Submersible Shallow Well Pump Install. To be Run by Generator for Camper Hook up.
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In this video I installed a Shallow Submersible Well Pump to be used for a camper & run off of a generator.
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Pro top: Never cutt towards yourself, always cutt towards a buddy!
When using stranded wire under a screw put a left hand twist in it to prevent the wire from being untwisted.
I have installed thousands of these systems in the 90's and injectors, chemical dispensers, iron filters, water softeners, UV filters and a ton of other systems!
4:42: one thing you don't comment about the rubber tape... stretch it a bit, and it self-sticks and helps seal better to keep out moisture. I used it for sealing connectors up a tower, but as rubber tape is UV sensitive... needed to cover it with electrical.
Did your dad teach you how to teach people? You are one hell of a good teacher. They cant pay teachers 100's of k that are as good as you. Damn.
My dad taught me everything I know. But TH-cam is what made me realize how good I was at teaching. I teach In the same way I am able to learn (having Adhd) seems like most can connect better with my methods of teaching. Plus I enjoy it. I treat the camera as if I was training an employee
I believe this will end up more of a question than a comment. I have somewhat of a unique situation compared to most of your well/shallow well videos I have watched. And thank you very much for putting out such practical DIY (some/most) videos, I know some situations require professional help.
My situation is this, I live on a small river lake in South Central Texas. I have an above ground 3/4hp pump running our 9 zone yard irrigation system that was professionally designed and install by me and a couple friends over 30 yrs ago and has run flawlessly for 30+ yrs. But for that last 6 months or so my above ground pump started leaking at a gasket in the pump. I was given a used operating (Goulds 10EJ15412) 1&1/2hp submersible pump that was replaced in a deep well where my son-in-las worked that I now want to replace the above ground pump with. It will sit about 4-5' below the lake water surface level to prevent sucking any air when boat waves come by and pump up through pump shed and pressure tank then uphill about 25' rise at a 45 degree angle 200' up the length of our yard feeding the 9 zones and 4 sporadic faucets. It is not an option to change any of the 1 1/2" piping, some of it goes through concrete seawall.
Since the 1 1/2hp submersible pump has what looks like a 1" or 1 1/4" threaded output,
- will I loose much pressure and/or volume plumbing this pump to an irrigation system that has all main lines are 1 1/2"? Right now the above ground pump will easily run 1 zone and 4 hoses with sprinklers watering the edges and areas the irrigation system do not get. At the zones the pvc drops to 1" and then to 3/4" and finally 1/2" usually at the last sprinkler head. Basically leaving the pump at it's 1" or 1 1/4" output then immediately transitioning back up to 1&1/2" prior to the pressure tank and cutoff switch (which will be located in the pump shed).
- there is an external foot valve on the pump I was given, do I need an external foot valve for this type application where I will be able to easily pull/service the pump at any time? I saw on one of your videos you recommend this but I believe you said only on a deep well installation.
- I am hoping my application will allow the pump to run constantly while the irrigation and/or faucets are running and not cycle the pump on and off, any ideas? Are those cutoff switches adjustable to keep the pump running when needed?
Thanks for taking the time to put out your videos, I have found them packed full of knowledge and very useful.
Paul in Texas
This video was super helpful for me. Thank you!
Great video, most good techs are not afraid of giving out expert instructions because they sell their craftsmanship and most importantly the customer trusts them. Any tech who can explain what they’re doing they’ll usually get my business and I will not look for someone else.
At 9:35 can see the house that`s a fixer upper ,but it`s home .
I really like your roller that you use to install. I've done hundreds of these and that one tool would have made life a lot easier
A topic I never hear you mention is the size of the storage tank. In instances where there is space and the well produces enough water, I understand it is better to use a larger tank versus the small blue and white tanks. From what I read, the benefit is less startup on the pump. That means less stress on the pump (longer life), and less instances of needing startup current.
Thank you for the time you put into these videos. It is amazing to me how many people use pump pliers backwards... This guy uses them properly everytime. 😀
Great video. Would love to see some more closeups of your plumbing connections and wiring once finished. But I'm loving the channel. Lots of good stuff here. Thanks.
