CORRECTIONS: At 4:30, the labels on the graph are wrong: the blue line represents Democrat sentiment, while the red line represents Republican sentiment. Apologies for this sloppy error, and hope you nonetheless enjoyed the video!
The whole "red/blue" issue is a mess. It's always been the red for the left (democrats) and blue for the right (republicans) because "Red" is the color used by leftist, i.e. communist and socialist, societies. This was the standard color association for everyone, and still is outside of the US. A number of years ago, the mainstream media decided that Americans were too stupid to figure this out and changed red to mean republicans because they both started with "R". This is a super easy mistake for content produced outside of the US. I'm an American and I still associate red with the left (the red scare), but I'm 63 years old and remember when my countrymen were held to higher mental standards.
@@fader1912 Are they protesting for peace? Or are they just pro-Palestine and want a ceasefire so Hamas can rebuild and slaughter another 1300 innocents as their own leader has said they will, given the opportunity? Gen Z white protesters may be protesting for 'peace' - but the rest of them are chanting 'from the river to the sea'...
I think it's worth noting that older generations can remember Isreal being attacked by its neighbours. They viewed it as a plucky David. Most youngsters have grown up watching well armed men on tanks firing at kids throwing stones. For them, Israel looks like Goliath.
I like this metaphor. Also worth noting that things do change, the U.S. used to be the "plucky" upstarts against the British ourselves! The only thing that concerns me is that for many people, any criticism of the governments involved (either one) is equated to racism, which is a huge barrier to open and honest conversation.
One of the biggest reasons I think it has changed from previous conflicts, it's that now with social media there are way more videos/photos/info of people in distress because of the war. Things the established media doesn't show us on TV because of mature/graphic content. Which, I believe it creates empathy towards them.
Also media showed us single buildings lightly damaged in Ukraine, and I was like "this is bad, Russia should not do this". Now they show whole citys completely destroyed, maybe one civilian building barely standing and the media is like "yeah this is fine and necessary, this time you should side with the country targeting civilians, because who knows one of those might have been Hamas".
It’s so frustrating that every little thing has to become left or right. It’s so much more complicated than that but the big guys in charge have drilled it in over a hundred years that you’re either conservative or you’re liberal and that’s how everything else in the world works too
well if you also hate the liberal - conservative divide, which is propelled by the ruling class, you should check out marxism. The difference between conservatives and liberals is so small that us, leftists dont really bother to differinciate
The Democrat Party is the controlled opposition, so to speak. If there wasn't a party to oppose far right ideas and give lip service to social democratic ones, it would be lot more obvious how little control we have. Of course if you're paying to attention and comparing what politicians on both sides say verses what they do, it's still pretty obvious. In reality, the US is closer to a fascist state: privatization of traditionally government services, imperialism, hyper-patriotism, and militant anti-communism.
thats because in Capitalism this is the dichotomy between mankind... If you support Israel, and have the minimum knowledge about history, you're conservative/liberal
I think it's important to point out the wording in the questions in the polls. A lot of them ask about support for Hamas, not Palestine. Most people who support Palestine don't necessarily support Hamas.
Indeed, and most who feel support for Israel don't support Netanyahu... He's effectively been a dictator since 2009 somewhere, and HAMAS haven't had elections since 2006. It's easy to feel sorry for the ordinary people caught up in the narcissism of their elected(?) psychopathic leaders. Something we all need to avoid happening in our own countries too....
Unfortunately, that's what morons like TheDailyWire, PragerU, & Douglas Murray mislead their supporters on. Not like those same guys even care for Palestinians at all anyways. We see corporate Dems even agreeing with fascist Republicans on to giving Israel weapons to attack civilians from both sides in Gaza. Hamas is doing doing genocide on civilians as well, but unfortunately, Israel is so defended hardcore to a point where it feels like their is no sympathy towards innocent Palestinian hostages the same way the centrist & conservative media claim they care about Israeli lives.
There is another factor not mentioned in the video: support for Israel was also based on remembering World War II. The first and second generation born after that deluge were still part of the collective memory, that formed as the result of The War. Later generations are not part of that.
In a way I feel as though the opposite is true. I've seen a lot of people compare Israel to Nazi Germany, and while the comparison isn't exact, the parallels do exist. They even admitted to secretly performing eugenics on Ethiopian Jews a decade ago. One particularly damning argument I've heard is that Israelis, of all people, should understand what it means to force people out of their homes and killing innocents en masse. The former makes the West Bank expansion seem hypocritical and the latter makes the current invasion especially hypocritical.
@notabot8581 im only 25 but things like BoB and Saving Private Ryan were a big part of my teenagehood. And there was still many ww2 veterans around when I was a kid.
I feel it should be made clear that being pro Palestine is NOT the same as being pro Hamas! The atrocities Hamas has committed are horrific and Isrial’s answers are also horrific. This is ultimately about allowing Palestine as a people to exist and for all people to recognize the legitimacy of each other’s narrative.
@@bartandaelus359 plurality in 2006, 50 percent of the population was not alive in 2006, there was a calculation that only 15 person of the population tha voted for hamas is still alive and that is not an excuse the alternative was a corrupt israeli puppet,using this logic American citizens deserve to die cause they vote bush? it makes no sense
@@bartandaelus359 The majority of Palestinians living under that regime today were not even alive yet during that election. Also the Hamas back then proclaimed to be pro-democratic while the only other viable party, the Fatah, wasn't the better choice at all. And even then, the Hamas never got a majority of the votes even back in 2006. It was a plurality. What a weird point to make.
@@bartandaelus359 Nearly 20 years ago. The median age in Palestine before the war is about 18, meaning most Palestinians are children. How many people over 35 are there now, do you think? Of whom 44% of those WHO VOTED voted for Hamas? And that's before pointing out that collective punishment is still A Bad Thing.
@@KR-us9pj See my comment above, or the one by Doogie2K3. To add to that, what makes you think that punishing civilians for the faults of their government is a justified act, in general? Don't throw everyone under the same bus.
I think there is also the timeline of the conflict in comparision to your age. For instance , the older generations have their memories filled with events were Israel was the defender against arab agression ( 1967,1973) while the younger generations can recall of Israel being the agressor , especially since the intifadas (from 1987)
they also have a memory of Jews being persecuted, it's still the case nowadays but not the point where they were killed in camps. Also a war between states is less "morally challenging" than a war between a militant group and a state because now you have two views: 1) Hamas are terrorists and did a horrible thing 2) Hamas are only the product of Israeli oppression and they will use whatever means necessary to liberate their nation. And both are true it's just that young people are more aware of 2).
@@005ishanigoswami5 No, a state where Jews and Palestinians could have been created in 1948 because this region was very well known for being the region where the 3 major religions live in peace and it was true Jewish Christian Muslim lived together in peace but the Jewish immigrants by their egoism they wanted to create a totally Jewish state that had and because of this peace which reigned turned into war and that you absolutely cannot tell me that it was to survive we recall that the Jews who wanted to avoid the mustachioed German immigrants mostly in Muslim countries because they were the only ones who accepted their difference in beliefs and were not allied with the mustachioed German, that's survival, what they did in 1948, that's just of barbarism
It’s interesting that you looked at ethnic backgrounds in America but not in Europe, I assume it’s because that data wasn’t available but I think it’s a pretty telling factor. In the US ethnic minorities are Hispanic or Black, while in Europe they’re mostly people from the Middle East. I think that would be a significant reason for Europe’s more pro Palestine stance.
Speaking as a white British under-30 living in London, I can definitely see that affecting the data, but I don't think it *explains* the data. In other words, even if Britain was 100% white, I still think the younger generation would be significantly pro-Palestine.
I believe it's incorrect to say that in Europe that most non-white populations are from the ME. Plus, you don't have to be from that region to be Pro-Palestine. For example, some, if not many, Afrodescendants like myself see the struggle for Palestinian liberation as concomitant with other anti-colonial struggles. More widely, this is seen as part of the broader anti-racism movement.
Those polling questions were ridiculous!!! “Do you stand with Israel or Hamas?” “Should the US stand with Israel or Hamas” “are Israel justified in attacking Hamas” young people are PRO-PALESTINE, not Pro-Hamas, those questions were purposefully trying to get people to condemn Hamas and support Israel and Young people just aren’t falling for it.
@@ilonacsordas4250Hamas at the time was a pro-democratic party that advocated for a peaceful resolution with Israel, condemning any terrorist attacks on Israel as well. Additionally, the alternative party was embroiled in corruption. More than half of Palestinians weren't born when the election took place either.
The older generations have a collective remembrance of the Holocause and the atrocities against Jews, and therefore lived a long time where anti-semitism was a big issue in their society. The younger generation lived through 9/11, and US's wars in the Middle East, and so Islamophobia was the big societal issue that their generation was more cognizant of. I frequently hear older people say that Hamas is "anti-semitic"--they literally are killing Jews. But for the younger generations, what they see is an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinian Arabs, violence at Mosques, and removal/limiting of rights. Millennials also see this as a race issue, by some conversations I've seen online. And so, it hits closer to home for them and to what societal issues they've cared about these past two decades.
But the very older generation who experienced and thankfully survived Holocaust are also speaking out against Israel. This generation also witnessed the racism against Jews by British establishment that did not wish to welcome them as refugees to Britain. Reluctantly only letting Jewish children enter.
When antisemitism was a big issue in society people were more anti Jewish than pro Jewish in general, that's what a society with an antisemitism problem is. They weren't pro Israel because they liked Jews, they were so antisemitic they screwed up efforts at rescuing Jewish refugees from Europe. The thing with Gen Z is that they weren't adults during 9/11, and some don't remember it at all. So when they became capable of having political opinions, they came to more leftist positions than their "support the troops" predecessors. Now that they're adults they have access to the internet and watch less traditional news sources like TV News.
Before 10/7 Gen-Z was more likely to have heard about events like the March for Return protests than suicide bombers and hijackings of the 70s and 80s. Their opinions were more formed by acts of oppression by Israel against generally peaceful Palestinian protesters. Older generations are more likely to remember, and be influenced by, terrorist attacks.
Both of those things are happening. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group; Israel is a genocidal imperialist state. They just happen to disagree on who should die.
I really dont like the phrasing of the questions on those polls you cited. I dont think there's an issue with your analysis but asking "do you support israel or hamas" can be pretty misleading
I also think that WW2 had a great influence on how the West sees ethnic Jews. Due to the holocaust a lot of people believed Israel deserved and needed western support, but as WW2 slowly becomes less relevant, younger generations focus on Israels actions in the present.
In my opinion too, the compensation for the suffering of one people, should not be the cause of suffering for another. At some point you have to leave the past behind and focus on today. And the Israeli state denies the Palestinians from a right to existance, which imo can never be justified. Neither party has conducted themselves well, but the Palestinian stance is more undetstandable to me. Especially considering Israel is actively blocking a solution and they just keep fighting to dominate all of Palestine.
@@carstengrooten3686Israel offered peace and statehood to the Palestinians many times over, they always said no because they want Israel gone. Talk to Palestinians in the West Bank, most of them are not willing to compromise about this.
@@jonathanrotem251nope they've always taken the most fertile profitable land whilst given the palistians the literal desert dooming palistian to a shit economy
It's only the most fertile land because Israeli people worked really hard to make it the most fertile land. When Israel was created they were given the same desert. Israel in it's formative years focused on nation building while Palestine during the same era focused on retaking the land that was just given to the Jewish people. Palestine along with other Arab nations tried and failed to quash Israel but they all failed and now Israel has prosperity while it's neighbor in Palestine doesn't. @@abduking.
@jonathanrotem251 "here's the deal Palestinian, we get the 20% of land which is arable and economically viable in gaza and the west back so you can get the rest, now isn't that a good deal"
For older people, they remember Israel being a country formed by people who survived the holocaust and had to defend themselves against a bunch of neighbouring countries just to continue existing - so they were seen as the victim/underdog back in the day to boomers. Whereas today, young ppl see Israel as the powerful country and Palestine being the poor undeveloped state that’s trying to preserve its population and land so I guess it’s just the typical underdog David vs Goliath plot line that differed greatly between generations
Ah yes, the "poor undeveloped state" that rejected dozens of peace offers that included half of Israel's land and a ready-made, fully-functional economy.
That's a good point. I do feel that older people have forgotten, that modern Israel isn't in those places anymore. Well they are, but they got bigger. A large part of the conflict, and why there has been no progress on the issue since the 60's is because Israel isn't in Israel any more. They have expanded into the bits marked as Palestine, kind of like how the East India company just sort of moved into India. I feel like this has resonated with the generation who are much more broadly coming to terms with our colonial past, and the actions our nations did long ago, and we don't want it repeated. Its like if America won a war with Mexico, and just sort of started building houses and moving in there, after winning, regardless of who started it, and kept doing it for the last 60 years, right up to last week, and counting. The last generation fought for Israel's right to exist. The younger generation just wants it to exist in those places, not that places where the locals are holding deeds to the houses they are knocking down.
@@nathaniellowe5100 Ahistorical take. It's not 'like' anything. It's not the East India company. It's not some random unfitting analogy. It's not david vs goliath. It is not a sob story about muh underdeveloped oppressed nation getting harassed by evil big nation. It's none of those things.
That's not all there's to it. Hamas is clearly a terrorist group. But people have a really hard time understanding the concept that two wrongs don't make a right. Some people think Israel is in the wrong and conclude that therefore Hamas must be in the right. That's obviously a very immature view of the world. The reality is that Israel's administration and many of its people have done horrible things to Palestinians. Meanwhile Hamas has done equally horrible things to Israeli people (and to Palestinians as well). When you tell people that, their head explodes. They can't figure out how there can be multiple bad guys against each other in one conflict, and no good guy to be found anywhere.
@@jhonatancock2302 Hamas stopped election once they were voted into power. There was this deleted statement by Abbas that Hamas does not represent Palestine.
It's important to differentiate between the terrorists and Palestinian civilians but let's not forget the Palestinians chose hamas and most of them support them so you can understand the generalization
I am neither pro Israel or pro Palestine. I do not support Hamas or the Israeli government. I am supporting the children, the pregnant women, the elderly. Whether that be on the Palestinian side or Israel side. I am pro innocent children and civilians.
Meh. There is always too much focus on sides and not enough on goals. "who do you support?" is a question that inherently invites conflict. It should be "what do you think should be the future of the Israel/Palestine situation?" 1. They split into two countries and do their own things 2. Integration into a single country Of course there is basically a 0% chance of either. People are more concerned for their side to be right than how to have a peaceful future.
The problem is that they can't agree on a lot of what could lead to a two states solution. First, let's be honest, the US has its thumb on the scale which means Palestine will get the short end of the stick as long as there can't be fair negocitations. Second there is an obvious religious problem. To me it shouldn't be relevant in political negociations but clearly they see things differently as both want Jerusalem, the place being a religious symbol in all monotheist cults. Trump didn't help when he declared the US embassy had to be in Jerusalem instead of Tel Aviv. Third, access to economical commodities. In 1948 Palestine lost a lot of farmland and it's access to the sea. Basically as Israel colonised more Palestinian lands, Palestine ended up divided between Gaza and the West Bank, which isn't even half what they originally owned. They need to be compensated for that. And now they would also need to be compensated for the destruction of Gaza...
They do not want compensation. When an Arab sells a house to a jew in west bank he is murdered by a mob in the streets. Even if he is not, he can be sentenced to death by PLO court. Abbas has been commuting these sentences but still, unrealistically risky.@@romangysse3690
the state of Israel is inherently violent, such thing as a peaceful coexistence isn´t possible because the zionist project is to erase the native palestinian population in the first place.
The prevalence of social media means that real people share their experiences, among these people are Palestinians, they share their real suffering, and people close to what is happening share their suffering, not media. A video filmed on a phone by someone seeing their home destroyed is more convincing than someone talking on TV.
Exactly. It's one thing when you hear numbers of children killed by IOF it's another thing seeing right before your eyes a heartless soldier kicking a five year old who lays on the ground. Seeing how settlers kill and terrorise while soldier stand by and laugh. I will never forget these images and I will Stand with Palestine until it's free!
I feel like young people look at numbers a lot and think “okay there are more deaths on this one, so the other group is in the wrong” but the fact is that this war VERY this one is complicated and understanding the entire history both politically and religiously is very important. There are many factors and parties in this war, it is not just numbers. Throwing around terms and words like “genocide, colonialism, ethnic cleaning, settlers” and much more doesn’t make it any more true. They see these terms online in regards to the war and think that they’re real but I doubt that they know what they mean. Blindly calling out genocide and saying phrases like from the river to sea without knowing what they even mean just because people online are doing it. The exact same thing goes for those supporting Hamas aka terrorism. They don’t know what it means or what they stand for. The Hamas doesn’t care abt the Palestinians and contrary to a privileged white American woman living in complete safety, no it’s not resistance. Yes it’s sad when you see those videos but there’s a lot more to the war than just those videos and it’s not true that they’re heartless soldiers just doing it bc they feel like it. The children that have died are because of the bombs.
@@celia5957 Yeah beating up children is flase. Making excuses for beating up children is false. And supporting people who beat up children is false. I agree with that
@@celia5957 Sorry but I think I will go with the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention and their expertise instead of yours. You can choose to stay silent but that makes you complicit
People have nothing better to do. There are worse conflicts in the world rn (looking at you Sudan) yet people waste their time looking at a conflict that barely affects them.
How many dollars has the US sent Israel? Over 300 billion! How many Palestinians have died in the most recent war on Gaza? Over 40 thousand! I live in the US. Those who live in the US and Germany should care because their governments are complicit.
That's not even true, the man used Americans as a main topic of conflict but mentioned other nations and other political parties, its about the values of the left and right wings.
Its pretty sad how highly nuanced and complicated issues are framed to have a clear left-wing, right-wing disctintion causing individuals to side with thier political counterparts, rather than indepently research, understand and formulate a view on the issue.
What’s complicated about it? The evangelicals, jews, and corporations made a deal that would benefit them all, create a jewish country in the middle east. Now ask yourself this? Did the Palestinians deserve this and living in a prison for 70 years with a dash of genocide here and there? If no, congratulations you’re a human being!
Another reason: the Palestinian people have documented what is going on on the ground in real time. So people outside of Palestinian can see a none mainstream media perspective of the situation. It makes the situation feel less far away and more visceral
Maybe that's why I'm pro Israel, I follow news, see analysis etc. but never see stuff like photographs of the actual warzone. To me war is just arrows and lines on a map😅 hence my opinions are entirely based on a purely academic understanding of the war with emotions not playing a large role.
@@duovigintillongaming3779 You could have a purely academic understanding of war like Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein and Edward Said and be pro palestinian. Was their academic contribution rooted in emotions?
Watching social media stories from both sides showed who is really the victim in this conflict ,and who is really suffering and has been suffering for a very long of time , time were never been put the light on in traditional media.
The most interesting bit to me was that first chart. I know the focus was on young people, but check out the massive change in the oldest "silent" generation. They went from 70% sympathy for Israel in 2018 to 35% in 2023. It is a change just as pronounced as that of Gen Z and less influenced by the most recent events (which saw the steepest decline for Gen Z). I would be very curious as to why this occurred. You can't use their lack of historical context. If anything, they would be more cognizant of the context of the conflict far better than the Baby Boomers. Was it because the more conservative members of this generation are dying out? Or is there some other influence at play.
The sample size comment is probably correct. However I will say that the silent generation, while conservative in a lot of ways maybe does have a few things in common with the younger ones. They grew up in times of hardship, and war (though very different wars). They saw the economy struggle under the weight of unfettered capitalism, even though the voices making that point were more muted. I do feel that millennials have a lot more in common with the silent generation than they do boomers. I may be mistaken, but I think I remember when Bernie was running in the primary, there were a number of periods (or at least polls) where the silent generation were slightly less against Bernie than boomers were. This may have only been in 2016 though. I don't remember which election it was.
