Thank you for this video. I had this job done and shaking steering wheel problem fixed in about 3 hours (including beer breaks and learning curve) for about $200; including purchase of huge snap ring pliers. They are a must. That snap ring is big. Other videos removed the entire column and included steps to recalibrate after re-assembly. Not necessary. Hardest part was removing the trim. Rest was a breeze. Thanks again.
@@ProMachinist I didn't disarm the airbag. Just unplugged it. I usually touch the body of the car and ground at the same time before disconnecting that connector. As for calibration I would assume these brushed sensors have very tight specs when made, so little variation causing most installs to not need recal. If you don't have a scanner to do it foxwell makes scanners for $150 or less. Some that just do sensor recal's etc. With Autel you have to check their website for your vehicle. My Autel tpms TS501 works perfect for everything, but the MD808 pro I just assume doesn't work for anything it advertises. They give you the menus but it always says not supported, even for something as common as a 2011 Malibu. An honest shop would charge less than $100 to plug in and hit recal for their 5 minutes of time.
@@fer8888888 Nice. Thank you once again for the detailed information and lengthy explanation. I'm sure this will help future Malibu owners as well. We just missed the recall cutoff my 10 months and way under milage. We never received a notification regarding the steering issue so we never knew there was a potential problem or a recall. The actual steering issue started a few days ago. According to the Dealership yesterday, I was told that the issue could be the steering motor around $500 bucks or the torque sensor around $200 bucks and the diagnostic test would be $100 bucks. The labour was around 2 1/2 Hrs depending on which part need changing. labour. So, obviously there's a design flaw and a lost more unsafe vehicles like ours on the highway. I don't understand why the consumer is responsible for this.
@@ProMachinist Parts are only designed to meet the warranty period for them as cost cutting. Like lifetime fluids, which are really warranty period lifetime fluids. Rarely in some situations engineers know better but are constrained by cost. Most of the time it is a bunch of degreed engineers who don't know how to fix their cars and don't care to know designing them claiming to be car experts. If auto engineers fixed their own cars they would see what does and does not work very fast. The 2nd problem is non-passionate engineers do the minimum and leave. For example remember in the 90's when engine mounts failed left and right. One of those engineers told me, I never knew until recently they were failing so much because there was no process for the service group to notify engineering of top selling parts due to failures from design or manufacturing. So that engineer changed the rubber material to something that doesn't degrade as fast and engine mounts don't fail as much anymore. Once again if the engineer was actually a car person that fixed their own cars and paid attention to youtube like a passionate auto engineer many of these problems wouldn't exist because they would know what does and doesn't work. Any designs I am involved in, I always research youtube for common failure modes people complain about then make sure not to repeat them. But the lazy get a pay check and go home. The less performing engineers think the companies lesson learned documents are good enough. But youtube clearly has as better compilation of lessons learned in my opinion. Most people just post vids on how to replace the parts, but the right engineers clearly see what design flaws were inherent to the designs on youtube. Lack of the passion like the muscle car era with engineers is why car quality is going down hill these days. Another problem is HR doesn't care about hiring passionate talent when they see it, they prefer people that get along and hang out doing things like salsa dancing. I was literally on the verge of being fired for not being a team player due to not going salsa dancing and other stupid stuff after work with my tight group of engineer coworkers at a major automaker. Then an old HR person said it is not Eddie being anti-social because I tracked him after hours. He was going to the proving grounds building race cars and racing them against a few other engineers on the companies test tracks. Then that HR person said the reason you think Eddie is anti-social is because he is a car person and they are not. We haven't seen people like him since the hotrod era. So in reality Eddie has invited all his coworkers to build cars and race them but they don't want too because they are not car people who ironically work at a car company. Funny ending to this story is those coworkers got laid off and I was saved.
Nice work, Eddie...best video on TH-cam for this issue "symptom of steering wheel Parkinsonian Tremors". Great paralysis of analysis on your part. I went to a fly fishing casting seminar, the instructor was a phlebotomist, he actually put his fly fishing line, about 2 or 1 pound test line, under a microscope to determine the type of knot that results from a "wind knot", which is when the line knots itself on the backstroke of a fly fishing cast when it makes the big arc in back of the fisherman. Indeed, he confirmed it was a common overhand knot... Same paralysis of analysis obsession as you...
