Facebook 5.3L Ep#5 :Bearing Installation and checking clearance

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  • @gordonbryan8381
    @gordonbryan8381 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    5 videos into this series and getting up to speed on Daniel's slang. "A tenth" or "two tenths" here and there comes down to a tenth or two tenths of a thousandth: down to this decimal place: .0001 or .0002.
    That Upstate drawl keeps the words coming out slowly, making it easier to understand as he explains. The cam bearing clearance portion was the first time I had heard that explanation.
    Fascinating to see he and other master machinists that can take a 4' long flexing line hone and finish a hole down to that tenth or two tenths: the blown up 454 in one of his other videos is the reference for that.
    Precision in my former profession was 1,500' down a runway that was 150' wide and 10,000' feet long.
    My pleasure to watch a professional working and teaching simultaneously. DGBryan

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ty sir!, I really appreciate you!

  • @knoxvillevolfan
    @knoxvillevolfan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love your videos. You’re so calm and knowledgeable you explain things so well, subscribed and enjoying the content. Keep it up!!!

  • @lazyhoundracing9621
    @lazyhoundracing9621 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm smarter than I was 40 minutes ago. Thank you for your time.

  • @MC-de6tf
    @MC-de6tf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The thrust would be larger to have more oil flow due to oil needed on the sides of the bearing for thrust surface lubrication. Pete would Mic the bearings all of them on thickness because sometimes bearing sets would come in mixed with over or under size bearings in the set. Thanks for the video.

  • @dariusjefferson2931
    @dariusjefferson2931 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You can learn priceless detailed
    information by watching your videos. Thanks alot sir. 💯

  • @roybrookton7938
    @roybrookton7938 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Once again a very informative and well presented video l really appreciate you sharing your knowledge lm becoming a better engine builder thanks to you,cheers Roy 👍

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Much appreciated, glad it's helping

  • @joejoesmojo32
    @joejoesmojo32 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great video. It's extremely satisfying seeing a freshly cleaned and machined LS block being mic'd and assembled. Love this stuff!

  • @bowtiekid329
    @bowtiekid329 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I will mark the cam bearing hole position on the edge of the bearing facing towards me, with a black marker, and also the block cam housing hole location just to help me make sure that I'm real close to centering the cam bearing in the bore hole. It's more critical on a SBC Gen 1 which I put @ 4 o'clock for better oiling.. Really enjoy your videos! They are very informative!

  • @kuyaearly143
    @kuyaearly143 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The cam bearing with two holes always goes in the front , number 1 💪🏻😎👍🏻 great info

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      All 5 have 2 holes, and each bearing has a location

  • @AGuysGarage
    @AGuysGarage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just found you. I just want to say thank you for the details and information. Not a lot of folk doing that on TH-cam. I am a knowledge freak. I enjoy knowing every single detail about what i am working on. You know what they say. The more you know, the more you realize what you don't know. ; P IMO that is when you know you are learning, when you finally know enough to realize the vast amounts of information you don't know. Thank you for making me smarter. Have a good one.

  • @stacy6014
    @stacy6014 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I bet that phone call was someone asking about a flat tappet cam😊
    This is a great series Daniel.
    Joe

  • @BigMikesGarage
    @BigMikesGarage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Who are you getting your undersize cam bearings from? I would like to keep some on hand for this situation. Thanks for all of the great info!

  • @NoClucksGiven
    @NoClucksGiven วันที่ผ่านมา

    They are stepped in sizes because they are driven in by a machine. The bearing is loaded on a mandrell and then inserted from the end. If it wasn's steeped the OD of the bearing would drag every journel on the way in. The bearing we install in the factory are actually raw and thicker than finished size. After they are pressed in, the block is dropped into a line bore that cuts and hones them to finished size.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      There loaded from 1 side?

  • @DucatiMan1973
    @DucatiMan1973 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This series is great!!! I’m doing my first ever rebuild and it’s a gen 3 LS. Super helpful information. Subscribed!!

  • @strokermaverick
    @strokermaverick ปีที่แล้ว +1

    38:12 Engine builders and engine assemblers, are two different things. Sir, you know your LS engines! Always, nice to learn something! Keep posting, I'll keep watching! That's, gonna be one sweet running engine, when you're done!

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We know assemblers and builders are not the same, but they don't, unfortunately

  • @pwhudnall
    @pwhudnall 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I enjoy your TH-cam channel.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pwhudnall ty, we appreciate that

  • @privatedata665
    @privatedata665 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content , back in the 80's I was a Buick Tech and we replaced a ton of #1 cam bearings on 3.8 carb engines typically with a large socket & freehand with no guide . I don't recommend doing this . I do want to express cam bearing installation can be daunting the first time , just do it and take your time . Soon you will be a pro at it .

