Barn Find 1986 Alfa 75 V6 Restoration - Part 2
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- My 1987 barn find Alfa Romeo 75 V6 is finally MOT'd and road legal. The Alfa 75 was a very important model for Alfa Romeo and until the 952 series Giulia, was the last model produced with rear-wheel-drive. Featuring a transaxle gearbox, inboard rear brakes and the weirdest handbrake you've ever seen, Chris the Alfa Nut takes this "barn find" Alfa 75 through some recommissioning work and finally takes it for an MOT. See what unexpected twists and turns happen along the way!
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Back to a proper Chris video ! Smashing thank you. Paul
Thanks for watching Paul. Glad you enjoyed it - is this the kind of episode you prefer? It’s hard to make enough videos to keep everyone interested!
I had a 75 3.0 V6 many years ago. I loved that car and miss it more than any car I have owned including the Alfasud. Thanks to the Nottingham city transport bus driver that wrote it off.
Oh no! Sorry to hear that Mark, that must have been gutting 😢
Good job 🇮🇹.
Cheers Lorenzo - it wasn’t that difficult in the end, just a bit of hassle with the fuel pipe! 😂
Gorgeous car Chris well worth sorting out the niggles hopefully you're going to have it a long time
Hi Andy, thanks for watching mate - we’ll see how many of the non-mot niggles I can sort out now! 😂
I would change the pipe and the fuel filter Chris. It's a nice car and you are gonna keep it so why not.
Thanks for watching mate, I have fitted a new filter but the connecting pipe is not available from anywhere! I’ll have to wait for EB Spares to make one - Kevin is using my car to measure up for it!
@@TheAlfaNut you should be able to bit of rubber pipe from anywhere , and a stainless spring on the outside will stop the any kinking , you could even make the u bend out of metal pipe
@LOTPOR0402 this is true but if I give the measurements of mine to Kevin at EB Spares, he will make me a replacement for free! 😂😉 watch this space….
Lovely 1st series 75, Chris. I could not see from video, but it looks to have the correct thin black gaskets behind the plastic wheel arch spats. Which is good because water gets behind them , rusting arch lips underneath. This happened to the 2nd 75 I had , 3.0 v6. On my 1989 twin spark , which still had them so no problems . The vibration possibly could be from the donuts , rather than balancing the prop itself.
Hi Martin, thanks a lot for watching and for the suggestion. I did wonder anbout the donuts but this is the first transaxle Alfa that I have driven / worked on, so somewhat of a learning curve! The car is originally a Green Cloverleaf but was modified by the guy who partially restored it back in 2020, adding Twin Spark side strips and rear spoiler / body kit. Sadly he also swapped the damaged QV Recaro-type interior for a rather mundane TS "tweed style" interior!
@@TheAlfaNut the tweed style seats were standard on the early 2.5 and TS models , the Recaros appeared in the LE models which was the UK dealer run -out models with a little plaque on the dash , before they introduced the replacement 155. Personally , preferred the original seats the LE seats felt higher so you almost felt you were sitting “ On “ the car , not “IN “ it, so to speak. The gear change can be improved by putting extra washers either side of the linkage , I’m lead to believe, although I never tried it. It’s more pleasant a change when you do the change by fingertips which when practiced becomes quicker later on. Love the car though, those alloys always suited the car so well. How’s the Beta by the way?
Love your videos wish you had one out every week
Hi Thomas, thanks very much - that’s very kind of you. Speaking of weekly videos - I’ll have the first in a 3-part xmas Special out tomorrow, then part 2 out next Sunday, with part 3 out on Xmas Eve!
Hope you enjoy them & I’ll do my best to post more frequently. 👍🏻
I bought my 88 Milano Verde in 1994. It had problems. It still has problems. Always an adventure. Went like stink when everything was working.
Hi Kenneth, I’m guessing you must be in the US if you have a Milano? They are quite complex cars mechanically and its not easy to find people who can work on them. Mine will be a work in progress for a while also but like you say, every drive is an adventure! 😉😂
The 75 is a great car and iconic for Alfisti
Thanks for watching - I was fitting this car with a wooden steering wheel today! 😍
Great video Chris.
