I'm also a big fan of your content. I especially appreciate your testimony and how you stand up for what the Bible says- in general, and specifically when it comes to who Jesus is. BTW, you came to Israel (where I live) I wish I could have met you.
Great video! What can be frustrating is the avowed Trinitarian has a perceived logical trump card to arguments like - God cannot be tempted or God cannot die by saying God the Father can't, but in the person of the son where was fully man he could. I'm not sure there is a good counter when one is so convinced. Keep up the great content, these videos have been helpful resources in reasoning together with someone.
Yes, it *_can_* be "frustrating," but only if we cling to an immediate outcome. *_Plant good seeds._* Among them, I would suggest to plant the seed of *_humility,_* for none of us in Omniscient; therefore ALL of us have more to learn. When a person achieves certainty on *_anything,_* they stop looking. That hubris is what brought down the Tower of Babel and prevented any who clung to it from performing miracles. The only certainty we should have is not in our own knowledge, but in God's *_Knowledge and Power._* When we aim humility and confidence properly, we have the ingredients of *_Faith_* -- not "belief" in the modern sense, but in the sense which Christ used for moving mountains, walking on water, parting the sea, and healing the sick. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
I SO APPRECIATE the way you teach so clearly, simply and logically! This is a very important topic for us to understand correctly. Thank you and God bless!
I, as a Transylvanian Unitarian, I am so happy that I found this channel, and that the true Unitarian tradition is still alive in the West. For long time I thought that only Universalist "Unitarians" exist, who long time ago, chose to break away from Unitarianism and Christianity, and keep it only as part of their name. When I see that our theology students go to learn in America at the Universalists, makes me sad because this do not helps them to learn, but to go astray. Instead of this, they should make contacts with you, because you are the real Unitarians besides us. And of course, we, the Transylvanian Unitarians, who trace back our faith to 1568, to the Decree of Religious Freedom of Torda, should receive the Biblical Unitarian students from the West, to strenghten our contacts. God Bless You!
The Greek word worship can mean different things depending on the context. Peter was worshped by Cornelius. These mean, to show honour and respect. When sacred service is involved, then only Jehovah should get that worship. Matthew 4:10
@@RefutingUnitarians :(Acts 10:25, 26) As Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet, and did obeisance to him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I too am just a man.” Jesus' illustration of the King and the slave. Matthew 18:26 KJV The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. LEB Then the slave threw himself to the ground and began to do obeisance to him, saying, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay back everything to you!’ The Greek word proskuneō is translated in various ways when applied to humans. Similar to love. Does love for God and love for neighbour mean the same type of love?
@@RefutingUnitarians Yes, I've noticed that and other cases (eg. in Revelation 22:9) where the word seems to go "out of its way" to make this point: in God's current economy, there are many powerful servants whether they be angelic, or anointed humans, to whom we may be tempted to bow in worship (as would be lawful). Yet- we are told that we should give that honor only to God, and apparently to Jesus as well. I don't think it "makes" Jesu God, rather it manifests the glory that God has given him, ABOVE the angels, and above every other king and lord.
@@jonorisin73 I didn't find anything that states that this type of worship that cornelius gave to Peter is only for God? I mean, think about it, cornelius was a man revered by Jews, how could such a man not know that worshipping a man (Peter was seen as a man only, nothing indicates he was seen as a deity) is blasphemous? It's worth noting that it was shown to emphasise that this worship is reserved for people of great honor (not necessarily God Almighty) and Peter denied being someone great and replied by saying "I am only a man" which is just him saying that he isn't anyone very great. This actually proves that this worship can be given to great men other than God just like how cornelius was going to give it to Peter who he saw as a great man (How can anyone think Peter is a deity, especially cornelius who was loved by Jews?) Except that Peter rejected being a great man.
Scriptural passages written to explain who the one true God IS are plain and very clear unless one is bent to corrupt the pure word of God. Let us be humble and revere the word of God. Trinity, the concept of tribune God (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit) is based on passages that are NOT meant to explain who the one true God is. There is one true God, the originator of everything worthy to be worshipped, i.e., God the Father.
If we’re going to reference James 1:13, we need to be sure to reference the entire verse, as well as to look at it in context. The verse says that God cannot be tempted “by evil”, not that he can’t be tempted in general. To understand the context of what James is talking about, we need to look at the next verse, v14 “But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.” In Matthew 4:8-10, Jesus is being tempted by an external celestial being (Satan / the adversary), not by his own lust. We also need to look at the context of Hebrews 8:5, as it does not referring to serving men. We see immediately before it in verse 4 that the priests are offering gifts according to the Law - they are offering these gifts to God, not to men. The book of Sirach is not universally accepted as canon, so we should take the entire book with a grain of salt. But if we do accept it, we should note that the Hebrew concept of Wisdom closely aligns with the Greek idea of “logos” (from which we get our English word “logical”). In light of this, this verse would be consistent with John 1:1, and as it would therefore indeed be God being served. While it’s true that Jesus is not “served” (“latreuo”) in the Gospels, we should note that in Revelation 22:3-4, the throne of God and the Lamb is singular, and it says that “His bond-servants will serve (“latreuo”) him. So, whose bond-servants exactly? Verse 6 says the Lord, the God (“theos”) of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show “His bond-servants,” and we see again in verse 16, very plainly, “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches.” So, based on the text, not only is Jesus being referred to as "theos", but the bond-servants being referenced almost certainly belong to Jesus. This is also consistent with the rest of scripture where Paul (Rom. 1:1, Gal. 1:10, Phil. 1:1), Peter (1 Peter 2:1), James (James 1:1), and Jude (Jude 1:1) all refer to themselves as bond-servants of Jesus Christ. While it's true that "latreuo" can be used in extrabiblical context to refer to forms of slavery, we don't have a use of "latreuo" in the Bible itself other than what should be rendered to God.
Thanks for your comment. Sorry, I do not have time to respond to all of your comment however, I will respond to as much as I can. You said, "While it's true that "latreuo" can be used in extrabiblical context to refer to forms of slavery, we don't have a use of "latreuo" in the Bible itself other than what should be rendered to God." Okay, so, BDAG and LSJ and others say that "latreuo" can be used in other ways besides rendering cultic service to a God, but you are saying that it can only be used in rendering cultic service to a God. I understand that most often that is what "latreuo" means in both the new and old Testaments, however, when you have many other examples of it meaning other things, you can no longer make the argument that it only is used in reference to a deity. You have to go against the lexicons to argue this. Secondly, I actually think Revelation 22:6 provides evidence for identifying who is being "latreuo-ed" in Revelation 22:3. It says "his servants" (οἱ δοῦλοι, same as Rev. 22:3), yet the subject is "the Lord, the God of the prophets," which is the Father, because the author of Revelation sees Jesus and God as separate individuals throughout (Rev. 1:1; 1:6; 21:22; 22:1). Also, in Revelation 7:15, they are before the throne of GOD and they serve (latreuo) him. There the referrent is unambiguous. Thus, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the phrase "his servants" is in reference to the God the Father in Revelation 22:3. You reference Revelation 22:6, yet, just because Jesus sent his angel (Rev. 22:16) and God sent his angel (Rev. 22:6) that does not make Jesus into God. Both of them could rightly send the angel. Both of their names are written on the foreheads of the 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. So, you could not say, since Jesus' name is written on their foreheads and God's name is written on their foreheads that Jesus is God. No, both of their names are written on their foreheads. The author of Revelation consistently sees Jesus and God as separate persons (Rev. 1:1; 1:6; 21:22; 22:1), so that is a mistake to assume that they both do something, therefore they are the same person. You seem like you are trying to view things fairly, but I think you are failing to see the weaknesses of the argument you are ultimately making. You are saying (against the lexicons) that being "latreuo-ed" makes one a God, and that Jesus is "latreuo-ed" in Rev. 22:3 which is not clear by any means (God could very well be the one being "latreuo-ed"), and therefore Jesus is God. Even though all throughout Revelation God is someone different from the lamb (Rev. 1:1; 1:6; 21:22; 22:1).
@@biblicalunitarian Thanks for your reply -- I always appreciate your willingness to engage in the comments. So, while it's true that the lexicon authors note other potential uses of "latreuo", my point is that we don't have another NT example of "latreuo" being used besides rendering service that should be rendered to God. So, while I would agree with you that something or someone being properly "latreuo"-ed doesn't outright make them "God," it's important not to just gloss over the commandment that we should "latreuo" God only and automatically assume it's only certain types of "latreuo" that we should give only to God. In other words, the biblical use of "latreuo" is just one of many factors that should be weighed when considering whether or not Jesus is God. Your interpretation of Rev. 22:6 only works if we start with the assumption that Jesus can't be God. I recognize that "only the Father is God" is a core tenet of the Unitarian doctrine to make sense of (using human logic) the one-ness of God, but there are a considerable amount of verses in the NT pointing to Jesus being God. Since Jesus is also called "kyrios" in many NT verses, and is highly likely called "theos" in several other verses, we shouldn't be so quick to assume Rev. 22:6 verse is a reference to the Father only. But, for the sake of argument, let's say Rev. 22:6 verse is referring to the Father. Immediately after in verse 7, Jesus is the one speaking through the angel, and then Jesus explicitly says He sent the angel in v16. So, you are saying that the Father sent the angel, and then a few verses later Jesus says He is the one sent the angel. But, if they are, as you mentioned, totally separate beings, it doesn't make any sense for them both to send the angel. Furthermore, Jesus doesn't say He "also" sent the angel along with God -- He says He sent the angel. Respectfully, I understand why the Unitarian perspective needs the Father to be the one to send the angel, too, because if He didn't, then it's yet another example of Jesus being called God. However, this doesn't make any sense from the textual standpoint.
It's true that God cannot be tempted by evil, and that he can be tempted as in he can be put to the test, that is, he can have his patience tried.... Yet Jesus was a human who had the same temptable nature as the rest of us. He was tempted in all ways that we are, except he was without sin. Temptation is not sin. It was not a sin for Jesus to be tempted. It would have been sin if he would've yielded to temptation. Jesus had normal internal human desires, yet he denied those and chose to obey God's will. To claim he only faced "external" temptation and that he didn't have real human appetites that would cause that which was forbidden to him to still appeal to his flesh is just nonsense. Be that as it may, he denied his flesh and never sinned. He was resolute in his denial of that which was forbidden to him, but that doesn't mean he didn't feel the pull of temptation. The pull that God, who is not of flesh, does not feel.
