This Detail Saved THOUSANDS $$$!!! Nickel Gap & Beam Installation
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we install some nickel gap, tongue and groove millwork at a diagonal pattern on a large foyer season. We talk about how to execute millwork installations in an extremely efficient manner by utilizing different installation practices. We also get into how to fabricate and install some contemporary ceiling beams with a 1/4 x 1/4" dado detail.
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0:00 Details Translate to $$$ - Project Overview
1:13 What is Nickel Gap??? Vs Shiplap???
2:15 How Small Details Impact Your Labor $$$
3:30 The Importance of Batch Cutting
4:20 Big Labor Saver: Scribe Moulding
5:22 How to Batch Cut Pieces Running at a 45 Degree Diagonal Angle
8:44 How to Bid Ceiling Jobs With Lots of Pieces
9:25 Why Value Engineer Your Projects?
11:06 The Other Reason To Use Scribe Moulding: Help The Painter
12:00 How to Build Contemporary Box Beams
13:05 Why have the beam dado detail?
13:34 Router Setup to Make Beams
14:45 How to Climb Cut With Router
16:15 Install the Beam Blocking
16:50 How to Perfectly Measure Beams with Stair Gauges
18:15 Cutting Side Beams
19:50 Adding the Beams Interior 3/4x3/4 Blocking
20:35 - Always Sand Ceiling Millwork
21:50 Using Gauge Block Jig For Fastening Blocking
23:19 How to Scribe Beams With Easy Scribe Tool
25:25 Installing Bottom Piece of Beam
27:38 Why Use This Dado Detail On Beams?
28:19 THE BEAMS ARE GONE! WHAT HAPPENED???
29:32 The Finished Product
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I'm a carpenter I do rough to finish. This guy is a beast and his sharing things that takes years of work to learn and master. Your a great man and teacher.
Totally agree
I wish he lived in a market where he could top out in the industry. Best trim education on the internet, without a doubt.
I'm a contractor with 25years working on houses.
I will second that. 👍
I will third that…viewers need to understand Spencer is top 1 per cent maybe 1/1000.you…simply…aren’t…likely….to find….Anywhere….near compable …quality when …YOU go out to bid finish carpentry locally, at any price. . It’s really frustrating to see all the great craftsmen on tube and then deal with what’s available locally at any remotely reasonable budget..
I think the revised version without the beams looks a whole lot better, the beams just looked a bit 'clunky' and un-necessary ... Thanks for another interesting and insghtful video, keep up your good work.
Plus the beams give shadows and that ceiling is too nice for any of that. I think it flows better too. Painted beams would really break it up.
I like the original design. The dining room lighting cove detail (on the print) looks like it could be a steep tray ceiling with the nickel gap. It would be nice to see boxed hips on all four sides of that tray ceiling but if they were 86-ed in the foyer, the client will probably scrap them in the dining room also. When I think of the flat stock astragal vs the false beam, it’s like giving up 3 dimensions for only 2. But that leads to a bid question: when you downgrade the planned millwork in favor of something quick and easy, do you back out only part of the labor cost in the original bid. In effect making a profit on the change itself. You should. It’s nice to make money on every change order even when giving a credit. Maybe you shouldn’t answer that question. But make extra when you can.
I really admire Spender's ability to deal with clients ( and their designers ) effectively without hurting their egos or their ärtistic sensibilities, by pointing out that the money can be used more effectively somewhere else. That's one of the things that separates a sucdesful contractor from one like me... who butts heads with clients all the time. Nice job, Spencer.... and thanks for the lesson.
Spencer. Spender…well, that’s what his clients call him.
Fantastic presentation. Kudos to Aaron too.
I've been installing cabinets for 4 years,after a 30 year gap of doing other things.
Your batch cutting mentality has really helped my efficiency!
The first 90% most professionals can do,next 7% takes experience, and finally the last 3% isn't always necessary to complete a "look".
3% is usually 5x cost,and the 7% is about 2x.
Well done Katz Jr!
This guy is a wizard
Batch cutting those 45’s using that technique was absolutely brilliant.
