Robert Greene’s Motivation for Writing the 48 Laws of Power
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This episode focuses on human nature and the principles surrounding strategy, power, and seduction with Robert Greene. We also discuss the motivations behind power, deceptive strategies, Robert’s many jobs before settling as an author, psychopathy, manipulation, agreeableness, feeling guilt over being ambitious, channeling your shadow, and much more.
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Thank you! You're my favorite Psychologist and Robert Greene is my favorite Author. Certainly, both titles do not fully represent the awesomeness you both possess.
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Thank you for making this.
This book should be looked as providing the tools and awareness to not be manipulated by others.
It’s a counterintelligence for sure 😂
That's what I've been saying! People some how look at it as an instrument of manipulation.
Either that, or it's the manipulators who tries to push people away from this book which is terrifying.
Life is about perception.
exactly
@@mrThorleifsen Exactly.But people who see it this way are probably manipulative hypocrites themselves .
Do you want to be loved?
- Read: The Art of Seduction.
Do you want to be respected?
- Read: The 48 Laws of Power.
Do you want to understand people?
- Read: The Laws of Human Nature.
▪︎THE AUTHOR IS A LEGEND.
Don't forget Mastery to understand how to master your field.
Yeah right until you get punched in a face in real life lmao.
Do you want to win in war
Read: 33 Laws of War
The author is a plagiarist.
He said there was no honesty about the dynamics of power? You mean like the book the Ralph GH Siu wrote called The Craft of Power?
Do you want to be happy?
Read The Quran
In this cruel world this book is a eye opener for people with innocent characters.
I read *the laws of human nature* from a young age of 15, and it gave me nothing but an understanding of myself and people around me, and suddenly life just stopped hurting and before I knew it, I wasn't thinking like a selfless insecure prick because of this book. At one point reading the book, it made me cry because of how much faith and warmth Mr Greene writes to the audience, he felt like a father figure I never had.
lmao
What's with the profile pic
thats fantastic, im reading that book now.
at that age i was still going through the Bible
Same here
Im currently reading mastery and happened the same to me, beautiful.
I love your work so much JP. Grateful for you putting your work out here for us 🙏🏻❤️
Two Living Legends in one show, I don't know what can i ask more. You guys have helped shaped me and continually shaping the world for the better. Thank you Robert and Jordan.
This absolutely fantastic content, what an intellectual conversation between two amazing men
How cool it is to see these two authors together.
For me, the book "The 48 Laws Of Power" was nothing but a source of information about those people who can manipulate you and how they can do it. This is a resource that shows concrete examples, although sometimes subjective, but very interesting, how a person can act. It was very interesting to get Peterson's opinion, as I sometimes looked at and drew parallels with the book "12 Rules for Life".
I've got 1 book each to our iconic modern heroes and it changed my frame of mind a lot. Thank you to both of you. My respect.
So awesome to see two GOATS discuss this topic! Will watching the full interview for sure.
The timing of this snippet is exceptional for me. Thank you.
This book is sooo good. Thank you for that interview, Jordan.
Life changer! 😆
JBP has incredible listening skills. He was able to summarise what RG said about himself and he himself acknowledged to be well put.
I was thinking about that when he did it lol
So happy you’re back in good health and sharper than ever Dr Peterson
Two of the greatest minds of our time, having a great conversation that we're lucky enough to witness in podcast format. Unbelievable.
I love JPs advice on how to listen properly, you have to recite the others point in your own words so that the other agrees with it, and you can see how perfectly he did it in this interview.
Dr. Peterson this was long due ! Two of the greatest modern day thinktanks! Its not just about hardwork..
Two of the most renowned psychologist,eminences in there own way,both have amazing books .
Amazing talks. It’s amazing to listen to 2 people that can truly be on the same page of truth without wanting a false protection of morals or ego
Thanks for everything Jordan!
this is what our generation needs to listen. two real legands together
For sure!
