Dragons's Dogma $2.99 | Dropped Frames Episode 383
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Cohh has returned with tales from his week at GDC! News has also returned from GDC as we learn Larian Studios is done with Baldur's Gate 3 and Dungeons & Dragons, Ubisoft shows off generative AI & more! We chat about the Apex Legends hack, Riot's MMO resurfaces, Dawntrail gets a release date and then we talk a whole bunch about Dragon's Dogma 2!
0:00 - Frosted tips
5:30 - Bidets
9:30 - TV
12:20 - Cohh went to GDC
31:40 - Larian done with Baldur's Gate
44:50 - Ubisoft AI
54:30 - Will Smith was making a zombie game?
58:50 - APEX Legends hack
1:03:30 - Riot's MMO not set in League of Legends
1:07:40 - FFXIV Dawntrail gets a release date
1:12:00 - Overwatch 2 PVE completely scaled back
1:14:40 - Steam families
1:17:40 - Watch Parties dead on Twitch
1:34:20 - VR
1:36:20 - Dragon's Dogma $2.99
2:02:00 - Dragon's Dogma 2 is amazing also
2:42:40 - Alone in the Dark
2:45:00 - Shoutouts
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HELP! I'm still being eaten by a wolf!!!
I see that you took the same path that my father used to take to go to school, godspeed
Mayhap I can interest you in my healer pawn to help? 🤪🤪🤪
DansGame
Its wild people bought into Overwatch 2 PvE, then they took out and SOLD the PvE in tiny pieces. THEN COMPLAINED IT DIDN'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY SO STOPPED COMPLETELY. Absolutely gross.
That image haunts me. Why did they need teeth?
A truly cursed intro picture
There is a thing called pawn inclinations and you can have a pawns that rarely ever speak.
You can have a full party of mostly mute pawns.
Dropped Frames are the best part of my monday routine 😊
It took me some thinking but i managed to get my weight to light most of the time.
You gotta dump all the craftables into your pawns and only keep minimal items on yourself and ruberants that weigh almost nothing.
I'm not shocked the dragon's Dogma subreddit is meme heavy. The DMC subreddit is the same way, and as they're both action games from Capcom. There is a heavy overlap between Dragon's Dogma fans and DMC fans.
Week 168 part 2 is the dropped frames where they discuss Assassin's Creed Odyssey's monetization
1:53:39 Now this is good TH-cam short material. Maybe a little animation to go with the story.
Great title!
4:55 into the video and we're all the way back to ALMOST folders vs scrunchers again.
For the NPCs disappearing thing, I read something earlier where the Devs said the NPCs come back after a few days.
There is spawn specialization that is basically "I won't talk unless I have to."
Kind of takes up an important specialization though, there way better specializations that can help a lot.
@loudmoon-rk3ct unless I'm misremembering, it's an inclination, not a specialization.
for FF7 Rebirth, I played on easy and did the main quest, green side quests, and the chadley stuff that was required. That still took me 65 hours to finish.
on the DD2 thing.
The reason we do NOT want microtransactions in SP games is because they lock core features of the game. This is another example of biz taking over game companies and testing the water to see how hard they can pull the strings. (see MGS also).
I just don't think vr headsets are ever going to take off. There's such a small demographic of people who can both afford it, have space for it, and don't get violently ill from it.
Oculus has already taken off and is very affordable, over time hardware becomes cheaper. It will definitely be a regular household item eventually. I do home inspections and I can tell you straight up I see them everywhere.
They're about as expansive as the DS was back the day and can fit on your desk easily
@@Americanbadashh But the DS was useful, and why would you ever think by space i meant how big the headset is?
Biggest issue is with BG3 being on sale is on PC it's already $10 cheaper then PlayStation. right now BG3 is the same price as the PC version with 10% off.
I'm pretty sure no one bought a PSVR 2 headset because it costs more than the actual console which is (currently) required to even use the damn thing.
Zeke, our Slavic linguist xD Well done!
