the big gimmick of the wheel is the pebble avoidance. I was waiting to see you line up a row of pebbles and skate on to them with regular wheels (confirm they stop wheels) and then line them up again and skate over them with the shark wheels to see if they really do eliminate pebble problems.
They cant eliminate pebble problems. It's straight math, they have what 25-33% less surface area? So any rock that will fit in the groove has a smaller chance of being hit. Also the 2mm circumference is only 1mm increased ride height from the hub. Maybe less depending on if these wheels are less hard than your current ones. Or the increased pressure from the missing material allows it to compress to a similar "working diameter" under load.
@@milescarter7803 The point is not that you won't hit rocks, but that the rocks you hit will have somewhere to go so less likely to act like a wedge and stop your wheel from rolling.
@@howardb.6205 It's obviously not about the weight... They are softer wheels with grooves that guide any pebbles away, meaning in _theory_ you should trip over rocks less. But in reality, it doesn't quite work so well I would say. Also, softer wheels really do make certain tricks way harder to pull off. It's not comparable to harder normal wheels at all. Especially if you also count slideability on ledges and so on. I'd go with a high quality 95a or 93a wheel if the surface is very rough, but stick with normal wheels. People also are sleeping on using a decent set of riser pads combined with hard wheels.
@@PHeMoX yeah seems like a gimmick tbh, I've been riding bonus x-formula 54s right now and they are surprisingly nice on rougher surfaces, though I just ordered some 56s for an 8.75 inch deck I'm building for when I cruise around the lake bike path in my town with my 20lb dog. When he gets tired I just pick him up and carve for awhile.
@@PHeMoX I've been riding long/short boards with a few sizes of shark wheels for ~10 years now and they definitely spit rocks out of the way no problem and handle rough roads nicely. Granted my prior wheel experience was limited to a few unknowns and the Orangutanss I'd been riding before. Though having tried the park shark wheels I can't say they're worth it at all to me. They felt harder and more slippery than I was used to and the single wave didn't really do anything to push out rocks which was the whole draw for me in the first place.
I actually like to think a 2mm diameter difference is really just 1mm radius change, which is, but sometimes that detail gets lost/confused. For instance, one is 1mm higher off the floor when sizing up like that.
You also need to account for increased pressure and deflection because of missing surface area. I am guessing it is less than 1mm different when loaded than a similar hardness wheel.
My best friends name is John M. Hill. I bought a Revive Tech Deck of yours some years ago. The peticular deck had the lifeline across the board, but where the lines came up in the center formed an M. So I gave it to my buddy, he certainly thought it was awesome.
I've been skating on and off since '98. When I first started out I rode 56mm 85A. I never had a problem with pebbles but, the softer wheels really affected my ability to gain and maintain speed. After I moved on to harder wheels the vibrations in my feet and adjusting to the pebbles was jarring but, the speed was amazing. Now I ride 52-54mm wheels and prefer 99-101A. The smaller wheels help a lot to prevent wheel bites but, are more susceptible to getting stopped by pebbles. I would definitely recommend softer, larger wheels for beginners if they don't have access to a skatepark or at least smooth surfaces to skate on.
you're so consistent and clean with your skateboarding. i would really love to see a video part of some sort from you, man. your talents need to shine.
John, thanks man. Currently going through a break up but your videos have been a light of positivity for me and have been inspiring my creative side as well thank you.
Due it’s so awesome to see how far you’ve come over the years! I started watching watching you probably 7-8 years ago. I’ve been out of the skating community for a while now and coming back to see you with over a million subs is wild! So happy for you man. Been watching again for a few days and I’m feeling motivated to get back on the board!
I ride an electric board everyday as my car. Wheels are 90mm 78A. In the e-board world there are Cloudwheels which are a hybrid: downhill wheel meets all terrain tire like a scooter. But I really like "skateboard" wheels on my eboard. They keep contact with the ground. Just today I rolled over roughly 1000 rocks and pebbles in an 8 mile journey. These wheels would be perfect for me. I could still feel the ground like flat downhill type wheels but roll over rocks especially at slow speeds. So cool.
Makes sense about having a smaller footprint to avoid stopping to pebbles. For instance, I do inline skate and I never ever got stopped by pebbles. In fact, I hear them pinging like a ricocheting bullet when I hit them. You need to test both wheels with a bunch of pebbles on the floor for a demo to be valid.
The old school Hubba 38-48mm in 99A is how I learned blunts. I still skate 48-50mm 88-99a. Keep spreading the love and knowledge brother, thank you for being YOU.