Hi@@LoveAndLiberty02 Thanks for your reply! This is why context is important. James does not say we are tempted by our physical flesh, but the temptation he is talking about is from our lusts which dwell within our sinful nature that we inherit from Adam. This is what Paul also talks about in Romans 5. Since Jesus does not share Adam's seed because He came via the seed of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was not born a sinner in the same way as we are. Thus, He couldn't be tempted by His sinful nature because there was no sin Him. But, as the author of Hebrews notes, Jesus took on flesh and became a man and experienced all the other weaknesses, limitations, struggles, and temptations that come with being in the flesh, yet without sin.
I think you are mistaken. Our flesh is what gives us the capacity for temptation, though choices and habits can strengthen temptation. I stand by my assertion above. In short, I reject your Augustinian proposal as erroneous. Good day.
@@biblicalunitarian I readed it , but there is not a clear response why , its just make up some theory , but if u have a simple direct way to answer i will be glad to hear it , thanks for u work , God bless u all !
You always do a good job of showing that Jesus is the Son of God. I have a question. How do you sort out the character of God? Is He in control of everything? Is He a covenant-keeping God? Did the Son of God fully reveal his Father?
Personally, I take more of an Open Theist view of God being "in control." Yes, he is a covenant keeping God. Jesus revealed the Father, did he FULLY reveal, well no, because firstly, that's impossible, secondly, we don't even have all of Jesus' words if he did fully reveal the Father.
Also, the worship the Father is to receive, is by the power of His Spirit in us. "those who worship Him, must worship Him in Spirit and in truth" as Jesus said to the samaritan woman, so, to bend our knee or sing at a gathering to God does not necessarily mean that this is what God is expecting from us as a form of worship, that worship He is looking for is spiritual worship from our spirt. Jesus can be shown honor as when the Scripture says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord, but this does not mean Jesus is the Almighty or the Creator of all as the Father who is Spirit is.
Which translation of the Bible would you recommend? I have the KJV but we know it has error,they probably all do but I would like your opinion please.Thank you for this video
Hello. In Daniel 7:14 Jesus is “served” / recieves “latreuo”. How would you explain this when Jesus himself is saying that Only the father must be rendered service / latreuo? (Not a trini)
Thanks for your comment! Overall, I would just say, it seems that there are exceptions, as I mentioned in the video, where things/people other than God receive latreuo, especially in Greek literature. Thus, it doesn't make one God. Plus some versions of the Greek Septuagint use "douleuw" instead of "latreuo", so I really think those are some shaky foundations to then base an idea like, "Jesus just is God" off of.
This is a good explanation. However, it could be added that the old English word 'worship' had a much broader range of meaning. Indeed, since most translations render proskuneo with phrases such as 'bow down'; show honour; do obeisance etc with reference to other people in the Bible, the fact that the word 'worship is used with reference to Jesus simply reveals the preconeived ideas and bias of the translators. Scholar James Dunn even has a book showing that there is no real evidence that Jesus was actually 'worshipoped' (as God).
Mat 2:11 kjv And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Christian disagree on this verse and have textual differences textual variant for this verse The Greek word used to worship God is different than the word used to worship Jesus . Worship God in Greek is Lat-ryoo-o under G3000 strong’s Hebrew and English Dictionaries The Greek word used in Matt 2:11and in all verses say worship Jesus is (proskuneo G4352) which means homage that means BOW DOWN on the face as sign or respect according to ( strong’s Hebrew and English Dictionaries. Many versions translate it as homage BOW DOWN on the face as sign or respect not worship such as CEB said Falling to their knees, they honored him and DARBY said falling down did him homage and DLNT said fallen-down, they paid homage to Him and NABRE said They prostrated themselves and did him homage and NCB said Falling to their knees, they paid him homage and NRSVA said they knelt down and paid him homage and NRSVACE said knelt down and paid him homage and NRSVCE said knelt down and paid him homage and NRSVUE said knelt down and paid him homage . worship means according to English Dictionary Oxford and Webster dictionary and the bible Strong Hebrew and Greek dictionary means BOW DOWN on the face as sign of respect and honor . The Britannica Dictionary one of the meaning to love or honor (someone or something) very much or too much also means to honor or respect (someone or something) as a god (a god small letter g like God told Moses in Exod 7:1 I have made thee a god to Pharaoh. The Cambridge Dictionary means to have or show strong feeling of respect and admiration for God or a god (a god small letter g like God told Moses in Exod 7:1 I have made thee a god to Pharaoh also means to love, respect, and admire someone or something very much, often without noticing the bad qualities of that person or thing. The Marriam Webster Dictionary means extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem like saying he worship Dollar . The Collins English Dictionary worship verb If you worship someone or something, you love them or admire them very much like saying They worship James Brown, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix. You can see many who BOW DOWN in the bible like people BOW DOWN to Jesus DOES THAT MAKES THEM GOD ? Gen 23:7 And Abraham stood up, and (bowed himself) to the people of the land, even to the children of Heth. Gen 33:3~7 Jacob his wife and his Children BOW DOWN to Esau Gen 24:6 & Gen 43:26~28 Josephs brethren BOW DOWN themselves before him Gen 48:12 Joseph BOWED DOWN to his father Exo 18:7 Moses BOWED DOWN to his father in law 1 Samuel 24:8~9 David BOWED DOWN to Saul 1 Samuel 25:23~24 Abigail BOWED DOWN to David 1 king 1:16 Bathsheba BOWED DOWN to king David. 1 king 1 :22~23 Nathan the Prophet BOWED DOWN to David. 2 king 2:15 the sons of the prophets BOWED DOWN to Elijah
But will the trinis not just say “don’t you latreuo / serve Jesus”. What would your’ response to this be? I would say that when we serve Jesus we serve the father through Jesus.
It would be, "Yes, I serve Jesus." But if they are asking, "Are you serving Jesus as if he is the one True God, or offering sacrifices to him (latreuo is used like this often especially in OT)?" Then I would say no. Thanks!
Why in all four Gospels would the writers use Isaiah 40:3 to announce Jesus Christ? If you look at the hebrew of Isaiah 40:3 it says 'prepare the way for YHWH'. John the Baptist was telling people Jesus Christ is God. Can any unitarian refute this?
They are just taking what is used for LORD and implementing it on Jesus, that doesn't make Jesus God, but in fact shows him to be doing things on behalf of God. For example, LORD is the one who gave torah to the jewish people but moses somewhere else is called "The Lawgiver" does that mean moses and LORD are the same being? It is just that the agent of God is doing what God will do, and that is what agents of God are, they do the things God wants to do. How many times has Jesus said: "Not my own will, but the will of the one who sent me" and many things of such? In exodus, the angel of the LORD calls himself "God of abraham, Isaac, jacob" very explicitly, but later we find out that it is because the angel has the name of the LORD in him and is a separate being from God.
John the Baptist is not making the way for an 'agent of God' that is not what the scripture says. He is making the way for the LORD. He is making the way for the ministry of Jesus Christ.
@@ant4186 Firstly, around the greek time being called "son of God" would mean to be a representative ruler that is directly linked with God. The very fact that the beginning of the verse goes something like "The good news of the son of God" is a way to demonstrate that the author has had taken inspiration from his surroundings as this exact same phrase was used on caesar. I think this is where we can understand where the author draws the line between the representative AND the actual thing, by repeatedly calling Jesus as the son of God, he is demonstrating to his audience at the time that Jesus is the representative of God. Then, many times Jesus had distinguished himself from God too. In Mark 2 we see Jesus replying to the men who accused him of blasphemy by saying: "I want YOU to KNOW that the SON OF MAN has the authority on earth to forgive sins." He didn't affirm their claim that he was God and that who else could it be? But instead he shows him to be someone else who can forgive sins as well.
Alot if trinitarians and people that say Jesus is God, say that Jesus said truly i say to you before Abraham, I Am,and thats the The title God gave himself that why Jesus is God .when i read that verse I take it as Jesus is Saying i was before Abraham..I believe Jesus was in heaven sent by God to earth.. does anyone out there have any other explanations why Jesus said I AM?
I really don’t see the problem. To worship the son is to worship the father. To serve the son is to serve the father. We worship the son because he died on the cross and because God the father commands us to. He finds joy in it. We worship the father because he is the most high and the one creating everything. When we worship the son the worship goes through him an ultimately to the father. Part of worshipping the father only is to listening to his commands. And he command us to worship his son. When Jesus comes back I won’t be giving him a high five saying “good job and good to see you”. I will fall to my face, surrendering to him and i will be worshipping him. Just like I am now. Fully aware that the father alone is the most high and only true God. 8:56
No! The Greek word is Proskoni and means to bow down, to prostrate or kiss the hand. People in the Bible were given proskoni but that does not make them god too ! So it depends WHO you give it to and fkr WHAT reason. Regards your friendly JW
But Jesus is receiving latreuo in heaven at the right hand of the Father. All of creation is giving Jesus latreuo. Latreuo belongs to God and God alone.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha Jeremiah 30:9 states that we should "serve" God AND David. Even though this is hebrew, the word is "abedu" which is the greek equivalent of "Latreuo" Does that mean david is God as well?
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha This verse also blows my mind. If Jesus was GIVEN anything ( Authority of heaven and earth ), Then he wasn't God to begin with. Jesus was handed over authority by God the father. But then a bigger question arises... Then what's God doing now that Jesus is running the show? Maybe this "Authority " is in reference to the idea that he does have control but it can be ratified. It reminds me of my previous employment where I was a company plant director but the company owner still had the final say
*_Big problem taking ANY verse literally!_* While some verses CAN be taken literally and remain true, some cannot. We need to rest in the *_Faith_* that *_TRUTH_* is behind the verse, but that what we mortals "see" is merely the finger pointing toward *_TRUTH._* Leviticus tells us that drinking blood is forbidden. And yet, Christ told his followers to drink his blood. Yet, it wasn't literal "blood," just as Adam eating the Forbidden Fruit was not literal fruit. In the same fashion that Spirit Adam consumed the *_product_* or output of the Dichotomous Matrix of Knowledge (good-evil, action-reaction), we must consume the *_spiritual blood_* (sacrifice) of Christ to find ourselves part of the Body of Christ -- the rebuilt (purified) New Adam. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
Not to play Devil’s advocate here, but I think their general reasoning is more that Jesus didn’t correct him for worshipping him and calling him “my God.” There are still other problems with that line of false reasoning, including but not limited to the fact that Jesus always directed worship to the Father and never to himself, which he should have rightly done if he were God. One example of being worshipped and called “my God!” is simply not sufficient to predicate the argument upon. Also God worships none and is slave to none. But Jesus worshipped and prayed to the Father. He is also the way to the Father for us. Why would he need to be a way to one aspect of a godhead if he were already God himself? By all accounts, it makes no logical sense. The scriptures make it clear that neither is the Son or the Holy Spirit God Almighty. Edit: Sorry, I see you’ve addressed this in the last part of your video. Well done.
”Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.“ Philippians 2:5-11 ESV
@@marktravis5162Where is he called God? He’s called God’s Son. Not God. Not God the Son. He’s called God’s Son. He says he had a beginning. God did not have a beginning.
@@saiyajinlivesIt’s convenient how Trinitarians ignore this passage too, huh? If equality were a thing to be grasped at for him, then that shows that Jesus never had equality with God and never desired it.
Scriptural passages written to explain who the one true God IS are plain and very clear unless one is bent to corrupt the pure word of God. Let us be humble and revere the word of God. Trinity, the concept of tribune God (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit) is based on passages that are NOT meant to explain who the one true God is. There is one true God, the originator of everything worthy to be worshipped, i.e., God the Father.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha ....when we honor the Messiah we honor God. Not that Jesus IS God. Jesus is a man and he has a God, John 20:17 and God does not have a God. Jesus is lesser than his God, John 14:28 / 1 Corinthians 11:3 The man Jesus told us in a simple and clear manner that his God and Father is the ONLY ONE that is true God, John 17:3 There is no contradictions in God's word, God-breathed as it is.
@@bosse641 Jesus never said the Father is the only one who is God. You are a liar. John 17:3 said the Father is the only true God. It didn't say the Father is the only ONE who is God. We don't teach there is another God the Father anyways. Jesus is the son, not the father.
Revelation 4:8 8 And the four beasts had each one of them six wings about him, and they were full of eyes within, and they ceased not day nor night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, Which was, and which is, and which is to come
We worship (pay respect to, bow down to) the Father, YHVH, as our God and Creator. We worship (pay respect to, bow down to) the Messiah as our appointed King of the Kingdom of YHVH, someone above us in status/power/authority. That's what proskuneō means. So, when Messiah's disciples bow down to him, they do not worship him as their God, they are paying respect to him as the Promised/Prophesied King of Israel that they have been waiting for who is finally right in front of them. The disciples and even the Pharisees were seeking for the Promised King as prophesied in the Old Testament to unite the broken Kingdom of Israel, none of them were seeking for a God. They all know who that God is because they all were taught the Law that was given to Moses. The only problem with these Pharisees or most Jews in Judea before is that even though they have the Law of Moses, those Law are actually not in their heart to obey them and are being hypocrites. Christianity on the otherhand, do not know who their God/Creator is because of their rejection of the Law/Commandments and Promises/Testimony/Plan of YHVH in the Prophets. Instead they follow a Babylonian doctrine of the Trinity and Incarnation which are opposed to or are against YHVH's Law and Testimony. They do not have the foundation of The Law and the Promises/Testimony of YHVH in the Prophets to understand that Messiah is not our God but someone who is a servant of God who was sent first as our High Priest or proxy Shepherd to fetch and lead/guide the Lost Sheep into the Kingdom of YHVH. Everyone is cut off from YHVH. If Messiah do not accomplish his mission to have people's sin forgiven by YHVH then there will be no Kingdom and Messiah is King of no one. So, before Messiah could rule in the Kingdom given to him by YHVH, he must first help his brothers and sisters! Then later, at his "return", he will gather them all together and unite the Kingdom of Israel into one. Messiah's teachings and example of obedience to YHVH is our guide, which he calls The Way. It's why he said to follow him. To worship Messiah as your God or to believe in the Trinity and Incarnation is NOT The Way because he never taught those things and never made an example of doing/preaching those things. He did not do the sign of the cross, for example, which is the sign of the Trinity. Christianity, Judaism and even the Hebrew Roots do not even listen to him but walk their own ways which is not The Way. That is the problem! If you do not reject the Law of YHVH then Messiah will lead you to walk The Way which is a spiritual understanding or a renewal of your mind on how to actually practice the Law/Commandments of YHVH or in other words how to walk with a Circumcised Heart which is The Sign of the Covenant under Messiah per Jeremiah 31:33. In most Christian's case, the first 5 of the Commandments need to be restored in their hearts and learn that there is a hierarchy as laid out in the Prophets. YHVH is above all as our only God and Creator then Messiah under Him as our King and High Priest then everyone else below Messiah. There is more but people (Christianity especially) need to start with these.
@@shanebell2514 YHVH raised Messiah from the dead. Acts 4:10 [10] ...You nailed Yahusha to the stake, but God (YHVH) raised him from death... Romans 8:11 [11] And if the Spirit of Him (YHVH) who raised Messiah from the dead is living in you, He (YHVH) who raised Messiah from the dead will ALSO give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit which lives in you. YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one and only true God Messiah proclaimed in John 17:3 whom he calls his Father because YHVH is our Creator, the only one who gives life, who can take away life and grant anyone eternal life. Messiah could not save himself from death because he isnt God. He has no power to resurrect himself or anyone from the dead. Hebrews 5:7 [7] During the days of Messiah's life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears TO THE ONE (YHVH) WHO COULD SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (not because he was a sinless God). If Messiah was crying and praying to YHVH to save him from death, then people should be doing the same thing INSTEAD of worshipping Messiah. He is not a God. He does not have the power to save you from death. The only way Messiah can save us is if we follow in his teachings and example of obedience to YHVH. That's why he is called our savior not because he is the one doing the actual saving but because he leads us to salvation. It's why he is our High Priest or the appointed Shepherd of the sheep. A High Priests job is to teach others how to walk The Way of Righteousness to have our sins forgive just as his sins was forgiven (Zachariah 3) and be our example or role model to follow. First you learn The Letter of the Law (The Ten Commandments, the Feasts Days and other instructions from YHVH) then you go to Messiah to learn how to actually practice these Laws (ex in Matthew 5). The Letter is just the beginning or the "milk" as Paul preached in his writings. The "meat" is the spiritual aspect of The Letter. John 8:12 [12] “I am the light of the world (our guide, a lamp that lights our path, the Shepherd of the sheep, our mediator). Whoever follows me (his teachings and example) will never live in darkness (in ignorance or in lies). They will have the light (the lamp, the truth, the knowledge from YHVH) that gives life (that leads to salvation).” Psalms 119:105 [105] Your Word (YHVH's Plan of Salvation, if you learn this and walk it like Messiah did) is like a lamp that guides my steps, a light that shows the path I should take. YHVH taught Messiah His Word and commanded him to teach it to his brothers and sisters: Deuteronomy 18:18-19 [18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you (like Moses, a man NOT a God) from among their fellow Israelites (their brother), and I will put My Words in his mouth. He will tell (teach) them everything I command him (regarding how to walk The Way). [19] I (YHVH) myself will call to account (judge) anyone who DOES NOT LISTEN to My Words that the prophet speaks in My Name (under His authority). This is why Messiah said he will raise you up because he was given authority that whoever follows him YHVH guarantees He will raise them up from the dead just as He did Messiah, NOT that Messiah is actually the one doing the raising. John 6:44-45 [44] The Father (YHVH) is the one who sent me (to preach The Plan of Salvation, to walk The Way which he also walked), and He (YHVH) is the one who brings people to me (to learn and walk The Way). I will raise them up on the last day (if they follow him). Anyone the Father does not bring to me cannot come to me (to learn and walk The Way). [45] It is written in the prophets: ‘God (YHVH) will teach them all.’ People listen to the Father and learn from Him (first). (Then after,) They are the ones who come to me (to learn how to actually practice YHVH's Law). Acts 2:38-39 [38] Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives (have YHVH's Law be written in your heart or walk with a Circumcised Heart for YHVH's Laws like Messiah did, it's how he lived his life and we should pattern ours the same he did) and be baptized, each one of you, in the (Covenant) under Yahusha Messiah's name (not under The Mosaic Covenant). THEN God (YHVH) will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (this is Grace!). [39] THIS PROMISE IS FOR YOU (for those who follow in the teachings and example of Messiah who is our role model, our Shepherd. To believe is to obey/follow!). It is also for your children (if you teach them the same way) and for the people who are far away. It is for everyone YHVH our God calls to Himself.”
@@JSalt00 John 2:19-21 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body."
@@shanebell2514 he did not resurrect himself. Why else would he cry out to YHVH to save him from death? Its quite a contradiction. YHVH is not the author of confusion. Messiah walked The Way that YHVH taught him and his sins was forgiven by YHVH then when his flesh died, he was resurrected by YHVH. That's what those verses I quoted tells us. That's the authority given to Messiah. So, if you follow him it's as if Messiah resurrects you because it is guaranteed by YHVH that anyone who follow in Messiah's footsteps He will raise that person from the dead just as he did Messiah.
@@JSalt00 I`ve literally quoted you where Jesus Himself said he will raise Himself, and yes I know the Father raised Him too I have no issue with that. The Humanity of Jesus died, as mortal He was scared as any man, yet followed the Fathers will, and Jesus did not sin, He represented sin on the cross, but he Himself had no need for sin to be forgiven.
Christ receives firstfruits offering in Rev 14:4. Such offerings are only given to God. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Yes Thank You. Yeshua Said, "For The Father Loves The Son And Shows Him All Things He Himself Does; And He Will Show Him Greater Works Than These That You May Marvel. For The Father Raises The Dead And Gives Life To Them, Even So The Son Gives Life To Whom He Will. For The Father Judges No One, But Has Committed All Judgment To The Son. THAT All Should Honor The Son Just As They Honor The Father." * And NOT THAT All Should Honor The Son Just As They Honor The Father BECAUSE The Son Is God. But All Should Honor The Son BECAUSE The Father Has Committed All Judgment To The Son. Yeshua Said He Came To Show Them The Father. Not Show Them He Was The God Of Their Fathers. Yeshua Said, "I And The Father Are One" Yeshua Did Not Say, I And God Are One. "The Word Became Flesh" God Did Not Become Jesus.
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he says he has A GOD en sits right side beside HIM so its obvious only YAH/YHWH ALOEN IS LORD GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMENNNNN john 17,3
You are not necessarily correct when Jesus said "Worship God and serve Him only" He was quoting a scripture, and making a statement by that. That statement does not exclude Him from being the subject of that statement. You are stretching. Yeshua does receive worship. The man who was born blind came back to find Yeshua and he worshiped Him. Yeshua received that worship. Also upon His entrance into the city of Jerusalem people were worshiping Him and He said if the people did not worship, the rocks and the stones would cry out as well.. I believe you are trying to understand a concept that arises from a different dimension by forcing it into your own limited dimension.
