Aw you can tell how much he loved his dad. Religious questions aside, it’s nice to hear such a thoughtful reminiscence of a warm and loving father, very sweet
Spencer W Kimball was my Stake President in Morenci AZ. He came to our home when my father was Branch President. He assisted my parents in getting the necessary gasoline stamps for our move to California in 1943. My brother had been born with heart defects. We had been advised by the family doctor of the necessity to move to a lower elevation to extend his life. I will always him as a compassionate 'minister'.
I remember reading 'One Silent, Sleepless Night' years ago. It served to humanize a figure who seemed bigger than life. This interview added a heartfelt dimension to the man behind the story.
Just seeing Edward reminds me of his father. It seems like just yesterday. Thank you for sharing your story and insight Edward. I enjoyed hearing about your mother as well. We knew President Kimball loved All of Us because of his love for Jesus. Pres. Kimball was a living example of that love. We were blessed to have had some of those Indian school children as friends. I often wonder how they are doing. Fanny Begay was my older sister's classmate. Hello to Fanny.
I loved that he said that his father always kissed him . My father always kissed us too!! Before bed , before departure or separation of any kind. Till the day he died and I was 21 yrs old at that time. There were 8 of us kids . my father was a very loving man and was 6ft 4in tall and 250lbs but not embarrassed to show affection. It's been 20yrs today that my father passed away . what a sweet memory for me to have been reminded of on this day by this video. So glad I watched it . 😊
Interesting that his mother said that he had polio because he caught the germ when my HP group leader, a couple of years ago, refused to give me a blessing of healing because each and every of my medical problems were caused.by my actions. Should have asked him what sin I commuted to warrant being in the hospital at 6 weeks of age with pneumonia. Just for instance.
What emerges from the cases I have cited is that if we divide diseases into those that may, no matter how rarely, recover spontaneously and those that do not, we must place cancer in the "may recover" category. This means that cancer cures, no matter how gratifying to patients who experience them and to their relatives, are not necessarily miraculous. They lie within the boundaries of the natural world.
If LDS are doing it to "earn" salvation, they don't understand church doctrine and do it for the wrong reasons. It should be done for love of the Savior
I was on my mission when the announcement of the Priesthood came I saw it on the doorstep and started calling local leaders and the my Mission President they said they were unaware but it was in the paper. We were baptizing a personal friend of Ezra T, Benson she wanted to call him directly we declined. As we were filling the Baptismal font with warm water we stoped and decided to ask the Lord for His direction. We went to separate Class rooms in a phase one Chapel about 30 minutes south from South Bend , Indiana. We met a few minutes later with tears running down our cheeks. We had our answer. We were bathed in peace, love and light from our Heavenly Father. This witness confirmed what we already knew that our God in Heaven loves and seeks to lift all of His children home ! We never doubted our answer and taught the truth of the revelation before the official printing .
I guess I don’t understand why they needed “revelation” to do the right thing-giving Black people the priesthood. I thought God didn’t discriminate. Shouldn’t they always had the priesthood?
If you believe the Bible, God has traditionally only entrusted certain tribes with His priesthood. In the New Testament, Jesus commanded his apostles to preach to the Gentiles. Up until that point, only the Jews were allowed the priesthood.
@@tyronebiggums1047 Simon the Canaanite was of black skin and Jewish and was an Apostle of Jesus T. Also when Jesus died on the Cross the Temple curtain was torn from top to bottom ending sacrifice and the end of the Temple. The Lord in 70 A.D. put a end to the sanctuary on earth The Lord Jesus is our authority Christ is our mediator to the Father All men and woman that surrender to Christ are Priest and Priestess
@@federicoeco9030 I don't believe that Smith had any authority and I believe your Apostles And Prophets have the authority of Kenneth Copeland. Zero The only one that is in charge of Christ church is Christ himself
Wow I didn’t know the LDS had the Indian placement program. I know there is a lot of information swirling around about residential schools and the Catholic Church. I know that some reservations have restrictions on missionaries now. I also know the Blackfeet for example, only let members of their tribe adopt children, no outsiders.
I joined the church the latter part of when David O’Mckay was the church president. Then later when Spencer W. Kimball was the prophet he came to my foster parent’s house. I felt i was in the presence of God. He edified and continued to uplift us throughout his presidency. I got into personal progress type of activities. I was not in some kind of cultural genocide as mentioned but yes i took on opportunities available to me. I am a retired teacher and owe the great influences of high school experiences and college. Interracial marriage would have been difficult. I wanted to marry someone who would appreciate my mother, cultural practices and language. My “Indian” 45:48 upbringing is so deeply ingrained that my white partner would be left out totally. The placement program added to my being who i have become. I am very thankful for great foster parents. Love you dearly.
