Definitely play a few test games with a friends army and really get a feel for the game before you jump into it. It's a lot of money to lose if you end up not enjoying the game.
I'm happy to see Space Wolves do this well. They seem rather neglected in the model department as of late but hopefully they'll get some unique stuff soon
I think you have to give much more credits to the keen senses stratagem! It is not only amazing on longfangs, but any melee unit with powerfist or thunderhammer loadout as well. You see, the ignore hit modifier ignores the -1 hit penalty in melee as well. Wulfen hitting on 2 with double exploding sixes! Its insane. That is why I almost always go for drop pod longfangs to use keen senses first turn for them. Turns 2 and later in need it to have a massive melee boost, so outflanking longfangs have to make use of the 2 cp count stationary strat, which is pricy…. Great video overall! ❤
I play six long fangs w 5 multimeltas in a drop pod, keen senses them for 1 cp to ignore moving penalty. The cherub effectively allowing 12 shots in this alpha strike. Of and a smash captain nearby giving reroll 1s to hit. They nuke whatever I aim them at. The psychological damage on my gaming group is high, although they are getting better at screening me out. Regardless it forces them to play cautiously while my greyhunters roll onto objectives. Very effective l. Current list is 4-0. Good old long fangs may you never be replaced by goofy looking primaris rocket launcher dudes.
@@lukehenderson3273there’s a chaplain litany that will help with that called “Catechism of fire”. Chaplain casts it on smthn within range to give that unit +1 to wound roll when making ranged attack against closest enemy unit.
@@Danyal_aka_Amagibestfox that’s such a waste on a SW list. Rerolling hits, bonuses to charge and bonuses to wound are all WAY more important than 1 units extra ranged wound bonus 😅
“The psychological damage on my gaming group is high”. Im surprised anyone plays with you. I cant use the right words to describe such a person without coping a ban im sure.
There's also a secondary people are sleeping on called "Wolfin' Time" it's an incredibly easy source for points. If you wear a wolf fursuit it gives you points at the end of every turn.
Skyclaws with a wolfguard pack leader can take 4 special weapons my friend. Wolf guard pack leader - hammer melta Skyclaw pack leader - power fist melta ×2 with melta and chainsword ×2 bolt pistol chainsword Very powerful for 110 points
I'm afraid that my reading of the rules is that Auspex is right - you can only take a max three special weapons in the Skyclaw squad. The rules state "Up to two Skyclaw and Skyclaw Pack Leaders’ bolt pistols can be replaced with one of the following: 1 plasma pistol; 1 weapon from the Special Weapons list." That means to me that you can exchange two, including the skyclaw pack leader; not two and the skyclaw pack leader. There's a reason why the Adelaide Open list was only taking the two special weapons as otherwise it would be a no-brainer to take three (plus another on the Wolf Guard pack leader). Battlescribe will let you do what you suggest but I think that it's a mistake! Obviously some people might read those (not terribly clearly written) rules differently from me...would be good to get a direct view from AT.
Found this just as I needed it. Been losing my enthusiasm for the Rout for a while, in favor of working on my Death Guard, as well as starting a CSM army and planning a small World Eaters army. But this brings me hope.
What do you mean? You have so many Primaris Lieutenant options and enough amazing Phobos armor unit choices to make a Pox Walker collecting DG player jealous.
Awesome video thanks a ton Auspex Tactics! Also hilarious last comment/joke at the end of the video promoting the Dark Angels video :D Ragnar approves.
All I want is a combination of best elements of the 5th and 7th edition codices. For example, Lone Wolves, WG and WGT from 5th and Iron Priests from 7th etc.
`Thanks for the great overview. Last time I played my Space Wolves Skyclaws were WS & BS 4+ :) I used to run large fenrusian wolf packs, 120 points for 16 models still seems good, not game breaking but ok.
I think army wide heroic is so good and I have been having loads of success running it even managed a second at the lords of waaagh tournament a couple of weeks ago
Hounds of Morkai aren't the best BUT when I ran them against CSM, their buffs let them almost charge and kill a demon prince with just their combat blades
Berserk charge ONLY works if you're not successors (or if you take the otherwise worthless successor trait) and Keen Senses works both in shooting AND melee, ignoring hitroll, ballistic skill AND weapon skill modifiers. Love the videos man, but you really dropped the ball on this one.