Casual John Hill viewer here. I know this is skateboarding channel in which he claims to have quit skateboarding a few times but still uploads skateboarding content immediately after. I feel like he would excel in a podcast style content
That's kind of why I hate his channel tbh. I know there are some die hard fans here, and yes, he's really good, but he goes on a rant where he quits because he's gotten all he can get out of skating, there's no where for him to progress to, etc., and then 1 week later there's more content and a video titled "I'm back!" or some sht. Makes me wonder if it's for attention and more viewers. 🤔
Great review John. I'm a big fan of 53mm - 54mm.. I usually buy 54 knowing that they'll be 53mm in no time at all, it also helps get a little more juice out of a set. As for size differences, If I have worn down to 50mm and then put on some 55mm I notice an instant improvement in pop height but also notice a higher likelihood of ghost pop when my legs are tired or I am not feeling it. I'd say 52mm is better for more consistency, balance and if feeling lazy on the legs, while 54 gives a little extra pop/speed, but there is a chance of less consistency, especially for beginners, those who have tired legs or brains, or those who can't get out to skate regularly enough to maintain a super refined technique or who have health problems that limit skate session time.
Back in the 80's they used to have almost the same wheels out, but they were called tubes, or toobs. They were really wide and probably 62 diameter or so. They didn't catch on at all, but weird and interesting back then. I never rode them personally, but knew a guy that had them for a minute and I rode his board once. They were smooth, but too wide for my taste
They also make a difference when you're going long distances, I used to skate the boardwalk with them and they would roll forever, just also pump when moving
We rode Bullet 66's back in the late 1980's. Better speed, better on rough streets, and betterwhen doing curb tricks. The larger wheels took a little getting used to, but were so much better than the ridiculous tiny wheels that came out later in the 1990's.
Sometimes I ride over pebbles on purpose, just to see them getting kicked away 😅 My transport vehicle is a vert deck with avenue trucks and larger/softer shark wheels.
shark wheels were actually clutch as hell, they really do help with pebbles. I got a lot of comments on them when i was riding around on em. They wore out a bit quicker but that's alright by me. I was really glad it wasn't a gimmick and actually worked pretty well. Also they were able to work slightly better if you happened to go off road as well.
I used Shark Wheels early on when I was in college on my longboard to get around campus. The campus was predominantly covered with sidewalks that had the pebbles cemented into it, making my regular wheels bog down within 15 feet and the ride was not smooth at all. When I switched to Shark Wheels, it was almost like riding on smooth pavement again. They were amazing for cutting out friction on strange surfaces like that, but I could not feel any difference when on smooth pavement.
Did you ever feel like you hit a pebble with the flat part of the wheel and rolled slightly side ways as the pebble pushed you laterally while it slid into the grove of the wheel? Or just ever feel the pebbles in any way at all when they were hit by the flat spot of the wheel?
Ok, so: I don't know anything about skating, and i don't know why youtube recommended me such a hypespecific video on that topic. Anyways what I actually wanted to say: your editor deserves a raise for your trick-montages. The way he synced you up with the music made it sound like you were almost playing an instrument to the music. Bravo! 👏
The camera angle w the steam roller and your hatch open had me confused. I thought those concrete forms and supports were new buildings going up. Perspective had me shook! Great vid, as usual!
The idea for me, as a 1980s vert skater, that anyone would use a harder wheel than 92 or 95 on street is crazy. Anything over 95 is for ramp or park only.
I've done the homework. I skate mostly crusty street spots. Powell dragon wheels 52 or 54mm 93dur. Ricta cloud 52 or 54 92. They still slide and significantly smooth out a crusty run-up
I think a problem may happen with these wheels is reduced surface from the furrow means increased pressure on the area contacting the ground (the less surface the higher the pressure at equal forces, think of a finger pushing against your skin and then a needle pushing with same force) which I believe could lead to decreased wheel lifespan. If they really do help with pebbles I suppose it could offset the need to change them more often, asuming their lifespan is shorter which may not be the case.
For those curious, 2mm is literally 1/5th of a CENTIMETER. Whoever claims they notice a “huge difference” in anything under like a 5mm change or 1/2cm. If you remember 1cm is equal to 10mm it’s simple to keep track of. I only know this from bmx parts like the Stem and Bars and Cranks and shit that are all in different mm measurements.
Wheels feel different for many reasons other than the size. Most 54s are also wider than most 52s, so there is that variable as well. The shape can be different too. Although I would say board shape and concave has a much more profound affect than trucks and wheels do
even more than that, 54 is actually only 1mm difference to a 52, if you looked at it like a compass NESW, you are expanding 1mm in each direction. So unless you are The Princess and the Pea on a skateboard, any difference (height wise) is in your head.