In summary, then, while the mechanisms of spontaneous remission are by no means fully understood, there are plausible suggestions to explain the phenomenon.
Not really sure what you are trying to say. All prophets are called. President Kimball, and all prophets, prophecy and preach repentance and to come to Christ.
A number of papers discuss possible mechanisms by which spontaneous remission of cancer might occur. The most popular suggestion is some form of immunological reaction, though this is still unproven (Lokich J, 1997; Heim ME, Kobele C, 1995). There seems to be a connection between fever and remission of cancer (Murakawa M et al., 1990); fever in childhood or adulthood may protect against the later onset of cancer and spontaneous remissions are often preceded by feverish infections Kleef R et 2001
Hmm lets see: Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment
Instead, members depend on faith healers called practitioners whose training consists of a brief period of religious tutelage and whose treatment is limited exclusively to praying.
Of course one cannot prove miracles do not exist, but apart from the well known difficulty of proving a negative one does not have that burden, which is actually on the claimant. Invariably, when we subtract the cases which have been clearly disproved, or which have plausible counter- explanations, or that are inadmissible because they cannot be substantiated, there seems insufficient grounds for invoking a miracle.
@NatishaAngell I agree. Dehlin asked if he felt anyone could have been the prophet or if he felt that President Kimball was set apart. Of course, he was foreordained to be the prophet.
really? obviously you did not read my post, "his means that cancer cures, no matter how gratifying to patients who experience them and to their relatives, are not necessarily miraculous. They lie within the boundaries of the natural world."
???? When his Dad told him how it works? I would think Spencer W Kimball knew a little about how it worked. And I’m an ex-mo. Spencer Kimball was the only President of the church while I was a member.
The BoM uses word for word quotations in Elizabethan English which did not even exist at the time of the supposed writing of these texts. charity sufferth long, and is kind, and envieth not,...is not puffed up,...seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things,...hopeth all things, endurth all th ings (Moroni 7:45) Verbatim wording in the KJV - 1 Cor 13:4-7. That is a proven plagiarism proving fraud.
Ted. Any wife would recognize God. [NOTES: Hates: Mal. 1-2,3, Rom. 9:11-13. Love: Deut. 7:13. Anger: Ex. 4:14. Compassion: Ps. 111:4. Favorite: Ex. 3:21. Chosen people: Is. 44:2. Angry: Deut. 9:20, 1 Kin. 11:9, etc. Enraged: 1 Sam. 6:19. Swears: Gen. 12:3. Destroys things: Gen. 6:17. Pouts: Ex. 32:9-10. Shouts: Ps. 47:5. Deceives: Jer. 20:7. Rests: Gen. 2:2] Thats the god you worship, a god with attributes of primitive man, a god who did change as society as all the other fictional gods
Christian & Holistic Counseling Services what? I have never felt this in many many hours of watching. He’s a sincere and curious person and is part of the conversation.
1) "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39 WHERE ARE THE MORmON gODS? (2) "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 WHEN WAS WERE THE MORmON gODS FORMED? (3) "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5 DOES MY GOD NOT KNOW THE MORmON gODS?
The case of remission following myxoedema coma (Hercbergs A 1999) suggests that hypothyroidism may trigger apoptosis (cell death) in tumours Yet another idea is that DNA methylation, which is involved in cell differentiation, may play a part (Sugimura T Ushijama T, 2000). And there is a long-standing impression that psychological influences are important (Heim M. Schwarz R 2000 Heim ME, Kobele C, 1995); certainly it is known that the nervous system influences the functioning of the immune system
ummmm... not true. They strive to show appreciation for what Christ has done. Impossible to work your way to heaven. LDS are taught this and should know this. The work is showing our appreciation and love to God for what Christ has done.
The snake-oil salesman of folk cult faith, Joseph Smith was a true master. The sales continue and the suckers are plenty. Where else can a con man get away with amassing wealth, 34 woman and girls, appoint himself a general, a king, a prophet, and better than Jesus? Amazing that this is still pulling in the money of the seekers.
I am not making money, taking multiple wives, writing a new bible, starting a "restored" church, claiming God and angels came to see me, etc etc etc. And I never spoke or wrote ant revelation. I just said I knew how it worked. Please get you facts straight and cease with the ignorant comments.
I cannot abide the way they're redoing sacred hymns. Not only because it seems disrespectful (to me) but because they're butchering it! She sounds like she is in severe pain...
If it is natural, how come medical science does not have a clue how it happens? They are totally baffled by spontaneous remission of cancer. All they can do is stand by in wonder.
The silly questions, negative, looking for 'dirt', that John Dehlin asked Bro. Kimball were very telling of where Dehlin is in his life. If he had simply let Bro. Kimball speak this would have been an amazing interview. Dehlin is clearly not an intellectual, he's just a soon to be ex-mormon if he's not already. His true colors come through.