As a wolves player. It is super swingy the melee. Example last night I played a game and charged blood claws with full re rolls into a genestealer squad and only killed two. Full re rolls, assault doctrine and pack leader with triple exploding 6s (crusade game with an upgrade) Having a decent melee output is great, but the amplification is needed, and if you whiff, it leaves you open to get hammered back
I personally find most of the sagas tend to activate themselves if you just pick one that lines up with what the character wants to do. That said, Hunter and Warrior Born are the best in my opinion, and some of the easiest to activate.
This might be just me, but the main thing that makes me not want to play Spacewolfes are the "wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-EVERYTHINGWOLF!" theme. Its so on-the-nose I feel its about to break it...
It feels like half of wolves players hate it too, and the other half love it! You can always avoid the thunderwolf and wulfen and lean into the norse themes, some people have done some lovely looking armies along those lines
Completely agree. The Space Wolves have become completely flanderised. Instead of leaving off the "wolfy wolfness" for a bit and fleshing out their Nordic culture, GW continually leans into it harder. What makes it doubly annoying is that successor chapters are impossible according to the fluff (until primaris that is, but I hate primaris haha). Being heavily invested in Germanic paganism, I find it a great shame. So my solution has simply been to homebrew a chapter with a culture I enjoy, and use them as proxy SW. They don't necessarily have to be descended from them fluff-wise. I see it as a case of convergent evolution haha
Space Wolves honestly look pretty brutal now. 2x Long Fangs squads w/ 4xGrav Cannons +1Multi-Melta, + pack leader w/plasma gun, +termi wolf guard w/ storm shield and cyclone missile launcher seems to be good "anti most armies" fire support, especially while in devastator doctrine. Weirdly resilient as well. I'd take two squads of them, just for the "most situations and vs most armies = good" doctrine. No armour save is the required amount of armour save, and strength 5*4 shots, AP-3/-4, damage 1/2 shooting isn't bad. If they're space marines, it hurts. If they're not, it hurts heaps. Having a 2d6 blast or 2* anti armour from the cyclone, and another big heavy shot with the multi-melta, makes light and heavy squads disappear, and light vehicles too. It's just nice on the options it gives you (what will you fire twice with? What will you give 2+ shooting to? What model in your squad will take the hit from *that* weapon? (It's the one with the 4++ save mostly, just after sacrificing the plasma gun "barely there" sergeant. Only joking, you can make someone shoot twice!)). A drop pod full of multi-melta LFs, with the same sergeant gubbins above, seems like it'd work on a "that thing isn't there any more" as well. Change the plasma to a melta gun if you want on any of the mini-sergeants. There's your three heavy support elements, go melee/ buff etc, or other stuff with Arks army setups from there. Wolves have lots of stuff to go with from there.
Its amazing how good at shooting they are. Peoppe forget that our termnators can take combi weapons. You hav not lived until you have seen the face of an opponent after you teleport 10 termis with metlaguns and stormshields onto their big hiting unit.
@@TheSilverDragon1 Good time to use Keen senses as well, get the extra rapid fire bolter shots along side the melta just for laughs with no hit penalty.End up being one of the best uses for tac doctrine SW have,
Not sure if it's just me, but it feels like running a successor chapter is always better. I feel this is such a shame as the main chapters in the lore have such good backgrounds etc. I run pure Wolves and Pure Iron Hands (have done since 4th ed) and want to play those originals because of the Lore
There is an argument to be made for “too much efficiency”. Overkilling is inefficient and successors are more likely to do that than core SW - so you need to be more focused on getting value out of your models.
I think it is fairly marginal, sure successors may be slightly better but it isn't a huge difference and if you are not playing at the top tables of tournaments it isn't really going to be that noticeable. As others have said, the special characters and chapter relics are really good, so there is some compensation for running OG Space Wolves.