I enjoy the videos it's guy stuff and I like it. They are never the same always new obstacles to over come. Keep them coming cause I enjoy everyone of them.
Wow. Don’t ever come an work in Australia, Franklin would give no warranty on that installation. We need to use rubber cable and double heat shrinks.
Always a good videos from Phil, with his videos, I was able to replace all components of my deep well and now have a running well! He even replied To my question when my new install did not work, diagnosed it was a broken wire, replaced the wire and it started working.
Keep the videos coming Phil.
Thanks Mr. Williams!
Can you make another video with how to open and close the season with this kind of setup? I live Canada where pipes freeze....so I can't have any water in pipes or pressure tank ...
Greetings from New Zealand .... Totally on the Other Side of the World ...... :-) :-) :-) I just love All of your vidclip .... But Every Time I am just so dissapointed .... You go thru' the Whole Thing, but we NEVER see the result and see the WATER gushing out.... :-) :-) :-) This is in MOST of your vidclips .... The whole point of you doing ALL that Work is to give the customer water and we would Also like a taste of it too ..... :-) :-) :-) .... Best to You, Yours and All others, Cheers from ChCh, NZ
What are those yellow handled wire strippers that you use?
Enjoy your teaching us, as for myself tho i cant hear you clearly over the music.
For a situation where you want to use a generator with a well, is it worth adding some kind of a soft start circuit to cut down on the starting amps?
Great content as usual, but your background music is distracting.
excellent narration
Looks great, but since it is outdoors that wire should be run in flexible conduit.
Very thorough! Thank you.
2023 hope this channel grow more 🦾
Well done Phillip!
Good video, but I was disappointed when you got to the end and did not check out the performance using a generator you provided.
5:52 I knew you was gonna talk about zip ties
Great video, yet again! Your videos are always helpful!!
Great video! Wish i could find someone with your skill set and honesty down here in Texas.
Thanks!
Great video and content 👌
Your videos are great! Could you suggest a water depth meter?
Awesome video Great work !
Awesome
Thank You
Do you think you could run a well pump off a solar panel system
Have you guys ever used marine epoxy lined heat shrink?
I prefer that heat shrink, but you do such a damn thorough job with that tape I bet you never have an issue out of it.
I prefer epoxy heat shrink just because it looks cleaner.
Saving penni for a adapter
I looked for but missed any others asking this, but I am curious about:
A) Check Valve? I didn't see one installed. Necessary? Maybe built-in to the pump and not needed on shallow well?
B) Did you set the pump directly on the bottom of the bore? The casing was 80ft deep and I thought I saw you drop the pump to 80ft. Will sediment be a problem over time causing turbidity?
How accurate is the well tag? Specifically you state that you want to keep the pump inside the casing, the tag says the casing is at 80 feet and you indicated you were going to put the pump 'at 80 feet'. If there is any inaccuracy in your measurement (on the long side) or their measurement (on the short side) then the pump will be outside the casing. Would it not be better to set the pump at 75 feet (something close to, but not AT, the end of the casing)?
Also - I do not recall seeing you 'shock' this well before inserting the pump whereas I've seen that done in another video, was that not required for 'this' setup or was it done prior to the start of the video?
I wish you coulda tried it, it woulda be really REALLY NICE TO FIRE IT UP FOR THE FIRST TIME. ALSO YOU MUST BE IN A HOT WARM TEMPURATURE STATE, UNLIKE HERE IN SD, NEBR, COLO, KANSAS, MONTANA, ALL OF OUR SUBMURSABLES AND 80 GALLON TANKS ARE IN A 6' OR 8' TRENCH UNDERGROUND COVERED UP, IT FREEZES HERE ALL THE TIME 🥶🥶🥶🥶😳🤯😵😱🥶🥶🥶 GREAT JOB!! 😉👍
Yes it's very humid here. & only see about 25⁰ on our cold winter snaps
Thanks for the great videos. When and why are check valves installed on the down pipe sometimes?
Keeps the down pipe from emptying out, meaning you don't end up with a bunch of "air" in the line, if you end up below the vapor pressure of water.
I have worked with 230V motors in the past and know I can change the rotation direction of the motor by switching 2 of the wires. Is motor rotation a concern for well pumps?