Spencer,your tips and tricks are what make positive progress and efficient work flow possible, and your attention to detail and skill level is what puts apart from the rest. Great work ! Thank You for sharing.
Hello Spencer. Your videos are better than other trim carps on TH-cam. They probably are watching you,if they aren't, they should. Thanks for your videos!
Glad you like them!
Sometimes it's just all you can say when you tell a craftsman he did a real nice job. No superlatives are needed. This is a really nice job. 😊😊
Some of the most creative methodologies I've seen on any woodworking channel
From an old retired custom furniture maker and finish carpenter: Good job!
I would bet a pallet of Koa that you are inspiring a lot of the next generation to up their game in this field.
Man that ceiling is a ton of work but it looks just awesome. Can't wait to see it stained - hope you can show it
That tip on how to batch 45's was awesome! I'm a nobody wannabe, so really loved learning how that was done.
The Beams ? Let me say this ? I was a police officer 30 yrs and maxed out right at 50? I worked it all including specialized units that stayed away from the dept, the Big H, Vice? U name !
Couple major operations from injuries and other drama? But I knew what I was signing up for!
But I stayed healthy ! Christian Man ! Which kept me sane!
So after I thought “ hey you’re good and staying active keeps me in shape “. So I got a license ( I was a decent carpenter & trim guy) and started doing trim and furniture then just finish carpentry !
I say that to say this Spencer ! I think I am more let’s say I hv to be careful of the drama that comes with this line of work! Than when I was working Homicides ? Grant it the customer never complained but still? Anyway I am sure you handled the beam deal like a champ!
By the way I hated retirement ! How boring! Best advice I can give is plan for another career or maybe slowdown a bit if you can? Guys like us can only play so much before the wheels start turning!
Now I say 72 ? I will go 50% at 72 like my dad ?
Your attention to detail never ceases to amaze me.
I agree with your point about painting - the moulding makes the painter and decorators life much easier. Trying to cut in to a T&G detail would be hell.
Dude, you're a baller! And the reason I got into trimming! We fit each individual piece 95% of the time and it gets to be alot on the mind after a week or so of the same task lol!
Ceiling looks amazing. I hope we get to see it again after all the finishes are complete.
Spencer this may be one of your videos that is so beneficial to people starting great video. Should have been paid twice
The scribe molding was a no-brainer and I agree it looks better without the beams. Great job as usual!
That house is a wild opportunity! Stair gauge to scribe side pieces is genius. Thanks for the video.
A person can use the gauge to solve a lot of different problems
As always, great advice !! Doing carpentry overhead work is tough enough without having to do it twice.
I like the floating text boxes that you used on the affiliate linked Kreg setup blocks and the unused safety glasses. Also, great content as always.
Never doubt yourself (straight away 🤣) your too stoic and methodical with your approach.
Job well done, as usual. 👍👍
Wow that batch cutting method could have saved me days!!!
Spencer!!!! Remember all those things you change to make it easier is less money in your pocket!!!
I know some money isnt worth earning. Showing the design and architecture team your work prevents problems they normally have to deal with is the best money maker. Its the way you become "the guy" in your area and you can decide what work you're doing 12 months before the job starts.
Top-notch carpentry and top-notch education! Thanks for the videos.
Sir you are a craftsman, I wish I had your talent. I really enjoy your vids
Amazing work and attention to detail. Everything a trim carpenter should be. Videos like these inspire me to continuously improve.
Enjoy each of your videos.
My go-to “push stick” is, often times, an ice pick. Sounds dangerous but I find is the best way for me (for 45 years).
Sometimes I do this or sometimes I'll just measure the difference and add it to each piece. Probably 11.25" in this case. Just did it Wednesday on a t&g hip ceiling.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Hey, really appreciate your tips. When you were cutting the two sides of your beams. Since they were wild on length. I take the brad nailer and put one or two nails and nail them together in the waste or drops. Insures match in length. Once again keep sharing/ teaching.
I initially started watching your stuff for the miter saw tips and tricks but while you have a lot to that, you present so much more in many areas! Thought you were out in Kansas or something until I saw the Fort Wayne house door rough ins. Surprised to see your in Decatur! Thanks for what you do, New Haven Mike
PS, maybe you can get the owner to get you on the course when it's all over!
