The OZ-00MS2B Tallgeese III
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Tallgeese III is a variant of Treize Khushrenada's OZ-00MS2 Tallgeese II and started development around the same time as the building of that unit; however, it wasn't finished in time for Treize to take it with him to space. After the Eve Wars' conclusion, the Tallgeese III was confiscated by the Earth Sphere United Nation's Preventer taskforce and kept in storage.
In AC 196, when the Mariemaia Army declared war on the Earth Sphere Unified Nation, former OZ ace pilot Zechs Merquise returned from hiding to work for the Preventers. Zechs was assigned the code name Wind and given Tallgeese III to fight against Mariemaia's Army. He first attacked them in space while they launched from their base MO-III. Using the suit's beam saber, Zechs cut down several ships but had to stop when Dekim Barton threatened to throw a colony at Earth. When Dekim fled, Zechs used the suit's mega cannon to destroy the asteroid base. Later, Zechs used the Tallgeese III to pacify Mariemaia's army of MMS-01 Serpents in Brussels without killing any of the pilots.
I just love how the Tallgeese III retains the Heat Rod that the Epyon still had. I feel like it's a part of Zechs that he still cannot let go.
some would say its a weapon he is proficient in.
@@flounder2760 when i first saw endless walts i thought that that was a reveal of the talgeese III actially being a repaired epion that was disguised ad a talgeese
Heat Rod? More like Heat Tentacle, but whatever 😂
colony
"Heat whip"
1996 and still one of the best looking mechas ever.
It’s aight
Benefits of hand drawn animation. When it's good, it ages like fine wine
*1997
Looks like a european white knight. 🔥
@@migueltorres1949 *an
Blows up and astroid base then leisurely reads a book waiting for his ride. What a chad!!!!
@Cobalt Wargear #CHADGOALS
Cringe
@@zero-wolf5519 your moms pussy is cringe
Zechs really likes that cool "long downward cut through a spaceship" move, this is at least the second time he's shown doing it.
Also a good way to be sure to hit a fuel line with a plasma blade
@@zachelkins1229 plus it looks sick
I think this is third time he did it
1. Barge
2. Libra
3. MO-III
i just realized that he made a navigation hazard of epic proportions by blowing that asteroid up in low earth orbit.
tallgeese III's head is so sleek looking and i love the fin/antenna resembles a crown considering Milliardo was once a prince. Keeping the heat rod as tribute to his epyon and my gosh that glorious sexy af mega canon that can one shot an asteroid like it aint no thing.
Pure poetry in a mobile suit
Mobile Suit Fan Service at its finest.
You know what I find interesting about the Tallgeese III? It's basically a combination of the Tallgeese, Gundam Epyon, and Wing Zero when you think about it.
And some bits of Tallgeese II
That was in fact the intention. The Tallgeese III was designed to be the "Perfect" Mobile Suit for Zechs from a narrative perspective.
A brand new official Mark I Tallgeese Model Frame, with the most state of the art Tallgeese Base kit, the Epyon's Whip like Heat Rod, and the Mega Cannon is one of three most powerful weapons in GW matched only by Epyon's Sword and Zero's Twin-Buster. The Tallgeese III was a love letter to us Zechs fans.
and leo
which one is the wing zero part ? it's cannon ? Epyon is a sure because he got that whip inside his shield
@@user-qn1zj5bs5p The beam cannon blew up an entire asteroid, just as the Twin Buster Rifle could.
Old school animation is smooth as hell.
The current animation lack little details like flowing hair etc.
Newer stuff lost a lot of grit and added a lot more color
Fun fact: Sunrise's animation quality on this level gained a nickname from its' fans called "Sunrise Smooth".
OVA tend to have a fluid and smoother animation than tv serials due to the timeframe of each releases and the budget it has. Example, one episode per month. 12 episodes in total in a year. One month is enough to make a movie quality animation for a 30 minutes of runtime. Also the budget is from DVD sales.
If you’ve ever gone back and watched old gundam wing you can actually see a lot of where they budget animation and episodes. Even back then stuff was hit and miss.
The Tallgeese was always my favorite mobile suit in Wing. Didn't care for the Mk II design, but I absolutely love the Mk III.
I love the TG. but Mk. II is my favourite lol. Mk. I + III are godly enough though.