I want a recording of you saying "tampon" on a loop as my ring tone. Thanks for the really interesting video...I appreciate how you explained the minutia of a few aspects of the torque sensor, really cool!
Thanks! I bought the new sensor a while ago and saw several videos that took everything out. I too was wondering if I could leave the bottom half in and now I guess I have my answer. I'm guessing that will save quite a bit of time when I actually get around to swapping it out.
Just be sure to get the really big snap ring set on amazon. Or else putting that snap ring back will make your life miserable. Other than that, it's pretty easy and didn't require a sensor recall for me.
Thanks for the helpful video, it looks like I'll be doing this job soon on a friends car. I had to replace one on a 2008 Ford Escape and you're right the hardest part was removing the snap ring. I bought a large snap ring tool as you mentioned and it worked great. Any tips on removing what dash parts to access the steering column?
There is one hidden bolt in the lower left region of the HVAC area behind some trim. When removed it frees up a lot of movement in the lower dash. Other than that other TH-cam videos seem to cover the dash removal.
I have the steering lamp flickering while I am walking in the car and the steering becomes heavy, and I switch off the car and restart it, the steering lamp disappears and the steering wheel returns to work, what kind of malfunction is this?
@@fer8888888 I had to borrow a buddy's snap ring pliers because mine weren't big enough. He's a die hard Snap On guy and I'm a die hard Harbor Freight guy...😂
i finished this job and now my steering wheel pulls all the way to the right. i had everything centered from the begining n install when smooth. soon as i put power back on n started the wheel just rotated fully to the right.
@@scarvalho4800 took it to dealer and they said it was an installation failure. I know I Installed it correctly, I watched every vid on TH-cam to see how it was done. Its def not rocket science. I took the hit, didn't get upset n just told em to get me back on the road again. Girlfriend bought the car used for a thousand bucks back in 2014.
Going to the junk yard to get me a power steering motor and the part that holds the torque sensor...... My buddy pulled the snap ring out with some long nose pliers 90degree and took a grinder to it so it can fit into the holes and got it out. The part brand new is 340 just for the sensor. At a used parts store their selling the motor and the lower column that holds the sensor together for 250$. I'm in a pickle, if I get the part from the junkyard and it doesn't work, I will have no money for the 250 used part. Or Should I just go with the 250 for the parts and case close? Hmm Also for 2 days the power steering would come on and off Prior to it coming on non stop before I got a car wash. Then I got a car wash and after I got done cleaning the car, my car wouldn't start, and now the power steering is always on. Thats why I'm getting these parts now. And my car would start, and now its not starting. I wonder why that is. If the wires were unplugged from the power steering motor would that cause the car not to crank and turn on? Just curious.
static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2015/SB-10089834-2280.pdf gmauthority.com/blog/2021/03/nhtsa-wont-launch-investigation-over-steering-sensor-in-gm-vehicles/ Depends what it is being used for. To quiet down a potential rattle, yes. Links above show a struggle with this part, a felt washer in this case is looks very suspicious.
Yes, they go back into the 70’s on GM’s and others, but open the hood on a 1980 Monte, Impala, just name it. It A/C it use the axial 6 compressor that weighs 42lbs. The front seal is a spring load ceramic on graphite and uses a felt seal. I am glad he found what “Tampons” are for because I was not sure if he has ever had a girl friend! And what big snap-ring pliers you have grandma! All he had to do was barrow mine. They are 41 years old or more, because if you repair automatic transmission correctly you will need them. Mine say Kent-Moore? Hum, who makes those. But my Tech-2 says Hewlett-Packard on the back as well. Strange as something tells me he did not finish tech school last year. 16 months of work is a long time for certain kids born in the 90’s. DK, ASE master tech since 78
Thank you for this video. I had this job done and shaking steering wheel problem fixed in about 3 hours (including beer breaks and learning curve) for about $200; including purchase of huge snap ring pliers. They are a must. That snap ring is big. Other videos removed the entire column and included steps to recalibrate after re-assembly. Not necessary. Hardest part was removing the trim. Rest was a breeze. Thanks again.
Appreciate the feedback. I make these videos to help others breeze through it. I agree the trim was the hardest part.
Thanks for sharing. So, recalibration isn't necessary or is it just a gamble. Also did you have to disarm the air bags?
@@ProMachinist I didn't disarm the airbag. Just unplugged it. I usually touch the body of the car and ground at the same time before disconnecting that connector. As for calibration I would assume these brushed sensors have very tight specs when made, so little variation causing most installs to not need recal. If you don't have a scanner to do it foxwell makes scanners for $150 or less. Some that just do sensor recal's etc. With Autel you have to check their website for your vehicle. My Autel tpms TS501 works perfect for everything, but the MD808 pro I just assume doesn't work for anything it advertises. They give you the menus but it always says not supported, even for something as common as a 2011 Malibu. An honest shop would charge less than $100 to plug in and hit recal for their 5 minutes of time.
@@fer8888888 Nice. Thank you once again for the detailed information and lengthy explanation. I'm sure this will help future Malibu owners as well.
We just missed the recall cutoff my 10 months and way under milage. We never received a notification regarding the steering issue so we never knew there was a potential problem or a recall. The actual steering issue started a few days ago.
According to the Dealership yesterday, I was told that the issue could be the steering motor around $500 bucks or the torque sensor around $200 bucks and the diagnostic test would be $100 bucks. The labour was around 2 1/2 Hrs depending on which part need changing. labour. So, obviously there's a design flaw and a lost more unsafe vehicles like ours on the highway. I don't understand why the consumer is responsible for this.
@@ProMachinist Parts are only designed to meet the warranty period for them as cost cutting. Like lifetime fluids, which are really warranty period lifetime fluids. Rarely in some situations engineers know better but are constrained by cost. Most of the time it is a bunch of degreed engineers who don't know how to fix their cars and don't care to know designing them claiming to be car experts. If auto engineers fixed their own cars they would see what does and does not work very fast. The 2nd problem is non-passionate engineers do the minimum and leave. For example remember in the 90's when engine mounts failed left and right. One of those engineers told me, I never knew until recently they were failing so much because there was no process for the service group to notify engineering of top selling parts due to failures from design or manufacturing. So that engineer changed the rubber material to something that doesn't degrade as fast and engine mounts don't fail as much anymore. Once again if the engineer was actually a car person that fixed their own cars and paid attention to youtube like a passionate auto engineer many of these problems wouldn't exist because they would know what does and doesn't work. Any designs I am involved in, I always research youtube for common failure modes people complain about then make sure not to repeat them. But the lazy get a pay check and go home. The less performing engineers think the companies lesson learned documents are good enough. But youtube clearly has as better compilation of lessons learned in my opinion. Most people just post vids on how to replace the parts, but the right engineers clearly see what design flaws were inherent to the designs on youtube. Lack of the passion like the muscle car era with engineers is why car quality is going down hill these days. Another problem is HR doesn't care about hiring passionate talent when they see it, they prefer people that get along and hang out doing things like salsa dancing. I was literally on the verge of being fired for not being a team player due to not going salsa dancing and other stupid stuff after work with my tight group of engineer coworkers at a major automaker. Then an old HR person said it is not Eddie being anti-social because I tracked him after hours. He was going to the proving grounds building race cars and racing them against a few other engineers on the companies test tracks. Then that HR person said the reason you think Eddie is anti-social is because he is a car person and they are not. We haven't seen people like him since the hotrod era. So in reality Eddie has invited all his coworkers to build cars and race them but they don't want too because they are not car people who ironically work at a car company. Funny ending to this story is those coworkers got laid off and I was saved.
Nice work, Eddie...best video on TH-cam for this issue "symptom of steering wheel Parkinsonian Tremors". Great paralysis of analysis on your part. I went to a fly fishing casting seminar, the instructor was a phlebotomist, he actually put his fly fishing line, about 2 or 1 pound test line, under a microscope to determine the type of knot that results from a "wind knot", which is when the line knots itself on the backstroke of a fly fishing cast when it makes the big arc in back of the fisherman. Indeed, he confirmed it was a common overhand knot... Same paralysis of analysis obsession as you...
I want a recording of you saying "tampon" on a loop as my ring tone. Thanks for the really interesting video...I appreciate how you explained the minutia of a few aspects of the torque sensor, really cool!
Thanks! I bought the new sensor a while ago and saw several videos that took everything out. I too was wondering if I could leave the bottom half in and now I guess I have my answer. I'm guessing that will save quite a bit of time when I actually get around to swapping it out.