A climb cut with the router bit. I never had a name for it but this is how I've always done it with my router cuts. Explaining it to ppl they always questioned my method because it's not really the way your supposed to go with your bit. But unless your going to take a bunch of time setting the depth to take multiple swipes at it in the "correct" direction. You have to.go with the wood so its pushing your router out away from the wood. Then draw back with the router pulling into the wood. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who does this, and that theres a name for it so it sounds legit.
It's great to watch a master at work. You're such an inspiration. Thanks
I did look at the finger jointed poplar and say, uh oh. But they were going to paint it anyway. Originally. I do like the low profile look better though! This is an impressive project and you are a true craftsman!
Great stuff!!! A true professional and a Master Carpenter and Craftsman!!!
It's just a nice clean look with the molding imo...
You Tube subtitles thinks that the sound of a router is foreign music. Great work Spencer. Love the use of gauge blocks. Well done. I was a GC and finish carpenter for 30 years and would have loved to have you leading my crew. We went to the Gary Katz roadshow to learn a few tricks. I had a library of every book I could find on trim carpentry. We did mostly remodeling so we had tons of scribing and fitting the new work to the old walls. Keep up the good work and outstanding craftsmanship.
DEWALT…assembled in America from global materials (China, Taiwan). So…TH-cam is correct on the foreign music.
That scribe is a must..we do a lot of stain floating shelves and some guys I work with kept trying to scribe the floating shelves and you can’t with a 3” thick shelf with drywall corner bead because as you know the front is shorter than the back..well guys would beat the shelf in & damage the drywall in the front and it still wouldn’t be perfect..anyway I insisted on cutting the shelves 1/2 short so no damage to the drywall and then run scribe on the ends..I think the scribe adds a nice detail & the finished product is much better..I’m doing a job for someone & I didn’t need scribe because I’m installing upper cabinets to the shelves but the homeowner actually wanted the scribe because it looks alot better..just found your channel and I’m binge watching to learn.. I’ve been doing interior trim for 18yrs & you put a new fire in me..I’ve got so bored with my work but learning new things really makes me want to go to work..thanks & where are you located?
Thanks Spencer! Your tips/tricks are always a winner. Appreciate it...
Your videos are A+ Spencer, you truly earn every $ you make! Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos.
My pleasure!
Looks Awesome man!!! Thanks for taking the time to make these videos..
I like the trim on that house a lot! The quirk is really really cool very modern
As a former house painter when sanding the edges of that trim you want to consider using a sanding block or at least short stroke it, had a friend get a splinter through three of his fingers like a sewing needle back in the day.
Beams looked nice, either way great work as always 💯
Looks fantastic. you are awesome and thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the video learned a lot, great commentary as well
They should have used a popular crown to case the nickgap and beams. Looks awesome regardless, but with the high ceilings I think the crown would look awesome too.
Great video. Great production. Great information
Interesting as always, great little detail of course and you probably dont even notice it. Fan and carpenter here from Montreal, Canada.
Looks awesome. Thanks for the great info.
Looks great Spencer!
Great job brother.
Keep up.the excellent work
If you're working with a designer I have two words for you,... cost plus. With that being said, I actually enjoy working with other professionals. While a designer may be entrenched in their vision of the final results, they're more persuadable than builders since they're usually spending someone else's money. I've worked with a very popular designer who could invoke her status over mine, but she will consider everything I recommend. Even though it doesn't always go my way, it's rewarding to be regarded for my input and ability rather than being the cheapest. One other point - we do our beams the same way. Great video BTW. Lastly, I can't tell you how many times I've had to take the safety glasses off my forehead to apply viseine while looking in the side mirror of the van.
That's hilarious. Can relate to the visine and side mirror action. Thought I was the only one out here using my safety squints. Got the local eye doctor on speed dial lol
Another amazing job humbly talking us thru the how to of this detail. Please ask permission to show off all of your work when this mega monster mansion is finally finished.
Really cool and I like it better without the beams honestly.