If I am going to gett in to the modeling/ painting and playing warhammer 40k i am likely going to start with the laviatan box or simular offering. After that il by me some vilka fenrika
Guard waits 3 years for a codex that they aren’t allowed to actually use for an extra 4 months and then once the codex is finally legal they buff SM to the top of the meta
I tried some long fangs it an RTT a weekend ago. Free lascannons seems good. But the output is so swingy. A multimelta squad in reserves was pretty handy, but not as cheap. I'm thinking my next attempt will drop them for more terminators/thunderwolf
Yusss, finally... I have so many Vlka Fenryka from 1993 to present but they always had something wrong with them coming close to their lore reputation and gameboard reality.
not super competitive but I like to do primaris drop pod (impulsor) rag and blade guard , terms and wolf guard with claw and flamers, fist meltas ,hammers and shields t wolves mainly hammers and shields , eradicators, and dreads lots of dreads
I can’t decided between space wolves and leagues of votann I’m a new player and have played other table top games before I’m just not sure where to start and if to start before 10th edition
Wait till 10th ed and in the meantime try to find as much info about both armies, their flavours and play styles. And of course...prepare your wallet for pain and suffering xD
Hy, First of all Thanks for your great work. I cant get the Point in one Thing: Sucsessor chapter with Codex spacewolves only units? Codex SW says: A SW detachmet is one with only SW Modells... So you have to Use the sw Keywords to fill in the (chapter) ... That means u have to Take thier chapter tactics IMO. Otherwise you aren't allowed to Take the savage Fury ability If you choose a sucsessor chapter... Or did i get these wrong?
@@dualitysoundlab3227 because of course they retconned something that made sense in order to sell models, still don’t want any more og characters being Primaris. Come up with some new characters or something
With Wolf Guard (non-terminator) getting Combi-weapons for free compared to Vanguard Veterans who can take free pistols, I feel like Space Wolves should be flexing into more short range play rather than just Melee and Storm Shield. For about the same price as 5-man JP/LC/SS, you can run a 7-man with JP/Power Axes and Combi-melta. Yeah, less melee damage and durability per model, but 40% more models and they all have Combi-melta. Or Combi-plasma to deep strike and shoot something in rapid fire range. Other Chapters do Terminators better, so why play second fiddle instead of doing something unique? Until we get something like Inner Circle, you are better off playing a different chapter for Terminators. Keen Senses is triggered in the Shooting phase, but lasts until the end of turn. So it is shooting hit rolls, charge rolls, and melee hit rolls. Dropping that on something that uses a Combi-weapon and charges with a Thunderhammer will get the most out of it *cough* Wolf Guard deep striking *cough* Company/Chapter Champion is looking a little interesting for a disposable melee threat. For 60 pts, you have a model with a MC Power Sword w/5 base attacks (not counting Shock Assault), 6" HI for free, Fights First and RR Wounds against Characters, and -1 to be hit in melee. Since we have extra character slots now? Speaking of, Lukas and Murderfang are Elite Characters, so we have an easy time filling those extra 3 slots if we want.
TBh they have always had excellent short range shooting options better than almost all other chapters especially if you like flamers or melta. It's just that so much of their tactics involves close combat tooling a couple of units up for pew pew is a couple of units you can't stab with. They can be very strong options if used for tank/character/elite/monster hunting though.
I think it is in the detachment abilities section, or described in the relics section. Relics are divided into 'special issue' and 'relics of the fang'. It specifies that special issue relics can be taken by SW or their successors, while relics of the fang' are SW only, unless you use the Trophy Bestowed stratagem for 1CP (that is in addition to the cost of bringing a relic in the first place). You could just look up the stratagem, because it's existence and wording make everything clear.
Or it could be that the other factions still kill SM efficiently and effectively, and it requires a high level player to beat match ups that put SM at a disadvantage?
That special character on that huge command rock looks so derpy. The way he is standing makes no sense. Really shows the low quality of the GW design and modelling team.
I take your point, and 100% agree about the "tactical rocks" that GW seems intent on forcing onto their minis. But if you look at that particular mini from different angles, the pose does in fact make sense. He's not supposed to be standing, he's actually launching himself off the rock.
I thought that the Hunters Unleashed chapter tactic was a +1 if charging, charged or HI during every melee phase, not just the first round. Has this been FAQ'd or Balance-dataslated?