Even with some issues, the Alfa 75 is great. It’s an historic car.
Of course if you compare it with a recent Giulia it’s very different, but old cars are lovely.
Thanks for watching Stanislas, I’m happy that it is road legal now, although the weather has turned bad! 😂 There are lots more things to fix on the 75 but I have all Winter to do those! 😉
I got to get out and work on my '75' aka Milano 2.5 V6 automatic. I bought mine in October and haven't done much. I have zero brake pedal! Exhaust is cut, but have it. And one injector needs to be replaced, have it also. Front blinkers don't work, but everything else is ok, Paint is shot! Great video!
Thanks for watching David - good to hear that you’ve got the Milano now! 👍🏻. I was lucky as my car was mostly ok but just needed some recommissioning, light bulbs, brakes, fuel pipes etc. Good luck with yours - just do a little bit regularly to chip away at it. 👍🏻
Congratz on MOT and making another beauty legal Chris. Love the 75 since i was a kid. Though my dream car still is the old AR GTA 1300 junior.
Thanks Don, yes one day I will sell all my other cars and buy a 105 GT or GTV! 😍
Morning Chris. I agree with other comments about the fuel pipe. Do a bit of research. Someone out there will be able to manufacture a suitable new length of pipe. My coupe had a similar issue last MOT. My wife's 500L failed MOT on frayed seatbelt. See if you can do something to prevent yours deteriorating. The 75 is growing on me. I think it is the roof mounted window switches that helped. Paul
Hi Paul, I already have someone who is making me a replacement - Kevin from E.B. Spares is making a batch, based on the dimensions of my pipe. Yes, the roof mounted switches are very "Captain Scarlett"!
I used a regular fule hose for that J hose on my GTV6. And never had problem with 3rd gear syncro, Always been 2nd gear syncro that are gone. But the last 3.0 gearbox is better . Had that in my last GTV6 -87 . But also had a 3.0l V6.
Hi Henrik, thanks for watching and for the info - unfortunately my gearbox has a problem with 2nd AND 3rd gear synchros! 😢🫣
Great that you got the MOT out of the way Chris. I recall way back in the early 70’s I bought my first car, a 1959 Hillman Minx. Three speed manual on the column! Took it for an MOT and got a “Failed it mate!” It had rust along the sills on both sides. Luckily dad was an accountant at a local car dealership/garage. Had them weld some steel along the sills and paint over it. Took it back and got the MOT.
Ooh a Hillman Minx! What a cute car they were - with it's "Koala bear" face and little fins on the back! It's funny that even 40+ years later, we are still welding up old cars to get them through their MOT 😅
I like that tea pot!
Thanks for watching! Its quite good for soup too! 😋
My 77 Alfertta GTV just passed its MOTtoo. You can get the prop shaft balanced on the car, it harmonises it with the transaxle and engine. It's expensive but works a treat if all your propshaft components are sound! I had mine done and it was like a sewing machine afterwards!
Hi Graham, thanks for watching and for the tip - may I ask who you used for the balancing?
Hi, Omicron on Norfolk, they're a Lancia specialist really but they do a lot of B20 GT's that have a transaxle that also has the pro-shaft turning at engine speed (which it needs to be to do the balancing) its not cheap, just under £1,000.00 but I was very pleased with the result. But there is no point doing it if the pro-shaft has ropey components as it will go out of balance as they fail ands when you release parts you'll not be as perfect as when first done. Later on if the prop is removed, it needs to be marked on the engine end and transaxle end to keep the unions lined up the balance.@@TheAlfaNut
@grahamsimper1680 Hi Graham, well done on getting your GTV through. Sadly I had to sell my 1983 GTV2 because the rust had gone past the point where I was able to deal with it. thanks for the info - I know of Omicron (I also have a Lancia Spyder) just a shame they are at the other side of the country from Devon! 😩 I might try Alex Jupe first, as he is a little closer!