My assumption would be 2 things, 1. time since the holocaust, this is likely a factor for all declines present, but since the silent generation lived it, it is more direct. 2. disdain in "the system" this being far rights blaming the left for going to woke and such, or the left wanting to see corruption in government be resolved. The issue here is both insinuate somebody or a group controls everything, which leads to a finger being pointed at Jewish people, and especially since this generation is growing up with more antisemitic tropes flying around, I wouldn't be shocked if it is subconsciously coming out as the memory of events like the holocaust and Israeli wars have fallen further into the past. all speculation though
I'm troubled by the lack of distinction between Palestine and Hamas here. This is a common trend across most media, even the social media mentioned. I also struggle to find the large numbers of pro-Palestine sentiment mentioned here, seeing mostly support and exaggerated outrage at anyone who isn't supporting Israel. Those who don't do the latter tend, in my experience, to do what's being done here and tacitly conflate the Palestine with the terrorists.
If you are pro-Palestine, you are pro-Hamas, they are pretty much the same thing, the Palestinians support Hamas, just like Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia are all pro-Hamas/terrorism.
In my opinion it’s the other way around. Hamas is getting literally all of the blame at least in Europe while Palestinian civilians are not mentioned at all. We have seen the images of hostages being dragged around the city and how ordinary civilians were hitting, spitting and desecrating them. Furthermore it’s known that the majority of civilians supports Hamas, do celebrate every death of jews and radicalise their children from a young age. They allowed them to build those tunnel systems under hospitals, schools, kindergartens and leaving there armoury in those buildings. Every year the Hamas is growing and gaining aprox. 2000 - 3500 new terrorists. These are all children of family’s who usually completely support their decisions. The civilians are definitely to blame and not innocent.
I sympathise with Palestinians, however Hamas is their government so even though its kind of their dictatorship now, they are still not completely two different entities.
Are these polls maybe biased by using the terms Hamas compared to palestine? Probably most people stand with Israel instead of Hamas but stand with palestine instead of israel
The Palestinians voted in Hamas and I've yet to hear a single Palestinian condemn Hamas' actions or call for the release of hostages so they war will stop. They just want Israel to give up so they can commit genocide against the Jews the way they've been trying to since Israel reclaimed the land.
And yet a lot of young people still think Israel aren't justified in wiping out Hamas, a group that wants to destroy Israel and it's people lol. Young people are more propagandised than i thought
Poll is definitely biased, not a single person stands with Hamas, people are just against Israel and their blatant disregard for human lives. It's the media that insists on using Hamas as a scapegoat because it's the only way they can even attempt to justify the genocide of thousands of Palestinians. Israel bombing numerous hospitals is inexcusable but push the narrative that those hospitals are filled with terrorist and suddenly it's okay. So that's the story they're rolling with. Schools filled with missiles, hospitals where doctors are terrorists, churches full of guns, refugee camps riddled with missile launchers
He missed the main point,and why social media grew more pro Palestinian on the 20th, cause of the indiscriminate bombing and forced displacement of the Palestinian people, Also woke people up to what Israel has been doing for years
I am sorry but how is that when he explicitly says stand with hamas instead of palestine when its obvious caring for human lives is not the same as supporting a terrorist organisation.
I have difficulties about "pro Palestine" and "pro Israel". I am both, against Hamas AND against Netanyahus government. But I am completely neutral when it comes to the people. No matter if it is gonna be a "one state" or "two state" solution. As soon as the ruling people will get their shit together and manage to live peacefully and democratic with each other, the majority on both sides won't care. Unfortunately, at the moment and for the last years, both ruling "elites" benefited by further escalating the situation.
same it's pretty much two groups of nazis who think they are the superior people and kill civilians israil is more powerful so they have just done more
@@matejkacmar325 over 70% percent of the palestinian population was too young to vote when hamas got elected, and Israel funded Hamas to push out the more moderate palestinian parties.
The available alternative source of news and media as you mentioned is probably the biggest factor. The generations before did not have that kind of alternative media and therefore being fed all their information by their main news outlet, whether it is true of false. Alternative media today is a double edge sword. You see both sides and make your own decisions but algorithms create an echo chamber and whichever side you start leaning towards, you get more and more of that content which eventually erases the views on the other side. Its important to understand your sources and not fall into echo chambers.
Social media is often just as bad if not worse than traditional media. Short propaganda riddled messages without nuance. Long discussion and deep understanding don't come from Twitter and TicTok which is where young people get most of their "news".
@@chodoboy you can find them if you bother looking. Which is why i said its a double edge sword. But at least you have 2 sides to compare and make your own decision. If someone bases their decisions on purely short useless/biased snippets, they are not smart
Better than only having 1 source of information which you dont have an opposing view to question. Unless that media is 100% trustable but in my opinion, everything is biased in their own way. You make the decision yourself and dont let others make them for you
The problems is that "alternative media" really isn't that much better than "mainstream media" when it comes to propaganda and misinformation. You'll probably get different perspectives, but I am quite skeptical that people who get their news from Twitter, TikTok and social media are somehow more informed than someone who watches CNN all day. In fact I would argue it's very likely the opposite is true.
@@David-sl6xf I partly agree with you, its not better nor worse. I just feel that its better to have multiple sources of information, that way, we can make up our own minds. We are both having this conversation because we both watched a youtube video (which i'd consider an alternative source of information as well). Im glad to be able to have these conversations because its always important to put yourself in the opposing shoes. We would not be having a conversation like this if not for alternative media
One part of that pole is kind of interesting at 3:36. It compares standing with Israel in opposition to standing with Hamas, which doesn't seem to be the common sentiment. Young people tend to dislike Hamas, but stand with the Palestinians. And have been going to great lengths to separate the two. As Hamas is basically a terrorist group, while the Palestinians are an oppressed people.
what is a palestinian?? there is no historical justification for muslim arabs to claim all of the area. Palestine was the name the romans used cuz they hated jewish rebels and jewish monotheism.
yeah that question was not framed well and they could of chosen to highlight other questions even from that same poll, or chosen to show similar questions from other polls
It is interesting that the number of pro Palestinian TicToc posts climbed measurably right after Oct 7th - months before Israel's military response. Something heartwarming about the murder of 1200 civilians, the rape and mutilation of women, and the illegal taking and torturing of Hostages. You would think sympathy would have been with the victims at least initially and then a backlash once Israel responded militarily to rescue the hostages. Perhaps if some other country was attacked like that the public support would have looked different.
bombing civilians are not act of saving hostages. in the end, zionist main objectives is not saving the hostages. its about killing people in Gaza as many as their can and take gaza as their own. i do not condone hamas action of taking hostages and other unnecessary violent, but the double standard is real. where are you to condemn IDF atrocities towards palestinian before 7 october? where are you to condemn IDF backing extremist jewish settler forcefully evicting palestinian from their home at the west bank?@@robertman6258
@@robertman6258 I agree its become "cool" to support Palestine much like people are allowed to say racist jokes about white people because every thing in the world that is "less powerful" is "oppressed" so Israel is opressing Palestinians its also "cool" because its considered contraversial to support Palestine among the older people (because they have sense in their head) so teens feel cool saying these stuff this leads to more pro Palestinians and the loop doesn't stop
@@robertman6258 It’s 800 civilians, most of whom probably killed by the Hannibal Doctrine (look it up). There is absolutely no evidence of rape and torture either
@@robertman6258 I'd recommend fixing your comment to Spell TikTok correctly before someone bashes you for not spelling it correctly. Have a wonderful day, God bless.
The demographic analysis was interesting, but it would have been even more interesting if you'd taken a bit of a deeper dive into the reasons. I suspect that younger generations see Israel as more the aggressor party (think West Bank settlements) as well as the group with significantly more power (economic and militarily) than the Palestinians. Older generations likely have their views tempered by the regional wars Israel had to fight a few decades ago.
Younger generations have grown up with a distrust of Western military action being a defining political trait (thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan, NSA spying, Syria, Yemen, etc.). Rightly or wrongly Israel is perceived the same, as western countries imposing military power on Palestinians. I wonder if without 9/11 there'd have been some sort of solution by now.
Or at minimal, the older generation, more dependent on centralized media, have really absorbed the framing they were supposed to absorb. These are the same people who still believe in super predators, and the 'war on drugs', and all those other pretexts they were immersed in. They had that conflict spoon fed to them with a specific narrative, and they became invested in it, and like so many things, double down when questioned since to question that narrative is to question their beliefs and identity.
@@neeneko Pretty arrogant and paternalistic view there. You could invert that and claim the younger generation is swallowing all the culture war, pro-Palestinian tiktok soft propaganda being put out by a variety of sources... neither comment really says anything insightful, other than some people may be susceptible than others, but to suggest one generation or another is more prone to it is incredibly naïve, to say the least.
Please…PLEASE citate the fonts. You cannot show random graphics on a political argument, especially since the political groups are founding many of these researches.
I am a Gen Z born in 2002 and my mum said something I strongly agree on; "I am neutral towards the conflict and I don't want to pick a side but I have to agree on one thing, Israel has been occupying Palestine for way too long and Palestinians deserve to have their land and be free from Israel"
Its not their land though it belongs to Israel, but its hard to maintain a country when every single country around you wants to exterminate you because you are a jew and Islam says so, I dont get the logic here. If you don’t understand anything about the conflict why comment?
Tell your mom that first go criticize the palestain leaders that use all money they got from Israel and Qatar to buy weapons and to do terror instead of support in health education and science instead they are acting like corrupt countries so If you gave them independence it will good to the civilians?! Like Iran or Yemen or Iraq or Lebanon?! Let we ask the Gaza cevlians what they prefer and you can see that they prefer Israel not Hamas or other curropt Arab leader As you see in other indipendante Arab country and the head is Palestine in west bank
i am geneuinely impressed at the complete absence of opinions in this video. this is probably the most sensitive and controversial topic right now and this is the first video i've seen that expresses absolutely no opinions whatsoever. you have my deep respect.
It's why I watch them. I generally never finish feeling angry or frightened. Just more informed. As they are not trying to con us into paying attention for ad revenue.
@kxuydhj good to know you are completely ignorant of any facts of the situation. This wasn't a video that was "complete absence of opinions" it was completely absent of opinions you disagree with, there is a difference.
There's a prevalence of "oppressor vs oppressed" perspective that frames the weaker one as "good." Furthermore, the only wars millennials and younger have experienced have been Iraq and Afghanistan, which many perceived as futile and about exploitation of resources
atleast they can understand and justify war for material gains. younger generations however are seeing the backwards ideologies of zionists that have no material or logical reasoning, just a cult.
Another thing to note is that Netanyahu has been the most right-wing PM in Israel's history and has been doing everything he can to seize more and more power hence the recent protests against his proposed changes to the Supreme Court. This makes younger people more skeptical of Israel being the only democracy in the middle east. Everyone agrees that the attack by Hamas is awful and that the real victims in this war are the people who just want to live their lives.
@@ruma_lia Are you trying to say Israel is an apartheid state? I really hope you're not because that is factually wrong. Take this quote from the second holiest piece of literature in Islam, a piece that every Palestinian is familiar with, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." It's far worse than segregation, they will kill any Jew that sets foot in their territory. Then take Israel's declaration of independence, "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." I don't see any apartheid in that!
Not everyone agrees - that's the problem. Far too many young people are stupid enough to support Hamas. Don't pretend being pro-Palestine is some rational "empathetic" decision: it's a decision made out of ignorance and stupidity.
@@waltysalamanderoh my god ur actually insane, why not compare the talmud to that excerpt from the quran instead. like you’re literally seeing israel kill thousands of palestinians, and yet you’re hypothetically talking about palestinians killing a bunch of jews
^This. Mass media from Fox News to CNN are all out there pretending that condemning genocide means you want the shoe on the other foot. How about no? Israel might be our allies but that doesn't mean I have to lie to myself and everyone else that they're the good guys and not the slightly less bad guys that we happen to be allied with.
Hamas is funded by Iran which is kinda anti Sunni. Palestine is almost entirely Sunni. The people of Palestine and supporters of Palestine only put hamas one step below the Israeli government in terms of how badly they have to be dragged behind the shed and dealt with.
If so, then probably more than 90 percent of everyone is "less against" to Palestine Even Piers Morgan started to show some more sympathy to Palestine, that's one example
That’s a cop out. Have the integrity to back your misplaced beliefs. Don’t act like you don’t know what decolonization and from the river to the sea mean. You’ve shown the person you are and now you don’t like it that we know who you are now.
Young people are tired of old people stealing their money, refusing to help them, and having the gall to think they’re going to fight in these wars old people create.
@@michaelstrelnikov I’m not a young person, I am GenX. I see the difference in what was provided for Boomers in comparison to what is being provided now. If you fail to see that blatant difference, you’re being purposely obtuse.
@@maureen2777 Exactly. The "information" (or better to say propaganda) is delivered in unprecedented rate. And absolute most is biased and do not represent facts. Young people are an easy target since they are more tend to watch short videos rather researching.
@@michaelstrelnikov I have no clue what you’re talking about. I do not support Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. I came to this conclusion by familiarizing myself with Jewish scholars, activists, and journalists. Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Gideon Levy, and Noam Chomsky. You completely avoided my initial premise by speaking about parents providing for young adults. This conversation has nothing to do with parents, we’re speaking on the government. You follow up with more nonsense. Are you inebriated?
@@maureen2777 You can support of disappove. Israel treats others as other treats Israel. If palestinians want to kill Jews, Israel close its borders and do not allow passage. Very simple. If people want to create a peaceful country - Israel is all for it. I would suggest you to treat people as you want to be treated.
I agree with the analysis and would also add there's always a feedback loop to follow the herd on any issue, and once one side looks like it's the more popular it becomes reinforced much the same way as the SM algorithms push content
Another reason is while older generations may have only had mainstream media which is often influenced by political and capitalist narratives, social media has allowed to open source news. This makes witnessing reality a lot easier.
Your not technically wrong but i see just as much, if not even more problems with social media then Mainstream media. Mainstream media might sometimes be biased or influenced but social media post often times blatantly lie or put things completly out of context. Just today i saw a social media post that said „israel started the war on the arabs in 1948“ which is simply lying. There is no opinion about this, it’s a fact that the arab nations attacked israel on their own while Israel wasnt showing any aggression whatsoever. I personally think that this matter isnt something you should have an opinion about without knowing the full history about… and there is a fckin load of things that happened a long time ago in this conflict that older generations remember but younger ones never heard about. I personally was pro palestine before i had to work the whole history out for a school project. Thats when i realised how unfair the Israels have been treated not just by palestines but egypts Iran and so on.
Yeah absolutely, while the online media landscape has its own serious flaws, I do think that in the TV-era there was a lot more manufactured consent. Another thing that changed, is that there's a lot more on the ground footage, so it's harder to look past the human cost. And for non-Israelis, Israeli propaganda targeted at its own people seems completely unhinged, because non-Israelis haven't been fed those lies 24/7 since they were young.
I would like to see a graph that compares support for Israel by social class/income level, and then compare it to a graph that shows economic opportunity for young people by generation.
I think it's easy to guess the trend, richer/higher social class people will support Israel(because money machine) and poorer people will support Palestine (because they don't have conflict of interest)
I don't think it's a coincidence that there's a sharp change in people who came of age during the "war on terror". We saw our own government manufacture evidence to justify a war. I know I'm a lot more skeptical about official statements, especially where foreign affairs are involved. I was in middle school in 2001. Seeing the rise in Islamophobia and the genocidal rhetoric from people I had thought were reasonable had a profound impact. Especially since it came the same year we covered the holocaust.
The government didn't manufacture evidence, that's where the intelligence led us . The whole world thought Hussein had those weapons because he led everyone to believe he did . He didnt want to be attacked by another country after loosing the gulf war .There's a documentary on it .
Younger generations during the cold war also supported the USSR and communism. Young people often are more radical and start to grow up their oppinions start to change.
Those "younger gen" are the boomers here and red scare is a thing if you forgot. Most hollywood and video games portray commie and soviet or russia as bad and its planted in them up and echoed through generation. Nothing has to do with growing up. Its how environment mold people and older gen spreading thier beliefs to youner one and cycle continue
I don’t know if you intended this to sound like “oh grow up. If only you were more mature you’d agree with me” but that is how this comes across so I will respond to that. (And yes I realize it’s been 7 months) young people are not necessarily more “radical” they’re more flexible to change. People who wanted what the USSR was doing were wrong(at least in my and seemingly your opinion) but the reason wasn’t that they were young and immature it was that some were uninformed, interpreted information differently, or some really did just want a world wide communist revolution. There are always radicals in any group but it is often far from the consensus.
Older generations also watch mainstream media (cnn,fox etc) and mainstream media is very biased when reporting about this subject. While younger Generations rely on more newer methods to see the conflict (things like gazan reporters on ground with actual footage of what’s happening)
You mean all of the propaganda videos young people are fed by social media? Corporate media is bad, but so is the garbage spewed on the internet. For example, an entire group of young people were convinced that a navy vessel on the WEST coast was bound with weapons to Israel and they attempted to board it. That isn’t something people do unless they were lied to.
@@fungunsun1 True, but by everyone at once instead of a single actor. So you can compare every different biased perspective to find the one most in line with the facts.
Neutrality is not the same as being non-biased. There is such a thing as a neutrality bias, and it’s pervasive in corporate media. Like when they had climate scientists and oil industry propagandists debate climate change as if the two positions were equally valid.
What the fuck? At 3:30 minute there is a graf about who supports Israel and who supports Hamas but there is not even a word about someone who could support Palestine but not Hamas? Did you ever hear the word objectivity?
This video is actually brain rot... the producers who made this have never taken a college-level statistics class in their entire lives. I'd be surprised if any of them even made it to college.
@@C0ntrasteBr I’m not trying to say I am the most qualified, but that doesn’t change the fact that they did a bad job. Even then, I’m a third-year business economics major at a top 25 university, so yeah I think it’s safe to say I could do better than whatever college dropout or liberal arts major that made this video.
@@C0ntrasteBr crazy u calling ppl you don’t even know “lil bro” though… if ur ballsy enough to talk like that in real life, ur gonna lil bro the wrong person one day.
TLDR’s new favorite word is “unprecedented”. Nearly every video, and often many times… and nearly every time in the opening hook. Not everything is unprecedented.
The older generations remember an Israel that was the underdog, especially in the US where we cheer the underdog. It faced 4 states that were more or less capable and had joined in a coalition to attack the Jewish state. Today Israel is a regional superpower, nuclear armed and its former adversaries are a collection of failed states, collapsed economies, or states so riven with internal conflicts that they are nations only in name. This is the Israel that younger people know. They are more or less aware of the treatment dealt out to people in the occupied territories and how constant settler activity diminishes any chance for a peaceful two-state solution.
@@BusArch42 Of course, Israel allowed Palestinians independence within a highly-dense, minuscule strip of land without any natural resources, while the rest of the land the Palestinian people lived was under occupation, even with the governing PLA collaborating with Israel, and Jewish settlement in Palestinian land being encouraged. And that is not to say that Gaza was blockaded from land and sea and the Gazans depended on their enemies for energy and sanitation. What an independent Palestine! What a two-state solution!
@@guilhermesavoya2366 their failure to develop power, water and sanitation using the money provided was their own choice. Instead that money was used by their legal government to fund terrorism. It’s no accident that Egypt blockaded Gaza also. They have a large sea access area that they could have used as well. These are violent people who do not want peace. They elected a terrorist organization to rule over them. The fact you say they are dependent on their “enemy” for physical infrastructure speaks volumes. You are correct. They view Israel as their enemy. How can there be peace when every single person in the Gaza Strip wants only to destroy Israel? Even so, Israel tolerated continual rocket attacks from Gaza for over 15 years. Gaza has been attacking Israel since they had the option. As far as over population - maybe stop having 20 kids? That’s a choice.
I feel like it is more related to younger people are watching independent media and get the narrative from both side. Adding to that young people are more distrusting of the government and think they are corrupte and not acting in the best interest of the people. When adding all things up it makes sense
Yeah, I don't think people are really getting the narrative from both sides. You have to remember that since the advent of the internet there is now far more "independent media" and social media, which is gonna be far more biased and partisan leaning with algorithms that serve each of us more of that content. That's far more polarizing or "radicalizing". There used to only be several large news orgs with journalists constrained by "the fairness doctrine" in news reporting to only report facts, present both sides fairly, and without opinion and editorial bias. It wasn't perfect, but a lot of news today is hyper partisan.