Revelation absolutely does exist. It may not exist to you because you have never experienced it. Love does not exist for those who have never loved. You have to experience it to really know it and really understand it. It is much more than mere head knowledge. Computers retain facts, but they can never love. You lack wisdom and understanding. That is unfortunate for you.
you say the Joseph Smith is a false prophet yet you claim real revelation from the same myth, of course people should believe you and not Joseph because you are not a fraud. . . Wait same crap all claim
1 John 5:9 "If we receive the witness of men (the Book of Mormon), the witness of God (the Bible) is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." The witness of God is His Bible that He keeps reliable...the witness of men is the Book of Mormon, not sanctioned by John or God but makes "claims" to be "another testimony of Jesus Christ". God has already spoken through John in the Bible, no second false witness need insert itself over the Word of God. You are asking to be burned in hell-fire for eternity.
You realize “The Bible” isn’t one book, right? The Bible is the organization of 66 different books into one group by the Catholic Church over 200 years after Christ’s death.
you are talking about the god of the gaps! nothing more, once science gets the answer you will find a new gap, but as the time goes by, your god has less places to hide. But thats what you get when you have a fictional character for a god
I was one of Edward Kimball's teaching assistants years ago, and I am a former member of the Mormon Church. Re President Spencer W. Kimball's correct decision to overturn the Mormon Church's discrimination against blacks: I do not fault the LDS members. Nor do I fault Joseph Smith, who had no such view of blacks, or the Book of Mormon, which teaches that all, black and white, are children of God. I fault the Mormon Church's leadership, since Joseph Smith. While this video is interesting, it does not address the real questions. Here are the real questions: What did Joseph Smith mean when, speaking to the LDS people, he said, "You don’t know me; you never knew my heart. No man knows my history. I cannot tell it: I shall never undertake it." What did Joseph Smith know that would have got him killed by his brethren, the Mormon leadership, allegedly "under" Joseph Smith? "Brethren, if I were to tell you all I know of the kingdom of God, I do know that you would rise up and kill me." What revelations could the Latter-Day Saints not bear? "If I was to show the Latter Day Saints all the revelations that the Lord has shown unto me, there is scarce a man that would stay with me, they could not bear it" Who was Joseph and what did he know that would have caused his brethren to take his life? "“Would to God, brethren, I could tell you WHO I am! Would to God I could tell you WHAT I know! But you would call it blasphemy and want to take my life!" If one can answer these questions for the world, including the current membership of the Mormon Church, then that person will doing a service for your fellow men. Until then, I fear you will make the mistake that millions of Mormons make: assuming that if Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, then the Mormon Church must be true. But Joseph NEVER wanted to organize a church around his message; he suffered it because the members wanted it; "God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble” (Jacob 4:14). Joseph Smith NEVER wanted to call the initial Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. The Three Witnesses chose the Twelve. Joseph Smith was a true prophet. The Book of Mormon is true. But the Mormon Church and the Mormon leadership since Joseph Smith are FALSE.
+John Lee Thank you, dear BROTHER John, for your response. I am one of the weak and unstable, confused and vulnerable people who left the Mormon Church. But I left after 30 years, and ONLY after I learned for myself that the Mormon leaders are NOT prophets, seers and revelators, following the death of our prophet Joseph Smith. I have filled most ward and stake assignments for the Mormon Church, which Joseph never wanted his brethren to set up and embrace. It is difficult to live the Mormon lifestyle because the lifestyle is ordered by the commandments of men. Yes, it is a religion that demands active participation, but as the Son of God told Joseph Smith, ALL religions are corrupt, whether or not they attempt to organize around some of the principles Joseph Smith taught. I am glad you are OK that we leave. I do not bash FAITH; I bash the men in leadership who claim to have the priesthood of God, the same priesthood that Joseph wanted women as well as men to possess (notice both men and women are clothed in the robes of the PRIESTHOOD in the temple.) I will leave the Church alone; but I will not leave behind the VERY QUESTIONS that I have asked about what Joseph meant concerning his brethren and the LDS Church. Judge not, dear brother, which will cause you to be judged by the same measure you judge. Unless you can answer the specific questions I have raised, no one here needs to know of your judgments towards your fellow men and women.
"I fault the Mormon Church's leadership, since Joseph Smith." For what? Being men of their time? The Church was fighting just to survive during the 19th century. The 20th was better but still a time of persecution, rejection, ridicule, and lies about the Church. The Church was still small for most of the 20th century as it slowly grew outside of the Intermountain West. Blacks were not banging on the doors to get in. So I can see where the issue of Blacks and the PH was not a high priority demanding their attention. Can you honestly say that you would have acted any differently had you grown up in their time and in the prevailing American culture, stripped of your 21st century self-righteous attitudes and predilections about race? Certainly the Mormon Church's history vis-a-vis racism is no worse than other American churches and institutions.