I couldn’t help but notice you didn’t sanitize as well prior to installing the pump. When is that required?
Do you have a Franklin Aid document on 2-wire motors and generator use and effects to the Franklin BIAC switch? Its not in the AIM manual. The Franklin AID is an old monthly doc, Franklin published in the past.
Thank you for sharing these videos. I enjoy watching you work, very professional. I am wondering why you don't use any UNIONS in your piping? I have used them in many applications. When having to make any repairs, like because of broken pipes or whatever it makes disassembly easier and I don't have to cut out a lot of good pipe. For instance, if I had to change the bladder tank as you have it installed, I could disconnect at the union.
Been seeing signs for your company around crowders mountain
Doubtful.
Someone in n.c. named there company
Mike Hens.. well drillin
Very similar to our business name
He travels 4 states. We stick to va/nc & only 70mile radius
I'm curious about the white silicone looking material used to seal the wire where it enters the well. It appears oddly supple, just screams of quality, is it some 3M product?
How do you keep the line from freezing?
Ever considered using pex for the above ground sections?
Recently found your channel and did subscribe. Great content!
On one of your previous videos the subject was the PVC pump sleeve to protect the pump motor. When I replaced my shallow well submergible , about 6 months ago, I found on Franklin's site their advising using these PVC sleeves particularly on larger diameter wells to insure pump motor cooling.
I have a 85 foot 24" curbed well and it had gone through 3 pumps in 15 years, due to motor failure. I am convinced that had I installed the PVC sleeve on pump number one, I would still be using pump number one.
Was wondering why you did not include the PVC sleeve on this 10" shallow well?
Because this pump is set at 80ft. Water enters the well Below the motor, thus cold water will pass by the motor to cool it. A sleeve will help every pump.
Bur there are situations that need them more than others
you always show putting a bad of shock in the well but not this time is it because it is a shallow well
How could a guy get a hold of you as I have a few questions about my water system in my home.
I have a 400gal fresh water holding tank, that runs to a 1/2hp non submersible pump with a flotec tank. I have set everything up the way you have shown in previous videos on your channel but I'm still encountering an issue.
If I could shoot you an email that would be sweet!
Happy holidays to you and your family!
Thank you for the wonderful / educational content you put out!
Hwdracing@gmail.com
Is there any well pump that will go down a 2 inch casing a 188 feet and supply water well 360 feet 8 gallons per minute
Excellent video and really good music
I am not sure if you answered this in another video but I would love to see a simple wiring schematic/explanation for what wire goes where when you connect the three pump wires to the yellow submersible wire and then connections topside. Do different pumps (more or less horsepower) require different wire gauges? I assume you run underground feeder to the connections topside of the well? Thanks man, you are putting out great content.
A typical 2 wire pump is simple to wire. Connect the green ground wire first, & the other wire can go any which way.
A 3 wire pump is the same, except you must hook up the Yellow starter wire to the yellow in the control box. A few other install videos go over wiring ect. They are the longer videos
@@h2omechanic I find that going over the "small details" even for a avid watcher is OK. for instance wire size is dependent on pump size and distance of run!!!! even why a 2 wire pump is used, even why do you call it a 2 wire when there are three. whats the difference? for instance i used a 4 wire due to me wanting the "capacitor" in my home as that in my belief is the most common failure point.
why in this video do you not use "brass fittings"? the grey fittings "the elbow" are the cheapest weakest things in my local hardware store!!!! now if that is a different "schedule" fitting then please comment on that. thanks for you vids though I do enjoy them. I feel sorry for these guys spending what they do for so little water though. I have a flowing well and the pump puts out a stream 15 ft vertically. (red lion 12gpm, 1/2hp.)and I believe 62gpm,108 ft deep
H2O how do y’all know how much water a well will make?
Won't that freeze in the winter?
Did you replace that blue well seal plug with some type of vent?
I don't see any primer! Is this a new type of glue that doesn't require primer?
Yes.
Wish you would have shown how to wire the pressure switch
I have videos on the pressure switch on my Well Pump Q&A Playlist.
4:17 Bush hog coming up behind you
Thank you for this video. Speaks right into my situation. My off grid well produces 10gpm. I have a 23gpm submersible pump. Is there a way for the two to work together without running the water dry? Thanks in advance!