@@shadowboyii You're assuming the big legacy news orgs are "government feeds" and not adhering to journalistic standards. Do you think Watergate or the Pentagon Papers could've come out if the US government controlled the news? People tend to defend their ideological beliefs by denying objective facts or reporting. Worse yet, they turn to partisan news like Fox that tells em what they want to hear. Social media algorithms make it far more unlikely that most will fairly seek out counter arguments.
The thing with gen z’s really is most of them supporting any social issue is just for show. To seem morally superior, theyd quickly forget when a new social issue arises and they can focus on that next.
If this is true, would you care to explain the reasons behind the billions of dollars in revenue that Starbucks lost due to the Pro-Palestine boycotts? Is this also "for show?"
@@wazzup233well said. If anything most people are pro-peace but many people of the younger generation and in the left think that means being pro Palestine. In reality it doesn’t make sense for leftists to be pro Palestine when Palestine hates leftist values, especially regarding topics of abortion and homosexuality, being one of the most homophobic countries in the world. They don’t realise what they’re supporting while thinking they support peace
Tell that to the countless demonstrators who see Hamas as freedom fighters and not terrorists, dress up as terrorists for protests, hold signs with paragliders, rip down posters of kidnapped children, rip down Israel flags, display violence towards Jews indiscriminately etc
I think the only other reasons I’d add is war weariness. 20 years in Afghanistan, plenty of folks in the younger age groups who’ve been effected either directly or indirectly. When I saw that a majority of Americans of all political affiliations were in favor of the US calling for a ceasefire, I did immediately think that was odd. But as I’ve interacted with people of various ages while out shopping, running errands, at work, taking my mom to appointments, etc (and I live in a really conservative area), I hear people saying they don’t want the US to get dragged into another conflict. That seems to be the difference between Israel-Hamas and Ukraine-Russia….folks here are afraid that the US will be dragged back into the Middle East into a conflict whereas only the folks older than my parents (who are Boomers) seem to worry about getting dragged into Europe. I guess it doesn’t help that for most other generations that the US keeps being involved in the Middle East with horrible consequences and it seems these generations, at least where I live, aren’t interested in going back. I remember when the news came out saying US bases in Syria were being attacked. The response wasn’t “Oh that’s awful we should fight back” it was usually: since when do we have bases in Syria?, why are we in Syria?, were we invited by the government of Syria?, I thought we left the Middle East?. So yeah, that’s likely driving the desire by a majority across the political spectrum for a ceasefire and the disconnect between politicians, the traditional news media, and the people isn’t helping politicians’ or traditional news media’s reputations with the people. But otherwise I think what you discussed definitely explains why there’s generational gaps, but I don’t think the gaps are necessarily as big as the data makes it seems when you account for folks war weariness overall. Like I said, I’ve been surprised by the polling and by what I’m hearing from the conservative folks around me (like we literally had a battle over the summer regarding the local library having a small display of LGBTQ+ books, so yeah I don’t believe for a moment that my area is just more leftist/liberal all of sudden).
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The only thing I wanna say is that I disagree with the phrasing of the US “being dragged into a conflict” when they were the ones actively going into the last bunch of conflicts by choice. The military industrial complex has its tendrils everywhere and fuels a lot of warmongering.
You'd be surprised. Many people think Hamas is just a peaceful organization and is fighting a liberation fight not actually a militant Islamist organization.
@@MasterGhostfthere's multiple layers/seporation to hamas I think. How separate they are I don't know, but some will presumably run local services, while others are militants or terrorist.
It is very nuanced. Hamas actions does not exist in a vacuum. Many people see the formation and acts of Hamas as a response to decades of oppression. Keep in mind that even before Hamas came into power Palestinians were already being killed. People also forget that not all Hamas fighters fight for the same reason. Alot of the Hamas fighters are young and grew up in occupation and lost their families and homes. Any person who grew up subjugated to oppression will have a very destructive mindset and will never have any sympathy for their oppressors. These individuals would have never become Hamas fighters if they never grew up under occupation. Then there are Hamas fighters who do fight just because they enjoy destruction. These individuals exist in every army. Psychopaths are often drawn to positions of power. Many people believe that the constant bombardment of Gaza is just going to create another generation of mentally disturbed individuals who want to get revenge for what has happened to them. Hamas most definitely is the problem but the occupation is what created Hamas and Israel's extreme attacks on Palestine is what inspires/breaks Palestinians to become Hamas fighters. People need to get off their high horses. I know it's difficult to imagine but when our lives are relatively easy we think that we are morally incorruptible. I'm very sure many people would become terrorists if they had to endure what Palestinians went through.
As a 19yro conservative Christian, I am proud to show my unwavering support for Palestine, Semitic(Arab/Jewish) people, and US taxpayer's money. You're too naive about taxes, maybe you'll learn why a lot of young adults with opposite ideologies support Palestine or at least against financially supporting the parasite nation of Israel who controls our govt and Biden.
young people tend to be more idealistic, progressive and anti-establishment (represented by USA,west an Israel now). it's not something new. They want to see ideal justice worldwide even if it's not attainable when it comes to this rusty conflict.
So they want justice and anti-establishment, but they support Islam. A bunch of lost anarchists who neither know or want to know anything. The lost generation
Young people have grown up with the internet, and their schooling has taught them how to use it for research. Therefore, they are more likely to spot misinformation from legacy media outlets. Moreover, news can often be seen live on social media, where you can witness legacy media outlets presenting falsehoods.
Pick your poison (propaganda). Social media: high chance of liberal propaganda, if you follow the right accounts you may get genuine good news though. Mainstream News (CNN, Fox and the likes): unfiltered pure american and therefore capitalist propaganda. th-cam.com/video/ZggCipbiHwE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KikfIJ0sG9d02EHB
The question "Who you support more Israel or Hamas?" Is such a bad use of statistics and polling 1 is a country, the other is a political party/terrorist organisation The question should be "Who do you support more Israel or Palestine" or "Who do you support more Netanyahu or Hamas" (Even then this one sucks because people are far less likely to know who Netanyahu is)
Palestine doesn't have power Hamas does helping Palestine helps Hamas if you would send supplies to Palestine who do you think will have the authority and power to take them and distribute or keep them for themselves armed militia or innocent citizens?
@@st.altair4936 Neither side is willing, especially Palestine. Israel offered peace and coexistence in the past, but Palestine didn't want that. Palestine wants Israel gone completely and aren't willing to compromise. Israel responded by being absolute assholes, controlling their utilities and trade. Palestine gains terrorist militias who now run the country, launching attacks on innocent civilians, and now Israel is doing the same. Now we're in a situation where peace is impossible.
I noticed that question and i think its also a good question. This video showed atleast a dozen graphs, all but one has Palestine, not hamas. I believe that one poll was actually needed to make measure the support for hamas explicitly as well.
You do realise Hamas was democratically voted in by its people. The same people the celebrated on their streets after October 7th. Get your head out of the sand.
There could also be a religious aspect : in America, the staunchest supporters of Israel are evangelicals and generally practicing Christians are pro-Israel, as for religious people the idea of creating a country specifically for a religious group seems more natural, while young people tend to be way less religious.
Except that in Israel, the middle-class and middle-upper class are mostly secular. The people who pay the most taxes are less religious than the people who receive the taxpayers' money in many forms. The institutions are too archaic though, way behind the general public mood
It's not really about creating a country for a religious group, it's about the prediction in the Old Testament that there won't be the 2nd coming of Christ and the "Rupture" until the Jews aren't in the "Promised Land" of Jerusalem. What's funny about that is that the Bible says that only the Jews who convert and become believers in Christ will go to Heaven, the rest will be damned.
@@ktom5262 it's also funny because there's so many videos of Christians getting hated on by the zionists. So these evangelicals are supporting people who don't like them... bit ironic
@@analogboi, Our family experience is different. As a family of well educated ( across 4 generations) , the phrase “ i used to think like you are..” comes up a lot. College and Uni are perfect places to rebel, feel heard, express superior views etc. I found that opinions changed once responsibility of a family occurred and the focus became about someone else. Less time on social media, and different conversations happen.
These polls don’t seem to take into account the distinction that you could be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas. And though I do not want to discredit the lack of trust towards journalists, it seems to me that separation is an important part of the nuance that is overlooked for a black and white narrative.
Or they don't take into account Americans could be Pro American or anyone in the West could be Pro Western and don't want Israel's war weakening America's foreign policy. How's it going to look when we go back to Ukraine, when we let 11 K and counting civilians die and abused our veto to shield Israel in the US, similiar to how Russia abuses its veto to protect itself in the Ukraine war? Why would the world who's outraged by what's going on in Gaza listen to us on Ukraine to agree to a Western approach to solving Ukraine's war? If you want to be Pro Israel or Pro Palestinian, go off in a little corner and fight it out. But to the grown ups that actually are concerned about their own Western countries. Young people today see the big picture where older adults just see you either support Israel or Palestine. Young people want to be adults.
This is what I'm slightly concerned about. Considering that nowadays governments don't fully represent the true identity of the country they governed in.
@@v5hr1ke It doesn't matter, politicians understand the difference. And they can see their country's and world opinion. If they think Pro Palestinian is the same as Pro Hamas, then they should ignore that group of people....and wind up getting kicked out of office in democracies or overthrown in other countries. Nobody needs stupid leaders that can't tell that most of the world that's outraged by Israel's war is not Pro Hamas. If a leader can't figure that out, they don't need to lead.
The problem is not just Hamas. It's Palestinian society. Apart from anti-semitism, which is actively sponsored by the Palestinian Authority (not Hamas), Palestinians have demonstrated that they are unable to build a decent state. They were given Gaza and turned it into a Caliphate. Anytime they are given some land they turn it into a platform to launch missiles on Israel. We should come to terms with the fact that Palestinians will never build a nice peaceful liberal democracy. This is just a Western projection. They would likely do what they did in Gaza. Do we want another Iran where gays are killed, women are discriminated and other religions are not accepted? No thanks. Meanwhile Israel allows same-sex marriage, gives the right to vote to Arabs, accepts multiculturalism and open societies. We should hold Israel accountable for how it responds to attacks, but the idea that Israel is the evil one just because it's militarily stronger is bullshit.
I would even say that, even if it's not visible here, most studies and medias do not make a difference between religions and countries. At least in France, choosing a side is almost like choosing your favorite religion and insulting the other one.
Did they really ask if people supported Hamas or Palestine in those polls? They are very different things. That's like mixing up Israelis and Jews. Also knowing about the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank by Israeli settlers has done Israel no favours. It is hard to appear as the underdog when the Israelis are the one throwing Palestinians out of their homes so they can use them instead.
Except most of the land was purchased from Palestine for the Israel settlers. It’s a moot point tough as Gaza is not the West Bank. Hamas control Gaza if you didn’t know.
The Israelies have retracted their borders 4 times since 1948 giving land back to the arabs . How ever each time they do this the result is more terrorist attacks and more random rockets targeting civilians within Israel.. I hope israel pushes back until they are back to the much more defensible 1949 borders.
Israel is a diverse place with Jews, Arab and others while Gaza is controlled by Hamas which a brand of Muslim Brotherhood and guess who allied with German during WWII? Then you have your answer.
Man, I hate how this generation is characterised with social media and tiktok, it’s sad but true. It feels like some people are cyborgs with their phones
That raise another problem? Why they go for social media for information, because the unjustified bias and lies of the traditional media If the truth is shown on both , they would have just checked both equally
Yeah but in this case theres a blockade by israel of all press in gaza. They cant get in. So The only news that comes out is by palestinian reporters who are trapped in gaza, who are using their phones and uploading to TikTok. Im not saying theyre “influencers” doing social media, they are real reporters but theyre using social media because there is no other way. They’re trapped, using car batteries to charger their phones, uploading what they see. And dying there too. Thats why we have all been stuck looking at our phones during this massacre, to see what’s happening in gaza. Besides that all there is is pro-israel news that tris to say that what we are seeing are lies. You choose.
Very interesting. I really like the aspect you guys took to expand on the age disparity on this topic with statistics, especially the social media aspect, which has been on my mind for the last month on how younger people have a distrust towards established media and are shown first hand accounts from both sides what is happening in real time
Do young people actually distrust established media though? Sure they don’t trust CNN or fox as much as the older generation, but the young generation hops on every bandwagon that comes across their Vine/Insta/Facebook/TH-cam/TikTok, and are very willing to cite Wikipedia as a source (despite that still not being academically valid) which are all pretty well established. They definitely trust established media, just not the same sources as older generations.
@@Nitsirtriscuit your Wikipedia comment is silly. Wikipedia sources everything on its site. Any competent person still sources Wikipedia, just through the sources within the page itself, and not directly Wikipedia.
@@waiifii22the traditional media also spread misinformation on the beheaded babies and the massacre bombing of the hospitals in Gaza, which they blatantly blame Hamas for it which is false Or worse they don’t report on the subject at all if it’s not in their interests
Yeah, but without context it's pointless, like a majority of the opinions on the internet........zero context, zero historical knowledge, and a ton of misinformed screeching people.
i can tell that trying to ask if i support either Israel or Hamas is biased. I want Palestinians to live happily but i dont support Hamas in anyway. The population and the organization are not always thinking the same (a tale as old as time)
Israel helped the creation of hamas . And Netnyaho himself said many times that he supported hamas . Sadly without a solution to their suffering extremism will always rise . You can't tell someone living as second class citizens having his entire family killed by occupation. And tell him he's wrong for wanting revenge
You can say you want that but what a lot of us zoomers fail to do is actually assess whether that is even possible in the first place. How the hell do you support Palestinians who don't support Hamas without supporting Hamas? Because there are a plurality of Palestinians that do support Hamas. Furthermore, what is Israel meant to do? Hamas took 200 hostages and slaughtered 1,500 people on October 7th. Are people just expecting Israel to just not respond with force and just accept hostage diplomacy? Name me any other country where such country was held to such standard.
@@inbb510 The IDF and Netanyahu already knew, more than likely. Maybe what they could've done is not allow an attack to happen just so they could have an excuse for war.
if you really want to support the palestinians, how about do some history research and then you will realize that its because of their stubborn leadership they live the way they live israel offered many deals many times for peace with palestine, and the palestinian rejected every single one of them.
Younger generations also experienced Israel almost their whole live with an far right majority in the government actively pushing settlement in occupied territory. Netanjahu is in power for 16 years now so for an average 30 year old he is the political symbol of this state.
The irony is that Netanyahu got back into power after the Hamas bus bombings of the late 1990s. He had lost standing in the national revulsion against the far right that came up after Rabin was assassinated by the far right. But Hamas started killing random civilians on mass transit and suddenly the far right didn’t look so bad to scared people. But wait! It gets better! Starting in January the Israeli population engaged in massive anti-government protests, protests that ended when Hamas attacked in October. For all that Nuttin-Yahoo is an ass, he owes Hamas a huge thank you for keeping him in power.
... you are aware that settlement was a bipartisan goal right? And it still is. Stuff like the 1960s war was perpetrated too occupy the territory and settle the regions held by palestinians, many military officials admit too that fact and have admitted too it. This is not about which side you choose. Zionism as long as it is political is a form of colonial settlement, everything since herzl was.
@@p.strobus7569So, who is financing Hamas? Iran alone has not that much money - Iran needs to finance its own Army, its own nuclear program and its own groups after all, and its economy aren't in a great shape.
@@madjames1134 Hamas is a quasi-government, able to tax Gazans. Their military works cheap (which is why rockets sometimes break up over hospitals). Iran is a petro state locked in a battle for supremacy over the Gulf with its Saudi neighbor. (And said neighbor was juuuust about to normalize relations with Israel so putting extra towards disrupting that was an easy call. And then there’s zakat for the Palestinian cause which can be skimmed to buy weapons per usual. There are so many sources for funding that all they need are enough bloody shirts to wave in order to recruit the next “Juden Raus” party.
As a young(ish) American, I find it odd that we conflate being pro-Palestine with being pro-Hamas. For that matter, you can support ethnic Arabs in the land of Israel/Palestine without supporting a state of Palestine OR the group Hamas. I think Americans are largely sympathetic, but we don't know who to blame when innocent people on either side die.
A couple of these polls have questioning that does not really reflect the stance many younger people have, which is that they don’t stand with Israel or Hamas, but rather the rest of the innocent victims, most of whom are Palestinian.
stop justifying these acts hamas was voted on by the people with their sole purpose to "kill jews" and "destroy Israel" it hurts me to see how foolish people can be on the internet but that is not reality most people support Israel .
its not a race who can kill more its a war, hamas attacked israel without having shelters for bombs for their civilians, they have the biggest tunnel system in the world and they never made one spot for their innocences, instead they let them die on the street, if a small country attacks a big country , what do you think gonna happen, israel dont want a second october 7 and they have all the rights to make sure its not gonna happen
Reject the dichotomy of supporting one camp and not the other. Plenty of activities of either group are shocking, ruthless, negligent or deluded. And they also believe God is with them, which is quaint
Little feedback: could you write the polled country on poll graphs. You only mention it orally and I sometimes miss it or forget. That's essential context. And that wouldn't take a big space anyway.
Interesting, but what I missed was a distinction between Hamas, the Palestinian people, Israel and the current Israeli government. I get that in short videos you can't get all the nuance, but this distinction is really important for this divisive issue.
Extremists tend to see the world as black and white, good and bad, oppressor and oppressed. It's harder to be self-righteous if you acknowledge all the complexities and grey areas.
I don't know what the other guy is talking about. But what do you think about the video that casually interchanges pro-palastine as being pro-hamas. All the stats and the protests that he's talking about are explicitly pro-palastine, but the video golsses over it and says pro-hamas several times. Don't you think that's intentional or even an unintentional bias?
As an really appreciate the way you handled the video and its content. It's nice for a change to talk about what the facts are, and what the statistics are without taking any sides. I'm quite upset recently by celebrities and power figures voicing their opinions (no matter what side they are) without context and historical information and then inspire or mislead so many people worldwide.
Israel is an apartheid state (50 laws different for non-Jews) with an Illegal settlement expansion. Also, while Jews have historical ties to the region dating back 3,500 years, the Canaanites, who are the ancestors of the Palestinians, had already been established there long before the arrival of the Jews. Holding a party close to a region marked by significant and systemic oppression (i.e. Gaza which is an open-air prison), especially when such oppression is executed as "collective punishment" by one's own government, reflects deep insensitivity. As individuals, confronting injustice is not just an option, but a duty; that is the stance they should have adopted instead of dancing around. It is important to note that they were on land that is internationally recognized as Palestinian territory, which has been occupied illegally by Israel. Simply put, they should not have been on that land. Also, the notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier. 50 laws that make Israel an apartheid state: 1. Law of Return 2. National Planning and Building Law 3. Broadcasting Authority Law 4. Basic Law: Israel Lands 5. Israel Land Administration Law
@@dragonlord3402 Maybe it's not so mindless for one side. People can see with their eyes, both Hamas and the IDF and Israeli government and the West Bank extremists.
So much false information stated here wow! Palestinians were mostly Syrians, some Greeks/Arabs, moved into Judea by the Romans after the third Jewish revolt in the 2nd century to repopulate the province. Around a millions Jews died and the rest of them were exiled from Judea. The province was changed from Judea to Palastinia. The Eastern Romans called that province Palestine. Palestine was invented by the Romans. @@justsain3236
I think the pro palestinian side have been very good at playing into the anti-colonial sentiments of the younger generations in the west, who are far more likely to see something like the british empire as a definitively bad thing for the world. Israel is often seen as a product of the final decades of imperial rule in the middle east, an country willed into existence through treaties and mandates by the british, who were infamously one half of Sykes-Picot. While Palestine itself is also a colonial product, it's seen more as a natural successor nation than Israel is, where the natives take over the land the british once controlled. Israel is seen as almost a form of settler colonialism, a country of outsiders who in the eyes of many don't really belong there.