Great vid as always
Xx Glad she is mot'd xx
Hi Susan, thanks for watching! Spent the day at Autolusso yesterday, getting the GTV gearbox replaced - that was really cool 😎X
Hello Chris. I enjoy your humour. I prefer Italian car stories and I like to hear of repairs upgrades and renovation. I have a T reg Fiat Coupe and drive it every day. Paul
Thanks for letting me know Paul, a friend of mine locally has a Coupe (Turbo VS) and we are planning to feature it on the channel, if and when we get a dry day of course! Look out for that one. What colour is your coupe? I’d like a Broom Yellow car please 😁
@@TheAlfaNut aagghh Drug Baron yellow ! Mines red. BUT, do what you are happy with, you can be more genuine then. Best wishes Paul
@paulleonard5659 haha I take it you’re not fond of yellow then?
Is your pal in the Fiat Coupe Club UK ? If not, why not ? There's lots of useful help and support for £15. Mention my name and your membership is delivered by Sophia Loren.
@paulleonard5659 I’m pretty sure he will be but I’ll ask him. Sophia Loren in 1962 or 2023? 😂
Great video. So pleased you have an MOT for it. The engine sounds great. I would get whatever power you can get out of it. I still go "wow - an Alfa (insert model here)" whenever I see one. One day I hope to have one of my own
Thanks Joseph, it wasn't an easy job but I'm glad it is done! Now I can get on with the other jobs that need doing!
Enjoy the style of the video, relax, stories that we are experiencing ourselves.
Glad you enjoyed it, do you have an Alfa?
Good video Chris get some decent tyres Pirelli .
Cheers Michael, yes I will - always amazing to me why people will spend a fortune on cosmetic stuff then buy cheap tyres! 🙄
MOT cliffhangers are always good value (for the watcher of course, not the owner 😉). As far the comparison of the 75 and the Guilia, I like a bit of analogue now and then, its a refreshing change from hi-tech 😉👍
Hi David, thanks for watching - yes I agree that older cars force you to engage with the experience far more. New cars give you a more “nanny” experience! 😉 Remind me what you drive?
@@TheAlfaNutyou are an Alfa Nut, I am a Volvo Nut 😉🇸🇪 but really enjoy your channel (ive had a hankering for a 159 for years now). I have a C30 which I have had for going on 15 years (kept it through Volvo & Merc company cars) mainly coz I love the design (its basically a Ford underneath), but recent mechanical problems and a complete lack of trust in mechanics means that it is currently gleemingly sheltering under a dust cover in my garage 🥲
@davidhall7744 hi David, I must admit that as a lifelong motorcyclist, the cliche of Volvos hitting bikes made me dislike them but they have grown on me. I’ve always loved the beautiful P1800s “Saint” coupe too - would dearly love one of those. Even the 1980’s square design Volvos look cool to me now! 😎
Great video Chris 👍
Hi Andy - how are you mate? Thanks for watching!
@@TheAlfaNut yes it was great would be good to get some driving by shots also😜
Yeah I know but I’m doing this stuff on my own so it’s difficult! I’m going to start getting my 2 Sons to help now they are old enough 👍🏻
@@TheAlfaNut great stuff keep up the good work.
@andygtv I will - am in an hotel in Bournemouth tonight, taking my Wheeler Dealers purchased GTV in for a replacement gearbox tomorrow! No rest for the wicked and yes I’m making a video about it 👍🏻
"On the road again" just like it deserves.Nice one Chris 👍Great car and comes complete with built in Xmas lights ! What more could a man(or Woman of course) want?
Hi Rob, thanks for watching mate - yes it feels good to get it sorted and driving again. All I need to do now is about 100 little fiddly little jobs! 😂
Thanks for sharing this content with us, and keep them coming
are there in the uk any roadworthy Alfa 33 left ?
Hi mate, thanks for watching. Yes, there are a few 33's left over here but they are still cheap to buy, as they are a little overlooked by most people. Do you have a 33?