I never had the coordination and balance in my youth to ride a board standing up. (Found out a decade later I was standing all wrong on the worst board, which was 90% of my problem.) But, I did a lot of luge, or laying flat on my back at high speed. Once clocked doing 80km (50Mph) by a cop, and had my board confiscated mainly because of the stupidly dangerous place I was riding. That was on a long gentle slope. On steep hills, using how long the road was and a stop watch to time, we frequently hit 100-110kmh (62-68Mph). Years later, I replaced my dried out and cracked 80’s Kmart wheels for some decent quality inline skate wheels to increase the speed. I have never got around to losing my middle age spread and build the insane core strength needed to give them a try, so the board teases me every time I walk into the garage. I take my hat off to all the skaters out there who do tricks. You are amazing!
I believe there was a wheel from 89-90 that had a straight channel dug out of the wheel that santa cruz speed wheels did. Their mentality was less surface area=more speed retained which makes sense but eventually people just favored skinnier wheels as the years went on
You know you’ve been in the game a long time when you can’t remember if you already made a video for a concept(that little bit at the end) 😂 Good stuff John, I remember watching you skate these when they were first released back in the day. Oh, & Whenever someone complains about a 55mm wheel being too much of a size difference for them, you could always just say ‘I don’t notice because my deck is too big’.
I have moved to Bones X99 and X97. I think they are the best wheels I have skated in 6 years. I skate between a 54 and 56mm for street boards, I like the bigger wheels for locking in grinds. I skate up to a 64mm for the bowl. I started skating in the 80s so it just feels right for a bowl board.
I was making custom single ply longboards 25 years ago and designed and registered a way to tread (repeatedly) longboard wheels for the same purpose. Just never had the ability to bring it to market
in downhill skateboarding we would have competitions and the weather would always change day to day, if it was raining we would have rain wheels that we cut three or so grooves into so the water could pass through like tread on a tire. I wonder if in the rain the shark wheels would still grip instead of feeling like you're skateboarding on ice? would be cool to know!
Shark wheels are literally just rain wheels and nothing else in my own longboard experience. The promise better speed and slides and carving but it's only marketing.
the little nuances add up. lol I always scale all my set ups accordingly. 8.25 - 8.5 board I usually skate 52mm wheels or up to 55mm sometimes on a 8.5. skate a bigger board! if your riding 54mm wheels at least set up a 8.5 or 8.6 a lot of things involving wheels size have to do with proportions, a 54mm wheel on a 8.75 feels nice. just saying lol for instance anything above a 9.00, 60mm wheels feel amazing, nothing like a fat 9+ deck with some big "9" in trucks and and some 60mm Bones or Spitfires. oh gets me hyped lol
If anything, it looks like you're more stable on shark wheels. Which wasn't my initial guess knowing nothing about that new stuff, seemed counter-intuitive but actually makes a lot of sense. It's not like game changing or anything but it's those small incremental improvements that make board sports progress little by little and give us more freedom and potential for skills and creativity to flourish. Tbh people will soon buy these not even noticing the change ^^
@@samholdsworth420 yea mb i use those words interchangeably a lot. they often fulfill the same purpose in a song. you right tho. i guess the skateboard gave it a clappy quality
Hi! New skater here, I'm definitely curious about the shark wheels for rough terrain. Currently my preferences run: Cruising/off-roading: Spitfire 80HD or Bones ATV Street/Freestyle: Nano-Cubics 97a Pool/Transition: Pool Shark 84b I think I generally prefer a softer wheel cause I love to lean and pump. I can't do any flip tricks yet so take this with a grain of salt. I just started learning 180s and varials and the Pool Shark wheels help me slide around and do bigfoot tacks, but i wipe out when I try to push my board in a banked turn. I want to learn how to powerslide so I can bomb hills!
They used to have the edges of the wheels with those sinusoidal waves as well and it made the wheels appear as if they were squared off. I wonder if the trued up the edges because there was some shimmy or if they did it because it was turning people away that didn't understand it. The old ones at least had an identity but maybe too uncanny for some people
Wheel size doesn't bother me too much, I usually skate 52mm or 54mm. Hardness of the wheels never bugged me either. However, deck size does bug me. I prefer 7.75 which used to be considered on the larger side back when most people skated 7.5. I also hate a smaller tail than the nose. I prefer them to be the same size and I hate how hard it is to find decks like this.
Everyone has to try Shark Wheels, once, just because they look so differnt. They were a twist on the slotted rain wheels that longboarders make, but their marketing scheme of pebble deflection is somewhat new.
I got some for my long board and they absolutely sucked. I noticed no difference as far as rock problems. I took them off after 25 miles or so and they sit in my garage. They were supposed to have less rolling resistance, etc and there was no noticeable change
I always thought the rationale of these wheels just wouldn't work for street size/duro. The design, in theory, allows them to give more grip in wet patches which is useful for downhill, of course. Unfortunately, scaling down the wheel width for a street size and the fact it's now the hardest duro the company can provide means you don't have a usable amount of tread on the shark wheel to actually interact with wet patches, nor would it provide more/less grip than a regular street wheel, since it's no longer a soft wheel. I think the main advantage you could expect from this is the weight reduction, assuming you replace the same size wheel, which is so negligible though.
