AMD & HPs Awful Laptops...How bad are they?

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  • Hello everyone and welcome to another Budget Builds video, one that really encapsulates the true spirit of the channel, as I have been living with this laptop for quite a little while now...So I decided to take a look into just why this era of laptops was plagued with issues.
    So join me today as we query on why such quirky internals lost support so fast, why AMD even paired a GCN Card with a Terascale APU, and what this means 3 years after these laptops finally got discontinued.
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    Intro - 0:00​
    The Specs - 0:13
    The Dual Graphics Nightmare - 1:22
    Temperature Issues + Build Quality - 2:40
    Engineering - 3:54
    The Benchmarks - 6:03
    3D Mark and Cooling - 8:50
    Conclusion - 9:29
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    Specs:
    CPU: AMD A10 (4 Cores at 2Ghz-ish)
    GPU: 7620G and HD8670M
    RAM: 8GB DDR3L
    Yes it was painful to edit.
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  • @furious_gaming14furious_ga91
    @furious_gaming14furious_ga91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +672

    It is so refreshing seeing a youtube channel look into older hardware and give it a second look/chance compared to all the others who are "oo intel 12th gen"

    • @Eppopower
      @Eppopower 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Or LGR, if you're into retro hard/software!

    • @takehirolol5962
      @takehirolol5962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well, major tech channels have families and employees, what else can they do?

    • @IgorGiganskiANtiatom
      @IgorGiganskiANtiatom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@takehirolol5962 the budget/retro dudes are humans too, also there are more poor folks in this world searching info for older & cheaper hardware...

    • @takehirolol5962
      @takehirolol5962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@IgorGiganskiANtiatom I was talking about the major tech channels with the new and shinier Intel generation.
      For this hardware you will also need someone to place thermal paste...had a A8 4500m back in the day.

    • @123RADIOactive
      @123RADIOactive 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As well as the few who thinks $400 is very cheap for a laptop or PC and tries to say nice things about it but subtly wanna complain about what’s wrong with it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @RMDTech
    @RMDTech 2 ปีที่แล้ว +305

    Glad you're finally back in action! It's been too long

  • @GeraltJones
    @GeraltJones 2 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    I remember having a Pavilion DV6 years ago with an i3 that would overheat after a few minutes of gaming. I pulled it all apart and saw that the CPU fan had a plastic shroud that covered the exhaust holes. Snipped it off and it immediately improved temperatures.

    • @KofolaDealer
      @KofolaDealer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I use a DV7 till this day and it's a nightmare to take apart. Doesn't have thermal issues though thankfully

    • @FuckTheState
      @FuckTheState 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I built a heat exhaustor for my laptop

    • @jnharton
      @jnharton 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      IIRC there was a whole sub-line of DV-6 (or was it DV6000?) laptops that had all kinds of problems including motherboard failures...

    • @TimDragonDeckers
      @TimDragonDeckers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had 3 DV7s and all 3 of the left speaker died because it had bad cooling design where the heat from CPU literally destroyed the left speaker. I mostly use headset though.
      It's subwoofer is nice but has niche use because I barely play movies (although that laptop was designed for that In mind) or play music on high volume.

    • @KofolaDealer
      @KofolaDealer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TimDragonDeckers my DV7 works fine (DV7-3190ec), even the cooling is quite decent since it never goes above 65°C

  • @SudosFTW
    @SudosFTW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    My sister's ex did video game development on one of these. He was working for a subcontractor for Bethesda at the time doing odds and ends at night. Of note was some of the water features in Fallout 4 and some work in the 2016 version of Doom. Needless to say he abused that laptop and I had to substitute quite a few screws from my stash to keep it together as with normal hammering it had lost most of the structural screws holding it together... and yes, I've replaced the thermal compound on one of these and it was NOT fun. I told him if he ever wanted it to get repasted or cleaned out again that it was a better option to just replace it outright.
    In the here and now one can get one of those Gateway laptops from Walmart with a Ryzen 5 3500U and 16GB of RAM for like $319-349 refurbished or new, your choice, and for that price for the specs you get it's a steal over the absolute junk this became after Win10 took the center stage.

  • @gabrielfranciscodibdomingu4096
    @gabrielfranciscodibdomingu4096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Is been a long time budget builds, a long time indeed.

  • @knoxiegb1782
    @knoxiegb1782 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    One ""hack"" I came up for my old pavillion laptop was pointing a USB fan at the vents of the cooler. It worked surprisingly well, because otherwise it would throttle like a mf. No joke, I would get a 20-30% increase in FPS in most games. I remember when I got a new PC and went to play GTA 4 I started to think "where the hell is the fan?", then I realized how stupid that was.