MTX is and always was going to be a war of attrition. The people who gave up on the overarching fight are long gone, so the only ones left in the trenches are mumbling to themselves with a thousand yard stare fighting ghosts on not-twitter, and to them its like the war started yesterday.
You're too right. It is sort of haunting to hear different peoples views on this dd2 MTX thing. So many people just shrug and say : Eh, It was going to be in there anyway. I don't care. I'm one of those people too, and it sort of hurts to admit. In small part, I wish I'd be as principled as these people who refuse to buy dd2. I'm envious of their tenacity to uphold their values. Mine have eroded in the face of an uncaring industry.
I wish it wasn't so, but to some extent, the unity CEO(? I can't remember if it was actually them) was correct when they said "If you don't put MTX in your game, you're a moron". MTX has the ability to make an obscene amount of money. Even if you have an executive that really cares about the game they're building, trying to explain to shareholders or a publisher why you shouldn't print free money is difficult. Particularly when those people aren't gamers, but investors.
That jumpscare😢
Would love to see Larian's take on Vampire the masquerade
The Dragon's plague does not brick your save, all the npcs will respawn after some time.
Give Barry a break, he was team-wiping his way through Helldivers 2.
I feel like Cohh isn't thinking about part of the problem with the AI tools. Yes the gane devs might like to use them as tools to make their job easier FOR NOW. Using the example he stated of a designer being able to prototype concepts, yeah that makes their job easier for sure. But eventually it makes their job SO easy that they don't have a job anymore. Their services are no longer needed. And then they won't like that their old job is so easy to do.
KEEP MY GAME OUT YOUR MOUTH!!!!
Gonna preface this by saying, this is just how I feel, and I'm glad that the gameplay is actually good and people are enjoying DD2.
Ever since DD2 was announced, I was looking forward to it. I have played Dark Arisen a ton and really enjoyed it.
I have not picked up DD2, yet, and I'm finding it hard to justify it for >myself< at this point, with the myriad of issues plaguing its launch.
I don't like Microtransactions in Single player games, personally I think MTXs in general is bad for the consumer and perhaps the gaming industry as a whole.
In DD2s case, I could look past it, just not buy it, IF the rest of the game is fine.
Denuvo is not fine.
The main reason I'm not picking up DD2 is Denuvo, and how it has been proven to impact performance and game launches in the past, and it seems that it is no different with DD2.
Already the fact that you can't make a new character easily could very likely be due to Denuvo, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the performance issues are directly tied to it as well.
Capcom has a habit of releasing most of their games with Denuvo and removing it after it has been cracked. That might happen 2 weeks from now, or a couple of months down the line. I just hope that the game is still as enticing to me then, as it is now.
THANK YOU for pointing out the insane amount of workflow AI can allow going forward based on a foundational pipeline, it doesn't get mentioned enough in the whole rigmarole.
God i hate denuvo, people already hacking pawns. Ran into like several maxed out all vocation pawns last night with Lv 5-11 arisens.
JP also drops a major game spoiler, so avoid DD2 section if you dont want your game spoiled
Dive pods/some sort of neural headband or bust. I don't want to wear clunky crap and I don't really much care for moving around in a room AND also moving in a virtual space, just 'knock me out' and take me to a virtual space
Would love to see Pirate Software on dropped frames to talk about kernel level anti-cheat!
The boss fights is DD2 are top tier. I feel the story and the quests where not good.
Steam family sharing is not region locked by the way, chat is wrong. You can use it with someone from another country, my girlfriend lives in Poland right now and im in the UK and she uses my library
The current Steam Family Sharing is not, but the Steam Families beta is and, unless it changes before release, it will release like that too.
I have had my 10g tongue barbell out for 3-4 years, and I just put it back in, it didn't hurt but the hole had shrunk significantly and offered some resistance. (I was always told once you get near 10g on any hole it is fairly permanent)
No Rebirth talk?? Been waiting for you guy's thoughts
Last week
They both haven't finished. At the end of the dragons dogma part JP said he was a bit burnt out on the game though.
