When Aron gives scientology massive amounts of money to move up in the cult while all those who make that money for Aron can't even live off the money he gives them what do you expect. They're done being taken advantage of and good for them.
@@pneuma6421they are both adults…they could just get new jobs. Its called moving on. I was part of an e sport team as a co founder for 8 years. I moved on and i have a new job. Its called moving on dude.
Gabe will have no issue finding work. Doing all that work for a huge, successful channel will look great on his resume. I wish him and everyone involved luck!
@@patrickoconnell9387yup. Not just that he has the personality needed. That kid is gonna go far as fuck in life mark my words. He doesn’t need any more help if he moves right. Even if he doesn’t the kid has time to make mistakes and still reroute.
@@Luna0wl Aaron and his wife are known scientologists. I think a public record someone found from a couple years ago showed that they donate like $50,000 to the church of scientology per year. Edit: Pretty sure Aaron has also been getting more and more incessant with his beliefs.
@BDTPBO i know its crazy do you think that braile has been a revenue stream for Scientology the whole time? As well as a recruitment space for Aaron to get people into scientology?
@@dervinpoison666 Could be. Scientologists are also pretty ruthless to folks that badmouth their "church", so that also might be a reason why everyone leaving is staying quiet about it.
I'm sure the employees understand what Scientology does to its detractors. Scientology requires you give a positive eit interview if you ever want out. If you do not, they will stop at nothing to destroy your life. It makes these videos even that much more creepy.
It’s almost like…. Skateboarding should just be for fun? When I was a kid something that stuck with me big time was an older veteran skater at my local said something to me like “it’s not about going pro, or being sponsored, getting free stuff, or anything like that. The goal is to find yourself a job that allows you the free time to still have the ability to skate on into old age… just doing it for fun.” That shit always stuck with me. And I’m happy that I have a job that allows me to still be a skater and I still love to skate 20 years later… skateboarding doesn’t owe anybody anything- it’s just a fun thing to do.
the importance of fun is severely underrated. a lot of people with office jobs have health problems from lack of physical activity, it actually kills a huge number of people. skating even longboarding can and does help prevent this.
@@nickhunter8707 Nah i am just wondering why everybody jumps on the hate-train so easily without thinking twice. My religion is paid by the government which is way more scary to me. Even if i would quit, they get money and money and money 💰
@surpriseshoveit3514 There is no hate in identifying an individual or group that represents and practices cult like behavior. Misogyny, Rape, Fraud, Harassment, Forced Slavery, NDAs, and cover-ups... not the best look if you are seeking credibility. These are the people you want to stay away from, false prophets by many actual religions standards. Awareness is a good thing...
Everyone should leave rn, leave Arron behind, start a company that isn’t just funding Scientology. Aim completely to get new skaters while still making quality videos and boards
The ringing complaint ive heard of every member thats left (uzi, mogley, even nigel before he came back on board) was unfair compensation for time and energy spent making content. Meanwhile Kyro has donated over 750,000 to scientology
What's going on? How about them moving their awesome outdoor Cali vibes into a dull looking indoor skatepark years ago? Oh yeah and their founder being a SCIENTOLOGIST WEIRDO!? How about that one? lol
man interesting about the warehouse. that might of worked for rob and fantasy factory back in the day, but ya those warehouse videos feel incredibly half a55ed
I 100% agree. That's what drew me to them originally. Lance and Aaron at the skate park randomly meeting up with friends or new kids, just doing tricks and teaching or trying out boards people sent them via mail. It all felt organic and fun. The warehouse was cool for the first year because it was something new, but the videos lost that fun organic vibe quickly. They turned into productions and felt predictable because it was always the same people. There was no longer a camera pan to see some random skaters reacting to Aaron riding and crashing on a viewer made board. Instead it was just the same crew. I lost interest in the channel after a while because it felt like I was viewing the same content over and over again.
Idk I get it's not the same vibe but being BLASTED by the sun and random kids coming through can also have some negatives. It seems a lot more lively at the parks but those "The floor is lava" videos they shoot at the warehouse are AMAZING entertainment!
Yeah I agree I think these TH-camrs just don’t wanna start beef but fr it’s weird my thoughts are starting to think though that a lot of these skateboarding TH-camrs are Scientologist at least the ones that won’t address it at all
@@Ganjahandler42The Church of Scientology is notorious for harassing people who bad mouth it. Via lawsuit, scare tactics, etc. When Matt Stone and Trey Parker made the South Park episode mocking it, they completely censored the credits to protect their writing/production staff. They pretty much also stated with that episode that they were going to get sued by the church. And they did in fact get sued. Luckily for them they had the resources to fight and win, not a lot others have that luxury. So my guess is they’d protecting themselves from being bullied by the cult.
Scientology is a controversial religious movement founded by L. Ron Hubbard in the 1950s. It is based on Hubbard's book "Dianetics," which proposes a self-help philosophy called "Dianetics." Scientology teaches that humans are immortal beings (called "Thetans") trapped in material bodies, and that spiritual freedom and enlightenment can be achieved through a process called "auditing." Auditing involves counseling sessions using an electropsychometer (E-meter) to locate and confront past traumas and negative experiences. The Church of Scientology has been criticized for its authoritarian structure, alleged abuse of members, and controversial practices like "disconnection" (cutting ties with non-member family and friends). Some former members and outside observers have accused the church of financial exploitation, emotional manipulation, and cult-like behavior. Scientology has also been the subject of numerous legal battles, allegations of harassment and intimidation, and criticism from ex-members and outside experts. Despite this, the church maintains a significant following and has been recognized as a religion in some countries. However, its legitimacy and practices remain a topic of debate and concern.
in my opinion skateboarding is just dying again like always. skateboarding has always been like this really high highs and really low lows. it always fluctuates in popularity severely. we are just becoming an underground culture again.
lol skateboards exist in every other household. If you want to be apart of something underground; start rolllerblading. The culture is way ahead of its time and it’s basically untouched. @ me for the links to some companies and skaters that might persuade you
@@Dubleduhtch I’ve been skating for 20 years I’m 30 I’ve been in the game longer then you’ve probably been alive son. What I said is facts. If you want I’ll even upload some old footage to TH-cam. So you can see. The fact of the matter is mom and pop skate shops can’t survive. And the kids that have a board in every house hold like you said never even use the damn things and bought them from a big company. I just want everyone to enjoy and love skateboarding but it’s getting harder and harder he’ll the other day kids that skate were ragging on other kids that skate because of dumb stuff it’s a mess.
@@90snewz i just found out because of this video but apparently its known that aaron is a scientologist. and recently was promoted? or something to a high ranking member in a certain cities church from what ive read.
@@90snewzbro the church of Scientology just announced Aaron as their new leader in the Bay Area. That’s such a huge deal for a member to become that. He’s big timing in Scientology.
Maybe the problem is that everyone is looking for that "new thing" when in reality we're all just looking for the old thing. It goes back to the "good ol days" if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
What's he supposed to go back to? High School? You gotta be like 14 years old making a comment like this. Times change. People grown and evolve. It happens multiple times in a lifetime. Those who do what you're saying are what we call deadbeats, losers, failure to launch, basement dwellers, living in the past, etc.
Everyone’s talking about Aaron, but can we appreciate John and how we watched him grow and the fact that he makes it a thing to always learn something new is so refreshing!!
As long as anyone he works with don't get labeled a "suppressive person" it really shouldn't matter (as being in contact with a SP would get Aaron labeled a "potential trouble source" and that could easily lead to Aaron being labeled an SP himself. Aside from maybe having a little more rules than usual and Aaron pinching pennies so he can tow the line and not paying people more I doubt it really affects anything; I also highly doubt there is active recruiting going on and that Aaron does that solely through leading by example. On the other hand I wonder about people who left (not counting people with controversy like Fetty of Carlos) because they feared getting label "fair game" by the church or just they respected Aaron enough to not want to get him in trouble as he can get demoted, heavily interrogated, or even put in jail or sentenced to hard labor among other strange punishments.
Oh brother. Its worse than that. He's donated over a million and is now a leader in the SF bay area. Gotta keep donating big to keep leadership status.
Scientology's main color is blue and it has a meaning to them. Why yall think Aaron paints everything blue and white? Maybe I'm reaching, but it is something I noticed.
I think it's a mix of things. 1. Skateboarding's fluctuation in popularity over the years 2. Aaron's personal involvement with "controversial figures" Also, lowkey didn't like Aaron's response. Something about seemed...threatening? That might be just me but it certainly sounded that way.
The way I seen Aaron’s response was super friendly, when he said “I don’t know what you’re thinking, ima keep trying to pull it out of you” reminds me of talking it through to get a better understanding
@@jacuzzistream It seemed to me like he was trying to mask how upset he is that his team is leaving (the team that makes him all the money which he "donates" to his cult) and it sounded really disingenuous.
42 here, just started back skateboarding after like 20yrs off the board... used to skate street on my younger days. Since my neighbourhood building new skatepark been itchin to skate back, feels great. Learning transition now, streets taking too much of my energy since I'm not that young anymore...😅
@@getpape4126 Once you hit 20 you'll blink and be 25, then 25 or so you'll blink and be 35. It's very weird. Teenage years seem to last forever but after that every year feels like only a week.
hey John, i grew up in clt nc and was actively skating throughout the late 2000s and 2010s. I remember hearing about you being a local ripper. just want you to know that youre sick dude. ive always looked up to you and your work, even before your youtube career. youre a positive influence for all of us who grew up in the skateboarding community, especially in clt. Peace be with you
Everyone in the comments mentioning Scientology, while John Hill mentions it zero times, is telling. Most likely because John Hill doesnt want to fallout, or burn bridges with Aaron Kyro
The algorithm can’t recognize skill in millions of videos ranging from poser to pro. It only see “skateboarding” and auto throttles it because of over saturation and extreme skill gap
No it was at its biggest around the early 2000’s wen Tony hawk games came out u would go to the skate park and literally not be able to skate cuz soooo many kids of all ages had gotten The game and wanted to b skaters it was insane it’s not near as big as it was then
I didn't even have a problem with Aaron being the leader of SF Scientology until he denied it. That reeked of having something to hide. He knows his rank, he knows what it means, if he'd owned it and said something transparent about how Scientology helped him, then I'd just figure it's a self help group and let it be, but that's not how it works with them.
John man, I don’t think you have to make this channel retire once you switch things up, if you’re following another passion rn or in general are going things that are unique n intimidating then I think as a collective after being here for so long we’re willing to see whatever down the line, but if you feel like there’s more to life outside of creating content in general then we support you ❤🎉 congrats on the beautiful baby girl
@@LVDesert584 it's been publicly documented for years. you can go to look him up on the scientology website and actually see how much money he's given them based on his rank in the cult.
There's also a bit of a difference between a guy who fucks around with scientology and a guy who's invested millions & spent 6 months in Florida training to take over one of the main branches. When everyone was asking where's Aaron why's he not in videos, that was why. And they all pretended he was off doing family life stuff.
Scientology.... You can't RUN AWAY FAST ENOUGH!! Living in Clearwater it's another one of their main hubs... I swear they're robots 🤣 They own practically ALL of downtown clearwater it's super bizarre the stuff they do.. They come out in swarms in the middle of the night.. The people are " wack yo! "
also dont help not many new people wanting to buy skate gear or start learning to skate. also times are hard living unless mommy and daddy provide for you.
@@Scythe1337 facts though. People have less money. Even more true outside the US. There’s a drop off in every sector of entertainment now. AAA gaming is in real bad trouble as well. It’s been pretty rough for a while, and skateboards aren’t cheap. The people who would buy their kids skateboards right now would be their parents, aka Millennials. They have literally no money.
@@JimmyNuisance I'm not arguing that inflation is t real and yeah...No shit Sherlock. Most stuff kids have is bought for them by their parents. Especially kids with millennial parents because millennials who have children, have super young children.
I will say this much, I think that if we want to revive skateboarding (no pun intended) or anything we are passionate about really.. a big thing we could do is what Tony Hawk did in the 2000’s, take a shot and get involved. Even the Jackass crew skated. Our community should be tighter (that doesn’t mean we have to live next to each other, or see each other every day) and we should all giveaway used boards to people who could use them. I grew up in the projects, me, my brother and our crew used to give our old skateboards out to all the kids that watched us skate - And I think we made a big difference in their lives, definitely inspired them to keep trying.. and a big marketing ploy that skateboarding could use is getting people like yourself, John, into Skate 4 - or even creating an independent skateboarding game that represents a lot of not just the TH-cam community, but that represents local people and the true heart of what skateboarding is. I know that trends come and go, but I think deep down that everyone longs for what the world was like in the 80s and 90s. The sense of connection through a shared passion, The human connection and way of life, having genuine fun like we used to have before the Internet, to summarize it, hope. I think skateboarding represents that kind of freedom of expression everyone wants deep down. …Maybe I sound a little crazy, I don’t know.
Bruh I don't get why advertisers think that we want to watch more than 15 seconds of an ad. I skip every built in ads on TH-cam because it's just turning into television ads. If these companies knew anything they would try to keep the attention of the people watching the videos.
@@JimmyNuisance yes, I'm talking the built in TH-cam ads though. Like the ones the TH-camrs bake into the timeline of the video itself, not the TH-cam served ones
As a 40 year old skater, you cant blame him. shit is too expensive. what cost me 150 3 years ago is now 400 dollars worth of grocerys. i live in denver and make decent money and even im struggling.
I'm sad at this news because he's right, skateboarding is going downhill fast and people aren't as Interested in skateboarding as they were and a lot of people are quiting making it sader cuz I love to watch people skate and skate my self but it's so hard to get into because of all the Toxicity when your new or jest bad Like myself and I think because of that people aren't going to get into skateboarding and it's slowly dieing 😢
@UniversalFox597 the funding of wars kinda doesn’t cost that much. You send your old stuff, military industrial complex produces newer stuff to put in your military. Stuff produced by american workers. During wartime, the military industrial complex kinda works sort of in the favor of the working class. It’s during peacetime where the industrial military complex gets real bad, because they’re trying to start wars for profit during that era. The amount of money sent to ukraine is microscopic, but the right wingers want to pretend it’s trillions just so they can help Putin (the right’s favored dictator of the moment) in whatever way they can. Even run cases based on russian propaganda through the courts to cripple the US gvt from doing stuff that needs doing. Yes, I’m talking about the oh-so-real "biden crime family" narrative.. a story literally by russian intelligence that was believed by the GOP… the witness is now in jail for being a spy… This is a time of global turmoil. Don’t let russia make you believe that you’re spending enougn money on ukraine to actually cause YOU any issues what so ever. Donald gave the elite 3..5 trillion dollars for free… look at that before you discredit the war effort by unwittingly regurgitating what Putin wants you to. We’re being fooled all day, be vigilant. The russian propaganda network is immense.
Idk just a guess but i feel like skateboarding is gonna have a masssive resurgence in the coming years. When i got into it a few years back when it was big i was 17 but recently i got a kid and struggle hard to find any time to skate. And i feel like a lot of people are like me and the economy right now is pretty trash. But im sure the economy is gonna go back up in a few years and my kids gonna be much older, so i can see my generation of skaters to eventually return to it with our kids and pass it on
Hey John, I hear your thoughts on having this youtube only be about skateboarding a bit limiting, my advice: what about creating more vlogs? This then could allow you to not be limited to only skateboarding, but also add in life, reflections, and more. You should feel allowed to be a human being (not a movie character that revolves around one thing). I think we'd enjoy it too :)
Honestly. We, those who like sk8, are just happy to Be able to essentially skate with you guys... If you like skate, you like skate. It's that simple for us simple minded folk
You can do anything you set your sights on, we believe in you and I know this is a skate channel but you should show us your new passions too if you want to :) I'm sure real fans will care about what you care about.
I just dont want skating to die, with no companies nobody has boards and it could come back but it could also end up the only way to get boards is making them in your garage, and peoples salary dosent go up but skating prices do so people cant afford skateboards anymore
If skating ever fully dies it’ll be because of something big to the level of a societal collapse. In its history there have been really bad periods of unpopularity, but it has come back every time. I go to skate parks and shops in my area and still get the feeling of a strong skate community.
Skating won't die. When the big companies of a sport die, people passionate about the thing will start making shit at home, and a new ecosystem comes around. That's exactly what happened in the Downhill scene. A few years ago, longboarding and DH had a boom, big brands made stuff. That boom is over, and some of the most popular gear in downhill right now is literally garage productions sold over DMs on instagram.
brother… as long as the community is here, skating will NEVER die. Skate shops will always exist as long as there’s a market. That market is the community.
The “just remember” lines from Aaron are salt in the wound. Like “just remember” Aaron, people usually leave a job they love due to leadership. Statistics even show people will go underpaid as long as they really enjoy the work and the environment so..
Love ya @JohnHill Liv is done pop up for me often anymore but when they do, they always put a smile on her face. You help me get through a dark time and I still appreciate you! Love your style of content and think you do a lovely job in everything you do! Try to keep your head up! You’re an inspiration
he was probably raised by good parents that have mentored him behind the scenes on how to deal with leaving employment in a respectful way, but he was probably not getting a fair cut for what he was doing. he has gained all of these skills as a video editor etc. if you are managing and video editing and doing all of these things for a huge youtube channel and still making less than an average tech worker, its time to move on. he is under the rule of someone who donates a lot of their money to scientology. i know aaron is his good friend, and thats what made it difficult, but he has to think about his future
Garret stop doing skateboarding videos too I believe and he just does gaming videos. It’s sad that a lot of the skateboarding community is slowly going down because for some people who weren’t watching it from the start it’s hard to see skateboarding being interesting
Think it’s important not to put too much blame on Gabe here, or any at all, for his association with Kyro. Yes it’s concerning and yes he should probably cut ties, but Kyro has been in his life since he was 15, when he was a kid. He’ll no doubt feel indebted to the guy, and have some kind of attachment to him - he’s essentially been groomed by a Scientologist, to put it bluntly.
the us is just in a fight or flight mode. The mental conditioning since Covid has been tough. I walk up to ppl at the skatepark and they’re afraid. Kids used to teach me tricks and kick it, things are just changing socially. Skateboarding will have a resurgence if we get another modern renaissance when people can actually feel free. I think the United States encourages self preservation and skating is a risky sport to take on. I’m only speaking from my own perspective and definitely still see cool ppl skating, but economically I can see why people would stop skating
@@yungm0rris I get what you're saying man, most heads I know who love skateboarding but don't actively try to progress or have stopped all together say it's the risk of injury "I use my hands everyday if I break a finger/hand I can't feed myself" type stuff, it makes sense but sucks fs.
Actually real. I went back to my park after 6-7 years and its all graffitied up, the few skaters there all had headphones on and stayed in their own circuits. One dude actually made small talk with me but instantly left the park, went out 50 meters into the grass to sit a bench and smoke a cigg. Like jesus christ you could just tell me to smoke in peace id leave ya alone man. Felt like I was interacting with a bugged oblivion NPC. 10 years ago Id remember so many locals from the skatepark thatd id see some 15 year old kid 2 years later at a grocery store and it was nice too feel a sense of community. We had this badass security guard that was super chill, some new yorker guy who was always the life of the park getting all the cliques together and setting up fun stuff for us to do. "yo lets setup this trash can and all do tricks over it back to back" While he could barely ollie a 2 stair dude was a legend cuz he loved the sport so much. We are in weird times brother
Seeing everyone i watched as a kid leaving or quitting is an insane feeling. I'm trying to start a company myself along with some close friends and it's scary to think about what happens if this thing we sink all our time into doesn't work.
Very insightful! Your story of owning a warehouse/skatepark is so common, and it resonates with me and many other skate-entrepreneurs. I love your insight of using TH-cam as an additional revenue stream for business owners. The skate industry is at a very interesting point right now because it seems like the sport of skateboarding is booming, but so many skate shops and indoor parks are closing, along with so many pros being vocal about "not making money from skating". We definitely need more revenue streams to continue to grow our community. In addition, we need to have more videos like this to educate us skaters to build a sustainable businesses that lead to attaining assets and not grinding it out on the hamster wheel. Thanks John for bringing light to this tough subject that all skaters should know about. 🤘🤘
Skateboarding is dying because kids these days can't take a fall. But, if you do take a fall you can't work and pay the bills. So, it's not worth it. That's why I stopped. Idk, maybe I'm wrong. I still ride. But, just cruise now. No tricks.
You'll regret that. I quit 7 years ago and sat around writing code. Now I'm getting back into it and I'm out of shape and less flexible plus I wasted 7 years. You don't need two hands to code! @@jonathanc6746
things that have been around and will continue to be around for a long time (skateboarding, art, the stock market, etc.) has ups and downs, and we're just down rn. the next big change in skateboarding will come eventually and it might go crazy
SKateboard industry is hurting pretty bad. You say we arent charging enough for skateboards, as a company owner who tries to keep prices low, I can say we are charging plenty. The issue is that the production cost of the wood (not the boards but the wood) is just above that of 2019 pricing. Since 2020, everyone took on the inflated pricing and have held rather than dropped with a push of "well, its time to increase". The $70+ price tags for decks added into the bad economy has begun killing the industry and is holding it with a choke hold.
aaron has been with the church of scientology for a REALLY long time. its always been known, the degree hasnt though. its now known that he is infact the leader of the SF branch of scientology and has been funneling millions to the church. most likely also bringing impressionable kids and people into the church from his big following.
@@leastselfawarepotassium it's hard because if you talk about anything you're in reported and in trouble. And there is no difference between minors and adults. There's the same thing. If you kiss an 8 year old, and they don't like it, they should be an adult and understand there is something wrong with them for not liking it. That's how these people are.
Is it possible that some of the challenges you're all facing right now have to do with basing yourselves in some of the most expensive cities in the country? I mean, San Fran and NYC are literally two of the most expensive cites in the country to live in. Let alone run a business out of. Especially when that business can technically exist in hundreds of other cities around the country. It really seems like some of the biggest challenges you're facing could be minimized (if not completely nullified) by moving to a new location with lower operational costs.
Bingo. But skateboarding and skateboarders are notoriously stubborn and peter panning away from reality. The skate industry needs financial accountability if it wants to survive. I'm with you 100 percent sell off the warehouses and relocate to the middle of nowhere like many, many manufacturing companies do
@@Sellbow I wouldn't even say they need to move to the middle of nowhere, but there are hundreds of other medium sized cities around the country that cost half as much to live in as San Fran and NYC.
Not sure what may or may not be going on behind the scenes but can totally understand someone wanting to make a shift professionally after being with the same company for seven or so years.
That channel really killed skateboarding for me. It went from a cool idea to really cancerous with the amount of spam they were pushing out. I get you need to make a living but sheesh man... really oversaturated their own market for no reason.
11:00. Excuse me but if most skaters can't afford to purchase a good quality skateboard at its current prices what in the world makes you think you aren't charging enough for them? I mean do you want to alienate even more skaters out there riding their trash boards by preventing them from buying a new one?
Aaron being deemed “the leader” of the whole SF Bay Area by Scientology *MIGHT* have something to do with the entire thing falling apart.
Well yeah...why would Aaron support S.P.'s
Why would that be it?
@@PBA8 Because no one would or should support a cult, let alone one that allows racists to be a part of it.
@@PBA8I recommend looking at what they are and what they represent/support
@@braym2391 education and money? What's ur problem with that?
When Aron gives scientology massive amounts of money to move up in the cult while all those who make that money for Aron can't even live off the money he gives them what do you expect. They're done being taken advantage of and good for them.
Feel like gabe is involved in the scientology bullshit, same as lance.
@@pneuma6421if they were involved leaving the company would make little to no sense.
@tvo8977 yes it does, they moved up so they have to spend all their time at the church. What you think they got new jobs on their own?? 🤣
@@pneuma6421 uh yeah maybe they did? like all other people that arent in some cult do...?
@@pneuma6421they are both adults…they could just get new jobs. Its called moving on. I was part of an e sport team as a co founder for 8 years. I moved on and i have a new job. Its called moving on dude.
Uzi left a few weeks ago and said (on his channel) that they weren't being compensated fairly for being the full-time faces of the channel.
That just appeared in my YT recoomended
Aaron is giving all his money to scientology and I'm assuming that includes TH-cam revenue.
@@TheKorfish Yikes if true
EDIT: A lot of people are saying this, so likely true
Of course its true do you know how Scientology works?@YTN3rd
@@Org80 literally didn’t know he was in scientology at all
Didn't have Aaron Kyro joining a leadership position at the Cult of Scientology on my 2024 bingo card...
everyone thought max would die to gaethje too but here we are
@@rich4072 facts LETS GO MAX
I did! Have you seen the Scientology videos? 🤣
Jerome Halloway!!!
I've always noticed something off about the dude so I'm not surprised
Gabe will have no issue finding work. Doing all that work for a huge, successful channel will look great on his resume. I wish him and everyone involved luck!
He should honestly make his own skate channel
@@veganwafflehe had one but I think he deleted it a while back
Ihope he doesnt start a carreer at dem Scientologists x_x
As far as I know he is a part of the cult, too.
It’s wild that you talked so long about the economics of the industry without talking about how a huge chunk of their profits went to Scientology…
very sus
I feel bad for JD Sanchez. I feel like he needs to leave while he’s ahead. He’s such an amazing rider and He needs the success he deserves
I don’t think he needs to leave he could do some of his own thing if he wants to make it big he should have a plan b and plan b could be his own stuff
JD's too good of a skater not to be successful
@@patrickoconnell9387 for real. someone is gonna find JD and give him an offer he cant resist.
Do we know for a fact that jd and his family are not Scientologists? They may be… like 9 ppl that work there are.
@@patrickoconnell9387yup. Not just that he has the personality needed. That kid is gonna go far as fuck in life mark my words. He doesn’t need any more help if he moves right. Even if he doesn’t the kid has time to make mistakes and still reroute.
You got to ask Aaron Kyro about a Lord Xenu deck.
That would unironically go pretty hard.
Scientology.
I have a strong feeling it's because of that.
What 😂
100%. He just got promoted to one of the big dogs at the San Francisco branch of Scientology.
@@Luna0wl Aaron and his wife are known scientologists. I think a public record someone found from a couple years ago showed that they donate like $50,000 to the church of scientology per year.
Edit: Pretty sure Aaron has also been getting more and more incessant with his beliefs.
Facts!!
That's how I found John's channel. He was NASTY during their games of SKATE. He'd rarley ever lose
So Aaron kyro gonna teach Tom Cruise to skate?
*laughs like Tom Cruise*
more like teach him about scientology 💀
@@Simon0103Tom cruise is one of the leaders of Scientology aka “woosh”
it was Tom that taught Aaron how to skate....Lol Everyone knows that.
Tom know how to skate already bro does IV adrenochrome
Scientology
Christianity 💀
Aaron just became the leader of Scientology in the Bay Area.
@BDTPBO i know its crazy do you think that braile has been a revenue stream for Scientology the whole time? As well as a recruitment space for Aaron to get people into scientology?
@@dervinpoison666 I mean...Aaron did donate millions to the cult.
@@dervinpoison666 Could be. Scientologists are also pretty ruthless to folks that badmouth their "church", so that also might be a reason why everyone leaving is staying quiet about it.
lol
@@dervinpoison666 It was and it's not a secret. Go check out some posts about it, he's easily funneled millions of dollars into that stupid bullshit.
I'm sure the employees understand what Scientology does to its detractors. Scientology requires you give a positive eit interview if you ever want out. If you do not, they will stop at nothing to destroy your life. It makes these videos even that much more creepy.
I feel like it personally has to do with the Scientology and also Carlos’s pedophilia drama
Wtfff carlos is a pedo? Hell nah they got then all
And fetty’s pedophilia drama.
You mean Fetty right? Don’t tell me Carlos as well 😢
@@woodyska85yes it’s also Carlos there’s videos around on yt somewhere where u can watch about it
@@woodyska85nah , fetty was clean , carlos probably not , much drama around carlos sending things to minors etc
It’s almost like…. Skateboarding should just be for fun?
When I was a kid something that stuck with me big time was an older veteran skater at my local said something to me like “it’s not about going pro, or being sponsored, getting free stuff, or anything like that. The goal is to find yourself a job that allows you the free time to still have the ability to skate on into old age… just doing it for fun.”
That shit always stuck with me. And I’m happy that I have a job that allows me to still be a skater and I still love to skate 20 years later… skateboarding doesn’t owe anybody anything- it’s just a fun thing to do.
Nice
the importance of fun is severely underrated. a lot of people with office jobs have health problems from lack of physical activity, it actually kills a huge number of people. skating even longboarding can and does help prevent this.
"I can't believe kids will look at Eric and think that's what skating is about."
Hes probably tired of constanlty having to do audit sessions for Aaron kyro and wants to escape the grift of Scientology LOL..
Scientologists
Singular
@@infiniteloop2094where there is one, there are sure to be others....
Kinda like Sith, or cockroaches.
Hahaha enjoy the content, religion is private. If HE would spent HIS money to some Christian or Muslim it would be ok for you?
@@nickhunter8707 Nah i am just wondering why everybody jumps on the hate-train so easily without thinking twice. My religion is paid by the government which is way more scary to me. Even if i would quit, they get money and money and money 💰
@surpriseshoveit3514 There is no hate in identifying an individual or group that represents and practices cult like behavior. Misogyny, Rape, Fraud, Harassment, Forced Slavery, NDAs, and cover-ups... not the best look if you are seeking credibility. These are the people you want to stay away from, false prophets by many actual religions standards. Awareness is a good thing...
Everyone should leave rn, leave Arron behind, start a company that isn’t just funding Scientology. Aim completely to get new skaters while still making quality videos and boards
I bet thats what Gabe is going to do
The ringing complaint ive heard of every member thats left (uzi, mogley, even nigel before he came back on board) was unfair compensation for time and energy spent making content. Meanwhile Kyro has donated over 750,000 to scientology
I 2nd this!
@@ashflame6888 I'd love to see that, he's an awesome soul
this is all aaron's fault lol
Eh I haven’t watched them in a while… We really saw Gabe grow up tho lol
What's going on? How about them moving their awesome outdoor Cali vibes into a dull looking indoor skatepark years ago? Oh yeah and their founder being a SCIENTOLOGIST WEIRDO!? How about that one? lol
man interesting about the warehouse. that might of worked for rob and fantasy factory back in the day, but ya those warehouse videos feel incredibly half a55ed
I 100% agree. That's what drew me to them originally. Lance and Aaron at the skate park randomly meeting up with friends or new kids, just doing tricks and teaching or trying out boards people sent them via mail. It all felt organic and fun. The warehouse was cool for the first year because it was something new, but the videos lost that fun organic vibe quickly. They turned into productions and felt predictable because it was always the same people. There was no longer a camera pan to see some random skaters reacting to Aaron riding and crashing on a viewer made board. Instead it was just the same crew. I lost interest in the channel after a while because it felt like I was viewing the same content over and over again.
Idk I get it's not the same vibe but being BLASTED by the sun and random kids coming through can also have some negatives. It seems a lot more lively at the parks but those "The floor is lava" videos they shoot at the warehouse are AMAZING entertainment!
The massive elephant in the room that is scientology.
@@SamSlugg456 I mean more in terms of the fact that John Hill isn't addressing it
Yeah I agree I think these TH-camrs just don’t wanna start beef but fr it’s weird my thoughts are starting to think though that a lot of these skateboarding TH-camrs are Scientologist at least the ones that won’t address it at all
@@GREENBASSPRODUCTIONShas nothing to do with any of it. Aaron is a cool guy with strange ass beliefs.
I ain’t know for a decade he was a Scientologist he did a good job of hiding it
@@Ganjahandler42The Church of Scientology is notorious for harassing people who bad mouth it. Via lawsuit, scare tactics, etc. When Matt Stone and Trey Parker made the South Park episode mocking it, they completely censored the credits to protect their writing/production staff. They pretty much also stated with that episode that they were going to get sued by the church. And they did in fact get sued. Luckily for them they had the resources to fight and win, not a lot others have that luxury. So my guess is they’d protecting themselves from being bullied by the cult.
The real reason he’s leaving is because he doesn’t wanna drop in vert
Noooooooo - you're right you know 🙈how was this allowed to happen???
Definitely part of it 💯
BUT he did drop in!
100% 😂
@@ActivateChurchOrgVancouver nuh uh
Scientology is a controversial religious movement founded by L. Ron Hubbard in the 1950s. It is based on Hubbard's book "Dianetics," which proposes a self-help philosophy called "Dianetics."
Scientology teaches that humans are immortal beings (called "Thetans") trapped in material bodies, and that spiritual freedom and enlightenment can be achieved through a process called "auditing." Auditing involves counseling sessions using an electropsychometer (E-meter) to locate and confront past traumas and negative experiences.
The Church of Scientology has been criticized for its authoritarian structure, alleged abuse of members, and controversial practices like "disconnection" (cutting ties with non-member family and friends). Some former members and outside observers have accused the church of financial exploitation, emotional manipulation, and cult-like behavior.
Scientology has also been the subject of numerous legal battles, allegations of harassment and intimidation, and criticism from ex-members and outside experts. Despite this, the church maintains a significant following and has been recognized as a religion in some countries. However, its legitimacy and practices remain a topic of debate and concern.
in my opinion skateboarding is just dying again like always. skateboarding has always been like this really high highs and really low lows. it always fluctuates in popularity severely. we are just becoming an underground culture again.
lol skateboards exist in every other household. If you want to be apart of something underground; start rolllerblading. The culture is way ahead of its time and it’s basically untouched. @ me for the links to some companies and skaters that might persuade you
@@Dubleduhtch I’ve been skating for 20 years I’m 30 I’ve been in the game longer then you’ve probably been alive son. What I said is facts. If you want I’ll even upload some old footage to TH-cam. So you can see. The fact of the matter is mom and pop skate shops can’t survive. And the kids that have a board in every house hold like you said never even use the damn things and bought them from a big company. I just want everyone to enjoy and love skateboarding but it’s getting harder and harder he’ll the other day kids that skate were ragging on other kids that skate because of dumb stuff it’s a mess.
And BMX is regaining traction again
@@steve00alt70all hail the king! Bmx is goated and my new sport for the last 12 months or so. Best feeling ever.
@@is300vids most skateboarders in past 30 years i've been riding.
It took me by such surprise, honestly cried watching Gabe talk about it all
lol
Its Scientology
Everyone keeps saying that. Is there any evidence or context? Genuinely want to know.
@@90snewz i just found out because of this video but apparently its known that aaron is a scientologist. and recently was promoted? or something to a high ranking member in a certain cities church from what ive read.
@@90snewzbro the church of Scientology just announced Aaron as their new leader in the Bay Area. That’s such a huge deal for a member to become that. He’s big timing in Scientology.
@@mathy0u how is that a correlation to Gabe leaving?
It is probably because people doesnt want to support that cult. And Aaron is using the money from braile to fund the cult.
Coming back to this vid now because I saw on Nigel's IG that the wareshouse is getting emptied out. End of an era.
Maybe the problem is that everyone is looking for that "new thing" when in reality we're all just looking for the old thing. It goes back to the "good ol days" if it ain't broke, don't fix it?
Thing is it is broke and needs fixing. Skateboarding isn’t how it used to be.
@@otgbaby4615the industry isn't the same but people just need to skate more and forget the rest
What's he supposed to go back to? High School? You gotta be like 14 years old making a comment like this. Times change. People grown and evolve. It happens multiple times in a lifetime. Those who do what you're saying are what we call deadbeats, losers, failure to launch, basement dwellers, living in the past, etc.
Everyone’s talking about Aaron, but can we appreciate John and how we watched him grow and the fact that he makes it a thing to always learn something new is so refreshing!!
How far in Scientology is Aaron and how much does it play in to people quitting?
As long as anyone he works with don't get labeled a "suppressive person" it really shouldn't matter (as being in contact with a SP would get Aaron labeled a "potential trouble source" and that could easily lead to Aaron being labeled an SP himself.
Aside from maybe having a little more rules than usual and Aaron pinching pennies so he can tow the line and not paying people more I doubt it really affects anything; I also highly doubt there is active recruiting going on and that Aaron does that solely through leading by example.
On the other hand I wonder about people who left (not counting people with controversy like Fetty of Carlos)
because they feared getting label "fair game" by the church or just they respected Aaron enough to not want to get him in trouble as he can get demoted, heavily interrogated, or even put in jail or sentenced to hard labor among other strange punishments.
@@Ricksteady8 No scam doesn't tell you not to rope your friends in, theres 0 chance Aaron is in Scientology and not trying to sell the product.
Oh brother. Its worse than that. He's donated over a million and is now a leader in the SF bay area. Gotta keep donating big to keep leadership status.
Got so bad he got them evicted
He donated $20 million
Scientology's main color is blue and it has a meaning to them. Why yall think Aaron paints everything blue and white? Maybe I'm reaching, but it is something I noticed.
Holy shoot!! A quick check shows it's light blues and some grays WOW that's weird.
To be fair the UN’s colors are blue and white. Not saying you don’t have a point but it might be a bit reaching
Good point about their colors. Search 'Scientology' under images and you get a field of blue pretty much.
@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 But Kyro isn't a known affiliate of the United Nations as far as I know xD
Damn, 2017 was almost a decade ago
Whyd you have to ruin my day like that man 😔
The one thing that got me about the video was the tiny, tiny bottle of water.
😂😂😂
You spotted the most important detail of the video!
Budget cuts are real
😂😂😂
I think it's a mix of things.
1. Skateboarding's fluctuation in popularity over the years
2. Aaron's personal involvement with "controversial figures"
Also, lowkey didn't like Aaron's response. Something about seemed...threatening? That might be just me but it certainly sounded that way.
Yeah what he said wasn’t supportive. Sus
That's how they operate. They literally stock people and destroy their lives.
Yeah dude he was like “I’m trying to pull it out of him why he’s leaving and I will continue but ppl change”
The way I seen Aaron’s response was super friendly, when he said “I don’t know what you’re thinking, ima keep trying to pull it out of you” reminds me of talking it through to get a better understanding
@@jacuzzistream It seemed to me like he was trying to mask how upset he is that his team is leaving (the team that makes him all the money which he "donates" to his cult) and it sounded really disingenuous.
I am 53 and just started skateboarding, didn’t you hear 50 is the new 30! Age is just a number man!
skate on brotha
42 here, just started back skateboarding after like 20yrs off the board... used to skate street on my younger days. Since my neighbourhood building new skatepark been itchin to skate back, feels great. Learning transition now, streets taking too much of my energy since I'm not that young anymore...😅
69 yrs old here. I just started throwing myself down stairsets with Penny boards. Gonna start posting content soon.
@@alpoLand Well I am not jumping down stairs don’t think I will but I do post my progress in the process of learning moving Ollie’s can also manual.
Young ppl acting like they are 90 years old 😂
i seen aaron suited up walking down market st passing out pamplets, i had to do a double take and he realized i knew it was him.
Seeing all those old clips of yall skating together just brought back so many memories. It’s sad that memories flee us as time goes on.
Dang, Gabe is younger than me. I know how he feels though. In my late 20s now and things feel so much more real than they did in my early 20s.
Just wait till you get in your 30's 😂😂
I’m 19 and bout to be 20 and life already hit me like a truck. I ain’t capping either
@@getpape4126 Once you hit 20 you'll blink and be 25, then 25 or so you'll blink and be 35. It's very weird. Teenage years seem to last forever but after that every year feels like only a week.
hey John, i grew up in clt nc and was actively skating throughout the late 2000s and 2010s. I remember hearing about you being a local ripper. just want you to know that youre sick dude. ive always looked up to you and your work, even before your youtube career. youre a positive influence for all of us who grew up in the skateboarding community, especially in clt. Peace be with you
They're quitting because Aaron Kyro gives all his money to Scientology instead of his team. I love his tutorials but he's an evil person
Everyone in the comments mentioning Scientology, while John Hill mentions it zero times, is telling. Most likely because John Hill doesnt want to fallout, or burn bridges with Aaron Kyro
That or the wrath of Scientology which is not a bear to poke.
He's going to have to pick a side and it better be the right one.
@@chriscole9469😂😂😂
"He can't stick around, gotta let go... of the past".
Man, those lyrics make even more sense nowadays
I feel like skateboarding is more popular than its ever been, but for some reason the industry and online content aren't doing well.
The algorithm can’t recognize skill in millions of videos ranging from poser to pro. It only see “skateboarding” and auto throttles it because of over saturation and extreme skill gap
100
Because more stopped watching, and more started doing. Alot are probably to point the don't break boards as easily.
No it was at its biggest around the early 2000’s wen Tony hawk games came out u would go to the skate park and literally not be able to skate cuz soooo many kids of all ages had gotten
The game and wanted to b skaters it was insane it’s not near as big as it was then
@@dabble855 it's bigger, skatepark just aren't as popular. It's literally in the Olympics
I didn't even have a problem with Aaron being the leader of SF Scientology until he denied it. That reeked of having something to hide. He knows his rank, he knows what it means, if he'd owned it and said something transparent about how Scientology helped him, then I'd just figure it's a self help group and let it be, but that's not how it works with them.
John man, I don’t think you have to make this channel retire once you switch things up, if you’re following another passion rn or in general are going things that are unique n intimidating then I think as a collective after being here for so long we’re willing to see whatever down the line, but if you feel like there’s more to life outside of creating content in general then we support you ❤🎉 congrats on the beautiful baby girl
agreed, i understand why he would say that but the channel is called "John Hill" . We're here for john! not skateboard specifically
Arron’s a cult leader now
That is awful and everyone needs to walk away if he is really involved in Scientology
@@LVDesert584there's no if, he's been a scientologist since like 09. He's now higher up in the ranks.
@@dylangilman100% facts. I’ve always hated Aaron since finding out he was a Scientologist…
But please save Aaron's hometown skatepark guys he needs donations so he can use his money for Scientology instead.
@@LVDesert584 it's been publicly documented for years. you can go to look him up on the scientology website and actually see how much money he's given them based on his rank in the cult.
thanks for not doing any weird stuff John. appreciate your continued service.
I love Gabe, hard to see him leave... But I think he will do well with his new project! Very talented and kind person!
aint steve berra in scientology? people just overlook that cuz its the berrics?
everyone hates the berrics
no one w a brain fucks with berra, mikey taylor, prod, koston, or really any of those goons
absolute vampires of skating
You over look that.
There's also a bit of a difference between a guy who fucks around with scientology and a guy who's invested millions & spent 6 months in Florida training to take over one of the main branches. When everyone was asking where's Aaron why's he not in videos, that was why. And they all pretended he was off doing family life stuff.
@@joshuapowers4623 can you send me where i can read on this thats and not a video on youtube?
Gabe saw the writing on the wall. He probably found out how much money Aaron had siphoned from the channel and decided to dip before it imploded.
its crazy that ive been here for all of this. from the very beginning. Doesnt even feel that long ago. I feel old this sucks.
Scientology.... You can't RUN AWAY FAST ENOUGH!! Living in Clearwater it's another one of their main hubs... I swear they're robots 🤣 They own practically ALL of downtown clearwater it's super bizarre the stuff they do.. They come out in swarms in the middle of the night.. The people are " wack yo! "
More scientology skaters.
th-cam.com/video/wBw3WFuCNhY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=znCVEAQoUdjlB1gC
Revive is dead too, both companies need new blood 🩸
also dont help not many new people wanting to buy skate gear or start learning to skate. also times are hard living unless mommy and daddy provide for you.
@@littlejp6090 shitty hot take
@@Scythe1337 facts though. People have less money. Even more true outside the US. There’s a drop off in every sector of entertainment now. AAA gaming is in real bad trouble as well. It’s been pretty rough for a while, and skateboards aren’t cheap. The people who would buy their kids skateboards right now would be their parents, aka Millennials. They have literally no money.
@@JimmyNuisance I'm not arguing that inflation is t real and yeah...No shit Sherlock. Most stuff kids have is bought for them by their parents. Especially kids with millennial parents because millennials who have children, have super young children.
Element too..
I will say this much, I think that if we want to revive skateboarding (no pun intended) or anything we are passionate about really.. a big thing we could do is what Tony Hawk did in the 2000’s, take a shot and get involved. Even the Jackass crew skated. Our community should be tighter (that doesn’t mean we have to live next to each other, or see each other every day) and we should all giveaway used boards to people who could use them. I grew up in the projects, me, my brother and our crew used to give our old skateboards out to all the kids that watched us skate - And I think we made a big difference in their lives, definitely inspired them to keep trying.. and a big marketing ploy that skateboarding could use is getting people like yourself, John, into Skate 4 - or even creating an independent skateboarding game that represents a lot of not just the TH-cam community, but that represents local people and the true heart of what skateboarding is. I know that trends come and go, but I think deep down that everyone longs for what the world was like in the 80s and 90s. The sense of connection through a shared passion, The human connection and way of life, having genuine fun like we used to have before the Internet, to summarize it, hope. I think skateboarding represents that kind of freedom of expression everyone wants deep down.
…Maybe I sound a little crazy, I don’t know.
Bruh I don't get why advertisers think that we want to watch more than 15 seconds of an ad. I skip every built in ads on TH-cam because it's just turning into television ads. If these companies knew anything they would try to keep the attention of the people watching the videos.
TH-cam premium is one of the few subscriptions that are actually worth it. TH-cam is unusable without it.
@@JimmyNuisanceyeah i sub too but idk about "worth it" i should just be allowed to use an ad blocker but TH-cam really like butt fucking me so
@@JimmyNuisance yes, I'm talking the built in TH-cam ads though. Like the ones the TH-camrs bake into the timeline of the video itself, not the TH-cam served ones
Dude, just get TH-cam premium lol.
@@Metroidam11 yes, I have premium my guy. You're not catching what I'm saying the baked in ads dude.
As a 40 year old skater, you cant blame him. shit is too expensive. what cost me 150 3 years ago is now 400 dollars worth of grocerys. i live in denver and make decent money and even im struggling.
too many people in the industry are afraid to say the "inflation" word
Denver is mad expensive also
Vote for Trump.
The formula has been broken
this channel is called john hill, u have all the freedom to make videos about what ever u find interesting
This is kinda weird I'm watching a reaction to a video with an advertisement in the middle. I need to find better ways of spending my time I guess.
I get the need for a SquareSpace ad but man the timing in this video didn't feel right.
u can just skip it btw
@@idetestbirds9114 no you must watch all of it and enjoy it
I was not expecting you to be so honest about the money, It was obvious to me but no one talks about it
I used to watch brsille, but it got too TH-camy engagement beat loud content for content sakey
I'm sad at this news because he's right, skateboarding is going downhill fast and people aren't as Interested in skateboarding as they were and a lot of people are quiting making it sader cuz I love to watch people skate and skate my self but it's so hard to get into because of all the Toxicity when your new or jest bad Like myself and I think because of that people aren't going to get into skateboarding and it's slowly dieing 😢
Skateboarding isnt going downhill or uphill. Making money skateboarding is becoming harder. Its what you make it.
And here I thought skateboarding downhill fast was just longboarding.
Scientology killed it. Good.
The recession is real guys, and even the skate community is feeling it
@UniversalFox597 Corporations are feeling it ? If everyone is broke who has all the money then ? DId it just disappear ?
@UniversalFox597 The corporations, the ones controlling and profiting off the inflation? Did you hit your head?
@UniversalFox597 the funding of wars kinda doesn’t cost that much. You send your old stuff, military industrial complex produces newer stuff to put in your military. Stuff produced by american workers. During wartime, the military industrial complex kinda works sort of in the favor of the working class. It’s during peacetime where the industrial military complex gets real bad, because they’re trying to start wars for profit during that era.
The amount of money sent to ukraine is microscopic, but the right wingers want to pretend it’s trillions just so they can help Putin (the right’s favored dictator of the moment) in whatever way they can. Even run cases based on russian propaganda through the courts to cripple the US gvt from doing stuff that needs doing. Yes, I’m talking about the oh-so-real "biden crime family" narrative.. a story literally by russian intelligence that was believed by the GOP… the witness is now in jail for being a spy…
This is a time of global turmoil. Don’t let russia make you believe that you’re spending enougn money on ukraine to actually cause YOU any issues what so ever. Donald gave the elite 3..5 trillion dollars for free… look at that before you discredit the war effort by unwittingly regurgitating what Putin wants you to. We’re being fooled all day, be vigilant. The russian propaganda network is immense.
They are not struggling. Dude just got promoted in the rich people cult. You don't do that if you're broke.
Naw dude people with money always been good always will be. Us regular folks are going through hell though
Idk just a guess but i feel like skateboarding is gonna have a masssive resurgence in the coming years. When i got into it a few years back when it was big i was 17 but recently i got a kid and struggle hard to find any time to skate. And i feel like a lot of people are like me and the economy right now is pretty trash. But im sure the economy is gonna go back up in a few years and my kids gonna be much older, so i can see my generation of skaters to eventually return to it with our kids and pass it on
Dudes 25 going on 55
Why does that guy look so weird?
@@DanielIvan707 bro looks like a scientology zombie
@@DanielIvan707homies always looked like that 😂 he cool tho
make a video about aron kyro scientology pls
Hey John, I hear your thoughts on having this youtube only be about skateboarding a bit limiting, my advice: what about creating more vlogs? This then could allow you to not be limited to only skateboarding, but also add in life, reflections, and more. You should feel allowed to be a human being (not a movie character that revolves around one thing). I think we'd enjoy it too :)
Honestly. We, those who like sk8, are just happy to Be able to essentially skate with you guys... If you like skate, you like skate. It's that simple for us simple minded folk
You can do anything you set your sights on, we believe in you and I know this is a skate channel but you should show us your new passions too if you want to :) I'm sure real fans will care about what you care about.
I truly hope gab starts his own company
I just dont want skating to die, with no companies nobody has boards and it could come back but it could also end up the only way to get boards is making them in your garage, and peoples salary dosent go up but skating prices do so people cant afford skateboards anymore
If skating ever fully dies it’ll be because of something big to the level of a societal collapse. In its history there have been really bad periods of unpopularity, but it has come back every time. I go to skate parks and shops in my area and still get the feeling of a strong skate community.
@paul Insane levels of doom and gloom there buddy! haha. theres always gonna be companies making boards
Skating won't die.
When the big companies of a sport die, people passionate about the thing will start making shit at home, and a new ecosystem comes around.
That's exactly what happened in the Downhill scene. A few years ago, longboarding and DH had a boom, big brands made stuff. That boom is over, and some of the most popular gear in downhill right now is literally garage productions sold over DMs on instagram.
brother… as long as the community is here, skating will NEVER die. Skate shops will always exist as long as there’s a market. That market is the community.
The “just remember” lines from Aaron are salt in the wound. Like “just remember” Aaron, people usually leave a job they love due to leadership. Statistics even show people will go underpaid as long as they really enjoy the work and the environment so..
Maybe aaron kyro should donate money to skateboarding and NOT scientology...
He's like the Anti Hawk in that regard for real.
Love ya @JohnHill Liv is done pop up for me often anymore but when they do, they always put a smile on her face. You help me get through a dark time and I still appreciate you! Love your style of content and think you do a lovely job in everything you do! Try to keep your head up! You’re an inspiration
he was probably raised by good parents that have mentored him behind the scenes on how to deal with leaving employment in a respectful way, but he was probably not getting a fair cut for what he was doing. he has gained all of these skills as a video editor etc. if you are managing and video editing and doing all of these things for a huge youtube channel and still making less than an average tech worker, its time to move on. he is under the rule of someone who donates a lot of their money to scientology. i know aaron is his good friend, and thats what made it difficult, but he has to think about his future
“For the past 7 years since 2017” is the most bonkers sentence ever
Garret stop doing skateboarding videos too I believe and he just does gaming videos. It’s sad that a lot of the skateboarding community is slowly going down because for some people who weren’t watching it from the start it’s hard to see skateboarding being interesting
Think it’s important not to put too much blame on Gabe here, or any at all, for his association with Kyro. Yes it’s concerning and yes he should probably cut ties, but Kyro has been in his life since he was 15, when he was a kid. He’ll no doubt feel indebted to the guy, and have some kind of attachment to him - he’s essentially been groomed by a Scientologist, to put it bluntly.
Yeah TH-cam content hard to find. Switching to PHUB only
Real
the us is just in a fight or flight mode. The mental conditioning since Covid has been tough. I walk up to ppl at the skatepark and they’re afraid. Kids used to teach me tricks and kick it, things are just changing socially. Skateboarding will have a resurgence if we get another modern renaissance when people can actually feel free. I think the United States encourages self preservation and skating is a risky sport to take on. I’m only speaking from my own perspective and definitely still see cool ppl skating, but economically I can see why people would stop skating
WTF are you talking about?
@@MrTimmyGTtoo deep for you to understand Timmy
@@yungm0rris I get what you're saying man, most heads I know who love skateboarding but don't actively try to progress or have stopped all together say it's the risk of injury "I use my hands everyday if I break a finger/hand I can't feed myself" type stuff, it makes sense but sucks fs.
Actually real. I went back to my park after 6-7 years and its all graffitied up, the few skaters there all had headphones on and stayed in their own circuits. One dude actually made small talk with me but instantly left the park, went out 50 meters into the grass to sit a bench and smoke a cigg. Like jesus christ you could just tell me to smoke in peace id leave ya alone man. Felt like I was interacting with a bugged oblivion NPC.
10 years ago Id remember so many locals from the skatepark thatd id see some 15 year old kid 2 years later at a grocery store and it was nice too feel a sense of community. We had this badass security guard that was super chill, some new yorker guy who was always the life of the park getting all the cliques together and setting up fun stuff for us to do. "yo lets setup this trash can and all do tricks over it back to back" While he could barely ollie a 2 stair dude was a legend cuz he loved the sport so much.
We are in weird times brother
Yeah bro, that six feet distancing trickles down into corrupting the pysche
8:00 is worded so well
4:49 i bet john regrets that statement rn..
Seeing everyone i watched as a kid leaving or quitting is an insane feeling. I'm trying to start a company myself along with some close friends and it's scary to think about what happens if this thing we sink all our time into doesn't work.
Very insightful! Your story of owning a warehouse/skatepark is so common, and it resonates with me and many other skate-entrepreneurs. I love your insight of using TH-cam as an additional revenue stream for business owners. The skate industry is at a very interesting point right now because it seems like the sport of skateboarding is booming, but so many skate shops and indoor parks are closing, along with so many pros being vocal about "not making money from skating". We definitely need more revenue streams to continue to grow our community. In addition, we need to have more videos like this to educate us skaters to build a sustainable businesses that lead to attaining assets and not grinding it out on the hamster wheel. Thanks John for bringing light to this tough subject that all skaters should know about. 🤘🤘
Skateboarding is dying because kids these days can't take a fall. But, if you do take a fall you can't work and pay the bills. So, it's not worth it. That's why I stopped. Idk, maybe I'm wrong.
I still ride. But, just cruise now. No tricks.
Yup i realized if i break my wrist again i cant do my job as a programmer. Im an adult with bills. I cant do that anymore.
Same here man, cruising is the best I love surfing on land carving and pumping few Ollie’s pop shuv its here and there.
You'll regret that. I quit 7 years ago and sat around writing code. Now I'm getting back into it and I'm out of shape and less flexible plus I wasted 7 years. You don't need two hands to code! @@jonathanc6746
Reason I don’t ride dirt bikes anymore because I can’t miss work being laid up at home after taking a big fall.
I got a broken hand right now it’s hell. 2 months of my life wasted.
things that have been around and will continue to be around for a long time (skateboarding, art, the stock market, etc.) has ups and downs, and we're just down rn. the next big change in skateboarding will come eventually and it might go crazy
I think it has a lot to do with the Carlos lastr issuesss or just not paid at all
SKateboard industry is hurting pretty bad. You say we arent charging enough for skateboards, as a company owner who tries to keep prices low, I can say we are charging plenty. The issue is that the production cost of the wood (not the boards but the wood) is just above that of 2019 pricing. Since 2020, everyone took on the inflated pricing and have held rather than dropped with a push of "well, its time to increase". The $70+ price tags for decks added into the bad economy has begun killing the industry and is holding it with a choke hold.
Bro have I been in the dark this whole time some one explain what Scientology and Aaron thing ?
There's plenty of videos on YT that explain everything.
aaron has been with the church of scientology for a REALLY long time. its always been known, the degree hasnt though. its now known that he is infact the leader of the SF branch of scientology and has been funneling millions to the church. most likely also bringing impressionable kids and people into the church from his big following.
@@newp0rtis there any evidence of the last part? I find that very unlikely.
@@leastselfawarepotassium it's hard because if you talk about anything you're in reported and in trouble. And there is no difference between minors and adults. There's the same thing. If you kiss an 8 year old, and they don't like it, they should be an adult and understand there is something wrong with them for not liking it. That's how these people are.
Is there a Scientology made simple video series ?
If Gabe ducked out because of Scientology, that was a smart move. No religion should ever control a business or start paying taxes.
He clearly was told to get out before Aaron crashed it.
John's obviously a scientologist
Came to reply one word, and I see it's pretty much understood.
Scientology. Fkd. =P
Hopefully, if the new Skate game ever comes out, interest will be renewed.
Is it possible that some of the challenges you're all facing right now have to do with basing yourselves in some of the most expensive cities in the country? I mean, San Fran and NYC are literally two of the most expensive cites in the country to live in. Let alone run a business out of. Especially when that business can technically exist in hundreds of other cities around the country. It really seems like some of the biggest challenges you're facing could be minimized (if not completely nullified) by moving to a new location with lower operational costs.
Bingo. But skateboarding and skateboarders are notoriously stubborn and peter panning away from reality. The skate industry needs financial accountability if it wants to survive. I'm with you 100 percent sell off the warehouses and relocate to the middle of nowhere like many, many manufacturing companies do
@@Sellbow I wouldn't even say they need to move to the middle of nowhere, but there are hundreds of other medium sized cities around the country that cost half as much to live in as San Fran and NYC.
Not sure what may or may not be going on behind the scenes but can totally understand someone wanting to make a shift professionally after being with the same company for seven or so years.
That channel really killed skateboarding for me. It went from a cool idea to really cancerous with the amount of spam they were pushing out. I get you need to make a living but sheesh man... really oversaturated their own market for no reason.
11:00. Excuse me but if most skaters can't afford to purchase a good quality skateboard at its current prices what in the world makes you think you aren't charging enough for them? I mean do you want to alienate even more skaters out there riding their trash boards by preventing them from buying a new one?