@@pineapplejuice2439 Every turn where the unit has charged, was charged or heroically intervened. So let's say you charge something in your turn 2, you then get +1 to hit. any subsequent turns you will no longer have the +1
I really like your vids, but I must complain about the resolution on most of the sentences and pictures, can you upgrade the resolution? Or is it just my old eyes?
"Space wolves players have a lot of reasons to be positive right now..." "Right now"... that opening statement right there defines why 40k is a fundamentally broken game and dreadful gaming experience.
No truer words were spoken about 40k. If it wasnt for peoples affection for their faction and being over invested there is no reason to play. Mechanically its a woeful gane
Not sure it works to talk up SW as a powerful melee army then produce a list example that contains no melee units whatsoever and is basically a shooty list...
I hate this, I stopped playing space wolves for black templar and sold my old wolves to a buddy getting into the game. I miss my wolves, nay restart them
That whole reroll all hits things gets me... even with my craftworld Hail of doom list fishing 🎣 for 6s. It's like a space marine int he heat of battle hits the enemy and then be like oooo wait let me hit you again because I didn't roll a 6 its just funny to me lmfao. I guess its a game after all you gotta take any advantage you can get lmfao...
I feel like literally every day I'm researching more about the hobby and it's like every day I find a new Auspex vid on space wolves
its a sign my friend
Definitely play a few test games with a friends army and really get a feel for the game before you jump into it. It's a lot of money to lose if you end up not enjoying the game.
Auspex is a good guide to help stay current on rules and things.
I'm happy to see Space Wolves do this well. They seem rather neglected in the model department as of late but hopefully they'll get some unique stuff soon
You forgot to mention grey hunters can all take chainswords! Doesn't sound like much but it's really helpful for flexibility.
I think you have to give much more credits to the keen senses stratagem! It is not only amazing on longfangs, but any melee unit with powerfist or thunderhammer loadout as well. You see, the ignore hit modifier ignores the -1 hit penalty in melee as well. Wulfen hitting on 2 with double exploding sixes! Its insane. That is why I almost always go for drop pod longfangs to use keen senses first turn for them. Turns 2 and later in need it to have a massive melee boost, so outflanking longfangs have to make use of the 2 cp count stationary strat, which is pricy….
Great video overall! ❤
I play six long fangs w 5 multimeltas in a drop pod, keen senses them for 1 cp to ignore moving penalty. The cherub effectively allowing 12 shots in this alpha strike. Of and a smash captain nearby giving reroll 1s to hit. They nuke whatever I aim them at. The psychological damage on my gaming group is high, although they are getting better at screening me out. Regardless it forces them to play cautiously while my greyhunters roll onto objectives. Very effective l. Current list is 4-0. Good old long fangs may you never be replaced by goofy looking primaris rocket launcher dudes.
Although my buddies new rogal Dorn with 9 t is going to be hard for the multimeltas to crack :s
@@lukehenderson3273there’s a chaplain litany that will help with that called “Catechism of fire”. Chaplain casts it on smthn within range to give that unit +1 to wound roll when making ranged attack against closest enemy unit.
@@Danyal_aka_Amagibestfox that’s such a waste on a SW list. Rerolling hits, bonuses to charge and bonuses to wound are all WAY more important than 1 units extra ranged wound bonus 😅
“The psychological damage on my gaming group is high”. Im surprised anyone plays with you. I cant use the right words to describe such a person without coping a ban im sure.
I havent played wolves since early 7th edition, might want to give them another chance nowadays
Coming back into the game after a couple of years, and blowing the dust of my Wolves models, this is super useful, so thank you!
Space Wolves are fun, I love you can have a full firstborn army with all unique models.
The plus one to hit is such a good special rule. When we first got it I wasn't sold by I love it now.
There's also a secondary people are sleeping on called "Wolfin' Time" it's an incredibly easy source for points.
If you wear a wolf fursuit it gives you points at the end of every turn.
Do I have to say UwU or Yiff! or just the suit is enough?
@@neoteraflare 2 pts per turn for suit, additional 1 if you say UwU/OwO at the end of every sentence for that turn
Skyclaws with a wolfguard pack leader can take 4 special weapons my friend.