Joseph Smith claims to have talked with God face to face. I would expect both he and Brigham Young would not just not be men of their time. The worst part of the priesthood ban was there was no revelation from God. Brigham Young just instituted the ban in 1949 based on the false doctrine of connecting the curse of Cain to African blacks. Some say the ban was in place since Cain, yet the bible does not link the curse to African blacks. It only states that Cain was marked. It does not even say specifically what the mark was. Joseph Smith in the book of Moses defined the mark as a black skin. However, he said nothing about African blacks. There are black or dark people that are not African. I no longer believe in the Book of Moses or the Book of Abraham. But regardless, even those scriptures do not apply the curse specifically to African blacks. It only references a black/dark skin. And if the curse remained in place from the beginning, then Joseph Smith screwed up by ordaining several black men to the priesthood. But I believe it was Brother Brigham that screwed up. He was a product of his time and he falsely and wrongly connected the curse of Cain through the curse of Ham to justify his action. There are many public statements made by Brigham Young regarding this subject. Oddly, the curse of Ham has nothing to do with the curse of Cain. Noah cursed Ham, not God. But that is a side note. And the fact remains that there was no revelation rebuking Joseph Smith for ordaining black men to the priest and then forbidding further ordination. Brother Brigham instituted the Priesthood ban all on his own. No matter how you spin it, it was a mistake and the Church essays and other official statements condemn the fact that it ever happened.
This was my biggest problem with the church. Racism first off, why is god racist? Science knows why skin color is the was it is. Why wouldn’t the all knowing god explain this simple fact to Jesus or one of his many prophets? Would have taken 10 seconds. Nope. Not important enough? And what a coincidence that it was “revealed” during the civil rights movement. If that movement didn’t happen the “revelation” would have never come. I found out about this 6-8 months in and was out a month later. When men want to be as powerful as (the concept of) a god. Imo gods were created to answer the unknown. Some humans need the answer about everything. I’m fine with saying I don’t know. It’s the truth for everyone yet some still need the answer. What a kind and intelligent man. A great resource for the LDS and everyone who’s interested in church history. I didn’t choose to be interested but I am. 😂🍻 Wish every member would watch these videos
Aw you can tell how much he loved his dad. Religious questions aside, it’s nice to hear such a thoughtful reminiscence of a warm and loving father, very sweet
Spencer W Kimball was my Stake President in Morenci AZ. He came to our home when my father was Branch President. He assisted my parents in getting the necessary gasoline stamps for our move to California in 1943. My brother had been born with heart defects. We had been advised by the family doctor of the necessity to move to a lower elevation to extend his life. I will always him as a compassionate 'minister'.
a good thoughtful man...sincerely defending a father he loved...well handled.
I remember reading 'One Silent, Sleepless Night' years ago. It served to humanize a figure who seemed bigger than life. This interview added a heartfelt dimension to the man behind the story.
I just loved Pres. Kimball- such a great interview
Just seeing Edward reminds me of his father. It seems like just yesterday. Thank you for sharing your story and insight Edward. I enjoyed hearing about your mother as well.
We knew President Kimball loved All of Us because of his love for Jesus. Pres. Kimball was a living example of that love.
We were blessed to have had some of those Indian school children as friends.
I often wonder how they are doing. Fanny Begay was my older sister's classmate. Hello to Fanny.
Thank you so much for your time,great interview
Edward Kimball was our Bishop in the Oak Hills Provo Ward while I attended BYU with 4 children as a young divorced woman. My mother had polio too.
Wow!
I loved Spencer W. Kimball.. and Edward has the exact same soft whistle in his voice that his father had!😊
Spencer W Kimball, my favorite Prophet of God's church ❤nice family
thats my great Grandpa Edward.
I loved that he said that his father always kissed him . My father always kissed us too!! Before bed , before departure or separation of any kind. Till the day he died and I was 21 yrs old at that time. There were 8 of us kids . my father was a very loving man and was 6ft 4in tall and 250lbs but not embarrassed to show affection. It's been 20yrs today that my father passed away . what a sweet memory for me to have been reminded of on this day by this video. So glad I watched it . 😊
He seems like a truly truly great man
@150509iceangel you should be on Mormon Stories too
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mr. Kimball is a breath of fresh air in an LDS society that seems over-populated by ignorance.
Interesting that his mother said that he had polio because he caught the germ when my HP group leader, a couple of years ago, refused to give me a blessing of healing because each and every of my medical problems were caused.by my actions. Should have asked him what sin I commuted to warrant being in the hospital at 6 weeks of age with pneumonia. Just for instance.
At 15:37 Henry Eyring is mentioned. Last I checked, there was a science building at Brigham Young University named after Eyring.