Just be sure to get the really big snap ring set on amazon. Or else putting that snap ring back will make your life miserable. Other than that, it's pretty easy and didn't require a sensor recall for me.
Thanks for the helpful video, it looks like I'll be doing this job soon on a friends car. I had to replace one on a 2008 Ford Escape and you're right the hardest part was removing the snap ring. I bought a large snap ring tool as you mentioned and it worked great. Any tips on removing what dash parts to access the steering column?
There is one hidden bolt in the lower left region of the HVAC area behind some trim. When removed it frees up a lot of movement in the lower dash. Other than that other TH-cam videos seem to cover the dash removal.
@@fer8888888 Thanks Eddie, I really appreciate your reply. I'll probably be doing this job next week. Take Care!
I have the steering lamp flickering while I am walking in the car and the steering becomes heavy, and I switch off the car and restart it, the steering lamp disappears and the steering wheel returns to work, what kind of malfunction is this?
Not sure what you mean, these cars have a message on a screen not a lamp that I am aware of.
Damn, I should have watched this one first. I pulled it ALL out.
Longest part is getting the crazy large snap ring pliers
@@fer8888888 I had to borrow a buddy's snap ring pliers because mine weren't big enough. He's a die hard Snap On guy and I'm a die hard Harbor Freight guy...😂
When in doubt, pull it out, 😆
So is the torque sensor and the angle sensor the same thing?
Torque angle sensor
i finished this job and now my steering wheel pulls all the way to the right. i had everything centered from the begining n install when smooth. soon as i put power back on n started the wheel just rotated fully to the right.
More than likely the computer didn't like the new sensor reading and it needs to be re-learned. As long as the sensor is good
@@fer8888888 thanks for the reply. Yeah, it's a brand knew sensor. Hardest part was taking that ring off.
Mine goes to the left. Did you get yours fixed?
@@scarvalho4800 took it to dealer and they said it was an installation failure. I know I Installed it correctly, I watched every vid on TH-cam to see how it was done. Its def not rocket science. I took the hit, didn't get upset n just told em to get me back on the road again. Girlfriend bought the car used for a thousand bucks back in 2014.
@@grilawrfr101 how much did they charge?
Going to the junk yard to get me a power steering motor and the part that holds the torque sensor......
My buddy pulled the snap ring out with some long nose pliers 90degree and took a grinder to it so it can fit into the holes and got it out. The part brand new is 340 just for the sensor.
At a used parts store their selling the motor and the lower column that holds the sensor together for 250$.
I'm in a pickle, if I get the part from the junkyard and it doesn't work, I will have no money for the 250 used part. Or Should I just go with the 250 for the parts and case close? Hmm
Also for 2 days the power steering would come on and off Prior to it coming on non stop before I got a car wash. Then I got a car wash and after I got done cleaning the car, my car wouldn't start, and now the power steering is always on. Thats why I'm getting these parts now.
And my car would start, and now its not starting. I wonder why that is.
If the wires were unplugged from the power steering motor would that cause the car not to crank and turn on? Just curious.
which type of vehicle this is
2011 Malibu
They've mostly switched to LED pickups. Nice video though.
Felt washers are pretty typical in the automotive industry.
static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2015/SB-10089834-2280.pdf
gmauthority.com/blog/2021/03/nhtsa-wont-launch-investigation-over-steering-sensor-in-gm-vehicles/
Depends what it is being used for. To quiet down a potential rattle, yes. Links above show a struggle with this part, a felt washer in this case is looks very suspicious.
Yes, they go back into the 70’s on GM’s and others, but open the hood on a 1980 Monte, Impala, just name it. It A/C it use the axial 6 compressor that weighs 42lbs. The front seal is a spring load ceramic on graphite and uses a felt seal.
I am glad he found what “Tampons” are for because I was not sure if he has ever had a girl friend!
And what big snap-ring pliers you have grandma! All he had to do was barrow mine. They are 41 years old or more, because if you repair automatic transmission correctly you will need them. Mine say Kent-Moore? Hum, who makes those.
But my Tech-2 says Hewlett-Packard on the back as well. Strange as something tells me he did not finish tech school last year. 16 months of work is a long time for certain kids born in the 90’s.
DK, ASE master tech since 78