Keep in mind that in our modern culture, worship is understood as worshiping a diety. In earlier times, it was also signifying a sign of respect. In Revelation 4 and 5, the one who lives forever and ever was worshipped, not Jesus, though he was present. Who did Jesus worship when he went to Temple on Shabbat? He worshipped the Lord God Almighty, not himself. The New Testament clearly states he isn't God. We've been deceived.
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 You are insane honey. If Yeshua is not God, equal to the Father, at least He is God based on the fact He created the universe. So from your perspective as the created.. He is God the Creator. Also Rev. 5:13 declares all things in heaven worshiped the Lamb that was slain. Additionally Isaiah 9:6 says the child that is given to us is The Mighty God, and the everlasting Father. If you insist on being wrong, that is your choice.
To me it's clear from the Bible that Jesus is not God, I'm so annoyed that most Christians say He is God and laugh at me when I say otherwise. Most Christians believe a lie and Muslims use this against us.
the debate continual .... let look what the bible say ... just in john alone we see that in john 1:1 the word was god and in john 1:14 the word was made flesh ... in john 1:18 no one has ever seen god ... but in john 17:3 jesus who was god declare that the father is the one true god ... and in john 20:17 jesus tell us that the father is his god and our god ... what is john saying in the book of john ... that jesus is god in the old testament that has a god ... then who is god ... in the book of matthew in mathew 1:18 say that jesus is the child of the holy ghost ... making the holy ghost the father ... paul call him the image of god and jesus said in revelation that he was the beginning of god creation .. if we put everything together the let us make man in our image is correct ... jesus and the holy ghost as 1 in the book of genesis ... the light that the holy spirit created in day one was jesus ... something to think about .. it is the only thing that fit together ... jesus the god of the old testament that has a god ... who did abraham saw ... the lord jesus who is representing god and became a man when god sent him ... and live and die and was resurrected by the holy spirit asa man ... and had a god after the reurrected
There’s so much to pick apart here but I just don’t have the time and this channel adequately covers all of it. You need to be familiar with interpreter’s bias. If you look at John 1:1 in the *original Greek manuscripts* you will see that the term used for Jesus is not “God” but “a god” which can also be translated as “divine.” The language and grammar used is different to where it refers to him vs. with God. Look it up, there’s plenty of scholastic material that shows that the KJV rendering is inaccurate. Jesus is never referred to as Almighty God. Also, how on earth can the Holy Spirit be the Father? By your theological tradition, the church says that the Holy Spirit and the Father are explicitly NOT the same person but are supposedly coequal and coeternal.
@@chronic_daydreamer i did not say that the father and the holy spirit are NOT the same ... i said they ARE the same ...read matthew 1:18 ... i don't need this theological wisdom of men ... i need god wisdom .... all you do is fight with each other for pride of who is right or wrong ... like if that going to get you to heaven ... tell us smart man what is the foundation of the bible?... what is it purpose? ... what is the light in day one of creation? ... even if you have all the answer can that say you? ... we know that god decide who save us ... but who will he pick ... the righteous or the sinner? ... if the sinner don't turn from his way then he will not be save ... and if the righteous turn from his ways then he be judge as the sinner ... what good s the grace of god if you going to throw it away? ... you worry to much about theology than what jesus was trying to teach ... but if you like to know god and jesus then first look for the kingdom of god then ask god who they are
One of the ways latreuō is rendered is by means of prayer (Luke 2:37). Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer means He receives latreuō. This proves Jesus is God because latreuō is properly due unto God "alone" (Matthew 4:10).
Yes. People worshipping Jesus is proof of his deity. He has received worship before and during his incarnation. He has received worship after his death and resurrection
1 Chronicles 29:20 Then David said to the whole assembly, “Blessed be the LORD your God.” So the whole assembly blessed the LORD, the God of their fathers. They bowed down and paid homage to the LORD and to the king (BSB). And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king (KJV). And David said to all the assembly, Now bless Jehovah your God. And all the assembly blessed Jehovah, the God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped Jehovah, and the king (ASV).
@@LoveAndLiberty02Then you are confused because the author of both books of Chronicles uses the same construction elsewhere which demonstrates that only God is rendered worship. 2 Chronicles 31:8 When Hezekiah and the rulers came and saw the heaps, they blessed the LORD and His people Israel. Blessing the Lord means offering Him worship, but that doesn't mean Hezekiah and the rulers rendered worship unto the people of Israel. 2 Chronicles 35:3 He also said to the Levites who taught all Israel and who were holy to the LORD, Put the holy ark in the house which Solomon the son of David king of Israel built; it will be a burden on your shoulders no longer. Now serve the LORD and His people Israel. To serve the Lord involves worshiping the Lord, but serving people doesn't refer to worshiping people in this passage.
@kardiognostesministries8150 Ellicott: And the king.-As God’s earthly representative, David receives the same tokens of reverence and homage. Benson: And worshipped the Lord, and the king - The Lord with religious, and the king with civil worship. Barnes: Worshipped the Lord, and the king - The same outward signs of reverence were accorded by the customs of the Jews (as of the Oriental nations generally) to God and to their monarchs. Etc.,etc.
Worship alone doesn't prove that your God because as the bible makes clear other things except God was worshipped. Hence to show that he was the true God worthy of worship, he had to do something which God could only do. Hence why his raised himself from the dead to show that he was indeed the truth and the life which is made clear throughout the gospels. Your reasoning is for rejecting Jesus divinity isn't complete and your stance is not Biblical.
I appreciate your comment, however, Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, God did. This is the consistent witness of the New Testament: Acts 2:32 God raised this Jesus Acts 3:15 God raised up the Prince of life Acts 3:26 God raised up his Son Acts 4:10 God raised him from the dead Acts 5:30 God of our fathers raised him up Acts 10:40 To this God raised the third day Acts 13:30 God raised him from the dead. Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this promise.. to resurrect Jesus Acts 13:34 He (God) raised him from the dead Acts 13:37 God raised Jesus Acts 17:31 God raised him from the dead. Romans 4:24 He who raised Jesus from the dead Romans 6:4 Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father Romans 8:11 He (God) who raised Jesus from the dead Romans 10:9 God raised him from the dead. 1 Corinthians 6:14 God raised up the Lord 1 Corinthians 15:15 God raised Christ 2 Corinthians 4:14 The (God) who raised the Lord Galatians 1:1 God the Father who raised him up Ephesians 1:19, 20 because of the mighty power of the Father when He (God) raised the Christ from the dead Colossians 2:12 God who raised him from the dead 1 Thessalonians 1:10 to whom He (God) raised from the dead, that is, Jesus Hebrews 13:20 The God of peace raised up our Lord Jesus from the dead 1 Peter 1:21 God raised him
@@biblicalunitarian these passages actually support the trinity. The passages are referring to nature of God. It’s making it clear that the power of God raised Jesus from the dead. However Jesus makes it clear that he has that power. “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.”John 5:19Thus Jesus is claiming to have the same capabilities of the father who is God.The Jews understood this and stoned him because thought Jesus was blaspheming. So if Jesus is claiming to have the same power the father has. Then Unitarianism isn’t being preached in the bible. Son is claiming to be God like the Father. So if Unitarianism is preached explain why the Jesus is claiming to be God as well as the father, is Unitarian.
Daniel 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
The _Revelation_ of Jesus Christ is completely lost on Trinitarians and -Biblical- Unitarians alike.
*REVELATION 22 (KJV)* [3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne *of God AND of the Lamb* shall be in it; and *HIS servants* shall *serve (latreuo) HIM:* [4] And they shall see *HIS face;* and *HIS name* shall be in their foreheads.
"God and the Lamb" are not referred to as "THEM". "God and the Lamb" are referred to with the *singular personal pronoun* "HIM". And that's because "God and the Lamb" are the *selfsame **_unipersonal_** Spirit,* whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
-- "God" = the ROOT of David = JESUS -- "the Lamb" = the OFFSPRING of David (i.e., the ROOT of David "manifest in the flesh") = JESUS
*REVELATION 22:16 (KJV)* *I JESUS* have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. *I am the root AND the offspring of David,* and the bright and morning star.
-- JESUS is _both_ the root of David _and_ the offspring of David. -- JESUS is _both_ the invisible God _and_ the invisible God's visible image, the Lamb. -- JESUS is _both_ the one true God - God the Father - _and_ God the Father's genuinely human manifestation, the only begotten Son of God.
great! thank you so much for these videos. May the Lord bless your work
Great Video
Thanks! I have seen some of your content, and appreciate it as well!
I'm also a big fan of your content. I especially appreciate your testimony and how you stand up for what the Bible says- in general, and specifically when it comes to who Jesus is.
BTW, you came to Israel (where I live) I wish I could have met you.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514 God, the Father of Jesus, raised him, as it clearly says in Galatians 1:1
@@jonorisin73 John 2:19-21.
Great video! What can be frustrating is the avowed Trinitarian has a perceived logical trump card to arguments like - God cannot be tempted or God cannot die by saying God the Father can't, but in the person of the son where was fully man he could. I'm not sure there is a good counter when one is so convinced. Keep up the great content, these videos have been helpful resources in reasoning together with someone.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514 Indeed! The notion that "God exalted God," or "God raised God from the dead," are self-contradictory phrases.
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Yes, it *_can_* be "frustrating," but only if we cling to an immediate outcome. *_Plant good seeds._* Among them, I would suggest to plant the seed of *_humility,_* for none of us in Omniscient; therefore ALL of us have more to learn. When a person achieves certainty on *_anything,_* they stop looking.
That hubris is what brought down the Tower of Babel and prevented any who clung to it from performing miracles. The only certainty we should have is not in our own knowledge, but in God's *_Knowledge and Power._* When we aim humility and confidence properly, we have the ingredients of *_Faith_* -- not "belief" in the modern sense, but in the sense which Christ used for moving mountains, walking on water, parting the sea, and healing the sick.
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@@RodMartinJr who raised jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514 God Almighty, Father of us all, including our "elder" brother, Christ Jesus.
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praise be to GOD en to lord christ our advocate to HIM
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I SO APPRECIATE the way you teach so clearly, simply and logically! This is a very important topic for us to understand correctly. Thank you and God bless!
Glad it was helpful!
THIS was my big question pressing on my mind today. Thank you for putting these videos out!
So glad we could help!
@@biblicalunitarianDeuteronomy 6: 16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
I, as a Transylvanian Unitarian, I am so happy that I found this channel, and that the true Unitarian tradition is still alive in the West. For long time I thought that only Universalist "Unitarians" exist, who long time ago, chose to break away from Unitarianism and Christianity, and keep it only as part of their name.