  • @TagetesAlkesta
    @TagetesAlkesta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I’ve opened many of these at work (I’m a computer repair tech). Glad to see someone else sharing the hatred. The absence of a model name on some of the cheapo HP 15” laptops has earned them the nickname “HP Peasant Book” at the shop.
    Now just wait until the battery puffs up and pops out the keyboard

    • @Engiduck
      @Engiduck 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have and use a newer model hp 15-da2339ne completely
      Stock, it sucks though

  • @Skyunai
    @Skyunai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    WOOOO YEAH BABY let's go, the king is back!

    • @IgorGiganskiANtiatom
      @IgorGiganskiANtiatom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      i read that in Moist Critical's voice

    • @Skyunai
      @Skyunai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@IgorGiganskiANtiatom lmao that's what I was going for

  • @ArakiSatoshi
    @ArakiSatoshi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Oh my god, when I heard that this laptop has a CPU with an integrated graphics chip AND a discrete AMD graphics chip I immediately experienced a flashback from the 2010s when my friend had a laptop with that combination and the struggle behind making that second GPU work in games!

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Every once in a while my laptop decides the intel UHD630 graphics is the proper one for game while the desktop SKU 1660ti sits there like :| It's some finagling to get it to use the dGPU but then it's fine.

    • @aleksazunjic9672
      @aleksazunjic9672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If you want to play games, there is no reason to install Win 10. Win 7 would run much better and stable on this older hardware. Or you could try some minimalistic Linux distro.

    • @VV-nw4cz
      @VV-nw4cz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@aleksazunjic9672 Linux and Dual GPU, that might be a recipe for a quite eventful weekend.

    • @quizzys7106
      @quizzys7106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@aleksazunjic9672 u are funny

    • @aleksazunjic9672
      @aleksazunjic9672 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@VV-nw4cz Especially if you try to compile drivers yourself :P

  • @daemonspudguy
    @daemonspudguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    "DDR3 RAM clocked at some speed I'm sure." Glad to see Hamish really is back!

    • @TheSpotify95
      @TheSpotify95 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's DDR3L then the speed is 1600MHz.

  • @scellyyt
    @scellyyt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    These reasons you explain in this video is why I am so hesitant to replace the thermal paste in my thinkpad x220t lmao

    • @WellBeSerious12
      @WellBeSerious12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ThinkPad T410 is hell. I only disassembled it enough to replace CPU/GPU thermal compound.

    • @rubeusvombatus
      @rubeusvombatus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Older ThinkPads are wonderful laptops, overengineered and sturdy but they're a pain in the ass to take apart past the keyboard

    • @JackBandicootsBunker
      @JackBandicootsBunker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I have a x230T, believe me, it’s muscle memory once you disassemble it often enough.

    • @jm036
      @jm036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JackBandicootsBunker Same with the T430. On the other hand my current ThinkPad, the T450s is stupid easy to open and replace anything that isn't the keyboard.

    • @PaulTheFox1988
      @PaulTheFox1988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just looked up how to disassemble it, and I honestly don't blame you, what a pig that looks to take apart.
      The absolute worst I ever worked on was a Packard bell of some kind, just to replace the cmos battery it took a solid 2 hours of disassembly and requires removing the screen, the keyboard, about 40 different screws all of which are different sizes, and undoing a heat spreader that covered the entire motherboard on both sides, and there were no shortcuts, it all had to come out.
      It was then another 2 hours of reassembly so 4 hours total just to replace the cmos battery. I wish I was joking.

  • @agoodjoe6910
    @agoodjoe6910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I remember having an HP laptop with AMD A8 APU and R5 Graphics. It got me in to PC gaming and fiddling around as most games I had to follow the lowspecgamers channel to run

  • @jesdadotcom
    @jesdadotcom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I had an HP Pavilion with AMD from 2007 that had to be placed in the fridge to install Windows XP. The file copy process caused it to overheat.

  • @Koisheep
    @Koisheep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I can't stop laughing this is literally my laptop. I gave up on Windows very early on and just moved to Linux because it was too sluggish to do anything. Eventually, I wrestled with it to upgrade the internal HDD to an SSD and took the chance to also clean up and change the paste for something that wasn't bad. I don't even know if Windows would run decently after this upgrade pipeline, because I'm too used to the Linux workflow to really feel at home on Windows 10. Oh, well.

    • @askaykeeners8712
      @askaykeeners8712 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i have this laptop too windows seems slow hows the preformance with linux?

    • @Maximus20778
      @Maximus20778 ปีที่แล้ว

      ewww linux

    • @BringMayFlowers
      @BringMayFlowers ปีที่แล้ว

      @@askaykeeners8712 It can depend on the OS and desktop environment. Ubuntu and GNOME will be a lot slower than MX Linux or Slackware with LXQt, Trinity, or a non-compositong window manager.