If it ran dry, it mostly like wouldn't hurt it. But yes, you could install a low pressure cut off switch.
@@h2omechanic Thank you! Much appreciated.
You can also add a ball valve in the line before the tank and switch to throttle the output of the pump. A Dole valve would also do this but costs more and isn't adjustable.
Is there a reason you use stranded wire on well pumps, and not solid core wire?
do you install well pump
Thankyou for having this channel! Ive never had to hook up a well before, but I now am in the process and I’m learning. Trying to learn from reading online and watching your videos. I just got a well drilled to hook up to my mobile home. The well is 100ft, 15 gpm, 8ft static water level. Should I be concerned that the static level is so high?
Also, (not being critical at all) just curious why you didn’t install a check valve before the pressure tank.
Is there any reason you don't use a ratcheting crimper? A ratcheting one makes sure the connectors are all a uniform compression level, to make sure a good contact is made.
Bro what is black pipe?
👍🙂
How far away from the well can the home be? When it is piped with pvc. Could it pump 200-300 feet and give adequate volume and pressure for a small house?
1" line would easily carry that distance.
I’ve got a 1/2 hp pump (240V) in a shallow well. But it can’t get more than 25psi. What should I look at first? I Would love to set it at 30/50 like the pressure switch is made for but I’ve had to decrease the pressure in the tank and reset the switch so it operates properly (proper cut on/off) but I want the higher psi. Do I need a 3/4 hp pump to get greater pressure? Something else?
If its a submersible pump it should build 60psi , unless there's a leak somewhere down the drop pipe.
Turn off the pump breaker and then see if the pressure drops to 0. That'll tell you if there's a leak
@@h2omechanic Thank you! It is submersible. I'm pretty sure it has a leak, but I'll test with your recommended method to be absolutely certain.
Is POP-off valve necessary? Mine is starting to leak can it be removed or needs to be replaced?
Not necessary at all. Only on big systems 2hp+. Remove it and plug it.
Got to well over 200 ft deep was clear now just muddy what do you think's wrong
Typically heavy rain fall will cause a well to get muddy water. (This should not happen) if yours is muddy after heavy rains, then you need to look into "Well Liners" .
Your Casing is not deep enough, or your first water vein is connected to surface water, the liner installation will block out that upper vein from mixing in muddy water with the deep water veins that are clean/clear water. I have Vids on liners.
does a bladder tank ever need sanitizing?
do you know whats a good size generator to run does well pump by chance ?
5500watt 240v generator is typically the minimum. Anything smaller can't handle the startup amps
Are sure pvc will stand the winter freezing temperature?
No it will no. Everything must be covered up or drained out by winter.
What’s your thoughts on a cycle stop valve?
Only necessary if its a Irrigation well for a sprinkler system. For residential use, it keeps the pump under full load at all times .
You may get 70psi in the home, but the pump would be under 150-170psi of load (depending on the pump size)
While it's better for the electric motor, the pump stack/impellers & bearings and seeing unnecessary abuse.
@@h2omechanic thank you for your reply it was great to get your thoughts on it
So if the well is 50m how meters of the cable and the pipe needed?
It really depends on what level the water is at in the well. But roughly 35-45 meters of pipe would be needed.
Can I put a 40/60 pressure switch on a tank that does not have a bladder
Yes.
@@h2omechanic thanks
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COST?
Did you forget the glue or is that all in one (Primer & Glue)?
It's all in one
Is it true that if you use too much pipe paste you will be tasting it in the water for a long time?
I only see that happen if the filter traps the pipe dope & all the water runs thru it. Customers need to replace the first filter after 5 days of use, then it'll be fine. Rare occurrence
Showing how you wired the switch to the receptible plug is the only reason I was here. Nothing on that.
there is no information on galvanized water tanks non bladder how to set them up and how to set up pressure in them ????????
Drain them completely dry & then turn on the pump with all exiting valves closed. This will trap air in the upper portion. Once it's full, you can then add air to the tank for a few minutes with a compressor. That should get you running better. Galvanized tanks have air bleeders if it gets too much air it should vent off. (Not to say your vent valve is faulty)
That must be one big ass generator to start up and run a 240V 1/2 h.p. submersible.