I like all 3 of them :D
Tallgeese 3 is pure heat 🔥
The Mk III is basically a heavily up-armored Mk II, which was in turn a Mk I with some extra armor slapped on. If development had continued the Mk VI onwards would have been more or less spherical :P.
The Mk 1 cannot fly. It relies on external booster pack
I'm not the biggest Wing fan but the Tallgeese is a personal favorite design just for it being not over designed but just fancy enough to stand out.
That why I like the gundams in wing the best, they all had style but were simple at the same time. The previous gundam animus were way too simple and the new ones are too flashy.
reading a book in a mobile suit in space. damn my man Zechs is an intellectual
My man Zechs is a chad
@@ElExiawolf aaah a fellow Hiei fan. I see you're a man of culture as well
@@moatezmoussi9751 Hell yeah , Hiei is goated
0:22 メガキャノンの砲身が展開し伸びて破壊力が増すとか､良い｡
ごっついディテールの機体にこっついシールド持たせて、ほとんどの戦闘シーンで右手に持つのがサーベルだけっていうバランスが好き
Hai wakarimashita
ちゃんと重量があるように見せてるのが凄いな
子安さん悪役以外だと死なないから安心してみてられる
Honto
Tallgeese III is probably one of my favorite mobile suit designs.
The best "Not Gundam" in the entire franchise. Tallgeese is so damn cool I, II & III
to be precise tallgeese is gundams' ancestor
Fun Fact: Tallgeese 2 actually had the Wing Zero angel wings in an updated expansion manga that released not too long ago. Basically it was destroyed in battle but the wings were salvaged and removed, and were then attached to Wing Zero that was undergoing repairs from battle damage. That's why Wing Zero has the angel wings in Endless Waltz.
Not the Tallgeese II, just the original Tallgeese. It was part of the upgrades to make the original Tallgeese space-capable and also came with a heat lance. The wings were placed onto the damaged Wing Zero when Zechs went to pilot it, with him saying the Tallgeese lived on as part of it. The manga really did a great job retelling the anime and adapting the mechanical designs of Hajime Katoki into that setting.
@@BornToPeeForcedToDrinkIt Oh yeah thats right, it was Tallgeese 1. You're right. I dunno why i said TallGeese 2.
@@sakkasufle6326 so i guess even tho the wings were needed to make the Tallgeese Fleugel, the Tallgeese II still used the original boosters? well, in Glory of Losers, i mean
but where did the tallgeese gone when he pilot Epyon ?
@@user-qn1zj5bs5pI believe the tallgeese 1 was damaged beyond repair and just left in space. Now in the Manga they use the wings from the fluegel and transplant them to the wing zero. They also could've used the tallgeese 1 for parts as well to make repairs
This clip’s start was incredible
サポートに徹したとはいえ、このラストバトルをトーラスで生き残ったノイン凄すぎない？
後から来たトロワもノインが自分達より強いことを前提としたオーダーしてたくらいだしね
元々ゼクスに1位譲ったうえで2位を狙ってキープするくらいの超人ですからね
パイロットとしてはW系最強候補
おっ!やっと気づいたか。ノイン特尉のすごさが(^^)
一応だけどノインは少なくともトロワよりは腕は低い。同じトーラスに乗った時トロワの方がトーラスをうまく扱ってたので。
確実に5人のパイロットに次ぐ能力は持ってるだろうけど。
250機のサーペント相手に314機のビルゴの使用を断ってサーベルとヒートロッドのみで不殺の闘いを貫く、格好良すぎる。
ただし軍艦には管制室を直接ぶち抜くなど、殺りたい放題な件
@@syan-nei8115
クーデターだと艦艇に乗ってる指揮官クラスはどうせ処刑不可避だからやむを得ず撃破したって感じだったのかも?
ま、スタッフも不殺云々は雰囲気を出すための演出で、艦艇要員の殺害していた件についての整合性は深く考えてないよねw
タイマン張ってくるやつは許すけど、指示出すやつは許さないって哲学だと思ってた
ゼクスやノイン、デュオ、カトルに不殺が無理やろっていうヘビーアームズでも不殺をするトロワが頑張っているのにお構いなしにツインバスターライフルをぶっ放して余波で敵を不殺?それ美味しいの?って感じで破壊するヒイロがそこにしびれるあこがれる
@@syan-nei8115 キラとアスランも戦艦はぶった斬りにしてたからへーきへーき
I love how secretly busted the mega-cannon is, as blowing up a resource sattelite is close to the level of power of the TBR, but all it does is... Basically nothing.