When I see that our theology students go to learn in America at the Universalists, makes me sad because this do not helps them to learn, but to go astray. Instead of this, they should make contacts with you, because you are the real Unitarians besides us. And of course, we, the Transylvanian Unitarians, who trace back our faith to 1568, to the Decree of Religious Freedom of Torda, should receive the Biblical Unitarian students from the West, to strenghten our contacts.
God Bless You!
Jesus is God (Romans 10:13).
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514Total dodge of Romans 10:13.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514Romans 10:13 is still there. Try again.
The Greek word worship can mean different things depending on the context. Peter was worshped by Cornelius. These mean, to show honour and respect.
When sacred service is involved, then only Jehovah should get that worship. Matthew 4:10
It's worth noting that Peter rebukes Cornelius for worshiping him.
@@RefutingUnitarians :(Acts 10:25, 26) As Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet, and did obeisance to him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying: “Rise; I too am just a man.”
Jesus' illustration of the King and the slave.
Matthew 18:26 KJV
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
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Then the slave threw himself to the ground and began to do obeisance to him, saying, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay back everything to you!’
The Greek word proskuneō is translated in various ways when applied to humans.
Similar to love. Does love for God and love for neighbour mean the same type of love?
@@RefutingUnitarians Yes, I've noticed that and other cases (eg. in Revelation 22:9) where the word seems to go "out of its way" to make this point: in God's current economy, there are many powerful servants whether they be angelic, or anointed humans, to whom we may be tempted to bow in worship (as would be lawful). Yet- we are told that we should give that honor only to God, and apparently to Jesus as well. I don't think it "makes" Jesu God, rather it manifests the glory that God has given him, ABOVE the angels, and above every other king and lord.
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I didn't find anything that states that this type of worship that cornelius gave to Peter is only for God? I mean, think about it, cornelius was a man revered by Jews, how could such a man not know that worshipping a man (Peter was seen as a man only, nothing indicates he was seen as a deity) is blasphemous? It's worth noting that it was shown to emphasise that this worship is reserved for people of great honor (not necessarily God Almighty) and Peter denied being someone great and replied by saying "I am only a man" which is just him saying that he isn't anyone very great. This actually proves that this worship can be given to great men other than God just like how cornelius was going to give it to Peter who he saw as a great man (How can anyone think Peter is a deity, especially cornelius who was loved by Jews?) Except that Peter rejected being a great man.
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Indeed it does. We worship God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
You are applying your own understanding to spiritual things.
Scriptural passages written to explain who the one true God IS are plain and very clear unless one is bent to corrupt the pure word of God. Let us be humble and revere the word of God. Trinity, the concept of tribune God (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit) is based on passages that are NOT meant to explain who the one true God is. There is one true God, the originator of everything worthy to be worshipped, i.e., God the Father.
If we’re going to reference James 1:13, we need to be sure to reference the entire verse, as well as to look at it in context. The verse says that God cannot be tempted “by evil”, not that he can’t be tempted in general. To understand the context of what James is talking about, we need to look at the next verse, v14 “But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.” In Matthew 4:8-10, Jesus is being tempted by an external celestial being (Satan / the adversary), not by his own lust.
We also need to look at the context of Hebrews 8:5, as it does not referring to serving men. We see immediately before it in verse 4 that the priests are offering gifts according to the Law - they are offering these gifts to God, not to men.
The book of Sirach is not universally accepted as canon, so we should take the entire book with a grain of salt. But if we do accept it, we should note that the Hebrew concept of Wisdom closely aligns with the Greek idea of “logos” (from which we get our English word “logical”). In light of this, this verse would be consistent with John 1:1, and as it would therefore indeed be God being served.
While it’s true that Jesus is not “served” (“latreuo”) in the Gospels, we should note that in Revelation 22:3-4, the throne of God and the Lamb is singular, and it says that “His bond-servants will serve (“latreuo”) him. So, whose bond-servants exactly?
Verse 6 says the Lord, the God (“theos”) of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show “His bond-servants,” and we see again in verse 16, very plainly, “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches.”
So, based on the text, not only is Jesus being referred to as "theos", but the bond-servants being referenced almost certainly belong to Jesus. This is also consistent with the rest of scripture where Paul (Rom. 1:1, Gal. 1:10, Phil. 1:1), Peter (1 Peter 2:1), James (James 1:1), and Jude (Jude 1:1) all refer to themselves as bond-servants of Jesus Christ.
While it's true that "latreuo" can be used in extrabiblical context to refer to forms of slavery, we don't have a use of "latreuo" in the Bible itself other than what should be rendered to God.
Thanks for your comment. Sorry, I do not have time to respond to all of your comment however, I will respond to as much as I can.
You said, "While it's true that "latreuo" can be used in extrabiblical context to refer to forms of slavery, we don't have a use of "latreuo" in the Bible itself other than what should be rendered to God."
Okay, so, BDAG and LSJ and others say that "latreuo" can be used in other ways besides rendering cultic service to a God, but you are saying that it can only be used in rendering cultic service to a God. I understand that most often that is what "latreuo" means in both the new and old Testaments, however, when you have many other examples of it meaning other things, you can no longer make the argument that it only is used in reference to a deity. You have to go against the lexicons to argue this.
Secondly, I actually think Revelation 22:6 provides evidence for identifying who is being "latreuo-ed" in Revelation 22:3. It says "his servants" (οἱ δοῦλοι, same as Rev. 22:3), yet the subject is "the Lord, the God of the prophets," which is the Father, because the author of Revelation sees Jesus and God as separate individuals throughout (Rev. 1:1; 1:6; 21:22; 22:1). Also, in Revelation 7:15, they are before the throne of GOD and they serve (latreuo) him. There the referrent is unambiguous. Thus, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the phrase "his servants" is in reference to the God the Father in Revelation 22:3.
You reference Revelation 22:6, yet, just because Jesus sent his angel (Rev. 22:16) and God sent his angel (Rev. 22:6) that does not make Jesus into God. Both of them could rightly send the angel. Both of their names are written on the foreheads of the 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. So, you could not say, since Jesus' name is written on their foreheads and God's name is written on their foreheads that Jesus is God. No, both of their names are written on their foreheads. The author of Revelation consistently sees Jesus and God as separate persons (Rev. 1:1; 1:6; 21:22; 22:1), so that is a mistake to assume that they both do something, therefore they are the same person.
You seem like you are trying to view things fairly, but I think you are failing to see the weaknesses of the argument you are ultimately making. You are saying (against the lexicons) that being "latreuo-ed" makes one a God, and that Jesus is "latreuo-ed" in Rev. 22:3 which is not clear by any means (God could very well be the one being "latreuo-ed"), and therefore Jesus is God. Even though all throughout Revelation God is someone different from the lamb (Rev. 1:1; 1:6; 21:22; 22:1).
@@biblicalunitarian Thanks for your reply -- I always appreciate your willingness to engage in the comments.
So, while it's true that the lexicon authors note other potential uses of "latreuo", my point is that we don't have another NT example of "latreuo" being used besides rendering service that should be rendered to God. So, while I would agree with you that something or someone being properly "latreuo"-ed doesn't outright make them "God," it's important not to just gloss over the commandment that we should "latreuo" God only and automatically assume it's only certain types of "latreuo" that we should give only to God.
In other words, the biblical use of "latreuo" is just one of many factors that should be weighed when considering whether or not Jesus is God.
Your interpretation of Rev. 22:6 only works if we start with the assumption that Jesus can't be God. I recognize that "only the Father is God" is a core tenet of the Unitarian doctrine to make sense of (using human logic) the one-ness of God, but there are a considerable amount of verses in the NT pointing to Jesus being God. Since Jesus is also called "kyrios" in many NT verses, and is highly likely called "theos" in several other verses, we shouldn't be so quick to assume Rev. 22:6 verse is a reference to the Father only.
But, for the sake of argument, let's say Rev. 22:6 verse is referring to the Father. Immediately after in verse 7, Jesus is the one speaking through the angel, and then Jesus explicitly says He sent the angel in v16.
So, you are saying that the Father sent the angel, and then a few verses later Jesus says He is the one sent the angel. But, if they are, as you mentioned, totally separate beings, it doesn't make any sense for them both to send the angel. Furthermore, Jesus doesn't say He "also" sent the angel along with God -- He says He sent the angel.
Respectfully, I understand why the Unitarian perspective needs the Father to be the one to send the angel, too, because if He didn't, then it's yet another example of Jesus being called God.
However, this doesn't make any sense from the textual standpoint.
It's true that God cannot be tempted by evil, and that he can be tempted as in he can be put to the test, that is, he can have his patience tried....
Yet Jesus was a human who had the same temptable nature as the rest of us. He was tempted in all ways that we are, except he was without sin. Temptation is not sin. It was not a sin for Jesus to be tempted. It would have been sin if he would've yielded to temptation.
Jesus had normal internal human desires, yet he denied those and chose to obey God's will. To claim he only faced "external" temptation and that he didn't have real human appetites that would cause that which was forbidden to him to still appeal to his flesh is just nonsense.
Be that as it may, he denied his flesh and never sinned. He was resolute in his denial of that which was forbidden to him, but that doesn't mean he didn't feel the pull of temptation. The pull that God, who is not of flesh, does not feel.
Hi@@LoveAndLiberty02 Thanks for your reply! This is why context is important. James does not say we are tempted by our physical flesh, but the temptation he is talking about is from our lusts which dwell within our sinful nature that we inherit from Adam. This is what Paul also talks about in Romans 5. Since Jesus does not share Adam's seed because He came via the seed of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was not born a sinner in the same way as we are. Thus, He couldn't be tempted by His sinful nature because there was no sin Him. But, as the author of Hebrews notes, Jesus took on flesh and became a man and experienced all the other weaknesses, limitations, struggles, and temptations that come with being in the flesh, yet without sin.
I think you are mistaken. Our flesh is what gives us the capacity for temptation, though choices and habits can strengthen temptation. I stand by my assertion above. In short, I reject your Augustinian proposal as erroneous. Good day.
Can u explain alpha and omega about jesus ?
www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/revelation-22-13-trinity
@@biblicalunitarian I readed it , but there is not a clear response why , its just make up some theory , but if u have a simple direct way to answer i will be glad to hear it , thanks for u work , God bless u all !
You always do a good job of showing that Jesus is the Son of God. I have a question. How do you sort out the character of God? Is He in control of everything? Is He a covenant-keeping God? Did the Son of God fully reveal his Father?
Personally, I take more of an Open Theist view of God being "in control." Yes, he is a covenant keeping God. Jesus revealed the Father, did he FULLY reveal, well no, because firstly, that's impossible, secondly, we don't even have all of Jesus' words if he did fully reveal the Father.
@biblicalunitarian Jesus revealed his Father fully. Any other opinion is influenced by antichrist ideas. Which is rampant among Christians today.