The Israel-Palestine conflict traces back to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, where Israel began settling and colonizing Palestinian lands. A noteworthy aspect is that younger generations often align with Palestine due to increased visibility and documentation of events, which wasn't as prevalent in the past. Nowadays, information about the conflict is more accessible, allowing individuals to form their own opinions. Some argue that mainstream media, including outlets like BBC and CNN, may present biased perspectives and lying about reality, leading younger generations to seek alternative sources.
Funny because Palestine is actually the colonisers of the land after Rome destroyed the Jewish rebellion and scattered them they renamed it Palestine and replaced them. Israel has a right to exist and defend themselves.
@@Croz89Israel as a nation of the Jews has existed for thousands of years. It’s identity has not changed. The only change is that during the Muslim period, a lot of Jews converted to Islam. A lot also kept their religion. But Israel has consistently and continuously existed, autonomous or not, nearly as far back as written record
One thing I've noticed so far arguing on social media is that a lot of people, who I suspect are older, seem to be pro-military in general in a way that no young person I know would be. When Americans of my generation think of the military, they think mostly of a series of quagmires which were also humanitarian disasters. So the automatic assumption is that whatever the IDF is doing is a quagmire and a humanitarian disaster. (And I mean, I don't think we're wrong!) But I keep hearing from even older people who don't seem to be that pro-Israel that Israel is going to "destroy Hamas" or "take out Hamas". And I hear claims like that the way I heard Bush claiming he was gonna find WMDs in Iraq. It just seems completely delusional to me.
Im Young and i think everyone who Supports Hamas has clue what they are supporting. It simply Shows how dumb, undecated and ignorant Most people are. No one, who has all informations would Support a terrorist Organisation that denies Basic Humans rights and force people, especially women, to live under the islamic law sharia. In Here in the West you See Young uninformed women spreading Hamas propagada. Its a shame for our Generation.
Yeah, people think Afghanistan was a quagmire, but "younger" people forgot that country exist and look at them now, they don't live better under taliban boot don't they?
A generation that thinks you will de-arm Hamas and get back the hostages by making them a cup of tea I think is a generation that has been wrapped in cotton wool. Thankfully we don’t have gen z running our world just yet.
These polls undermine the key issues and the key reasons that people stand in solidarity with Palestine. They present extremely leading questions that blur the lines between pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas and unjustly favor Israel. 1. The poll at 2:50 asks “Is Israel justified in eliminating the Hamas government in Gaza” - Yes / No This undermines the core issue citizens of the world have with Israel’s disproportionate response to October 7th. It’s truly not a matter of Israel vs Hamas, but rather the magnitude of Israel’s actions and whether they constitute ‘self-defense’ or retaliation. This poll misrepresents the issue, which ought to be “Is Israel justified in amassing 11,000 civilian casualties in pursuit of eliminating the Hamas government in Gaza” 2. Likewise, in timestamp 3:20, the poll asks “Who should America support in this conflict?” -Isreal -Hamas Again, this frames the public discourse in how we define Hamas, as a terrorist organization or a freedom fighting force, and completely disregards Israel’s responsibility to uphold international law. An alternative and frankly more telling question would be “Should America support Israel in this conflict?” -Yes (native land, holocaust survivors, self defense, allies) -No (occupiers, zionist hypocrisy, genocide)
Here is very easy answer: in real world -} if you US doesn't support Israel -} they would give Hamaz green light to prepare new attacks in Israel in future. People would live in constant fear. This way Israel would become more unstable, economy & life quality would go down.This a real consequence. People really undervalue the support for terrorism all of Pro-palestine movement brings. Instead, nobody wants to host Palestine victims or come to pick up to them for rescue. Youth don't talk how Hamaz don't let 'their' people to even evacuate.
Ok, because I know my eyes and ears weren't decieving me. Is pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas interchangeable? I mean, the current media trick is to label it as such.
@@Markadown If we want to put it simple: - Hamas is an islamist organization that took power in Gaza Strip thanks to 2006 elections; it is considered a terrorist and extremist organization, being also that in its Constitutional Card from 1988 it says that its goal is to destroy Israel; - The Palestinians are the people/civilians living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and that before the foundation of Israel used to live there as well, tho at that time they didn’t think of themselves as a nationality. Some of them, especially in Gaza Strip, support Hamas; many others don’t.
Pro Palestine is pro Israel, if hamas falls and the gazans would stop attacking Israel they would be free as a bird and will never need to fear Israel, just like Jordan and just like Egypt peace treaties
wouldnt it be great if Palestine as a whole would denounce Hamas, in reality, they are the same thing. find me any Palestinian parading in the street that would denounce Hamas as a Terrorist group, they wouldn't because "they are freedom fighters". people might be smart enough to know killing children is stupid on bothside, but Hamas needs to man t f up and stop hiding behind the children then.
I can only speak about Germany where a clear trend can be seen. The older population is largely 85-90% German. Many of them are strongly influenced by the culture of remembrance of the Holocaust through the media at the time, school or their own family hostory That's why you usually see older people at pro-Israel rallies in cities like Berlin - sometimes they're mostly people over 50. These types of rallies are usually rather quiet. On the other hand, the younger population is extremely mixed, especially in the big cities. In some large cities such as Frankfurt, Cologne or some districts of Berlin, 60-80% and in some residential areas even 90% have a foreign and mostly muslim background. Many of these young people have a completely different attitude towards the topic due to the media, political influence from foreign politicians, classmates (mostly muslims), social media, their own family and the views of family members. Among them there is also in no reason to adopt the German culture of remembrance or the special German relations with Israel. Young Germans without a migration background, on the other hand, usually stay away from the topic or are more left-wing and march together at the demos - also because of social media or foreign friends who usually have a clear opinion on it. I think it is no different in other Western European countries.
It is very weird for older Germans to support Isreal to that extent. Two wrongs do not make a right. Supporting Isreal in ethnically cleansing the Palestinian lands of Arabs, Muslims, and the Palestinian people does not in any way "make up" for your parents' part in cleansing central Europe of Jews. "My parents turned a blind eye to the German government putting Jews into death camps, and now I will turn a blind eye to the Israeli government bombing children in Gaza." Is that really the best way Gramps can deal with the generational guilt of his parents' actions? I should hope not.
I find it really disaponting that Germany seems to have rationalized its WW2 guilt as "We must let the folks we committed Genocide on now get their turn at committing Genocide", rather then "Genocide is bad and no one should do it". We saw that not only Isreal but also Russia was given this pass, the rest of Europe got Germany turned around on Russia but their no progress on Isreal.
@@kennethferland5579if Israel are commiting genocide, they must be pretty bad at it, as the Gazan and West Bank population more than doubled in the last 20 years.... Show me one genocide where the population grows so rapidly instead of shrinking.
" In some large cities such as Frankfurt, Cologne or some districts of Berlin, 60-80% and in some residential areas even 90% have a foreign and mostly muslim background." 'Some' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there in combination with 'mostly muslim' in that sentence.
Polls like this that ask very open-ended questions and conflate different groups are not useful for interpretation because the results will be heavily influenced by how different groups interpreted the question. For example, the Hamas vs Isreal and the Palestine vs Isreal polls make it seem like most young people support both Hamas and Palestine. But if you asked young people if they support Hamas or Palestinian civilians, you will quickly realise the error. And what if you phrased it as: “Do you support the genocide and oppression of Palestinians?”. Do you think most older people would say yes? I doubt it
@@luisshorts. Then you're also supposed to support the Israeli people in that case? If your position is "support civilians, not government", then what the hell is the point in claiming you're one side or another? Stating "I'm pro-palestinians" instead of "I'm pro-civilians" makes you clearly pick a side, and if you're saying that way then you're also supporting hamas as it's the acting government in power in Gaza. The statement sounds even more f**ked up if to draw the parallel with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and claiming there that "you're pro-russian", but specifying then that "I'm supporting people, not kremlin". Well then, do you know that those russian people largely support putler and the further murder of the Ukrainian people? Do you know that much of the Gazans are brainwashed to the point they support hamas genocidal terror actions? Think twice before you speak and also better abstain from chanting "from the river to the sea" genocidal slogan without even knowing what is this slogan about.
All these people say they are pro this or pro that but all they do is say they stand with something and get intoxicated by the idea they’re on the moral high ground without actually doing anything to help.
What do you suggest? taking up arms? We're not allowed to do that here the UK! Luckily the 'Forgotten Generation' who's support for Israel has ALSO plummeted, know the heinous COST of ignoring ANY State's descent into fascism - knows this aint no game! Luckily for England, we had the 'intoxicated' 1936 Battle of Cable Street, against Mosley's BUF Nazi party (look them up) - a darling of the establishment, quite capable of forming a Government, a man who certainly would NOT have 'fought them on the Beaches' but welcomed Mr Hitler as an honoured Guest! Back then the 'pragmatic' mature' thing would have been cut cut a deal - our military was in TATTERS when Churchill made his first speeches... More to the point, Estabilshment Jewish and labour leaders ordered thier members NOT to protest - luckily these self-righteous 'Virtue Signallers' did what was right and beat down the bad guys, at considerable cost (the Police were there to PROTECT Mosley and his goon squad) - theres not many things taht make me proud of where I come from, but take a look for 'Mosley Tries Again' when he attempted a comeback in 1962, and got a VERY hot reception - those are MY streets!! Seems to me many of the older generation have gotten tired of having morals, so they develop thought-terminating cliches such as 'Virtue Signalling' and 'performative' - thankfully the horror of Trump has woke (sorry) many of us to the reality of innuendo without data, accusation without substance, truth vs UNtruth So, when exactly did you stop having a conscience Bryan?
@@whathell6t Yes, search for the polls conducted there that state they support hamas. Not to mention that they voted in Hamas. So yes, hamas and Palestine are the same
You'd think support for Hamas and support for Palestine are 2 different things but literally everybody holding up signs in London condemning Hamas have been attacked...
why does the poll have "i stand with hamas" as an option but no "i stand with palestine" option 💀no one actually stands with hamas, including palestinians
I think it’s important to note that the left/right political alignment is informed by the political views of the individual, not the other way around. To say that young people side with Palestine because they “are more left-wing” is overly simplistic.
@@Callisto_52Hz Colonization? They live there for more than a hundred years. What you call colonization is migration. I guess you are also against Mexicans or name your migrant boogieman? What Palestine demands is irredentism and simply put, genoicde. It'd be so much easier if they would agree to have their own state... which they historically always rejected. If my country maintained this attitude up to the modern times we'd have been partitioned again, to destruction, and I'd be speaking some other language.
I get your point, but people’s existing political position will strongly affect their information sources. The connection between Islamic sectarianism and the far left may seem odd and is certainly opportunistic. But a connection can be seen psychologically, rage against a gentler but more powerful and/ or competent adversary.
I think the point as they explained it is valid. For one thing, they didn't cite it as the only reason, but merely as _one_ reason that it _might_ be increasing. Second, partisanship is very very very real, and while there are plenty of divisions and diversity within any coalition, viewpoints _tend_ to align across the board. If a person leans left/right on a half dozen or so issues, or very strongly believes in a few, then they will be more _likely_ to also support most if not all the other viewpoints held on that side, because the media that they tend to watch will tend to reinforce that side, the politicians they elect to support their own priorities will also be supporting those other priorities, etc. You might not go in caring about that cause, but over time, you would be more _likely_ to shift toward support of it than someone who is firmly in an opposing ideological camp. Broadly speaking, it likely _is_ a factor here, that as Israel as presented to young people i more about aligning with far right positions, they would flinch away from it, whereas to older generations, their viewpoints were entrenched in prior periods of a more moderate and post-holocaust position.
0:13 Correction. The Pro-Palestine marches and rallies have taken place across Asia, Africa, South America, and other Middle Eastern countries, not just “The West”.
South America is also “The West”. It’s primarily composed of people who descend from Western Europe, speak Western European languages, and have cultures similar to Western Europe. The only reason many USAmericans deny that is because they don’t want to be associated with developing countries, as if it’s not their fault.
CORRECTIONS:
At 4:30, the labels on the graph are wrong: the blue line represents Democrat sentiment, while the red line represents Republican sentiment.
Apologies for this sloppy error, and hope you nonetheless enjoyed the video!
You guys seriously need to hire a few QA people who just watch the video and report errors before it goes live
You got your ages wrong.
I call this a Brit moment
The whole "red/blue" issue is a mess. It's always been the red for the left (democrats) and blue for the right (republicans) because "Red" is the color used by leftist, i.e. communist and socialist, societies. This was the standard color association for everyone, and still is outside of the US. A number of years ago, the mainstream media decided that Americans were too stupid to figure this out and changed red to mean republicans because they both started with "R". This is a super easy mistake for content produced outside of the US. I'm an American and I still associate red with the left (the red scare), but I'm 63 years old and remember when my countrymen were held to higher mental standards.
For such a big error, this should be taken down and re-uploaded.
I just think it’s funny that regardless of which side you support, people call you racist either way
The realest comment. 😂
So what does that matter ?
@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 What kind of question is that?
But one side is actually protesting for peace whilst the other is not… so one is right and the other isnt
@@fader1912 Are they protesting for peace? Or are they just pro-Palestine and want a ceasefire so Hamas can rebuild and slaughter another 1300 innocents as their own leader has said they will, given the opportunity?
Gen Z white protesters may be protesting for 'peace' - but the rest of them are chanting 'from the river to the sea'...
I think it's worth noting that older generations can remember Isreal being attacked by its neighbours. They viewed it as a plucky David. Most youngsters have grown up watching well armed men on tanks firing at kids throwing stones. For them, Israel looks like Goliath.
I like this metaphor. Also worth noting that things do change, the U.S. used to be the "plucky" upstarts against the British ourselves! The only thing that concerns me is that for many people, any criticism of the governments involved (either one) is equated to racism, which is a huge barrier to open and honest conversation.
Whats funny, is that Palestine is the modern name for Phillistine and Israel obvioulsy Israel. Its so weird and ironic
Philistine is not the old name for palestine its just in arabic as there is no P in arabic@@ramsesrhodes6241
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Its NOT weird and ironic!
Palestine called like that to moke israelis by rome.
This sums up the optics pretty perfectly
One of the biggest reasons I think it has changed from previous conflicts, it's that now with social media there are way more videos/photos/info of people in distress because of the war. Things the established media doesn't show us on TV because of mature/graphic content. Which, I believe it creates empathy towards them.
Dude you think young people have empathy for civilians in war zones. Don't
@@Walkdplankfrankand you think that applies to everyone younger?
so this means there is no active target of hamas but only innocent bombings of gazan civillians ?
@@Walkdplankfrank..are you projecting? Why wouldn’t people care about people in war zones? I don’t understand
Also media showed us single buildings lightly damaged in Ukraine, and I was like "this is bad, Russia should not do this". Now they show whole citys completely destroyed, maybe one civilian building barely standing and the media is like "yeah this is fine and necessary, this time you should side with the country targeting civilians, because who knows one of those might have been Hamas".
It’s so frustrating that every little thing has to become left or right. It’s so much more complicated than that but the big guys in charge have drilled it in over a hundred years that you’re either conservative or you’re liberal and that’s how everything else in the world works too
well if you also hate the liberal - conservative divide, which is propelled by the ruling class, you should check out marxism. The difference between conservatives and liberals is so small that us, leftists dont really bother to differinciate
liberalism is literally on the political right an actual leftist who isnt just a moderate often identifies as a socialist
The Democrat Party is the controlled opposition, so to speak. If there wasn't a party to oppose far right ideas and give lip service to social democratic ones, it would be lot more obvious how little control we have. Of course if you're paying to attention and comparing what politicians on both sides say verses what they do, it's still pretty obvious. In reality, the US is closer to a fascist state: privatization of traditionally government services, imperialism, hyper-patriotism, and militant anti-communism.
thats because in Capitalism this is the dichotomy between mankind... If you support Israel, and have the minimum knowledge about history, you're conservative/liberal
in America u mean ?
I think it's important to point out the wording in the questions in the polls. A lot of them ask about support for Hamas, not Palestine. Most people who support Palestine don't necessarily support Hamas.
Indeed, and most who feel support for Israel don't support Netanyahu...
He's effectively been a dictator since 2009 somewhere, and HAMAS haven't had elections since 2006.
It's easy to feel sorry for the ordinary people caught up in the narcissism of their elected(?) psychopathic leaders.
Something we all need to avoid happening in our own countries too....
yeah its bc Israeli lobbying. the narrative is to conflate the two: all palestinians are hamas gives them justification
Unfortunately, that's what morons like TheDailyWire, PragerU, & Douglas Murray mislead their supporters on. Not like those same guys even care for Palestinians at all anyways. We see corporate Dems even agreeing with fascist Republicans on to giving Israel weapons to attack civilians from both sides in Gaza. Hamas is doing doing genocide on civilians as well, but unfortunately, Israel is so defended hardcore to a point where it feels like their is no sympathy towards innocent Palestinian hostages the same way the centrist & conservative media claim they care about Israeli lives.
@@maeiyaayou just said a whole lotta nothing
@@maeiyaa I despise hamas, but I can sympathize with Palestinians who are victims of hamas or Israeli government
There is another factor not mentioned in the video: support for Israel was also based on remembering World War II. The first and second generation born after that deluge were still part of the collective memory, that formed as the result of The War. Later generations are not part of that.
In a way I feel as though the opposite is true. I've seen a lot of people compare Israel to Nazi Germany, and while the comparison isn't exact, the parallels do exist. They even admitted to secretly performing eugenics on Ethiopian Jews a decade ago.
One particularly damning argument I've heard is that Israelis, of all people, should understand what it means to force people out of their homes and killing innocents en masse. The former makes the West Bank expansion seem hypocritical and the latter makes the current invasion especially hypocritical.
This is an underrated point. It’s embarrassing how little my generation knows about the Holocaust.
@@notabot8581 the past doesn't matter. It is about what is happening now.
@notabot8581 im only 25 but things like BoB and Saving Private Ryan were a big part of my teenagehood. And there was still many ww2 veterans around when I was a kid.
@@grimgrahamch.4157 Comparison between the Holocaust and Israel/Jews is called “Holocaust inversion” and it is antisemitic.
I feel it should be made clear that being pro Palestine is NOT the same as being pro Hamas! The atrocities Hamas has committed are horrific and Isrial’s answers are also horrific. This is ultimately about allowing Palestine as a people to exist and for all people to recognize the legitimacy of each other’s narrative.
@@bartandaelus359 plurality in 2006, 50 percent of the population was not alive in 2006, there was a calculation that only 15 person of the population tha voted for hamas is still alive and that is not an excuse the alternative was a corrupt israeli puppet,using this logic American citizens deserve to die cause they vote bush? it makes no sense
@@bartandaelus359 The majority of Palestinians living under that regime today were not even alive yet during that election. Also the Hamas back then proclaimed to be pro-democratic while the only other viable party, the Fatah, wasn't the better choice at all.
And even then, the Hamas never got a majority of the votes even back in 2006. It was a plurality.
What a weird point to make.
@@bartandaelus359 Nearly 20 years ago. The median age in Palestine before the war is about 18, meaning most Palestinians are children.
How many people over 35 are there now, do you think? Of whom 44% of those WHO VOTED voted for Hamas?
And that's before pointing out that collective punishment is still A Bad Thing.
Mmm. Don’t forget who elected Hamas into power.
@@KR-us9pj See my comment above, or the one by Doogie2K3.
To add to that, what makes you think that punishing civilians for the faults of their government is a justified act, in general? Don't throw everyone under the same bus.
I think there is also the timeline of the conflict in comparision to your age. For instance , the older generations have their memories filled with events were Israel was the defender against arab agression ( 1967,1973) while the younger generations can recall of Israel being the agressor , especially since the intifadas (from 1987)
they also have a memory of Jews being persecuted, it's still the case nowadays but not the point where they were killed in camps. Also a war between states is less "morally challenging" than a war between a militant group and a state because now you have two views: 1) Hamas are terrorists and did a horrible thing 2) Hamas are only the product of Israeli oppression and they will use whatever means necessary to liberate their nation. And both are true it's just that young people are more aware of 2).