When he landed on Earth, he didn't want to kill the Mariemaia army, so he had to ditch it.
@@spiidey1 man that's really lame that the only reason the bad guys don't lose sooner is because all the good guys don't want to kill them smh
actually tallgeese's cannon is stronger than TBR, in all gundam and super robot games so xD
今のデジタルとかCGの作画でこういう汚れ具合とか重厚感を表現出来る様になるんやろか
やっぱゼクスは格闘戦よりも機動力での突破&射撃戦だよなあ
近接線はトレーズ閣下になるのでしょう。もしトレーズ閣下用にトールギスⅢを様にしていたらどんなのになるのかな？変わらないのかな？エピオンみたいに近接のみ？顔はガンダムフェイスとか？
やっぱり、ウイング系のビーム発射音とサーベル音はいいなぁ
Damn the animation is still too good for a 1996 anime.
One of my favorite MS. Totally love the way it fights.
I know the Tallgeese III in truth has a lot of interesting Epyon DNA in the build, but it’s still crazy what Zechs pulls off in it despite not being a Gundam.
It's blueprints created by Treize.
its the father of all Gundams
@@holdthetruthhostagethe Tallgeese was father of all mobile suits in gundam wing...even wing zero.
All of them comes from him.
@@Kira22558 it is the greatest Mobile Suite we need a Tallgeese show forget the Gundam
The animation is amazing!🔥 To think this movie is more than 25 years old!
You have no idea how old you just made me feel. Lol!
artists used to care about their art . now it's all about gaining money with the least effort
Mostly the texture .the new ones seems too solid, while 90's anime feels like hand drawn.
My favorite mobile suit in all of the Gundamverse.
I really love the Tallgeese series. If i can get my hands on a Tallgeese III kit, I'll be a happy man. This suit absolutely rocks.
Tallgeese by far my favorite gundam. So simple, yet perfect!
Not gundam but almost one.
They don't make this level of Gundam animated badassery anymore.
Best iteration of this godly machine
I love the fact that even very powerful and moble, gravity is still a huge factor in movement on earth. Everything is heavier and when you incorporate thrust, even more so.
大好きなMSの一つです^^ 劇中のメガキャノンのギミック音、発射音がたまらなくかっこいい！
重装甲、高機動、高火力って男のロマンを詰め込んだコンセプトも最高だし。武器構成もメガランチャー、ビームサーベル、ヒートロッド、シールドって中距離捨てた癖の塊だし。騎士を模した外装には不釣り合いなクソデカバーニアっていうデザインも最高！
¡Es una animación de la década de los 90' y era y sigue siendo una de mis series más amada por mí,que lindos recuerdos muchas gracias!😀
_Friendly reminder that Zechs's Japanese VA is Takehito "DIO" Koyasu._
It was I dio pilot the Mobile suit
やっぱトールギスカッコいいわ～MSというよりHMぽいからかな～
Now that right there is the pinnacle of perfection the tallgeese 3 is one mobile suit that I really respect and I wouldn't mind finding the model kit of that for my birthday.
Seeing this beautiful machine in action is like poetry. I love this mobile suit
これが16年前に開発された機体とは思えない程の高性能だ…!
むしろ最新鋭の機体だと思いたくなってしまう程の機動力だ…‼︎
トールギスⅡの作成時点で初代の部品って在庫無くなっているし、最新の技術で作り直し＆ガンダムのデータ入れて改良したエピオンのプロトタイプだからほぼ最新鋭機なんじゃないかと
@@user-ic7ru1hc4i なるほど…それも考えられるセンだ。
トールギスIIIだけちゃんと首があるんだよな
ギスとギスIIは兜を外すと中からリーオーと同じ頭部があるんだよな
プロトタイプリーオーベースなのかガンダムベースの違いなんですかね？(^_^)
One of the best anime i have ever watch. The sound effect, the way they paint it and the animation, it’s so spoiling my eyes 🫶
0:30メガキャノン発射の時バーニアで反動相殺してるの好き！
本読んでるゼクスすこ
What is amazing is that the Tallgeese and Ares and Leo suits are the same. They just added serious thrusters and cut out all limiters on the TallGeese to see what it was capable of.