When comparing wheels you should definitely include the nano cubics. I don't known this for sure but because of the wider shape they should weigh more and the difference in size should be either amplified or negated depending on what you compare them to. What I'm saying is mass affects flick I guess.
One thing that I always see skaters misunderstanding is that a 2mm diameter difference in the wheel, equals to 1mm difference from the axle to the ground. If anyone says they feel that difference, they're lying.
Burbank cvs dock or what used to be known as savon dock. Crazy you are skating there. When I lived in California that was the meet up spot for local kids. Good times
"Feel like I fell out, not popped out" Bro I could not be fucked to give a bother about that LOL I'm on the board, wheels are rollin... I'm taking it XD
What’s funny is when I skate I typically have 52/53 and yeah there’s no difference in a 52-56 imo … however in bmx I went from 175mm cranks to 170mm cranks and the 5mm difference is extremely noticeable due to pedaling and responsiveness …
I've riding shark wheels for about 6 to 7 years now. I found them very early on. I have a set on every long board I own. Incredibly great for downhill bombs.
Where did you get these? I got some off of amazon and I noticed zero difference other than that they didn't ride as nicely. Almost makes me wonder if I got some kind of counterfeit. There were other people in the comments saying the same thing but there were were way more positive comments that said they were great
great video. I've seen a lot about these wheels. and haven't seen any real reason to ride them I'm to loyal to "Bones or OJs", your video seems un biased tho! honest and good review
i dont get the priciple of those wheels other than they have maybe a third less surface on the road. how do they cancel pebble stopping? and i think its just in your head that you can feel- 1-4 mm difference in your wheels radius...
Honestly have been slowly downsizing through the years. I believe I learned how to Kickflip on 56mm 89 duro and now ~13 years later I rock spitfire formula four’s 54mm 99a as I mostly skate street
I have one setup with 56mm SML coffee cruiser wheels that are like 80a or something, and one setup with 55mm Formula Four 99a wheels. Bigger wheels are so much more enjoyable to ride for me.
the big gimmick of the wheel is the pebble avoidance. I was waiting to see you line up a row of pebbles and skate on to them with regular wheels (confirm they stop wheels) and then line them up again and skate over them with the shark wheels to see if they really do eliminate pebble problems.
I dig the scientific approach!
Just youtube! There are videos of people skating pebbles with shark wheels.
Fr I thought the same
They cant eliminate pebble problems. It's straight math, they have what 25-33% less surface area? So any rock that will fit in the groove has a smaller chance of being hit. Also the 2mm circumference is only 1mm increased ride height from the hub. Maybe less depending on if these wheels are less hard than your current ones. Or the increased pressure from the missing material allows it to compress to a similar "working diameter" under load.
@@milescarter7803 The point is not that you won't hit rocks, but that the rocks you hit will have somewhere to go so less likely to act like a wedge and stop your wheel from rolling.
to anyone wondering, you can definitely do tricks on normal huge soft shark wheels too. they are fucking dope for cruising
I don’t see why you couldn’t?
I still don't get it?
They are lighter cause less material and that's the whole gimmick?
@@howardb.6205 It's obviously not about the weight... They are softer wheels with grooves that guide any pebbles away, meaning in _theory_ you should trip over rocks less. But in reality, it doesn't quite work so well I would say. Also, softer wheels really do make certain tricks way harder to pull off. It's not comparable to harder normal wheels at all. Especially if you also count slideability on ledges and so on. I'd go with a high quality 95a or 93a wheel if the surface is very rough, but stick with normal wheels. People also are sleeping on using a decent set of riser pads combined with hard wheels.
@@PHeMoX yeah seems like a gimmick tbh, I've been riding bonus x-formula 54s right now and they are surprisingly nice on rougher surfaces, though I just ordered some 56s for an 8.75 inch deck I'm building for when I cruise around the lake bike path in my town with my 20lb dog. When he gets tired I just pick him up and carve for awhile.
@@PHeMoX I've been riding long/short boards with a few sizes of shark wheels for ~10 years now and they definitely spit rocks out of the way no problem and handle rough roads nicely. Granted my prior wheel experience was limited to a few unknowns and the Orangutanss I'd been riding before.
Though having tried the park shark wheels I can't say they're worth it at all to me. They felt harder and more slippery than I was used to and the single wave didn't really do anything to push out rocks which was the whole draw for me in the first place.
the way you lined the sound of the board rolling and popping to the beat of the music was very enjoyable. Proper therapeutic shit that is.
that part pleasantly hit parts in my brain I didn't know existed.