Also, the worship the Father is to receive, is by the power of His Spirit in us. "those who worship Him, must worship Him in Spirit and in truth" as Jesus said to the samaritan woman, so, to bend our knee or sing at a gathering to God does not necessarily mean that this is what God is expecting from us as a form of worship, that worship He is looking for is spiritual worship from our spirt. Jesus can be shown honor as when the Scripture says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord, but this does not mean Jesus is the Almighty or the Creator of all as the Father who is Spirit is.
Which translation of the Bible would you recommend? I have the KJV but we know it has error,they probably all do but I would like your opinion please.Thank you for this video
@@OnlyTheScriptures I use ESV, however choose a few and compare their translation with each other to get a better understanding.
Do you have a turkish Christian. I dont speak english. I have a lot of question. Please help me
Have you found any? Check out the Unitarian Christian Alliance directory, there are Unitarian Christians all around the world.
Do you believe the spirit of Jesus and the spirit of the Father indwell man or just the spirit of the Father.?
Hello.
In Daniel 7:14 Jesus is “served” / recieves “latreuo”.
How would you explain this when Jesus himself is saying that Only the father must be rendered service / latreuo?
(Not a trini)
Thanks for your comment! Overall, I would just say, it seems that there are exceptions, as I mentioned in the video, where things/people other than God receive latreuo, especially in Greek literature. Thus, it doesn't make one God. Plus some versions of the Greek Septuagint use "douleuw" instead of "latreuo", so I really think those are some shaky foundations to then base an idea like, "Jesus just is God" off of.
It proves Jesus is God.
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Sounds like the Trinity creed was a very bad administrative decision. Those who refused to agree to it were exiled or punished.
This is a good explanation.
However, it could be added that the old English word 'worship' had a much broader range of meaning. Indeed, since most translations render proskuneo with phrases such as 'bow down'; show honour; do obeisance etc with reference to other people in the Bible, the fact that the word 'worship is used with reference to Jesus simply reveals the preconeived ideas and bias of the translators.
Scholar James Dunn even has a book showing that there is no real evidence that Jesus was actually 'worshipoped' (as God).
“You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because that’s what I am.”
John 13:13
@@servus_jesu_christi : Indeed ! But he was much more than just a Teacher and a lord. He was the messiah, the Christ, the Son of God.(Mat 16 :16).
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr never said he wasnt, my brother
@@servus_jesu_christi ; at best he can only be your adopted 'brother.'
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr when i said my brother i was refering to you
Mat 2:11 kjv And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Christian disagree on this verse and have textual differences textual variant for this verse
The Greek word used to worship God is different than the word used to worship Jesus . Worship God in Greek is Lat-ryoo-o under G3000 strong’s Hebrew and English Dictionaries The Greek word used in Matt 2:11and in all verses say worship Jesus is (proskuneo G4352) which means homage that means BOW DOWN on the face as sign or respect according to ( strong’s Hebrew and English Dictionaries. Many versions translate it as homage BOW DOWN on the face as sign or respect not worship such as
CEB said Falling to their knees, they honored him and
DARBY said falling down did him homage and
DLNT said fallen-down, they paid homage to Him and
NABRE said They prostrated themselves and did him homage and
NCB said Falling to their knees, they paid him homage and
NRSVA said they knelt down and paid him homage and
NRSVACE said knelt down and paid him homage and
NRSVCE said knelt down and paid him homage and
NRSVUE said knelt down and paid him homage .
worship means according to English Dictionary Oxford and Webster dictionary and the bible Strong Hebrew and Greek dictionary means BOW DOWN on the face as sign of respect and honor . The Britannica Dictionary one of the meaning to love or honor (someone or something) very much or too much also means to honor or respect (someone or something) as a god (a god small letter g like God told Moses in Exod 7:1 I have made thee a god to Pharaoh. The Cambridge Dictionary means to have or show strong feeling of respect and admiration for God or a god (a god small letter g like God told Moses in Exod 7:1 I have made thee a god to Pharaoh also means to love, respect, and admire someone or something very much, often without noticing the bad qualities of that person or thing. The Marriam Webster Dictionary means extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem like saying he worship Dollar . The Collins English Dictionary worship verb If you worship someone or something, you love them or admire them very much like saying They worship James Brown, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix.
You can see many who BOW DOWN in the bible like people BOW DOWN to Jesus DOES THAT MAKES THEM GOD ?
Gen 23:7 And Abraham stood up, and (bowed himself) to the people of the land, even to the children of Heth.
Gen 33:3~7 Jacob his wife and his Children BOW DOWN to Esau
Gen 24:6 & Gen 43:26~28 Josephs brethren BOW DOWN themselves before him
Gen 48:12 Joseph BOWED DOWN to his father
Exo 18:7 Moses BOWED DOWN to his father in law
1 Samuel 24:8~9 David BOWED DOWN to Saul
1 Samuel 25:23~24 Abigail BOWED DOWN to David
1 king 1:16 Bathsheba BOWED DOWN to king David.
1 king 1 :22~23 Nathan the Prophet BOWED DOWN to David.
2 king 2:15 the sons of the prophets BOWED DOWN to Elijah
But will the trinis not just say “don’t you latreuo / serve Jesus”. What would your’ response to this be? I would say that when we serve Jesus we serve the father through Jesus.
It would be, "Yes, I serve Jesus." But if they are asking, "Are you serving Jesus as if he is the one True God, or offering sacrifices to him (latreuo is used like this often especially in OT)?" Then I would say no. Thanks!
@@biblicalunitarianBy rendering latreuō unto Jesus proves He is God for latreuō is due unto God "alone" (Luke 4:8).
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514God the father raised Jesus as a life giving spirit. As a life giving spirit in heaven, Jesus raised up his body.
@@JKV84 To say the Father raised Jesus as a life giving spirit, are you suggesting that the spirit of Jesus was dead?
Why in all four Gospels would the writers use Isaiah 40:3 to announce Jesus Christ? If you look at the hebrew of Isaiah 40:3 it says 'prepare the way for YHWH'. John the Baptist was telling people Jesus Christ is God. Can any unitarian refute this?
They are just taking what is used for LORD and implementing it on Jesus, that doesn't make Jesus God, but in fact shows him to be doing things on behalf of God. For example, LORD is the one who gave torah to the jewish people but moses somewhere else is called "The Lawgiver" does that mean moses and LORD are the same being? It is just that the agent of God is doing what God will do, and that is what agents of God are, they do the things God wants to do. How many times has Jesus said: "Not my own will, but the will of the one who sent me" and many things of such? In exodus, the angel of the LORD calls himself "God of abraham, Isaac, jacob" very explicitly, but later we find out that it is because the angel has the name of the LORD in him and is a separate being from God.
Thank you for your response. The Gospel authors taking scripture about YHWH and applying it to Jesus does not make him God? Please explain.
John the Baptist is not making the way for an 'agent of God' that is not what the scripture says. He is making the way for the LORD. He is making the way for the ministry of Jesus Christ.
@@themasterryu How does this show 'Jesus is doing stuff on behalf of God'? How do you reach this interpretation from the text?
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Firstly, around the greek time being called "son of God" would mean to be a representative ruler that is directly linked with God. The very fact that the beginning of the verse goes something like "The good news of the son of God" is a way to demonstrate that the author has had taken inspiration from his surroundings as this exact same phrase was used on caesar. I think this is where we can understand where the author draws the line between the representative AND the actual thing, by repeatedly calling Jesus as the son of God, he is demonstrating to his audience at the time that Jesus is the representative of God. Then, many times Jesus had distinguished himself from God too. In Mark 2 we see Jesus replying to the men who accused him of blasphemy by saying:
"I want YOU to KNOW that the SON OF MAN has the authority on earth to forgive sins." He didn't affirm their claim that he was God and that who else could it be? But instead he shows him to be someone else who can forgive sins as well.
Alot if trinitarians and people that say Jesus is God, say that Jesus said truly i say to you before Abraham, I Am,and thats the The title God gave himself that why Jesus is God .when i read that verse I take it as Jesus is Saying i was before Abraham..I believe Jesus was in heaven sent by God to earth.. does anyone out there have any other explanations why Jesus said I AM?
@@Albert-x6y he’s The I Am meaning he’s the Messiah that was prophesied before Abraham. The Messiah prophesied to Adam in genesis.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/videos/john-8-58b
I really don’t see the problem. To worship the son is to worship the father. To serve the son is to serve the father.
We worship the son because he died on the cross and because God the father commands us to. He finds joy in it. We worship the father because he is the most high and the one creating everything. When we worship the son the worship goes through him an ultimately to the father.
Part of worshipping the father only is to listening to his commands. And he command us to worship his son.
When Jesus comes back I won’t be giving him a high five saying “good job and good to see you”. I will fall to my face, surrendering to him and i will be worshipping him. Just like I am now. Fully aware that the father alone is the most high and only true God. 8:56
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
No! The Greek word is Proskoni and means to bow down, to prostrate or kiss the hand. People in the Bible were given proskoni but that does not make them god too ! So it depends WHO you give it to and fkr WHAT reason. Regards your friendly JW
But Jesus is receiving latreuo in heaven at the right hand of the Father. All of creation is giving Jesus latreuo. Latreuo belongs to God and God alone.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha
Jeremiah 30:9 states that we should "serve" God AND David. Even though this is hebrew, the word is "abedu" which is the greek equivalent of "Latreuo"
Does that mean david is God as well?
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha This verse also blows my mind. If Jesus was GIVEN anything ( Authority of heaven and earth ), Then he wasn't God to begin with. Jesus was handed over authority by God the father. But then a bigger question arises...
Then what's God doing now that Jesus is running the show? Maybe this "Authority " is in reference to the idea that he does have control but it can be ratified. It reminds me of my previous employment where I was a company plant director but the company owner still had the final say
@@CONSERVATIVESONSUSA says who?
@@themasterryu no it doesn't, if you think that you seriously need to check your reading comprehension.
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Exactly, the story with the devil shows Jesus is God, because the devil tried to tempt him, but unsuccessfully as God/Jesus cannot be tempted.
*_Big problem taking ANY verse literally!_* While some verses CAN be taken literally and remain true, some cannot. We need to rest in the *_Faith_* that *_TRUTH_* is behind the verse, but that what we mortals "see" is merely the finger pointing toward *_TRUTH._*
Leviticus tells us that drinking blood is forbidden. And yet, Christ told his followers to drink his blood. Yet, it wasn't literal "blood," just as Adam eating the Forbidden Fruit was not literal fruit. In the same fashion that Spirit Adam consumed the *_product_* or output of the Dichotomous Matrix of Knowledge (good-evil, action-reaction), we must consume the *_spiritual blood_* (sacrifice) of Christ to find ourselves part of the Body of Christ -- the rebuilt (purified) New Adam.