  • @mateopetitet2237
    @mateopetitet2237 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I clicked on this video without noticing it was you! I'm so glad that you're back!
    Could you make a video or a post listing all the products you use to clean hardware? I could really use this, and i'm probably not the only one :)

  • @PearComputingDevices
    @PearComputingDevices 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It always seems that HP gets things close when it comes to their hardware... close, but never great. It's as if the designers design a great system and bean counters come along and muddy things up. Less support here and there, remove doors oh and who needs a second ram slot? We'll reserve them things for our high end workstations and remember don't use a decent amount of thermal paste because as long as the thing works well enough to get beyond warranty that's all that counts. I've seen this with HP more often then not.

    • @jnharton
      @jnharton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      IDK which model you're talking about, but some of the laptops HP has made over time had the other ram slot on the reverse side of the board...

    • @0w3nn
      @0w3nn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think the HP Elitebook 8440p and their Elitebook/Probook lines are great laptops. Some of the Spectres are good too.

    • @PearComputingDevices
      @PearComputingDevices 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@0w3nn Yup, absolutely.

  • @AveragePootis
    @AveragePootis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm so happy to see you on my screen again! Talking to you on Discord is fun and all but i want to watch your videos from time to time, heh welcome back Hamish
    -POTTU

  • @PolakritW
    @PolakritW 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Tbh, this video looks pretty great considering it was edited from this potato…

  • @gamtax
    @gamtax 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I would say, I used this exact model. It's far better than using brand new Celeron powered laptops. Buying Celeron laptop was the most regretful decision I've ever made.

  • @topdattophat
    @topdattophat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Was literally just looking at your channel yesterday, wondering when you would upload again, and here you are. What a treat to wake up to!

  • @givemedaeth8234
    @givemedaeth8234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I had one of these laptops, or at least a few specs lower (hp n268sa). Based on some digging I did when I replaced the TIM a few years ago: the reported CPU temperature in most system monitoring applications (HWInfo etc) is actually higher than the actual temperature on the CPU. It was something to do with how that series of CPUs/APUS records temperature at the hardware level as an offset against TJMax instead of just the temp. I think you could get the accurate temps if you use whatever AMD software they had ship with it, although that's likely long been deprecated in favor of another piece of software that probably doesn't record the temp properly either knowing AMD...

  • @StreamSonic
    @StreamSonic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    God, my first experience with AMD CPU is this kind of APU + discrete GPU and it's a horrendous one. Giving me so much trauma that I had never went back to AMD CPU for the past 7-8 years.

    • @ismaelsoto9507
      @ismaelsoto9507 ปีที่แล้ว

      AMD CPUs derivated from the Bulldozer architecture didn't work well at all on laptops, the very low clock speed crippled the performance and it was still power hungry :/
      Anyways the Ryzen laptop CPUs are great nowadays!

    • @tezcanaslan2877
      @tezcanaslan2877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ismaelsoto9507 I am currently daily-driving a Piledriver laptop,which is based on Bulldozer and other than the CPU being very underpowered and it being originally paired with a hideous amount of ram (4 GB) it runs Windows 10 fine somehow (I ran debloater and now I actually dont see 90-100% usage when only 1 edge tab is open)

    • @ismaelsoto9507
      @ismaelsoto9507 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tezcanaslan2877 That's cool, Pile-driver APUs are quite slow at 2 GHz but it's usable for basic tasks. Certainly better than the very low end APUs like E-350 or C-60 :p

    • @tezcanaslan2877
      @tezcanaslan2877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ismaelsoto9507 even a core duo,maybe a pentium d even, is more useful than that waste of silicon e series cpus (my piledriver is 3.1 ghz btw with 3.8 turbo)

    • @pankoza2
      @pankoza2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      the E-450 and C-60 are even slower than a Pentium D 830, and I have a AMD C-60 in a old Asus netbook, and yes, Piledriver is way better than that crap, my Desktop PC has a Piledriver CPU (not APU tho and has NVidia GPU)@@ismaelsoto9507

  • @captainwasel8377
    @captainwasel8377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good to see you back buddy. I really hope everything is fine there and hopefully we will see more videos soon :)

  • @FrozenIce
    @FrozenIce 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    imagine getting a $400 hp laptop in 2016 (as a gift) with an A10-9600P and thinking "wow this must be decently fast and it looks sleek"
    it was BRAND NEW and it's been nothing but broken plastic tabs, overheating, eating batteries like there's no tomorrow (about to be on its third if the replacement one gives out), and so many driver issues

    • @zaf2774
      @zaf2774 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got mine as a hand me down and i hated how much of a scam it was, 400 bucks, no ssd, instead a slow ass 1tb 5400rpm hdd with bloated win10, 4gb ram, not even 1080p screen but i guess that's coz the amd gpu can't game on 1080p, and it overheats. Overheats is it's thing even with 2 coolers. Ain't getting HP laptops anymore. I added another 4gb ram and replaced the cd drive with ssd so it's more bearable to love with. Their PCs are fine but laptop fuck no they're a scam