Bro fr playing the skateboard
Whoever edited this video deserves a raise. It's such a small thing but syncing the music with the skating sounds was a really nice touch. Great vid!
The construction guy casually watching john 😂
Kickflips shovels.... 😁
mee too, rain day. hes clean with his tricks
HA, I do both too
ima electician hell yeah dude what trade u in brother
I am the construction guy omg I was wondering what he was filing lol
I actually like to think a 2mm diameter difference is really just 1mm radius change, which is, but sometimes that detail gets lost/confused. For instance, one is 1mm higher off the floor when sizing up like that.
its a mindgame. that little difference isnt there if you dont know it
I was going to make the same comment, but figured someone might have already pointed it out.
You also need to account for increased pressure and deflection because of missing surface area. I am guessing it is less than 1mm different when loaded than a similar hardness wheel.
My best friends name is John M. Hill. I bought a Revive Tech Deck of yours some years ago. The peticular deck had the lifeline across the board, but where the lines came up in the center formed an M. So I gave it to my buddy, he certainly thought it was awesome.
21 seconds in and all I can think of is nail clippers. 😱
I've been skating on and off since '98. When I first started out I rode 56mm 85A. I never had a problem with pebbles but, the softer wheels really affected my ability to gain and maintain speed. After I moved on to harder wheels the vibrations in my feet and adjusting to the pebbles was jarring but, the speed was amazing. Now I ride 52-54mm wheels and prefer 99-101A. The smaller wheels help a lot to prevent wheel bites but, are more susceptible to getting stopped by pebbles. I would definitely recommend softer, larger wheels for beginners if they don't have access to a skatepark or at least smooth surfaces to skate on.
you're so consistent and clean with your skateboarding. i would really love to see a video part of some sort from you, man. your talents need to shine.
John, thanks man. Currently going through a break up but your videos have been a light of positivity for me and have been inspiring my creative side as well thank you.
I appreciate the fact that whoever edited this put all the tricks in time with the music
Wheels? We should talk about those finger nails!
I know i wa completely distracted...
literally unwatchable
word yo
love how the music fits the ledge tricks!! feels amazing to watch 3:24
Due it’s so awesome to see how far you’ve come over the years! I started watching watching you probably 7-8 years ago. I’ve been out of the skating community for a while now and coming back to see you with over a million subs is wild! So happy for you man. Been watching again for a few days and I’m feeling motivated to get back on the board!
Bro. Those fingernails are wild
That editing with the music on the flat ledge was genius.
I ride an electric board everyday as my car. Wheels are 90mm 78A. In the e-board world there are Cloudwheels which are a hybrid: downhill wheel meets all terrain tire like a scooter. But I really like "skateboard" wheels on my eboard. They keep contact with the ground. Just today I rolled over roughly 1000 rocks and pebbles in an 8 mile journey. These wheels would be perfect for me. I could still feel the ground like flat downhill type wheels but roll over rocks especially at slow speeds. So cool.
Makes sense about having a smaller footprint to avoid stopping to pebbles. For instance, I do inline skate and I never ever got stopped by pebbles. In fact, I hear them pinging like a ricocheting bullet when I hit them. You need to test both wheels with a bunch of pebbles on the floor for a demo to be valid.
I’m sure roller blade wheels are softer
Fruit booter!
To be fair , the wheels probably have less friction than you 101A's. Because the contact area where the wheel is hitting the ground is smaller
So also wear down quickly
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The old school Hubba 38-48mm in 99A is how I learned blunts. I still skate 48-50mm 88-99a. Keep spreading the love and knowledge brother, thank you for being YOU.
Casual John Hill viewer here. I know this is skateboarding channel in which he claims to have quit skateboarding a few times but still uploads skateboarding content immediately after. I feel like he would excel in a podcast style content
That's kind of why I hate his channel tbh. I know there are some die hard fans here, and yes, he's really good, but he goes on a rant where he quits because he's gotten all he can get out of skating, there's no where for him to progress to, etc., and then 1 week later there's more content and a video titled "I'm back!" or some sht. Makes me wonder if it's for attention and more viewers. 🤔
Great review John. I'm a big fan of 53mm - 54mm.. I usually buy 54 knowing that they'll be 53mm in no time at all, it also helps get a little more juice out of a set. As for size differences, If I have worn down to 50mm and then put on some 55mm I notice an instant improvement in pop height but also notice a higher likelihood of ghost pop when my legs are tired or I am not feeling it. I'd say 52mm is better for more consistency, balance and if feeling lazy on the legs, while 54 gives a little extra pop/speed, but there is a chance of less consistency, especially for beginners, those who have tired legs or brains, or those who can't get out to skate regularly enough to maintain a super refined technique or who have health problems that limit skate session time.
you speak the truth!