Well, the original Tallgeese IS the first mobile suit in the Gundam Wing continuity after all.
@@accelriderx2931 the protoype for the Leo if i remember the lore correctly
@@miafillene4396 Technically yes, Leo is the most direct derivative of the Tallgeese design, but it was essentially the basis for all of the mobile suit technology created after it.
Actually no they’re not the same outside of the basic design. The Leos have a smaller and weaker frame which also lack the Gundanium armour. The Tallgeese also came first, they made these changes because it was too expensive to mass produce and too dangerous for most people to pilot.
@@lukabazookastj9462 Pretty sure Tallgeese doesn't have Gundanium armor either, though, at least in the anime.
Tallgeese is like the F4 Phantom of that ERA, super fast but hard to maneuver, only highly-trained and physical tough enough to handle its Gs to pilot it
thousands of bullets, dozens of missiles and they hit him one time.
The "Bad guys are always bad shots" trope taken to the max. Lol
That's not actually THAT far off from the actual real-life numbers of rounds expended per enemy combatant killed, like, it's surprisingly high. Like, thousands of rounds per kill.
It's like the Zakus in Origin. All those feddie ships firing their anti-aircraft guns and not one Zaku gets hit.
You miss a 18m tall robot with a duel barel gatling gun!?!??!! How bad are you!?
To be fair, shooting down flying thing is really difficult even with FCS.
I'm probably one of the few people who prefers the OVA for Gundam Wing EW, just because I the musical arrangement of the OVA more. In the movie, I felt like a lot of tracks were put in scenes they didn't belong in.
Endless waltz had an OVA?
@@MrMarksman115 Yeah. 3 Episodes.
@@comradefreedom8275 Sweet l'd love to see that if I could
@@MrMarksman115 The movie version is objectively better, but I prefer the OVA because of the way the music was arranged.
@@comradefreedom8275 Well I'm still curious about it because out of all the Gundam series Gundam wing is my favorite mostly due to the fact that it was the first one I saw in the early 2000s
手描きでのこの動きはカッコイイ、トールギスはプラモデル欲しくなるしテレビやってた時に買ったプラモはブースターをずっといじってたなw
あとトーラスでゼクスに付き合うノインさんはやっぱり凄い
the super long retractable heat rod goes where when retracted into the shield? lol.
Mass Shifting
Anime magic
Same with gouf heat sword..or heavyarms missiles..it goes to another dimension lmao
@@MidoriNatsume it's a mobile suit, not a transformer
@@adityarachmadi7647 With the Gouf custom the sword does fit in the shield.
カラーリングからしてカッコいい
最高に格好いい…
Serpents MS attacking Tallgeese III
Miliardo: Oh? You are approaching me?
1:02
このシーン好き
"I find I can not rest peacefully in my grave while the ghost of Treize walks among us."
My favorite hands down.
The perfect man doesn't ex-
敵量産機のダブルガトリングは弾がすぐに切れそう...
多分、街中にデポットがある
The epyon & tallgeese 2 had a baby.
The RG tallgeese 3 is hope that we'll get a RG epyon gundam
and i would hope for both the EW version of the Epyon AND a TV accurate version. i know, not that big difference but still, would be nice
セル画の重量感がすごい好きだわ、CG塗りアニメでは軽いんだよなぁ。戦艦すらファンネルがごとく動きよる...
最近のロボアニメってほぼほぼcgで本当につまらないし、そもそも手書きアニメにcgを持ち込まないでほしい。
デキム「トレーズ！？いや、ゼクスか…」
I LOVE those classic Gundam sound effects
Tall geese III is my favorite❤
Still waiting on an HGUC/HGAC Tallgeese kit...
Okay but, that over powered buster rifle
the legend returns
Duo: Okay guys, let's try to minimize casualties
Milliardo: Haha Tallgeese III go BRRRRR
It still looks amazing…….
I've started to wonder who the best pilot is... Is it Heero? Zechs? Or, is it Treize? Both Heero and Zechs were able to master the Zero System, but when Treize showed up to challenge Zechs near the end of the series, I wondered: Did he really think he could beat Zechs and the Epyon with the Tallgeese II? I wonder... who would have won if Zechs had actually accepted Treize's invitation to a duel?