Wolf guard pack leader - hammer melta
Skyclaw pack leader - power fist melta
×2 with melta and chainsword
×2 bolt pistol chainsword
Very powerful for 110 points
That's my exact set up.
I'm afraid that my reading of the rules is that Auspex is right - you can only take a max three special weapons in the Skyclaw squad. The rules state "Up to two Skyclaw and Skyclaw Pack Leaders’ bolt pistols can be replaced with one of the following: 1 plasma pistol; 1 weapon from the Special Weapons list." That means to me that you can exchange two, including the skyclaw pack leader; not two and the skyclaw pack leader. There's a reason why the Adelaide Open list was only taking the two special weapons as otherwise it would be a no-brainer to take three (plus another on the Wolf Guard pack leader). Battlescribe will let you do what you suggest but I think that it's a mistake! Obviously some people might read those (not terribly clearly written) rules differently from me...would be good to get a direct view from AT.
Found this just as I needed it. Been losing my enthusiasm for the Rout for a while, in favor of working on my Death Guard, as well as starting a CSM army and planning a small World Eaters army. But this brings me hope.
I just want them to have better Primaris models and upgrade sprues
Agreed I’m not a fan of the old models gimme updated bloodclaws.
Same here
Sitting here and waiting for the Primaris Termis and Jump Pack Dudes to arrive 🐺
What do you mean? You have so many Primaris Lieutenant options and enough amazing Phobos armor unit choices to make a Pox Walker collecting DG player jealous.
They won't for a while, they got a full range refresh in 7th edition
They do t really have any lrimaris models. They could use a few primaris space wolf things
Wulfen w/ Thunder Hammers go brrrrrrr.
The problem with blood claws is successor chapters lose bezerker rage I believe because it requires hunters unleashed.
Yep, you right. Skyclaws too
Awesome video thanks a ton Auspex Tactics! Also hilarious last comment/joke at the end of the video promoting the Dark Angels video :D Ragnar approves.
All I want is a combination of best elements of the 5th and 7th edition codices. For example, Lone Wolves, WG and WGT from 5th and Iron Priests from 7th etc.
Sky claw pack leader can take a special weapon too.
`Thanks for the great overview.
Last time I played my Space Wolves Skyclaws were WS & BS 4+ :) I used to run large fenrusian wolf packs, 120 points for 16 models still seems good, not game breaking but ok.
"the strength of the pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the Pack"
I think army wide heroic is so good and I have been having loads of success running it even managed a second at the lords of waaagh tournament a couple of weeks ago
Wulfen stone has reroll charge aura, not advance and charge.
Hounds of Morkai aren't the best BUT when I ran them against CSM, their buffs let them almost charge and kill a demon prince with just their combat blades
Berserk charge ONLY works if you're not successors (or if you take the otherwise worthless successor trait) and Keen Senses works both in shooting AND melee, ignoring hitroll, ballistic skill AND weapon skill modifiers.
Love the videos man, but you really dropped the ball on this one.
As a wolves player. It is super swingy the melee. Example last night I played a game and charged blood claws with full re rolls into a genestealer squad and only killed two.
Full re rolls, assault doctrine and pack leader with triple exploding 6s (crusade game with an upgrade)
Having a decent melee output is great, but the amplification is needed, and if you whiff, it leaves you open to get hammered back
I think next time you would be better served saving a CP for savage strike strat for +1 to wound, would have given you a more reliable damage output
@@thelasteinherjar6115 that waz used for the thundercav againt abominants
@@lemanruss22 fair enough mate that makes sense
I personally find most of the sagas tend to activate themselves if you just pick one that lines up with what the character wants to do. That said, Hunter and Warrior Born are the best in my opinion, and some of the easiest to activate.
This might be just me, but the main thing that makes me not want to play Spacewolfes are the "wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-wolf-EVERYTHINGWOLF!" theme. Its so on-the-nose I feel its about to break it...
It feels like half of wolves players hate it too, and the other half love it! You can always avoid the thunderwolf and wulfen and lean into the norse themes, some people have done some lovely looking armies along those lines
Completely agree. The Space Wolves have become completely flanderised. Instead of leaving off the "wolfy wolfness" for a bit and fleshing out their Nordic culture, GW continually leans into it harder. What makes it doubly annoying is that successor chapters are impossible according to the fluff (until primaris that is, but I hate primaris haha).