You forget the Nakba in 1948, when Israel was the ethnic cleanser.
The six day war was initiated by Israel and provoked by Israel. High ranking israeli officials have themselves attested to this.
@@thedualtransition6070Necessity for survival. That was a correct step
@@005ishanigoswami5 No, a state where Jews and Palestinians could have been created in 1948 because this region was very well known for being the region where the 3 major religions live in peace and it was true Jewish Christian Muslim lived together in peace but the Jewish immigrants by their egoism they wanted to create a totally Jewish state that had and because of this peace which reigned turned into war and that you absolutely cannot tell me that it was to survive we recall that the Jews who wanted to avoid the mustachioed German immigrants mostly in Muslim countries because they were the only ones who accepted their difference in beliefs and were not allied with the mustachioed German, that's survival, what they did in 1948, that's just of barbarism
It’s interesting that you looked at ethnic backgrounds in America but not in Europe, I assume it’s because that data wasn’t available but I think it’s a pretty telling factor. In the US ethnic minorities are Hispanic or Black, while in Europe they’re mostly people from the Middle East. I think that would be a significant reason for Europe’s more pro Palestine stance.
also a lot of european countries don't differentiate between ethnicities.
@@fusssel7178 yea, it’s illegal to collect ethnic data in France for example
Speaking as a white British under-30 living in London, I can definitely see that affecting the data, but I don't think it *explains* the data. In other words, even if Britain was 100% white, I still think the younger generation would be significantly pro-Palestine.
The easiest explanation is because young people have inherited a shitty status quo and they want to dismantle it.
I believe it's incorrect to say that in Europe that most non-white populations are from the ME. Plus, you don't have to be from that region to be Pro-Palestine. For example, some, if not many, Afrodescendants like myself see the struggle for Palestinian liberation as concomitant with other anti-colonial struggles. More widely, this is seen as part of the broader anti-racism movement.
Those polling questions were ridiculous!!! “Do you stand with Israel or Hamas?” “Should the US stand with Israel or Hamas” “are Israel justified in attacking Hamas” young people are PRO-PALESTINE, not Pro-Hamas, those questions were purposefully trying to get people to condemn Hamas and support Israel and Young people just aren’t falling for it.
Exactly! I'm surprised more people are not pointing out. Palestine /= Hamas. That framing is so disingenuous
Was Hamas elected by the Martians in 2007 and having been kept in power since then?
@@ilonacsordas4250that's sophistry and you know it
@@ilonacsordas4250in 2007? You mean 16 years ago? While the median age of Palestinians is 19yo? Please tell me how this makes sense.
@@ilonacsordas4250Hamas at the time was a pro-democratic party that advocated for a peaceful resolution with Israel, condemning any terrorist attacks on Israel as well. Additionally, the alternative party was embroiled in corruption. More than half of Palestinians weren't born when the election took place either.
The older generations have a collective remembrance of the Holocause and the atrocities against Jews, and therefore lived a long time where anti-semitism was a big issue in their society. The younger generation lived through 9/11, and US's wars in the Middle East, and so Islamophobia was the big societal issue that their generation was more cognizant of. I frequently hear older people say that Hamas is "anti-semitic"--they literally are killing Jews. But for the younger generations, what they see is an ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinian Arabs, violence at Mosques, and removal/limiting of rights. Millennials also see this as a race issue, by some conversations I've seen online. And so, it hits closer to home for them and to what societal issues they've cared about these past two decades.
But the very older generation who experienced and thankfully survived Holocaust are also speaking out against Israel. This generation also witnessed the racism against Jews by British establishment that did not wish to welcome them as refugees to Britain. Reluctantly only letting Jewish children enter.
that's bold to assume that Holocaust survivors who do not support Israel government's decisions like Gabor Mate to not have memories of Holocoust
When antisemitism was a big issue in society people were more anti Jewish than pro Jewish in general, that's what a society with an antisemitism problem is. They weren't pro Israel because they liked Jews, they were so antisemitic they screwed up efforts at rescuing Jewish refugees from Europe.
The thing with Gen Z is that they weren't adults during 9/11, and some don't remember it at all. So when they became capable of having political opinions, they came to more leftist positions than their "support the troops" predecessors. Now that they're adults they have access to the internet and watch less traditional news sources like TV News.
Before 10/7 Gen-Z was more likely to have heard about events like the March for Return protests than suicide bombers and hijackings of the 70s and 80s. Their opinions were more formed by acts of oppression by Israel against generally peaceful Palestinian protesters. Older generations are more likely to remember, and be influenced by, terrorist attacks.
Both of those things are happening. Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group; Israel is a genocidal imperialist state. They just happen to disagree on who should die.
I really dont like the phrasing of the questions on those polls you cited. I dont think there's an issue with your analysis but asking "do you support israel or hamas" can be pretty misleading
I agree, the issue is complex and some people dont treat it like a football team like saying which do you support then two sports teams.
I agree, from hundreds of pro palestinian people/activists and demonstrators i know NONE likes Hamas, they just want justice for palestinians
isn’t Hamas in control of the gaza strip
well then it's a problem that there even is any support for Hamas
@@killer_piranha99x4 They are, but the thing is, Israel is attacking the West bank too, which hamas isn't in control of.
I also think that WW2 had a great influence on how the West sees ethnic Jews. Due to the holocaust a lot of people believed Israel deserved and needed western support, but as WW2 slowly becomes less relevant, younger generations focus on Israels actions in the present.
In my opinion too, the compensation for the suffering of one people, should not be the cause of suffering for another. At some point you have to leave the past behind and focus on today. And the Israeli state denies the Palestinians from a right to existance, which imo can never be justified. Neither party has conducted themselves well, but the Palestinian stance is more undetstandable to me. Especially considering Israel is actively blocking a solution and they just keep fighting to dominate all of Palestine.
@@carstengrooten3686Israel offered peace and statehood to the Palestinians many times over, they always said no because they want Israel gone. Talk to Palestinians in the West Bank, most of them are not willing to compromise about this.
@@jonathanrotem251nope they've always taken the most fertile profitable land whilst given the palistians the literal desert dooming palistian to a shit economy
It's only the most fertile land because Israeli people worked really hard to make it the most fertile land. When Israel was created they were given the same desert. Israel in it's formative years focused on nation building while Palestine during the same era focused on retaking the land that was just given to the Jewish people. Palestine along with other Arab nations tried and failed to quash Israel but they all failed and now Israel has prosperity while it's neighbor in Palestine doesn't. @@abduking.
@jonathanrotem251 "here's the deal Palestinian, we get the 20% of land which is arable and economically viable in gaza and the west back so you can get the rest, now isn't that a good deal"
For older people, they remember Israel being a country formed by people who survived the holocaust and had to defend themselves against a bunch of neighbouring countries just to continue existing - so they were seen as the victim/underdog back in the day to boomers. Whereas today, young ppl see Israel as the powerful country and Palestine being the poor undeveloped state that’s trying to preserve its population and land so I guess it’s just the typical underdog David vs Goliath plot line that differed greatly between generations
Oversimplification
Ah yes, the "poor undeveloped state" that rejected dozens of peace offers that included half of Israel's land and a ready-made, fully-functional economy.
That's a good point. I do feel that older people have forgotten, that modern Israel isn't in those places anymore. Well they are, but they got bigger. A large part of the conflict, and why there has been no progress on the issue since the 60's is because Israel isn't in Israel any more. They have expanded into the bits marked as Palestine, kind of like how the East India company just sort of moved into India. I feel like this has resonated with the generation who are much more broadly coming to terms with our colonial past, and the actions our nations did long ago, and we don't want it repeated. Its like if America won a war with Mexico, and just sort of started building houses and moving in there, after winning, regardless of who started it, and kept doing it for the last 60 years, right up to last week, and counting. The last generation fought for Israel's right to exist. The younger generation just wants it to exist in those places, not that places where the locals are holding deeds to the houses they are knocking down.
@@nathaniellowe5100 Ahistorical take. It's not 'like' anything. It's not the East India company. It's not some random unfitting analogy. It's not david vs goliath. It is not a sob story about muh underdeveloped oppressed nation getting harassed by evil big nation. It's none of those things.
That's not all there's to it. Hamas is clearly a terrorist group. But people have a really hard time understanding the concept that two wrongs don't make a right. Some people think Israel is in the wrong and conclude that therefore Hamas must be in the right. That's obviously a very immature view of the world.
The reality is that Israel's administration and many of its people have done horrible things to Palestinians. Meanwhile Hamas has done equally horrible things to Israeli people (and to Palestinians as well). When you tell people that, their head explodes. They can't figure out how there can be multiple bad guys against each other in one conflict, and no good guy to be found anywhere.
I think there is a problem with the questions referring interchangeably to pro hamas or pro Palestine, many people see them as different.
They are different?
The palistinians voted to put hammas terrorists in charge, there is no difference between hamas and palestine.
@@jhonatancock2302 Hamas stopped election once they were voted into power. There was this deleted statement by Abbas that Hamas does not represent Palestine.
It's important to differentiate between the terrorists and Palestinian civilians but let's not forget the Palestinians chose hamas and most of them support them so you can understand the generalization
@@merlin5849...over 15 years ago
I am neither pro Israel or pro Palestine. I do not support Hamas or the Israeli government. I am supporting the children, the pregnant women, the elderly. Whether that be on the Palestinian side or Israel side. I am pro innocent children and civilians.
你支持谁都一样，反正只是表达了除了实际帮助以外的帮助。
yeah peace
i hope you do your search to find out how many child has israel killed since 7 oct or even before like in 2014 or 2002 ....
If you don’t support Palestine then you are on the side of the colonizer. Sorry but you’re evil
Oh then stay at home and enjoy your Meal. Because always in a war there are no innocent civilians these are consequences of wars for centuries
Meh. There is always too much focus on sides and not enough on goals. "who do you support?" is a question that inherently invites conflict. It should be "what do you think should be the future of the Israel/Palestine situation?"
1. They split into two countries and do their own things
2. Integration into a single country
Of course there is basically a 0% chance of either. People are more concerned for their side to be right than how to have a peaceful future.
The problem is that they can't agree on a lot of what could lead to a two states solution. First, let's be honest, the US has its thumb on the scale which means Palestine will get the short end of the stick as long as there can't be fair negocitations. Second there is an obvious religious problem. To me it shouldn't be relevant in political negociations but clearly they see things differently as both want Jerusalem, the place being a religious symbol in all monotheist cults. Trump didn't help when he declared the US embassy had to be in Jerusalem instead of Tel Aviv. Third, access to economical commodities. In 1948 Palestine lost a lot of farmland and it's access to the sea. Basically as Israel colonised more Palestinian lands, Palestine ended up divided between Gaza and the West Bank, which isn't even half what they originally owned. They need to be compensated for that. And now they would also need to be compensated for the destruction of Gaza...
“There is always too much focus on sides and not enough on goals” There it is. The problem with modern politics
@@EdgeLieextremists on both sides? you mean the literal nazis throwing white phosphorus on innocents, destroy homes and lives vs a kid with a rock?
They do not want compensation. When an Arab sells a house to a jew in west bank he is murdered by a mob in the streets. Even if he is not, he can be sentenced to death by PLO court. Abbas has been commuting these sentences but still, unrealistically risky.@@romangysse3690
the state of Israel is inherently violent, such thing as a peaceful coexistence isn´t possible because the zionist project is to erase the native palestinian population in the first place.
I am glad you actually acknowledge how demographic changes effects politics
Affects but yeah
🤓 Affects*
I knew this was the case but wondered if it’d be acknowledged.
Uhhhh, isn't it obvious? The only one who doesn't follow this rule is North Korea.
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The prevalence of social media means that real people share their experiences, among these people are Palestinians, they share their real suffering, and people close to what is happening share their suffering, not media.
A video filmed on a phone by someone seeing their home destroyed is more convincing than someone talking on TV.
Exactly. It's one thing when you hear numbers of children killed by IOF it's another thing seeing right before your eyes a heartless soldier kicking a five year old who lays on the ground. Seeing how settlers kill and terrorise while soldier stand by and laugh. I will never forget these images and I will Stand with Palestine until it's free!
I feel like young people look at numbers a lot and think “okay there are more deaths on this one, so the other group is in the wrong” but the fact is that this war VERY this one is complicated and understanding the entire history both politically and religiously is very important. There are many factors and parties in this war, it is not just numbers. Throwing around terms and words like “genocide, colonialism, ethnic cleaning, settlers” and much more doesn’t make it any more true. They see these terms online in regards to the war and think that they’re real but I doubt that they know what they mean. Blindly calling out genocide and saying phrases like from the river to sea without knowing what they even mean just because people online are doing it. The exact same thing goes for those supporting Hamas aka terrorism. They don’t know what it means or what they stand for. The Hamas doesn’t care abt the Palestinians and contrary to a privileged white American woman living in complete safety, no it’s not resistance. Yes it’s sad when you see those videos but there’s a lot more to the war than just those videos and it’s not true that they’re heartless soldiers just doing it bc they feel like it. The children that have died are because of the bombs.
@@s.b.662that’s false
@@celia5957 Yeah beating up children is flase. Making excuses for beating up children is false. And supporting people who beat up children is false. I agree with that
@@celia5957 Sorry but I think I will go with the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention and their expertise instead of yours. You can choose to stay silent but that makes you complicit
People have nothing better to do. There are worse conflicts in the world rn (looking at you Sudan) yet people waste their time looking at a conflict that barely affects them.
How many dollars has the US sent Israel? Over 300 billion! How many Palestinians have died in the most recent war on Gaza? Over 40 thousand! I live in the US. Those who live in the US and Germany should care because their governments are complicit.
correct
americans after successfully turning a war in asia into a "them democrats vs republicans" issue
That's not even true, the man used Americans as a main topic of conflict but mentioned other nations and other political parties, its about the values of the left and right wings.
Asia???
@@eli3998yes the Middle East is in Asia
big joe is pro israel though
@@eli3998american finds out middle east is in asia 😱
Its pretty sad how highly nuanced and complicated issues are framed to have a clear left-wing, right-wing disctintion causing individuals to side with thier political counterparts, rather than indepently research, understand and formulate a view on the issue.
What’s complicated about it? The evangelicals, jews, and corporations made a deal that would benefit them all, create a jewish country in the middle east. Now ask yourself this? Did the Palestinians deserve this and living in a prison for 70 years with a dash of genocide here and there? If no, congratulations you’re a human being!
Yeup, Israel is right.
I don’t think everyone should be required to research every topic.
The media is at fault for not conveying nuance.
-They have one job.
Nothing is complicated about it. If you can build Apethied wall and then arm a violent settlers. Then you are the bad guys
@@54032Zepolright about what? Just murdering 4k kids?
Another reason: the Palestinian people have documented what is going on on the ground in real time. So people outside of Palestinian can see a none mainstream media perspective of the situation. It makes the situation feel less far away and more visceral
Maybe that's why I'm pro Israel, I follow news, see analysis etc. but never see stuff like photographs of the actual warzone. To me war is just arrows and lines on a map😅 hence my opinions are entirely based on a purely academic understanding of the war with emotions not playing a large role.
@@duovigintillongaming3779 You could have a purely academic understanding of war like Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein and Edward Said and be pro palestinian. Was their academic contribution rooted in emotions?
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@@duovigintillongaming3779 purely academic understanding? Stop kidding yourself
Watching social media stories from both sides showed who is really the victim in this conflict ,and who is really suffering and has been suffering for a very long of time , time were never been put the light on in traditional media.
The most interesting bit to me was that first chart. I know the focus was on young people, but check out the massive change in the oldest "silent" generation. They went from 70% sympathy for Israel in 2018 to 35% in 2023. It is a change just as pronounced as that of Gen Z and less influenced by the most recent events (which saw the steepest decline for Gen Z). I would be very curious as to why this occurred. You can't use their lack of historical context. If anything, they would be more cognizant of the context of the conflict far better than the Baby Boomers. Was it because the more conservative members of this generation are dying out? Or is there some other influence at play.
Almost certainly an artifact of small sample size
@@beachboysandrew This. Graph should likely be dismissed for the most part because it's fluctuations are horribly erratic
o.o
The sample size comment is probably correct. However I will say that the silent generation, while conservative in a lot of ways maybe does have a few things in common with the younger ones. They grew up in times of hardship, and war (though very different wars). They saw the economy struggle under the weight of unfettered capitalism, even though the voices making that point were more muted. I do feel that millennials have a lot more in common with the silent generation than they do boomers.
I may be mistaken, but I think I remember when Bernie was running in the primary, there were a number of periods (or at least polls) where the silent generation were slightly less against Bernie than boomers were. This may have only been in 2016 though. I don't remember which election it was.
My assumption would be 2 things, 1. time since the holocaust, this is likely a factor for all declines present, but since the silent generation lived it, it is more direct. 2. disdain in "the system" this being far rights blaming the left for going to woke and such, or the left wanting to see corruption in government be resolved. The issue here is both insinuate somebody or a group controls everything, which leads to a finger being pointed at Jewish people, and especially since this generation is growing up with more antisemitic tropes flying around, I wouldn't be shocked if it is subconsciously coming out as the memory of events like the holocaust and Israeli wars have fallen further into the past. all speculation though
I'm troubled by the lack of distinction between Palestine and Hamas here. This is a common trend across most media, even the social media mentioned. I also struggle to find the large numbers of pro-Palestine sentiment mentioned here, seeing mostly support and exaggerated outrage at anyone who isn't supporting Israel. Those who don't do the latter tend, in my experience, to do what's being done here and tacitly conflate the Palestine with the terrorists.
If you are pro-Palestine, you are pro-Hamas, they are pretty much the same thing, the Palestinians support Hamas, just like Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, Iran, Saudi Arabia are all pro-Hamas/terrorism.
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In my opinion it’s the other way around. Hamas is getting literally all of the blame at least in Europe while Palestinian civilians are not mentioned at all. We have seen the images of hostages being dragged around the city and how ordinary civilians were hitting, spitting and desecrating them. Furthermore it’s known that the majority of civilians supports Hamas, do celebrate every death of jews and radicalise their children from a young age. They allowed them to build those tunnel systems under hospitals, schools, kindergartens and leaving there armoury in those buildings. Every year the Hamas is growing and gaining aprox. 2000 - 3500 new terrorists. These are all children of family’s who usually completely support their decisions. The civilians are definitely to blame and not innocent.
I sympathise with Palestinians, however Hamas is their government so even though its kind of their dictatorship now, they are still not completely two different entities.
Hamas and palestine are one and the same
Are these polls maybe biased by using the terms Hamas compared to palestine? Probably most people stand with Israel instead of Hamas but stand with palestine instead of israel
It would be interesting if they made a poll where “Israel” is replaced with “Likud” or “Netanyahu” or “the IDF” instead.
The Palestinians voted in Hamas and I've yet to hear a single Palestinian condemn Hamas' actions or call for the release of hostages so they war will stop.
They just want Israel to give up so they can commit genocide against the Jews the way they've been trying to since Israel reclaimed the land.
And yet a lot of young people still think Israel aren't justified in wiping out Hamas, a group that wants to destroy Israel and it's people lol. Young people are more propagandised than i thought
Poll is definitely biased, not a single person stands with Hamas, people are just against Israel and their blatant disregard for human lives. It's the media that insists on using Hamas as a scapegoat because it's the only way they can even attempt to justify the genocide of thousands of Palestinians. Israel bombing numerous hospitals is inexcusable but push the narrative that those hospitals are filled with terrorist and suddenly it's okay. So that's the story they're rolling with. Schools filled with missiles, hospitals where doctors are terrorists, churches full of guns, refugee camps riddled with missile launchers
Only 1 out of like 10 graphs shown used Hamas instead of Palestine
I wish more videos were like this. No hate, no rage, just good hearted research and curiosity. Thank you!