But really great work and thanks for the detailed explanations!! VERY helpful
Spencer. Not only is that 45 design expensive but it’s bush and not especially attractive - thank you for candor on these issues. PEOPEL doesn’t understand when they hire an interior designer and let them play their fantasies out, it’s nit just their fees, it’s multiples of that for the finish subs.
Love the vids and the work!!
I mean we are starting this detail this week! Couldn't be better timing :) I did try to call you :)
always look forward to your videos. Great point about how the scribe moulding will help the painter out by creating a crisp straight line....but, if I was the painter, I would not want to be staining that scribe moulding against the wall.....oooof. I'm glad you did not have to eat the cheese on those faux beams. Without the beams does look better (IMHO) though.
Love the content. Only suggestion is when talking/showing detailed trim profiles and spec details, show the items close up. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Really enjoy your channel, very informative Great tips and tricks of the trade really appreciate you sharing your knowledge keep up the good work thanks
I like the first beams myself...yeah lill tricks of the trade, it's like that in any field of construction..very cool, well done sir...
Awesome work👍
Perfection! 🫡
Great informational video! Looks awesome!
Awesome work brother..
Love to have seen the tear out and fixing.
Great video.
Looks awesome as always. I like the new look without the beams. Staining it in place is going to be terrible for the painters.
Thanks for yet another inspirational video! I missed where you cut over to cordless nailers. Perhaps there’s a future video where you could go ver them?
Love it good job
Up to your usual standards - Spectacular. Ray Stormont
Good thing it was not your mistake, even though we (professionals) hate taking apart perfectly good work, but it happens. Personally, I think the painted beams would have looked weird. Fantastic job! 👍
Great content. I've got that same belt. It wasn't cheap, and I cringe every time you wipe glue on it. I've never been a fan of chevron. It's a lot of work for a pattern that just doesn't make a lot of visual sense. That being said, you always have great pointers and I'll be buying your commissioned gauges very soon. Keep up the great work.
Spencer, you are an incredible trim carpenter and I love all of your videos. This is the first time I have felt the need to make a comment. The architect and yourself were both right and wrong. Speaking from experience with stain grade T&G on high end homes. Tongue always needs a dash of stain before install, and you always need scribe Moulding.
I’m a builder from MN where we have extreme temperature and humidity changes. Trust me you do not want to learn this the hard way.
Harder to see any minimal shrinkage with shadow lines created with nickel gap. I agree that V-joint or different T&G profiles might show shrinkage however. This is an interior installation with stable humidity and the material has had time to acclimate. So, I’m going to go with the people with eyes on the ground and disagree with you. Besides if he has an indoor humidity clause in his contract, shrinkage becomes an act of God with no tradesmen liability. From watching his TH-cam, I get the feeling that Spencer would make it right even when the liability is someone else’s. At times this might require free labor on the builders material. The relationship is often more important than the money. Depending on the relationship of course. I agree with the scribe or other trim at perimeter walls. Not because of shrinkage but because of the labor. I also think a scribe or cove looks better. A finish carpenters rarity… less money and looks better. All that said, I would have left the beams and painted them a color compatible with the stain on the nickel gap. IMO, this is the only mistake. The client may have balked because the FJ material bothered them on a psychological or emotional level. Brush some paint on one beam and let them see it before replacing with an astragal. But it’s also too easy to arm chair quarterback these days. It is nice that the print called for “painted materials” on the beam finish. I can see a client arguing that the wrong material was used otherwise. Working with younger clients - with deep pockets will get you a school of hard knocks degree in psychology.
*Welcome back*
I just remodeled a cottage with only 6'3 to the bottom of the floor joists, 6'2 with strapping and sheetrock. In order to make the ceiling look higher we planned on adding some furring strips and recessing high grade plywood up in between each joist throughout the entire first floor. The cottage is 80 years old and the joists aren't straight at all. I didn't like the idea of flat painted plywood and scribe mold, so my shortsighted dumbass suggested using 1x6 T&G for looks and so I was only scribing 5" at a time. Using a custom jig comparable to a mini stair jig, it took over 1 mile of T&G, 800+ pieces scribed on both sides, 4000+ cuts, 3 weeks, and $4,500 later, it came out awesome and has zero scribe mold. Customer loves it and I didn't completely lose my mind, so it was a win. Had some drama with a 400 sq deck in the past. Wife said 3/16 spacing was too much. Got to removing screws and was on the 2nd to last row when she stepped out to say it was fine. Mild huffs and puffs later I simply sent them all back home. Gotta love it. Awesome work as always sir.