    • @FrozenIce
      @FrozenIce ปีที่แล้ว

      @@largejoe2195 not even gonna bother tbh, the thing is falling apart, dead DIMM slot and the only memory channel that works only runs at 933 MT/s for some reason

    • @largejoe2195
      @largejoe2195 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FrozenIce alright, but that driver version brings back the option of changing what games run on what gpu

    • @FrozenIce
      @FrozenIce ปีที่แล้ว

      @@largejoe2195 i swear my laptop only has radeon R5 graphics, so that wouldn't be much help

    • @largejoe2195
      @largejoe2195 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FrozenIce give it a go anyway, but if not yeah doesn’t matter

  • @athropos
    @athropos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I had one of those in 2011-2012! I actually tried really hard to overclock the processor on it and downloaded a custom BIOS to achieve it, but ended up bricking it. I think I tried to get it from 1.8ghz to like 2ghz on all cores constantly. HP actually repaired it free of charge so that was nice.
    The actual Laptop was, as you said, a big mess of prototype ideas that didn't quite work out. The assymetrical crossfire thing didnt work most of the time, I think. If you were able to get the crossfire work it was actually decent in some games, like World of Warcraft, but in general it was just an extremely overheated and strange architecture. Also yeah the keyboard was dogshit. I gave it to my mom who ended up using it as an email and light media laptop and I just got an ASUS with an actual intel chip and nvidia card for general usage.

  • @generalbigmac_2353
    @generalbigmac_2353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brooo you have no idea how nostalgic your videos are. Your channel taught me how pc's work without dedicating videos specifically for it, with a retro spice on top. Same great quality content, even though this was produced on a toaster... regardless of the end card positioning for mobile :D

  • @TheRhinoking27
    @TheRhinoking27 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is great to see you upload again! I know the chip shortages and insane prices on pc hardware has put some channels down. Just a crazy time we live in at the moment. I will just say, do your best and know your fans are here for yah.

    • @fitmotheyap
      @fitmotheyap 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has quite unique videos. They don't depend on new stuff

  • @IndellableHatesHandles
    @IndellableHatesHandles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'd like a video on the legendary Sandy Bridge. Been thinking a PC with Sandy Bridge would be a good first build for me.

    • @Mini-z1994
      @Mini-z1994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I5 2500k with a 1650 super or similar performing gpu will do reasonably well imo, some titles you'll see quite the cpu bottleneck though still on certain titles, at least i do here on for example battlefield 5 & borderlands 3.
      On a 1660 super here with the I5 2500k at 4.5 ghz 4x4 gb ram for a total of 16 gb.
      Not quite fast enough for borderlands 3 too run as smoothly as I'd like with 60 fps all the time so I'm pretty much not playing it atm.
      But it's not far off honestly, might be better if I'd run dx12 instead of dx11 as im on windows 7 here still.
      But I'm not that bothered too install windows 10 yet honestly for the two - three games I'd be interested too play or try out a pirated version or demo of said game if available.
      Kind of hoping i can put aside some money towards a platform swap too am4 with a used 2nd gen or 3rd gen ryzen 6 core cpu, 3200 mhz ddr4 2x8 gb ram kit & a decent motherboard that allows some overclocking + mounting brackets too am4 from Noctua too my current cpu cooler.

    • @IndellableHatesHandles
      @IndellableHatesHandles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mini-z1994 1650 Super is way too expensive right now. I'd rather get something more readily available like an R9 380 or 380x. Drivers would be a bit outdated, but that wouldn't be a problem if I used Linux.

    • @IndellableHatesHandles
      @IndellableHatesHandles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mini-z1994 If I was going to sell my computer, I'd probably go with something still supported like a GTX 960 or something.

  • @NSFThunderbird
    @NSFThunderbird 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I am currently typing this on an old HP/AMD laptop from the era. I can totally relate on how hard it is to take apart. Took me forever to upgrade the HDD and RAM, and replacing the thermal paste did indeed requite a total disassembly. Did not experience overheating or misc build quality issues though. It seems HP had poor quality control for these laptops. It is still a good light duty laptop as long as your expectations are low.

  • @dollardealtech768
    @dollardealtech768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    I know how bad they are with AMD laptops. My aunt spent $465 on a laptop with an AMD-A9 and it struggles with loading emails. Anyways, great informative video to warn people about this.

    • @arithmetic7105
      @arithmetic7105 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had an AMD laptop with a A9, god damn it was awful

    • @Grishanof
      @Grishanof 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My a8 laptop is still kicking and pretty usable. Give your aunt an SSD for a holiday, these cheap laptops almost always have slow 5200 hdd with 8mb cache and all CPU does the whole day is waiting for data from it, especially if swap is enabled (again, cheap laptops and their low amounts of ram)

    • @Cooe.
      @Cooe. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stop making bullshit generalizations. HP's AMD Ryzen based machines are great. The Envy X13 in particular is fucking awesome.