These two men together having a conversation is super fulfilling. 2 of my favorite ppl ever
To hear the author himself connect the idea of power to Nietzsche's philosophy is music to my ears
Robert Greene's voice is so soothing and meditative
Because of this podcast i have now ordered the 48 laws!
Really excited to check it out
Evaluation: there were some usefull and smart rules in the book (for example: concentrate your forces, never outshine the master, dont build a fortress). But most of the laws were based on presenting yourself in a deceptive manner to influence the perception of others. This was a bit shocking to read and demotivated me to continue.
I would say that this book is (only) very usefull when your in a highly competitive environment. But i would not recommend to generalize these laws in to your everyday life IF you are trying to be more truthfull and your aiming up.
(I did appreciate the honesty of mr Greene in the 48 laws. He presented the facts, wether you liked them or not. Therefore this book helped me to be less naive about human nature and the goodness of the intentions of others).
@@hankdestratenmaken7450 you really got back to the video. I would've forgot my comment lol
Poor you. Your quality of being will diminish.
Another good one doc! Keep it up, I for one get a great deal of positive from your work!
@@user-bs1ky4uy3s ok, will do.
Thanks to Dr Peterson and Mr Greene. I managed to overcome trauma because of their work.
Excellent video! This was one of my favorite books.
I empathize to a great degree with Robert when he says these dynamics are ubiquitous but generally not discussed in contexts where they are really the elephant in the room. At the same time, it’s part of the seeking of power to not discuss them openly, which is only further credit to Robert for writing his books and articulating so well something which we all are subconsciously aware of. I enjoyed his books a lot and find them extremely valuable as history lessons as well.
This is absolute gold. The only books I’ve ever purchased are from these guys
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Dr. Peterson is wonderful listening to; for me, - Jordan is truly just like stepping out into the sunshine on the clearest of days and taking a deep breath and feeling clean fresh air in my lungs after prolonged confinement in a cold dark dungeon.
So grateful for this podcast!
Such a fine damn line brother!!! I read these books in prison even though they are not allowed at 52 yrs old. Well-read in Philosophy, these books shook me a little like Makaveli and Sun Tzu did at 18! I agree about society and their ills. Once I make the conscience choice to start Implementing this type of behavior that I dislike in other people, I will only spiral downwards with them. Association breeds simulation, as a Virgo I have to be careful not to be consumed by ideologies like this. I have a difficult enough time with the moral compass I have now. Nice verbal 2 step brother but thank you for being on You tube when I was released (for growing weed indoors) from prison. You helped me adjust mentally when I came home to this crazy world a year ago
As a salesman and bussines man this books thought me the most. The 48 laws of power are nothing but the full truth of human nature! I used this laws for my professional life and i can only confirm that these laws if used correctly they can make any goal come true!
Used car salesman?
@@teslacarfan i also sold cars. But now im developing a AI for our financial application. On top of that still selling HVAC + solar panels its easy money
@buxey I would 100% recommend it!!
bussines man lol
@K B Have you identified sales may not be your niche?
Wow!! Two wonderful Intellectuals and my favorite people, great to see them together discussing. Treat for us viewers. Please do more discussions like this
I’ve been waiting for this legendary battle for years. ⚔️
IT FINALLY HAPPENED.
I have wanted these two to meet for a LONG TIME!
After reading POWER, I was taken aback by the way it could be misinterpreted. I too also, looked at it from Neitches "Will to Power." Thank you for clearing that up. Anyone who tried to deny the fact that POWER PLAY does not take place in the workplace, has never worked anywhere long enough. Yes, rule number 1 is very important because you do not want to become a threat to the masters livelihood. Great discussion!!!!
Nietzsche* common man it's not that difficult 😂
@@rokanza2293 *come on
@@duncecan3047 auto-correct, it's funny though I'll admit that
@@rokanza2293 don’t but it
@@duncecan3047 ? Lol
Luv listening to Dr. Peterson!
Two of the greatest thinkers of this new age.