How about giving us rookies a lesson on blueprint reading and detail's for trim and how you figure out how much material to buy etc
Thanks - love your videos - Tom
Did you finish the house with the curved stair? Would love to see the finished install. Very nice work Sir!!
Nice job, yes dealing with clients who aren't sure what they want...........
What sort of blocking is in the ceiling that you get some meat to nail to on all those little oddly shaped pieces?
Great video! By the way, Leica has 2 syllables: like-a.
Thanks for the info!
You are awesome
You should do a video about your bidding process.
Sounds like potential entrapment. Lol
I really want to see the finished room!
I'm gonna name my band Nickel Gap now. 😝
I like the full beams better. I also like the natural color of the planks. I don't know what color of stain they plan on, but I would leave the natural color.
I got that same Stanley cooler
I had a somewhat similar detail. Except the beams were old solid timbers the framer installed. And the paneling was reclaimed 2x4's from a barn that I resawed. I couldn't t&g the 2x4's because it ruined the patina on the wood.
I cut a rabbit in the top of the beams with a door jamb saw and knocked it out with a chisel. I made it do enough that I had some play in the paneling.
I held the hidden edge with fast cap blind nails. And toe nailed the exposed edge. I could pull the end down tight to the beam with a crow bar and scissor nail the end.
I didn't fight the cut against the wall because I had extra in the beam rabbit. About every 5-10 pieces I had to recut the angle to keep a tight fit, but they mostly were good. The walls were t&g popular. I'm guessing I would have needed to bevel the wall cut a little with drywall for mud.
It turned out great and went quickly. I was dreading the fit against the wall for weeks before though.
That sounds tricky!
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING? We used to do the same thing when installing vinyl siding starting with a full panel or making a herringbone pattern. Mostly at gable ends or going up the sides of dormers. Saved a lot of time.
That method of batch cutting the 45's is ingenious. You mentioned the glueline cracking if you were to make the beam flush without the rabbet. Have you ever had a tape folded beam crack/separate from seasonal movement?
No, with a good glue joint it shouldn't crack. However with a butt joint glue joint it is hard to completely make the glue line disappear.
Another reason for scribe trim is because you’d have to rip the back of the groove off and face nail cause it’s physically impossible to get them once to get past the halfway point and they start getting smaller.
That too. I could have went into that in the video also but figured it would get too long and a lot of viewers might not get it.
value engineering: 60% of the time, it works every time!
*always nice when its not your screwup! phew!
Great video. Thanks for the detailed insights. I was left curious about two things: 1) What gauge and size of nails did you attach the blocking for the beam to the ceiling joists? 15ga 2-1/2” nails? And 2) I was wondering how you seamed the middle of the ceiling joints after having to remove the beams? I wish you would have covered this resolution. Was it glued and nailed and how wide was the plank covering the two blocks of your 8’ nickel gap areas?
At 2:10 is not always true. I’ve used plenty of Nickel Gap with offset rabbits forcing you to face nail it.
•Actually I wish I could find T&G Nickel Gap around here or really any decent trim for that matter without having to ship it in.
Wow saved by the written word.
I couldn't help but think of the old days where we used to have to hand nail everything. Nail guns really changed building. Especially battery powered guns.
I had a quick thought.
Do you sign and date your work anywhere behind the materials?
I always enjoyed seeing dated work, as we we're demoing for remodel.
I enjoy your videos greatly. Thanks
I never have. I figure the person tearing it out is always going to hate the person who put it in. LOL
Consider that a complement...
Years ago, we did a bunch of remodels in homes built around the same time by the same builder. During demo, we found a bunch of bottles behind rock lath autographed by a guy named Jack. Jack Daniels if memory serves. We guessed he must have been a plasterer because his work showed a preference for drinking on the job. Everyone learned to scribe on those projects.