Truth is hate to those who hate the truth.
Dude, you were young when this was done. 🙂
What emerges from the cases I have cited is that if we divide diseases into those that may, no matter how rarely, recover spontaneously and those that do not, we must place cancer in the "may recover" category. This means that cancer cures, no matter how gratifying to patients who experience them and to their relatives, are not necessarily miraculous. They lie within the boundaries of the natural world.
Holy crap he sounds just like Ballard! 😳
I thought the same thing!
Exactly what I thought
If LDS are doing it to "earn" salvation, they don't understand church doctrine and do it for the wrong reasons. It should be done for love of the Savior
Mixed babies are beautiful...
I’m related to Heber Chase Kimball I’m the 6th great grand daughter Helen kimball Orgill is my great grandmother
My great Uncle is Lindy Orgill and Aunt Karen Orgill
I was on my mission when the announcement of the Priesthood came I saw it on the doorstep and started calling local leaders and the my Mission President they said they were unaware but it was in the paper. We were baptizing a personal friend of Ezra T, Benson she wanted to call him directly we declined. As we were filling the Baptismal font with warm water we stoped and decided to ask the Lord for His direction. We went to separate Class rooms in a phase one Chapel about 30 minutes south from South Bend , Indiana. We met a few minutes later with tears running down our cheeks. We had our answer. We were bathed in peace, love and light from our Heavenly Father. This witness confirmed what we already knew that our God in Heaven loves and seeks to lift all of His children home ! We never doubted our answer and taught the truth of the revelation before the official printing .
Bless you. What a wonderful story and experience you both had.
I guess I don’t understand why they needed “revelation” to do the right thing-giving Black people the priesthood. I thought God didn’t discriminate. Shouldn’t they always had the priesthood?
If you believe the Bible, God has traditionally only entrusted certain tribes with His priesthood. In the New Testament, Jesus commanded his apostles to preach to the Gentiles. Up until that point, only the Jews were allowed the priesthood.
@@tyronebiggums1047 Simon the Canaanite was of black skin and Jewish and was an Apostle of Jesus
T. Also when Jesus died on the Cross the Temple curtain was torn from top to bottom ending sacrifice and the end of the Temple. The Lord in 70 A.D. put a end to the sanctuary on earth
The Lord Jesus is our authority
Christ is our mediator to the Father
All men and woman that surrender to Christ are Priest and Priestess
Joseph Smith did receive the revelation of priesthood for all men, and he did ! But after with B Y things changed...
@@federicoeco9030 I don't believe that Smith had any authority and I believe your Apostles And Prophets have the authority of Kenneth Copeland. Zero
The only one that is in charge of Christ church is Christ himself
@@binren3984 who is that guy ?
Wow I didn’t know the LDS had the Indian placement program. I know there is a lot of information swirling around about residential schools and the Catholic Church. I know that some reservations have restrictions on missionaries now. I also know the Blackfeet for example, only let members of their tribe adopt children, no outsiders.
I joined the church the latter part of when David O’Mckay was the church president. Then later when Spencer W. Kimball was the prophet he came to my foster parent’s house. I felt i was in the presence of God. He edified and continued to uplift us throughout his presidency. I got into personal progress type of activities. I was not in some kind of cultural genocide as mentioned but yes i took on opportunities available to me. I am a retired teacher and owe the great influences of high school experiences and college. Interracial marriage would have been difficult. I wanted to marry someone who would appreciate my mother, cultural practices and language. My “Indian” 45:48 upbringing is so deeply ingrained that my white partner would be left out totally. The placement program added to my being who i have become. I am very thankful for great foster parents. Love you dearly.
In summary, then, while the mechanisms of spontaneous remission are by no means fully understood, there are plausible suggestions to explain the phenomenon.
Great
Not really sure what you are trying to say. All prophets are called. President Kimball, and all prophets, prophecy and preach repentance and to come to Christ.
A number of papers discuss possible mechanisms by which spontaneous remission of cancer might occur. The most popular suggestion is some form of immunological reaction, though this is still unproven (Lokich J, 1997; Heim ME, Kobele C, 1995). There seems to be a connection between fever and remission of cancer (Murakawa M et al., 1990); fever in childhood or adulthood may protect against the later onset of cancer and spontaneous remissions are often preceded by feverish infections Kleef R et 2001
The truth is found in Christ.
My entire comment is 100% truth. It is absolute proven fact.
Hmm lets see: Acts 15:24
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment
He reminds me of Bill Murray.
Yeah he does, I feel like Bill M is talking!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Instead, members depend on faith healers called practitioners whose training consists of a brief period of religious tutelage and whose treatment is limited exclusively to praying.
Seventy percent of Cuba's population at the time Mr. Kimball talks about was Caucasian, albeit of Spanish ancestry.