    • @dollardealtech768
      @dollardealtech768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Cooe. I wasn't talking about Ryzen. I was talking about the A-Series. If you read my comment, you would've seen that.

    • @zaf2774
      @zaf2774 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My laptop costs 400 dollars and it's using AMD GPU, it's dogshit

  • @SummonerArthur
    @SummonerArthur 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    OOOOhhh, you are back, you're finnally back!
    Damn, I really missed you.
    Had to do a system wipe in one of these and reinstall windows recently, and finding a driver that would activate crossfire was a pain, all that so in the end I gave it back without even being able to test it on anything but uniheaven.
    Its nice to see what these can do.

  • @JeskidoYT
    @JeskidoYT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    holy crap welcome back! Its like this channel was on quarantine!

  • @DANCANAPLAYS
    @DANCANAPLAYS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    finally my favorite budget builds yt is back , i thought we lost a soldier

  • @mewnani
    @mewnani 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Oh judas priest, those HP Pavillions... I remember buying one years ago off Ebay for the purposes of fixing up, because I liked working on computers and I wanted to practice taking them apart and fixing them. It worked when I got it but the model I had had an issue where HP decided to not make sure the heat sink was touching the GPU inside and just shoved a little piece of thermal foam in there thinking it would be fine, and over time they'd legit cook themselves to death unless you took them apart and fixed them. So I did. I took an old 100% copper penny from the 1980s, sanded it down so I could use it as a bridge so the GPU would be making contact with metal, and I proceeded to take the laptop apart. It took me 6 hours, with instructions, to take that dumb thing apart and put it back together, with me finishing at like 3 or 4 in the morning, only to find I had broke the motherboard in the process of trying to fix it so it never worked again. I gave it to my brother and he used it for target practice after I striped everything useful off of it that I could.
    Thankfully the one I own currently is much easier to take apart, even if it's a toaster with a 1.3 GZ dual-core AMD processor, and it works surprisingly well with a lightweight Ubuntu flavor install.

    • @NSHG
      @NSHG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That sounds like the first generation of dv7s, more exactly the silver ones. They're the only one HP I know of that uses that retarded approach of cooling both GPU and NB.

  • @RJRC_105
    @RJRC_105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done. And glad you're back.
    How do you fancy testing out what I call my "craptop" that was my daily driver from 2011-12 and my backup system for on the go thereafter? It was a Lenovo G500 with a Pentium P6200 CPU and "Intel HD Graphics." It was kind of an emergency purchase when I got it because my previous laptop had totally died (a 2007 HP running Vista) and I didn't yet have the cash saved up to get a desktop (due to at that time being terminally underpaid.)
    The desktop I did get the next year I've had ever since, albeit with 2 new cases, 3 new CPUs, 4 new GPUs, 3 new motherboards, 2 new mice, 2 new keyboards, 3 new power supplies, a new monitor, and 2 new SSDs.

  • @f_for_freedom2492
    @f_for_freedom2492 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I was wondering where you had gone just yesterday. Glad you're back mate !

  • @confused_potato_boi1435
    @confused_potato_boi1435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    That was some quality content for only using a phone and a laptop, your so damn skilled! :)

  • @janwitkowsky8787
    @janwitkowsky8787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Funny thing...
    HP also tried to do this on desktops, in regards to the APU + GPU crossfire.
    Have a Radeon R5 330 OEM, sitting on my desk, which originally was paired with an A8-7600.

    • @janwitkowsky8787
      @janwitkowsky8787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also.
      Welcome back. :)
      Your videos have been missed.

  • @AndrewWoodford
    @AndrewWoodford 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was just looking yesterday to see why I wasn’t seeing your videos! Welcome back!

  • @seireiart
    @seireiart 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just yesterday watched your previous video wondering where you have been. I guess I had my answer now.
    Welcome back m8

  • @JxTechy
    @JxTechy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Budget Master is Back! Great to have you back.

  • @jadearo9397
    @jadearo9397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Glad you are uploading again, I have been watching since 2017 and your videos are really entertaining to watch!

  • @TylerL220
    @TylerL220 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see that this is the first video in a while, found ya because of that. Another channel to satisfy my itch for older hardware. Subbed :)

  • @dyter424
    @dyter424 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good timing, right now I'm helping a friend who has a newer version of this machine (AMD A8 7410 and a separate R5 M330/M430 GPU). With the latest driver installed, but also with older versions, Photoshop glitches out and a basic game has *serious* performanche issues when the M330 is used. To circumvent the issue she unplugged the AC adapter to disable the secondary GPU, and it worked: no glitches and the game runs at 30+ FPS. I'm not sure if the M330 is actually an improvement over the A8's iGPU, to be honest.