5500watt minimum to run a pump successfully
I have a 240 V, 1 1/2 h.p. submersible pump and when the power is off, I have no problem with a 8000 watts generator. At first I had a 4000 watts generator but I had to disconnect everything to use the pump.
I work at a well drilling company in ct we use steel casing pipe how come you don't steel more costly
It's basically the region your in requires steel casing. When we run into bad rock formations, we pull out the pvc & go back with metal. Just different laws in your state.
Thanks for the reply
Where can I as a consumer buy 600 feet of pipe and 600 feet of wires? I've only seen them sold in 300 foot lengths (except Menards but for some reason they won't ship to my NC address). Also what PSI rating should the pipe be at 600 feet? I saw blue 1" poly pipe rated at 250 psi. Thanks for all your great videos!
600 feet is roughly 200 meters, so the static pressure is 20 bar, i don't know how much psi that is.
But you need more than the static pressure if you want the water to still have some usable pressure when it exits the well, so I would suggest min 25 bar, if possible a little more to be on the safe side.
You can easily connect two 300 feet pipes, you can even choose pipes with different pressure ratings, the upper pipe just needs a pressure rating of min 15 bar (100 meters higher, therefore 10 bar less pressure)
@@Henning_S. In our Burgerland the formula for pipe pressure is (pipe in feet X .433) + home water pressure in PSI. So for my application if the pump was at 600 feet deep it would be (600 X .433) + 50 = 310 PSI. The thing is (and part of the reason for my original post) that the strongest poly pipe I've seen anywhere is rated for 250 PSI. I'm guessing that for such a deep application this is what people actually use and kinda hope they don't deplete the well all the way down and even if they do I think the 250 PSI pipe will hold up to 310 PSI of pressure (yes, it's pushing it beyond limits etc). I also thought about joining two pipes like you said, I'm concerned about the joint holding up but if it was a good brass fitting and really good clamps then I think it would be fine. Ideally I'd like to buy one length of pipe but I've only seen 500 ft long (too short) or 1500 ft long (too much for me).
@@tszymk77 I'm pretty sure the 250psi pipe will work, in the bottom of the well where the highest pressure is, it is always cold and therefore the plastic never gets softened by heat. The rated pressure is probably for relatively high temperature, so it doesn't fail when it gets heated by the sun or even hot water in case it is also rated for hot water.
The pressure at the joint between the two pipes is much lower than the pressure at the connection between the lower pipe and the pump, so I wouldn't worry about the connection between the two pipes. If you choose a 500 foot pipe at the pump and a 100 foot pipe at the top, the pressure at the joint is below 100psi...
@@Henning_S. Yes, very good points. Thank you for your help.
What kind of glue is that?? How long does it need to set before applying water pressure?
60 seconds.
Rain-n-Shine pvc glue
The music overlay is horrible, very distracting to what you are saying.
I am absolutely gob smacked that you guys still use LD pipe and hose clamps... I stopped using them 30 years ago as hose clamps rot and the pump falls off.... Havnt you guys heard of HDPE and compression fittings? I thought you guys in the US were advanced but damn this is out of the stone age... At least you use a decent pump and motor....
And taped Joints????? Epoxy or glued heat shrink!!!!!
Rubber Splice tape is what the power companies use for 3700volt transformer connections. If it can live through that in the ground, it can handle 240v
Hahaha cause the electric companies set power poles 1/2 the hight of the pole (setting a pump at 80’ on a 165’ well?) and the lines are fully submerged 100% of its life. Sounds like a good way to cheap out on parts and get job security. Way to go. Good thing you used poly pipe too, I’m sure the real well tech who has to replace that in 5 years is gonna be happy about that.
Depends on who's doing the job..
test your well water often . I have a koi pond and test it often . That made me think back in 2006 that I should be testing my well water also .You never know until you test . I would guess shalow wells it would be more important to test . I have farms around me horse and cow and my well is over 400 feet deep but both farms are below my property front and back . So guessing maybe at my 200 ft range on my well
Looking at the angle of the pipe exiting the well cap that pump is sat on the bottom hard that cant be good .
No check valve?