I love that book very nicely written specially the historical references were great read it a couple of times and would read it again it helped me a lot! 👍
Thank you for all your work Dr Jordan B. Peterson. I’m grateful for all the ideas and motivation you brought in my life. Se you in Budapest in June. Hope we can shake hands a take a picture.
May everyone who is watching this video succeed in their goals which will definitely improve their and their love ones lives.
Healthy and productive days and years, mr Peterson!
I'm glad this is clarified.
I was shocked too when reading tge book but I carried on and soon started thinking tgat this book is not just teaching what to do but is exposing tgat shadow that we use in our lifes.
I was thoroughly impressed with this video. The production value is top-notch and the subject matter was presented in a clear and engaging way. Your hard work and dedication definitely shows. Keep up the amazing work!😀
As a student of clinical psychology, your videos have always inspired me to understand what it actually means to be human.
All of our makeup (sometimes called simply the human condition) more specifically those psychological traits characteristic of humans, that make use unique/special and differentiate us from others; whom we may overlap with in other ways, categorically. Characteristics that allow us to reason with our inner self and the world around us and ultimately choose a more self centered approach to life or a more outward, socially compassionate way. And its understanding the importance of BOTH and desiring a feasibly health balance between the two, while staying in allignment w ones true essence (drum roll..)
👉 Are what i believe it means to be human.
- ✌️❤️🤙
That's a good idea! 👍
It's refreshing to hear the author's sincere account of why he wrote this book. It's refreshing because power dynamics underpin our existence in a world of people. They colour our everyday lives which creates our destiny. Yet its all vague and surreptitious, no one clearly understands the what or why's so instinct takes over. And it becomes survival of the craftiest.
Such a book brings this shadow out so we can really look at it. Whether with a view to manipulate others or simply avoid being manipulated.
I have this book and had never seen the author, it is quite good but the font and style is visually difficult for those with long sightedness.
get kindle or ereader bro
Hey . . . anyone here knows what kind of power he, the author, has attained so far; and how much has he attained?
Why do you assume he is being sincere. If he follows the laws himself, then he wouldn't be compelled to be sincere. Just control the perspective to one that puts him in a favorable light
@@04dram04 I'm not controlling any perspective. Merely stating my own. His account is believable and therefore sounds sincere.
What a great conversation
I was waiting for this interview all my life.
God bless you Jordan all the way from the good old UK 🇬🇧
Wonderful and really really super amazing.
I don't know how to thank you and how to describe this. Thank you very much, I've enjoyed this great podcast very much.
As my current read, I really needed this interview.
Really informative and eye opening
Thank you Dr. Peterson for changing my life. You really have made me want to be a better and stronger person. I’m extremely grateful for all the sacrifices you’ve made to share you work with the world.
I like the 48 laws because in the game of life nothing is never as simple as it seems.
One rule does not apply in all situations.
Sometimes it's best to act, sometimes you need to be bold.
Human interactions are about power. Learn to read the room.
Loved this. Thank you.
Great piece
I'm currently reading this book. It's been a slow read for me. But I have enjoyed the lessons learned
If you’ve come across or been in a relationship with someone manipulative you understand the purpose of this book from the moment you’ve began reading it.
I’m surprised Jordan didn’t see through its guidance and spotlight on historical examples
Jordan Peterson is just a hippie living in his own bubble. I don't know Robert Greene job experience, but from what I've seen so far, both from what he is telling and what I've experienced, the world we are living it's not just rainbows and sunshine. Some people are unrepairable but people like Jordan Peterson and other cheap self-help gurus will tell you that you can change them. DON'T WASTE YOUR LIFE ON THEM. Besides that, even him and his daughter has some mental limitations which can be easy seen but they will blatantly ignore them while focusing on others. Besides this, even in 1st world countries people don't see how tricked and subliminally lied they are and blame 3rd world countries for all the evil in the world while they are not so much better.