I'm pretty sure Treize is honestly the most skilled, best overall pilot in the series. He could've bodied Wufei in Alton, he literally gave up and died.
I'd say it's a hard shakeup, but it does point out Heero and Zechs being top pilots. Treize is questionable, as it doesn't show enough of his skill, Leo and Tallgeese. Also, Quatre later mastered the Zero System, beating Dorothy using it. Pretty sure Treize knew he would die against Zechs. Honestly, Treize's death was foreshadowed with the Epyon, episode 34, he told Heero, he had no future to choose from. He also mentioned about parting with their lives if Heero ends up the same as him. He also tells Heero about not being a winner, Gundam Epyon is not a weapon, and that he hopes Heero returns as a loser. This also later sets up that Zechs cannot win against Heero, and sure enough, he loses in the final fight. Oddly enough, Zechs returns in EW, having been a loser. Also, at the end of 34, he tries to give Heero his pistol, to which Heero tells him he doesn't have that right. Treize is not allowed to die until a certain someone appears. Though it could be thought that Treize wanted to die by Zechs, a "beautiful" death from his friend. Though it is actually Wufei that beats him and it actually pairs up nicely. Remember, Treize respected Wufei for leaving his Gundam and fighting man to man, it was honorable. Plus, all that dialogue later set up the fight at the end of the show where they actually do fight again. There is so much that goes on in the show, you wouldn't really pick up on it. Re-watching it every so often and you might find something new.
Also, Heero figured out about Zechs a long time ago, which Noin makes a nod to it by her comment in the last episode that Heero should have "figured that out by now." Zechs was trying hard to win against Heero and die. Meanwhile, Heero is trying his hardest to save Zechs, while holding back to not kill him. On a further note, there's a little dialogue at the Antarctica fight that Trowa tells the mechanic that Heero doesn't want anyone touching his mobile suit (repaired Wing Gundam). Notice, Heero had to calibrate Heavyarms for himself, there's also other places where they calibrate their machines. Another thing of mention is that there was some mobile suit and gundam swapping in the show. That in itself is a lovely feature of the show. Gundam Wing Zero got passed around, all gundam pilots, Zechs, and that crazy tech had it sometime. Also, notice that even when Duo got his upgraded Deathscythe, that crazy tech guy inside the Wing Zero completely overpowered Duo's upgraded Deathscythe, nearly crushing his head. The strange thing is Duo's shield blade, ironically called the Buster Shield cancels out the Wing Zero Buster Rifle shot. Here, I think the pilots are best in their own machines, to which Heero eventually accepts the Wing Zero, helping elevate him more.
@@Matrix2Strata017 I think I have to agree with you. After giving it some more thought, I think Treize was at one point the best pilot in the series, but both Zechs and Heero eventually surpassed him. Seeing it this way, I now realize that Treize and his ideals had become obsolete by the end of the series, along with OZ, and the inferior mobile suits they were using during the Eve Wars. It was as if Treize himself had literally become this allegory that was synonymous with the end of an era, and he was determined to die along with it, fighting with honour and chivalry, as Mobile Dolls, the Z.E.R.O. System, and the Gundams, fought to decide the future of humanity.
I think this also helps me understand Treize's fight with Wufei a little bit better too. Zechs wasn't going to give Treize the honourable and chivalrous fight he was hoping for (as Zechs had disavowed their friendship earlier in the series, and therefore, felt he wasn't obligated to fulfill Treize's request). Instead, it was Wufei who gave Treize what he wanted when they fought eachother during the Eve Wars, and its the reason why Treize calls Wufei his "friend" just before he dies; Wufei had fulfilled Treize's final request instead of Zechs.
Nice essay well explained
Hes reading manga like a true gentleman.
the animation of pre-economic bubble era is so good
London bell: Oh no Axis is falling and we can't push it guy
Tallgeese 3: Anyways, i started blasting
It can shattered axis but its remains would still screw the earth up though.
@@Supremebro0000 at least there won't be nuclear winter (but meteor still gonna wipe out some of the population
We really need a high grade of this. So badass
RGs exist of the Tallgeese I-III
@@DrForrester87 i know but it's too expensive for my blood
claw I'm sure they have an HG for it...but it won't be the same quality. I know they had HGs for the TG1.