I don't get it.. he says his father was born in 1898... but the internet keeps telling me 1895?
Are these works only done as a sign of appreciation or is it required?
Listening to his description of his father's time of prophets makes me feel so stupid for ever believing that prophets literally see and talk to God
Where does it mention this? That's something Ive thought of also
WHY?Would you say this?
Of course one cannot prove miracles do not exist, but apart from the well known difficulty of proving a negative one does not have that burden, which is actually on the claimant. Invariably, when we subtract the cases which have been clearly disproved, or which have plausible counter- explanations, or that are inadmissible because they cannot be substantiated, there seems insufficient grounds for invoking a miracle.
@NatishaAngell I agree. Dehlin asked if he felt anyone could have been the prophet or if he felt that President Kimball was set apart. Of course, he was foreordained to be the prophet.
Which is what you’ve been taught to say yes
@@OS-yf3ko Don't care what you think
really? obviously you did not read my post, "his means that cancer cures, no matter how gratifying to patients who experience them and to their relatives, are not necessarily miraculous. They lie within the boundaries of the natural world."
Joey boy had the young ones that is for sure, the new evidence is showing that instead of 14 the youngest wife was 11, that flipped me out.
You have no idea how revelation is given.
???? When his Dad told him how it works? I would think Spencer W Kimball knew a little about how it worked. And I’m an ex-mo. Spencer Kimball was the only President of the church while I was a member.
Of the pianos of the same name.
The BoM uses word for word quotations in Elizabethan English which did not even exist at the time of the supposed writing of these texts. charity sufferth long, and is kind, and envieth not,...is not puffed up,...seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things,...hopeth all things, endurth all th ings (Moroni 7:45)
Verbatim wording in the KJV - 1 Cor 13:4-7. That is a proven plagiarism proving fraud.
Leave this to the grownups, your not qualified.
Bull-Larry!
Ted. Any wife would recognize God.
[NOTES: Hates: Mal. 1-2,3, Rom. 9:11-13. Love: Deut. 7:13. Anger: Ex. 4:14. Compassion: Ps. 111:4. Favorite: Ex. 3:21. Chosen people: Is. 44:2. Angry: Deut. 9:20, 1 Kin. 11:9, etc. Enraged: 1 Sam. 6:19. Swears: Gen. 12:3. Destroys things: Gen. 6:17. Pouts: Ex. 32:9-10. Shouts: Ps. 47:5. Deceives: Jer. 20:7. Rests: Gen. 2:2]
Thats the god you worship, a god with attributes of primitive man, a god who did change as society as all the other fictional gods
The interviewer’s questions are way too long. So distracting.
Christian & Holistic Counseling Services what? I have never felt this in many many hours of watching. He’s a sincere and curious person and is part of the conversation.
In your mind only.
1) "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
WHERE ARE THE MORmON gODS?
(2) "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
WHEN WAS WERE THE MORmON gODS FORMED?
(3) "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
DOES MY GOD NOT KNOW THE MORmON gODS?
The Mormon God is GOD. Who's yours?
Dave Richards nuh... mormon god..counterfeit..mormon jesus....counterfeit...mormon gospel ....counterfeit
Dave Richards sorry, but mormons do believe in a different God and Jesus.
Rick McGhee Thanks Rick…right on the money. Unfortunately we often have to teach mormons mormonism for them to find that out.
bible nut
Revelation does not come in Elizabethan English word for word from The KJV. Ever heard of plagiarism? That is the ONLY possibility.
The case of remission following myxoedema coma (Hercbergs A 1999) suggests that hypothyroidism may trigger apoptosis (cell death) in tumours Yet another idea is that DNA methylation, which is involved in cell differentiation, may play a part (Sugimura T Ushijama T, 2000). And there is a long-standing impression that psychological influences are important (Heim M. Schwarz R 2000 Heim ME, Kobele C, 1995); certainly it is known that the nervous system influences the functioning of the immune system
ummmm... not true. They strive to show appreciation for what Christ has done. Impossible to work your way to heaven. LDS are taught this and should know this. The work is showing our appreciation and love to God for what Christ has done.
The snake-oil salesman of folk cult faith, Joseph Smith was a true master. The sales continue and the suckers are plenty. Where else can a con man get away with amassing wealth, 34 woman and girls, appoint himself a general, a king, a prophet, and better than Jesus? Amazing that this is still pulling in the money of the seekers.
Wow I would prefer to listen to you who spews nothing but hate for an ordinary man and hatred for your fellow man, no thanks
Barbara Shortt OBrien Thank you so much.
Troll much?
Kevin Butler Soon-to-be-x-mormon says what?