Being heavily invested in Germanic paganism, I find it a great shame. So my solution has simply been to homebrew a chapter with a culture I enjoy, and use them as proxy SW. They don't necessarily have to be descended from them fluff-wise. I see it as a case of convergent evolution haha
As someone who collects space wolves i completely agree lmao
Space Wolves honestly look pretty brutal now. 2x Long Fangs squads w/ 4xGrav Cannons +1Multi-Melta, + pack leader w/plasma gun, +termi wolf guard w/ storm shield and cyclone missile launcher seems to be good "anti most armies" fire support, especially while in devastator doctrine. Weirdly resilient as well.
I'd take two squads of them, just for the "most situations and vs most armies = good" doctrine. No armour save is the required amount of armour save, and strength 5*4 shots, AP-3/-4, damage 1/2 shooting isn't bad. If they're space marines, it hurts. If they're not, it hurts heaps. Having a 2d6 blast or 2* anti armour from the cyclone, and another big heavy shot with the multi-melta, makes light and heavy squads disappear, and light vehicles too. It's just nice on the options it gives you (what will you fire twice with? What will you give 2+ shooting to? What model in your squad will take the hit from *that* weapon? (It's the one with the 4++ save mostly, just after sacrificing the plasma gun "barely there" sergeant. Only joking, you can make someone shoot twice!)).
A drop pod full of multi-melta LFs, with the same sergeant gubbins above, seems like it'd work on a "that thing isn't there any more" as well. Change the plasma to a melta gun if you want on any of the mini-sergeants.
There's your three heavy support elements, go melee/ buff etc, or other stuff with Arks army setups from there. Wolves have lots of stuff to go with from there.
Hey Auspex, I'd love a similar video for Salamanders if possible!
That SW army list is quite funny because it can really shoot you off the table unexpectedly. Too bad the plasma incrptors are not a thing anymore….
Its amazing how good at shooting they are. Peoppe forget that our termnators can take combi weapons. You hav not lived until you have seen the face of an opponent after you teleport 10 termis with metlaguns and stormshields onto their big hiting unit.
@@TheSilverDragon1 Good time to use Keen senses as well, get the extra rapid fire bolter shots along side the melta just for laughs with no hit penalty.End up being one of the best uses for tac doctrine SW have,
Not sure if it's just me, but it feels like running a successor chapter is always better. I feel this is such a shame as the main chapters in the lore have such good backgrounds etc. I run pure Wolves and Pure Iron Hands (have done since 4th ed) and want to play those originals because of the Lore
It depends, there's a lot of utility in taking Bjorn with a long fang castle and the main chapter relics are amazing.
There is an argument to be made for “too much efficiency”. Overkilling is inefficient and successors are more likely to do that than core SW - so you need to be more focused on getting value out of your models.
I think it is fairly marginal, sure successors may be slightly better but it isn't a huge difference and if you are not playing at the top tables of tournaments it isn't really going to be that noticeable. As others have said, the special characters and chapter relics are really good, so there is some compensation for running OG Space Wolves.
I agree with all, it's just a shame that often there is a real benefit to running successors rather than some pure lists
Skyclaws get three specials, pack leader can take one too
If I am going to gett in to the modeling/ painting and playing warhammer 40k i am likely going to start with the laviatan box or simular offering. After that il by me some vilka fenrika
wulfen stone is reroll charges, not advance&charge
Guard waits 3 years for a codex that they aren’t allowed to actually use for an extra 4 months and then once the codex is finally legal they buff SM to the top of the meta
Marines aren’t the top of the meta. They needed fixing and this makes them middle of the pack at best
Guard are fairly high up on the meta mate... But yeah let's focus on like a third of a faction actually being viable.
First alpha strike
I tried some long fangs it an RTT a weekend ago. Free lascannons seems good. But the output is so swingy. A multimelta squad in reserves was pretty handy, but not as cheap. I'm thinking my next attempt will drop them for more terminators/thunderwolf
Quite sad how for such a long time now, all the "good" Space Wolves builds are never actual Space Wolves, always successors.