@@TheAlfaNut No but I always wanted one, for me the 75 then the 155 and 33 are from that same boxy Alfa era which I find interesting, and other than your fellow contryman Jack Number 27 there aren´t good reviews of the plain middle of the range 33, there are a few highly modified/tunned tho, but that is matter for other channels.
Congratulations on bagging the vela blue GTV seen on wheeler Dealers - when are you going to show us (from another v6 vela blue owner 😊)
Hi John, funny you should ask that! Keep an eye out tomorrow for the first in my 3-part Xmas Special, all about the Wheeler Dealers experience. Should be ready to view at about 12noon, then 2nd episode is released next Sunday and final episode out on Xmas Eve! Hope you enjoy them.
I’ll be releasing another couple of vids on the car in the NY, as I just fitted a new gearbox and a Q2 diff! 😎👍🏻
Seems to be challenging. Think that would drive me (pun intended) bonkers.
Chris, why don't you get the fuel pipe made as a bespoke item? I'm sure there are small engineering companies near you in Devon. And it won't cost much.
@@plasticpenguin1 Hi mate, well my friend Kevin from E.B.Spares is going to make a batch of replacements as they are out of stock everywhere, (using my car as the template)
@@TheAlfaNut
Nice one. Alternatively, contact Uri Geller 😁
@plasticpenguin1 😂🤣
Well done on the 75! In a land far far away, many decades ago I ran my Dads GWagon without oil in the rear axle. The repairs ended up with an unbalanced driveshaft which caused it to vibrate once it got over a cirtain speed. Ouch!
Oh dear, I bet you weren’t very popular?
How did you balance it again?
@@TheAlfaNut We just lived with it whilst the car was with us. I may have been forgiven since then🤔
I was afraid you were going to say that! 😂 My mate Gary says it will probably have to be sent away somewhere to be balanced… no idea where though!
@@TheAlfaNut Here in the UK you hear of builders who put different engines in cars. In most cases they will have to get their drive shafts modified and rebalanced. If you contact one of those car builders they will point you in the right direction.
@henryhol8538 Cheers Henry, I’ll have a look 👍🏻
Great stuff I've had a few 75s I currently has a 2.0ts full race caravan and a 1.6 ie which I need a fuel tank for. Can I ask where you got yours? Thanks
Caravan?? Race car!
Hi Jamey - Haha, I did wonder! There was a restored 75 tank on EBay until a few weeks ago for £265 but its sold now it seems. I paid £1k for a brand new old stock tank, as I literally couldn't find anything else. My friend Gary at Totallyalfa.com is working with Kevin from EB Spares to produce repair sections for rusty tanks. Watch that space!
I feel as though I may be in the minority, but I think the 75 is a beautiful car (but I was also quite covetous of both the old 1750/2000 Berlina and the BMW 2002) I suppose I'm a bit of a 'square'. I also preferred the looks of the Dino 308 2+2 to the preceding Dino 246 GT. Mad, right? I might be in an extreme minority there, I suspect. I've never been an 'Oooo, look at me' type of person. The new Alfa 38 Stradale is an absolutely gorgeous freaking work of art-machine, but it's (obviously) not for me.
Cheers on getting the MOT for the 75. I was holding my breath for you, Chris!
Hi mate, hope you are well? It's a funny thing but I've always much preferred the swoopy, 1960's aesthetic, so always liked the GTV6 rather than the 75, 33, 155 etc. Lately though, I have grown to actually find the square car designs rather cool - very 1980's and "in your face" too! I think they are now quite retro-cool too which helps! Strangely, I am not that impressed with the Stradale - it's a bit too fussy for me.
@@TheAlfaNut The '38 is rubbish, but the 33? :) ('oops' for the original typo). I suppose the pics of the Tipo 33 always made me wish that Alfa had continued along those lines instead of seemingly seceding the erotic designs to Ferrari (8C and 4C notwithstanding). I understood why they did this, but when I saw depictions of the new Stradale, I felt that my heart's wish had come true, so perhaps I'm overly impressed with it. I should confess that when my wife and I bought our Alfetta GT in the late 70's, we both wanted something flashy, and so passed on the Alfetta Berlina. This was all a very long time ago.