He missed the main point,and why social media grew more pro Palestinian on the 20th, cause of the indiscriminate bombing and forced displacement of the Palestinian people, Also woke people up to what Israel has been doing for years
I am sorry but how is that when he explicitly says stand with hamas instead of palestine when its obvious caring for human lives is not the same as supporting a terrorist organisation.
He is still biased tho. Or at least framing it wrong.
Missing a lot of information though, like the hatred of jews and how that is a massive pulling factor in this case.
@@RightfootWestHamthey are the culprits. Every country they have been they have been kicked out and I think thats for a reason
I'm pro-Israel and pro-Palestine, but anti-Israeli government and anti-Hamas.
I have difficulties about "pro Palestine" and "pro Israel". I am both, against Hamas AND against Netanyahus government.
But I am completely neutral when it comes to the people.
No matter if it is gonna be a "one state" or "two state" solution. As soon as the ruling people will get their shit together and manage to live peacefully and democratic with each other, the majority on both sides won't care. Unfortunately, at the moment and for the last years, both ruling "elites" benefited by further escalating the situation.
Woah, thank you. I don't have a completely formed opinion yet, but I agree with your statement!
same it's pretty much two groups of nazis who think they are the superior people and kill civilians israil is more powerful so they have just done more
Pro palestine does NOT mean pro hamas
@@RealLargeManTheGiantOneso what does it mean? Palestines dont fight, but they democratically elected Hamas...
@@matejkacmar325 over 70% percent of the palestinian population was too young to vote when hamas got elected, and Israel funded Hamas to push out the more moderate palestinian parties.
The available alternative source of news and media as you mentioned is probably the biggest factor. The generations before did not have that kind of alternative media and therefore being fed all their information by their main news outlet, whether it is true of false. Alternative media today is a double edge sword. You see both sides and make your own decisions but algorithms create an echo chamber and whichever side you start leaning towards, you get more and more of that content which eventually erases the views on the other side. Its important to understand your sources and not fall into echo chambers.
Social media is often just as bad if not worse than traditional media. Short propaganda riddled messages without nuance. Long discussion and deep understanding don't come from Twitter and TicTok which is where young people get most of their "news".
@@chodoboy you can find them if you bother looking. Which is why i said its a double edge sword. But at least you have 2 sides to compare and make your own decision. If someone bases their decisions on purely short useless/biased snippets, they are not smart
Better than only having 1 source of information which you dont have an opposing view to question. Unless that media is 100% trustable but in my opinion, everything is biased in their own way. You make the decision yourself and dont let others make them for you
The problems is that "alternative media" really isn't that much better than "mainstream media" when it comes to propaganda and misinformation. You'll probably get different perspectives, but I am quite skeptical that people who get their news from Twitter, TikTok and social media are somehow more informed than someone who watches CNN all day. In fact I would argue it's very likely the opposite is true.
@@David-sl6xf I partly agree with you, its not better nor worse. I just feel that its better to have multiple sources of information, that way, we can make up our own minds. We are both having this conversation because we both watched a youtube video (which i'd consider an alternative source of information as well). Im glad to be able to have these conversations because its always important to put yourself in the opposing shoes. We would not be having a conversation like this if not for alternative media
One part of that pole is kind of interesting at 3:36. It compares standing with Israel in opposition to standing with Hamas, which doesn't seem to be the common sentiment. Young people tend to dislike Hamas, but stand with the Palestinians. And have been going to great lengths to separate the two. As Hamas is basically a terrorist group, while the Palestinians are an oppressed people.
Meanwhile, Isreal is doing everything in their power to make sure as many Palestinians join Hamas as possible.
exactly this
what is a palestinian?? there is no historical justification for muslim arabs to claim all of the area. Palestine was the name the romans used cuz they hated jewish rebels and jewish monotheism.
just said my thoughts out loud! i also found it weird when they compared israel and hamas
yeah that question was not framed well and they could of chosen to highlight other questions even from that same poll, or chosen to show similar questions from other polls
I support Palestine. I don't support Hamas. I also support Israel. I support the innocent people, children, elders. I just want peace.
Social media is by far the most influential factor in the rise of pro-Palestine sentiment.
It is interesting that the number of pro Palestinian TicToc posts climbed measurably right after Oct 7th - months before Israel's military response. Something heartwarming about the murder of 1200 civilians, the rape and mutilation of women, and the illegal taking and torturing of Hostages. You would think sympathy would have been with the victims at least initially and then a backlash once Israel responded militarily to rescue the hostages. Perhaps if some other country was attacked like that the public support would have looked different.
bombing civilians are not act of saving hostages. in the end, zionist main objectives is not saving the hostages. its about killing people in Gaza as many as their can and take gaza as their own. i do not condone hamas action of taking hostages and other unnecessary violent, but the double standard is real. where are you to condemn IDF atrocities towards palestinian before 7 october? where are you to condemn IDF backing extremist jewish settler forcefully evicting palestinian from their home at the west bank?@@robertman6258
@@robertman6258 I agree its become "cool" to support Palestine much like people are allowed to say racist jokes about white people because every thing in the world that is "less powerful" is "oppressed" so Israel is opressing Palestinians its also "cool" because its considered contraversial to support Palestine among the older people (because they have sense in their head) so teens feel cool saying these stuff this leads to more pro Palestinians and the loop doesn't stop
@@robertman6258 It’s 800 civilians, most of whom probably killed by the Hannibal Doctrine (look it up). There is absolutely no evidence of rape and torture either
@@robertman6258 I'd recommend fixing your comment to Spell TikTok correctly before someone bashes you for not spelling it correctly. Have a wonderful day, God bless.
The demographic analysis was interesting, but it would have been even more interesting if you'd taken a bit of a deeper dive into the reasons. I suspect that younger generations see Israel as more the aggressor party (think West Bank settlements) as well as the group with significantly more power (economic and militarily) than the Palestinians. Older generations likely have their views tempered by the regional wars Israel had to fight a few decades ago.
Younger generations have grown up with a distrust of Western military action being a defining political trait (thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan, NSA spying, Syria, Yemen, etc.). Rightly or wrongly Israel is perceived the same, as western countries imposing military power on Palestinians.
I wonder if without 9/11 there'd have been some sort of solution by now.
You mean centuries ago?
Or at minimal, the older generation, more dependent on centralized media, have really absorbed the framing they were supposed to absorb. These are the same people who still believe in super predators, and the 'war on drugs', and all those other pretexts they were immersed in. They had that conflict spoon fed to them with a specific narrative, and they became invested in it, and like so many things, double down when questioned since to question that narrative is to question their beliefs and identity.
@@juniorolumide Israel has had to fight 6 wars since 1948, so no not "centuries ago"...
@@neeneko Pretty arrogant and paternalistic view there. You could invert that and claim the younger generation is swallowing all the culture war, pro-Palestinian tiktok soft propaganda being put out by a variety of sources... neither comment really says anything insightful, other than some people may be susceptible than others, but to suggest one generation or another is more prone to it is incredibly naïve, to say the least.
Please…PLEASE citate the fonts. You cannot show random graphics on a political argument, especially since the political groups are founding many of these researches.
I am a Gen Z born in 2002 and my mum said something I strongly agree on; "I am neutral towards the conflict and I don't want to pick a side but I have to agree on one thing, Israel has been occupying Palestine for way too long and Palestinians deserve to have their land and be free from Israel"
agree
Its not their land though it belongs to Israel, but its hard to maintain a country when every single country around you wants to exterminate you because you are a jew and Islam says so, I dont get the logic here. If you don’t understand anything about the conflict why comment?
Your mom's an ignorant bud
The land was held by Israelites long before Islamic idealogy existed.
Tell your mom that first go criticize the palestain leaders that use all money they got from Israel and Qatar to buy weapons and to do terror instead of support in health education and science instead they are acting like corrupt countries so If you gave them independence it will good to the civilians?! Like Iran or Yemen or Iraq or Lebanon?! Let we ask the Gaza cevlians what they prefer and you can see that they prefer Israel not Hamas or other curropt Arab leader
As you see in other indipendante Arab country and the head is Palestine in west bank
i am geneuinely impressed at the complete absence of opinions in this video. this is probably the most sensitive and controversial topic right now and this is the first video i've seen that expresses absolutely no opinions whatsoever. you have my deep respect.
Because they dont watch TV so they aren't exposed to zionist media
Yeah agreed. An example for the guardians of this world
TLDR are actually the most unbiased news source I found on most things, especially this conflict. Traditional media can learn a thing or two.
It's why I watch them. I generally never finish feeling angry or frightened. Just more informed. As they are not trying to con us into paying attention for ad revenue.
@kxuydhj good to know you are completely ignorant of any facts of the situation. This wasn't a video that was "complete absence of opinions" it was completely absent of opinions you disagree with, there is a difference.
There's a prevalence of "oppressor vs oppressed" perspective that frames the weaker one as "good." Furthermore, the only wars millennials and younger have experienced have been Iraq and Afghanistan, which many perceived as futile and about exploitation of resources
atleast they can understand and justify war for material gains. younger generations however are seeing the backwards ideologies of zionists that have no material or logical reasoning, just a cult.
It's not seemed as that, it was and there I clear proof of that coming from their own mouths while they stand there proudly
TRue@@shadowstorm5261
Turns out, the weaker power is incapable of defending itself. As always.
@@zertyuz idk, Ukraine is doing well enough...
Another thing to note is that Netanyahu has been the most right-wing PM in Israel's history and has been doing everything he can to seize more and more power hence the recent protests against his proposed changes to the Supreme Court. This makes younger people more skeptical of Israel being the only democracy in the middle east. Everyone agrees that the attack by Hamas is awful and that the real victims in this war are the people who just want to live their lives.
Yes, Netanyahu *is* objectively terrible.
I am a Millennial and lean more towards "support Israel."
Except that you cant live your life if you are in the oppressed group like Jim crow era
@@ruma_lia Are you trying to say Israel is an apartheid state? I really hope you're not because that is factually wrong. Take this quote from the second holiest piece of literature in Islam, a piece that every Palestinian is familiar with, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." It's far worse than segregation, they will kill any Jew that sets foot in their territory. Then take Israel's declaration of independence, "WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions." I don't see any apartheid in that!
Not everyone agrees - that's the problem. Far too many young people are stupid enough to support Hamas. Don't pretend being pro-Palestine is some rational "empathetic" decision: it's a decision made out of ignorance and stupidity.
@@waltysalamanderoh my god ur actually insane, why not compare the talmud to that excerpt from the quran instead. like you’re literally seeing israel kill thousands of palestinians, and yet you’re hypothetically talking about palestinians killing a bunch of jews
There is a huge difference between being "Pro" and being "Less Against"
^This. Mass media from Fox News to CNN are all out there pretending that condemning genocide means you want the shoe on the other foot.
How about no? Israel might be our allies but that doesn't mean I have to lie to myself and everyone else that they're the good guys and not the slightly less bad guys that we happen to be allied with.
Hamas is funded by Iran which is kinda anti Sunni.
Palestine is almost entirely Sunni.
The people of Palestine and supporters of Palestine only put hamas one step below the Israeli government in terms of how badly they have to be dragged behind the shed and dealt with.
If so, then probably more than 90 percent of everyone is "less against" to Palestine
Even Piers Morgan started to show some more sympathy to Palestine, that's one example
That’s a cop out. Have the integrity to back your misplaced beliefs. Don’t act like you don’t know what decolonization and from the river to the sea mean. You’ve shown the person you are and now you don’t like it that we know who you are now.
@@simshengvue4642 Is the world you live in black and white? I'd love to see your POV on other things, in that case.
Young people are tired of old people stealing their money, refusing to help them, and having the gall to think they’re going to fight in these wars old people create.
Why somebody should do anything for them? Parents provided their childhood until they became young adults. It is their job to live further.
@@michaelstrelnikov I’m not a young person, I am GenX. I see the difference in what was provided for Boomers in comparison to what is being provided now. If you fail to see that blatant difference, you’re being purposely obtuse.
@@maureen2777 Exactly. The "information" (or better to say propaganda) is delivered in unprecedented rate. And absolute most is biased and do not represent facts. Young people are an easy target since they are more tend to watch short videos rather researching.
@@michaelstrelnikov I have no clue what you’re talking about. I do not support Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. I came to this conclusion by familiarizing myself with Jewish scholars, activists, and journalists. Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Gideon Levy, and Noam Chomsky. You completely avoided my initial premise by speaking about parents providing for young adults. This conversation has nothing to do with parents, we’re speaking on the government. You follow up with more nonsense. Are you inebriated?
@@maureen2777 You can support of disappove. Israel treats others as other treats Israel. If palestinians want to kill Jews, Israel close its borders and do not allow passage. Very simple. If people want to create a peaceful country - Israel is all for it.
I would suggest you to treat people as you want to be treated.
I agree with the analysis and would also add there's always a feedback loop to follow the herd on any issue, and once one side looks like it's the more popular it becomes reinforced much the same way as the SM algorithms push content
Another reason is while older generations may have only had mainstream media which is often influenced by political and capitalist narratives, social media has allowed to open source news. This makes witnessing reality a lot easier.
Your not technically wrong but i see just as much, if not even more problems with social media then Mainstream media. Mainstream media might sometimes be biased or influenced but social media post often times blatantly lie or put things completly out of context. Just today i saw a social media post that said „israel started the war on the arabs in 1948“ which is simply lying. There is no opinion about this, it’s a fact that the arab nations attacked israel on their own while Israel wasnt showing any aggression whatsoever.
I personally think that this matter isnt something you should have an opinion about without knowing the full history about… and there is a fckin load of things that happened a long time ago in this conflict that older generations remember but younger ones never heard about. I personally was pro palestine before i had to work the whole history out for a school project. Thats when i realised how unfair the Israels have been treated not just by palestines but egypts Iran and so on.
Yeah absolutely, while the online media landscape has its own serious flaws, I do think that in the TV-era there was a lot more manufactured consent. Another thing that changed, is that there's a lot more on the ground footage, so it's harder to look past the human cost. And for non-Israelis, Israeli propaganda targeted at its own people seems completely unhinged, because non-Israelis haven't been fed those lies 24/7 since they were young.
Funny how i was anticapitalist untill I got social media and saw the pro-capitalists argument
I would like to see a graph that compares support for Israel by social class/income level, and then compare it to a graph that shows economic opportunity for young people by generation.
Me too!
The Zionists are really trying to cope here and it's hilarious
That would be interesting
I think it's easy to guess the trend, richer/higher social class people will support Israel(because money machine) and poorer people will support Palestine (because they don't have conflict of interest)
Stop!!! That would be anti semitism!!!!!
I don't think it's a coincidence that there's a sharp change in people who came of age during the "war on terror".
We saw our own government manufacture evidence to justify a war. I know I'm a lot more skeptical about official statements, especially where foreign affairs are involved.
I was in middle school in 2001. Seeing the rise in Islamophobia and the genocidal rhetoric from people I had thought were reasonable had a profound impact. Especially since it came the same year we covered the holocaust.
The government didn't manufacture evidence, that's where the intelligence led us . The whole world thought Hussein had those weapons because he led everyone to believe he did . He didnt want to be attacked by another country after loosing the gulf war .There's a documentary on it .
Younger generations during the cold war also supported the USSR and communism. Young people often are more radical and start to grow up their oppinions start to change.
Those "younger gen" are the boomers here and red scare is a thing if you forgot. Most hollywood and video games portray commie and soviet or russia as bad and its planted in them up and echoed through generation. Nothing has to do with growing up. Its how environment mold people and older gen spreading thier beliefs to youner one and cycle continue
Except theres internet now and you can see thousands of videos on dead children after being killed by israel
I don’t know if you intended this to sound like “oh grow up. If only you were more mature you’d agree with me” but that is how this comes across so I will respond to that. (And yes I realize it’s been 7 months)
young people are not necessarily more “radical” they’re more flexible to change. People who wanted what the USSR was doing were wrong(at least in my and seemingly your opinion) but the reason wasn’t that they were young and immature it was that some were uninformed, interpreted information differently, or some really did just want a world wide communist revolution. There are always radicals in any group but it is often far from the consensus.
Older generations also watch mainstream media (cnn,fox etc) and mainstream media is very biased when reporting about this subject. While younger
Generations rely on more newer methods to see the conflict (things like gazan reporters on ground with actual footage of what’s happening)
Which are nothing more than unverified biased sources from Instagram
And social media is also extremely biased and manufactured
@@fungunsun1if you allow to limit your views! If you see social media holisticly you'll see Pro Palestine is the majority
You mean all of the propaganda videos young people are fed by social media? Corporate media is bad, but so is the garbage spewed on the internet. For example, an entire group of young people were convinced that a navy vessel on the WEST coast was bound with weapons to Israel and they attempted to board it. That isn’t something people do unless they were lied to.
@@fungunsun1 True, but by everyone at once instead of a single actor. So you can compare every different biased perspective to find the one most in line with the facts.
I'm amazed how good these people are at being non biased while writing this script.
Ikr what if all journalists were this non biased
@@Unknownxyzuithen we'd have an amazing world
it's really like those "inflation is at the highest since the 1600s.. here is why it's a good thing" type of articles
Neutrality is not the same as being non-biased. There is such a thing as a neutrality bias, and it’s pervasive in corporate media. Like when they had climate scientists and oil industry propagandists debate climate change as if the two positions were equally valid.
And the comments less.
We are witnessing, “ For those who forgets history, are doomed to repeat it”
We're witnessing the down fall of the mainstream media power
Are you referring to the pro Palestinian side or Israeli side?
@@Ma1akaiobviously isreal, they are literally committing a genocide
the op: i play both sides so i always come at the top@@Ma1akai
"*remembering history" i fix it for u
What the fuck? At 3:30 minute there is a graf about who supports Israel and who supports Hamas but there is not even a word about someone who could support Palestine but not Hamas? Did you ever hear the word objectivity?
This video is actually brain rot... the producers who made this have never taken a college-level statistics class in their entire lives. I'd be surprised if any of them even made it to college.
@@xFrostBiteMC you talking like you could do better lil bro.
@@C0ntrasteBr I’m not trying to say I am the most qualified, but that doesn’t change the fact that they did a bad job. Even then, I’m a third-year business economics major at a top 25 university, so yeah I think it’s safe to say I could do better than whatever college dropout or liberal arts major that made this video.
@@C0ntrasteBr crazy u calling ppl you don’t even know “lil bro” though… if ur ballsy enough to talk like that in real life, ur gonna lil bro the wrong person one day.
@@xFrostBiteMC ok could you tell me the factors why is this incorrect?
TLDR’s new favorite word is “unprecedented”. Nearly every video, and often many times… and nearly every time in the opening hook. Not everything is unprecedented.
Their unprecedented use of unprecedented is unprecedented. Except now that they've set the precedent, is it still so?
I cringe everytime I hear that word on CNN and other American "news"
@@immortalsofar5314if you slowly escalate it, then it will keep being unprecedented
We are living in unprecedentedly precedented times
The older generations remember an Israel that was the underdog, especially in the US where we cheer the underdog. It faced 4 states that were more or less capable and had joined in a coalition to attack the Jewish state. Today Israel is a regional superpower, nuclear armed and its former adversaries are a collection of failed states, collapsed economies, or states so riven with internal conflicts that they are nations only in name. This is the Israel that younger people know. They are more or less aware of the treatment dealt out to people in the occupied territories and how constant settler activity diminishes any chance for a peaceful two-state solution.
Except Gaza was not occupied for many many years. They had a two state solution and chose to attack Israel.
@@BusArch42 Of course, Israel allowed Palestinians independence within a highly-dense, minuscule strip of land without any natural resources, while the rest of the land the Palestinian people lived was under occupation, even with the governing PLA collaborating with Israel, and Jewish settlement in Palestinian land being encouraged. And that is not to say that Gaza was blockaded from land and sea and the Gazans depended on their enemies for energy and sanitation. What an independent Palestine! What a two-state solution!