No, they are not allowed to talk about it without Maximilian Dood.
@@lilfuzzballaMax was on easy allies yesterday for 4 hours, they missed out
Aaah so the Cohh chat interruptions are back
It was review bombed because the game wouldn't work for PC players. Now I'm sure JP and Cohh didn't have a whole lot of issues because they have top of the line computers, but the average person, heck even Penguinz0 couldn't even start up the game, it just kept crashing. So for once, I think the negative reviews on steam are accurate, and not just hating on the game.
I'm one of those gamers that refuses pay full price for a single player game with MTX. There's no reason for having them other than greed.
I'd rather support studios that don't. Much like Ubisoft, I can just wait to play these cash grabs on Game Pass.
Cohh talking AI writing vs. human writing like he never played Starfield
Would it be possible for people to do the “watch party” the old fashioned way, and tell viewers when to start and try to sync up as closely as possible? I would still love for Cohh to be able to hang out with chat watching it :/
It debuted to mostly negative because of the performance, the mtx was a cherry on top.
most of the criticism dd2 is receiving in the steam store is about perfomance issues and crashes in a game that doesnt even look that good, the mtx are the final insult
Yeah the performance is the main target. But when there's one big issue with a game, players on steam will often review bomb everything and MTX might as well go down with it in their eyes.
Not a good sign when even the positive reviews often note that the game runs like sh*t and you should wait for a patch.
"Deeper than binary on/off's" Kohh's goin' places.
I was not good enough to play Elden Ring, so I refunded it. Is Dragon Dogma 2 as hard as a souls like? I'm a scrub nooblet single player gamer.
Definitely not. The most important thing is always having a mage for healing and keeping your armor up to date and upgraded.
It's a lot easier if you get both mage and fighter to rank 2 as they give you augments (perks basically) to increase your physical and magic def respectively.
Sevn can say Wizards were good and there is no bad blood with Hasbro. But everyone knows that they were trying to create their own Live game to aid with Dungeons and Dragons. And are very unhappy with the success of BG3 and the power Larian gained because of that. They wanted to cut ties and retain the license in-house to develop a game and live service content that would directly aid D&D. As their focus lately has been entirely on that, which is digitalizing the TTRPG as that is how they see a future and life in it. Compiling their talks about AI and other licensing issues, it is very obvious Sven was put in a position where he couldn't say anything other than nice things.
Such a shame would have loved to have seen more D&D-related stuff from Larian, at the very least BG3 DLC and expansions. But I am still very much excited and looking forward to their future endeavors.
If you have a full price tag, MTX should not be allowed. period.
The interesting thing is free games get a free pass for MTX, but they are the ones that are usually more greedy and predatory.
Regarding the AI discussion: what Cohh is talking about is basically whether AI can create art or not. It can create content - and eventually excellent content that we will resonate with - but there is no personal expression to it, there is no thought going into what the AI feels or thinks, because it neither feels nor thinks.
What makes reading, or watching movies, or playing games, and so on (what is so cynically called "consuming") so interesting to me is that the thing was made by a person. It's the expression of creativity, as well as what they personally think is fun, or what triggers certain emotions and so on. I also have a lot of appreciation for the skill that goes into making those things, regardless of its level. I enjoy seeing what people have figured out how to make. I like human ingenuity. All those things are pretty much lost with AI. That is not to say AI has no benefits, just that it will never be able to fill that space, at least not for me.
Well said! 👏 +1
Pretty soon we're gonna be at a stage where we'll be saying.. " You don't have to buy the $10 sprint pack. You can play the game just fine without having to sprint. You can walk everywhere, the developers have given you that freedom."
We had that a decade ago when Deus Ex Mankind Divided came out and Cohh was also on the fence about how you could buy skill points early.
Imagine a Metroidvania where you can get double jump in four hours, or buy it for 1.99.
Yup. Slowly but surely we are getting there...