    • @S己G
      @S己G 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could it be possible that the M330 is faulty?
      Either that or it is actually a really bad choice of GPU they put in that laptop!
      It could be just a really bad choice of hardware. I have a laptop with an i3 2330m and a gt520m, and if I remember, the integrated graphics are like only 5% worse than the 520m, and instead of having just the integrated graphics, they have the 520, and no integrated graphics.

  • @samiraperi467
    @samiraperi467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's not just Pavilions with AMD graphics. I have a 2008 Pavilion with the nVidia chips that 1) were crappily pasted and overheated, and 2) tended to fail. I recently took it apart to replace the paste (disassembly took over an hour, assembly only half an hour). It still heats like a mofo but at least the GPU won't yeet to 100+ degrees C under any load. Now the problem is that it doesn't have any remotely new drivers for the nForce chipset, which I had blissfully forgotten about in the ~15 years since nVidia last made mainstream chipsets. Might try Linux next. :D

  • @426alan
    @426alan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can confirm that these generation of laptops from the first Intel i series generation to second intel i series generations are terrible in build quality. I still use a Dell Inspiron 15R-N5110 with a quad core i7 2nd gen/nivida gt 525m dedicated graphics and this video hits the nail on why these generation laptops dont age well. The plastic bits that are still on my laptop are barely keeping the screws holding the motherboard due to trying to figure out why my laptop was overheating. A display cable change later, I finally realize that you have to screw in the fan part of the laptop really hard to the point where you think you are stripping the screw in order for the chip and fan to contact and I think this is the prime issue of why these generation of laptops overheated as badly they did. This contact on the fan got my tempature from 100C to 70c on max load. Even if you finally fixed the temperature issue, you still get a laptop that has a subpar hardware that is unable to play most mid 2010's games but I got my laptop for free so I will keep using it until the laptop gives even if it is more reasonable to get a new laptop.

    • @0w3nn
      @0w3nn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is not correct. You just haven't had a great laptop from that era. The beloved Thinkpad T410, T420, X220, X230, HP Elitebook 8440p, 2570p, 8460p, Dell Latitude E6410, E6420, and E6430 are some of the best laptops ever made. The 8440p has superb build quality. I'm even typing this on a Fujitsu Lifebook T731 with the Intel Core i5-2410M. The CPU is struggling to hit even 55 degrees celsius despite it having a 35 Watt TDP. This generation of laptops are some of the longest lasting computers ever, lasting from 2010 with the release of Windows 7, all the way until the end of support for Windows 10, 2025. And that's not even the end because they could be unofficially installed with Windows 11.

    • @426alan
      @426alan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@0w3nn yeah but the issue is that alot of the laptops that you shown were $1000+ when they first came out around 2011-2013. These laptops would of been way out of the price range for a person who was just going to college for the first time. Today this isn't an issue since you can buy these laptop used for 100 bucks or less but back then the only options that was brand new and affordable was either those really cheap netbooks or laptops like the dell Inspiron 15R-N5110. However what I will say is that Nowadays where the laptop market is going, these 2011 laptops are alot more better in value for a person who just wants to do basic web browsing and youtube. Even Today 13 years later, my dell inspiron is still working when most of the modern laptops today would be ewaste by the time it is 13 years later for them.

    • @0w3nn
      @0w3nn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@426alan ah.. that is true. i3/i5/i7 only began appearing above the 600-700 dollar range in 2011. Luckily, that had dropped to around the 500 dollar mark in 2014. However, I also don’t think the pentium dual cores and core 2 duos were bad either. In fact, they’re still pretty good. I guess you get what you pay for.

  • @BWOWombat
    @BWOWombat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m so glad you didn’t stop putting out videos. I love your channel brother. Thank you for the A++ content. Been looking forward to your next video. Even checked your twitter to make sure you were still alive!

  • @deludedmarxist
    @deludedmarxist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh thank god you're back! Your content is just so comfy and relatable, especially as a fellow Brit with a deep need for cheap and awful PC parts

  • @petermc7098
    @petermc7098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Hello There, a great video and it's shame they didn't get the balance right with both the hardware and design as well as the exterior hardware etc. Thank you for sharing this and keep it up. Cheers Peter :-)

  • @MitsuruAiStuff
    @MitsuruAiStuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Had one of those, had mostly good memories of it, got it on a sale and had decent performance for what i wanted to do (mostly playing 2004 games) with good resoults, seeing it here made me smile and get nostalgic, i miss that laptop a bit

  • @GeorgeWilkins
    @GeorgeWilkins 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video as always Hamish. Happy to see you in my subscription feed again. 👍

  • @SPNG
    @SPNG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video on this interesting laptop! Kind of glad to see it back again, even if it hasn't aged so gracefully... lol. Also, welcome back!