(I'm all 'typed' out. Take care, Chris!
@jazzfan999 cheers, I love the interior of the new Stradale and of course the fact is that it has the same engine as my Giulia Quadrifoglio, just in a higher state of tune, so that makes me happy too! Have a good evening 👍🏻
Seems to be in a fairly good shape for car that's getting close to 40.
Yes it is - there is no rust but it has had quite a lot of attention on rustproofing the floorpan and sills 👍🏻
@@TheAlfaNut That means it will last a good while more!
That pipe though, it gives me bad flashbacks. I was on a fair back in the day and when I was about to leave they directed me to drive over an edge. I knew it was gonna be close but I had no choise. The pipe got stuck and torn off. I got about 2 km on the fuel that was in the fuel line until the car stopped. Hadn't noticed anything until. It wasn't easy to get that fixed even then, and this was 1997.
Haha oh dear, not a good experience! 🥴
Yes I hope to change that pipe for a new one just as soon as EB Spares produce it! 😉👍🏻
@@TheAlfaNut If I remember correctly a guy made one from a normal fuel hose and a spring so it wouldn't fold in the bend. It worked for as long as I had the car.
@anakondase Yes I might try that - I have some new fuel hose 👍🏻
not a huge fan of the 75 but man is that a beauty...would love to see it with some larger wheels (nothing crazy just an inch taller and wider and ideally lighter than the current ones)...by the way how hard would it be to put a 3.0L crank to get some more of that oomph!? looking forward to seeing her polished up and exercised
Hi Albert, thanks for watching! I wasn't a 75 fan either but I have to admit that the square 1980's thing has grown on me a lot! I have a plan to fit some Ronal A1-style alloys or similar, along with some Koni Yellows that I already have and some slightly lower springs. Then I suspect the gearbox will need to be rebuilt as I am missing some synchros 🥴
@@TheAlfaNut That champagne gold color is really pretty
Hasn't got much "Oomph"???
Then you have a problem.
The problem that I had with my (2,5 V6) was it wouldn't do less then 80mph (without trying) where ever I went!
I think its an issue of torque Paul - my 2.5 156 is a 24 valve and doesn’t have anywhere near the flexibilty of my 3.0 V6.
Also I can’t push the 75 at the moment as the prop has a vibration 🫤
I had..D564
They must have been registered quite close together.
We have autofficina here in Latvia, the owner seems to like the 75 a lot. I am kind of not sure, but this one looks really nice. And I would say it is the same as with so many alfa romeo vehicles, people either like or dislike them. Not all people will like them, just like I dislike some Audi or BMW models, but love the 156 and the twinspark engines. I used to be in awe when the new Giulia came out, but now I am like, meh, I still like the 156 or the GTV or even GT better. There is something about older vehicles. I bet the newer one is a lot of fun though. I still miss my 156 2.0 TS 1998.
Hi mate, thanks for watching & commenting! Yeah the older cars have a more physical connection because of old memories and because they are harder to drive of course! 😂. I have a 1998 156 as well - I am making an update video about it soon. 👍🏻
Some things that are good to be done:
1. Replace the fuel pump hose with a regular flexible one, no need to search for a special shaped OEM hose. You'll get stranded that way.
2. Vibration around the propshaft tunnel - propshaft bearing is done. When changing it, make sure to mark the positions on the shafts, otherwise you'll lose the balancing.
3. Front lower arm bushings - pull out the torsion bars, and clean them, then get the bushings replaced with Lemforder ones. These will get stuck from the lack of lubrication and water ingress, and you don't wanna know what kind of bullshit this will cause.
4. Pull out the plastic cover under the wiper, and check for rust. Same for the plastic sills, rear inner wings (on the level of the top of the tyres), under front plastic wings
Thanks for the suggestions - luckily, someone is making me a replacement fuel hose. The propshaft has been removed by the previous owner during restoration of the engine, so I think it will need to be rebalanced anyway. I'll be cleaning up the suspension arms this Winter and powder coating them probably. I'm happy to say that there is no rust at all underneath the car or in the body - the whole car was stripped back to a shell and repaired where necessary.