I would love a mg with the shield connection used in the rg.
It's the only thing that put me off from buying it :/
Love the 90s animation
Love this mobile suit.
This suit and it's parts are a beast in gundam breaker 3
Took them and mixed em with the seven swords 00 legs, 00 quanta backpack so I have a suit with a lot of weapon variety but I mostly love melee combat with the saber and heat rod
i saw the ver where the Tallgeese Heat Rod doesn't get orange
顔面ドアップと
エピオンのバルジ斬りを再現したかの様な
ぶった斬り
メガキャノンの最大出力モードギミックに
惚れた(*´▽｀*)(*´▽｀*)
Omg the music that starts 0:01 is so legendary. Anyone know the name of this theme?
Hey! It’s called Final Attack from Endless Waltz OST. Credited composer is Kou Ohtani.
普通にギスlllのデザイン好きだし何よりもドーバーガンを構えるとこなんかイケメン過ぎてやべぇw
The gentleman warrior in a gentleman suit.
Let's be honest, this is the best Gundam from the Wing timeline.
If only it really were a Gundam, it would be.
@@roserichards1460 Please explain how it is not a Gundam.
@@lorzon It was never called a "gundam"
@@reee_4067 Picking at nits. The Ez-8 was still a Gundam. The GM Head was still a Gundam.
The Tallgeese III is probably the remains of the Epyon with the Tallgeese style flight binders and armor.
@@lorzon all gundams in after colony franchise are named XXG- while OZ mobile suits are named OZ (except epyon which has "gundam" on it's name but is named OZ-13MS Gundam Epyon). Tallgeese series mobilesuits are always OZ series OZ-00MS2B (OZ-00MS3) but do have "gundam" on its name. Not nitpicking but being specific, I suggest you should read more on the aftercolony lore LOL
Best mono-eye mobile suit. Don’t @ me
トールギスかっこいい。
The tallgeese always had the BEST name imo.
So wait he killed all those guys in space but then spared the Serpent pilots on earth?
In space nobody was looking heh
different goal, if i'm not mistaken, the goal is to make enemies surrender without killing them as much as possible.
he even complain 'its hard to defeat enemies without killing them', same with the rest of Gundams.
@@Nematoda4ever he, Noin, and the Gundams spared the ones on earth to be a demonstation for the people on how the revolution is not the way that should be done. If they choose to kill the earth pilots then they be viewed as terrorist too like the Gundams in the past, thus not achieving their goals to win the peoples heart. Plus this should speak volumes on how it's really hard not to kill even if you are a skilled pilot, cuzz they had to hit specific parts to not hurt the pilots inside.
For me it goes one of two ways. Either A) It was Noin's call off screen. Or B) They used their telepathic love powers and wordlessly agreed it was simply the best political move.
Either way its definitely A Political Move. Don't forget Zechs and Noin are both VERY skilled politicians.
Edit: Is it actually Irony that in the finaly of GW Zechs nearly destroyed the Earth to bring about peace, then turns around and fights for peace without killing anyone in the Finaly of EW? Anyone actually know?
I thought they were mobile dolls in space
Ah, the days when a single moble suite had enough firepower in its personal arsenal to wipe a space fortress off the map in a single shot.
I'm still unhappy that they didn't make a aries Gundam kit
OVAだから作画がオーパーツレベルwリアルに20年前の期待なのに現代でも通用するかっこよさ。
Tallgeese underrated I can’t watch any gundam series except wing
Iron blooded orphans was solid
and 00 too
So is Tallgeese III better than Epyon? It has a big huge buster rifle.
@Help Me yep
It's actually as strong as normal talgeese. It just has some various weapons.
@Help Me Tallgeese III actually does have its own iteration of ZERO System
@@EEZP where did you read that?
The Escaflowne of Gundams.
Truly the successor..
If only Treize was able to pilot this.
Treize is more of a leader like Erwin
The Tallgeese 3 was short its mega cannon so never got rolled out in time for the last war
Up until I witnessed gundam barbatos lupus rex the tallgeese III was my favor mobile suit. It’s just sexy as FUCK!
作画がすごい
ほんと作画凄い…殆どよどみないし
Tallgeese best duck.
Still my favorite mech.
Pretty sure this is the strongest MS in the series
in terms of what?