@@guilhermesavoya2366 their failure to develop power, water and sanitation using the money provided was their own choice. Instead that money was used by their legal government to fund terrorism. It’s no accident that Egypt blockaded Gaza also. They have a large sea access area that they could have used as well. These are violent people who do not want peace. They elected a terrorist organization to rule over them. The fact you say they are dependent on their “enemy” for physical infrastructure speaks volumes. You are correct. They view Israel as their enemy. How can there be peace when every single person in the Gaza Strip wants only to destroy Israel? Even so, Israel tolerated continual rocket attacks from Gaza for over 15 years. Gaza has been attacking Israel since they had the option. As far as over population - maybe stop having 20 kids? That’s a choice.
@@BusArch42 You are incredibly brainwashed
@@s.aslahahmadfaizi4687 and you are not?
I feel like it is more related to younger people are watching independent media and get the narrative from both side.
Adding to that young people are more distrusting of the government and think they are corrupte and not acting in the best interest of the people.
When adding all things up it makes sense
Also, young people are incredibly stupid.
independent Facebook?!🤣 there is no such thing as an independent media, come on
Yeah, I don't think people are really getting the narrative from both sides. You have to remember that since the advent of the internet there is now far more "independent media" and social media, which is gonna be far more biased and partisan leaning with algorithms that serve each of us more of that content. That's far more polarizing or "radicalizing". There used to only be several large news orgs with journalists constrained by "the fairness doctrine" in news reporting to only report facts, present both sides fairly, and without opinion and editorial bias. It wasn't perfect, but a lot of news today is hyper partisan.
@@Phrancis5
I mean we are getting extreme view from both side
But at least not the view that the government feed us
@@shadowboyii You're assuming the big legacy news orgs are "government feeds" and not adhering to journalistic standards. Do you think Watergate or the Pentagon Papers could've come out if the US government controlled the news? People tend to defend their ideological beliefs by denying objective facts or reporting. Worse yet, they turn to partisan news like Fox that tells em what they want to hear. Social media algorithms make it far more unlikely that most will fairly seek out counter arguments.
The thing with gen z’s really is most of them supporting any social issue is just for show. To seem morally superior, theyd quickly forget when a new social issue arises and they can focus on that next.
They also lack any nuance to any issue everything is black and white to them
this is 💯 true
If this is true, would you care to explain the reasons behind the billions of dollars in revenue that Starbucks lost due to the Pro-Palestine boycotts? Is this also "for show?"
@@asielhetsberger9547 and yet Starbucks is still open and the lines are still long
Because "pro-Palestine" activism is still the fad.@@asielhetsberger9547
To be clear. Pro-Palestine is not pro Hamas.
And Pro-Israel is not pro-war or pro-Netanyahu.
@@wazzup233well said. If anything most people are pro-peace but many people of the younger generation and in the left think that means being pro Palestine. In reality it doesn’t make sense for leftists to be pro Palestine when Palestine hates leftist values, especially regarding topics of abortion and homosexuality, being one of the most homophobic countries in the world. They don’t realise what they’re supporting while thinking they support peace
Tell that to the countless demonstrators who see Hamas as freedom fighters and not terrorists, dress up as terrorists for protests, hold signs with paragliders, rip down posters of kidnapped children, rip down Israel flags, display violence towards Jews indiscriminately etc
@@Side_Eye_Shibe Basically, Israel is so awful that Hamas can still pass themselves as freedom fighters.
I mean, going back to 1935, it's like saying you're Pro-Germany not Pro-Hitler.
I think the only other reasons I’d add is war weariness. 20 years in Afghanistan, plenty of folks in the younger age groups who’ve been effected either directly or indirectly. When I saw that a majority of Americans of all political affiliations were in favor of the US calling for a ceasefire, I did immediately think that was odd. But as I’ve interacted with people of various ages while out shopping, running errands, at work, taking my mom to appointments, etc (and I live in a really conservative area), I hear people saying they don’t want the US to get dragged into another conflict. That seems to be the difference between Israel-Hamas and Ukraine-Russia….folks here are afraid that the US will be dragged back into the Middle East into a conflict whereas only the folks older than my parents (who are Boomers) seem to worry about getting dragged into Europe. I guess it doesn’t help that for most other generations that the US keeps being involved in the Middle East with horrible consequences and it seems these generations, at least where I live, aren’t interested in going back. I remember when the news came out saying US bases in Syria were being attacked. The response wasn’t “Oh that’s awful we should fight back” it was usually: since when do we have bases in Syria?, why are we in Syria?, were we invited by the government of Syria?, I thought we left the Middle East?. So yeah, that’s likely driving the desire by a majority across the political spectrum for a ceasefire and the disconnect between politicians, the traditional news media, and the people isn’t helping politicians’ or traditional news media’s reputations with the people. But otherwise I think what you discussed definitely explains why there’s generational gaps, but I don’t think the gaps are necessarily as big as the data makes it seems when you account for folks war weariness overall. Like I said, I’ve been surprised by the polling and by what I’m hearing from the conservative folks around me (like we literally had a battle over the summer regarding the local library having a small display of LGBTQ+ books, so yeah I don’t believe for a moment that my area is just more leftist/liberal all of sudden).
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This is so insightful and true. Not American but I totally agree and get this vibe in my general conversations too
He's a bot
The only thing I wanna say is that I disagree with the phrasing of the US “being dragged into a conflict” when they were the ones actively going into the last bunch of conflicts by choice. The military industrial complex has its tendrils everywhere and fuels a lot of warmongering.
It doesn’t explain why the UK is experiencing so much though. The fuckers interrupted armistice day and these buggers still support them.
There are 29% of people between 18-24 olds who say, they stand with Hamas? That's crazy.
You'd be surprised. Many people think Hamas is just a peaceful organization and is fighting a liberation fight not actually a militant Islamist organization.
@@MasterGhostfthere's multiple layers/seporation to hamas I think.
How separate they are I don't know, but some will presumably run local services, while others are militants or terrorist.
It is very nuanced. Hamas actions does not exist in a vacuum. Many people see the formation and acts of Hamas as a response to decades of oppression. Keep in mind that even before Hamas came into power Palestinians were already being killed.
People also forget that not all Hamas fighters fight for the same reason. Alot of the Hamas fighters are young and grew up in occupation and lost their families and homes. Any person who grew up subjugated to oppression will have a very destructive mindset and will never have any sympathy for their oppressors. These individuals would have never become Hamas fighters if they never grew up under occupation.
Then there are Hamas fighters who do fight just because they enjoy destruction. These individuals exist in every army. Psychopaths are often drawn to positions of power.
Many people believe that the constant bombardment of Gaza is just going to create another generation of mentally disturbed individuals who want to get revenge for what has happened to them. Hamas most definitely is the problem but the occupation is what created Hamas and Israel's extreme attacks on Palestine is what inspires/breaks Palestinians to become Hamas fighters.
People need to get off their high horses. I know it's difficult to imagine but when our lives are relatively easy we think that we are morally incorruptible. I'm very sure many people would become terrorists if they had to endure what Palestinians went through.
As a 17 year old Gen Z conservative, I am proud to show my unwavering support for Israel. May god protect Israel and my Jewish friends.
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As a 19yro conservative Christian, I am proud to show my unwavering support for Palestine, Semitic(Arab/Jewish) people, and US taxpayer's money.
You're too naive about taxes, maybe you'll learn why a lot of young adults with opposite ideologies support Palestine or at least against financially supporting the parasite nation of Israel who controls our govt and Biden.
How when Jews spit on Christian’s ?
young people tend to be more idealistic, progressive and anti-establishment (represented by USA,west an Israel now). it's not something new. They want to see ideal justice worldwide even if it's not attainable when it comes to this rusty conflict.
Aka idiots
Also the ones responsible for this war are just old cunts who are too prideful to end the conflict.
Nothing is unattainable if people want it
So they want justice and anti-establishment, but they support Islam. A bunch of lost anarchists who neither know or want to know anything. The lost generation
alot of the anti war hippies in the 60s are the biggest supporters of israel today
perhaps the most worrying problem is that young people prefer getting their news from Social Media
A maybe bigger issue is people getting their news from established outlets. In otherwordw they are both untrustworthy and biased
Young people have grown up with the internet, and their schooling has taught them how to use it for research.
Therefore, they are more likely to spot misinformation from legacy media outlets.
Moreover, news can often be seen live on social media, where you can witness legacy media outlets presenting falsehoods.
Pick your poison (propaganda).
Social media: high chance of liberal propaganda, if you follow the right accounts you may get genuine good news though.
Mainstream News (CNN, Fox and the likes): unfiltered pure american and therefore capitalist propaganda.
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you're getting your news from social media right now lol. What do you think youtube is?
The question "Who you support more Israel or Hamas?" Is such a bad use of statistics and polling
1 is a country, the other is a political party/terrorist organisation
The question should be "Who do you support more Israel or Palestine" or "Who do you support more Netanyahu or Hamas" (Even then this one sucks because people are far less likely to know who Netanyahu is)
I hate that people are turning this into a binary choice. The solution is reform on both sides for a two-state solution.
Palestine doesn't have power Hamas does helping Palestine helps Hamas if you would send supplies to Palestine who do you think will have the authority and power to take them and distribute or keep them for themselves armed militia or innocent citizens?
@@st.altair4936 Neither side is willing, especially Palestine. Israel offered peace and coexistence in the past, but Palestine didn't want that. Palestine wants Israel gone completely and aren't willing to compromise. Israel responded by being absolute assholes, controlling their utilities and trade. Palestine gains terrorist militias who now run the country, launching attacks on innocent civilians, and now Israel is doing the same. Now we're in a situation where peace is impossible.
I noticed that question and i think its also a good question. This video showed atleast a dozen graphs, all but one has Palestine, not hamas. I believe that one poll was actually needed to make measure the support for hamas explicitly as well.
You do realise Hamas was democratically voted in by its people. The same people the celebrated on their streets after October 7th. Get your head out of the sand.
There stuck in echo chambers online so they dont have all rhe sides
There could also be a religious aspect : in America, the staunchest supporters of Israel are evangelicals and generally practicing Christians are pro-Israel, as for religious people the idea of creating a country specifically for a religious group seems more natural, while young people tend to be way less religious.
Except that in Israel, the middle-class and middle-upper class are mostly secular. The people who pay the most taxes are less religious than the people who receive the taxpayers' money in many forms. The institutions are too archaic though, way behind the general public mood
thats what i was thinking, not to mention the bad perspective the middle east and just muslim countries in general get by Americans
It's not really about creating a country for a religious group, it's about the prediction in the Old Testament that there won't be the 2nd coming of Christ and the "Rupture" until the Jews aren't in the "Promised Land" of Jerusalem. What's funny about that is that the Bible says that only the Jews who convert and become believers in Christ will go to Heaven, the rest will be damned.
@@ktom5262 it's also funny because there's so many videos of Christians getting hated on by the zionists. So these evangelicals are supporting people who don't like them... bit ironic
@@ru2225 Very ironic. The Zionist government of Israel stands hand-in-hand with the US fundamentalist, conservative Christians. As ironic as it gets.
I can't believe this video completely left out the influence of college campuses.
cuz thats not really a thing just a talking point by uneducated people.
I think you are right to mention this.
@@analogboi, Our family experience is different. As a family of well educated ( across 4 generations) , the phrase “ i used to think like you are..” comes up a lot. College and Uni are perfect places to rebel, feel heard, express superior views etc. I found that opinions changed once responsibility of a family occurred and the focus became about someone else. Less time on social media, and different conversations happen.
Ok but can you also do a poll on older people but with humanitarian background and without? Maybe itll say something too.
These polls don’t seem to take into account the distinction that you could be pro-Palestine and anti-Hamas. And though I do not want to discredit the lack of trust towards journalists, it seems to me that separation is an important part of the nuance that is overlooked for a black and white narrative.
Or they don't take into account Americans could be Pro American or anyone in the West could be Pro Western and don't want Israel's war weakening America's foreign policy. How's it going to look when we go back to Ukraine, when we let 11 K and counting civilians die and abused our veto to shield Israel in the US, similiar to how Russia abuses its veto to protect itself in the Ukraine war? Why would the world who's outraged by what's going on in Gaza listen to us on Ukraine to agree to a Western approach to solving Ukraine's war?
If you want to be Pro Israel or Pro Palestinian, go off in a little corner and fight it out. But to the grown ups that actually are concerned about their own Western countries. Young people today see the big picture where older adults just see you either support Israel or Palestine. Young people want to be adults.
This is what I'm slightly concerned about. Considering that nowadays governments don't fully represent the true identity of the country they governed in.
@@v5hr1ke It doesn't matter, politicians understand the difference. And they can see their country's and world opinion. If they think Pro Palestinian is the same as Pro Hamas, then they should ignore that group of people....and wind up getting kicked out of office in democracies or overthrown in other countries. Nobody needs stupid leaders that can't tell that most of the world that's outraged by Israel's war is not Pro Hamas. If a leader can't figure that out, they don't need to lead.
The problem is not just Hamas. It's Palestinian society. Apart from anti-semitism, which is actively sponsored by the Palestinian Authority (not Hamas), Palestinians have demonstrated that they are unable to build a decent state. They were given Gaza and turned it into a Caliphate. Anytime they are given some land they turn it into a platform to launch missiles on Israel. We should come to terms with the fact that Palestinians will never build a nice peaceful liberal democracy. This is just a Western projection. They would likely do what they did in Gaza. Do we want another Iran where gays are killed, women are discriminated and other religions are not accepted? No thanks. Meanwhile Israel allows same-sex marriage, gives the right to vote to Arabs, accepts multiculturalism and open societies. We should hold Israel accountable for how it responds to attacks, but the idea that Israel is the evil one just because it's militarily stronger is bullshit.
I would even say that, even if it's not visible here, most studies and medias do not make a difference between religions and countries.
At least in France, choosing a side is almost like choosing your favorite religion and insulting the other one.
This video misses one big element: the universities!
Did they really ask if people supported Hamas or Palestine in those polls? They are very different things. That's like mixing up Israelis and Jews. Also knowing about the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank by Israeli settlers has done Israel no favours. It is hard to appear as the underdog when the Israelis are the one throwing Palestinians out of their homes so they can use them instead.
Except most of the land was purchased from Palestine for the Israel settlers.
It’s a moot point tough as Gaza is not the West Bank. Hamas control Gaza if you didn’t know.
The Israelies have retracted their borders 4 times since 1948 giving land back to the arabs . How ever each time they do this the result is more terrorist attacks and more random rockets targeting civilians within Israel.. I hope israel pushes back until they are back to the much more defensible 1949 borders.
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Another repeated lie that everyone believes. Settlements are built on top of Vacant hilltops, not on top of Palestinian homes.
Israel is a diverse place with Jews, Arab and others while Gaza is controlled by Hamas which a brand of Muslim Brotherhood and guess who allied with German during WWII?
Then you have your answer.
Man, I hate how this generation is characterised with social media and tiktok, it’s sad but true. It feels like some people are cyborgs with their phones
That raise another problem?
Why they go for social media for information, because the unjustified bias and lies of the traditional media
If the truth is shown on both , they would have just checked both equally
Yeah but in this case theres a blockade by israel of all press in gaza. They cant get in. So The only news that comes out is by palestinian reporters who are trapped in gaza, who are using their phones and uploading to TikTok. Im not saying theyre “influencers” doing social media, they are real reporters but theyre using social media because there is no other way. They’re trapped, using car batteries to charger their phones, uploading what they see. And dying there too. Thats why we have all been stuck looking at our phones during this massacre, to see what’s happening in gaza. Besides that all there is is pro-israel news that tris to say that what we are seeing are lies. You choose.
Ive learned more from Tiktoks than the fake media controlled by billionaire elites
@@farhatkaboudi44 can't agree more
If you want to see the reality, I can share some account that only share photos and videos from gaza and West Bank
@@farhatkaboudi44 TikTok is not where you go look for information lol. Its made to tell whatever lies they want your generation to hear.
Very interesting. I really like the aspect you guys took to expand on the age disparity on this topic with statistics, especially the social media aspect, which has been on my mind for the last month on how younger people have a distrust towards established media and are shown first hand accounts from both sides what is happening in real time
Do young people actually distrust established media though? Sure they don’t trust CNN or fox as much as the older generation, but the young generation hops on every bandwagon that comes across their Vine/Insta/Facebook/TH-cam/TikTok, and are very willing to cite Wikipedia as a source (despite that still not being academically valid) which are all pretty well established. They definitely trust established media, just not the same sources as older generations.
It's also really interesting when you investigate the role social media plays in misinformation campaigns.
@@Nitsirtriscuit your Wikipedia comment is silly. Wikipedia sources everything on its site. Any competent person still sources Wikipedia, just through the sources within the page itself, and not directly Wikipedia.
@@waiifii22the traditional media also spread misinformation on the beheaded babies and the massacre bombing of the hospitals in Gaza, which they blatantly blame Hamas for it which is false
Or worse they don’t report on the subject at all if it’s not in their interests
Yeah, but without context it's pointless, like a majority of the opinions on the internet........zero context, zero historical knowledge, and a ton of misinformed screeching people.
One thing I learnt in this lifetime is never lean on one side
i can tell that trying to ask if i support either Israel or Hamas is biased.
I want Palestinians to live happily but i dont support Hamas in anyway. The population and the organization are not always thinking the same (a tale as old as time)
Israel helped the creation of hamas . And Netnyaho himself said many times that he supported hamas . Sadly without a solution to their suffering extremism will always rise . You can't tell someone living as second class citizens having his entire family killed by occupation. And tell him he's wrong for wanting revenge
You can say you want that but what a lot of us zoomers fail to do is actually assess whether that is even possible in the first place.
How the hell do you support Palestinians who don't support Hamas without supporting Hamas? Because there are a plurality of Palestinians that do support Hamas.
Furthermore, what is Israel meant to do? Hamas took 200 hostages and slaughtered 1,500 people on October 7th. Are people just expecting Israel to just not respond with force and just accept hostage diplomacy? Name me any other country where such country was held to such standard.
@@inbb510 The IDF and Netanyahu already knew, more than likely. Maybe what they could've done is not allow an attack to happen just so they could have an excuse for war.
WTF is a zoomer 🤦♂️
if you really want to support the palestinians, how about do some history research
and then you will realize that its because of their stubborn leadership they live the way they live
israel offered many deals many times for peace with palestine, and the palestinian rejected every single one of them.
Younger generations also experienced Israel almost their whole live with an far right majority in the government actively pushing settlement in occupied territory. Netanjahu is in power for 16 years now so for an average 30 year old he is the political symbol of this state.
The irony is that Netanyahu got back into power after the Hamas bus bombings of the late 1990s. He had lost standing in the national revulsion against the far right that came up after Rabin was assassinated by the far right. But Hamas started killing random civilians on mass transit and suddenly the far right didn’t look so bad to scared people.
But wait! It gets better! Starting in January the Israeli population engaged in massive anti-government protests, protests that ended when Hamas attacked in October.
For all that Nuttin-Yahoo is an ass, he owes Hamas a huge thank you for keeping him in power.
Israel bee' like that from day 1
... you are aware that settlement was a bipartisan goal right? And it still is. Stuff like the 1960s war was perpetrated too occupy the territory and settle the regions held by palestinians, many military officials admit too that fact and have admitted too it.
This is not about which side you choose. Zionism as long as it is political is a form of colonial settlement, everything since herzl was.
@@p.strobus7569So, who is financing Hamas?
Iran alone has not that much money - Iran needs to finance its own Army, its own nuclear program and its own groups after all, and its economy aren't in a great shape.
@@madjames1134 Hamas is a quasi-government, able to tax Gazans. Their military works cheap (which is why rockets sometimes break up over hospitals). Iran is a petro state locked in a battle for supremacy over the Gulf with its Saudi neighbor. (And said neighbor was juuuust about to normalize relations with Israel so putting extra towards disrupting that was an easy call. And then there’s zakat for the Palestinian cause which can be skimmed to buy weapons per usual. There are so many sources for funding that all they need are enough bloody shirts to wave in order to recruit the next “Juden Raus” party.