@@TheAlfaNut Sounds really nice, good luck!
@user-sy1ed9ex5m thanks a lot! There will be more content on the 75 - do you have one?
@@TheAlfaNut Hi! I have a 116 chassis car, in this case a 90 2.0 . Unfortunately in a far worse condition, as it's been off the road since 2007. The suspention needed almost complete overhaul, and the fuel tank was almost as bad as yours (unfortunately, I cannot find one new).
@user-sy1ed9ex5m The 90 is a very rare car now, definitely worth saving. Is the fuel tank the same or similar to the 75? Which country are you in?
Full marks for resurrecting an Alfa Romeo 75 v6 and trying to get it in proper working order. However, it is wrong to compare the Alfa Romeo 75 with the new Alfa Romeo Giulia. Being of italian origin and having spoken with ex Alfa Romeo engineers from the early 1970s while working on a project on Alfa Romeo at university, the marque Alfa Romeo died in 1986 when Fiat took it over, the whole engineering philsophy of Alfa Romeo having changed/disregarded in the 155 following the 75. The Alfa 75 used the alfetta platform of 1972 and all alfa engines, and was the last all Alfa Romeo designed car with no interference from Fiat (or Ferrari). The Giulia was designed by mainly ex Ferrari engineers, headed by an Ex ferrari engineer, and in v6 guise has a Ferrari derived engine also (fact despite alfa saying otherwise) and is too complicated by far in terms of electronics. It should not have had drive by wire brakes either; it is also much larger, like an alfa 164 in size, and should also have had a transaxle like the front engined Ferraris but was too expensive for the development and build. Lastly a purpose built manual should have been available, not the last minute developed europe only one. Apart from that it is a great car also.
Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. I agree that the 75 is the last "real" independant Alfa Romeo and this is an important car that I am committed to restoring. The same thing happened to the Lancia marque also and although my first car back in 1986 was a Lancia Beta Coupe, (which I loved) I realise that this was not a "pure" Lancia in the way that the Fulvia was for instance. Sadly, the car market has evolved into a situation where makers have to collaborate together to be able to make any profit and the inventive engineering of brands like Alfa and Lancia is now too expensive to be viable. Having said all that, the Giulia Quadrifoglio is a great car and puts to shame virtually all of the German sports saloons!
@@TheAlfaNut Yep agree with you. Pity about the Lancia marque, with everybody associating Lancia today mostly with the integrale road car, because of all the rally wins with the works delta cars, and forgetting both the Beta four door and Beta coupe editiions and also previous lancias when independent from fiat. Regarding the Alfa Romeo Giulia it is I agree much better than the German sports saloons and I should have mentioned that before. However, lots of US quadrifoglios had many different electronic problems on long term reviews, and lots of people hated the brake by wire grabby feel at low traffic speeds. Lastly for me when they decided not to build a proper manual and sell it in the uk I was upset. Still glad you are enjoying her and the ride/handling combination is apparently as good as lotus could do (acording to evo if i recall well) with a car that flows over mixed camber and non smooth uk roads.
Yes the Giulia has a lovely chassis and has a blend of good ride and great handling that is hard to believe. I found a nice Beta Spyder 2.0 from 1980 a year ago, (very underpriced!) which I am also driving & improving. I would love an Integrale too, or even a Delta Turbo but would prefer an early 1960’s Flaminia GT (Touring bodied), or the Zagato Super Sport. Such beautiful cars!
Why mention it , its called a bit of power going to mot inspectors head .More than their job is worth , and can not use common sense
Sadly true mate, and to add to that my local MOT tester isn’t very fond of Alfas and is always looking for problems that aren’t there! 😂
@@TheAlfaNut Yeh that's part of the problem plus the fact it's getting harder and harder to get an MOT on an older car ,an I work in the trade
Hi Ant, let’s face it - the government want motorists off the road, full stop. The legislation is heading towards more & more restrictions for us 😢