Back in the 80's they used to have almost the same wheels out, but they were called tubes, or toobs. They were really wide and probably 62 diameter or so. They didn't catch on at all, but weird and interesting back then. I never rode them personally, but knew a guy that had them for a minute and I rode his board once. They were smooth, but too wide for my taste
They also make a difference when you're going long distances, I used to skate the boardwalk with them and they would roll forever, just also pump when moving
We rode Bullet 66's back in the late 1980's. Better speed, better on rough streets, and betterwhen doing curb tricks. The larger wheels took a little getting used to, but were so much better than the ridiculous tiny wheels that came out later in the 1990's.
Sometimes I ride over pebbles on purpose, just to see them getting kicked away 😅 My transport vehicle is a vert deck with avenue trucks and larger/softer shark wheels.
Loving the pit sniff at 8:10
shark wheels were actually clutch as hell, they really do help with pebbles. I got a lot of comments on them when i was riding around on em. They wore out a bit quicker but that's alright by me. I was really glad it wasn't a gimmick and actually worked pretty well. Also they were able to work slightly better if you happened to go off road as well.
I used Shark Wheels early on when I was in college on my longboard to get around campus. The campus was predominantly covered with sidewalks that had the pebbles cemented into it, making my regular wheels bog down within 15 feet and the ride was not smooth at all. When I switched to Shark Wheels, it was almost like riding on smooth pavement again. They were amazing for cutting out friction on strange surfaces like that, but I could not feel any difference when on smooth pavement.
Did you ever feel like you hit a pebble with the flat part of the wheel and rolled slightly side ways as the pebble pushed you laterally while it slid into the grove of the wheel? Or just ever feel the pebbles in any way at all when they were hit by the flat spot of the wheel?
@@Davivd2 Honestly very rarely. I think the ones that would do that would be more considered rocks at that point.
I really enjoyed watching your test.
The timed sounds were a pleasure by itself.
Love it.
Ok, so: I don't know anything about skating, and i don't know why youtube recommended me such a hypespecific video on that topic.
Anyways what I actually wanted to say: your editor deserves a raise for your trick-montages. The way he synced you up with the music made it sound like you were almost playing an instrument to the music. Bravo! 👏
Dropping shark wheel video during shark week. TH-camr trending game on point
Mixing the ollies in time with the snares in the music is a nice touch
he said 💅
The camera angle w the steam roller and your hatch open had me confused. I thought those concrete forms and supports were new buildings going up. Perspective had me shook! Great vid, as usual!
The idea for me, as a 1980s vert skater, that anyone would use a harder wheel than 92 or 95 on street is crazy. Anything over 95 is for ramp or park only.
Oj's ,Santa Cruz bullets, t bones,g bones German speed bearings..tracker 6 track trucks..
Love your style of skating. Very smooth! :)
I've done the homework. I skate mostly crusty street spots. Powell dragon wheels 52 or 54mm 93dur. Ricta cloud 52 or 54 92. They still slide and significantly smooth out a crusty run-up
I would have tripped out if I saw a dude skating those wheels back in the day when I skated a lot
The sound of your tricks is mesmerizing
I think a problem may happen with these wheels is reduced surface from the furrow means increased pressure on the area contacting the ground (the less surface the higher the pressure at equal forces, think of a finger pushing against your skin and then a needle pushing with same force) which I believe could lead to decreased wheel lifespan.
If they really do help with pebbles I suppose it could offset the need to change them more often, asuming their lifespan is shorter which may not be the case.
For those curious, 2mm is literally 1/5th of a CENTIMETER. Whoever claims they notice a “huge difference” in anything under like a 5mm change or 1/2cm. If you remember 1cm is equal to 10mm it’s simple to keep track of. I only know this from bmx parts like the Stem and Bars and Cranks and shit that are all in different mm measurements.
Wheels feel different for many reasons other than the size. Most 54s are also wider than most 52s, so there is that variable as well. The shape can be different too. Although I would say board shape and concave has a much more profound affect than trucks and wheels do
even more than that, 54 is actually only 1mm difference to a 52, if you looked at it like a compass NESW, you are expanding 1mm in each direction. So unless you are The Princess and the Pea on a skateboard, any difference (height wise) is in your head.
Amazing work like always 👏🙌
I tried these and they work great but I typically use 60+ mm wheels
I also achieved my goal of having shark wheels on all my boards
I never had the coordination and balance in my youth to ride a board standing up. (Found out a decade later I was standing all wrong on the worst board, which was 90% of my problem.) But, I did a lot of luge, or laying flat on my back at high speed. Once clocked doing 80km (50Mph) by a cop, and had my board confiscated mainly because of the stupidly dangerous place I was riding. That was on a long gentle slope. On steep hills, using how long the road was and a stop watch to time, we frequently hit 100-110kmh (62-68Mph). Years later, I replaced my dried out and cracked 80’s Kmart wheels for some decent quality inline skate wheels to increase the speed. I have never got around to losing my middle age spread and build the insane core strength needed to give them a try, so the board teases me every time I walk into the garage. I take my hat off to all the skaters out there who do tricks. You are amazing!