I was kinda disappointed he didn’t see it from the start I first read the book at 15-16 years old and actually understood the book clearly and it’s purpose
@K B there's a problem
@K B I have read the book multiple times, and I don't remember ever coming across the intention to make people more aware of the manipulative tactics. I had to arrive at that conclusion myself. That is why I don't recommend the book to people with shaky morales; the book is not clear about the intentions illustrated by the author in this interview.
He is conducting an interview guys. He knows very plainly what it is for. You think yourself far too high to judge him for this.
Oh this is really interesting to me. I will listen to the full podcast, thank you.
Thank You Sir Jordan Peterson. To me You are the Godf
ather of Canada. Thank you fpor saving all of us. and thank You to one of my favorite author of all time. Merci infiniement a vous monsieur Robert Greene.
Just bought the book last week. I canf put it down. It's so damn good. Buying the rest of your books once I finish this one
Me too just bought it last week.
True, as a young person I find it so hard to relate with people especially in the work place and in friendships, people feel threatened and often you have to tone down to please people. It almost sounds like people are ok with you as long as you do not outshine them. social spaces are so hard to navigate, you constantly need to change to fit in. people are struggling with themselves their transfer their all their insecurities to others this is very apparent in spaces where people are competing places like workplace and even in friendships.
Never outshine the master is a great piece of advice!
I feel like I've been manipulated by others in the past. This book has allowed me to clearly see that this is true, and how it happened.
I'm 20 years old. This book opened up a new perspective for me on how to view the world and people, this book gave me a connection to people I never had before, this book freed me, made me more powerful, and more confident in a good way. This book literally fulfils my heart. I would HIGHLY recommend.
I'm very glad this book was written. Thank you for bringing Robert Greene to us.
Reading this helped me see worlds I didn't know existed within the underbelly of what I observed.
finally Ive been waiting for JP to interview RG
Amazing conversation between titans 👏
Thank you for this! Like Greene, I've viewed his "laws" as necessary evils, in that these power plays DO exist, despite anyone's wish they wouldn't. Akin to saying they "come with the territory." In my mind, part of his book applies well to someone wanting to expand the positive aspects of building professional etiquette. (There is information that is neutral and describes some healthy behavior, not the least of which is confidence.) Any moral being will feel as if even the table of contents reads like a play book inspired by the Devil himself. I continued through the book for two reasons: to understand both the power plays and the motivations behind them. I've been the victim of Outshining The Master, the unicorn hunt, and many others, just within the past few years. I realized so many more once I finished the book- that spanned decades of real work experience. Curiously, the vast majority of actors did not have a plan, and knew not that their deeds and actions were neither unique nor new. Green did a good job of exposing root motivations and basic human behavior, though I can't say whether or not this was his prime focus. It surely worked out to that end, in my opinion. Thanks to Jordan for reaching out to Green and for this interview!
Such a generous comment with an admirable appeal to honesty
Seems like you enjoyed his books 😆
This reminds me of a great book from decades ago: Winning Through Intimidation by Robert J. Ringer. The title is provocative, but it’s really about understanding intimidation so that you can recognize when others are playing you. That book was a real eye-opener for me that gave me a great bullshitometer.
you are appreciated!!
I listen to the audiobook a month or so ago and really I liked it a lot.
Thank you, Dr. Jordan Peterson.
I have watched almost all of your lecture series, and just started with your book 12 Rules for Life. You have improved my life with your work and I thank you.
Love and gratitude from South Africa
This brilliant book is, in a real sense, a book for the ages because it shows, even proves, that human nature is unchanging. And that the court of the world is indeed a dark, turbulent place. "Its up to you,' says Greene, ' to make the separation between yourself (as a leader) and others permanent.' Good. The book could be called elitist. Even better. Clever guy.