    • @timothygeiger8271
      @timothygeiger8271 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Damn, that would take one huge socket!😂😂

  • @timmer2896
    @timmer2896 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My wife just said to me , I don’t get it , I heard you puttin in cam bearings tonite ( our shop is attached to the house ). , and then you come in here and watch some guy on TH-cam put in cam bearings .. hahaha , well honey I just can’t get enough engine stuff .
    I do warranty work for local dealerships and when the LS first came out in the SUV with the aluminum block and the thin bearings you were talkin about , they would spin in position 3 and 4 , the replacements were the wide ones . We could only replace the ones that spun , if the housing bore was too big , replace the block , all others jamm them in and take a chance . Hahaha good ‘ol warranty work ….. love yer vids

  • @jdsharp1366
    @jdsharp1366 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When I was doing automotive machine work I had a discussion with the owner about installing cam bearings and he agreed even after many decades of doing the work, I found it much easier and safer to the babbit material when it comes to installing cam bearings. If you stand the engine up but have it on a stand that's only a foot off the ground, we made one it wasn't building a rocket, you are using gravity as your friend when driving bearings in and it definitely helps with keeping centering cone in place instead of holding bar while simultaneously pushing cone into cam bearing bore, with every strike it's a pain in the butt, and you're fully aware that the slightest ding, dent, scratch or whatever to the babbit material will cause high spots around the damage causing a hot spot, and I personally didn't like scraping off a ding and reinstalling and removal and over because that can cause more damage, then installing cam with rear cam plug installed is safer on bearings too because once again gravity is your friend when installing cam from a vertical position in one motion down through cam tunnel til it comes in contact with rear plug, then I used a bolt and a piece of small flat stock as a stop to keep cam in cam tunnel. I hope that my unrequested advice may help you.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, good suggestions

    • @jdsharp1366
      @jdsharp1366 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powellmachineinc I forgot to mention that we glued a square piece of rubber about 1/4 of an inch thick on top of stand because block would bounce a little when rod was struck and I had to part off a bit of the rod in a lathe and drill and retap hole because I'm a bit short and it was too long anyway.

  • @VinceT2940
    @VinceT2940 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good tip on the cam bearing clearance!

  • @BigFun4Life
    @BigFun4Life 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you prefer the king bearings for most LS builds..Na and low boost set ups..Thanks for sharing your knowledge…

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mostly we use king brand, which Series depends on application, Si for stock crank, xp for steel cranks

    • @BigFun4Life
      @BigFun4Life 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powellmachineinc thanks for responding…I appreciate all your videos…Thanks again…!

  • @Go69
    @Go69 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I will drive in 3, 4, 5 cam bearing from the front, and 1, & 2, from the rear. I also lubricate the entire OD of the new bearing, and the bearing bore, before driving in new bearings. I hear a lot of people say to put them in dry, but even in this video he is spraying them with silicone. I prefer to have them completely dripping with assembly lube. In regards to the 2nd hole in the bearing-I always install all of my bearings with that 2nd (non-used) hole to be at the 12 O' Clock position. You figure the cam is being pressed down towards 6 O' Clock by the valve springs through the rockers and lifters so you do not want that extra hole to be where the load from the cam is being exerted. If you find cam bearing clearance is excessive-depending on how far out you are you can have the bearings coated to bring the tolerance in spec. If it's out .004" like his 1 and 5 are... I would start with another set of bearings and replace just 1 and 5 and test again.
    Also, on the main bearings, and rod bearings... I have found that on a non-turned crank (factory specs) and using standard bearings, that the measurements are usually on the large side as far as clearance is concerned. Why it works out this way, I don't know... but I can mic the crank @ 2.559, then put standard replacement bearings into the mains and my clearance will fall somewhere in the .0034" range... I *almost* always have to go to .001" undersize bearings on both rods and mains to get correct clearances. Is this because the after market bearings are being machined under size? I don't know why, but this is very common, and why when you call around asking for .001" undersize rods and mains almost no one has them in stock because they are used MORE OFTEN than standard size bearings. For those of you who are NOT checking your bearing clearances and just putting standard size bearings in on a "standard" crank.. Don't be surprised when you don't have good oil pressure. Using the .001" undersize bearings you will usually see somewhere between .002 and .0025" clearance. With those clearances, 10W-30 engine oil, my motors usually hold 40+ at a hot idle with the 10295 Melling oil pump (no spring mods), and will jump up to just under 60 PSI at cruise RPM (1200-1600 rpm). The only way to get tighter clearances would be to turn the crank 10/10 and then hope that your machinist hits the mark because there are no +/- .001" bearings available once you are 10/10 or more under size. Great video as it emphasizes the necessity to NEVER trust new bearings.. You MUST check every bearing clearance, on every journal, every time. At least I do.. if ever I skip one-that's the one that winds up biting me in the rear.. as I learned the hard way in my youth. I'm not as fast as I was back then, but I have far fewer problems these days. The quality goes UP when the time to check every clearance increases. Sometimes you don't like what you find... as it takes work to fix it.. but to not find it until the engine is in the vehicle.. will cost you significantly more time and money to fix at that point.