As a young(ish) American, I find it odd that we conflate being pro-Palestine with being pro-Hamas. For that matter, you can support ethnic Arabs in the land of Israel/Palestine without supporting a state of Palestine OR the group Hamas. I think Americans are largely sympathetic, but we don't know who to blame when innocent people on either side die.
Hamas is Palestinian....so if you are pro-Palestine, you are pro-Hamas.
Yeah it’s silly, it’s like saying someone’s “pro KKK” because they support america.
@@vonbennett8670The KKK is American, so if you’re American you’re in the KKK
@@vonbennett8670Joe Bidens the US President so that means if you’re American you support Joe Biden
Starting to see how dumb that logic is?
@@vonbennett8670sure Hamas is from Palestine, but you can support Palestine and not Hamas, one is a country and another is a terrorist group
I think the graph in 3:34 should mean that people support Palestinians more not Hamas as an organization, that could be misleading
A couple of these polls have questioning that does not really reflect the stance many younger people have, which is that they don’t stand with Israel or Hamas, but rather the rest of the innocent victims, most of whom are Palestinian.
stop justifying these acts hamas was voted on by the people with their sole purpose to "kill jews" and "destroy Israel" it hurts me to see how foolish people can be on the internet but that is not reality most people support Israel .
its not a race who can kill more its a war, hamas attacked israel without having shelters for bombs for their civilians, they have the biggest tunnel system in the world and they never made one spot for their innocences, instead they let them die on the street, if a small country attacks a big country , what do you think gonna happen, israel dont want a second october 7 and they have all the rights to make sure its not gonna happen
Reject the dichotomy of supporting one camp and not the other. Plenty of activities of either group are shocking, ruthless, negligent or deluded. And they also believe God is with them, which is quaint
Peace is a slogan.
Little feedback: could you write the polled country on poll graphs. You only mention it orally and I sometimes miss it or forget. That's essential context. And that wouldn't take a big space anyway.
There are links in the description.
I'm a member of Gen Z and a proud supporter of Israel.
Interesting, but what I missed was a distinction between Hamas, the Palestinian people, Israel and the current Israeli government. I get that in short videos you can't get all the nuance, but this distinction is really important for this divisive issue.
Extremists tend to see the world as black and white, good and bad, oppressor and oppressed. It's harder to be self-righteous if you acknowledge all the complexities and grey areas.
I LOVE how neutral you guys are. Focusing on facts, keep it up.
neutral? even the first 5 secs is already so biased.
@@aminmino4625 what are you referring to? The fact a Hamas attack occurred? Please share an example.
Don’t conflate neutrality with factuality
I don't know what the other guy is talking about. But what do you think about the video that casually interchanges pro-palastine as being pro-hamas. All the stats and the protests that he's talking about are explicitly pro-palastine, but the video golsses over it and says pro-hamas several times. Don't you think that's intentional or even an unintentional bias?
@@aminmino4625Literally unavoidable. Everyone is bias and that’s a fact.
As an really appreciate the way you handled the video and its content.
It's nice for a change to talk about what the facts are, and what the statistics are without taking any sides.
I'm quite upset recently by celebrities and power figures voicing their opinions (no matter what side they are) without context and historical information and then inspire or mislead so many people worldwide.
Israel is an apartheid state (50 laws different for non-Jews) with an Illegal settlement expansion. Also, while Jews have historical ties to the region dating back 3,500 years, the Canaanites, who are the ancestors of the Palestinians, had already been established there long before the arrival of the Jews.
Holding a party close to a region marked by significant and systemic oppression (i.e. Gaza which is an open-air prison), especially when such oppression is executed as "collective punishment" by one's own government, reflects deep insensitivity. As individuals, confronting injustice is not just an option, but a duty; that is the stance they should have adopted instead of dancing around.
It is important to note that they were on land that is internationally recognized as Palestinian territory, which has been occupied illegally by Israel. Simply put, they should not have been on that land.
Also, the notion that Israel is defending itself is as absurd as the notion that a rapist is defending himself from the victim, because Israel is the occupier.
50 laws that make Israel an apartheid state:
1. Law of Return
2. National Planning and Building Law
3. Broadcasting Authority Law
4. Basic Law: Israel Lands
5. Israel Land Administration Law
EXACTLY! It's worse when the fans just mindlessly follow what they say.
@@dragonlord3402 Maybe it's not so mindless for one side. People can see with their eyes, both Hamas and the IDF and Israeli government and the West Bank extremists.
So much false information stated here wow! Palestinians were mostly Syrians, some Greeks/Arabs, moved into Judea by the Romans after the third Jewish revolt in the 2nd century to repopulate the province. Around a millions Jews died and the rest of them were exiled from Judea. The province was changed from Judea to Palastinia. The Eastern Romans called that province Palestine. Palestine was invented by the Romans. @@justsain3236
Why are the questions phrased so poorly? Its not about supporting Hamas, its about supporting Palestine.
过去的几十年只有震耳欲聋的沉默。而现在更多的人看到了事情的真相，并开始讨论了，这才是最好的结果。
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I think the pro palestinian side have been very good at playing into the anti-colonial sentiments of the younger generations in the west, who are far more likely to see something like the british empire as a definitively bad thing for the world. Israel is often seen as a product of the final decades of imperial rule in the middle east, an country willed into existence through treaties and mandates by the british, who were infamously one half of Sykes-Picot. While Palestine itself is also a colonial product, it's seen more as a natural successor nation than Israel is, where the natives take over the land the british once controlled. Israel is seen as almost a form of settler colonialism, a country of outsiders who in the eyes of many don't really belong there.
Youre right on how they see the world but israel was way older almost then any country but other countries invaded it over and over
The Israel-Palestine conflict traces back to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, where Israel began settling and colonizing Palestinian lands. A noteworthy aspect is that younger generations often align with Palestine due to increased visibility and documentation of events, which wasn't as prevalent in the past. Nowadays, information about the conflict is more accessible, allowing individuals to form their own opinions. Some argue that mainstream media, including outlets like BBC and CNN, may present biased perspectives and lying about reality, leading younger generations to seek alternative sources.
@@itamar5109 Israel as a region of the Levant has existed for a long time, of course, but as a formal nation state it is pretty new.
Funny because Palestine is actually the colonisers of the land after Rome destroyed the Jewish rebellion and scattered them they renamed it Palestine and replaced them. Israel has a right to exist and defend themselves.
@@Croz89Israel as a nation of the Jews has existed for thousands of years. It’s identity has not changed. The only change is that during the Muslim period, a lot of Jews converted to Islam. A lot also kept their religion. But Israel has consistently and continuously existed, autonomous or not, nearly as far back as written record
One thing I've noticed so far arguing on social media is that a lot of people, who I suspect are older, seem to be pro-military in general in a way that no young person I know would be.
When Americans of my generation think of the military, they think mostly of a series of quagmires which were also humanitarian disasters. So the automatic assumption is that whatever the IDF is doing is a quagmire and a humanitarian disaster. (And I mean, I don't think we're wrong!)
But I keep hearing from even older people who don't seem to be that pro-Israel that Israel is going to "destroy Hamas" or "take out Hamas". And I hear claims like that the way I heard Bush claiming he was gonna find WMDs in Iraq. It just seems completely delusional to me.
Well bush went to the other side of the world for it, we on the other hand have them as neighbors
Im Young and i think everyone who Supports Hamas has clue what they are supporting. It simply Shows how dumb, undecated and ignorant Most people are. No one, who has all informations would Support a terrorist Organisation that denies Basic Humans rights and force people, especially women, to live under the islamic law sharia. In Here in the West you See Young uninformed women spreading Hamas propagada. Its a shame for our Generation.
Yeah, people think Afghanistan was a quagmire, but "younger" people forgot that country exist and look at them now, they don't live better under taliban boot don't they?
A generation that thinks you will de-arm Hamas and get back the hostages by making them a cup of tea I think is a generation that has been wrapped in cotton wool. Thankfully we don’t have gen z running our world just yet.
The IDF is far worse than any Taliban, ISIS, HAMAS or whatsoever. People ne’er to recognize that.
These polls undermine the key issues and the key reasons that people stand in solidarity with Palestine.
They present extremely leading questions that blur the lines between pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas and unjustly favor Israel.
1. The poll at 2:50 asks “Is Israel justified in eliminating the Hamas government in Gaza”
- Yes / No
This undermines the core issue citizens of the world have with Israel’s disproportionate response to October 7th. It’s truly not a matter of Israel vs Hamas, but rather the magnitude of Israel’s actions and whether they constitute ‘self-defense’ or retaliation. This poll misrepresents the issue, which ought to be “Is Israel justified in amassing 11,000 civilian casualties in pursuit of eliminating the Hamas government in Gaza”
2. Likewise, in timestamp 3:20, the poll asks “Who should America support in this conflict?”
-Isreal
-Hamas
Again, this frames the public discourse in how we define Hamas, as a terrorist organization or a freedom fighting force, and completely disregards Israel’s responsibility to uphold international law. An alternative and frankly more telling question would be “Should America support Israel in this conflict?”
-Yes (native land, holocaust survivors, self defense, allies)
-No (occupiers, zionist hypocrisy, genocide)
Here is very easy answer: in real world -} if you US doesn't support Israel -} they would give Hamaz green light to prepare new attacks in Israel in future. People would live in constant fear. This way Israel would become more unstable, economy & life quality would go down.This a real consequence. People really undervalue the support for terrorism all of Pro-palestine movement brings. Instead, nobody wants to host Palestine victims or come to pick up to them for rescue. Youth don't talk how Hamaz don't let 'their' people to even evacuate.
Ok, because I know my eyes and ears weren't decieving me. Is pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas interchangeable? I mean, the current media trick is to label it as such.
@@Markadown
If we want to put it simple:
- Hamas is an islamist organization that took power in Gaza Strip thanks to 2006 elections; it is considered a terrorist and extremist organization, being also that in its Constitutional Card from 1988 it says that its goal is to destroy Israel;
- The Palestinians are the people/civilians living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and that before the foundation of Israel used to live there as well, tho at that time they didn’t think of themselves as a nationality. Some of them, especially in Gaza Strip, support Hamas; many others don’t.
Pro Palestine is pro Israel, if hamas falls and the gazans would stop attacking Israel they would be free as a bird and will never need to fear Israel, just like Jordan and just like Egypt peace treaties
wouldnt it be great if Palestine as a whole would denounce Hamas, in reality, they are the same thing. find me any Palestinian parading in the street that would denounce Hamas as a Terrorist group, they wouldn't because "they are freedom fighters". people might be smart enough to know killing children is stupid on bothside, but Hamas needs to man t f up and stop hiding behind the children then.
It's impressive that you were able to cover this topic without going into your own opinions on the situation.
I can only speak about Germany where a clear trend can be seen. The older population is largely 85-90% German. Many of them are strongly influenced by the culture of remembrance of the Holocaust through the media at the time, school or their own family hostory That's why you usually see older people at pro-Israel rallies in cities like Berlin - sometimes they're mostly people over 50. These types of rallies are usually rather quiet.
On the other hand, the younger population is extremely mixed, especially in the big cities. In some large cities such as Frankfurt, Cologne or some districts of Berlin, 60-80% and in some residential areas even 90% have a foreign and mostly muslim background. Many of these young people have a completely different attitude towards the topic due to the media, political influence from foreign politicians, classmates (mostly muslims), social media, their own family and the views of family members. Among them there is also in no reason to adopt the German culture of remembrance or the special German relations with Israel. Young Germans without a migration background, on the other hand, usually stay away from the topic or are more left-wing and march together at the demos - also because of social media or foreign friends who usually have a clear opinion on it. I think it is no different in other Western European countries.
It is very weird for older Germans to support Isreal to that extent. Two wrongs do not make a right. Supporting Isreal in ethnically cleansing the Palestinian lands of Arabs, Muslims, and the Palestinian people does not in any way "make up" for your parents' part in cleansing central Europe of Jews.
"My parents turned a blind eye to the German government putting Jews into death camps, and now I will turn a blind eye to the Israeli government bombing children in Gaza." Is that really the best way Gramps can deal with the generational guilt of his parents' actions?
I should hope not.
@questionmark3219
I find it really disaponting that Germany seems to have rationalized its WW2 guilt as "We must let the folks we committed Genocide on now get their turn at committing Genocide", rather then "Genocide is bad and no one should do it". We saw that not only Isreal but also Russia was given this pass, the rest of Europe got Germany turned around on Russia but their no progress on Isreal.
@@kennethferland5579if Israel are commiting genocide, they must be pretty bad at it, as the Gazan and West Bank population more than doubled in the last 20 years....
Show me one genocide where the population grows so rapidly instead of shrinking.
" In some large cities such as Frankfurt, Cologne or some districts of Berlin, 60-80% and in some residential areas even 90% have a foreign and mostly muslim background."
'Some' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there in combination with 'mostly muslim' in that sentence.
Polls like this that ask very open-ended questions and conflate different groups are not useful for interpretation because the results will be heavily influenced by how different groups interpreted the question. For example, the Hamas vs Isreal and the Palestine vs Isreal polls make it seem like most young people support both Hamas and Palestine. But if you asked young people if they support Hamas or Palestinian civilians, you will quickly realise the error. And what if you phrased it as: “Do you support the genocide and oppression of Palestinians?”. Do you think most older people would say yes? I doubt it
I think it’s useful to separate the support for Hamas vs the support for the Palestinian people, because those are two different things
Genocide? You guys have some dictionary?
@@luisshorts. Then you're also supposed to support the Israeli people in that case? If your position is "support civilians, not government", then what the hell is the point in claiming you're one side or another? Stating "I'm pro-palestinians" instead of "I'm pro-civilians" makes you clearly pick a side, and if you're saying that way then you're also supporting hamas as it's the acting government in power in Gaza. The statement sounds even more f**ked up if to draw the parallel with the Russian invasion of Ukraine and claiming there that "you're pro-russian", but specifying then that "I'm supporting people, not kremlin". Well then, do you know that those russian people largely support putler and the further murder of the Ukrainian people? Do you know that much of the Gazans are brainwashed to the point they support hamas genocidal terror actions? Think twice before you speak and also better abstain from chanting "from the river to the sea" genocidal slogan without even knowing what is this slogan about.
All these people say they are pro this or pro that but all they do is say they stand with something and get intoxicated by the idea they’re on the moral high ground without actually doing anything to help.
This
So true
Its all virtue signaling competition
Defo with these younger demos whose minds have been shaped by social media likes from an early age. It’s been downhill since Kony 2012
What do you suggest? taking up arms? We're not allowed to do that here the UK!
Luckily the 'Forgotten Generation' who's support for Israel has ALSO plummeted, know the heinous COST of ignoring ANY State's descent into fascism - knows this aint no game!
Luckily for England, we had the 'intoxicated' 1936 Battle of Cable Street, against Mosley's BUF Nazi party (look them up) - a darling of the establishment, quite capable of forming a Government, a man who certainly would NOT have 'fought them on the Beaches' but welcomed Mr Hitler as an honoured Guest! Back then the 'pragmatic' mature' thing would have been cut cut a deal - our military was in TATTERS when Churchill made his first speeches... More to the point, Estabilshment Jewish and labour leaders ordered thier members NOT to protest - luckily these self-righteous 'Virtue Signallers' did what was right and beat down the bad guys, at considerable cost (the Police were there to PROTECT Mosley and his goon squad) - theres not many things taht make me proud of where I come from, but take a look for 'Mosley Tries Again' when he attempted a comeback in 1962, and got a VERY hot reception - those are MY streets!!
Seems to me many of the older generation have gotten tired of having morals, so they develop thought-terminating cliches such as 'Virtue Signalling' and 'performative' - thankfully the horror of Trump has woke (sorry) many of us to the reality of innuendo without data, accusation without substance, truth vs UNtruth
So, when exactly did you stop having a conscience Bryan?
Im Gen Z and I support Israel 💙🤍🇮🇱
*Genoside
@@_.dora._ahow ironic a communist saying this also even more ironic as there founder was Jewish 😂
@@_.dora._adude you couldn’t even spell that right 💀
@@Hahanopee hes probably 14, average age for a commie
nowdays you cant say your opinion without getting bombarded with hate
Nowadays you have to shut up. It's like, you just support something randomly bcause majority of the internet supports it.
@@Unknowndude-dg8trwell yeah I’d the holocaust happened rn of course people would get mad if you don’t support against it
@@Unknowndude-dg8trThat probably sounded clever in your head
@@Magnatross Sorry dude. I'm really sorry that I was having my own opinions. Never knew people would get butthurt.
i think source 4 gives a heavy bias against Palestine. Support for Hamas is far less common than support for Palestine.
This! Absolutely correct. I do not support Hamas at all. But i do support Palestine 🇵🇸
But Hamas and Palestine are the same tho
@@joker-pilled5892
Do you actually have citations in MLA or APA format to back your claim that Hamas and Palestine are the same?
@@whathell6t
Yes, search for the polls conducted there that state they support hamas. Not to mention that they voted in Hamas. So yes, hamas and Palestine are the same
You'd think support for Hamas and support for Palestine are 2 different things but literally everybody holding up signs in London condemning Hamas have been attacked...
why does the poll have "i stand with hamas" as an option but no "i stand with palestine" option 💀no one actually stands with hamas, including palestinians
pfftt keep dreaming.
go ahead and show me any polls asking whether people support palestinians or hamas 💀@@_d--
anything with Israel or Palestine, the new comments are just horrendous
This is the radicalization of normies. Also, 90% of the comments that make no sense are trolls.
Being pro Palestine shouldn’t be the same as being pro Hamas
I think it’s important to note that the left/right political alignment is informed by the political views of the individual, not the other way around. To say that young people side with Palestine because they “are more left-wing” is overly simplistic.
But that's literally it. Most people hold no individual opinion, but the one his ideology supposedly promotes.
@@BlackSunRX2008 speak for yourself. some of us just recognize patterns of colonization and don't rely on fox news.
@@Callisto_52Hz Colonization? They live there for more than a hundred years. What you call colonization is migration. I guess you are also against Mexicans or name your migrant boogieman? What Palestine demands is irredentism and simply put, genoicde. It'd be so much easier if they would agree to have their own state... which they historically always rejected.
If my country maintained this attitude up to the modern times we'd have been partitioned again, to destruction, and I'd be speaking some other language.
I get your point, but people’s existing political position will strongly affect their information sources. The connection between Islamic sectarianism and the far left may seem odd and is certainly opportunistic. But a connection can be seen psychologically, rage against a gentler but more powerful and/ or competent adversary.
I think the point as they explained it is valid. For one thing, they didn't cite it as the only reason, but merely as _one_ reason that it _might_ be increasing.
Second, partisanship is very very very real, and while there are plenty of divisions and diversity within any coalition, viewpoints _tend_ to align across the board. If a person leans left/right on a half dozen or so issues, or very strongly believes in a few, then they will be more _likely_ to also support most if not all the other viewpoints held on that side, because the media that they tend to watch will tend to reinforce that side, the politicians they elect to support their own priorities will also be supporting those other priorities, etc.
You might not go in caring about that cause, but over time, you would be more _likely_ to shift toward support of it than someone who is firmly in an opposing ideological camp.
Broadly speaking, it likely _is_ a factor here, that as Israel as presented to young people i more about aligning with far right positions, they would flinch away from it, whereas to older generations, their viewpoints were entrenched in prior periods of a more moderate and post-holocaust position.
0:13 Correction. The Pro-Palestine marches and rallies have taken place across Asia, Africa, South America, and other Middle Eastern countries, not just “The West”.
South America is also “The West”. It’s primarily composed of people who descend from Western Europe, speak Western European languages, and have cultures similar to Western Europe. The only reason many USAmericans deny that is because they don’t want to be associated with developing countries, as if it’s not their fault.
@@felipevasconcelos6736and it’s also in the western hemisphere
@@felipevasconcelos6736 Only south Americans think theyre from the west, no one else sees like that. USAmericans? Really?
saying politics is the reason people are siding with a country going through a genocide is crazy