Those grooves main purpose was to mitigate wobbles on fast longboard rides
No, they were not. They're rain wheels.
Your really good at skating man never stop
I believe there was a wheel from 89-90 that had a straight channel dug out of the wheel that santa cruz speed wheels did. Their mentality was less surface area=more speed retained which makes sense but eventually people just favored skinnier wheels as the years went on
You know you’ve been in the game a long time when you can’t remember if you already made a video for a concept(that little bit at the end) 😂 Good stuff John, I remember watching you skate these when they were first released back in the day.
Oh, & Whenever someone complains about a 55mm wheel being too much of a size difference for them, you could always just say ‘I don’t notice because my deck is too big’.
I have moved to Bones X99 and X97. I think they are the best wheels I have skated in 6 years. I skate between a 54 and 56mm for street boards, I like the bigger wheels for locking in grinds. I skate up to a 64mm for the bowl. I started skating in the 80s so it just feels right for a bowl board.
When these things started showing up on longboards it was already wild, but I never expected to see them on street decks
Family trip up to Garrett’s house! We wanna see it!
Good to hear an opinion on these from someone who knows what they’re talking about. Good vid, thanks 🙏
Back in the late 80s, those wheels were popular.
I knew someone who had them.
I was making custom single ply longboards 25 years ago and designed and registered a way to tread (repeatedly) longboard wheels for the same purpose. Just never had the ability to bring it to market
in downhill skateboarding we would have competitions and the weather would always change day to day, if it was raining we would have rain wheels that we cut three or so grooves into so the water could pass through like tread on a tire. I wonder if in the rain the shark wheels would still grip instead of feeling like you're skateboarding on ice? would be cool to know!
The homie Kenny Napp won a race at an event in the rain on Shark Wheels haha, yeah, they work aiight as rain wheels.
Shark wheels are literally just rain wheels and nothing else in my own longboard experience. The promise better speed and slides and carving but it's only marketing.
LOVE YOU JOHN KEEP KILLING IT 🔥🫵‼️
What kind of sorcery is dude jumping and flipping the board around and then landing back on the board! Whaaaaaaaaaaaat
the little nuances add up. lol I always scale all my set ups accordingly.
8.25 - 8.5 board I usually skate 52mm wheels or up to 55mm sometimes on a 8.5.
skate a bigger board! if your riding 54mm wheels at least set up a 8.5 or 8.6
a lot of things involving wheels size have to do with proportions, a 54mm wheel on a 8.75 feels nice. just saying lol
for instance anything above a 9.00, 60mm wheels feel amazing, nothing like a fat 9+ deck with some big "9" in trucks and and some 60mm Bones or Spitfires.
oh gets me hyped lol
If anything, it looks like you're more stable on shark wheels. Which wasn't my initial guess knowing nothing about that new stuff, seemed counter-intuitive but actually makes a lot of sense.
It's not like game changing or anything but it's those small incremental improvements that make board sports progress little by little and give us more freedom and potential for skills and creativity to flourish.
Tbh people will soon buy these not even noticing the change ^^
Dang the editing... The wheel sound on-off-on to the beat is like... Somebody needs to sample that for a pop banger
You should do a follow up video where you actually go through a "pebble" obstacle course.
damn its so satisfying how you line the board sounds up with the claps on the beat. 1:48
Snare not claps
@@samholdsworth420 yea mb i use those words interchangeably a lot. they often fulfill the same purpose in a song. you right tho. i guess the skateboard gave it a clappy quality
Are the tricks after 1:48 edited to subtly line up with the music? I dig it.
Could you do a review of Andy Anderson's board?
And his griptape too
Omggg that music sync that edit is soooo smooooth
i love how you synchronized the music with the tricks
I know I’m progressing when I can finally do all of johns basic warmup tricks
Hi! New skater here, I'm definitely curious about the shark wheels for rough terrain. Currently my preferences run:
Cruising/off-roading: Spitfire 80HD or Bones ATV
Street/Freestyle: Nano-Cubics 97a
Pool/Transition: Pool Shark 84b
I think I generally prefer a softer wheel cause I love to lean and pump. I can't do any flip tricks yet so take this with a grain of salt. I just started learning 180s and varials and the Pool Shark wheels help me slide around and do bigfoot tacks, but i wipe out when I try to push my board in a banked turn. I want to learn how to powerslide so I can bomb hills!
I had similar wheels years ago. Like in the 90’s they were called coffin cut and I think they were Santa Cruz bullet. Apparently rare now.