My 2 favourite authors of this generation
This man is a true genius 👏
I respect both of these gentlemen and as a professional in a similar field I incorporate many of those concepts.i have both of their books and often recommended them to clients as part of their therapy 😀
Astrology is a similar field? 😆
@@hyperspacejester7377 yes because planetary relationships are important. Moon is mind and it can be troubled. Saturn and mercury that are placed with certain alignments effect each one of us differently. I'm Also a life coach and educator. Carl Jung was also aware of how astrology was very significant. I hope this helps. Ask yourself why you felt necessary to address me at all?
@@Divinenubian The planets made me do it ✌️ 😆
Two great minds. Thank you for this.
Love both these guys 😊
Great book and life changing I started it when I was in prison but had it ripped for my hand as contraband in the middle of it I finished it when I got out and I've read it several times since everyone should read this book
Stop it! Don’t start any rumours
@@colemancalgary5260 what rumors? Care to clarify?
If you are reading this, know that you are worthy of anything you desire. Most times it amazes me greatly how I moved from an average lifestyle to earning over $63k per month, Utter shock is the word. I have understood a lot in the past few years that there are lots of opportunities in the financial market. The only thing is to know where to invest.......
I keep wondering how people earn money in financial markets, i tried trading bitcoin on my own made a huge loss and now I'm scared of investing more.
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@@bjoe631 You allow people to trade for you? that's interesting, I would love to learn, hope it’s safe?
Wow I can't believe you guys are discussing about Gary Mason Brooks , I once met him at a conference in California 2019, just before the pandemic. I can testify that he’s very good in trading..Highly recommended.
@@susanhaynes679 This is the Fourth time I'm seeing someone talking about Mr Gary as there are lot of testimonies about him, do you know him ? if yes , did you invest with him ?
This book along with Il Principe are the greatest books ever written
I can't believe this crossover oh my gods I'm living for this
How do we combat the narcissistic sociopaths?
Learn to spot and out them. Protect the Empathetic.
48 laws of power achieves this.
Well done.
Yes
The shift from viewing the laws as "advice on how to act" over to "the mechanisms by which power is attained" happened very early on in the book for me because I had that reaction where I felt as though a given law was not worth employing in my everyday life. That shift entirely removed the sour taste that I think a lot of people got from the book. As I read, each law was a behavior that begat a certain result, like a tool. There are behaviors I would personally consider and some I wouldn't, but I wanted to know of the behaviors that worked, even if I felt the cons outweighed the pros under normal circumstances.
Everyone knows you can purchase or steal a car, and both methods have a unique set of consequences. Knowing that stealing a car works and also brings about x, y, and z isn't irrelevant to someone who thinks it's usually a bad idea. Being entirely ignorant of car theft just makes you an easy victim and unable to recognize the opportunity to steal a car were some emergency situation to suddenly turn car theft into a good decision.
Yes
It's similar to "The Art of War", you can become aware of certain mechanisms and strategies without the desire to use them yourself. I would, for example, like to know how sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists operate, how you can recognize them etc. You can also us it to realize when your own behaviour or your own thoughts are going too far.
Yep. To me, it didn't seem you were intended to view the methods exclusively from the side of the executor. We're all plenty ignorant to fall victim to these things with some regularity. Awareness of how we are taken advantage of is sometimes more useful than the skill to take advantage. To read the whole book exclusively as the "perpetrator" is essentially arrogance. You're presuming the people around you are harmless play things that you could take advantage of, reading someone describe a cruel means of doing so, and then having the temerity to accuse the author of being morally objectionable.
Exactly
@@Eddyspekboter read Gavin DeBecker ("The Gift of Fear," "Protecting The Gift," "2 Seconds," and the book written by the FBI agent who helped create criminal profiling- which I have yet to read myself but have been told is excellent. )
Two of the best humans in this world!
one of the best books i ever read...
I liked this book, it helped me te become a lawyer en get true the university.
its contradictory, and if you actually wanna get ahead, be direct and blunt, and do things well. Its way too much manipulation
I'm glad to see an analysis of this book, and I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on it. I read it in my early teens and decided to follow the laws to gain power over my peers. It led to a place of deep loneliness and pride. I wouldn't recommend that anyone implement them (though I'm glad people have gleaned some good from the book).