Wow, very negative comment there and very , well I highly and respectfully disagree with it. blessings
I am not making money, taking multiple wives, writing a new bible, starting a "restored" church, claiming God and angels came to see me, etc etc etc. And I never spoke or wrote ant revelation. I just said I knew how it worked. Please get you facts straight and cease with the ignorant comments.
I cannot abide the way they're redoing sacred hymns. Not only because it seems disrespectful (to me) but because they're butchering it! She sounds like she is in severe pain...
If it is natural, how come medical science does not have a clue how it happens? They are totally baffled by spontaneous remission of cancer. All they can do is stand by in wonder.
Hebrews 1 NEVER says there would not be prophets in the future. You antis use that verse all the time, but incorrectly.
cool...! where?
Really? Where do you see that in the Bible?
Wow... an Osmond family member?
No
The silly questions, negative, looking for 'dirt', that John Dehlin asked Bro. Kimball were very telling of where Dehlin is in his life. If he had simply let Bro. Kimball speak this would have been an amazing interview. Dehlin is clearly not an intellectual, he's just a soon to be ex-mormon if he's not already. His true colors come through.
actually he miss-propecized, remember the Hoffmann afair?. Such dupes
oooh we all come from another planet. it must be true cause a known fantasist told us.
Revelation absolutely does exist. It may not exist to you because you have never experienced it. Love does not exist for those who have never loved. You have to experience it to really know it and really understand it. It is much more than mere head knowledge. Computers retain facts, but they can never love. You lack wisdom and understanding. That is unfortunate for you.
That sounds like really cheap televangelism... the primitive church had some kind of leadership and organization....
you say the Joseph Smith is a false prophet yet you claim real revelation from the same myth, of course people should believe you and not Joseph because you are not a fraud. . . Wait same crap all claim
And?????
1 John 5:9 "If we receive the witness of men (the Book of Mormon), the witness of God (the Bible) is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son." The witness of God is His Bible that He keeps reliable...the witness of men is the Book of Mormon, not sanctioned by John or God but makes "claims" to be "another testimony of Jesus Christ". God has already spoken through John in the Bible, no second false witness need insert itself over the Word of God. You are asking to be burned in hell-fire for eternity.
I suggest you carefully study the testimony of all 12 witnesses of the BoM. After that carefully study 3rd Nephi. God really testifies of the the BoM.
You realize “The Bible” isn’t one book, right? The Bible is the organization of 66 different books into one group by the Catholic Church over 200 years after Christ’s death.
you are talking about the god of the gaps! nothing more, once science gets the answer you will find a new gap, but as the time goes by, your god has less places to hide. But thats what you get when you have a fictional character for a god
Leave this conversation to the adults. You’re obviously not qualified.
I was one of Edward Kimball's teaching assistants years ago, and I am a former member of the Mormon Church.
Re President Spencer W. Kimball's correct decision to overturn the Mormon Church's discrimination against blacks:
I do not fault the LDS members. Nor do I fault Joseph Smith, who had no such view of blacks, or the Book of Mormon, which teaches that all, black and white, are children of God. I fault the Mormon Church's leadership, since Joseph Smith.
While this video is interesting, it does not address the real questions. Here are the real questions:
What did Joseph Smith mean when, speaking to the LDS people, he said, "You don’t know me; you never knew my heart. No man knows my history. I cannot tell it: I shall never undertake it."
What did Joseph Smith know that would have got him killed by his brethren, the Mormon leadership, allegedly "under" Joseph Smith? "Brethren, if I were to tell you all I know of the kingdom of God, I do know that you would rise up and kill me."
What revelations could the Latter-Day Saints not bear? "If I was to show the Latter Day Saints all the revelations that the Lord has shown unto me, there is scarce a man that would stay with me, they could not bear it"
Who was Joseph and what did he know that would have caused his brethren to take his life? "“Would to God, brethren, I could tell you WHO I am! Would to God I could tell you WHAT I know! But you would call it blasphemy and want to take my life!"
If one can answer these questions for the world, including the current membership of the Mormon Church, then that person will doing a service for your fellow men. Until then, I fear you will make the mistake that millions of Mormons make: assuming that if Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon is the word of God, then the Mormon Church must be true. But Joseph NEVER wanted to organize a church around his message; he suffered it because the members wanted it; "God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble” (Jacob 4:14). Joseph Smith NEVER wanted to call the initial Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. The Three Witnesses chose the Twelve. Joseph Smith was a true prophet. The Book of Mormon is true. But the Mormon Church and the Mormon leadership since Joseph Smith are FALSE.