I really like how that bench/ledge look like. Must be awesome spot to have carry around in your cars trunk! 😊
Bro really just busts out 30 moves on two different sets of wheels. 😅 I need to lock in. Thanks for still making videos!
They used to have the edges of the wheels with those sinusoidal waves as well and it made the wheels appear as if they were squared off. I wonder if the trued up the edges because there was some shimmy or if they did it because it was turning people away that didn't understand it. The old ones at least had an identity but maybe too uncanny for some people
Wheel size doesn't bother me too much, I usually skate 52mm or 54mm. Hardness of the wheels never bugged me either.
However, deck size does bug me. I prefer 7.75 which used to be considered on the larger side back when most people skated 7.5. I also hate a smaller tail than the nose. I prefer them to be the same size and I hate how hard it is to find decks like this.
I like the subtle “flippin’ the bird” to corporate TH-cam. Or maybe me.
These look like they would be better in the rain, and living in Alaska is rainy, so definitely interested in that
Everyone has to try Shark Wheels, once, just because they look so differnt. They were a twist on the slotted rain wheels that longboarders make, but their marketing scheme of pebble deflection is somewhat new.
I got some for my long board and they absolutely sucked. I noticed no difference as far as rock problems. I took them off after 25 miles or so and they sit in my garage.
They were supposed to have less rolling resistance, etc and there was no noticeable change
I always thought the rationale of these wheels just wouldn't work for street size/duro. The design, in theory, allows them to give more grip in wet patches which is useful for downhill, of course. Unfortunately, scaling down the wheel width for a street size and the fact it's now the hardest duro the company can provide means you don't have a usable amount of tread on the shark wheel to actually interact with wet patches, nor would it provide more/less grip than a regular street wheel, since it's no longer a soft wheel. I think the main advantage you could expect from this is the weight reduction, assuming you replace the same size wheel, which is so negligible though.
THANKS FOR FLIPPING EVERYONE OFF AT 0:57 ! LOL
When comparing wheels you should definitely include the nano cubics. I don't known this for sure but because of the wider shape they should weigh more and the difference in size should be either amplified or negated depending on what you compare them to. What I'm saying is mass affects flick I guess.
You can see the diference in the ramps when is bigger or smaller 😊
One thing that I always see skaters misunderstanding is that a 2mm diameter difference in the wheel, equals to 1mm difference from the axle to the ground. If anyone says they feel that difference, they're lying.
Burbank cvs dock or what used to be known as savon dock. Crazy you are skating there. When I lived in California that was the meet up spot for local kids. Good times
I remember the first shark wheels for cruisers, never seen these. The channel carved out would reduce friction along with duro rating i would think.
"Feel like I fell out, not popped out" Bro I could not be fucked to give a bother about that LOL I'm on the board, wheels are rollin... I'm taking it XD
What’s funny is when I skate I typically have 52/53 and yeah there’s no difference in a 52-56 imo … however in bmx I went from 175mm cranks to 170mm cranks and the 5mm difference is extremely noticeable due to pedaling and responsiveness …
I've riding shark wheels for about 6 to 7 years now. I found them very early on. I have a set on every long board I own. Incredibly great for downhill bombs.
Where did you get these? I got some off of amazon and I noticed zero difference other than that they didn't ride as nicely. Almost makes me wonder if I got some kind of counterfeit. There were other people in the comments saying the same thing but there were were way more positive comments that said they were great
@jeffa847 I've always purchased mine straight from shark wheels. The black DNA ones are "newer" but really good.
great video. I've seen a lot about these wheels. and haven't seen any real reason to ride them I'm to loyal to "Bones or OJs", your video seems un biased tho!
honest and good review
53 is usually what i end up with. and an 8 or 8.25 deck. been thinking to start skating and trying out a 8.5.
i dont get the priciple of those wheels other than they have maybe a third less surface on the road. how do they cancel pebble stopping? and i think its just in your head that you can feel- 1-4 mm difference in your wheels radius...
Must be so fun to be able to skate like that!
Honestly have been slowly downsizing through the years. I believe I learned how to Kickflip on 56mm 89 duro and now ~13 years later I rock spitfire formula four’s 54mm 99a as I mostly skate street
Never leave us, John. 😁
I have one setup with 56mm SML coffee cruiser wheels that are like 80a or something, and one setup with 55mm Formula Four 99a wheels. Bigger wheels are so much more enjoyable to ride for me.
I subbed cause of this edit. The music sync with the tricks was super clean 👌👌 Also your skills and consistency are crazy. Great video. Keep it up!
Spitfire 93s are all you ever need. (Not sponsored)
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No plain Jane's?
Nicee, those and autobahns are all I ever rocked, spitfire made the best hard street wheels and autobahn had amazing softies perfect for mini
city worker in the background feelin the vibe
Always a good day you post