  • @GeorgeFarahGNR
    @GeorgeFarahGNR ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great info, could you do a video on setting up the bore gauges/t gauge and understanding the measurements?

  • @brianb5779
    @brianb5779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always wondered if putting the cam bearings in the freezer for awhile would aid in installation.

  • @kq2799
    @kq2799 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Definitely a master craftsman in your trade...

  • @pwhudnall
    @pwhudnall 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hi Mr Powell, can you put cam bearings in nitrogen so they go in easier.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@pwhudnall probably, but never tried it

  • @marks2254
    @marks2254 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for the great info. When I was in automotive school in the 1970s, we were taught to check rod and main bearing clearances with plastic gage. What is your opinion of that stuff?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We don't use it, it's not very accurate

    • @marks2254
      @marks2254 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powellmachineinc thanks for the reply. Love your channel!!!

  • @pipcop
    @pipcop ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learned something about keeping the cam bearing out of the way of the lifter, thanks for making that point. Watching you install the crank bearings, I have to ask if installing them without lube on the back side is your standard procedure ? If it is, then you and I are in the same club.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Never put anything on tje back of a main or rod bearing

  • @DELTRANIO99
    @DELTRANIO99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Informational vid ! Now you got me worried about the cam bearings ,,I got a LQ9 with 116k on it and just want to re-bearing everything ,But now Im worried about the cam bearings if its going to have more clearance ,, Are the standard cam bearings not within spec with my stock camshaft ?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The factory installed semi finished cam bearings and bored them in place, that's why aftermarket bearings sometimes have clearance or alignment issues, we have some undersize bearings to help with clearance issues

    • @DELTRANIO99
      @DELTRANIO99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powellmachineinc Thanks for the reply back I appreciate it ,,The reason why I wanted to re bearing it I bought a Escalade with 116K with a blown head gasket and had water in the oil ,,So I replaced the head gasket and the oil ,,At cold start up the oil pressure reads 40 PSI ,,,At hot idle it reads 32 PSI it does go up to 60 PSI at 6000 RPMS ,,The reason I want to re bearing it in case the bearing got damaged BTW engine is quiet and dont even make a piston slap at cold start up

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DELTRANIO99 I wouldn't touch it

    • @DELTRANIO99
      @DELTRANIO99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powellmachineinc Lol Everyone says the same thing ,,So think you the cam bearings be ok then ? Thanks again taking the time to reply

    • @DELTRANIO99
      @DELTRANIO99 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@powellmachineinc Hi sorry to be a pain ,,I changed my oil the other day and seen a couple a little copper specks something I should be concerned about ? Motor runs great ne noises

  • @patrickgreen9747
    @patrickgreen9747 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge…!!
    Quick question: maybe I missed it, but how did you fix the cam bearing clearance issue..??
    I’m old, but noob. Just learning.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Undersized cam bearings

    • @patrickgreen9747
      @patrickgreen9747 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@powellmachineinc again I’m a noob….could you measure them before install??
      Guessing you just knock the ones you put in out and replace..??

  • @nathandevine552
    @nathandevine552 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What are your thoughts on oiling the back side of the bearings I was told Porsche recommended it to help conduct heat away from the bearings but in school I was told the opposite

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Never

    • @nathandevine552
      @nathandevine552 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@powellmachineinc thank you for taking the time to answer my question

  • @rogersibilsky3786
    @rogersibilsky3786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative as always. Kudos to Andrew for the video artistry.
    Are the coated bearings worth the price?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We use them in performance stuff either higher spring pressures

  • @drflowsporting843
    @drflowsporting843 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0.001 X inch of journal size
    2.559 LS mains
    0.0025 for bearing clearance
    Always works

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว

      Just a "rule of thumb " oil viscosity, block material, application, ect are how we determine what clearance we use

    • @drflowsporting843
      @drflowsporting843 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@powellmachineinc
      Yessir, important rules apply different for each engine. A lot of "rebuilt" engines I've tore down were so tight on mains you could barely turn the crank. And people wonder why some are faster than others.

  • @Anthony-nw5zv
    @Anthony-nw5zv ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome, thanks for sharing 😊

  • @luctessier2215
    @luctessier2215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative as always, any tips or hints on how remove and readjust in case you bugger one up? I know don't bugger it up, but ya never know lol.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว

      If we hurt a bearing we just knock it out, grab another and reinstall.