+John Lee Thank you, dear BROTHER John, for your response. I am one of the weak and unstable, confused and vulnerable people who left the Mormon Church. But I left after 30 years, and ONLY after I learned for myself that the Mormon leaders are NOT prophets, seers and revelators, following the death of our prophet Joseph Smith. I have filled most ward and stake assignments for the Mormon Church, which Joseph never wanted his brethren to set up and embrace. It is difficult to live the Mormon lifestyle because the lifestyle is ordered by the commandments of men. Yes, it is a religion that demands active participation, but as the Son of God told Joseph Smith, ALL religions are corrupt, whether or not they attempt to organize around some of the principles Joseph Smith taught. I am glad you are OK that we leave. I do not bash FAITH; I bash the men in leadership who claim to have the priesthood of God, the same priesthood that Joseph wanted women as well as men to possess (notice both men and women are clothed in the robes of the PRIESTHOOD in the temple.) I will leave the Church alone; but I will not leave behind the VERY QUESTIONS that I have asked about what Joseph meant concerning his brethren and the LDS Church. Judge not, dear brother, which will cause you to be judged by the same measure you judge. Unless you can answer the specific questions I have raised, no one here needs to know of your judgments towards your fellow men and women.
+John Lee THANK YOU BROTHER. An AWESOME response. Take care my friend. We shall meet again some day.
"I fault the Mormon Church's leadership, since Joseph Smith." For what? Being men of their time? The Church was fighting just to survive during the 19th century. The 20th was better but still a time of persecution, rejection, ridicule, and lies about the Church. The Church was still small for most of the 20th century as it slowly grew outside of the Intermountain West. Blacks were not banging on the doors to get in. So I can see where the issue of Blacks and the PH was not a high priority demanding their attention. Can you honestly say that you would have acted any differently had you grown up in their time and in the prevailing American culture, stripped of your 21st century self-righteous attitudes and predilections about race? Certainly the Mormon Church's history vis-a-vis racism is no worse than other American churches and institutions.
k; take care, my friend; I don't pick fights.
Joseph Smith claims to have talked with God face to face. I would expect both he and Brigham Young would not just not be men of their time. The worst part of the priesthood ban was there was no revelation from God. Brigham Young just instituted the ban in 1949 based on the false doctrine of connecting the curse of Cain to African blacks. Some say the ban was in place since Cain, yet the bible does not link the curse to African blacks. It only states that Cain was marked. It does not even say specifically what the mark was. Joseph Smith in the book of Moses defined the mark as a black skin. However, he said nothing about African blacks. There are black or dark people that are not African. I no longer believe in the Book of Moses or the Book of Abraham. But regardless, even those scriptures do not apply the curse specifically to African blacks. It only references a black/dark skin. And if the curse remained in place from the beginning, then Joseph Smith screwed up by ordaining several black men to the priesthood. But I believe it was Brother Brigham that screwed up. He was a product of his time and he falsely and wrongly connected the curse of Cain through the curse of Ham to justify his action. There are many public statements made by Brigham Young regarding this subject. Oddly, the curse of Ham has nothing to do with the curse of Cain. Noah cursed Ham, not God. But that is a side note. And the fact remains that there was no revelation rebuking Joseph Smith for ordaining black men to the priest and then forbidding further ordination. Brother Brigham instituted the Priesthood ban all on his own. No matter how you spin it, it was a mistake and the Church essays and other official statements condemn the fact that it ever happened.
So? Again, ever hear of something called revelation?
FALSE!!
You found an absolute lie.
This was my biggest problem with the church. Racism first off, why is god racist? Science knows why skin color is the was it is. Why wouldn’t the all knowing god explain this simple fact to Jesus or one of his many prophets? Would have taken 10 seconds. Nope. Not important enough? And what a coincidence that it was “revealed” during the civil rights movement. If that movement didn’t happen the “revelation” would have never come. I found out about this 6-8 months in and was out a month later. When men want to be as powerful as (the concept of) a god. Imo gods were created to answer the unknown. Some humans need the answer about everything. I’m fine with saying I don’t know. It’s the truth for everyone yet some still need the answer.
What a kind and intelligent man. A great resource for the LDS and everyone who’s interested in church history. I didn’t choose to be interested but I am. 😂🍻
Wish every member would watch these videos
The second is not being Biblical. Heretical teachings and denying who Jesus is makes it a heathen religion.
I found the truth.
infidels org/kiosk/article674.html
lol
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All these people on here are hearing a man who loves his father, I hear a man who is racist
You are way off!! No one has proven the Book of Mormon to be false. Doesn't matter if the Bible didn't exist yet. Ever hear of revelation?
It broke my heart but despite my best efforts, I finally had to face the truth and admit it is absolutely a work of fiction.
You two talking about this subject just feels like the height of privilege
The whole Devil was made up, you can watch this one here on you tube, /watch?v=a5mYFJ4irxM but just like hell was made up, so was heaven
The LDS Church is God's church, Joseph Smith was a true prophet, Book of Mormon is True.
False. cesletter.org
Your entire comment is false.