Dragon's Dogma 2 got hit hard because the DLC came out hours after release without advertisement, at least Like a Dragon it was known to have DLC long time ago for those people to make the decision to not buy it, while DD2 there was no backout/refund out of it after the fact.
bong artist... clearly they have never heard of plumbers before...
Cohh you should watch that show Bikeman is watching. Tokyo Vice. he says it's lie ka mix between yakuza games and judgment.
Normally on Steam u can see all the day one available DLC months in advance, but dragon's dogma hid it for as long as possible. That tells me all i need to know.(i know its microtransactions but its using the same system as DLC)
Im like Cohh. For me, microtransactions have no place in singleplayer games.
These greedy companies are always trying to push boundaries. Maybe is harmless now but if we keep allow them, it will be worse.
Is like the phrase ""you give them a hand and they'll take your whole arm"
PD: Im playing Assasins Creed Odyssey right now and the coolest armors are in the store.
What about a game like MH World where they sell MTX (mostly cosmetics) but they give free content updates regularly? Use of MTX in cases like these are usually what allows them to give us free content in the first place. The alternative is to go back to the early 2000's where there was no such thing as free content updates in games. Every single map pack, new game mode, character, or expansion required to be purchased. But that came at its own cost. It meant that more and more of the community would be fragmented as more and more people stopped buying the new content.
There's a huge benefit to making all content updates free, as there's a stronger connection with the community and i's overall more healthier for a game's lifespan and player engagement. But if they are going to give us free content, they have to be supplemented in some way for their work. And that typically means MTX. It's hard to decide which is better.
Gamedev is fun because it's hard
I will say with Overwatch 2 people forget its the 4th most played game in the world right now, 5th probably as we do not have data on Roblox. My hope is that another company within Xbox now will take up a Overwatch single player game.
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't
If DD2 released without its terrible performance issues the MTX thing wouldn't have been that bad, the issue was that it had the MTX on top of a horrible performance that made many people not want to buy the game in the first place
The performance of dragons dogma 2 is what people need to be angry about. You basically cant even walk in to cities on console
What r u talking about r u play on series s?
@@hcsanitymw The framerate drops in to the 20s on series x and ps5 in cities. It's a jittery mess on ps5 no matter what your doing because the framerate is constant spiking between the low 30s and 40s
JP, 90s wasn't 20 years ago...
Big issue for any AI implementation, is that do they just use AI voice actors to voice it all? I remember somebody made a female Gale voice mod for BG3, and it just felt soulless, without any of the charm or performance of the original VA.
Okay the zekepass was a joke but I feel like a gamepass that would work per content creator so you can play the same games as them would actually be unique enough to carve some of the subscription game market.
Maybe steam should make it a feature 😂
For me, yes, the DD2 mtx are “benign” but it’s all the stuff surrounding that that adds to the real problem.
NO new game start. You can buy a character edit for $3, but you can never restart from zero. This innately funnels you into the mtx store. Same for the pawn behavior editor, no new start funnels you into the mtx store.
Then, it’s a fully 100% single player game and it has denuvo… known for wrecking performance… why have it, if not to funnel people into mtx and protect the mtx store?
Then Cohh, you make a GREAT point… the mtx messes up progression. It is a system that innately hurts players by design…
To me the Dragon Dogma 2 situation is crystal clear: I will never buy a full priced game with mtx. The existence of mtx 100% means the game is tainted.
I stuck to this principle for 20 or so years and it has never actually been an issue, because 99% of the time the games with mtx suck major dick. Dragon's Dogma 2 could be one of few rare exceptions and the game might actually be good, but I won't be giving them my money. Fuck them.
99% of the time games with MTX suck? I don't know about that. I mean just looking at Capcom games alone, they have been killing with all their games (except maybe RE3 Remake and Exoprimal) since 2018 and they all have MTX, that are even worse than DD2's in all honesty. MTX usually isn't the sign of a bad game, though I wish that were the case, as it would make avoiding MTX that much easier. To be honest there are a ton of top tier games with MTX and it's unfortunate.