  • @michaeledge8905
    @michaeledge8905 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do those cam bearings fit other applications? If so maybe that's the reason for more than one hole.

  • @ruthlessronniethemechanic5639
    @ruthlessronniethemechanic5639 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just a question do you pin the cam bearings or use green loctite on them ive done both. Im a diesel mechanic and play with ls motors

  • @arthurrodesiler3109
    @arthurrodesiler3109 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lets re-visit solid lifter cams. I have not put a motor together in 35 years. But when I did my motors I never had a failed cam or lifter. I used Crane cams back then and GM cams and lifters. On GM cams back it the day GM had a ring below the bottom of the lifter which look liked they pressed in something in the bottom of the lifter. I still have like 5 new cams from 35 years ago. Also have a couple of new lifter boxes of 16 each lifters from crane cams and 1 set from GM. The finish on the bottom of the lifters 35 years ago did not look like the new ones today. They were much more smother 35 years ago. Seems like all these new cams and lifter must be made from a different material today. Could you put a solid roller lifter on a flat tappet cam? We use to put solid lifter on a hydraulic cam and set the lash at .020 and they ran real good. Hydraulic cam just didn't seem to work right on a BBC with 70 pounds of oil pressure. They would pump up and would not rev past 4,500 rpm sometimes. Rather than try and take the cam out we just installed solid lifters and 7,000 rpm all day long. SBC never had that problem. I figured out that the BBC pushrods running on a angle made the Hydraulic cam float. If you looked at what GM put BBC Hydraulic cam in they never went pass a 40 pound oil pump. You put a 60 or 70 pound oil pump in then you had problems with Hydraulic cams. Its sad cause to make a roller cam work today cost a lot of money to do it right.

  • @inscoredbz
    @inscoredbz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whats the purpose of the torque to yeld bolts? Why can't they just give you a torque number?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's not tty, it's torque + angle, it's more accurate clamping load.

  • @Jdw6848
    @Jdw6848 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you get torque wrenches calibrated?

  • @davesperformance88
    @davesperformance88 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's the part number on the undersized cam bearings?

  • @patrickwendling6759
    @patrickwendling6759 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you, USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸

  • @fasteddie7273
    @fasteddie7273 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    greetings, are you using the old main rod bolts to check bearing clearance?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, we will use them in the engine when 8ts finished also

  • @marvinjames2766
    @marvinjames2766 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how good you are but can you say ENGINE rather than MOTOR thank you have a good and God bless you.

    • @kevinwest3689
      @kevinwest3689 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was going give you crap, but I thought I'd tell you something you might find funny instead, my buddy's wife got him some new jeans, he Ware them to work,we did Masonry, we we got home, she said, Marvin" you got motor all over yo paints, he said I've not been working on cars, I've been at work all day! 😂

  • @TopKnotchGarage
    @TopKnotchGarage หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is .0025-.0030 good main clearance for an Aluminum LS?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TopKnotchGarage we stay .0025 max

  • @engineheader
    @engineheader 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    isn't there a way to calculate what bearing you need by measuring the main or rod bore and measuring the journal diameter with using the oil clearance you want? anyone know what that calculation would be?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately there are just to many variables to do it like that

  • @misterhipster9509
    @misterhipster9509 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How far that alloy block open the mains in service?

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  ปีที่แล้ว

      We don't "know " we can assume probably. 0005" or so

  • @misterhipster9509
    @misterhipster9509 ปีที่แล้ว

    I spin around for one and two.

  • @v8packard
    @v8packard ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surprised you run that much clearance on the mains with aluminum blocks. I usually do .0015 main clearance on these aluminum blocks, and .0018 on the thrust if I can.
    On the cam bearings, sometimes I turn down the OD of a larger bearing to fit the bore if it's too large. When the bearing bore is too small I might open up the bore, or turn down a bearing to fit. Cam bearings are deceptively complex, many people don't realize how important it is to get them right.
    BTW, I made a madrel to hold these cam bearings that let's me turn them down on the crank grinder, or a tool and cutter grinder. Works nicely.

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was surprised when I went to your channel and you have zero videos. Yet you feel qualified (and the need) to try to correct a legit expert.

    • @v8packard
      @v8packard 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eriklarson9137 What makes you qualified to make assumptions about me, and my conversation with Daniel? Do you actually have something useful to add?

  • @jims2286
    @jims2286 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The owners of this engine needs to sue the engine builders. You never weld the heavy metal for balancing who ever balanced the crank did not now what they were doing you always press in the heavy metal for crank balancing horizontal in the counter weights

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yep, radial installation is a disaster waiting to happen

  • @nickjones5582
    @nickjones5582 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The side bolts missing for the mains going to change that main bearing clearance measurement. Great video otherwise.

  • @gregsmith9457
    @gregsmith9457 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍👍