AUTOMATED Resin 3D Printing!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Jason at @ldomotorsjason3488 sent me to the @Formlabs booth to check out FORM AUTO! They've automated resin 3d printing, and it's really cool!
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The fact they wanted to do this, without building an entirely new machine and continue to service original owners, is downright fabulous when it comes to Formlabs and sustainability!
What abour resin smell I red its bad for health?
@@covakoma1064 Formlabs resin are non toxic but they can irritate like all resins.
@@iamumn are you sure about that?
This is actually super useful, was waiting for something like this. Great job! 👏😎
I had a love hate relation ship with the Form3's I used at work.
Getting a job set up was pretty damn easy. Using the machine was very user friendly. Prints are much more durable than typical resin prints.
However, their cheapest resin was still crazy expensive at $150 a liter.
Their Vats's also cost $150 and DO NOT have a replaceable film, so when it wears out you gotta buy a whole new one.
Customer service is ok, but the solutions they give straight out of the gate will seem like they didn't even bother to read the ticket, which can get frustrating at times.
For a company that can afford it, it's a pretty good machine, but no one should ever be buying one of these if they are just a hobbyist.
Agreed. I would but this machine if the resin was cheaper.
What is a good hobbist machine that offers a level of convenience and print success like this?
I'm using a 201x? Ender 3 pro that's pretty modified. I feel like I've mastered it, and want to go up to a new printer: either bigger build volume or higher success rate.
I agree. The resin is sooo expensive in comparison to other resin printers. And formlabs are a closed ecosystem company as they only allow their resin selection to be used. I use these at work and they are reliable, but the cost per part is too much, especially if the customers are students who don't have much money to spare.
Sadly, another company with a novel product absolutely milking it for all it's worth. Closed-source/proprietary tech in additive manufacturing is bad for all involved.
Where I worked we also had a few issues with the chips on the cartridges not registering or in the case of vats registering an impossible nine-hundred-something month age for a new vat. Vats thankfully have the option to ignore that and use them anyways, but the cartridges required more creative thinking, like using paper to hold the cart just right so the chip was still in contact. You could maybe refill a cart, but I don't think the chip would let you use a cart after it was "empty" (never tried because I didn't want to mess with a 130-150 dollar cart, even if my boss was open to experimenting).
Print failures also went up if we used Elastic Resin, but I think that may have just been more a issue of there being no good orientation and support settings for what we were printing. The cost of that and the smell when you had to clean up a failure certainly made it more demoralizing though.
They're certainly nice machines but many of the "convenience" features relating to the machine's operation itself boil down to "they've made parts of the machine consumable so you can simply swap it out instead of paying someone with knowhow to fix it (at monetary cost to you still)." For personal use I'm happier with my Mars 2 Pro anyhow, and I'd recommend the "lower end" MSLA machines over the SLA ones to hobbyists any day of the week. Faster and cheaper than the Forms, and perfectly adequate for what most people are going to be printing on their machines.
Resin everywhere. Table, floor, wall, ...
Love resin printing. The industry has so much to innovate still
This is the technology that will make print farms so much easier to run and maintain! Will be watching this space with alot of interest
A step closer to having full automation with wash and curing. Cool asf
I noticed the wash basket used in the demo is for the Form Wash L, but can you just use a Form Wash basket with Form Auto?
The bed flexing action is terrifying in person to hear. the audio does it no justice haha
this new outro is LIT! 🔥
"I look forward to playing with it in the future!" Translation: Hook a brother up with a Form printing farm! ;-)
I need one of these !! Just about to buy another Form3 printer !! 👍🏼
Always fascinating, great video. Thanks!
Really cool! I was hoping it would auto wash and cure. Never touching the uncured part would be amazing!
Yea expected that too, since this would change the resin printer market a lot. But still good to see that they trying to go into that direction.
I’m sure that will be released within a year or so after this, it’s such a simple addition that I don’t see why they wouldn’t
That's a solid small step towards automation. Resin printing needs to achieve fdm level of simplicity.
wouldnt it be a good addition to have a auto resin level detector that checks if the vat needs more resin then just adds it in
if you do that you would have a fully automated process where you wouldnt need to even check on the printer anymore just plug, fill ,and play
It does have an auto fill and keeps resin at proper level. At least until you run through a liter of resin. Then it let's you know to add another cartridge. Unless your talking about an auto system that changes out resin cartridges.
HeyGears has a new automated resin printer out as well, still waiting to get it in and see if it's good
Ah this is awesome, if only mere mortals like myself could afford a full formlabs setup at home!
I bought a formlabs form 2, 7 years ago and still working. In my opinion, it's paid for itself a few years ago. And I'm not sure if there's any other printer that can print to 25microns.
Meanwhile me manually adjusting my fully manual 3d printer (it takes anywhere from 3 weeks for a single print).
This needs to have a cleaning and curing station built in so it can just produce finished products.
I’m not a FormLabs fan (their print quality is atrocious and their product is not worth the money) but they did a good job here.
Really like that they tested the areas what were "wait, does this work" and decided to utilize their existing machines. Been reading a bunch lately about "why did a company NOT create a new machine" and it's like "why should they? How does that benefit existing customers?"
Unrelated: is there a bar/overlay showing some shots? You can see the square overlay at 4:06 - 4:14
I kept thinking I had burn in or something, but it was still there as I changed the player size
No that was error on our side from color correction.
@@3DPrintingNerd ok, good to know
Is this the trailer for the new THX?
Alright another 5 years and we have that at a reasonable price.
I love it. May not be something for a home hobbyist in terms of price but still great way to create a production ecosystem.
you could use a ramp to open the hood and ditch the actuator saving lots of money.
Oh that’s an interesting idea!
The cover doesnt close on its own, it needs to be pushed back down.
Could you fill the bucket with liquid to make the drop softer so the parts dont break?
I mean, they don't break now.
@@extectic he said thst a heavy part with a pointy point pointing down would break
not really. If it's water then the part won't cure properly, if it's alcohol then it will slowly make it weaker. Maybe an angled slide ?
The part design is restrictive anyways; for this to work with the automation.
@@CraftySven ive heard that some people cure in hot water to get better mechanical properties, havent tested yet
also having water droplets into the resin when the printer is open is a big nono
Games Workshop: *Sweating intensifies*
1kg of injected plastic is 0,0001 $
1kg of uv resin (well negociated) is 10 dollars
in reality 3d printing is really expensive compared to injected plastic for mass production.
And if infinity start to avoid metal minis is not for nothing...
Plastic is near to be free.
Potentially stupid question, but wouldn’t bending the buildplate repeatedly like that warp it over time?
From what I understand, the magnet that holds it in back keeps it super flat in machine. I don’t know the number of bend cycles Formalabs has done in testing, but it must be A LOT.
I can confirm that i have never seen a BP2 warp. And i have seen them in an environment which uses it daily for the past year.
3d printing needs automation to be a viable mass-production method. For mass production, the bottleneck is never print speed, it is human labor. The ability to print a bucket of parts over a weekend is huge compared to having to go back to the printer every single time.
What event was this one?
This was at CES in Las Vegas
The automation is cool...but when did resin printers get flexible build plates?? Seems like something every printer should have
I've seen magnetic attached flexible plates, but having one like this where you just press the sides would be awesome.
@@RebelKeithy I'd definitely prefer this style of flexible bed.
Should be standard fr
I thouhgt it would print wash dry and cure in one go.
It looks spectacular, just don't check the price
what amazes me is that in 5 years this brilliant piece of technology will most likely be seen as klunky and outdated. Seeing the progress of these manufacturing devices has been so amazing over the years.
I've had my formlabs form 2 for seven years. And it still runs great. Plus there are not to many printers that can match its resolution of 25microns.
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I'd buy their machine but the resin is so damn expensive.
My experience with the Formlabs products is that they are very expensive to purchase and operate. You are locked in to proprietary materials and eco system. I replaced a pair of Form 2 with consumer grade products that were faster, used consumables that were 1/3 the cost, and could be thrown out every year and still save money.
There's always cheaper, but good luck getting some Chinese manufacturer to develop automation for the stuff they've already sold, for instance. You always pay extra for quality, for support, for reliability. Nothing new there.
@@extectic I was not happy with the performance, reliability, or longevity of the Form 2 machines.
@@extectic The thing is, I could recreate this with like $100 in parts, and it would work with anything with that type of bed, and parametric for any sized machine. Also their design could be simplified since there is no limitation on a linear actuator not being simply fixed to the build plate pull tabs, but minor critique.
I've got my personal machines much more consistent and higher accuracy, and much less maintenance, and much faster than the machines at work. Mine also do the same size or bigger (13x13x15") and mine were less than $300, defeating $5k and $10k machines. The only cool thing is one of our machines at work can hold like 8 spools, but ironically the best upgrade was some PVC pipe where I made a stand for it so it could hold some larger 5 KG rolls (so much nicer than having to reload small spools all the time).
I've also found the more expensive machines to be more proprietary and locked down, and even their starting sequence often ignores CURA for example so it often wastes a lot of time redoing the bed level mesh (while my machines remember it unless you manually push the button or start your Gcode with it, saving a lot of time and keeping them more consistent). I'm just not a big fan of closed source, you are at the mercy of the developer to fix even the smallest of issues, and then they don't even update their change logs accurately...
@@jakegarrett8109 both ultimaker and formalbs are fairly closed eco system, plus the cost is astronomical. I much prefer "hobby" grade machines due to their cost, reliability and maintenance. Plus I don't have to email a company in the US for help when I need it, just to get a generic response.
@@CraftySven Yeah its sad when the Ultimakers are not even the worst ones, but those do manage to destroy themselves (about $500 per hotend) due to poor design probing with the nozzle iteslf (which is oozing plastic, so the least ideal option for getting consistent depth), and then oh look another $1k to repair things...
Someone please give me one :)
dude on the left looks 3d printed.
bed size is too small
And what's filling the vats with resin?
the form 3 automatically does that by itself
@@alexorsmthnidk2449 ah nice!
Definitely would not work with any resin. Some of my prints, if not cured in 4h, they deform
Should work formlab resin.
empêcher au niveau de l'achat d'un imprimante 3D... raisons inconnues
After two dead Form 2's that now just collect dust, terrible customer support, and the fact they don't sell replacement parts for parts prone to failing, I cannot suggest to anyone to purchase an overpriced Formlabs in 2023.
they will just tell you to buy new parts, easy !
Interesting, my form 2 has been running strong for 7 years now and counting. I've had minor issues, but for me customer service has been great.
3d printing is not for parts it was designed to make a model you can hold in your hand and sell it to the boss or design team then they make it in cnc and cast in metal etc 3d printers are designed to make small parts that wont last or break if you truly want 3d printing get a metal 3d printer whre you sinter the metal part and have a fully metal part but then again you have to pay 50k for the machine etc
All you have to do is pay tens of thousands of dollars for a service agreement every year.
Do not buy a formlabs
I just sold my resin printer 😁 I hated it
Great that you got rid of it 👍👍
I can totally see that.
While I don't own one, I have used it.
It definitely is a specialty machine. If I can print it on an FDM, I very much prefer that process.
Resin ain't for me.
It isn't for everyone.
4-8k jeah no thanks
1:50 "Great" the first printed part will lay around nearly 23h in the rests of resin. I gueass this will lead dramentously into quality issues.
Pointless.
Yes your comment is pointless.
@@3DPrintingNerd don't like peoples opinions then don't post on youtube lol, its pointless because it does nothing special, it literally takes things off the build plate...WOW... so ground breaking, so revolutionary....that's my opinion, just because u don't like it doesn't make it any less true.
Just because it’s your opinion also doesn’t make it true. You saying “Just takes things off the build plate” makes me think you don’t understand how print farms work or how companies are trying to use more lights-out automation to be more efficient.
Plus, I never said I didn’t like your comment, I said it was pointless. Your reply to that wasn’t pointless, and gave context to why you were thinking that. I have some context as to why I think you’re wrong.
it's not pointless and it can be useful in certain scenarios; where time and labor is of essence but not necessarily the cost.
@@3DPrintingNerd Im just saying, this maybe okay for a company, idk, but for most people its not really something to drop cash on for a home printer, I have 2 elegoo saturn 2, a jupiter and 4 Vypers, I know a bit about print farms.
For the price this will cost, I just don't see the point of it, Who is this aimed at? its not exactly full automation either, They would be better trying to figure out a way for affordable full Colour resin 3d printing, that would be a much better use of their time. and realistically it has to be the next step, seems like every few months a new printer is released which does exactly the same thing as the last one, my saturn 2 for example, no difference in that and the original saturn, other than 8k detail which is hardly even noticeable.
didn't mean to rub you the wrong way man, you do a good job, i enjoy your videos and think you are very informative.
Really nice stuff! Good work by FormLabs!
holy crap!!! It's an Engineer from Alien in real life
I have a formlabs form 3 way too expensive to run. I just bought a halmot mage now that's how I can print without the needless consumables
It's a shame how patents can hold back beautiful industry for decades.
The teeth collection was a bit creepy... soon we can have full android factory like Westword with this tech
The fact that he said he wants to make it available to people who already own the printer is stellar. I might actually get one of these printers lmao
I LOVE that they did that.
"I want to work on this in the future" means, send me one 😂
Anyone else here that voice, it sounds like Futu... "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"
This for resin printers is the stuff, like the belt fdm printers were nice but lacked most of the resolution of a well tuned fdm out of the box
be great to be able to afford this makes automation much easier and less user checkups
A small factory, i liked!
Ok, that is really neat.
neat
I thought this would move the print into a washing/curing box then pop it when it's done washing/curing. this is a lot of hardware for just simply popping the print, which then user has to wash and cure manually
It’s popping the prints - plural. The idea being the machine can automatically for a weekend is key. Producing a batch of parts that can then be washed and cured.
I also thought it would do this, like the SLAminator.
What are the use cases for this?
Did you not watch the video. They explain its usecase.
@@Z-add it is useless
LDO sent you as an info gatherer.
Sshhhhh 😉
Automatic part removal, and job queuing seems kind of pointless without some automated resin refill process. Does it hold a ton of resin or something, or does it have an auto feed system that wasn't mentioned?
Honestly shouldn't be that hard with a simple hose and large bucket (just have it siphon into itself, it will maintain the level at which your huge bucket is).
Formlabs printers have come with an auto fill system for years now