38:05 Watching from Europe, the fatalistic pov of americans like yourselves on the layoffs in the game industry is a bit fascinating ( and sad).
????
Europeans think it's shitty too. It's not just affecting US based devs.
@@BryanThePirate You may have misunderstood me. It's the fatalist point of view (that's how it is, we can't do anything about it ...) that amazes me.
(And most of these lays off are not legal in Europe)
Unfortunately our politicians are so worried about demonizing everything the other party does that even things that would benefit everyone gets stomped out.
I think you are misrepresenting the cause of outrage for Dragon's Dogma 2 microtransactions. The real issue is not the items that are obtainable in the game. It is them limiting players to a single character and preventing them from making a new one in-game (you can only do it by disabling cloud saves and deleting save files) and using the inconvenience to goad players into buying their paid dlc that lets you edit your character.
You can now start a new game, and if you're saying it was to goad players into buying the art of metamorphosis, that's just plain wrong because you can buy it like 2 hours into the game with currency that they practically throw at you.
Cohh doesnt know this but all the microtransactions are trash.
Literally worthless.
You dont need a port crystal early game.
Its too expensive to teleport often early game as well.
Every city and town are conmected by ox carts or have port crystals already built into them.
You can reach nearly everywhere vy just using ox carts by teleporting to the main city.
Its all trash. Wakestones? Just dont waste them on yourself unless you for some reason NEED to survive an encounter.
Rc? Using overleveled pawns lowers your xp gain and will taint your experience.
Youll make enough rc if you just make a good enough pawn with a good pawn quest reward.
Cohh talking about the ai is awesome, can’t wait for even more layoffs. Soulless games let’s goooo
I mean... most games are soulless now.
How does what cohh talked about imply layoffs or soulless games?
@@Mauvias92 games as a whole can take a huge amount of money and investment to the point that standard sales won't be enough to break even ( even Hollywood is hitting this ). The majority of those costs goes to employees who do said things like rigging a character making said animations and tweaks. It's also why you are seeing more games add MTX and/or go to the "live service" model.
people like to point to the AI VAs and that issue but that also applies to the other sections of the industry.
it's a give and take situation ATM. On one hand having the tech do continue making high quality products faster/cheaper is great. You also don't need to higher on as many people to do the same work.
You sound like someone who doesn't know anything about AI.
@mysticdryad2069 yea I know that, but what cohh was talking about to me seemed like they were looking for ways to shorten the time it takes for people to do the rigging and such, not that the ai was going to take over those jobs completely
for as technologically advanced Japan (seemingly )is, their video games run on some dogshit tech.
Interesting that Cohh complains about D4's purely cosmetic shop anytime he gets but does not seem to care much about Dragon Dogma's 2 and Infinite Wealths microtransactions that you can literally buy stuff that actually helps you in game. Also no wonder that microtransactions get more prerelevant in games. 3 games came out the same day. Dragon Dogma 2, Rise of the Ronin and Horizon Forbidden West (PC). People flocked over so much to the only one of the 3 with microtransactions.
Why are studios still up in their feelings about why they can't make Baldur's Gate 3? OK, you know what? Don't make that game. You know what else? That game was already made so wringing your hands about that game is pointless. Go do something else. But probably don't go calling it Baldur's Gate because the bar is now yea high.
Dragon's Dogma "monetization" should have been free in game cheats. It doesn't matter that it is "benign", at the end of the day they created a problem and are selling it as a solution, as if it costs them anything to give you that fix
the microtransaction does affect your game, they made the game where NPC can die, guess what happens when the dragon kills an entire town, and you start using your wake stone to revive them, but you are short a few wake stones.
OH yeah, you can buy them for a few dollars, so you start buying wake stones
guess what, that changes your game due to the Microtransactions, and that was their goal all along.