  • @Iokser
    @Iokser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    i had one few years ago, it was working fine until one day my hdd died, and then another one, and then anoter one, and so on... the hdds were on warranty so i had them replaced for free when they died so it wasn't that bad, but it is quite amusing that the amount of dead hdds i had was easily in double digits. the record hdd lasted only 2 days! it became too annoying so i upgraded to an ssd which still serves me years later in my new laptop.

    • @AJediSurvivor
      @AJediSurvivor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had an HP gaming laptop. I ripped the WD blue HDD out of it and replaced it with a Samsung Evo SSD. Then I ripped the disc drive out of it and replaced it with a 1TB WD Black using a special caddy.

  • @adamf.1187
    @adamf.1187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I still use similar laptop with A6-6310 and R5 250M dedicated graphic card. I never knew, if the game ran on the APU graphics or the integrated one. If the video game had a choice to "select" a GPU, then it always showed only the APU one. Even with upgraded RAM to 8 GB and an SSD it feels sluggish even at ordinary office work.

  • @FunkadelicPeach
    @FunkadelicPeach 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back!! Missed ya! Looking forward to more uploads :)

  • @thetranceguy
    @thetranceguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. Can someone tell what it's the spray or that solution that he's cleaning the monitor at the beginning of the video? Thanks a lot and very nice video! I had a similar laptop HP and it was freaking hot, I remember that most of the HP laptops suffers from overheat issues.

  • @JimtheITguy
    @JimtheITguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It was worse when businesses bought them and killed them after 18 months, same with most AMD APU powered laptops, cheap, plastic, slow and awfull

  • @satoshi649
    @satoshi649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been a while since I've watched a video from you, those amd a series cpus age terribly.

  • @jimmyplenderleith9471
    @jimmyplenderleith9471 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is that green stuff you are cleaning with? Please do tell......
    Great to see you back as well.....

  • @joeonyt196
    @joeonyt196 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man took you months to come back.. Welcome back!

  • @MichealTeeh
    @MichealTeeh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "The laptop did top out at around 112°C"
    **This is fine.**

    • @MultiTelan
      @MultiTelan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which is definitely not normal on any laptop with a dGPU that I've ever owned.

    • @claritoresdiano1021
      @claritoresdiano1021 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it fries the plastic cover from time to time. I see the mark of plastic damage.

  • @speemus6223
    @speemus6223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "see you next year"
    lolololo funny joke 😂😂🤣

    • @UKVampy
      @UKVampy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well next year aint that far off.

  • @Angellmbrr
    @Angellmbrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's been sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long. Nice to see tou back, I was getting bit tired watching only Michael MJD videos.

  • @thedungeondelver
    @thedungeondelver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad to see another video from ya, man. You're one of my favorite budget PC channels, no lie.

  • @z2x128
    @z2x128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Finally a new video

  • @AlexTenThousand
    @AlexTenThousand 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see you're ok, mate! I missed your voice and weird computer finds.

  • @carter7894
    @carter7894 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I missed you so much! Glad to see nothing changed with the videos

  • @ylh2019
    @ylh2019 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back, Budget-Builds Official! Good to see you again after so long.

  • @naufalmrizhmi
    @naufalmrizhmi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's been a while. Welcome back mate!

  • @jordanr.b.3639
    @jordanr.b.3639 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just to give you an idea of how bad is the cooling on these HP laptops, I have a Pavilion dm1 that gets so hot that the keyboard and trackpad turns off to protect from the high temperatures, while the laptop still keeps going. And I've changed the termal paste, but turns out it's just bad cooling design.

  • @genfunk8209
    @genfunk8209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A classmate had one of these back in high school. A laptop fan blade had broken off and you could hear the rattling all the time. Performance was as described. Man we have come a long way from these APUs.

  • @joemam6405
    @joemam6405 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been waiting for this channel to finally upload
    welcome back man!!!

  • @ecmorgan69
    @ecmorgan69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back, brother! I missed your videos!

  • @benjamindrew481
    @benjamindrew481 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    its been ages since a video, hi welcome back

  • @silentshadow725
    @silentshadow725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've never been so surprised to see a notification from TH-cam. Welcome back!

  • @Slyse
    @Slyse 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a pinky ring?! Love the vids man!

  • @masterd9562
    @masterd9562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting video, I have a pavilion 15ab111la wich my parents bought me for school in 2016, it has those damn dual graphics too, the thing is, the integrated gpu (R6 512mb) performs better than the dedicated one (R7 m360 2gb) in terms of heat and fps, im planning on doing an specific video for this model on how to deal with this disabling the R7 at least on windows 7 and 10 so far. Linux is a different nightmare, but I like to experiment.

  • @carlouis1
    @carlouis1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah, HP laptops and pre-Ryzen processors. The painful duo. In experience, my sister is using a year 2017 model HP laptop that sports an AMD A4 processor. Quite a pain to even just boot and use.
    P.S. It's been a while since your last video. Glad you're back in action!