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Not to play Devil’s advocate here, but I think their general reasoning is more that Jesus didn’t correct him for worshipping him and calling him “my God.”
There are still other problems with that line of false reasoning, including but not limited to the fact that Jesus always directed worship to the Father and never to himself, which he should have rightly done if he were God. One example of being worshipped and called “my God!” is simply not sufficient to predicate the argument upon. Also God worships none and is slave to none. But Jesus worshipped and prayed to the Father. He is also the way to the Father for us. Why would he need to be a way to one aspect of a godhead if he were already God himself? By all accounts, it makes no logical sense. The scriptures make it clear that neither is the Son or the Holy Spirit God Almighty.
Edit: Sorry, I see you’ve addressed this in the last part of your video. Well done.
Since Jesus is called God then worshipping him as such wouldn’t be a problem
”Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.“
Philippians 2:5-11 ESV
@@marktravis5162Where is he called God? He’s called God’s Son. Not God. Not God the Son. He’s called God’s Son. He says he had a beginning. God did not have a beginning.
@@saiyajinlivesIt’s convenient how Trinitarians ignore this passage too, huh? If equality were a thing to be grasped at for him, then that shows that Jesus never had equality with God and never desired it.
@@chronic_daydreamer nah, it says right before “he was in the form of God” what else can be in the form of God besides God?
Scriptural passages written to explain who the one true God IS are plain and very clear unless one is bent to corrupt the pure word of God. Let us be humble and revere the word of God. Trinity, the concept of tribune God (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit) is based on passages that are NOT meant to explain who the one true God is. There is one true God, the originator of everything worthy to be worshipped, i.e., God the Father.
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Secondary worship for all others than Father God(YHVH).
Father God alone are worshiped as God/Creator.
Jesus commanded us to honor him just as we honor the Father. John 5:23.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha ....when we honor the Messiah we honor God. Not that Jesus IS God. Jesus is a man and he has a God, John 20:17 and God does not have a God. Jesus is lesser than his God, John 14:28 / 1 Corinthians 11:3 The man Jesus told us in a simple and clear manner that his God and Father is the ONLY ONE that is true God, John 17:3 There is no contradictions in God's word, God-breathed as it is.
@@bosse641 John 5:23 says to honor the son EVEN AS WE HONOR THE FATHER.
How do we honor the Father?
@@bosse641 Jesus never said the Father is the only one who is God. You are a liar. John 17:3 said the Father is the only true God. It didn't say the Father is the only ONE who is God.
We don't teach there is another God the Father anyways. Jesus is the son, not the father.
Revelation 4:8
8 And the four beasts had each one of them six wings about him, and they were full of eyes within,
and they ceased not day nor night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, Which was, and which is, and which is to come
We worship (pay respect to, bow down to) the Father, YHVH, as our God and Creator. We worship (pay respect to, bow down to) the Messiah as our appointed King of the Kingdom of YHVH, someone above us in status/power/authority. That's what proskuneō means. So, when Messiah's disciples bow down to him, they do not worship him as their God, they are paying respect to him as the Promised/Prophesied King of Israel that they have been waiting for who is finally right in front of them. The disciples and even the Pharisees were seeking for the Promised King as prophesied in the Old Testament to unite the broken Kingdom of Israel, none of them were seeking for a God. They all know who that God is because they all were taught the Law that was given to Moses. The only problem with these Pharisees or most Jews in Judea before is that even though they have the Law of Moses, those Law are actually not in their heart to obey them and are being hypocrites.
Christianity on the otherhand, do not know who their God/Creator is because of their rejection of the Law/Commandments and Promises/Testimony/Plan of YHVH in the Prophets. Instead they follow a Babylonian doctrine of the Trinity and Incarnation which are opposed to or are against YHVH's Law and Testimony. They do not have the foundation of The Law and the Promises/Testimony of YHVH in the Prophets to understand that Messiah is not our God but someone who is a servant of God who was sent first as our High Priest or proxy Shepherd to fetch and lead/guide the Lost Sheep into the Kingdom of YHVH. Everyone is cut off from YHVH. If Messiah do not accomplish his mission to have people's sin forgiven by YHVH then there will be no Kingdom and Messiah is King of no one. So, before Messiah could rule in the Kingdom given to him by YHVH, he must first help his brothers and sisters! Then later, at his "return", he will gather them all together and unite the Kingdom of Israel into one.
Messiah's teachings and example of obedience to YHVH is our guide, which he calls The Way. It's why he said to follow him. To worship Messiah as your God or to believe in the Trinity and Incarnation is NOT The Way because he never taught those things and never made an example of doing/preaching those things. He did not do the sign of the cross, for example, which is the sign of the Trinity. Christianity, Judaism and even the Hebrew Roots do not even listen to him but walk their own ways which is not The Way. That is the problem! If you do not reject the Law of YHVH then Messiah will lead you to walk The Way which is a spiritual understanding or a renewal of your mind on how to actually practice the Law/Commandments of YHVH or in other words how to walk with a Circumcised Heart which is The Sign of the Covenant under Messiah per Jeremiah 31:33.
In most Christian's case, the first 5 of the Commandments need to be restored in their hearts and learn that there is a hierarchy as laid out in the Prophets. YHVH is above all as our only God and Creator then Messiah under Him as our King and High Priest then everyone else below Messiah.
There is more but people (Christianity especially) need to start with these.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
@@shanebell2514 YHVH raised Messiah from the dead.
Acts 4:10
[10] ...You nailed Yahusha to the stake, but God (YHVH) raised him from death...
Romans 8:11
[11] And if the Spirit of Him (YHVH) who raised Messiah from the dead is living in you, He (YHVH) who raised Messiah from the dead will ALSO give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit which lives in you.
YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one and only true God Messiah proclaimed in John 17:3 whom he calls his Father because YHVH is our Creator, the only one who gives life, who can take away life and grant anyone eternal life.
Messiah could not save himself from death because he isnt God. He has no power to resurrect himself or anyone from the dead.
Hebrews 5:7
[7] During the days of Messiah's life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears TO THE ONE (YHVH) WHO COULD SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, and he was heard because of his reverent submission (not because he was a sinless God).
If Messiah was crying and praying to YHVH to save him from death, then people should be doing the same thing INSTEAD of worshipping Messiah. He is not a God. He does not have the power to save you from death. The only way Messiah can save us is if we follow in his teachings and example of obedience to YHVH. That's why he is called our savior not because he is the one doing the actual saving but because he leads us to salvation. It's why he is our High Priest or the appointed Shepherd of the sheep.
A High Priests job is to teach others how to walk The Way of Righteousness to have our sins forgive just as his sins was forgiven (Zachariah 3) and be our example or role model to follow. First you learn The Letter of the Law (The Ten Commandments, the Feasts Days and other instructions from YHVH) then you go to Messiah to learn how to actually practice these Laws (ex in Matthew 5). The Letter is just the beginning or the "milk" as Paul preached in his writings. The "meat" is the spiritual aspect of The Letter.
John 8:12
[12] “I am the light of the world (our guide, a lamp that lights our path, the Shepherd of the sheep, our mediator). Whoever follows me (his teachings and example) will never live in darkness (in ignorance or in lies). They will have the light (the lamp, the truth, the knowledge from YHVH) that gives life (that leads to salvation).”
Psalms 119:105
[105] Your Word (YHVH's Plan of Salvation, if you learn this and walk it like Messiah did) is like a lamp that guides my steps, a light that shows the path I should take.
YHVH taught Messiah His Word and commanded him to teach it to his brothers and sisters:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
[18] I will raise up for them a prophet like you (like Moses, a man NOT a God) from among their fellow Israelites (their brother), and I will put My Words in his mouth. He will tell (teach) them everything I command him (regarding how to walk The Way). [19] I (YHVH) myself will call to account (judge) anyone who DOES NOT LISTEN to My Words that the prophet speaks in My Name (under His authority).
This is why Messiah said he will raise you up because he was given authority that whoever follows him YHVH guarantees He will raise them up from the dead just as He did Messiah, NOT that Messiah is actually the one doing the raising.
John 6:44-45
[44] The Father (YHVH) is the one who sent me (to preach The Plan of Salvation, to walk The Way which he also walked), and He (YHVH) is the one who brings people to me (to learn and walk The Way). I will raise them up on the last day (if they follow him). Anyone the Father does not bring to me cannot come to me (to learn and walk The Way). [45] It is written in the prophets: ‘God (YHVH) will teach them all.’ People listen to the Father and learn from Him (first). (Then after,) They are the ones who come to me (to learn how to actually practice YHVH's Law).
Acts 2:38-39
[38] Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives (have YHVH's Law be written in your heart or walk with a Circumcised Heart for YHVH's Laws like Messiah did, it's how he lived his life and we should pattern ours the same he did) and be baptized, each one of you, in the (Covenant) under Yahusha Messiah's name (not under The Mosaic Covenant). THEN God (YHVH) will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (this is Grace!). [39] THIS PROMISE IS FOR YOU (for those who follow in the teachings and example of Messiah who is our role model, our Shepherd. To believe is to obey/follow!). It is also for your children (if you teach them the same way) and for the people who are far away. It is for everyone YHVH our God calls to Himself.”
@@JSalt00 John 2:19-21 "Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body."
@@shanebell2514 he did not resurrect himself. Why else would he cry out to YHVH to save him from death? Its quite a contradiction. YHVH is not the author of confusion. Messiah walked The Way that YHVH taught him and his sins was forgiven by YHVH then when his flesh died, he was resurrected by YHVH. That's what those verses I quoted tells us. That's the authority given to Messiah. So, if you follow him it's as if Messiah resurrects you because it is guaranteed by YHVH that anyone who follow in Messiah's footsteps He will raise that person from the dead just as he did Messiah.
@@JSalt00 I`ve literally quoted you where Jesus Himself said he will raise Himself, and yes I know the Father raised Him too I have no issue with that.
The Humanity of Jesus died, as mortal He was scared as any man, yet followed the Fathers will, and Jesus did not sin, He represented sin on the cross, but he Himself had no need for sin to be forgiven.
Christ receives firstfruits offering in Rev 14:4. Such offerings are only given to God.
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Daniel 7:14 is a vision of the kingdom and the nations will worship Jesus as the King of the Kingdom. There is no problem here
You are wrong.. It can't be worked out like that.
You are picking out verses to try to come to your own conclusion. .
You need to listen to Dutch Sheets from America.
Yes Thank You.