🤣🤣🤣 led to a place of deep loneliness and pride...
love Robert Greens books so much
These tow people talking to each other makes me feel happy I don’t know why but they are one of the greatest people I’ve ever known on social media
The 48 Laws Of Power is known to circulate in correctional institutions and not for the betterment of the inmates. I have observed with my own eyes this book being shared among juvenile felons (early- to mid-twenties) as the bible on how to manipulate people. Even worse is Greene's The Art of Seduction with chapters like 1. Choose the Right Victim and 15. Isolate the Victim. I observed that book being circulated among sex offenders. I would counter the 48 Laws Of Power with How to Win Friends and Influence People as an alternative to becoming a person genuinely interested in and caring about others versus being manipulative to obtain power and the object of their desire which was the goal.
I read this book more than 20 years ago while employed in an organization which, I am convinced, used Golding’s “Lord of the Flies” as an HR manual. Although the book seemed utterly Machiavellian, it was also a helpful guide to understanding what was going on around me. Ultimately the king in this court proved to be mentally unstable and I was one of the casualties. Fortunately, I landed on my feet in the long run.
"an organization which, I am convinced, used Golding's "Lord of the Flies" as an HR manual." THAT IS HILARIOUS! 😂😂🤦🏽♂️👌🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🖋🌟
I want to remember that as a quote 😛
This is Gold!
Come on guys the conch is a good system!
Love your 'Lord of the Flies' analogy😂👌 I've experienced that baptism by fire when I was waaay to young to grasp what exactly was happening and how it would affect me. Thankfully I didn't join 'the feast of flesh' but that experience stands out as one of my toughest life lessons. Now you've just engraved that disturbing imagery in my brain🙆♀️🫠✌️Thanks😂
I love all of his books. Brilliant mind.
Love Robert he’s been my favorite author since 2011…
As it relates to one's career, and having worked in some very political environments I learned a few things id like to share.
1) when you are naive and don't know any different you think you have to play politics and that's just how it is
2) large corporations are inherently political (despite their attempts at promoting or developing a "culture" thst is based on meritocracy)
3) you need to recognise if that is for you or not. Simple decision, if not then don't play that game
4) focus on building competence at something. own your own develoment and with relatively high competence you will have control over your direction
4) you can leave those toxic environments and find a place to work where those skills are recognised, and you don't need to kiss anyone's arse to get ahead.
5) doing that is likely to leave you so much more satisfied than if you play politics and artificially work your way up the ladder in a place you don't really like, playing games that stress you out.
6) never wait till you are unhappy to make a change in your job. Look for your next challenge when you are feeling your best
4:35 - 4:52
More relatable words shared amongst those who have worked in many fields are rarely spoken. On the surface level everything looks like flowers, it's easy to forget there are usually snakes beneath them until you really experience that firsthand over and over again.
The flowers represent diplomacy that all these snakes hide behind, I assume ?
@@jimsippi1419 Imagine going into a job thinking everything looks great, people seem nice, all smiles, only for a few weeks in for people to start conniving against you behind your back and trying to set you up to get written up/fired from said job, to the point in which they are able to puppeteer your managers and supervisors into making your life there that much more unbearable, even though you'd just rather stay invisible, do your time and go home. Enough repetition of this causes one to get jaded and see the things that he saw, that human beings in the workplace are usually quite manipulative and toxic. I've worked a lot of jobs and this doesn't change anywhere you go, even when I was at places in which I thought everyone was congenial and great, as soon as I left or the company went south, they all pretend they never knew you, you start to realize a lot of folk are only nice to you because you might be their boss one day, etc. A lot of stuff that just makes you find yourself not exactly in love with the fact that you're the same species as these folk.
Sounds about right, I guess. Too bad though. Ladder walkers, Sounds like.
GRATEFUL
Listening to this book on audible as of late. I believe I'll find it quite beneficial