  • @ivankopernika536
    @ivankopernika536 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got this in my notifications. Man i forgot about this channel. Time to binge lol

  • @Im-zp7tu
    @Im-zp7tu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back ! I love your videos and your voice ! Take your time king.

  • @Rudabaugh
    @Rudabaugh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell yeah man, good to see you back. One of my favourite channels. Keep it up.

  • @grayscale420
    @grayscale420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Missed ya, big guy. Good to see you're back.

  • @andyyube
    @andyyube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations on your C70! That Astra was a faithful budget PC carrier but it was getting unsafe by today's standards. Happy for you and welcome back!

    • @BudgetBuildsOfficial
      @BudgetBuildsOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still have the Astra G

    • @andyyube
      @andyyube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BudgetBuildsOfficial Ah, my mistake. I saw that in your intro and just assumed what I previously said. Sorry, I also love cars and just look for details like these in all videos :) Glad you are back with videos nevertheless and thank you for reviewing this dinosaur. I have noticed that many of these ended up in small offices and can be found for very cheap now, I would say it still makes sense for a cheap student laptop that does not break the bank if stolen/broken.

  • @librarianwrecker6258
    @librarianwrecker6258 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy s*it this guy is alive?!?! where have you been???

  • @hamzadurvesh6388
    @hamzadurvesh6388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had the touchscreen version of this which was lower spec so an A8-455m and no dedicated GPU. That thing is and was horrendous even for the most basic of tasks.

  • @famousfighter2310
    @famousfighter2310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Missed you man. I was thinking did i forget to watch this guy or has he no posted

  • @ActiveGreen227
    @ActiveGreen227 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell yeahhhhhhhhh new vid . Love your vids i use them as background noise when i do my homework .

  • @EStarstruck
    @EStarstruck 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sooo glad you're back!!! missed your stuff so much

  • @avjaarsveldt
    @avjaarsveldt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you use a paid or free version of 3D Mark? And what version do you use for your tests? Thank you!

  • @JohnDoe69000
    @JohnDoe69000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy shit you’re back… and better than ever!

  • @cleengreeny
    @cleengreeny 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For about five years, I had to deal with a model similar to that, but worse. It had an A8-5545m and integrated Radeon HD 8510G graphics, and if you know anything about that particular chipset, you would know that it’s Terrascale 3 based.
    Edit: The cooling fan broke in 6 months.

  • @itzrandalll6077
    @itzrandalll6077 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is it that your using to clean the laptop? i cannot find it for the life of me lol Thanks in advance!

  • @solocamo3654
    @solocamo3654 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Things have changed a bit. Picked up a HP Pavillion Ryzen 7 4700U (8c8t) 15w tdp, 8gb ddr4 3200mhz and 256gb nvme drive for $350. Mind you it was black Friday 2020 but still, thing is great for the price. Upgraded it to 32gb cl20 ddr4 3200 as well.

  • @holylightning4458
    @holylightning4458 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see you back! Really missed watching your content.

  • @jovieasyrof2017
    @jovieasyrof2017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My friend and i bought this laptop in 2016 ish. little did we know the problem that this laptop would cause.
    - constant fps drops (dual graphic on)
    - low fps (dual graphic off, already set to high performance)
    - random shutdown (even after replacing thermal paste, have to turn off turbo boost by setting the processor power to 90%)
    - windows updates keeps messing with graphic card drivers (black screen, have to go back to windows 8.1)

  • @George14218
    @George14218 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had one of these when ever i would try to play anything the fans would spin up to max rpm and then crash... I replaced the thermal paste and it turned on once and then the display stopped working ://

  • @c.c.a.s5005
    @c.c.a.s5005 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember with passion using the Lenovo G585 and couldn't but glaze at this powerhouse because it died recently and don't have a PC anymore :(.

  • @Drago1995
    @Drago1995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    my first laptop was a HP Pavillion G6 got in 2011 for Christmas, still works today but it has some issues already

  • @Dariushellstrome
    @Dariushellstrome 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the A10 6800k desktop processor (upgraded to ryzen 3600 recently) I was stuck many years ago in a bind I needed a new processor but was stuck for $ the 6800k had integrated graphics and my plan was to be able upgrade to one of the compatible GPUs in six to eight months after purchasing it. I could not get one and the apu was working so I used that for quite a while until I got a 750ti, then upgrade to rx 570 4gb. Never did get the opportunity to use the dual graphics

  • @Trusteft
    @Trusteft 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What did you use to edit the video? Software wise.

    • @BudgetBuildsOfficial
      @BudgetBuildsOfficial  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Serif Movie Plus X6

    • @Trusteft
      @Trusteft 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BudgetBuildsOfficialThank you. I was never informed of this reply.