Yeshua Said,
"For The Father Loves The Son And Shows Him All Things He Himself Does;
And He Will Show Him Greater Works Than These That You May Marvel.
For The Father Raises The Dead And Gives Life To Them,
Even So The Son Gives Life To Whom He Will.
For The Father Judges No One, But Has Committed All Judgment To The Son.
THAT All Should Honor The Son Just As They Honor The Father."
* And NOT THAT
All Should Honor The Son Just As They Honor The Father
BECAUSE The Son Is God.
But All Should Honor The Son BECAUSE
The Father Has Committed All Judgment To The Son.
Yeshua Said He Came To Show Them The Father.
Not Show Them He Was The God Of Their Fathers.
Yeshua Said, "I And The Father Are One"
Yeshua Did Not Say, I And God Are One.
"The Word Became Flesh" God Did Not Become Jesus.
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he says he has A GOD en sits right side beside HIM
so its obvious only YAH/YHWH ALOEN IS LORD GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMENNNNN john 17,3
You are not necessarily correct when Jesus said "Worship God and serve Him only" He was quoting a scripture, and making a statement by that. That statement does not exclude Him from being the subject of that statement. You are stretching. Yeshua does receive worship. The man who was born blind came back to find Yeshua and he worshiped Him. Yeshua received that worship. Also upon His entrance into the city of Jerusalem people were worshiping Him and He said if the people did not worship, the rocks and the stones would cry out as well.. I believe you are trying to understand a concept that arises from a different dimension by forcing it into your own limited dimension.
Keep in mind that in our modern culture, worship is understood as worshiping a diety. In earlier times, it was also signifying a sign of respect.
In Revelation 4 and 5, the one who lives forever and ever was worshipped, not Jesus, though he was present.
Who did Jesus worship when he went to Temple on Shabbat? He worshipped the Lord God Almighty, not himself.
The New Testament clearly states he isn't God. We've been deceived.
@@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711 You are insane honey. If Yeshua is not God, equal to the Father, at least He is God based on the fact He created the universe. So from your perspective as the created.. He is God the Creator. Also Rev. 5:13 declares all things in heaven worshiped the Lamb that was slain. Additionally Isaiah 9:6 says the child that is given to us is The Mighty God, and the everlasting Father. If you insist on being wrong, that is your choice.
To me it's clear from the Bible that Jesus is not God, I'm so annoyed that most Christians say He is God and laugh at me when I say otherwise. Most Christians believe a lie and Muslims use this against us.
Yep, I do think our witness to muslims would be greatly increased without the Trinity.
the debate continual .... let look what the bible say ... just in john alone we see that in john 1:1 the word was god and in john 1:14 the word was made flesh ... in john 1:18 no one has ever seen god ... but in john 17:3 jesus who was god declare that the father is the one true god ... and in john 20:17 jesus tell us that the father is his god and our god ... what is john saying in the book of john ... that jesus is god in the old testament that has a god ... then who is god ... in the book of matthew in mathew 1:18 say that jesus is the child of the holy ghost ... making the holy ghost the father ... paul call him the image of god and jesus said in revelation that he was the beginning of god creation .. if we put everything together the let us make man in our image is correct ... jesus and the holy ghost as 1 in the book of genesis ... the light that the holy spirit created in day one was jesus ... something to think about .. it is the only thing that fit together ... jesus the god of the old testament that has a god ... who did abraham saw ... the lord jesus who is representing god and became a man when god sent him ... and live and die and was resurrected by the holy spirit asa man ... and had a god after the reurrected
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There’s so much to pick apart here but I just don’t have the time and this channel adequately covers all of it. You need to be familiar with interpreter’s bias. If you look at John 1:1 in the *original Greek manuscripts* you will see that the term used for Jesus is not “God” but “a god” which can also be translated as “divine.” The language and grammar used is different to where it refers to him vs. with God. Look it up, there’s plenty of scholastic material that shows that the KJV rendering is inaccurate. Jesus is never referred to as Almighty God.
Also, how on earth can the Holy Spirit be the Father? By your theological tradition, the church says that the Holy Spirit and the Father are explicitly NOT the same person but are supposedly coequal and coeternal.
@@chronic_daydreamer i did not say that the father and the holy spirit are NOT the same ... i said they ARE the same ...read matthew 1:18 ... i don't need this theological wisdom of men ... i need god wisdom .... all you do is fight with each other for pride of who is right or wrong ... like if that going to get you to heaven ... tell us smart man what is the foundation of the bible?... what is it purpose? ... what is the light in day one of creation? ... even if you have all the answer can that say you? ... we know that god decide who save us ... but who will he pick ... the righteous or the sinner? ... if the sinner don't turn from his way then he will not be save ... and if the righteous turn from his ways then he be judge as the sinner ... what good s the grace of god if you going to throw it away? ... you worry to much about theology than what jesus was trying to teach ... but if you like to know god and jesus then first look for the kingdom of god then ask god who they are
One of the ways latreuō is rendered is by means of prayer (Luke 2:37). Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer means He receives latreuō.
This proves Jesus is God because latreuō is properly due unto God "alone" (Matthew 4:10).
Yes. People worshipping Jesus is proof of his deity. He has received worship before and during his incarnation. He has received worship after his death and resurrection
1 Chronicles 29:20
Then David said to the whole assembly, “Blessed be the LORD your God.” So the whole assembly blessed the LORD, the God of their fathers. They bowed down and paid homage to the LORD and to the king (BSB).
And David said to all the congregation, Now bless the LORD your God. And all the congregation blessed the LORD God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped the LORD, and the king (KJV).
And David said to all the assembly, Now bless Jehovah your God. And all the assembly blessed Jehovah, the God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped Jehovah, and the king (ASV).
@@LoveAndLiberty02David was not worshiped. Only God was worshiped.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 I will believe the scriptures above that say he was, not you.
@@LoveAndLiberty02Then you are confused because the author of both books of Chronicles uses the same construction elsewhere which demonstrates that only God is rendered worship.
2 Chronicles 31:8
When Hezekiah and the rulers came and saw the heaps, they blessed the LORD and His people Israel.
Blessing the Lord means offering Him worship, but that doesn't mean Hezekiah and the rulers rendered worship unto the people of Israel.
2 Chronicles 35:3
He also said to the Levites who taught all Israel and who were holy to the LORD, Put the holy ark in the house which Solomon the son of David king of Israel built; it will be a burden on your shoulders no longer. Now serve the LORD and His people Israel.
To serve the Lord involves worshiping the Lord, but serving people doesn't refer to worshiping people in this passage.
@kardiognostesministries8150
Ellicott: And the king.-As God’s earthly representative, David receives the same tokens of reverence and homage.
Benson: And worshipped the Lord, and the king - The Lord with religious, and the king with civil worship.
Barnes: Worshipped the Lord, and the king - The same outward signs of reverence were accorded by the customs of the Jews (as of the Oriental nations generally) to God and to their monarchs.
Etc.,etc.
Worship alone doesn't prove that your God because as the bible makes clear other things except God was worshipped. Hence to show that he was the true God worthy of worship, he had to do something which God could only do. Hence why his raised himself from the dead to show that he was indeed the truth and the life which is made clear throughout the gospels. Your reasoning is for rejecting Jesus divinity isn't complete and your stance is not Biblical.
I appreciate your comment, however, Jesus did not raise himself from the dead, God did. This is the consistent witness of the New Testament:
Acts 2:32 God raised this Jesus
Acts 3:15 God raised up the Prince of life
Acts 3:26 God raised up his Son
Acts 4:10 God raised him from the dead
Acts 5:30 God of our fathers raised him up
Acts 10:40 To this God raised the third day
Acts 13:30 God raised him from the dead.
Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this promise.. to resurrect Jesus
Acts 13:34 He (God) raised him from the dead
Acts 13:37 God raised Jesus
Acts 17:31 God raised him from the dead.
Romans 4:24 He who raised Jesus from the dead
Romans 6:4 Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father
Romans 8:11 He (God) who raised Jesus from the dead
Romans 10:9 God raised him from the dead.
1 Corinthians 6:14 God raised up the Lord
1 Corinthians 15:15 God raised Christ
2 Corinthians 4:14 The (God) who raised the Lord
Galatians 1:1 God the Father who raised him up
Ephesians 1:19, 20 because of the mighty power of the Father when He (God) raised the Christ from the dead
Colossians 2:12 God who raised him from the dead
1 Thessalonians 1:10 to whom He (God) raised from the dead, that is, Jesus
Hebrews 13:20 The God of peace raised up our Lord Jesus from the dead
1 Peter 1:21 God raised him
@@biblicalunitarian these passages actually support the trinity. The passages are referring to nature of God. It’s making it clear that the power of God raised Jesus from the dead. However Jesus makes it clear that he has that power. “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.”John 5:19Thus Jesus is claiming to have the same capabilities of the father who is God.The Jews understood this and stoned him because thought Jesus was blaspheming. So if Jesus is claiming to have the same power the father has. Then Unitarianism isn’t being preached in the bible. Son is claiming to be God like the Father. So if Unitarianism is preached explain why the Jesus is claiming to be God as well as the father, is Unitarian.
Danıel 12:1,2 jesus is a angel
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
Daniel 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
The _Revelation_ of Jesus Christ is completely lost on Trinitarians and -Biblical- Unitarians alike.
*REVELATION 22 (KJV)*
[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne *of God AND of the Lamb* shall be in it; and *HIS servants* shall *serve (latreuo) HIM:*
[4] And they shall see *HIS face;* and *HIS name* shall be in their foreheads.
"God and the Lamb" are not referred to as "THEM". "God and the Lamb" are referred to with the *singular personal pronoun* "HIM". And that's because "God and the Lamb" are the *selfsame **_unipersonal_** Spirit,* whose name is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
-- "God" = the ROOT of David = JESUS
-- "the Lamb" = the OFFSPRING of David (i.e., the ROOT of David "manifest in the flesh") = JESUS
*REVELATION 22:16 (KJV)*
*I JESUS* have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. *I am the root AND the offspring of David,* and the bright and morning star.
-- JESUS is _both_ the root of David _and_ the offspring of David.
-- JESUS is _both_ the invisible God _and_ the invisible God's visible image, the Lamb.
-- JESUS is _both_ the one true God - God the Father - _and_ God the Father's genuinely human manifestation, the only begotten Son of God.
And HIS servants shall serve (latreuo) *HIM.*
_RE--VE--LA--TION._
Dude, how can someone be the root and offspring of a lineage, that's a contradiction.
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It's not a contradiction. It's an _impossibility._ For anyone but the Lord God *omnipotent.*
Jesus is the first and the last