾♂️
I love this show ❤
Wait, so how many GPUs are there?
Wait how many GPUs does it have?
Can it run Crisis?
Ah yes, a pc that can handle Premiere pro that can only crash 2 times... Per day
Need dual Cpu Hp z 8 fury
I wish we knew how many GPUs does the system have
Fooouuuur GPUUUUs
You can make a two minute video so you can write off your new computer as a business expense, Ryan. No need for nearly 9 minutes.
Not ours, like we say in the episode. We have to send it back. Just a review system.
You didn't mention how many GPU's it has !
What are the specs of your computer?
You have a monster PC and yet it looks like it just came out with excel.
I think I missed it Ryan, how many GPUs are there?
3 or 4 I think. No biggie.
Can someone please tell me how many GPU it has?
$30000 and the speed is just what ? One minute different ?
In these tests 2-4x faster. Let's say I run a 3D animation business and I can get each employee one of these machines and get even 200% productivity. I can get twice as much done for that investment or I can cut my staff in half and get the same amount of work done.
Best looking pre-built I've ever seen from HP.
So, how many GPUs did the HP have, I must have missed that ;)
3dsmax is the True religion!
Hopefully pretty damn fast
Would love to see, say, the City Sample in Unreal, maybe pathtraced. That would be killer. (literally, on my system). 😉
On premiere pro I should never ever ever have a yellow bar
Chain it to the desk!'
So... 3-4x faster for 6-10x more expensive? I'm fine with capping my workhorse in the 3-5k range, thank you. And I have das fast trick called 4x M2 NVMEs in RAID 0
This channel probably makes thousands off one video alone. You probably don't.
Yeah, but can It run Minecraft ???
well, let's say it is not 10x faster than $3K box :)
Four GPUs Vs one; I didn't see a four-fold increase in performance. Your single GPU must be monstrous OR ???!!!
Yupp it's pretty great, with 4 GPUs, and even it has 2 terrabytes of RAM, and 96 terrabytes of Storage but still it lacks when it comes to work like GIS (Geographic Information System)
like, I'm the kind of person not so used to play games on pc, but my work requires loads of heavy tasks like climate modeling, disasters simulations over hundreds of thousands of kilometers area, along with 3D rendering, like dealing with terrabytes kf satellite imageries, mosaicing and processing them while using softwares like Unreal egine, ArcGIS Pro, AutoCad, Erdas Imagine, 6-7 further AI models running side by side and atleast 300 tabs of browser running all at the same time parellely on a single machine.... so yeah, this machine doesn't even come close to kind of work I usually do.
You can save a lot by building your own.
But can it run Crysis?
I retired from HP in 2005. EVERY HP computer I have ever had died within 1-2 years after the warranty wore out. Been Apple Mac ever since.
So, in essence, it's the equivalent to a fancy, expensive sportscar, as compared to your regular computer, a ...Kia(?). This has all kinds of fancy features, (AND FOUR GPUs!!!), while the regular computer just works. You can't begin to afford this new toy, but your regular computer is bought & paid for, and helps pay the bills.
So, in conclusion. PRETTY!!! But, the tried and true still gets the job done, just not quite so fast, (again, FOUR GPUs!!!). 😂😂😅
Wishing 🙏
But the huge question is: can it run Crysis?
Oh my God, there are four GPU's