Yusss, finally... I have so many Vlka Fenryka from 1993 to present but they always had something wrong with them coming close to their lore reputation and gameboard reality.
How likely is Primaris Blood Angels in 10th edition
Pretty likely, I believe, though Primaris Dark Angels are likely next up.
its wolfin time
they also got some nasty shooting, had a guy pop 19 meltas out of buildings and melt my inceptor list (pre nerf)
not super competitive but I like to do primaris drop pod (impulsor) rag and blade guard , terms and wolf guard with claw and flamers, fist meltas ,hammers and shields t wolves mainly hammers and shields , eradicators, and dreads lots of dreads
Respect has been restored for the Space Wolves
I just want Primadonna units being able to embark Drop Pods. It's baffling that "Angels of Death" cannot come from the sky anymore....
I am a elder player always had trouble with space wolves I've never beaten them
I can’t decided between space wolves and leagues of votann I’m a new player and have played other table top games before I’m just not sure where to start and if to start before 10th edition
Wait till 10th ed and in the meantime try to find as much info about both armies, their flavours and play styles. And of course...prepare your wallet for pain and suffering xD
Hy, First of all Thanks for your great work. I cant get the Point in one Thing:
Sucsessor chapter with Codex spacewolves only units? Codex SW says: A SW detachmet is one with only SW Modells... So you have to Use the sw Keywords to fill in the (chapter) ... That means u have to Take thier chapter tactics IMO. Otherwise you aren't allowed to Take the savage Fury ability If you choose a sucsessor chapter... Or did i get these wrong?
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
I love my wolves!! Vylka fenryka!!
There are no wolves on Fenris.
So have Bladeguard just completely fallen off after the points changes?
Would play them if they had updated chapter specific units. Primaris Logan Grimnar the size of Abaddon plz!
Stop primarisifying existing characters. It’s supposed to have a near fatal chance
@@Golden_Wolf_Gaming they've retconned that :/ only the first, now is a way safer procedure
@@dualitysoundlab3227 because of course they retconned something that made sense in order to sell models, still don’t want any more og characters being Primaris. Come up with some new characters or something
@@Golden_Wolf_Gaming definitely agree , would also be way cooler in terms lore if the process was nearly fatal.
That's GW for you I suppose
great content
People screaming how OP world eaters are seem to have forgotten how much better space wolves and blood angels are
What about Deathsworn Pack?
With Wolf Guard (non-terminator) getting Combi-weapons for free compared to Vanguard Veterans who can take free pistols, I feel like Space Wolves should be flexing into more short range play rather than just Melee and Storm Shield. For about the same price as 5-man JP/LC/SS, you can run a 7-man with JP/Power Axes and Combi-melta. Yeah, less melee damage and durability per model, but 40% more models and they all have Combi-melta. Or Combi-plasma to deep strike and shoot something in rapid fire range.
Other Chapters do Terminators better, so why play second fiddle instead of doing something unique? Until we get something like Inner Circle, you are better off playing a different chapter for Terminators.
Keen Senses is triggered in the Shooting phase, but lasts until the end of turn. So it is shooting hit rolls, charge rolls, and melee hit rolls. Dropping that on something that uses a Combi-weapon and charges with a Thunderhammer will get the most out of it *cough* Wolf Guard deep striking *cough*
Company/Chapter Champion is looking a little interesting for a disposable melee threat. For 60 pts, you have a model with a MC Power Sword w/5 base attacks (not counting Shock Assault), 6" HI for free, Fights First and RR Wounds against Characters, and -1 to be hit in melee. Since we have extra character slots now?
Speaking of, Lukas and Murderfang are Elite Characters, so we have an easy time filling those extra 3 slots if we want.
TBh they have always had excellent short range shooting options better than almost all other chapters especially if you like flamers or melta. It's just that so much of their tactics involves close combat tooling a couple of units up for pew pew is a couple of units you can't stab with.
They can be very strong options if used for tank/character/elite/monster hunting though.
what is the rule that says you have to pay an extra cp for the higher tier relics?