You don't get enough just playing where you can start using it when you can, I have played 20 hours, and I have 5, I have died a few times, and decided to just use my saves instead of wake stones just incase I need it. But imagine the whole town getting destroyed, and you only have 5, people's first thoughts are to buy them. They could have easily make it easier to get wake stone in the game, but they don't, because that is where they will get the most money from the MTX.
That is what sucks, where they can so easily lower the drop rates of an item just to inflate the importance of an item to force you to buy them.
Sure you can decide not to save anyone, but remember you only have 1 save file, you can't even restart your game, so good luck playing a game where a good chunk of the game is erased due to dead NPC that you don't even know if its important or not.
its not just that, 10k for a jail key, 10k for hair cuts, fast travel points or just pay 1.99 for everything. All these were made "harder" so whales will buy it.
@@peddieboyyI also find it interesting all the content creators don't see the problem with Rift Crystals. Sure, it existed in DD 1 and they don't really have much of a purpose right now; but seeing content creators say "it's no big deal I have 40k of them!" is disingenuous when other players maybe get 2000 in a 30 hour playthrough.
ignoring all the issues....is the really one of the best RPGs ever made? Cohh??
1.) Combat is so easy, you can do it blindfolded.
2.) Exploration is mid. it's fun for the 1st 10 hours and then gets super boring and cumbersome.
3.) Story is mid
4.) Side quests are mid
5.) Graphics are inconsistent.
6.) Sound design is.....not even noticeable?
I dunno, I liked it more than Starfield.
There's some interesting sidequests, but then they're as vague as say Elden Ring NPCs. For instance I found out the church was poisoning the homeless and it involves a series of quests before you can get the culprit arrested. Only thing that drove me insane was the last part when you're supposed to just go up to the person and grab them which leads to a unique cutscene.
It's not even close to being called as one of the best man.
Time will pass and people will realise it.
You dunna what you're talking about pissboy
I was very hesitated to play DD2, but now i will never play it, ever. Keep accepting this BS and u will see where it will leave u... Nobody learns anything in this shitty world ;/
So disappointing that Cohh is working with A16Z who actively is investing in AI to replace developers. Traitor to all of us in the industry.
Eehhhhh don't know bout that
@@Charbizard1lookup Andreessen Horowitz’s portfolio companies. It’s right there.
Yeah we should just bury our heads in the sand because jobs
🤔🤔🤔🤔
why do they keep pretending literally infinite fast travel, infinite revives, get out of jail free cards, and unlimited RC would not affect gameplay or impact it? its egregious, just because you can ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist doesn't make it OK. go play the game after buying the microtransactions and try to say its negligible , its not, its very obviously a massive impact on the game
Someone hasn't played the game and it shows.
Half the time when you die you respawn right outside the fight you died on, you don't get the fast travel currency from mtx, you literally get given jail keys like candy and rc is rained down on you like it's fucking literal rain lol none of the mtx matters, it shouldn't be there and it's dumb but it's not actively harming anyone playing the game to play the game
@@RubysWrathyou havent answered the question
Dude the mtx are hardly must items they are there for ppl who wanna cheese and fast forward everything which ultimately ruins the experience you are never in a position where you face a brick wall and a staring down the barrel of mtx. I can't imagine many ppl brought these at all
Aside from that you have to play the game to understand how optional these mtx really are but instead you won't and rather treat misinformed information as gospel
@@kayneg9941so you aren't going to answer the question?
I haven't played DD2 yet but if it's like the first game there's a few things:
You can sit your pawns down in a pub and basically tell them they talk too much and stfu lol
If you make your character bigger and brawnier you could carry more and cross deeper water.
I haven't seen a seat to tell pawns to quiet, as far as I'm aware its' locked behind an inclination you can buy.
You can still carry more, but everything seems heftier and you have a collectable in the world for like a .15kg perma upgrade.
funny i have only use my psvr2 for 30min or so and i have it since launch
I should look back at Deus Ex Mankind Divided when that was getting criticism for the monetization to see if Cohh has the same stance.
Also interesting to see with all the dislikes, Capcom went and made the metamorphosis books more available in-game instead of the limit of 2.