I think it is in the detachment abilities section, or described in the relics section. Relics are divided into 'special issue' and 'relics of the fang'. It specifies that special issue relics can be taken by SW or their successors, while relics of the fang' are SW only, unless you use the Trophy Bestowed stratagem for 1CP (that is in addition to the cost of bringing a relic in the first place). You could just look up the stratagem, because it's existence and wording make everything clear.
It's the page about successor chapters in the space wolf codex. The bit about relics has the rule
Savage Fury gives an additional ap on top of assault doctrine??
No
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I think SM are a lot stronger than the win rate and placements show. I'm pretty sure the majority of "bad" players are SM players.
Or it could be that the other factions still kill SM efficiently and effectively, and it requires a high level player to beat match ups that put SM at a disadvantage?
Imagine Blood claws primaris with 3A (with the chain sword) plus 2 in charge, or grey hunter primaris with chain sword and assault bolter rifle.
That special character on that huge command rock looks so derpy.
The way he is standing makes no sense.
Really shows the low quality of the GW design and modelling team.
Thats Ragnar Blackman, and he was one of the first Primaris characters. I've never been been the biggest fan of his pose
@@DINOROAR2912 if you cut the rock off it would still be a bit shit but no where near as derpy.
It’s because he’s supposed to be fighting Ghazghull I think.
I take your point, and 100% agree about the "tactical rocks" that GW seems intent on forcing onto their minis. But if you look at that particular mini from different angles, the pose does in fact make sense. He's not supposed to be standing, he's actually launching himself off the rock.
I thought that the Hunters Unleashed chapter tactic was a +1 if charging, charged or HI during every melee phase, not just the first round. Has this been FAQ'd or Balance-dataslated?
no it's the same as before with the all units can hi 3" or 6 for a cp
It's +1 for the duration of the turn. Always has been
His wording was "first round of combat" just meaning if you're stuck in combat multiple rounds you only get it during initial contact
@@Skumgummiii which turn? Every turn where they charge, are charged or HI? Or just the first turn?
@@pineapplejuice2439 Every turn where the unit has charged, was charged or heroically intervened. So let's say you charge something in your turn 2, you then get +1 to hit. any subsequent turns you will no longer have the +1
I really like your vids, but I must complain about the resolution on most of the sentences and pictures, can you upgrade the resolution? Or is it just my old eyes?
"Space wolves players have a lot of reasons to be positive right now..." "Right now"... that opening statement right there defines why 40k is a fundamentally broken game and dreadful gaming experience.
No truer words were spoken about 40k. If it wasnt for peoples affection for their faction and being over invested there is no reason to play. Mechanically its a woeful gane
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 *Gospel*
Very understandable
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 Agreed, which is why i play One Page Rules Grimdark Future. An excellent game to get the 40k toys on the table
Not sure it works to talk up SW as a powerful melee army then produce a list example that contains no melee units whatsoever and is basically a shooty list...
You miss the actual best thing about WG termies. Completly customizable load outs for free. Also wultlfen do not get free guns
I'll respect their melee, but i refuse to respect the space wolves as a rule.
I don't believe a terminator with long fangs can take a cyclone missile
They def can. 3rd bullet point from the bottom on the datasheet.
@@Alex-yj4jt I'll look again tonight, I could swear they couldn't.
Always could
@@Temsson like I said, I'm going to check tonight.
@@Alex-yj4jt well son of bitch, looks like I'm wrong. I must have just assumed they still couldn't from the last codex.
Say it with me now:
Core Space Marines aren't at the top of the Meta.
I hate this, I stopped playing space wolves for black templar and sold my old wolves to a buddy getting into the game. I miss my wolves, nay restart them
Silly loyalist furries thinking they can out punch a world eater
Best comment. #WorldEaters
We absolutely can, because what we have that the World Eaters don’t have, is cunning. See: Night of the Wolf
This Made My day
Yes We can, your god doesnt protect you, He is Happy when you are punchend
Unlike World Eaters, Space Wolves can actually think. 🤡
That whole reroll all hits things gets me... even with my craftworld Hail of doom list fishing 🎣 for 6s. It's like a space marine int he heat of battle hits the enemy and then be like oooo wait let me hit you again because I didn't roll a 6 its just funny to me lmfao. I guess its a game after all you gotta take any advantage you can get lmfao...
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I flat out refuse to respect anything about the space furries.